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Nuclear Officers Napped With Blast Door Left Open

Lasrick writes "AP's Robert Burns reports that 'Air Force officers entrusted with the launch keys to long-range nuclear missiles have been caught twice this year leaving open a blast door that is intended to help prevent a terrorist or other intruder from entering their underground command post.' Why is that signifcant? At least one of the officers was napping at the time. Airforce officials said other violations like this have undoubtedly occurred and gone undetected. Yeesh. 'The blast door violations are another sign of trouble in the handling of the nation's nuclear arsenal. The AP has discovered a series of problems within the ICBM force, including a failed safety inspection, the temporary sidelining of launch officers deemed unfit for duty and the abrupt firing last week of the two-star general in charge. The problems, including low morale, underscore the challenges of keeping safe such a deadly force that is constantly on alert but is unlikely ever to be used.'"

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  1. In their defense by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

    It gets hot in there, and Johnson is always farting.

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    1. Re:In their defense by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Close the blast doors! Close the blast doors!"

      Boring conversation, anyways...

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    2. Re:In their defense by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your other choices?

      Haliburton? Blackwater?

      Oracle?

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    3. Re:In their defense by Jmc23 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You do know that this shady government entity is populated by your fellow countrymen right?

      I always find it funny how people complain about the ineptitude of the government when it is a reflection of the society as a whole. You don't like it, do something about it. Or, you know, act like the people in your government act and just pass the buck while complaining. See, it works out perfectly.

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    4. Re:In their defense by hawguy · · Score: 2

      Obama has castrated the military by letting in faggots. I'm surprised they slept without chastity belts on what with the fanny bandits now allowed to publicly flaunt their perverted lifestyle.

      While I hate to dissapoint you, gays were in the military long before Obama took office.

    5. Re:In their defense by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your other choices?

      Oracle?

      Microsoft:
      It will randomly decide to launch, the guidance system will crash, and even if it does get to it's destination there is no warhead because this was only a "premium" version of Weapons of Mass Destruction.... you have to purchase the "Ultimate" version to get the payload. Also, you might as well just go home, it's been exploited several times already and six other countries are currently fighting for control of it since the exploit patch isn't due out until the next patch Tuesday.

      Gentoo:
      Whenever the hell your missile finally compiles without error you have a small window of time to launch where it will get to target milliseconds faster than any other missile giving you bragging rights... Until you realize you forgot an important USE flag and have to revdep-rebuild world.

      Debian:
      Your ICBM may have been built some time in the cretaceous period, but damn if it doesn't just keep humming along rock solid and stable. If you are lucky newer missile tech can be back-ported. You could get gutsy and upgrade to testing to have the newest missile tech while still remaining as stable as your competitors "stable" releases, or you could go with missile "sid" but run the risk of pieces of your missile going missing on your daily upgrade.

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    6. Re:In their defense by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Wow. Another ignorant poster who is somehow under the impression that things have gotten *worse* since Bush left office."

      Wow. Another poster who misinterpreted somebody else's post and goes off on a political diatribe.

      "And that's in spite of a Republican-controlled House that simply refuses to vote on anything that might make Obama look good."

      And what might those things be? What, in your opinion, would make Obama look good? Let's see:

      Bailouts? (It might have been Bush's idea but it was Obama who did it.) Did that make him look good?

      Increased foreign wars, after he had vowed to decrease them immediately? Did that make him look good?

      Inflationary monetary policy? A recession we still aren't out of? Massively increased debt and deficit? Do those make him look good?

      Obamacare? Is that making him look good?

      Increased domestic surveillance, when he had vowed to decrease it, immediately? Does that make him look good?

      Increased intrusion into constitutional rights, when he had spoken out against it in his campaign? Does that make him look good?

      Hmmm. Making a serious effort to be as objective as I can, I would still have to say no, no, no, no, no, and no.

    7. Re:In their defense by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "You do know that this shady government entity is populated by your fellow countrymen right?"

      Committee members are people. A committee is not.

      Bureaucrats are people. (An especially loathsome class of people, but people nonetheless.) Bureaucracies are not.

      Politicians are people (who also often tend to be lowlifes). Politics are not.

      Of course I know that the government is made up of people (though it is not, itself, "people"). But I don't really give a damn whether it is made of people or ants or gerbils. If it's incompetent, it's incompetent. And in recent years, it has very definitely shown itself to be less than the sum of its parts.

      We know (there have been many studies) that committees generally tend to make worse decisions that individuals. We know that while people may be smart, crowds are stupid. The fact that the government is composed of people does not mean that "it", as an entity, is worthy of the same respect due people.

    8. Re:In their defense by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      I abdicate nothing. Not a single one of my representatives, at either a state or federal level, was someone *I* voted for. But just in case you still want to be unjustifiably insulting: yes, I did vote.

      As of today, they haven't been representing ME or my interests. And I'm not responsible for them being there, I voted for somebody else. So don't give me this "abdication" sh*t.

    9. Re:In their defense by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "Ah, you didn't vote them in so you have no responsibility for what they do.

      Do you see what you did there?"

      Ah, distorting my meaning.

      Do you see what you did there?

      Let's be more specific: I am not responsible for politicians who have been doing things that I have actively been opposing for all of my adult life.

      Is that clear enough for you? Or are you going to continue to try to play armchair psychologist?

  2. Is anybody surprised? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey there troops, listen up! It's your job to sit in this drab, overbuilt concrete coffin, sitting on your lazy asses like the cold war relics you are, until such a time as you are instructed to commit the greatest mass slaughter in human history. Any questions?

    1. Re: Is anybody surprised? by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shall we play a game???

    2. Re:Is anybody surprised? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Funny

      More like

      while true
      do
                      sleep 300
                      if false; then
                                      for i in $SILO; do
                                                  launch $i
                                      done
                      # XXX: Add case to check blast doors
                      fi
      done

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    3. Re:Is anybody surprised? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Maybe we should have an AI in charge of the nukes?

      Back at base, bugs in the software
      Flash the message
      "Something's out there"
      /
      Panic bells, it's red alert
      There's something here
      From somewhere else
      The war machine springs to life
      Opens up one eager eye
      Focusing it on the sky


      if(false)

      Signed-off-by: me

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    4. Re:Is anybody surprised? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Or just use an optimizing compiler that will eliminate the dead code. ;-)

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    5. Re:Is anybody surprised? by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hey there troops, listen up! It's your job to sit in this drab, overbuilt concrete coffin, sitting on your lazy asses like the cold war relics you are, until such a time as you are instructed to commit the greatest mass slaughter in human history. Any questions?

      I do have a suggested alternative.... Have at least 5 or 6 command post stations; with at least 10 different pairs of watchpeople holding the launch keys.

      In the event, that a launch condition is signalled -- a random command post, or a plurality of command posts; is selected to be the command post whose launch keys will activate the launch.

      That way..... when the command posts are ordered to turn their keys Nobody at the command posts actually know which key turns will be the final approval for the launch to commence; hence, they will all have plausible deniability.

      (2) If terrorists compromise one of the command posts; it will be unlikely that just happens to be the right post that was chosen to signal final approval.

      (3) if only one or two command posts turns their keys, then the launch is aborted

      (4) the command posts have security cameras monitoring each other; not in such a way as the other command posts can determine if another one has actually turned the keys, BUT in a manner, that a command post can see if another is under duress.

      (5) An alternate key, and an alternate keyhole is provided for operators to use, in case under duress; a key that "prohibits" launch and neutralizes that post's abilty to approve ----- instead of approving launch.

  3. The worst job on earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You'd think about the obvious reasons for nuclear disarmament, but nobody ever spares a thought for the poor sods who have to sit there watching these doomsday devices: if they ever get used it's the end of the world, if they're ever attacked it will be with overwhelming force, and they are expected to be running their AAA-game 24/7/365, no holidays, no vacations.

    (Interesting thought experiment: replace "nuclear weapons officer" with "megabank sysadmin")

    1. Re:The worst job on earth by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Arguably, US morale is the lowest it has been since the US Civil War:

      Anything is arguable. The post Vietnam War period was worse. You also had in addition your list, widespread drug use and widespread lack of discipline.

      Morale is extremely low. If this wasn't the case, there wouldn't be any Snowdens or Assanges.

      Neither had anything to do with the US military.

  4. Strange... by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you planned to take a nap on the job - Why the hell wouldn't you close the door? It at least makes getting caught a bit less likely.

    1. Re:Strange... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative
      RTA, they spend a long time (days?) down there and it is permissible for one to sleep while the other stands watch. But in this case they are supposed to lock the vault door:

      The written Air Force instructions on ICBM safety, last updated in June 1996, says, "One crewmember at a time may sleep on duty, but both must be awake and capable of detecting an unauthorized act if ... the Launch Control Center blast door is open" or if someone other than the crew is present.

      The blast door is not the first line of defense. An intruder intent on taking control of a missile command post would face many layers of security before encountering the blast door, which â" when closed â" is secured by 12 hydraulically operated steel pins. The door is at the base of an elevator shaft. Entry to that elevator is controlled from an above-ground building. ICBM fields are monitored with security cameras and patrolled regularly by armed Air Force guards.

    2. Re:Strange... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe it was an unplanned nap? I like the spontaneous ones best.

      LOL ... sounds familiar I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.

      I actually know a couple of narcoleptics who can't drive any more for precisely this reason.

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  5. Recent firings of general & admiral by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    Maybe this is a clue as to some of the reasons a couple of high ranking officers have been fired in that command recently. Figures.

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  6. Open Door Policy by hduff · · Score: 5, Funny

    No longer in effect.

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  7. Why hold them to higher standard? by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 2

    I would nap and probably do a bunch of much worse stuff too if I were them. My other buddies from the academy are stationed in tropical paradises picking up the locals when they go on leave, General Sleeps with His Biographer is getting some, and here I am stuck in America's asscrack buried deep in a bunker with another guy who won't shut up and keeps eating my lunch out of the fridge.

    Seriously do these guys get hardship pay or anything? Is it a rotational program where they get to go somewhere better after they do their time in the bunker? Or is this really just the worst assignment in the Air Force?

    Anecdotally by buddy's father who is in the Air Force Reserve was deployed somewhere in the Arabian Sea doing logistical support for the operations over there. He said it was the best vacation he ever went on. He loaded and unloaded planes, planes that sometimes came frequently and sometimes did not. When he wasn't loading and unloading planes he was playing golf, hitting the beach, or hanging out with his fellow airmen. I would be pretty envious if I were stuck in a bunker in Idaho.

    1. Re:Why hold them to higher standard? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, it's a sucky job. Often it gets assign to former pilot, and no one wants to do it.
      F.E.* Warren Air Force base is horrid, it's in a horrid place, and threes things happen when someone goes there:
      1) The retire
      2) The put 100% of their effort to getting a new station
      3) They just give up to get discharged.

      I was their for 18 months. During that time promotions were frozen(Thanks Reagan!) We were at 30% staffing. Meaning I spent many weeks work 72 to 100 houre, straight. as in No sleep, or at best an hour a night Plus I was told no one in my classification would every get transferred out because that don't see staffing getting put back up to 100%
      Plus, for some reason, they thought I was talking drugs, os about every month I had to go pee in a cup. I have no idea why they would think that

        The security teams the send out to the site our horrible people who will rob you blind.

      *Fuck Everybody Warren.

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    2. Re:Why hold them to higher standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The term "Weapons of Mass Destruction" has lost most of its bite since they redefined it to make the Boston bombing sound more damaging than an average industrial accident.

    3. Re:Why hold them to higher standard? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Incorrect.
      Most officers didn't choose to do that, they were assigned when there was an issue in their previous duties. Like screwing off and destroying a fighter.
      Or couldn't cut it in the field they chose, and took this instead of resigning.
      Sometime Some can't do their previous jobs for reason outside of their control, and there isn't a position to move to. For example Vision going bad on a pilot, but there isn't a position of their rank open. I didn't meet a single member of the crew where this was the primary choice.

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    4. Re:Why hold them to higher standard? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... basically what you're saying is, the people our government puts in charge of the most deadly, destructive arsenal ever known are, essentially, the worst of the worst and laziest of laziest?

      I wish I hadn't found that out.

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  8. I actually used to work in one. by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A) There are two blast doors.
    B) They are [REDACTED] meters below ground.
    C) There is an elevator
    D) They are their for more than a day, so they sleep.

    This isn't really much of a deal. There is nothing that can happen that they can nap through.
    Their Job is extremely boring, and their isn't a regular thing to watch. Like gauge, or pressure valves.

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    1. Re:I actually used to work in one. by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      What happens if somebody does walk past the guards into the nuclear arsenal?

      You get shot dead by the guys in the bunker, who are armed and psychologically screened not only to be able to launch nuclear weapons, but to be perfectly willing to shoot intruders first and never ask questions.

  9. Re:I can't decide... by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Except perhaps, closing the blast doors while napping."

    That's what's this all about.

    1. If you sleep, the door must be closed.
    2. If the door is closed, nobody can catch you sleeping, even if you sleep at times when you shouldn't.
    3. Ergo, always close the fucking door.

  10. Not a problem by Dega704 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's ok, though, because between the NSA spying on literally everybody, the TSA feeling us up at the airports, and the government spending millions pursuing "terrorists" such as Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, there is no way somebody is going to be able to walk through an unsecured, open door and wreak havoc; because the sheer irony itself would tear a hole in space and time.

  11. Re:I can't decide... by djdanlib · · Score: 2

    Promotion in that position? What's that look like?

    I hereby promote you to the rank of "Corporal Chair-napper over by the nukes"...

  12. Re:Nuclear Launch Detected by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about a nice game of chess?

  13. Parallels to the Night's Watch by aerivus · · Score: 2

    Ever since we built enough nuclear ICBMs to threaten mutually assured destruction, the most important military personnel have been those who diligently guard their country's nuclear weapons arsenal . As long as we possess nuclear weapons, their job performance (or lack thereof) may one day save or destroy millions or billions of lives. Like the Night's Watch in GoT, being a nuclear officer is not a glamorous job, but this work is infinitely more important to the safety of regular citizens than any other section of the armed forces or law enforcement (obviously TSA would be near the opposite end of the spectrum of usefulness). Its time we reassess our definition of heroism around the people that really make the difference in our continued survival.

  14. Does it matter? by warrax_666 · · Score: 2

    ... if all the lauch codes are zero anyway?

    (Well, alright that was some time ago, but really... this points to systemic issues, and I don't think they'll have been fixed within a few years.)

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  15. Re:I can't decide... by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a horrible, awful job. My father was in the airforce and maintained a lot of that equipment. Think of it this way, you are locked underground with 2 other guys. Everyone has a gun and have been psychologically tested to be sure that they could kill YOU immediately if ordered to, or if you hesitate in following an order. Spend 6 months with those guys and try and have meaningful interactions with them... oh right, you might have to shoot them to... so don't get too attached.

    It's basically a recipe for the worst reality show ever. My father said the second he'd show up to work on stuff the guys would begin yapping their traps non-stop. Being the first human they'd seen in months that had no designs on shooting them in the head, he was their new best friend.

    Lastly, the blast doors aren't the only doors. It's an entire facility. It just takes the blast doors a loooong time to open. So they dont close them unless they absolutely have to. Granted, his experiences were in the 60s and 70s so I'm not sure how much of it still applies. But I bet it's still pretty much the same.

  16. So... by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    How come we're not all dead? I thought (was told) there was a terrorist hiding around every corner.

    1. Re:So... by twotacocombo · · Score: 5, Funny

      How come we're not all dead? I thought (was told) there was a terrorist hiding around every corner.

      That's why missile silos are round. Duh.

  17. Submarines are better! by Bodhammer · · Score: 2

    This is why the Navy is better than the Air Force. This could never happen on a Trident!

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  18. Re:Above pay grade by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    On Slashdot 'marrying above your pay grade' usually means getting the tricked out version of a Real Doll.

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  19. Re:I can't decide... by NouberNou · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Your dad has some facts wrong there bucko (especially if he is talking about Minuteman, the facts are a bit different for Titan II). They don't sit underground for months at a time. They go on 24, and sometimes up to 72 hour alerts. So the longest they go with out seeing another person is 24 hours, which I am sure most people on Slashdot do on a weekly basis.

    It does sound like your dad is talking about Titan II, but even then its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be (still pretty shitty though) and better than MM LCCs (the Titan II facilities were much larger... but also built right next to the silo).

    Far worse were SAC B-52 crew alerts. You'd go on on ground alert for days at a time, where you had to eat/sleep/live within running/short drive distance of your bomber and couldn't really leave.

  20. Job title by clandaith · · Score: 2

    I bet the button pushers job title is "Mass Population Control Specialist" /DNRTA

  21. Re:I can't decide... by capedgirardeau · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He also has the kill your colleague if they don't follow an order thing wrong.

    All those missiles can be controlled from another launch facility, so if one of the missileers doesn't want to turn their key, control of their silos is just assumed by another launch facility and their missiles are launched anyway.

    The sidearms were for defense of the facility, not to use on fellow officers is my understanding.

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  22. Give me a break by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You'd think about the obvious reasons for nuclear disarmament, but nobody ever spares a thought for the poor sods who have to sit there watching these doomsday devices: if they ever get used it's the end of the world, if they're ever attacked it will be with overwhelming force, and they are expected to be running their AAA-game 24/7/365, no holidays, no vacations.

    Oh, I think of the 'poor sods' in the missile silos... to laugh uproariously at them and how 'hard' they work. They're on duty in the silo for 24 hours once a week or so, and when they're not on duty they work 9-5 and get weekends off. When something in the system breaks, they phone home and someone else comes out to fix it.
     
    I sat my missile fire control console six on, twelve off, mumble feet under the North Atlantic for sixty to eighty days a pop. If the system went down, it was on us to fix it. No nine to five. No weekends. No meals at home. No sunshine. And back then, the Walkman was brand new and the absolute height of personal electronics. (Not that personal electronics make up much for what you're missing.) I truly had to have my AAA game, because there were dozens of ways to die or be badly injured surrounding me 24/7 for days on end.
     
    When it comes to a hard life in the strategic weapons world, the chumps out there with the prairie dogs aren't close to having the hardest. That (dubious) 'honor' belongs to my brothers and sisters boring holes out there in the deep blue.

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