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Bill Gates: Internet Will Not Save the World

quantr points out an interview with Bill Gates in which he talks about setting priorities for making a difference in the world. Quoting: "The internet is not going to save the world, says the Microsoft co-founder, whatever Mark Zuckerberg and Silicon Valley's tech billionaires believe. But eradicating disease just might. Bill Gates describes himself as a technocrat. But he does not believe that technology will save the world. Or, to be more precise, he does not believe it can solve a tangle of entrenched and interrelated problems that afflict humanity's most vulnerable: the spread of diseases in the developing world and the poverty, lack of opportunity and despair they engender. 'I certainly love the IT thing,' he says. 'But when we want to improve lives, you've got to deal with more basic things like child survival, child nutrition.' These days, it seems that every West Coast billionaire has a vision for how technology can make the world a better place. A central part of this new consensus is that the internet is an inevitable force for social and economic improvement; that connectivity is a social good in itself. It was a view that recently led Mark Zuckerberg to outline a plan for getting the world's unconnected 5 billion people online, an effort the Facebook boss called 'one of the greatest challenges of our generation.' But asked whether giving the planet an internet connection is more important than finding a vaccination for malaria, the co-founder of Microsoft and world's second-richest man does not hide his irritation: 'As a priority? It's a joke.'"

247 comments

  1. True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    They guy is right.

    1. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They guy is right.

      They grammar is wrong

    2. Re:True by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's more complicated than that. But his perspective seems to be one applying a humanistic vision in conjunction with empiricism. The fact that it's an unusual approach to charity is what's really baffling.

    3. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to they black guys, they be speaking ebonics, so you best axe them before you say ignant and intolerant thangs about the way they language be.

      FTFY

    4. Re:True by JWSmythe · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's a very obvious capitalistic endeavor.

      Every person that dies is one less customer. You don't have to be Internet connected to be a Microsoft customer.

      Facebook, on the other hand, requires Internet connectivity. Every person that doesn't have Internet service is an untapped customer.

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    5. Re:True by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bill Gates is right. Zuckerberg's plan is a joke and the Internet isn't all that important for solving the world's problems. Unfortunately, Gates isn't helping much either, due to his fake philanthropy that often does more harm than good.

      The Gates Foundation has an endowment of $30 Billion making it the largest philanthropic organization in the world. But one third of that money is invested in companies whose practices run counter to the foundation’s supposed charitable goals and social mission.

      In Africa, the Foundation has invested more than $400 million dollars in oil companies responsible for pollution that many blame for respiratory problems and other afflictions among the local population.

      The Gates Foundation also has investments in sixty-nine of the worst polluting companies in the US and Canada.. It holds investments in pharmaceutical companies whose drugs cost far beyond what most patients around the world can afford and the Foundation often lobbies on behalf of those companies for "Intellectual Property" protections that make obtaining low cost medicines more difficult.

      Other companies in the Foundation’s portfolio have been accused of forcing thousands of people to lose their homes, supporting child labor and defrauding and neglecting patients in need of medical care.

    6. Re:True by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it's more complicated than that. But his perspective seems to be one applying a humanistic vision in conjunction with empiricism. The fact that it's an unusual approach to charity is what's really baffling.

      Baffling indeed.

      Yes, having the people educated is one thing that needs to happen. But it is one of many components.

      In order to give them Internet access they must also have power and communications systems. They must be literate or all the words are meaningless.

      If the people are dying of malnutrition then yes, additional education about farming techniques and food safety can help. If people are dying from sanitation problems then yes, additional education can help. But it is just a single thing on the long list of things that need to happen to transform a society.

      Sure they can give the rural slash-and-burn farmers an Internet-enabled computer with satellite modems and solar power chargers. It is nice to teach a farming community that for generations has practice slash-and-burn techniques that they should read about alternatives, but that by itself will not solve anything. Give them computers and Internet access and all you will have is a community who still practices the same techniques, with the change that they now can watch cat videos and play Angry Birds. The technology by itself won't transform them.

      It takes a lot of pieces working together. It is true that giving computers to children can help benefit the community as shown through "Hole in the Wall" and other experiments but that little bit of education is only one facet, there are hundreds of other facets that need to be addressed. Providing a little bit of education is useful, but does not help much against problems of rampant disease, abuse, family planning, nor does it provide the tools and technology needed to implement what is taught. Teaching the community "this is what refrigeration can do for you" doesn't help if they cannot get electricity. Teaching the community "these are health issues that chlorinated water can treat" doesn't help when the village is struggling just to get enough muddy water so everyone can subsist.

      There is much work to do. If one group wants to help by adding educational tools, that is certainly one useful thing. But Gates is right that there is a very broad spectrum of changes needed to bring regions out of poverty, and Internet access alone is not enough.

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    7. Re:True by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's a real dick thing to assume. If you're kidding, you should probably say so.

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    8. Re:True by JWSmythe · · Score: 0

      There's no room in business for humor. No good business person makes a decision without calculating their potential profit and loss (or risk/benefit, if you prefer those terms). If you don't understand it, I'd hazard to guess that you've never been involved in senior business decisions for a multimillion dollar company.

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    9. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      and just to add a little more, Bill is part of the nation-wide movement to squash open-to-all public schooling in favor of a selective, segregated, for-profit charter and private systems. That's great for the lucky kids who have parents with the money and/or contacts to get them educated but for the majority of our youth that means they're screwed. It's also a long-term plan that's guaranteed to be non-sustainable. As for Bill and Melinda's much touted health projects, it's a massive cash dump for Big Pharma and right-wing contractors like KBR who benefit from exclusive bidding laws that their own lobbyists pushed through Congress.

    10. Re:True by binarylarry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Waaaaa?

      Sounds like *you've* never been involved in senior business decisions for a multimillion dollar company.

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    11. Re: True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Number of Windows instalations is proportional to the nation's head count, eradicating major leathal diseases is therefore a top priority to any large M$FT shareholder.

    12. Re:True by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The gates foundation has one "business" goal - invest it's money and spend the profit on charitable works. If they spend the capital the charitable foundation ceases to exist. Also if you think board decisions of for-profit companies are made solely on the basis of the profit to be had, then I must assume you are projecting your own morals onto others.

      As for Gates, I'm almost exactly the same age as he is, I distinctly recall him saying on multiple occasions over the last 30yrs that he would give the bulk of his money to charity when he hit 55. Gates charity work and his efforts to get other billionaires to join him is has almost single-handedly rescued the traditional concept of US philanthropy from the "greed is good" generation.

      Thing is you don't have that kind of money, which is odd given your obsession with it?

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    13. Re:True by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Reality is Bill Gates is wrong yet again. Getting everyone connected to the internet, in point of fact, will save the world. Right now run by psychopathic capitalism we are on a path to self destruction by greed and mass consumerism, we are wasting our resources and converting that waste into pollution at an insane rate by allowing the psychopathically insane to run the system.

      The internet is giving the majority a voice and is exposing the insane minority who currently run the system for who they really are. The more independent real voices there are on the internet, sharing information globally all hooked up with auto translation services. The sooner we see that deep down we all share the same problem, that we have all allowed the most unfit amongst us to gain control of our core social structures and, the sooner it will change.

      The 1% are slowly but surely killing our world and us along with it. When the 99% have full voice on the internet globally and can share in their common values, so we will save our world and future generations. The change in the last decade has been immense, the change in the next decade will be even greater. The internet is saving the world because it give us, the majority, a shared global voice we have never had before, FACT.

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    14. Re: True by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are a lot of ugly minds today who are telling the whole world how they actually think, and then projecting it onto Bill.

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    15. Re:True by PrimeNumber · · Score: 1

      Not only that, with Zuckerberg it is business disguised as altruism. The reason he really wants people online is because he wants their eyeballs on a Facebook feed.
      Think of Gates however you want, but I personally think he deserves a huge amount of credit for doing real charity work.

    16. Re:True by akinliat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is much work to do. If one group wants to help by adding educational tools, that is certainly one useful thing. But Gates is right that there is a very broad spectrum of changes needed to bring regions out of poverty, and Internet access alone is not enough.

      And, of course, there's the aspect of all this that everyone seems to overlook -- connectivity is not education. It may make it easier to get educated if it's used in conjunction with an education program, but in and of itself the internet is a piss-poor educational tool. The sheer volume of misinformation, minutiae, gossip, and punditry dwarfs the sorts of knowledge that are actually useful, much less the subset of that knowledge that would be useful to someone in the developing world.

      Those of us who use the internet as a reference tool are used to that unreliability, and we can afford it. If the information on how to make cheese that we found on some website turns out to be wrong, then we shrug and toss the results in the garbage disposal. Folks living on the edge of subsistence don't have the luxury of experimentation.

      I was never a fan of Gates while he was running Microsoft, and I've always thought his methods were on the shady side at best, but the efforts of the Gates Foundation to tackle real problems, particularly unpopular, ignored, and solvable problems, have to be respected. Gates may have been a lousy coder and no real techie, but maybe that's a good thing.

    17. Re:True by smaddox · · Score: 1

      I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Until there is a high quality source of information for these people, the internet will not provide them what they need or want. Perhaps the solution is to let them build it, though. Provide the infrastructure, wiki style, and let them teach each other. Other experts from developed nations could provide additional input.

    18. Re:True by smaddox · · Score: 1

      To be fair, at the time he was right about encryption. Now there are other forms that do not depend on factorization, though - namely elliptic curve cryptography.

      Disclaimer: This is not my area of expertise. I would not be too surprised to find out that elliptic curve cryptography existed in 1995. I am, nonetheless, fairly confident that there were no readily available implementations for non cryptographers.

    19. Re:True by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      The point is, he said that the problem was to factor large prime numbers. Prime numbers. The factorization of every prime number is 1 and the number...

      In conclusion, Gates is a sloppy proofreader at best, and a complete idiot at worst.

    20. Re:True by bbourqu · · Score: 1

      Autocorrect?

    21. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so you best axe them

      *aks

    22. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded you up because you made a cogent argument, even though I disagree with some of it. I'd like to see someone else here jump in.

    23. Re:True by arjun.jrao · · Score: 1

      Your wrong is grammar.

    24. Re:True by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "They guy is right."

      That guy has been wrong with every prediction about the internet in the last 20 years.

    25. Re:True by Bongo · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the time this guy was in the street signing people up regular donations to a scheme which helped drug and alcohol addicts. He was really enthused, "yeah this scheme is great, it really helps people, it is really successful."

      I ask, oh ok, so let's see, a meaningful change would stick for at least two years, so do you guys follow up with people and see if they are still doing well after two years?

      "Oh people really move around a lot and you know we can't track them. But this scheme is really good, it really works, people get better."

      Ok you can't track some of them, but what about the others, do you check after two years?

      "No, but it really works, it is really effective."

      At this point his colleague gets interested and calls her manager who says, no, they don't have that data.

      So how do you know it works?

      "But it really works, it really works well."

    26. Re:True by DogDude · · Score: 1

      There's no room in business for humor. No good business person makes a decision without calculating their potential profit and loss (or risk/benefit, if you prefer those terms). If you don't understand it, I'd hazard to guess that you've never been involved in senior business decisions for a multimillion dollar company.

      Actually, that's what I do every day. You, on the other hand, have no idea what you're talking about.

      On a more related note, he's running a charity designed to give money away, you moron. There is no profit/loss decision to be made.

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    27. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yaaayyyy The first hit is free!!! So Gates would end all his private investment in Pig Pharma to avoid appearing to be just another robber baron? And those stump speeches about "Eye Pee" would stop too? PFFFFFTTTTTT!!! he should be rotting in the ground like Steve Jobs.

    28. Re:True by Caesar+Tjalbo · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Handing out vaccines isn't going to structurally improve lives and ol' Bill isn't going to get on the Free Software bandwagon. But maybe he's just trying to purchase a place in heaven.

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    29. Re:True by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      "You don't have to be Internet connected to be a Microsoft customer."

      GFL with that, Windows 8 requires an email address before it completes the install.

    30. Re:True by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      all your grammar is belong to us

    31. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not actually true.

    32. Re:True by Third+Position · · Score: 0

      I submit that Gates did more good for the world amassing his fortune then he'll ever do giving it away. Love them or hate them, Microsoft revolutionized the tech industry. What have his philanthropic efforts amounted to?

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    33. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Africa, the Foundation has invested more than $400 million dollars in oil companies responsible for pollution that many blame for respiratory problems and other afflictions among the local population.

      Improving industry and commerce is historically the most successful way to fight poverty. Conditions for the vast majority of people in industrialized societies are, on average, enormously better than was the case, say, 100 years ago, and there have been countless studies showing that poorer nations with external support for industry do far better over the long run than those without. This is basic economics. Capitalism is not necessarily a bad thing.

      However, the key is to do this without trampling on human rights or destroying the environment in the process. History shows this is difficult to do. Any large organization will have its share of sociopaths, particularly concentrated at the executive levels.

      Equally, of course, for a variety of reasons, various people will often create false or misleading propaganda, often hugely exaggerated, regarding what is actually going on. There are many special interest groups that will create blatantly false propaganda in an attempt to get themselves their "fair" share of whatever economic benefit is being created, usually to the neglect of the poor people that would otherwise be receiving the benefits of the economic development. It's all part of the corruption that is so common in the third world, essentially a huge reef on which most attempts to improve conditions founder.

    34. Re:True by ericwfrost · · Score: 0

      They guy is right.

      They grammar is wrong

      This is not what I come here to discuss, but why can't I just Like your comment. LOL

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    35. Re:True by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Trust me, I have. The lowest profit company where I made company wide business decisions was $2M/yr. The highest, over $100M/yr.

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    36. Re:True by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      No, but he's trying to put the good PR spin on things.

      How about this one to start.
      http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,2533850.story#axzz2jXU69lfS

      Basically, he does humanitarian work to the locals, but is a large stake holder in the factories that are making the locals sick. Because he's "helping" them, he's the good guy. Because he's only a large stake holder in the factory, he's not the bad guy. He brings in more money from the factory than he puts out to help the locals.

      Profit/Loss. If you bring in $100M, and you pay out $20M, and look like the good guy, you're doing it right, as it's still an $80M profit. Since you're dumping the $20M in to "help" the people, the locals won't complain.

      If he had more loss than profit, he would simply cut ties to both sides. It's not worth it.

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    37. Re:True by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Really? You have a multimillion dollar corporation in 2 boutique pet stores? Your reported annual revenue is less than $500k/yr. After expenses, you're a multi-thousand dollar enterprise.

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    38. Re:True by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. The Gates Foundation does not invest and profit very much at all, and has no reason to do so. First, it gets new money every year from Bill as he slowly liquidates all his Microsoft stock, second it owns $2 billion of Berkshire Hathaway stock donated by Warren Buffet, and third, the charter of the Gates Foundation requires it to spend every last dime it controls and shut down 50 years after Bill or Melinda's death, whichever comes last.

      Unlike many such organizations, Bill was determined that it not become a self-perpetuating monstrosity that does more for its CEO and board of directors than it does for needy people.

    39. Re:True by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      "There's no room in business for humor."

      I disagree. John Cleese explains it best:

      http://videosift.com/british/video/Why-laughing-during-something-serious-isnt-disrespectful

    40. Re:True by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      "Handing out vaccines isn't going to structurally improve lives"

      Yes it will. From both an individual health and public health perspective it is a game changer with massive improvements in people's lives.

    41. Re: True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you've become a little too obsessed with money and having the last word. There are genuine people out there trying to do as much good as they can, and not for any other purpose than to help those in need. Given you're lust for money how much of your income do you donate? I find that the better judgement of worth, mines 5-10% care to match that? If you donate more, may you receive my love every day :D

    42. Re:True by ChoosyBeggar · · Score: 1

      No no, JWSmythe. BinaryLarry was agreeing with you by suggesting that DogDude was ignorant of the motivatins of business & the true capitalistic reasoning behind their ostensibly lofty ambitions. I too must agree: Zuckerburg's mission is money, not humanitarianism. I don't mind businesslike behavior, but I resent excess, & I despise dishonesty.

    43. Re:True by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      If those people who are dying of malaria do not have protected property rights then you can shoot them up with whatever miracle cure you can conjure but it will not make a bit of difference in their miserable lives. Universally protected property rights will cure disease. Odd, but inescapably true. Bill Gates I guess takes this wonderful thing for granted--that someone has always protected his wealth for him, allowing him to concentrate on gathering more.When you can be secure in your property the wealth abounds and accumulates through society and those people con focus on other nice to have things like vaccinations. We are proof.

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    44. Re:True by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Ok, so he replied to the wrong message. That happens. :)

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  2. Bill is doing the right things by Calibax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Years ago, when I was a zoology major in university, I spent some time working on a study of elephant migration paths in Africa.

    It was an eye opening experience. I was staggered by the sheer poverty, the lack of access to safe drinking water and food, the high rates of preventable illness, and the high rate of child deaths. I remember a woman living in Uganda who made "biscuits" for children made with washed dirt simply so they could get something into their stomachs that would reduce the hunger pains and not kill them. I don't give to USA charities since then. I give all my charity dollars to people who are doing outstanding work in areas of disease and poverty.

    I have no idea what people struggling to find food would do with the internet. Would it enrich their lives? I don't see how. Would it save them from disease? Would it allow their children greater likelyhood to see their fifth birthday?

    Bill Gates has the right idea. I just wish other very rich people had as much sense and willingness to spend their money to help people.

    1. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine having a library in your village that could show you how to build water condensers, new farming techniques, basic chemistry that could improve your quality of life, really ANY piece of information you could conceive of as well as the ability to communicate remotely with other vilalges trying to overcome similar problems at the touch of your hands.

      But no, better to hand out fish then give access to fishing instructions.

      Knowledge is power.

    2. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Imagine having a library in your village that could show you how to build water condensers, new farming techniques, basic chemistry that could improve your quality of life, really ANY piece of information you could conceive of as well as the ability to communicate remotely with other vilalges trying to overcome similar problems at the touch of your hands.

      But no, better to hand out fish then give access to fishing instructions.

      Knowledge is power.

      This is the stuff right here. It is not just one or the other, both are important. Having someone parachute in and give everybody shots is one noble and great thing. Having someone drive up right behind him with a library is yet another.

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    3. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately warfare, famine, and pestilence has destroyed the infrastructure needed to do the basics. We would need a sort of developing country Wikipedia, where you can learn to use cheap garbage to create food and purify water. The knowledge would be specific, but ideally optimized for quick setup with little materials. Not sure how to stop the warfare destroying your up and coming village.

    4. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea what people struggling to find food would do with the internet.

      in zucker's view, they could update their facebook status or start a facebook group
      or ironically click Like buttons for various things

    5. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Helping the poorest of the poor is indeed good and we have managed to lift many out of extreme poverty (less than $1.25/day) but we've not made the same progress on lifting people further out of the very poor (less than $2/day). Like for example India where 33% live in extreme poverty and 69% are very poor or Pakistan where 21% live in extreme poverty but 60% is very poor. Those billions of people also need a lift so we're more to help drag the poorest billion out of poverty.

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    6. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safe drinking water and food my actually be a better place to start...

    7. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't necessarily agree with this. We don't have a shortage of medicine and food on this planet, we've got a distribution problem and a population growth problem. The internet won't solve the immediate problems, but it will enable the spread of information that's needed to help break the cycle of poverty that keeps those countries poor. The primary drivers of poverty in Africa are:

      1) They keep electing people who's main goal is to transfer as much wealth into bank accounts in Switzerland and the Caymans before they get kicked out of office and hope that they can see the revolution coming enough in advance to flee the country.
      2) People have an unsustainable number of children.
      3) Access to educational materials is limited, so people continue to ignorantly do numbers 1 and 2.

      If the Internet can help raise the level of education and shine a light on the kleptocracy that's plagued many African countries, it has the possibility of making the situation better for the people that survive. Curing disease while keeping everyone ignorant won't result in lasting change. In fact there's compelling evidence that western aid actually exacerbates poverty rather than alleviating it.

    8. Re:Bill is doing the right things by skaralic · · Score: 1, Troll

      Imagine having a library in your village that could show you how to build water condensers, new farming techniques, basic chemistry that could improve your quality of life, really ANY piece of information you could conceive of as well as the ability to communicate remotely with other vilalges trying to overcome similar problems at the touch of your hands.

      But no, better to hand out fish then give access to fishing instructions.

      Knowledge is power.

      Knowledge is power. That's bullshit. What use is knowledge when you are in no condition to put it to use. These people are not stupid.

    9. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding regarding what the real world problems are. They know *how* to build these things. The problem is GETTING THEM BUILT. The poor village in the back woods doesn't have the resources to build these things.

      Furthermore, many of the problems that people are facing have nothing to do with "building things" - it is a lack of resources (lack of food, lack of water, lack of medicine, etc). The reason these things are lacking has nothing to do with "knowledge". It has to do with access to resources, political issues, human nature, war, etc.

      Its only the silicon valley folk who take all these things for granted that do not understand where the problems really lie. Those folks who want to justify their personal wealth as being something that is making life better for others (when in fact, they are making their money off the desire of idle middle class people who want entertainment).

      As much as I felt that Mr Gates was a rather rutheless businessman, I've found myself somewhat impressed by his real world sensibilities now that he no longer feels a need to justify his existence by making money.

    10. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Imagine having a library in your village

      Imagine these people can't read. Imagine these people don't have the electricity to run a computer. Imagine these people have nobody to fix "the Internet" for them when the computer breaks. Imagine that a computer is worth quite a bit of money and will quickly disappear if not watched 24/7. Realize that giving people access to knowledge involves a lot of work on both sides.

      Also: Realize that teaching people to fish is quite worthless in a very dry country, useless knowledge is a super useless power.

    11. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was staggered by the sheer poverty, the lack of access to safe drinking water and food, the high rates of preventable illness, and the high rate of child deaths. I remember a woman living in Uganda who made "biscuits" for children made with washed dirt simply so they could get something into their stomachs that would reduce the hunger pains and not kill them.

      So what would a proper health care do to to those who can not eat?

      There are different necessities. First is the survival, and we have eat, sleep, then proper survival with the help of medicine, then a good life in a proper environment (city, village), then education, which also comes in the form of communication.

      There is no single thing that will "save the world". What good is health care without food? What good is food if you're living at chernobyl? I'm getting extreme but you see the point, I hope...

    12. Re:Bill is doing the right things by CaptainJeff · · Score: 1

      Imagine being starving and having no ability to do anything for yourself. You need the fish to get yourself at a basic level before someone teaches you to fish. You need to know the value of the fish and know that understanding how you can acquire your own fish is beneficial and will improve your life quality. You need to understand the value of water condensers, farming techniques, etc, first. Then you learn them. You need both levels.

    13. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Imagine having a library in your village that could show you how to build water condensers, new farming techniques, basic chemistry that could improve your quality of life, really ANY piece of information you could conceive of as well as the ability to communicate remotely with other vilalges trying to overcome similar problems at the touch of your hands.

      But no, better to hand out fish then give access to fishing instructions.

      Knowledge is power.

      You know, this sounds like a great idea in practice.

      In reality it is quite different. I agree with Calibax. Having seen the poverty first hand and having worked to help build a medical clinic in Kenya, as well as my Ex, who runs a charity in Tanzania.

      We got them some of these books, and some of this knowledge. They have access to a lot of it believe it or not. The problem is not that they don't know how to do it, but the same infrastructure problems that bother us in the modern world. We might "know" that building a good rail network in a city area will improve infrastructure - but politics and other factors get in the way.

      In the same way, gaining access to clean water sounds like it should make a difference, just give the people the knowledge of how to build that dam and water pipe, as well as a sand filter system, and it will all be fixed right?

      Not in my experience. People in poor countries are just like us, but with fewer "toys". They procrastinate, they like to have fun. They would love to own an ipod or iphone. They are more concerned with getting the next meal and next "fun" thing than they are with building infrastructure. When is the last time you went out and built yourself a water line by hand? They just don't see it as a priority. I know this because when we worked on one trying to bring cleaner water to the clinic, all the locals wondered why we would bother when you could just get water from the stream like they always have. And yes, they know that the stream water would make them sick, but it is rather like dealing with a smoker - they have got along just fine this far with stream or swamp water, why should they change if things are working fine? There are other things to worry about.

      So, in my experience, they have the material to teach them how to change, but are so focused on living day to day that they don't have the mental bandwidth to build infrastructure projects like you would expect. In my experience, Bill Gates approach is the right one - fix the basic needs first, then they will have the mental bandwidth to devote to projects.

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    14. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build them out of what? Using what tools?

      The other anonymous coward most likely refers to survival tricks that start out simplistic using sticks, stones and cloth.

      Using what chemicals?

      People in poor countries might have trouble building bombs from kitchen supplies alone, however there are a lot of chemical processes that where used long before the dark ages.

    15. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just reflects the future when our energy reserves run out and the Earth is over-populated.

    16. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then you'll have to figure in incentive. Sure, give them all the information you want, give them the assistance, but if they don't care, nothing will change. There is also imagination; what dreams are there in these places?

    17. Re:Bill is doing the right things by xevioso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is asinine. Do you realize the literacy rate in these countries?

      This is why a "library" is useless for these people. They have very little time to even go to school in the poorest parts of the world because they are spending their time trying to make a subsistence living. That is how our ancestors lived, and people were only able to go to school and concentrate and learn once they had food in their bellies.

      Someone parachuting in, not with a library, but with the KNOWLEDGE the library contains, and the willingness and money to build the infrastructure for them is better.

    18. Re:Bill is doing the right things by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first.

      Some rich people choose to use some of their money for charity, rather than to make more money. Deal with it.

    19. Re:Bill is doing the right things by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      But no, better to hand out fish then give access to fishing instructions.

      Maybe so. There is a very interesting article in this week's Economist Magazine that compared different methods of helping the poor. One of the most effective is "Unconditional Cash Transfers" or UCTs, that basically just hand out cash to poor families in Africa. This was surprisingly effective, because these poor families knew what they needed a lot better than the aid agencies, and there was so little overhead that nearly all the money went to the people in need rather than being eaten up by overhead and administration. There were a few limitations: the UCTs worked better when they went to women rather than men, and CCTs (Conditional Cash Transfers) that required children to attend school were found to have better long term results than UCTs. But otherwise, UCTs and CCTs were more effective than nearly any other charity scheme.

      Knowledge is power.

      Indeed. But your mistake is assuming that you have it and the poor people don't.

    20. Re:Bill is doing the right things by citizenr · · Score: 1

      Imagine being starving and having no ability to do anything for yourself.

      This is the current level of affairs in Africa, and the most popular answer to this problem is 'make babies like rabbits, because nothing solves problems better than kids with swollen abdomen and flies in their eyes'.

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    21. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is asinine. Do you realize the literacy rate in these countries?

      With attitudes like yours, it will never get any better.

    22. Re:Bill is doing the right things by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Well, anyone who has a friend or a relative with some resources could theoretically use the internet to tell faraway relatives that the kids are eating dirt and ask for any little bit of assistance that they could get.

      The way they're actually doing this is by using simple GSM phones with voice and text. Mobile phone penetration is close to 50% in Africa as a whole and growing rapidly, so most people either own a phone or are able to borrow one if they need to make an important call or send an important text message.

      It's hard to say when these people will decide to get smartphones so that Zuckerberg can gather them. In the grand scheme of things an iPhone 5S or a Galaxy Note 3 is only marginally more useful than an old GSM phone, so I guess it could take a while.

    23. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Those and micro-loans for small businesses in the third world.

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    24. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of mud cookies.

      While I'm sure that the practice comes from necessity, I believe it is a part of their culture.

      It's possible that you can get nutrients from the mud. People in the United States have vitamin deficiencies because they wash the dirt off of their vegetables.

    25. Re:Bill is doing the right things by nojayuk · · Score: 1

      What are the few people in the village able to read books in this magical library going to build the magical water condensers out of? The nearest Home Depot is five thousand miles away and they don't take IOUs. New farming techniques are a faster way to die of starvation in most situations as it takes a few years of experimental crop failures to develop something new and better than the locals hadn't discovered over the past few hundred years of famines.

    26. Re:Bill is doing the right things by sootman · · Score: 1

      > I have no idea what people struggling to find food would do
      > with the internet. Would it enrich their lives? I don't see how.
      > Would it save them from disease? Would it allow their
      > children greater likelyhood to see their fifth birthday?

      Starvation is not the ONLY problem in the world. There are plenty of people who do have food, and have other problems instead, for whom the Internet would be a great help. Technology isn't the answer to everything, but that doesn't mean it's useless. It's not an either/or.

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    27. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Pinhedd · · Score: 1

      Fishing instructions are worthless to anyone who can't read or doesn't have a fishing boat.

      Pharmaceutical information is worthless to anyone who is 1,000 kilometers away from the nearest pharmacy.

      New farming techniques are worthless to anyone that is unable to farm because all the fertile land has been seized by the local warlord.

      Knowledge is nice, but it isn't quite as powerful as you might think.

    28. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the internet is text-only

    29. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Knowledge is power.

      Which is exactly why their dictator of the week is not going to allow it.

    30. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to look up Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It will help you understand the human condition a little better.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

    31. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      That applies having the tools and the infrastructure to make use of that knowledge. If you can't store food, you can't eat, and you can't even read, and you and your children are drinking out of infested water, then certain basic needs have to be addressed before we sink funds into giving them wikipedia access.

    32. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point was the whole "teach someone to fish and they'll eat the rest of their life" idea- not necessarily a literal library with books.

      But even if they really did mean build an actual brick and mortar (or mud and thatch) building to house knowledge, libraries contain more than just the written word.

    33. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chicken, meet egg. I work with in Northern Mozambique. Low literacy is a problem, not because kids (and adults) don't want to read but because there's no books. You learn a bit at school on a chalkboard but go home and there's nothing.

      The internet is where my kids do most of their reading. After having been here five years, witnessing culture, rumor and tradition, I think the number one way to prevent disease is education. The cheapest, fastest way to teach this stuff? The internet.

    34. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's raining and your roof is leaking, the first step would be to put a bucket under the leak before calling the roofing company to minimize collateral damage.

    35. Re:Bill is doing the right things by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I thought it was comic books...

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    36. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Pav · · Score: 1

      Watch this TED talk... these kids teach themselves english, how to use a computer, how to use the Internet etc... all because they were given access to a computer literally in a hole in the wall.

    37. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Pav · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oops... I guess that'll learn me for not previewing : Watch this TED talk... these kids teach themselves english, how to use a computer, how to use the Internet etc... all because they were given access to a computer literally in a hole in the wall.

    38. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea what people struggling to find food would do with the internet. Would it enrich their lives? I don't see how. Would it save them from disease? Would it allow their children greater likelyhood to see their fifth birthday?

      Have you never watched the Food Channel instead of actually eating?

      Bill Gates has the right idea. I just wish other very rich people had as much sense and willingness to spend their money to help people.

      Bill Gates is doing what he is doing because he has to fix his reputation before he dies.

    39. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayn Rand is dead. Been dead for a while now.

    40. Re:Bill is doing the right things by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Building the infrastructure in a lot of these countries doesn't matter. If you don't value human life it is only a matter of time before some idiot decides that only his tribe should have access to water and breaks the wells. Or there is a war and the knowledgeable people all go home. Help can't equal do it for them because just like in star trek interfering with a culture before they are ready to use technology responsibly isn't a good idea. Save everyone from malaria so the shitheads can rape and kill them when they are 14 doesn't solve the problem. First get rid/neutralize the shithead element AND get the society to the point where they realize being a shithead isn't the divine of one sex/tribe/chieftain/class.

    41. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Altrag · · Score: 0

      Fishing instructions are worthless to anyone who can't read or doesn't have a fishing boat.

      I'm sure you can get instructions on the basics of boat design if you looked. Probably with pictures.

      Pharmaceutical information is worthless to anyone who is 1,000 kilometers away from the nearest pharmacy.

      Learning natural alternatives might be possible though. And learning concepts like lobbying to have a pharmacy built locally.

      New farming techniques are worthless to anyone that is unable to farm because all the fertile land has been seized by the local warlord.

      But learning that there exists a life where such warlords don't exist (or at least have significantly less power) can lead to revolutionary ideals being born.

      Knowledge is nice, but it isn't quite as powerful as you might think.

      Only because you're trying to answer the wrong question. The question shouldn't be "will this specific knowledge help this specific scenario at this specific time?" You never know what knowledge may come in handy tomorrow or next year or twenty years from now.

      That's the great thing about knowledge. It may not always help but it never hurts. Somebody is always thinking up a new way to use their knowledge that nobody else has thought of. Really, teaching any specific piece of knowledge isn't an end goal -- the end goal is getting people to enjoy learning and be able gain additional knowledge on their own (whether by further learning or by discovering things themselves.) "Knowledge is empowering" is perhaps a better catch phrase.

      Of course depending on how dire the immediate situation is in whatever target area you're looking at, knowledge alone might not be sufficient as several commenters have pointed out. It doesn't matter how brilliant a girl could be when she grows up if she dies of starvation or a terrorist act or whatever before she gets there.

    42. Re:Bill is doing the right things by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Growing a crop that some teapot dictator comes and feeds to his cousins isn't a pretty effective way of getting ahead either. People have to have stability to have a reasonable expectation of profit to invest in the future. Otherwise they'll sit on the ground and wait for a meal to be delivered to them or eat the grain rather than feed it to the chickens or save it to plant for next year. This is a vast generalization though. A bunch of countries in Africa are making significant gains. Opportunies give you a reason to invest, investing in fixed assets gives you a reason to fight for protections, leading you to value yourself and others more, leading to opportunities as who can work and get an education expands through the social hierarchy etc.

    43. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, many of these countries had infrastructure 50 years ago. Then something happened - I don't remember what but it was probably related to anthropogenic climate change or Christians violating gay people's rights - and now the infrastructure is all broken down and useless.

      Maybe someone should come with the willingness and the money to build the infrastructure for them again.

    44. Re: Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The computer was not connected to the Internet, and it was loaded with specific information from the field of biology. What would the kids learn if they had full internet access? Not biology I would think...

    45. Re:Bill is doing the right things by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wrong. F You.

      It has nothing to do with stupidity. It has everything to do with culture and human conditioning.

      If your grandfather fished a certain way, and he taught your father to fish that way, and your father taught you to fish that way, and the same is true for the other children in the village, then that's the way you fish. The odds are, you derive pleasure from fishing that way. It feels right, because that's the way your preteen brain was wired to live. If I now come in and say to the village "Hey. Stop fishing. Use this sophisticated replicator to produce all the fish matter you want from sunlight", the majority of the village will ignore me. Not because they're stupid, but because they're *people that fish*.

      Over time, the replicators will be used more, and the fishing will occur less. Some of the older folks will never give up fishing. Some of the children will not learn how to fish. Eventually, the fishing will stop as one generation dies off and another raised in a new way supplants it.

      The same thing happens in first world cultures, to blacksmiths, weavers, and eventually C# coders. Some have the capacity to adjust. Many don't.

      Really, you need to provide the *aid* to the older generation, and the *education* to the younger and those that can adjust. The reality of most aid programs is that just the opposite occurs, which is why most aid programs are doomed to fail.

    46. Re: Bill is doing the right things by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Good. They'll learn faster if they're able to focus on things in which they're interested. The population as a whole will acquire a broader set of knowledge.

      Some of them will gain an in-depth unparalleled understanding of the origins of football and the history of Africa's participation in the world cup but some people just aren't cut out for biology anyway.

    47. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzzt. Fail.

    48. Re:Bill is doing the right things by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what people struggling to find food would do with the internet. Would it enrich their lives? I don't see how. Would it save them from disease? Would it allow their children greater likelyhood to see their fifth birthday?

      It links them up as part of the greater worldwide community, which in turn gives access to information, provides opportunities to earn cash, and makes it easier to pool resources with nearby communities to build infrastructure. Or, for that matter, ask for help - the world actually has a lot of bleeding-heart whatevers willing to chip in a few bucks if you ask them nicely, and that's often all it takes to get started.

      You can't solve the problem (of hunger/disease/general misery) without ending poverty, you can't end poverty without having a functional economy, and you can't have an economy without communications. Thus, hooking everyone up with an Internet connection is a good first step.

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    49. Re:Bill is doing the right things by ultranova · · Score: 1

      - I wish that people with money simply tried to make more money by growing their marketshare as much as they possibly can in any business they attempt, thus lowering costs and prices for everybody

      "Stop giving to the poor and give to me instead!"

      and I wish people would stop believing in nonsense, such as: giving away savings for simple consumer spending is a good thing for any economy.

      Finding a vaccination for malaria is unlikely to be a bad thing for the economy, but even if it was it would definitely help the people and thus be a good thing.

      You do understand that economy exists for the sake of people and not the other way around, right?

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    50. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use this sophisticated replicator to produce all the fish matter you want from sunlight", the majority of the village will ignore me. Not because they're stupid, but because they're *people that fish*.

      In most communities outside those of your own, this is commonly refered to as "stupidity".

      F You Too.

    51. Re:Bill is doing the right things by volmtech · · Score: 1

      People have been doing a wonderful job of saving African children. The population climbed from 250 million to 1 billion in the last 60 years. The more you save, there's that much many more to save next time.

    52. Re:Bill is doing the right things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot on!

      Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

  3. Save the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We keep people alive with no hope for the future. What exactly are we saving people from? How is this saving the world?
     
    The goal posts are too wide and too blurry to consider this a real question.

  4. overpopulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    too many people on the planet ... Gates is way off on this one.
    Unsurprising, coming from Gates ... Who completely overlooked the internet when he ran Microsoft.

    1. Re:overpopulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We're nowhere near the carrying capacity for the earth. What we have is a food and resources distribution problem. Mostly caused by corrupt governments.

      Given that the population seems to be increasing at a decreasing rate, all we need to do is keep improving the quality of life for individuals in the third world so that they don't need to have more than 3 or so children.

    2. Re:overpopulated by cgt · · Score: 1, Informative

      All right, you go first then.

    3. Re:overpopulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you realize that a higher standard of living is statistically correlated with fewer births?

      Do you realize that the poorest members of the world represent a largely untapped labor supply?

      Do you realize that human beings are dying slow, horrible deaths from cured, curable, and treatable diseases all over the world right now, and the only thing standing in the way of their treatment is the egregiously huge wealth gap?

      Lastly, do you realize that your particular brand of assholery is as uneducated and slothful as it is incompassionate?

    4. Re:overpopulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better get to murdering.

    5. Re:overpopulated by Rande · · Score: 1

      Sure, if 6 billion people jumped off a cliff, I'd jump too.
      Just me jumping is pointless as I'd be replaced in 2 seconds.

      Sure we can produce enough food _now_ for everyone. But what about then the population hits 15 billion?
      And more importantly, what happens when we run out of oil and other non-renewable resources?
      Last I checked, without non-renewables, we could only support about 1 billion people. Maybe with advances in tech we might be able to support 2 or even 3 billion in the future.

      I guess you're really hoping that fusion power solves our energy problems huh?

    6. Re:overpopulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? We should all just give up now then? When food and water becomes a major factor of our lives when we become so overly populated we can't feed the populace with the way things are going, you have to know that will never happen, first there are billions upon billions of acres of land that is home to what? Big shopping malls, shopping strips, and gas stations on every corner and sometimes more.. We will be forced to abandon materialism in the fight to survive and use that land for agricultural purposes instead.. I for one am a big supporter of renewable resources, so hopefully I will see the demise or at least the decline in gas stations and the internal combustion engine before my days end.. Not to mention we can populate outer space, giant bio domes orbiting earth.. Their are multiple solutions to the problem if you think about it..

  5. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...his IT tech is certainly never going to save the world. Someone with competent software might.

  6. What will save the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone using Word.

  7. Re:Hey Bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    work for $1.80 a day
    Ramen sucks, but is better than dirt cakes.

  8. They are both wrong by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Eradicating disease sounds like a noble pursuit and indeed Nobel prizes have been awarded for efforts there. However the problem with success is that disease is one of natures ways of keeping populations in check. The other natural method of keeping populations in check is predators and we humans have pretty much eliminated most of our natural predators. Were one of the very rare species that dies from old age, a luxury not available to most of the animal kingdom.

    Overpopulation is a serious problem in parts of the world and it's only getting far worse. Not only does overpopulation lead to problems like a shortage of food it also leads to increase in pollution of all kinds. It also further strains social services as more and more people need services such as medical care. The net result would be an inevitable surplus of humans a substantial risk of not being able to take care of them.

    Unless we can pair getting rid of diseases with far better birth control all were going to do is create a perfect dystopian future.

    1. Re:They are both wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless we can pair getting rid of diseases with far better birth control all were going to do is create a perfect dystopian future.

      We have plenty of very safe and very effective methods of birth control. The two major problems are not technological, but rather social:

      1. Women who are not themselves empowered tend not to use birth control, or tend not use it effectively.

      2. Religious nuts think their particular holy book gives them the right to dictate family planning to everyone else on the planet.

      Fix those problems and birth control will be no issue whatsoever.

    2. Re:They are both wrong by JMZero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, that's the naive cynical view. The reality is that as societies become more wealthy (particularly, as they move out of starvation/subsistence) they have less children (not more), and an important part of getting out of the poverty trap is reducing disease (which destroys a tremendous amount of labor). It's not the only step, obviously, but it is a step in the right direction (even if we are trying to behave as idealized, heartless social planning robots, and ignore all the current suffering this could mitigate).

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    3. Re:They are both wrong by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I wish I could find the link to the great presentation a professor did on TED. It showed how better healthcare, increase in lifestyle and education directly resulted in reduced births per family.

    4. Re:They are both wrong by somepunk · · Score: 1

      Education, access to health services, and increasing affluence will do wonders for reducing fertility rates. Bangledesh is a striking example of this. Also, consumption is a bigger problem than population overall. The average westerner has something like 13x the carbon footprint of a person living in subsaharan africa, IIRC.

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    5. Re:They are both wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, but there's also a problem with what you're saying. Humans in general have an empathic concern for other members of their species; the ones that do not are considered an exception and labeled as a psychological dysfunction (sociopathy), whereas concern for others is considered "humane". You're talking in the abstract, in terms of concepts such as "overpopulation" and "billions of people", but underlying those concepts are real people and it is difficult to eliminate the human drive to save the lives of others, especially when they think it's preventable.

      Birth control is unfortunately not an option. The most extreme form of population control in recorded history is China's "one-child policy", in an attempt to curb their own population growth. The net result of the one-child policy is that population growth rates did not slow at all, but did result in a massive gender imbalance (currently reported newborns are 120 males to 100 females), a massive strain on the resources of younger generations (the 4-2-1 problem), infanticide, child abandonment, etc.

      The only thing that has slowed population growth rates historically is economic opportunity. When a country or ethnic group has achieved some higher level of GDP growth and education level, fertility rates drop. So the real target should be to find ways to liberalize and open up economic opportunities in developing countries as this historically results in a drop in the population growth rates, and frankly is a win-win no matter whcih way you look at it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic-economic_paradox

    6. Re:They are both wrong by fermion · · Score: 2
      First, everyone who says this is like sour grapes is correct. The internet was and is MS undoing.

      Second, overpopulation is the issue. We all want a better lifestyle and there is no way to avoid that. As more people live, and more people want stuff, the planet is going to have big issues. The mantra used to be that the planet cannot handle every person in China owning a refrigerator. China is dealing with that reality now. It is not pretty. The only way to deal with overpopulation is change our consumptions patterns.

      And this is where Gates is full of crap

      The internet is changing our consumption patterns and helping everyone. 40 years ago kids would collect large plastic dics, wrapped in two layers of paper, maybe a book, and a sheet of plastic that would be thrown away immediately. In most cases when the kids moved out of their parents house, and the entire collection went into the landfill, tons of non biodegradable plastic. This does not happen anymore and kids keep their iPods for years. Patterns are changing for the better

      Yes it is true that Jimmy Carter, with the help of the Gates Foundation convinced people to filter their water before drinking it so they would not get infected with worms. It is also true that various technologies have made micro loans practical and Kiva has used the internet to efficiently fund those loans. This is helping the most venerable.

      The internet is creating a culture in which rapid communications of research that would have been unaffordable 20 years ago is now practical. The simple act of communicating, which would have required an international phone call or fax, is not for all practical purposes, free. If you have never tried to call into the US from a foreign location, ask someone how expensive that is. Not that faxes were not themselves revolutionary for research. When I was at the university , we were able to employ several Russian researchers due to the Fax machine.

      The internet provides a standard platform for dissemination and collection of information of services. Saying that it cannot help people in the greatest need is like saying verbal language, writing or cheap books does not help the venerable. Perhaps not directly, but we are no longer, for the most, shitting in the street and dying of cholera. That, my friends, is because of the ability to communicate across borders and generations.

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  9. Hmmmm.... Kickstarter? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    One Kickstarter campaign could feed a whole village for 30 years.

  10. My charity is more important than your charity... by nharmon · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying Gates is necessarily wrong, but it is awfully convenient that the most important issue for the world just happens to be the one his charity is involved in.

    I question whether you can even know what will "save the world". Look at risks to human civilization. What is the impact of malaria on the population versus say, an asteroid crashing into our planet? The latter is more catastrophic to the survival of our species than the former, but the probability of occurrence is much lower.

    What if the Internet becomes instrumental to the identification of an asteroid threat with sufficient time to mitigate its effects? Will the Internet have 'saved the world'?

    Again, I'm not saying that curing disease isn't important, and I applaud Mr. Gates' efforts even if I may question his motives. But I don't think he can possibly know what will and will not "save the world".

  11. Repost: More or Less by TrollheartBlue · · Score: 1

    This is nothing new. Bill Gates has been totting around this idea for a few months at least. Don't believe me? See this reliable and heavily acredited news article: http://slashdot.org/story/13/08/08/1622238/bill-gates-promotes-vaccine-projects-swipes-at-google

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  12. Seeing & Reading First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's right. Basic literacy and just the Vitamin A to ward off blindness have to come first. How are they going to use the Internet otherwise?

  13. How not to help the developing world .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about not making money out of pushing ineffective malaria vaccines, by pushing 'loans' to developing countries to buy the drugs from pharmaceutical companies that Gates has shares in ..

    1. Re:How not to help the developing world .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A billionaire trying to make money? Say it isn't so. You sound like a conspiracy theorist and a little bit racist too.

  14. "No, really, you guys, the internet's just a fad!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hey, you guys, remember how I said the internet was just a fad, and that's why our MSN was so totally going to fuck that little thing up? Yeah, I'm still saying that. I'm playing some long-game shit here, bitches. The internet won't solve absolutely every problem in the world, and that's all that matters. In eighty or ninety years, it'll prove to be a fad, just like I said. Seriously, I've got to be right again sometime, just like the old days."

  15. Too many humans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, the poverty and hunger is horrific but the long term solution to save the world cannot lie purely with saving the lives of these starving people. Surely it makes more sense to improve education regarding birth control and provide free access to contraception? Contraception is widely rejected on religious grounds, I know, but there are simply too many humans on the planet. Most people toil for most of their lives to try and get one over on other people by earning money from them so they can scrape together enough to pay for a little patch of land to live on. This fierce competition over land and resources isn't going to get better by actively encouraging population expansion. Governments like population expansion because it produces more potential tax payers and voters and pushes up the value of the properties they own. It's not good for the planet though - I'd not even mentioned all the other organisms struggling desperately to compete with humanity. Technology could allow a utopian future for humans where no-one needs to work involuntarily but that will never be possible when the land is overcrowded.

    1. Re:Too many humans! by Antipater · · Score: 1

      People might care more about contraception when their children aren't dying of hunger before age 5.

      --
      Everything is better with chainsaws.
    2. Re:Too many humans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why have children if you are knowingly condemning them to starvation? The more children you have, the less food there is to go around.

    3. Re:Too many humans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such starvation hasn't stopped them screwing in Ehtiopia, Sudan, Somolia,...

    4. Re:Too many humans! by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Or when the fathers have to support all their bastards.

    5. Re:Too many humans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many organisms on this planet react the same way. It is a natural species survival response. And for all you AGW nuts which do you think is contibuting more to global warming, all the mud hut third world parts of the planet or the volcanoes still erupting?

  16. More product by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 2

    Of course ... 5 billion more facebook accounts, more product for Facebook to sell to advertisers.

    1. Re:More product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will the advertisers take gourds as payment for that shiny new iPad?

  17. The White Man's Burden... by jmd · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The old give it to me first so I can redistribute it to whom I see fit..... and most of us blame governments for doing this. Capitalists do the same thing.

    Eliminate unbridled global capitalism and you have a chance at saving the world. MCDonalds is crap nutrition but their food distribution system is fantastic. Eliminate the need for McDs profits and use the food distribution for humanity... you might get somewhere.

    I would venture to say that the creation of Linux (and other open source software) has done more to benefit humanity that Windows (or OSX).

    1. Re:The White Man's Burden... by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      If we're picking champions Symbian has probably done more for humanity than any other operating system in terms of saving lives and helping people make important connections.

    2. Re:The White Man's Burden... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what does this make Stephen "Slayer of Symbian" Elop?

  18. Yeah it will by mfwitten · · Score: 1

    The free flow of information—that is, the Great Discussion—is already helping people identify and eliminate the stupidity in their own respective cultures/socities.

    Cryptographic technologies are allowing countercultures and new ideas to blossom in protected environments, and decentralize the control of resources, thereby allowing society to evolve more effectively by variation and selection.

    The Internet will save the world. The Internet is already saving the world.

    1. Re:Yeah it will by slew · · Score: 2

      The internet is a tool, nothing more.

      Like any tool it could be used for "good" or bad. Cryptographic techology allows both counter-cultures and terrorist networks to blossom (good or bad depending on your politics), and allows people to protect their IP from piracy (good or bad depending on your politics). Decentralized control of resources can be good (more experiments), or bad (segregation, discrimination). Unfortunatly just as it decentralizes, the internet also appears to be concentrating other resources (people are funneled to the large social networking companies) and delocalizing (killing off local small businesses).

      The internet will change the world, The internet is already changing the world.

      Will it save the world? It's a stretch, but maybe it will save the world from the past. But it won't save us from the future (one day no one will remember the Internet, as it will be a quaint reminder of a past era like the pony express).

    2. Re:Yeah it will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are naive. The internet is just keeping you fat and lazy.

    3. Re:Yeah it will by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      The internet is a tool, nothing more.

      Language is a tool, nothing more. Before language the minds of your peers were unknown to you. You largely feared each other in situations where it was better safe than sorry. Society was very limited in its ability to better mankind.

      After language an explosion of civilization occurred. The written word allowed ideas to live in tact beyond a mind's life and be refined over time. Ideas larger than a single head could be processed and the centers where such knowledge was gathered were marvels of scientific achievement. These achievements benefited your kind immensely.

      Then came the Internet. The very first generation of human is now growing up with a global network for instantaneous knowledge and language transfer. No longer is the information in limited supply, for the first time in human history nearly all information is available to all people at all times...

      And you wonder if it will save the world? Language has been saving your world from war, famine, and other hardships. Language has been the facilitator to all the marvels around you -- Anything that COULD save anyone is a product of language. Now that your voices have been gathered and echo across the entire globe in fractions of a second only a fool would think it a stretch to predict such will save us from past hardships and miscommunications. Only a fool would look at human history and see language only growing stronger then conclude it would somehow disappear instead of evolve.

      The pony express lives on. That drive to carry information faster across your world did not vanish. That you would push the physical limitations of yourselves and your beasts of burden to carry language from town to town as fast as possible did not die. You merely found a faster way to send the data: Telegraphs. The Internet is the fastest we have yet, and just like the Horse backed messengers rode off along many routes to deliver a town's messages; The senders having no guarantee of receipt, relying on only the best effort of the carrier; This very same mechanism is carried out now in your global packet switching network. The pony express is not a quaint reminder of an era gone by, its the very model by which you're able to read these words.

    4. Re:Yeah it will by slew · · Score: 1

      Language of course is as old as the hills and probably the biggest thing that separates us from other animals. However, the internet as we know it will be just another flash in the pan along the way.

      Although the speed that current language is propagated is welcomed by some, the propagation is also serving to kill off local languages at lighting speed. English and (Mandarin) Chinese seem to be the only languages making headway in this new era and many languages are in a precipitous decline. Some think that instead of promoting diversity of thought, this destruction of language is serving to homogenize the cultures around the world. Something we should ask ourselves are we really saving the future with our actions today. We may all live w/o famine and disease, but some cultures may not survive the translation to English and Chinese. Thus we may be saving ourselves from our past, but we may not be saving things for the future (depending on your politics).

      FWIW, perhaps you are unaware, but the pony express was the model of the prototypical .com company of the era. It was founded by people that made their money in the stage-coach shipping business, but wanted to try to start a company to capture a USPS delivery contract. The company didn't get the contract, was never profitable, and basically was only in existence for 18months until it was finally killed off the telegraph. The logo was one of only thing of value left of the company at the end (it was bought by Wells Fargo).

    5. Re:Yeah it will by ultranova · · Score: 1

      We may all live w/o famine and disease, but some cultures may not survive the translation to English and Chinese.

      Even if this was true, I very much doubt anyone would choose famine and disease over keeping their traditions pure - I'm assuming you weren't implying we should make the choice for them to provide ourselves with more cultural diversity. But of course it's not true. Archeology would not be possible if it was. None of the world religions could exist if it was. Iliad and Odyssey would be incomprehensible to modern audiences if it was; for that matter, so would be Arthurian legends or the works of Shakespear.

      In any case, cultures come and go, they aren't any more eternal than people. If anything, the Internet has greater chance of preserving the traditions of small cultures since they are no longer limited to just one geographic location, and members can keep in touch even if they move abroad. And of course whole new subcultures are being born in the Net all the time.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    6. Re:Yeah it will by readacc · · Score: 1

      OT: VortexCortex, you have a very... odd manner in your posts. You write phrases such as "And still you humans teach your young", "Language has been saving your world from", and so on. Consistently you always try to distance yourself from the rest of humanity and the world, almost as if you don't want to acknowledge that you're human and live on this planet like the rest of us. Why? Are you embarrassed to be on of us? I'd really like to know.

  19. Re:My charity is more important than your charity. by JMZero · · Score: 2

    but it is awfully convenient that the most important issue for the world just happens to be the one his charity is involved in

    He didn't just find himself running a disease charity, so therefore he's claiming that's what's important. He chose to set up a charity for what he felt was the most important problem. You can say he's wrong if you want, sure - but saying it's "convenient" is really silly; you're getting the causality chain completely backwards.

    --
    Let's not stir that bag of worms...
  20. Education will save the world by Andrio · · Score: 2

    Giving people treatment to diseases is great, but it's a short term solution. What happens in 10 years, if you're not around to give them treatment?

    People in underdeveloped countries need to be able to self-sustain themselves. Even if they can't develop a treatment themselves, they should be able to economically support importing it. Education is what's needed for all of this, and the internet is the best tool for education.

    So, we need both short term (giving them the treatment they need) and long term (giving them the tools they need to advance).

    --
    The Internet King? I wonder if he could provide faster nudity.
    1. Re:Education will save the world by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      The efforts in these 3rd world countries are more than providing supplies. They actually show people how to dig wells and find drinkable water. There are communities that have been built on this concept and that have become self sufficient.

      Internet requires computers and computer require electricity. To get to the point where computers can help these people, they need to develop infrastructure and that requires people going there and teach them how to build communities. That is where the funding needs to go at this point in time.

    2. Re:Education will save the world by cowdung · · Score: 1

      People in "under-developed" countries are not the only ones in trouble in this world. Those in Europe and the US shouldn't think that they're future is necessarily better than those in the "third world".

      What will save the world is a profound recognition of the oneness of humankind, that we all have rights and responsibilities, that we all should be respected and that the only way to solve our problems is learning how to collaborate. Also, the vast majority of humanity must learn to solve its own problems rather than wait for politicians or opportunists to come solve it for them.

      The profound understanding of who we are and what we are capable of achieving when we work hard, honestly and with regard for the rights of all at the local, national and international sphere will allow us to over come problems.

      Tecnology, economic development, material education will all flourish if progress is made at the human level.

    3. Re:Education will save the world by cowdung · · Score: 2

      The efforts in these 3rd world countries are more than providing supplies. They actually show people how to dig wells and find drinkable water. There are communities that have been built on this concept and that have become self sufficient.

      Internet requires computers and computer require electricity. To get to the point where computers can help these people, they need to develop infrastructure and that requires people going there and teach them how to build communities. That is where the funding needs to go at this point in time.

      No. Progress in "3rd world countries" comes about when people are empowered to look at their own problems and find their own solutions to them rather than have "experts" from the "developed world" come and tell them what to do.

    4. Re:Education will save the world by russotto · · Score: 1

      People in "under-developed" countries are not the only ones in trouble in this world. Those in Europe and the US shouldn't think that they're future is necessarily better than those in the "third world".

      You may have a point. Long after western society collapses, the poor in Africa will likely continue to suffer just as they do today.

      What will save the world is a profound recognition of the oneness of humankind,

      The reality is, there is no oneness of humankind. A rock falls on my head tomorrow and I die, you are not harmed in the slightest.

    5. Re:Education will save the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what he meant is that the rock should NEVER be dropped on your head by another human. And that is what Gates and his ilk does all the time. "Hey Third World, the first hit is free!!" and then here comes the big rock "SPPLLLLAAAATTTTT"

    6. Re:Education will save the world by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      How's internet going to help them if they don't have a power outlet to hook those computers up? Your assuming they have electricity. This is why they require the knowledge to build these communities so they can grow to a point where infrastructures allow for better education and resourcefulness.

      We didn't go from fire to computers in one day. Same goes here. You can't just parachute computers down and expect them to figure it out.

  21. Fairy tales... by alukin · · Score: 0

    Once upon a time this guy said that Internet will never survive and NetBIOS will rule the world

    1. Re:Fairy tales... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I want a link to that statement. I knew the second that heavy protocol came out that it would not survive.

  22. Better not give them the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you give them the Internet, they'll know how the rest of us live.

    .

  23. Golf clap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Access to fishing instructions is not access to the means to create tackle or access to a body of water where fish exist to be caught.

    This needn't be an either/or proposition -- give people basic sustenance and the means to raise their own lot as time goes on. But without that basic sustenance, you have no foundation on which to build anything, and all the building materials and instructions you provide will go to waste.

    1. Re:Golf clap. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 0

      Internet access may give locals fishing instructions as well as directions to local bodies of water, and instructions to create tackle using locally available materials, rather than having to rely on a factory made tackle that cannot be fixed locally when broken. It will help him find the best price to sell his fish for, and even enable a business model where the fish is collected at his place rather than having him travel to market. Internet access in one form or another (mobile phones for example) is already making a huge difference in developing countries. You'd be surprised to learn that not all people in such countries are fly-ridden victims of hunger and disease, scrabbling in the dirt for sustenance.

      On top of that, you need to be careful even when providing sustenance. Many local farms have been driven out of business because of a sudden influx of well meaning people bringing free food.

      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    2. Re:Golf clap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly believe that "locals" don't know where the water, or food is? Or how to get it without the help of kindly rich foreigners?

    3. Re:Golf clap. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Availability of water may change, as will food prices. One local finds out and tells others even in other villages. How? Internet or mobile phones.

      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    4. Re:Golf clap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking hell - this is like the worst column ever written by Thomas Friedman.

    5. Re: Golf clap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People on general know very little. Do you know how to build a wall that collects moisture in desert? Do you know that if you would not touch your face, you would not get a flu? Education can make life a lot easier.

  24. well, duh by Luke_22 · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a tool, subject to the human will and policies.

    "eradicating disease" is instead long, constant process that requires multiple tools, innovation and people.
    It also already has an objective (saving people's lifes).

    So, we are comparing a mere object with no specific objective to a long, evolving process with a specific goals...

    Color me unimpressed.
    But even "eradicating disease" per se doesn't save the world, first because "the world" is not "the people", and because having the cure doesn't mean that you are willing to distribute it freely or at accessible costs.

    So, to sum it up... the right policies will save the world?

    --
    "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." -- Mark Twain
    1. Re:well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he Internet is a tool, subject to the human will and policies.

      "eradicating disease" is instead long, constant process that requires multiple tools, innovation and people.
      It also already has an objective (saving people's lifes).

      So, we are comparing a mere object with no specific objective to a long, evolving process with a specific goals...

      Nothing that Bill Gates hasn't already said, which is the point of TFA.

      Color me unimpressed.

  25. Don't give a... by photosonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mark Zuckerberg's and the like don't give a shit personally about the other people who don't have internet connection and the reasons they are not online. They just want them online for revenue. Get them online, make advertising dollars from them, let them figure out how to survive life.

    --
    Find a job you love, and never work a day in your life.
    1. Re:Don't give a... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2

      Mark Zuckerberg's and the like don't give a shit personally about the other people who don't have internet connection and the reasons they are not online. They just want them online for revenue. Get them online, make advertising dollars from them, let them figure out how to survive life.

      Did Bill Gates care about the wider world when he was Zuckerberg's age? Wasn't he busy building a monolithic and morally questionable business?
      I imagine it's rather easier to look good in the eyes of the world when you're sitting on enough money to do something about it, and the days when you collected that money are over.

    2. Re:Don't give a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs didn't care either... and he _was_ Bill Gates' age. Age doesn't automatically turn people to philanthropy. Whether it was Melinda's influence, or if he came to it himself, he's doing good. Right now. Hate on Microsoft if that's how you show people you're cool, and go ahead and dislike Gates for how he ran his business, but in my view he's done alright. I'm glad Gates is around..

    3. Re:Don't give a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is he going to collect revenue from them if they can't afford it? If he really plans on collecting revenue from them, he has to make them less poor. And that's a good thing, isn't it?

    4. Re:Don't give a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you care? Did anyone? I remember back in the those years the best thing we had going for us was planting a tree for a better tomorrow. I disagree with the assertion that wanting software to be licensed and allowing software developers to do more than just piggyback off of hardware makers was morally questionable. It's somehow unmoral that I can't play Doom for free? No. Zuckerberg was not in the reality that Gates was in at that age. Zuckerberg has always been profit-focused and continues to be. Gates does in fact continue to collect that Microsoft money.

  26. Re:Hey Bill? by DogDude · · Score: 1, Troll

    Wow. You ARE a dick. You're whining about contractors working at Microsoft and Windows 8? This is a discussion about helping people with or without Internet access, not your own personal bitch-fest.

    --
    I don't respond to AC's.
  27. Imagine this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine having a library in your village that could show you how to build water condensers, new farming techniques, basic chemistry that could improve your quality of life, really ANY piece of information you could conceive of as well as the ability to communicate remotely with other vilalges trying to overcome similar problems at the touch of your hands.

    And what about having the money to BUY the supplies to build such things let alone the political stability to keep them.

    Knowledge is power but MONEY is even more powerful and having the political stability to implement those plans is even better.

    Technology and the Internet is NOT a panacea! When will you people get this?!

  28. Gates is either out of touch or a liar by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 0

    What's threatening the species is not disease.

    It's the species' behavior. Resulting in climate change
    and an unlivable world.
    And unresponsibility on the part of the opulent.

    1. Re:Gates is either out of touch or a liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's threatening the species is not disease.

      It's the species' behavior. Resulting in climate change
      and an unlivable world.

      You just aren't looking at the problem as you should. Yes: this is quite possibly the most urgent problem we have. The problem is more social networking isn't going to fix it. The only fix is to reduce the population size. The only way we are likely to do that is to eat people. I don't know about you but I want my Soylent green disease free!

      I'm only 0.5 joking.... there are too many people. We need less hairless apes on this planet.

  29. Re:Hey Bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had Ramen for lunch today.... I remember when they were 10 for a dollar.

  30. NOW he tells us!!! by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Why did he re-orient Microsoft towards the Internet starting in the mid 90s?

    1. Re:NOW he tells us!!! by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      He didn't have a choice. If he didn't then Microsoft would've become irrelevant in no time flat.

  31. Re:Hey Bill? by jmd · · Score: 1

    And as a result of this kind of thinking Gates and other capitalists employ you get this:

    "As long as most citizens believe in the ideas that justify global capitalism, the private and state institutions that serve our corporate masters are unassailable. When these ideas are shattered, the institutions that buttress the ruling class deflate and collapse. The battle of ideas is percolating below the surface." Chris Hedges

    And percolating they are. :)

  32. I couldn't agree with him more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates clearly is thinking intelligently. The silicon valley notion that connectivity and communication is what the world needs more of is so out of touch with reality that it's counter productive. That attitude (that hurling pictures at each other solves the worlds problems) is the reason why I can't even stand short trips to the SF and the surrounding cities.

  33. Didn't he one say by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2

    That the internet was just a fad, and not a priority for Microsoft?
    Or at least something to that effect?
    I think it was in his book.

    --
    If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
    1. Re:Didn't he one say by Kasar · · Score: 1

      They were in the midst of a "Windows Everywhere" marketing campaign. He did say that, until Netscape posted it's profit numbers. Then when his buyout offer was spurned, he spent a lot of money catching up.
      Netscape's browser was like $50 per seat. IE of course gutted that revenue stream in it's efforts to gain market share and after that Netscape started posting losses. Then AOL bought Netscape and browser progression largely stalled for a while.

      --
      vi? Who's that?
  34. Re:Hey Bill? by Jiro · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter that the contractors harmed aren't poor third-world people. You don't get to excuse mistreating your workers just because your profit from the mistreatment goes to help people who are worse off than the workers you mistreated.

  35. Nuclear bombs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is plenty of information on the net to build nuclear bombs.

    But I can't because the uranium isn't available to me.

    Get the analogy?!

  36. Not black or white, not either/or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting all of the 5 billion unconnecteds will certainly go a long way to making their sitation more real for many more people. Right now it seems like people who have a personal experience see things for what they are, but for everyone else it's abstract. A constant connection (the internet) to those people will make it more real for a significantly larger part of the population. Hopefully that makes more people appreciate what they have and allows those that have the resourses get to those that need the help. Maybe, finally, the needy can be empowered with knowledge and resources and be able to pull themselves up from their situation.

  37. Re:Hey Bill? by DogDude · · Score: 2

    Contractors aren't mistreated in any way. They don't get company health insurance. Big deal. They're generally paid much more than "permanent" employees. Regardless, if you can't cut it for whatever reason, then find another line of work. There's no comparison between a IT contractor for MS and a kid starving to death in some shithole in Africa, and anybody delusional enough to think so needs a swift kick in the ass.

    --
    I don't respond to AC's.
  38. Drinking Water Isn't So Easy As You Think by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I was a kid I did Unicef collection every Haloween. We got an orange cardboard coin box at school, and collected donations to it along with our trick-or-treat. Unicef used these funds to build water wells for people in Africa who had only access to contaminated surface water.

    A decade or two later, we found that many of these wells accessed aquifers that were contaminated by arsenic. And that thus we kids had funded the wholesale poisoning of people in Africa, and that a lot of them had arsenic-induced cancers that were killing them.

    OK, we would not make that mistake again, and today we have access to better water testing. But it caused me to lose my faith that we really do know how to help poor people in the third world, no matter how well-intentioned we are.

    And we had better not go around curing disease withoput also promoting birth control. Despite what the churches say, and the local dislikes and prejudices. Or we'll just be condemning more people to starve.

    1. Re:Drinking Water Isn't So Easy As You Think by lgw · · Score: 2

      And we had better not go around curing disease withoput also promoting birth control. Despite what the churches say, and the local dislikes and prejudices. Or we'll just be condemning more people to starve

      Well, you're unlikely to persuade a Catholic charity to do that, but others can (and do) take up the slack. Heck, even in predominately Catholic countries people stop having so many children once child mortality drops (with about a 1-generation lag), and their priests are smart enough not to enquire too closely. Cure diseases now, people are smart enough to manage the birth rate later.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  39. Duh? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    The important part is that when we send food and supplies, part of the supplies should be education tech. Its going to take a very long time to raise the floor in Africa, but tech modestly and intelligently applied will make incredibly widespread progress.

    --
    Good-bye
    1. Re:Duh? by Kasar · · Score: 1

      Each time Gates has gone to Congress to argue for more H1B visas because of a lack of trained Americans, his foundation follows it up with more money for colleges in India.

      --
      vi? Who's that?
  40. Nay Sayer Of the Week by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    Ok, give me a trophy. Call me a really negative idiot or whatever. But seriously folks over population is an urgent and overwhelming issue. If you want a healthier world, a more employable population, less diseases, wars and poverty then the last thing you want to do is save lives. Saving lives is only valuable when you have firm control over birth rates. For those with very short memories the population bomb is real, it is here now, and it is eating us alive. If you think thing suck now wait until another twenty years passes and the world population doubles again.
                  The trap is that although science is wonderful it is down right ignorant to assume that breakthrough after breakthrough can prevent a total collapse of our system and a a day of reckoning unlike any cluster of horrors we have ever faced before. And it is coming rather quickly.

    1. Re:Nay Sayer Of the Week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check this out
      Its such an urgent issue we all died off of starvation back in the 70's. Honest question time. How many times does a doomsayer have to be wrong before people will stop listening? Its like claiming that preacher saying what day the world will end is right this time, not like the last 10 times he was wrong.

      Just like the other threads are claiming AGW will kill us all, yet EVERY prediction by their climate scientists has been wrong and this year they claimed 95% certainty despite never being correct even once.

    2. Re:Nay Sayer Of the Week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to take firm control of your foot, and kick yourself in the face until you are dead.
      And then you will have done your part to control the population you selfish communist nutbag.

  41. ATTN: Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    neither will you

  42. ...saving the world from what? by martiniturbide · · Score: 1

    ...saving the world from Humanity?

  43. Then undoing IP laws it even more important! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to see him cure a disease for which the cure is protected intellectual property. Funny how his eradicating of a disease is the one where the cure wasn't IPed by the inventor.

  44. False Dichotomy... by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 1

    Why can't we have both?

  45. Humanity needs more than the world by sahuxley · · Score: 1

    In the long long run, nothing will save the world. I'm rather hoping technology will allow us to colonize other worlds so we don't go down with it.

  46. Thanks Big Brother! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The power of the internet in poor regions is that it could empower poor people to build, fix, grow, and use the things they need.

    Big Brother Bill would rather send all your data to the NSA and have controls in place to keep poor people from breeding. Or thinking for themselves.

    RMS and Linus will be a historical figures for centuries. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs will be easily forgotten footnotes.

    1. Re:Thanks Big Brother! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one should ever forget the robber barons and the damage they cause.

  47. They need to talk to a tribal elder ... by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Build them out of what? Using what tools?

    The other anonymous coward most likely refers to survival tricks that start out simplistic using sticks, stones and cloth.

    And where do these survival tricks using primitive materials come from? They often come from the indigenous people of the region. For example the technique of filtering water through sand, plant materials, charcoal, etc is thousands of years old. These people don't necessarily need the internet to explain such things, a tribal elder of the region explaining how his grandfather used to purify water, what different plants were used for, etc may do a far better job. Well, at least for the people living in rural areas. For those in urban areas the techniques using primitive materials may not scale up.

    1. Re:They need to talk to a tribal elder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tribal elders speak in mysticism and folk lore, most of them know less about things than a kid in elementary school. Knowledge is the key to overcoming anything, learning from mistakes and improving on great ideas.. NO the changes will not happen overnight; which is what everyone seems to be looking for.. I am against doing things for people that can do for themselves. From infancy we are taught and learn how to be who we are, we learn to move a finger, open our eyes, track objects, crawl, walk, eat, drink, not shit in our pants. Laziness has never been an excuse, they would have the means if you get enough of them educated, it will take a few generations probably or longer, but it will happen. Helping them out for the time being is ok, but not indefinitely.. They have become complacent in the knowledge that it will be done for them, or giving to them.. Nature has a way of solving problems, yes it's sad, but if they are meant to die out, they are meat to die out.. Just like democracy, if they want it bad enough they will get it with education first.. That's how it's done.. You have to know how to do something before you can do it, you have to practice doing things before you can do them well..

    2. Re:They need to talk to a tribal elder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tribal elders speak in mysticism and folk lore, ...

      Its amusing that you are doing precisely what you accuse tribal elders of doing. You are portraying tribal elders in the fashion of bad TV, which is a type of lore.

      ... most of them know less about things than a kid in elementary school.

      And you have moved from amusing to ignorant.

      Knowledge is the key to overcoming anything, learning from mistakes and improving on great ideas.. NO the changes will not happen overnight ...

      And do you know how that knowledge is passed down through the generations? Sometimes its folklore. The Hebrew Old Testament dietary laws, basically its a regional survival manual. Stick to these laws regarding sea food and you avoid 90% of the toxic species in the Red Sea for example. Ancient Hawaiian kapu (taboos) regarding fishing were often designed to protect species from overfishing.

      Sometimes the knowledge is folklore and sometimes the knowledge is passed on in a more practical sense, in something more similar to a school teacher providing a lesson. For example on collecting charcoal from a fire pit and preparing it to be used to filter water.

      Pick up a modern western military survival manual, watch some modern survival expert on TV, and odds are that many little bits of modern fieldcraft came from some tribal elder in very recent history.

  48. Give a man a fish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give a man a fish, and don't teach him to fish, and he will eat today and die of hunger tomorrow.
    Teach a man to fish, and don't give him a fish, and he will die of hunger today before he has a chance to catch any fish.
    Give a man a fish and teach him to fish, and he can eat long enough to figure out this "fishing" thing, and he has a chance in the long-term.

    If you're trying to address a problem as deeply entrenched and complex as the rates of relative survival, happiness, food availability, etc. in different nations in the world, it is essentially guaranteed that you will need a many-pronged approach to have a chance of success. There's no need for "charity competition". Sure, there are some things that should be pointed out as having near-zero returns - some kinds of "charitable" efforts actually don't help and might do harm, and those should be rejected. But providing access to food, providing access to medicine, and providing access to education / knowledge / the Internet are all beneficial and all complementary. Bill isn't wrong when he says that a malaria vaccine is important, but why deride other beneficial things?

    In particular, it seems very likely that there are multiplicative effects. Suppose that $1 spent on A will improve life by 0.5 while $1 spent on B will improve life by 0.3, and therefore it seems like you should spend all your money on A. But if the systems are correlated, perhaps splitting your dollar between half-A and half-B will improve life by 0.7.

  49. The High Cost of Clean Energy is the Central Issue by cbarcus · · Score: 2

    Energy use fundamentally underlies all economic activity, and this is primarily a technological issue. The general ignorance regarding this relationship and what it implies about how we produce energy can theoretically be addressed by the Internet as it is an issue of consciousness.

    Gail Tverberg's excellent article on the matter should be carefully considered: http://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Economy/Why-Rising-Energy-Costs-are-Responsible-for-Widespread-Economic-Recession.html

    The globe consumes on the order of 17 terawatts, primarily in some form of fossil fuel. Average use per person is around 2 kW, while the United States average is around 10 kW. As increasing energy use is a primary method of reducing poverty, we need to consider raising global per capita use. In order to address both the economy and the climate, all fossil fuel consumption must be eliminated while dramatically lowering the cost of that energy production. Meaningfully lowering the cost of energy requires minimizing land and material use, so energy density is of great significance. The only reasonable candidate for accomplishing this is nuclear power, but as current technology is no where near suitable for this task, so we must look to new technologies. Currently the most promising approach involves something called the molten salt reactor, which has precious little public support despite its potential for addressing both cost and liability. If we are going to responsibly manage the great risk that all of humanity faces, this situation must radically change.

    To have some idea of the scale of the challenge that faces us, aiming for 50 terawatts of production by 2050 will merely raise per capita consumption to 5 kW. Today, it is unimaginable that this will be achieved as current efforts are focused on increasing efficiency to mitigate rising costs. This will not solve our problem or help us avert the risk of catastrophe- it only buys us a little time. With the right technological approach, this goal looks within reach, but this will require substantial public support in terms of mindshare and $billions, perhaps 10s of $billions. Current renewable approaches figure in the range of 100s of $trillions and is not remotely feasible for addressing poverty, climate, or any of the other myriad of problems we face including disease.

    This truly is an issue of consciousness, and hopefully the Internet will serve its purpose in helping us confront our widespread superstitions and general fear so that we may focus our efforts towards policies that will make a difference. Our intelligence is being challenged and our future is at stake. What will we make of this? Are we going to be content with a hellish existence, or will we rise from this mess with a coordinated effort to address fundamental problems with this experiment at civilization?

  50. Tube wells and arsenic contamination by Guppy · · Score: 3, Informative

    A decade or two later, we found that many of these wells accessed aquifers that were contaminated by arsenic. And that thus we kids had funded the wholesale poisoning of people in Africa, and that a lot of them had arsenic-induced cancers that were killing them.

    Are you sure you're not mixing up two different stories here? Although trace amounts of Arsenic are common in aquifers that contact certain kinds of alluvial sediments, only a few areas have experienced really high concentrations. In particular, this has happened with shallow tube wells in India and Bangladesh. These types of wells were extremely cheap, and were drilled in the millions starting around the 1970's with UNICEF assistance; I am unaware of any similar large-scale occurrence of contamination in Africa.

    On looking at the morbidity and mortality modeling from the WHO link, I wouldn't automatically label it an complete tragedy right away, either. The amount of Cancer and other diseases from arsenic contamination (chronic ingestion, the concentration is not the kind required for acute poisoning) is definitely non-trivial. However, following the implementation of the tube wells, infant mortality dropped by something like half (keeping in mind this that the high starting point of mortality means half of a fairly big number), with substantial reductions in prevalence of waterborne diseases. It is entirely possible that the number of lives (and maybe person-years of life) saved by the wells could outnumber those that were lost.

    Actually, I strongly suspect that the person-years of life saved could be greatly more than the number lost, but I can't directly substantiate the possibility with numbers, except to say there is evidence that recent anti-arsenic campaigns have resulted in increases in infant mortality, due to avoidance or loss of well water leading to greater use of microbially contaminated water supplies.

    Obviously, it would be great to have both clean water with no arsenic at all. Possible with deeper but more expensive wells that have been gradually replacing the older wells (it sounds like other strategies like filtration and rain-water storage have sustainability problems when implemented out in the field), but I doubt UNICEF or similar charitable organizations can get the money they need these days to replace them all at a sweep.

    1. Re:Tube wells and arsenic contamination by Guppy · · Score: 1

      Wanted to post a clarification:
      http://web.mit.edu/j-pal/www/book/Arsenic_InfantMortality_feb10.pdf

      On the other end of the spectrum, the calculations by Lokuge et al. (2004) of the dis-
      ease burden from arsenic exposure that take into account only "strong causal evidence" from
      existing studies estimate that arsenic-related disease leads to the loss of 174,174 disability-
      adjusted life years (DALYs) per year among the population exposed to arsenic concentrations
      of more than 50 ppb, which amounts to 0.3% of the disease burden, compared with diarrheal
      disease which accounts for between 7.2% and 12.1% of the total disease burden.

      Since infant mortality results in a disproportionate DALY impact compared with adult morbidity and mortality, I suspect the percentage of DALY disease burden impact gets skewed, but overall I think my previous point stands.

    2. Re:Tube wells and arsenic contamination by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      My google search on the issue came up with Ghana, Burkina Faso, and Bangladesh. Two of which seem to be African, the latter South Asian I guess.

      I'm sure you can come up with better data.

      Besides infant mortality, there's probably unreported miscarriage.

  51. False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technology is the practical application of science (engineering), so the vaccines that he is using were once the height of technology. These hopeless billions that he so wants to save wouldn't even though exist if it wasn't for farming and industrial revolutions born of advances in technology. My point is technology is the only solution to disease and starvation (possibly genocide too). Solving that problem alone will just lead to a bigger boom in population in the third world and lead right back to starvation.

  52. He's correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that's why I'm switching from Databases to Civil and Environmental Engineering

  53. Micro-loans are a scam. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    I went to that Kiva site after seeing ads all over Hulu and was, frankly, quite appalled at the usury rates that the local loan sharks are charging when lending the money you donate.

    I like the idea of making it a loan rather than a hand-out, but they should be charging normal interest rates, or even no interest. They don't need to cover the risk cost because there isn't any - that's the whole point of donating money, you expect to lose it.

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    1. Re:Micro-loans are a scam. by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2

      A big part of it is the inflation rate. Ex. I looked at one in offering loans in Mongolia at ~19% interest. The thing is inflation has been around 15% there so the effective interest rate is only about 4%. With defaults the return on investment was quoted at 1.8% which is probably about right.

      I get the donate part and I don't expect to see my money again but I'd like to see it sustain itself. Otherwise you are dumping money into something that has no chance of helping: buying a car for a guy to be taxi driver were all the males in town are already taxi drivers and no one visits for example. If they know they got to pay you back what the money is worth after inflation they are forced a bit to look for good ideas not just another goat because goats are what they are used to.

  54. calling the kettle black, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before he tell others to spend money on "helping" the world he should start. Using that entire 30+billion to truly help the world rather then just sprinkling a few million here and there with strings attached. I have seen more people with very little give away more then I have ever seen him or his foundation ever do. I worked with a group trying to get funding for micro-loans to help people create environments to bring people up out of the dregs of there life. We tried to get even a small help from Gates foundation but the strings required were a joke, we would have ended up paying them more then we would ever have received.

    So many seem not to care that the top 1% have over 40% of the wealth, you get the world you deserve.

    ()-()

  55. The example of swaziland by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Your ignoring the scale of suffering caused by disease in places like Africa and just how staggering an impact it is happening.

    Take a place like Swaziland. 1/4 of the population has HIV, is too poor for triple cocktail treatment and are thus dying. 110,000 children are orphaned as a result. On top of that, 58% of the population requires treatment for pneumonia each year, and nearly 60% requiring rehydration for diarea (And we're not talking having a sore gut from a cold, but conditions that are often fatal).

    Will education help them? Well swaziland has around 90% literacy rate, and an exceptionally good school enrollment rate which is comparable with even western countries. Something is failing here that *isnt* education.

    The last major war Swaziland was involved in was nearly a century ago, and its monarchy is widely held to be benevolant and not particularly corrupt or malicious. Its economy however is , like many post-colonial countries, a bit of a basket case and income disparity is utterly terrible, with a fabulously rich ruling class and the majority of its population surviving on about $1.50 a day. Despite being well educated, simple education alone appears not to be fixing this.

    The simple fact is a massive chunk of the productive workforce is incapacitated and dying placing enormous economic pressures on those who do work, and this causes terrible poverty, compounded of course by the terrible inequality that was foisted on the country from its legacy as a british colony.

    Bracketing aside the troubling questions of wealth distribution, it is clear that swaziland is doomed without a very serious improvement in health care. HIV does not have to be a death sentence anymore when treated by modern anti-virals. We can't cure it yet, but we can make it something that doesn't kill. A westerner in a UHC country (to ensure poverty doesnt remove access to medicine) with HIV can live as long as someone without HIV as long as they continue to take the required medicines and lives a generally healthy lifestyle. Malaria is a disease that stalks the poor (when was the last time you heard of a malaria outbreak in europe, australia or the united states?) and can be trivially contained if the money is spent as it should. The remaining conditions can be contained and cured with simple antibiotics and ensuring clean water and hygenic waste disposal.

    There is no reason Swasiland should be any poorer than a european country. But like many african countries, its problems revolve around universal access to healthcare, wealth disparity and equitable access to clean water and waste disposal. Education, and by this I mean the internet too, does not factor here. Whats the point of reading about the fabulous lives of the westerners whilst dying of AIDS, malaria and diahrea.

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    1. Re:The example of swaziland by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Will education help people? Hmm, how's that cave going, heard about fire yet, perhaps you should try skinning and tanning animal hides, might even try growing crops, you know reading and writing and great ways to exchange and expand upon knowledge.

      The mind boggles that you and your ilk do no comprehend the value of education. Education frees people, the more aware they are of the shared plight, the more aware they become of shared solutions, the sooner they just like we or at least our forebears, can solve their own problems. Ignorance just like wealth driven arrogance solves no problems.

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    2. Re:The example of swaziland by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Whoops, I left out one problem ignorance does solve, sorry. How do you keep slaves in check, obvious, keep them ignorant.

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    3. Re:The example of swaziland by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      Trying educating a country suffering a smallpox epidemic, oh wait - we wiped it off the face of the earth with vaccines. If you are suffering through disease epidemics, the epidemic will cripple every other endeavour you try to do. In other words, the internet is useless if you are suffering from a disease epidemic.

      Try educating a country without the internet. A much easier task. There are huge and successful systems dedicated to doing just that.

      The internet does not equal education.

    4. Re:The example of swaziland by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Now seriously, make up your mind, are you talking about saving a particular backward country or the whole fucking world, now, c'mon, make up your fucking mind. Combating a single disease in one country will have zero impact upon our current ecological impact, except perhaps to make it a tiny bit worse but fine keep up your PR, like what ever.

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    5. Re:The example of swaziland by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      I am not saying its a bad thing, clearly the example I give of Swaziland would be even worse off without its admirable education system. I am saying that it is not the top priority when a full quarter of the population is dying from terminal yet treatable illness.

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    6. Re:The example of swaziland by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      My mind is already made up. You should be able to determine it from my words.

      Public health is way more important than most people think.

      Note: in no way have I suggested the internet is not useful or good.

  56. instead we got Windows 8 by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 0

    worth every penny.

  57. Gates is Wrong. by hackus · · Score: 1

    The internet can save the world, and is doing so right now.

    Consider the widespread awakening of people, organizations and communities to the details and orchestrations of world government.

    The psycho paths who have deliberately destroyed countless civilizations in the past, no longer can destroy in complete secrecy.

    If we lose this civilization, it will be because most people want it too happen.

    The destruction of obsolescence of such concepts of freedom, liberty and personal virtue is every where in the news: from bankers stealing whole countries savings and pensions like they did in Greece, to the criminal scientists endorsing crap science in the name of making trillions in carbon credits in the whole scheme of man made global warming and other such nonsense.

    The internet will save the world and if it does not, it will be because everyone sees the injustice being done and decided not to do anything about it.

    If that happens I say good riddens to the human race. It was evil to begin with, and when it died it got rid of a lot of evil in the world to make for a better place.

    -Hack

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    1. Re:Gates is Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It was evil to begin with"

      *Requires Citation*

      Mostly agree with everything else.

  58. But will the internet kill mickeysoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates hates the internet. He can't make money from it, and costs him money. He can't run is proprietary crap on it (and yes you brain dead mickeysoft fanbois, he *did* try, and it failed miserably). A shot paid for by Bill might save your life (or not). Education that can help you every day of your life (what to eat/not eat), how to grow more food, get clean water, can improve your life more than the shot. Good food and clean water beats a shot. Bill doesn't get that. Bill has always been most interested in what Bill wants. If his customers can benefit or not, is their problem.

  59. Re:My charity is more important than your charity. by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying Gates is necessarily wrong, but it is awfully convenient that the most important issue for the world just happens to be the one his charity is involved in.

    What a moronic statement, it isn't convenient at all. He picked what he thought was the most important issue facing the world and created his charity around addressing that, how the fuck is that "convenient".

  60. Both wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Saving the world" involves increasing mortality rates, not decreasing it. Bill should know better.

  61. Bill Gates is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is so transparent. He want to "save the world" through so-called cures made by companies that he owns stock in. That's called advertising, not charity.

    He's already sitting on a job-destroying pile of money, and this is what he does with it. He uses it to accumulate even more obscene wealth and destroy the careers of millions more people. How much more of this bullshit are we going to take?

  62. Population by GrahamCox · · Score: 2

    The Earth is overpopulated. That's the fundamental problem we all face. Eradicating disease is a worthy aim, but will only make this underlying problem worse. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't eradicate disease, but it must be coupled with real action on overpopulation. Even thinking about the problem would be a start.

  63. Gates is "The" modern robber baron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates' "philanthropy" may have saved 100's of thousands of lives but his and others warped view of "Eye Pee" and his ethically and morally bankrupt brand of capitalism has indirectly contributed to the deaths of millions. Malaria is irradicated with good nutrition, health, insect reppellant, a secure place to sleep, In other words raise the standards of living for the third world and less people die. Simple really. Problem Gates probably has is a stronger third world will mean less reliance on and therefor much less money, for robber barons like him. Is Gates or any ilk similar to him investing in discovering/developing a source for nearly free energy? Nope. And if he was you can be sure he would be trying to squeeze and angle( remember morally and ethically bankrupt) the maximum profit from "His" "Eye Pee". The quicker he passes ala "Steve Jobs" the better the world will be.

  64. I hope bill gates find some day the cure for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Greed, that's the great disease that is making most damage to our world.

  65. Teach them how to fish by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not disputing your comments. However, what gives me second thoughts about the efforts of the Gates foundation is that they don't try to promote self-sufficiency in the target areas they're supposedly trying to help. For example, instead of simply trying to donate medicine why don't they try to set up labs that will manufacture the medicine within the country that needs it. It seems that even in his charity work Bill Gates has adopted the mindset of a proprietary software vendor, where even if a product is given away free, you're not given too much of a control over how it is to be used.

    1. Re:Teach them how to fish by Lennie · · Score: 1

      The foundation is about making money, Money for the foundation and the business partners.

      Please, just stop calling it a charity.

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  66. End result by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

    Has Bill really thought out his quest to it's logical conclusion? It's great if we can save lives and cure malaria, but then what? Who's going to feed these millions/billions of mouths? Aren't we just going to save them from disease only to have them die from starvation?

  67. this is familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this kinda like when Bill Gates said the internet will not change the world?

  68. Re:Still sour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much of your post requires citation. Who is the joke? Well ... you of course.

  69. Triffin Dilemma by NewYork · · Score: 1

    To really alleviate global poverty, every https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_world nation Currency should be pegged to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opec Oil for 4 years.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

  70. Planned Parenthood~~the elephant in the room by colonel+spalding · · Score: 1

    A great idea bot if we care about childen suffering ve also need to make contraception easily available. If a man fathers 13 kids of which he cannot properly take care of,feed, a vaccine Malaria is of much help.

    1. Re:Planned Parenthood~~the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if he were lucky enough to have his ancestors shipped abroad as slaves by his tribe to a place without malaria.

  71. Bill "McSwindler" Gates by davydagger · · Score: 1

    Translation: What I am doing is right, and whateveryone else is doing is wrong.

    I'd say he's slightly biased. I guess this is payback for people not liking him, or his products, or his predatory practices

  72. Internet a generation challenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years back, just having a PC in each home was a generation challenge. Indeed generation challenges are nothing but that...a challenge.

    Solving the world's problems is another thing. Internet access will not solve those issues like access to food, drinking water, health care and so on..

    I happen to agree with Gates (not my greatest hero) on this one. This is not a world challenge to save humanity but Zuckerberg's challenge in pursue of an increase in advertising revenue for Facebook.

    I don't think that either one is doing much for humanity, they are doing charity work, yes. But follow the money and you'll see the real intention behind this so called philanthropy.

  73. Re:Hey Bill? by The+Cat · · Score: 0

    They're generally paid much more than "permanent" employees.

    That's absolute pure fragrant BULLshit. Microsoft itself has admitted this fact under oath.

    Regardless, if you can't cut it for whatever reason, then find another line of work.

    If they can't cut it, then why did Microsoft hire them?

    There's no comparison between a IT contractor for MS and a kid starving to death in some shithole in Africa,

    Both are caused by the same kind of thinking. That's what makes poverty possible, asshole.