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North Korea Developing Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons

An anonymous reader writes "The Sydney Morning Herald reports, 'North Korea is using Russian technology to develop electromagnetic pulse weapons aimed at paralyzing military electronic equipment south of the border, according to South Korea's spy agency. The National Intelligence Service (NIS) said in a report to parliament that the North had purchased Russian electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weaponry to develop its own versions. EMP weapons are used to damage electronic equipment. At higher energy levels, an EMP can cause more widespread damage including to aircraft structures and other objects. The spy agency also said the North's leader Kim Jong-Un sees cyber attacks as an all-purpose weapon along with nuclear weapons and missiles, according to legislators briefed by the NIS.'" Let's not forget that North Korea has also achieved nuclear fusion, developed a super drink that can cure aging and disease, and found a "unicorn lair" last year.

191 comments

  1. Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all part of a plan to destroy the rest of the world by having the only part that doesn't use electronics. Thus they can set off a global EMP without consequence.

    Clever of them, isn't it?

    1. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by meerling · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, and they'd have to run an extension cord to South Korean for enough juice to run it in the first place. :P

    2. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why North Korea is Best Korea(c)!

      Little known fact - when they play Donkey Kong they use real donkeys. Their gaming industry is impervious to EMP.

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    3. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What?!? There are no donkeys in Donkey Kong! What a backwards place.

    4. Re: Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, they are going to use nuclear fusion to power the EMPs to use against the immortal unicorns who stole all the anti-aging super drink.

    5. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by flyneye · · Score: 1

      And he got the plans off the INTERNET!!!
      http://diymaketech.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-to-make-emp.html
      OMG I'm gonnna cover my house in tin foil!

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    6. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by jasper160 · · Score: 2

      More material for Team America II.

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    7. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and they'd have to run an extension cord to South Korean for enough juice to run it in the first place. :P

      You know what the communists said: "The imperialists and capitalists will bend over backwards to sell us the length of rope that we'll use to hang them." Or something like that. (I'm paraphrasing.)

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    8. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by cusco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In the 1970s the Soviets designed a simple EMP device that could be built in any machine shop inexpensively, and the plans have been in the wild since the fall of the Soviet Union. It's interesting that it's not used by the terriers, imagine what the effect would be on Wall Street or Las Vegas.

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    9. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I know that monkey. His name is Donkey."

      "Monkeys aren't donkeys! Quit messing with my head!"

    10. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Maybe no one notices because it doesn't work? Lots of people have been working on practical EMP weapons. Other than air burst nucs, nothing seems to be coming out of the research stage.

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    11. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Zcar · · Score: 1

      What kind of terrier? Boston, Jack Russel, Patterdale? And when did the dogs get EMP weapons?

    12. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the next logical step after the shark lasers.

    13. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by cusco · · Score: 2

      I suggest you look at flux compression generators. They've been around since the 1950s, fairly low tech and inexpensive to construct, the one that I've seen a plan for was supposed to have a nominal range of half a mile and would fit into a minivan.

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    14. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer a flux capacitor. Sure, only been around since the 80's but capable of handling 1.21 gigawatts.

    15. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You have to power it with plutonium though, and the Libyans got out of that market.

    16. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

      I suggest you look at flux compression generators. They've been around since the 1950s, fairly low tech and inexpensive to construct, the one that I've seen a plan for was supposed to have a nominal range of half a mile and would fit into a minivan.

      Are you sure you have not been watching Ocean's 11?

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    17. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Well,try a search, there seems to be even simpler plans.
      I remember seeing some on instructables.com a few months ago.
      Once you have the concept, I suspect scaling isn't a problem.

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    18. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Fuck ya!

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    19. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but they are single use only since they operate by compressing a magnetic field using conventional explosives.

    20. Re:Now we know why there's no electronics in NK by Optali · · Score: 1

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      JAMES: Make it double!
      JESSIE: To protect the world from devastation!
      JAMES: To unite all peoples within our nation!
      JESSIE: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
      JAMES: To extend our reach to the stars above!
      JESSIE: Jessie!
      JAMES: James!
      JESSIE: Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light!
      JAMES: Surrender now, or prepare to fight!
      MEOWTH: Meowth! That's right!

      Crap! Wrong team!

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  2. Bad idea by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't an EMP also fry all of the electronics owned by North Korean citizens....oh..wait.

    1. Re:Bad idea by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Now it all makes sense...

    2. Re:Bad idea by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Not if its directed.

      Sure, NK doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of pulling it off, but directed energy weapons are NOT a bad idea in principle, and if done correctly could be far more effective than projectile weapons.

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    3. Re:Bad idea by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      The laws of physics say otherwise. Kinetic energy weapons are far more effective than lasers within the limits of their range.

    4. Re:Bad idea by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Yep, there's a reason why directed energy weapon research in the US was linked to the SDI: you have to be outside of an atmosphere before they're worthwhile.

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    5. Re:Bad idea by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends on what you're trying to do.

      Consider America's modern soldier--or maybe a few years down the road. He's wearing radios and cameras, has computer-aided targeting systems, etc. How are the North Koreans going to compete against that kind of technology?

      On the other hand, if you could knock it out from a short distance away, you turn an effectively integrated military unit into a bunch of guys with guns. You level the playing field.

    6. Re:Bad idea by cusco · · Score: 2

      Or be at a closer range. If you want to fire at something 500 miles away you need to be out of the atmosphere because 1) your target is over the horizon, 2) the energy is dissipated in the atmosphere. Directed energy weapons are worthwhile if you're up close and line of sight, and EMP weapons (not the same thing) work through walls over short distances as long as the attacker keeps the inverse square rule in mind.

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    7. Re:Bad idea by minstrelmike · · Score: 2

      It does depend on what you're trying to do.
      America could take North Korea easily. But it couldn't take China which was one of the reasons the peninsula is split in two today.
      If you're China, the American soldier's radio and cameras are interesting artifacts but inconsequential.
      There are a million armed Russian soldier on China's northern border at all times.
      That sounds like a lot of people to everyone except the Chinese.

  3. Two cats and a wool sweater by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe even some wool socks if they're really pushing things.

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    1. Re:Two cats and a wool sweater by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe even some wool socks if they're really pushing things.

      Somewhere in translation, it was changed from Massive ESD to a much more threatening Massive EMP.

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  4. Think of the fun they could have by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

    As one of few nations in the world capable of functioning effectively without electricity. This could perhaps be the most interesting attack North Korea could ever make. Let's hope someone leaks the loction of the SMH servers to them.

    1. Re:Think of the fun they could have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Functioning effectively' is a pretty generous way of putting it.

    2. Re:Think of the fun they could have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the "rich" are dead. the rest? whatever.

  5. another victory for science! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing science isn't in Amer'ca's national intrests anymores!! Now Korean progress has no competition!!!

    1. Re:another victory for science! by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Judging from your grammar, i can understand your misgivings. But science in america us mostly about national interest now.

  6. It's all true by AbRASiON · · Score: 5, Funny

    The reality is the anti-aging drink, nuclear fusion and EMP weapons are all byproducts of the biggest find, which was of course the unicorn lair. Technology beyond your wildest dreams, the unicorns have always held it back from us.
    I for one hail our North Korean, unicorn riding overlords.

    1. Re:It's all true by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Funny

      As Stile learned, unicorns don't let just anyone ride them. You're likely to be sent off a cliff trying to clutch a fly who plays a harmonica if you dared to molest one in such a way.

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    2. Re:It's all true by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Funny

      A unicorn isn't so tough. Oh sure, it can call on all the deep magics of the land, storms, curses, the whole bit, but the solution is obvious: Take away its magic*—pop!—and now your vaunted unicorn is only a large, strong, intelligent animal that impales people.

      * this has not been conclusively proven impossible.

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    3. Re:It's all true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, that's the true reason they need the EMP device. It turns out strong electromagnetic pulses not only fry electronics, they also disable magic.

  7. No they aren't. by pspahn · · Score: 2

    If you want to know what they're up to in Pyong-yang, check out the Bing Maps sat photos of the promenade near the stadium.

    map

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    1. Re:No they aren't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bing? What's a carburetor company doing making maps?

      You should use Apple maps instead. At least they know what they're doing.

    2. Re:No they aren't. by pspahn · · Score: 2

      I would try it, but I can't seem to find a URL to access it. Do you have a link?

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    3. Re:No they aren't. by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      I would try it, but I can't seem to find a URL to access it. Do you have a link?

      Just Google it.

    4. Re:No they aren't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, does Microsoft pay well, psphan?

    5. Re:No they aren't. by pspahn · · Score: 1

      As the other comment said, there is better bird's eye imagery in bing in many cases, and in this specific case, 'better' being an awesome fucking image of the North Korean Army just doing a leisurely Tuesday stroll.

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  8. Size, range and much hype... by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

    You would need a huge conventional device if you wanted to create the press vision of destructive field at any useful strength over distance.
    Real military devices are hardened and ready by design for nuclear related EMP. The Swiss bunkers show planning for such events in the real world at a civilian bunker setting over many, many years.
    The other option is a low yield nuclear device with the desired characteristics - again something military devices are hardened and ready by design.
    Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_bomb to go after an electrical supply grid.
    So the military was always ready.

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    1. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They think they're ready. There always seems to be some kinks that need working out when things are put to use in the field. Have there ever been any EMP attacks?

    2. Re:Size, range and much hype... by hibji · · Score: 1

      And I assume that civilian installations are not EMP protected. I think blowing up a few key electrical utility installations can do a great deal of damage. Think a large fraction of the east coast for example without electrical power, and no ability to restore it for at least days if not weeks. I assume these EMP devices are not nuclear, so they would perhaps be easier to smuggle as well.

    3. Re:Size, range and much hype... by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

      A., one of the trends of the last several decades is much greater use of OTS (Off The Shelf) equipment in the military. That is just buying existing commercial equipment without all of the traditional MILSPEC type hardening that would have been done in the past. That has meant much quicker fielding times, and more current technology, but at the cost of much greater vulnerability to EMP and other associated effects. Some recent prime examples would be the tablet PCs the military is deploying, and various low level tactical communications gear. There are others.

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    4. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2

      Publicly? None that I'm aware of and it's an indicator I've been looking to for a while. Small-scale EMP is actually harder to achieve that large-scale. Toss a nuke on a rocket and get above the atmosphere before detonation is good enough for that attack. BTW, GP is correct. The military is far more prepared to handle either small-scale or large. Resetting our devices after such an attack was something I would have had to do, way back when.

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    5. Re:Size, range and much hype... by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Serbia, Iraq shows that the lights off out and stay off for a while. What can utility crews do? Race back to the supply depo and pick up a limited amount of just in time expensive stock and patch up a section of grid connected what?
      As for EMP in the real world - creating a useful field is the unique physics per device size or weight gets strange with expected range focused on military equipment thats shielded...
      There is no 'win' with easy with EMP unless you go nuclear to form the EMP. The huge conventional forces needed to create the 'needed' EMP will have more range than the produced EMP.

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    6. Re:Size, range and much hype... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      No more fancy Windows based digital map or point and tap network support? If junk consumer grade "equipment" has really made it much deeper into Western militaries - then LOL and congrats on the political skills of the contractors, their cash flow and marketing teams :)
      As for EMP if it worked it would be for sale, been tested in any of the small conflicts and found to be useful and be in mass production.

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    7. Re:Size, range and much hype... by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Funny

      Anyone thinking of using an EMP weapon against the US should carefully consider the consequences. It would almost certainly destroy any ability to use Powerpoint in the military, and as a result it is likely that military effectiveness of US forces could easily double.
       

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    8. Re:Size, range and much hype... by guttentag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      North Korea's real weapon is fear. Has been for decades.

      South Korea has the world's 15th-largest economy, but it is largely driven by electronics exports. North Korea has been threatening nuclear weapons for so long it's like the boy who cried wolf. The world knows the North is not going to resort to a nuclear strike unless something goes very, very wrong. So it needed a new, more-plausible boogie man. What better, and cheaper, to scare the world into giving it economic aid than the threat of an EMP strike that could cripple the South's economy? It wouldn't set the North back that far, and the world's response would be far less punitive than the response to a nuclear strike.

      Of course, it's quite likely the North lacks the ability to deliver an effective EMP weapon, just as it lacks the ability to deliver a nuclear strike on the U.S. But to the masses, its just believable enough thanks to Western media plot devices. Did your parents ever waste electricity leaving a night light on to keep the monsters away from your bed at night? They knew there were no monsters, but it was a small cost compared to having you spend the night in their room. Likewise, the North is betting that the first world governments would rather spend a token amount on aid than waste all their time trying to reassure their citizens that the EMP monster isn't really going to take away their TVs/smartphones/etc.

    9. Re:Size, range and much hype... by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      A., one of the trends of the last several decades is much greater use of OTS (Off The Shelf) equipment in the military. That is just buying existing commercial equipment without all of the traditional MILSPEC type hardening that would have been done in the past. That has meant much quicker fielding times, and more current technology, but at the cost of much greater vulnerability to EMP and other associated effects. Some recent prime examples would be the tablet PCs the military is deploying, and various low level tactical communications gear. There are others.

      Yeah and all the Chinese made electronic components in that hardened, MILSPEC gear that the US military use really helps, I'm sure.

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    10. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      North Korea's real weapon is fear.

      Fear, and ruthless efficiency. No one expect North Korea.

    11. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yet when the US tried it above Hawaii nothing really happened (a car might have stopped but that could of been unrelated).

    12. Re:Size, range and much hype... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I salute you my dear sir.

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    13. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't need an emp to do that. Just use a rpg, or even a couple of nicely placed sniper shots on the insulators of the outgoing lines, and they will be without power for quite a while.

    14. Re:Size, range and much hype... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Is there any law of physics that prevents making a semiconductor EMP bomb? I mean, we now have photolitho-produced electron accelerators...

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    15. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

      No no no, their main weapon is surprise, and fear. You must be new here.

    16. Re:Size, range and much hype... by toastar · · Score: 1

      I thought EPFCG's were rather simple devices?

    17. Re:Size, range and much hype... by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Small-scale EMP is actually harder to achieve that large-scale

      I'm not so sure. I saw a show on TV where they showed a working device and disabled a car with it.

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    18. Re:Size, range and much hype... by stymy · · Score: 1

      Seoul is close enough to North Korea that it can be hit with artillery. Hard to imagine them having nuclear weapons but lacking the ability to deliver a EMP weapon a few tens of kilometers away.

    19. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean SUE PWISE!

    20. Re:Size, range and much hype... by hax4bux · · Score: 1

      You owe me a keyboard

    21. Re:Size, range and much hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and an almost fanatical devotion to the Dear Leader.

  9. This should be encouraged by righteousness · · Score: 1

    You westerners should be happy. You've outlawed nuclear and chemical weapons, so you should be happy that the enemy is developing a weapon that damages equipment but doesn't directly harm human beings, shouldn't you?

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    1. Re:This should be encouraged by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2

      Actually, no. Remember that the West developed the Neutron Bomb which destroyed the people and left all that capital for ready use!

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    2. Re:This should be encouraged by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

      No country currently has an operational neutron bomb.

    3. Re:This should be encouraged by _merlin · · Score: 2

      No-one's actually shown that neutron bombs will work as intended. The high neutron flux would do all kinds of weird shit to building materials. Could make the entire city too radioactive to be useful.

    4. Re:This should be encouraged by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Informative

      They weren't meant for use inside cities anyway. They were for fighting mass tank formations while minimizing the destruction to West Germany. Minimizing, not eliminating: they still had large blast and thermal effects.

    5. Re:This should be encouraged by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Neutron tech is old and all the usual countries have the skill set.
      Some even dream of using them.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/lord-gilbert-neutron-bomb_n_2190607.html

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    6. Re:This should be encouraged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that EMP weapons are about as real as unicorns.

      It pretty much boils down to this: It is easier to know out a computer with a regular bomb than with an EMP weapon.
      Want a lot of electronics gone? Nuke it.

    7. Re:This should be encouraged by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      No-one's actually shown that neutron bombs will work as intended. The high neutron flux would do all kinds of weird shit to building materials. Could make the entire city too radioactive to be useful.

      Thats where you need a cobalt bomb...

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    8. Re:This should be encouraged by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Nah, cobalt bombs are for entire continents or planets,

    9. Re:This should be encouraged by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Nah, cobalt bombs are for entire continents or planets,

      They are going to be bloody handy when we've been at war with Eurasia so long everyone thinks "We have always been at war with Eurasia."

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  10. This just in from WikiLeaks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    **** TOP SECRET ****
    Supreme leader Kim Jong Un hereby commands his best scientists to use
    all of their resources to create EMP technology using his SUPER-SECRET
    INGENIOUS PLAN:

    1. Make "Electric"
    2. Make "Magnetic"
    3. Pulse them vigorously until the Western oppressors are humbled.

  11. And let's not forget... by subreality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's not forget that North Korea has also achieved nuclear fusion, developed a super drink that can cure aging and disease, and found a "unicorn lair" last year.

    And let's not forget that the US has achieved democracy, developed a universal healthcare plan to cure aging and disease, and found WMDs in Iraq.

    Our bullshit is more refined but equally pervasive.

    1. Re:And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >US has achieved democracy

      yes she actually has, and after world war II defended it even on other places like western europe (where i am from)

      the self loathing of the west (here in europe and in the U.S.), and the constant ridiculing of democracy is striking.

      if the motive for such comments is an expression of disappointment with some of the weaknesses of the current democratic system then ok i understand. But if somebody REALLY believes that our democratic system (with all its weaknesses) is "just as bad" as a dictatorship (like in north korea), then i can only suggest to pick up a history book and make a reality check

    2. Re:And let's not forget... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

      Who said that WMDs were found in Iraq?

    3. Re:And let's not forget... by KrazyDave · · Score: 0

      Let's hope that the US never "achieve(s) democracy." Democracy is mob rule. Our Founding Fathers had the forethought to create a Republic to protect us from tyrants who would fool the public into surrendering their freedom. Oh, wait. We have Obama.

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    4. Re:And let's not forget... by Ultracrepidarian · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness we have the Koch brothers to protect us from mob rule.

    5. Re:And let's not forget... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That the corporate democracy in the USA isn't as bad as a dictatorship doesn't mean it is the golden solution.
      No, from all that I can see the USA doesn't have a democracy anymore. It has corporate democracy and that is quite a different beast.

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    6. Re:And let's not forget... by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 1

      Who said that WMDs were found in Iraq?

       

      Well, NBC News for one...http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4997808/

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    7. Re:And let's not forget... by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Governments in the US change through elections by vote of citizens, not by votes of corporate boards. Democracy continues, and the American republic endures.

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    8. Re:And let's not forget... by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Has anyone ever claimed with a straight face that the US has "developed a universal healthcare plan to cure aging and disease"?

      I assume you're referring to Obamacare, but even its most strident supporters basically view it as a step in the right direction (i.e. towards single payer). And no one claims single payer (or any other health insurance system) "cures aging" or anything ridiculous like that. Just that's its more cost effective.

      There's plenty of ridiculous propaganda employed in the US. Like claiming that the natives didn't understand property so its totally okay that our ancestors stole their land. Or claiming that we saved Europe from two world wars. Or teaching all the evil shit done by the USSR while glossing over what the CIA was doing in that time period.

      No need to complain about non-existent propaganda when there's so many real examples. Unless, of course, you were just practicing some propaganda of your own.

    9. Re:And let's not forget... by margeman2k3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Governments might be chosen by the people, but it's the corporations who actually influence policy.

    10. Re:And let's not forget... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      A wide variety of individuals and groups can influence policy, such as unions, the ACLU, the NRA, American states, foreign governments, and many others.

      Any politician that doesn't suit the voters is subject to losing his or her job. Just one example:

      Colorado Recall Elections Chill Push for New Gun Laws

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    11. Re:And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the self loathing of the west (here in europe and in the U.S.), and the constant ridiculing of democracy is striking.

      But, but... to NOT loathe yourself and everything from the environment that you hail from, if you are white, is RACISM. </sarcasm>

    12. Re:And let's not forget... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They never actually claimed any of those things, they were just western propaganda designed to make them look silly. In contrast the US genuinely claimed that Iraq had WMD and started a huge international war effort based on that lie, killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process.

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    13. Re:And let's not forget... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      That the corporate democracy in the USA isn't as bad as a dictatorship doesn't mean it is the golden solution.
        No, from all that I can see the USA doesn't have a democracy anymore. It has corporate democracy and that is quite a different beast.

      Not quite; more corporate republic...

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    14. Re:And let's not forget... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Who said that WMDs were found in Iraq?

      An American citizen who had been in Syria fighting for the rebels was, on returning to the US, charged with using a 'weapon of mass destruction'. This was an RPG. If thats a WMD then FUCK YEAH WMDs were found in Iraq!

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    15. Re:And let's not forget... by Terrasque · · Score: 2

      The thing I don't like about the US democracy is that it's essentially false dilemma based. Yes, you do have more than two parties, but "everyone knows" that they will never get elected, and you can't let the other side win, so you "have" to vote on one of the two big parties.

      How much of a democracy is it when the choice is that limited? It's a soft limit, but still an effective limit.

      If North Korea let the people select from, say Kim Jong-un and (while he was alive) Kim Jong-il. Would that then be a democracy? If they technically allowed other people to run for Dear Leader, but manipulated the populace to only consider the two main candidates, would it then be democracy?

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    16. Re:And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If North Korea let the people select from, say Kim Jong-un and (while he was alive) Kim Jong-il. Would that then be a democracy?
      >If they technically allowed other people to run for Dear Leader,
      > but manipulated the populace to only consider the two main candidates, would it then be democracy?

      no it still would not be a democracy then for a number of reasons (lack of sound constitution, lack of basic human rights and essential freedoms, lack of independent legal system), and i don't think the analogy you are trying to construct is correct.

      listen, if you think there should be more than two parties in your country then all power to you, progress needs to be made of course (though i can tell you in most other countries only the top 2-3 count, anyway, so maybe not overrate that aspect)

      but the bottom line is i would not join the chorus that laments the U.S. is just a dictatorship like any other dictatorship. it's untrue, unjust and plays nicely into the hands of the real enemies of free society

    17. Re:And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Governments might be chosen by the people, but it's the corporations who actually influence policy.

      so? and it's the job of the people to vote for laws that allow what kind of influence is allowed or not. bribery is outlawed, campain contributions subjected to oversight, etc.

      what else would you propose in a free society? to disallow owners of companies to make their voice heard? who decides who may take part in the political discourse and who not?

    18. Re:And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know, I had this bizarre notion that corporations were organized groups of people, Of course, when the republitards start saying the same bullshit about unions, it's funny to point out the same thing, that unions are just groups of people.

    19. Re:And let's not forget... by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Corporations influence policies and voting.

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    20. Re:And let's not forget... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, the US exported democracy everywhere.

      It would have been nice, though, if they kept some for domestic use.

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    21. Re:And let's not forget... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      God forbid, that could lead to unions!

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    22. Re:And let's not forget... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget that the US has achieved democracy, developed a universal healthcare plan to cure aging and disease, and found WMDs in Iraq.

      Yes America has the best politicians money can buy

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    23. Re:And let's not forget... by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      There's absolutely no need for the west to fabricate these bizarre claims. Are you at all familiar with the KCNA?

      http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201211/news29/20121129-20ee.html

      This is an official mouthpiece of the DPKR. Read some stories on the site. It's some kind of bizarro world in which The DKPR is an embattled champion of freedom, and a really great place for the whole family!

      Why would the west need to bother? The DKPR does the job for us.

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    24. Re:And let's not forget... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      A corporation acts with the will of its bosses but with the resources of the entire organisation. By contrast all of your other choices (excepting despotic regimes) act with both the will and the resources of their constituents.

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    25. Re:And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >US has achieved democracy

      yes she actually has, and after world war II defended it even on other places like western europe (where i am from)

      the self loathing of the west (here in europe and in the U.S.), and the constant ridiculing of democracy is striking.

      if the motive for such comments is an expression of disappointment with some of the weaknesses of the current democratic system then ok i understand. But if somebody REALLY believes that our democratic system (with all its weaknesses) is "just as bad" as a dictatorship (like in north korea), then i can only suggest to pick up a history book and make a reality check

      I don't think he meant "just as bad". More like "just as full of shit".

    26. Re:And let's not forget... by rossdee · · Score: 1

      But "Corporations are people - WMR

    27. Re:And let's not forget... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Citation, please.

    28. Re:And let's not forget... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      One artillery shell that didn't work? That's all you've got?

    29. Re:And let's not forget... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And unions have unicorns. My God, we've just turned into North Korea *

      * The US and North Korea are the only countries stuck on the ICD 9 (International Classification of Diseases). Everybody else is on 10. Google is planning on launching 22 next week.

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    30. Re:And let's not forget... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's just a poor translation. The "unicorn" they are referring to is actually a Korean mythical creature that is more like a lion and has two horns. It is acknowledged to my mythical, although the king associated with the legend is a real historical figure. It's kind of like Kind Arthur in English mythology, based on a real person and with real archaeological evidence, but much of it mythical.

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    31. Re:And let's not forget... by Raenex · · Score: 1

      How much of a democracy is it when the choice is that limited? It's a soft limit, but still an effective limit.

      It's not a good example of a false dilemma when two choices are what practically arises. That's what happens when you have a winner-take-all system of voting.

    32. Re:And let's not forget... by ffflala · · Score: 1

      yes she actually has, and after world war II defended it even on other places like western europe (where i am from)

      Fair enough, but then that's only part of the picture. The US also undermined democracy, and continues to do so. Specifically, it funded military coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders, repeatedly, often with regimes that brutalized the populace. Take a look at our middle eastern allies: we've spent billions and decades ensuring that people named Saud retain royal power, for example. Iran used to be not only a democracy, but a fairly progressive country... until the US decided a Shah would make us more money.

      The reasons for these actions was a fear that the overthrown democracies would have pursued policies that (they think) would have reduced the economic strength of the US. The calculus was, apparently, that the pursuit of US economic interests was more important than the support of democracy.

      Given this demonstrated order of priorities --where the generation of material wealth for some is more important than representative government for all-- it's difficult to take claims of the US-as-defender-of-democracy seriously. In reality, the structure of foreign governments has always been a secondary concern to that of how much of a profit they can make for us. (And by "us", I mean those of us wealthy enough to afford lobbyists.)

    33. Re:And let's not forget... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And what do 9 and 10 mean?

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    34. Re:And let's not forget... by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      if you think there should be more than two parties in your country

      Actually, I think we got that covered.

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    35. Re:And let's not forget... by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      I think it's a good example, personally. Because you create a false dilemma in the voter's minds. I've seen many who say "I should vote for [minor party], but I can't waste my vote because then [the other major party] could win, and that would be terrible".

      And the media seem to do an excellent job of polarizing those two parties, and making people feel they have to choose sides.

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    36. Re:And let's not forget... by Raenex · · Score: 1

      It's not really a false dilemma, because as you said yourself, "It's a soft limit, but still an effective limit." The issue about not voting for the minor party is a real one, not something made up by the media.

      If you care about which party wins, and enough people don't vote your way, then in a very legitimate sense you are throwing your vote away. This was made obvious in the Gore vs Bush election. This is a direct consequence of the winner-take-all system.

    37. Re:And let's not forget... by 3.1415926535 · · Score: 1

      Bruce Schneier had a good essay on the nuances of what "WMD" means now. From a quote in the article,

      All artillery, and virtually every muzzle-loading military long arm for that matter, legally qualifies as a WMD. It does make the bombardment of Ft. Sumter all the more sinister. To say nothing of the revelation that The Star Spangled Banner is in fact an account of a WMD attack on American shores.

      https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/counterterroris_1.html

    38. Re:And let's not forget... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Bruce Schneier had a good essay on the nuances of what "WMD" means now. From a quote in the article,

      All artillery, and virtually every muzzle-loading military long arm for that matter, legally qualifies as a WMD. It does make the bombardment of Ft. Sumter all the more sinister. To say nothing of the revelation that The Star Spangled Banner is in fact an account of a WMD attack on American shores.

      https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/counterterroris_1.html

      Wow. It is truly newspeak. Doubleplus ungood.

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  12. Picture of results of first test? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    If they are copying Russian EMP weapons, that might explain something.

    I think I found a picture showing the results of one of their tests.

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    1. Re:Picture of results of first test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing results !

      I've seen it before, but now the whole picture make sense...

  13. so kim jong un is watching james bond movies by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Interesting
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    1. Re:so kim jong un is watching james bond movies by MarbleMunkey · · Score: 1

      Came here for this. First thing I thought of when I read 'using Russian technology'.

  14. What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given the frivolous nature of the comments on this article thus far it seems that few of you have ever considered the effects of a serious EMP attack on your way of life. The mere fact that NK can put something in orbit means they don't necessarily have to have the tech to deliver it to the us as you would a ballistic missile, but just wait for the oppotune time to de-orbit it. In addition, the US happens to be in a location where the earth's magnetic field can significantly enhance the effect of a NEMP. My admittedly hazy memory says the effect of catastrophic failure of US power infrastructure from a well placed NEMP was 70% of the population due to starvation, rioting and the other horsemen of the apocalypse. In addition, the estimate was decades to restore full services if you even could under such circumstances.

    1. Re:What are you smoking by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I think 70% of the population will die due to exageration. The other 99% will carry on as usual.

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    2. Re:What are you smoking by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2

      Given the frivolous nature of the comments on this article thus far it seems that few of you have ever considered the effects of a serious EMP attack on your way of life. The mere fact that NK can put something in orbit means they don't necessarily have to have the tech to deliver it to the us as you would a ballistic missile, but just wait for the oppotune time to de-orbit it. In addition, the US happens to be in a location where the earth's magnetic field can significantly enhance the effect of a NEMP. My admittedly hazy memory says the effect of catastrophic failure of US power infrastructure from a well placed NEMP was 70% of the population due to starvation, rioting and the other horsemen of the apocalypse. In addition, the estimate was decades to restore full services if you even could under such circumstances.

      Actually, I'm quite aware of what the effects may be. There's just not a whole lot anyone, except the military, can do. We're already quite prepared for the follow-on effects (Four Horsemen). Short of creating an absolute Faraday cage around the house here, something I've actually done before in uniform, not much anyone can do. Hmm..., thinking about it, perhaps a small Faraday cage for the life-saving electronics might be in order.

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    3. Re:What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think NK is still a fair way from being a credible EMP threat to the US. They are just barely able to do fission and put things in orbit now. Whether their device can be made small enough to put in orbit is anyone's guess. A NEMP which is small (1kt), efficient and well delivered could take out electronics and power systems for around 400km in radius. This would be pretty for a major industrial region but not fatal to the US. You would have much greater likelihood and risk from an X class solar flare- and at least you should get some warning of both events. Can't say I'd rely on the government for a decent response after Katrina.

      NK could try and smuggle a non-nuclear EMPinto the us but its range would be even more limited because they need to be pretty large and being up in the air helps a lot. More likely they'll try and piss off the US by attacking Sth K or Japan.

      You're right- not much you can do as a citizen to prevent a NEMP or solar flare, but you can make a few basic preps to give yourself an advantage over the masses.

    4. Re:What are you smoking by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately EMP is a genuine serious threat, and North Korea poses a potential threat not just to the US, but to Australia, Japan, and other nations as well.

      Inside the Ring: North Korean missiles deemed a serious threat to U.S.
      'North Korea's nuclear weapons could hit UK': Alarm at David Cameron's claim

      An EMP Could Cripple the U.S.

      An EMP is a torrent of electromagnetic energy that disrupts and destroys electronic devices within an affected area. As a result of such an event, most electrical devices would fail, most cars would cease functioning, airplanes would fall from the sky, and critical infrastructure—such as water and sewers, banking, energy, transportation, information technology, and others—would shut down.

      Importantly, the electrical components and transmission systems would be permanently destroyed, requiring enormous levels of repair and rebuilding. Huge swaths of the U.S. would be without even the most basic of services for years, and it could take decades to fully recover. The economic and human losses would be catastrophic.

      EMP Attacks—What the U.S. Must Do Now

      An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack represents one of the greatest threats imaginable—to the United States and the world. An EMP occurs when a nuclear device is detonated high in the atmosphere—a phenomenon of which America’s enemies are well aware. The electromagnetic discharge can permanently disable the electrical systems that run nearly all civilian and military infrastructures. A massive EMP attack on the United States would produce almost unimaginable devastation. Communications would collapse, transportation would halt, and electrical power would simply be non-existent. Not even a global humanitarian effort would be enough to keep hundreds of millions of Americans from death by starvation, exposure, or lack of medicine. Nor would the catastrophe stop at U.S. borders. Most of Canada would be devastated, too, as its infrastructure is integrated with the U.S. power grid. Without the American economic engine, the world economy would quickly collapse. Much of the world’s intellectual brain power (half of it is in the United States) would be lost as well. Earth would most likely recede into the “new” Dark Ages.

      A single nuke exploded above America could cause a national blackout for months.

      One EMP burst and the world goes dark

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    5. Re:What are you smoking by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      "effect of catastrophic failure of US power infrastructure from a well placed NEMP was 70%"
      An atomic weapon would do that been an "atomic" weapon. The EMP part is just a nice extra in the design... something the US mil knows of. Kind of hard to repair a grid that has to be decontaminated and clean expensive unique 'generational' spare parts rushed in...
      The US grid was build around the need for military and later nuclear production sites and energy sale interconnects added later.
      A big diverse network with many layers of equipment, maintenance standards, repair crews, some areas near black out and brown out stresses at many times.
      A conventional EMP would be like a bit city in summer or winter storms having an issue - known and well modelled for every year by very skilled staff over the US and Canada.
      Too many people gambling, big winter storm or long term summer heat wave does not impact the wider US grid in big bad ways all the time.

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    6. Re:What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of shit is in places hardened against EMP. Usually it's actually to protect against solar events, eavesdropping, and to prevent excessive RF from polluting the spectrum and pissing off the feds. Any type of EMP weapon capable of generating enough shit to get through regular shielding is going to be nuclear in nature, and in that case the problem isn't the EMP it's the blast/heat wave.

    7. Re:What are you smoking by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Funny

      'North Korea's nuclear weapons could hit UK': Alarm at David Cameron's claim

      I just want to point out that "alarm at David Cameron's claim" is actually "alarm that UK PM is delusional."

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    8. Re:What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now I have to know that there is a physicist out there called Yousaf Butt.

    9. Re:What are you smoking by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Have you thought about not antagonizing them? Your navy parades around, dick in one hand and ruler in the other, every year just off their coast. Wouldn't you feel a bit threatened if NK warships did that off the United States' west coast?

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    10. Re:What are you smoking by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      I'd be genuinely alarmed that Cameron's leadership has left us so feckless that a tiny, technologically backwards nation on the other side of the globe was an existential threat. How bad do you have to be at your job that North Korea is near the top of the threats list?

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    11. Re:What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark Angel already shows what happens when the US is hit by an EMP. It all becomes East London but with slightly better policing.

    12. Re:What are you smoking by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I'd be genuinely alarmed that Cameron's leadership has left us so feckless that a tiny, technologically backwards nation on the other side of the globe was an existential threat. How bad do you have to be at your job that North Korea is near the top of the threats list?

      You have to be delusional, that was my point.

      Cameron, and anyone who believes that NK is near the top of the threats list of the UK, is delusional.

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    13. Re:What are you smoking by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      We wouldn't feel threatened at all. We'd just call it 'target practice'.

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    14. Re:What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh For sure!!! DUH!

      "Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institution—a think tank—whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense. "

      No potential for warmongering bias and defence contractor kickbacks there! Not at all!

    15. Re:What are you smoking by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      Heh, shill propaganda from The Heritage Foundation (far-right think tank, fearmongering to promote US military-industrial boondoggles) --- given who is saying this, I'd take these articles as a comforting indicator of the nonexistence of a North Korean EMP threat.

    16. Re:What are you smoking by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Observe that all the discussion of what causes it appears to be a nuclear attack. Once that happens, it's no more Mr. Nice Superpower like we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. The people in charge of North Korea presumably have a pretty good idea what happens to them in that case. I'm not worried.

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    17. Re:What are you smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "most cars would cease functioning'

      I wonder if the fact that many cars are parked in garages most of the time would protect them since homes are riddles with wires and could possibly act as faraday cages. I know I can't get GPS and some phone signals in my home, yet 2 feet from the door I have good connectivity.

    18. Re:What are you smoking by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Can't say I'd rely on the government for a decent response after Katrina.

      The Katrina clusterfuck wasn't because of "the government" it was because first, the Louisiana politicians are almost as crooked as Illinois politicians, and second, Bush appointed a someone to running FEMA who had nowhere near the qualifications to do the job. Brownie isn't running FEMA these days, I haven't heard about such clusterfucks since he left, and we've had lots of big disasters since.

  15. No electronics in NK anymore by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    Imagine the Dear Leader's reaction when his Samsung Galaxy cell phone, Samsung TV and Samsung laptop computer all stop working at the same time: It is a South Korean plot to sabotage the NK!

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    1. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're funny.. but the truth is much much closer to this.

      North Korea is all bluff and bluster. I've never seen a more faithful reenactment of The Animal Farm. There is a ruling class there that has all the shiny toys and entertainment from the "evil" imperialist countries. Why would they ever risk losing their own life styles for ideals that are nothing more than lip service?

    2. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically I myself am developing an anti-gravity drive, FTL warp drive, an Immortality Treatment, limitless energy reactor which takes no fuel, power suits, and sharks with frikken lasers. (None of them are past the initial Conceptual stage as of yet, but dammit I'm working on it!)

    3. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by Angeret · · Score: 1

      Regardless of current development status, all I can say is this Anonymous Coward BEST Anonymous Coward! Take that!! all you false Anonymous Coward.

    4. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      He'll be fine as long as he keeps them inside a Faraday cage :)

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    5. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by monzie · · Score: 2

      I would say it's closer to 1984. It almost looks like their Eternal President took 1984 and said "hey let's implement this". Coincidentally - North Korea came into being the same year as 1984 was first published.

    6. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, 1984 is more the US style...

      Talking about 1984... There is now a Ministry of Hapiness in Venezuela

    7. Re:No electronics in NK anymore by Optali · · Score: 1

      Can you translate that into common English?

      I think there is some hidden meaning in there but I am afraid that we who love outside of the Redneckian Empire aren't too well informed about your culture's specificities.

      Making a guess on what I mostly find in Google and Youtube regarding your race's culture I assume that you are talking about the illuminati conspiracy and the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus together with a smart reference against abortion making fun at the same time against those who claim the world is older than 6000 years and calling all the True Christian White Patriots to the arms against the Antichrist Obama...

      I'm I right?

      Please give me feedback, I'm trying to learn your language for scientific purposes. Thanks mate ;)

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  16. Subway data? by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 1

    Hell, I've got subway data from Boston. Pay no attention to mbta.com, North Korea - I will sell you detailed subway schedules and maps of the entire Boston area for the paltry sum of $1m. Cash. Not fake cash. Up front. Bring a USB key.

    1. Re:Subway data? by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 1

      Addendum: Just to throw the capitalist pigdogs off the trail, I will triple-crypto-encode the various lines using colors: Red, Orange, Blue, Green, and Silver. With some purple too, if you want the commuter rail, but do not think for an instant that that won't cost you extra.

  17. Hopefully... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    they will function as well as their missiles. Well, probably.

    1. Re:Hopefully... by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Now if they can just develop breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

  18. Let's not forget... by mmontour · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's also not forget that North Korea successfully launched a satellite into a stable polar orbit (higher than the ISS). That first payload was a bit of a dud, but they have a proven ability to send a package over any part of the Earth's surface.

    1. Re:Let's not forget... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they might hit China if they aim for us. They are a blind kid at a shooting range firing a shooting competition, hitting spectators behind the firing range. If life were Star Wars, NK would be Imperial Stormtroopers, who couldn't hit a target the size of the broad side of an Executor Class star destroyer if they were 20 meters away.

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  19. Now here's what REALLY happened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. Idiot Jong Faeces-for-brains had his people photoshop up an iPhone 3 so that it LOOKS like an EMP weapon. Just like the stealth fighter that couldn't fly and the giant versions of certain party members visiting an old people's home.

    I'll believe this when they actually manage to deploy something more powerful than an obviously-faked picture.

  20. Could be worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could be a strong nuclear force pulse weapon.

  21. Parrot without understanding by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

    "At higher energy levels, an EMP can cause more widespread damage including to aircraft structures and other objects."

    What is this about? I looked into it and it is actually something the media is copy pasting from wikipedia. The original quote from wiki also includes the extra words "At higher energy levels, an EMP event such as a lightning strike can cause more widespread damage to aircraft structures and other objects."
    Can someone who knows the science explain this to me? Can an EMP weapon actually damage the structure of an aircraft? Obviously 'other objects' is just stupid no matter how you look at it, my farts can damage 'other objects'.

    1. Re:Parrot without understanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone who knows the science explain this to me? Can an EMP weapon actually damage the structure of an aircraft? Obviously 'other objects' is just stupid no matter how you look at it, my farts can damage 'other objects'.

      Yes and no. To create an EMP pulse strong enough to be usable the current induced in the aircraft hull will melt it.
      The problem is that it is much easier to build and deploy nuclear devices that level the surface of the entire Earth.
      Also, a regular bomb outputs a pretty nifty EMP but we don't worry much about that because the mechanical force will destroy the electronic devices before they are fried.

      Essentially EMP weapons are only realistic in a scenario where the enemy is so technologically advanced and have such a superior arsenal that they can nuke you into oblivion. In that scenario they might decide to spend more resources and try to risk deploying EMP weapons that take out your electronics without killing you.

    2. Re:Parrot without understanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lightning can damage aircraft - a million ampere is common, and can melt aluminium. If it lasts long enough.

      If your EMP weapon can do that - sure it can do structural damage to aircraft. A nuke done right will make an EMP powerful enough for some lightning - but that will only happen close to the nuke where you don't want to be in a plane anyway.

      EMP is an electromagnetic effect, and is weakened by distance according to inverse square laws. Get 10x farther away from the nuke (or any other kind of EMP weapon) and the effect will be 1/100.

  22. It's trivial to develop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But a tad more difficult to deploy or aim a flux compression generator

  23. How come we dont give Chechnya, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something just as nasty.

  24. To make N. Korea by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Even more repulsive.

  25. Didn't you know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    North Korea has stealth bombers flying over the US 24 hours a day! Hell they've had an Iron Man suit 12 years ago.

  26. Ewh by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1, Funny

    You use bing?

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    1. Re:Ewh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bing has a lot of better map imagery for many places.

    2. Re:Ewh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you some sort of whore for google?

    3. Re:Ewh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to /. home of google's whores.

    4. Re:Ewh by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      For most places that I've looked at, Bing has better "bird's eye" imagery then Google has at maximum zoom level. If you're just looking for basic satellite imagery, directions, etc I prefer Google Maps, but if you want the best detail, I think Bing is better.

      Everything else Bing-related sucks though.

  27. Re:more worried with my nextdoor DEW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgot to mention:
    - Im in Brazil, south America;
    - an inflatable pillow|matress with water (or better, gel) helps a lot;
    - they can fry electronics too :/

  28. Mini EMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a mini EMP in my house. If I walk accross the carpet and touch my mouse, the shock shuts down my computer. :)

    1. Re:Mini EMP by guruevi · · Score: 1

      You should check the grounding on your computer chassis or your house.

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    2. Re:Mini EMP by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, you should simply make sure you have an adequate supply of tin foil.

      Kids these days.....

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  29. Well said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well said, as I wait for powerpoint to load on my work computer, because they used powerpoint for a splash screen to advertise the CFC, when the computer is already failing to log in.

  30. EMP.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the North Koreans heard EMP, they thought everyone meant Early Morning Pottybreak and they're all struggling for a simultaneous launch...

  31. The Korean War never officially ended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the rest of the world moved on, North Korea has still been fighting the Korean War all these decades later.

    The war is officially only in a "time-out" period so North Korea has been taking the opportunity to regroup while building up defenses and offenses.

    North Korea doesn't realize that nobody is really interested in invading them.

    1. Re:The Korean War never officially ended by koan · · Score: 1

      I would like to be there when you realize the NK is a metaphor for all of humanity.

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  32. Also by koan · · Score: 1

    Candy Mountain is in NK near the unicorn lair.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGYh8AacgY

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  33. Good lolz but it's all bullshit by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    The only EMP weapons that can cause damage on a scale greater than "annoying" are nukes set off in the upper atmosphere.

    Try using one of those, NK, and come back and tell us about all the non-glassed land you don't have.

    Most they could do is build some EPFCGs and drop them on the US from balloons WW2 Japan-style, to black out a few city blocks.

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  34. They also claim self-buttering toast by kimvette · · Score: 1

    They also claimed self-buttering toast but really that was my invention. I never brought it to market because the bread market bullied me and took the patents. If it weren't for that powerful lobby you could be enjoying my yummy toast for breakfast as you cruise to work in your water-fueled self-driving flying car which was also stopped by powerful lobbies. >_>

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  35. What does this weapon do? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Is it powerful enough to zap a car radio, thereby make the people inside die from boredom?

    1. Re:What does this weapon do? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Radio? How old are you?

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  36. Is that everyone in the country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Standing there?

  37. im sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets not be to judgmental if you remove the door from a microwave oven put it on a stick turn it on and point it at your stuff im sure bad things may happen.

  38. North Korea played this game by Cito · · Score: 1

    North Korea launches EMP satellite and invades US :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeQWWKKvq4

  39. Re:More Slashdot propaganda by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 1

    Captain!!! Heavy Derptrino Flux Detected!

  40. His name was a killing word ... by Dabido · · Score: 1

    Maub Dib ... er Kim Jong-Un!!! *ZAP*

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  41. And this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is why we should take NK out. Their antics are ridiculous, and they are a threat, bluff and bluster or not.