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GIMP, Citing Ad Policies, Moves to FTP Rather Than SourceForge Downloads
Dangerous_Minds writes "GIMP, a free and open source alternative to image manipulation software like Photoshop, recently announced that it will no longer be distributing their program through SourceForge. Citing some of the ads as reasons, they say that the tipping point was 'the introduction of their own SourceForge Installer software, which bundles third-party offers with Free Software packages. We do not want to support this kind of behavior, and have thus decided to abandon SourceForge.' The policy changes were reported back in August by Gluster. GIMP is now distributing their software via their own FTP page instead." Note: SourceForge and Slashdot share a corporate parent.
Get a torrent up, many of us will seed for the community.
Haven't been impressed by SourceForge's recent policy of late- especially when I unclick the 'free software' offers attached to each download, yet they install anyway!
Sourceforge is garbage now.
then certainly the open source community would appreciate bundled bullshit too!
Laughter is the Spackle of the Soul.
I don't really care about GIMP, but I'm sorry, SourceForge, your glory days are over.
BTW, anyone know a reason not to host small projects on BitBucket?
I can't get enough iLivid installs! That and another Ask! toolbar! Sign me up!
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
"Note: SourceForge and Slashdot share a corporate parent."
This whole installer hi-jacking is unacceptable. "OpenSource" just loose serious credibility.
GIMP can't do CMYK, so WHO CARES??
The majority of people that do graphics for web, not print?
As a fellow SourceForge user, I was also outraged when I noticed this. SourceForge used to be the go-to place if you had an Open Source project you wanted hosted. They've lacked focus for some time, making all sorts of failed changes that only bloated their surface area without bringing any actual benefit. Perhaps the screws are to them to become profitable. Slashdot's semi-recent foray into HTML5 randomness and video-ads-as-articles shows similar direction.
They've lost a lot of their user base, are bleeding what they've still got, and potential new users are almost universally going to GitHub and the like. It's a bit depressing.
bring back the gopher! I might have to host a Gopher server just to put Gimp on there.
That's the first smart move they've made since the whole export Vs. save Vs. save as Vs. overwrite Vs. CTRL-S thing.
Note: SourceForge and Slashdot share a corporate parent.
Good to know I can blame the decline of two great sites on the same company.
Just saw this today. Guess SourceForge has gone to the dark side. Sad Really.
Just... bravo.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
or just want a (really) inexpensive program that can do layers.
It does everything else with 100% cost savings. I'm not paying Adobe near a thousand bucks for 2 features (CMYK and 16bit depth), that I can get by using a few other open source odds and ends in conjunction with Gimp.
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
...unless you're running an iron-clad adblocker. It's like Vegas on every page and especially for downloads.
This is why people have been migrating to GitHub and bigger projects have been consolidating into major OSS players that can afford their own servers/presence (ex: Apache, Mozilla, etc). I'm surprised so few established projects use BT as their primary distribution channel considering all you need to do is run a BT daemon on your server to seed it. In the worst case, you use the same amount of bandwidth, while in the best others reduce your load.
All web companies that act as intermediaries eventually become the ad-infested hell-holes that they replaced as they try to turn greater and greater profits out of their properties. Tucows and most gaming news sites from the late 90s are prime examples.
sf.net was the only project host which still offered release downloads. Not every project can afford a deviated download solutions for all their releases.
Now that sf.net has been compromised, what alternative are there?
It's quite ridiculous considering that the sf.net download mirrors are sponsored.
What is happening with Sourceforge is truly sad. Some of these third party offers are no more than browser hijackers.
-Ron Scubadiver, Independent Photojournalist
People who don't want to have to pay a monthly Photoshop bill care...
Please inform your "corporate parent" that installer hijacking is a dick move.
but not adjustment layers
Do they have separate installers for every conceivable operating system or something?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Or who wants their personal info well protected...
Even legitimate photoshop users never pay that much for it, unless you need the whole package with everything Adobe makes for corporate customers or whatever.
There's always a way to get it cheaper. When I bought it, it was via the discount you get when buying a wacom tablet, which you probably want anyway. The upgrade was like 350 or something from there...
or style layers.
I have a project on Sourceforge and it just uses it's own installer (Nullsoft). So, I would assume that you have a choice to use the adware installer, or not if you don't want to.
True, Linux distributions and OpenOffice/LibreOffice appear to be the biggest users of torrent among free software projects. I can guess three reasons for this. First, not all free software projects have releases as big as those, and torrent isn't really optimized for small files. Second, people not already using a torrent client or a GNU/Linux distribution that preinstalls a torrent client would have to download both a torrent client and the project. Third, a lot of organizations block torrent but not regular HTTPS or HTTP downloads, and even a user who can run a torrent client might not be able to open an incoming TCP port. Cloud delivery networks (CDNs) give some of the same benefits as torrent hosting without these same problems.
It doesn't support tracking cookies.
There are lots of other low cost pixel editors that compete with Photoshop. Since Adobe's moron move to the "Creative Cloud" (which may represent a state of mind among Adobe executives rather than a description of the system which is simply Software As A Service) thousands of photographers have been ditching PS. Corel's Paintshop Pro, while commercial software is less expensive than PS. Paintshop even does layers, 16 bit and CMYK output.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I truly hope they don't migrate to FTP only. Using it as their *canonical* download might be ok, but as plenty of other people have mentioned, FTP is a bit outdated. Really, if you're already migrating to a dedicated host, why not use HTTP? And put a BT link up for the majority of us with a client already installed.
(using BT as the sole source isn't really a good solution for folks who don't have admin rights to install a BT client, such as on my work box here)
I used to use Adobe software until very recently, because my main usage for graphics software was editing my own photographs. I take photos with a proper camera that will use a data format that has more than 8 bits per pixel and does not have lossy compression in the device. Fortunately, darkroom is now good enough to use so I won't have to. If I ever should want to "photoshop" my photos, fortunately Gimp will have RAW support in the next release. To be honest, I haven't looked at CMYK yet, but I really hope that it will have support for that too.
The arrogance that somehow millions of people that are actually prepared to pay for good software because it has features that FOSS doesn't have aren't potential users is really beyond my comprehension. Cost savings aren't just in a license fee, they are in the quality of the final product, fetching a better price, and in the time saved having a better work flow. Darktable has "just started" if you compare it to the time gimp has been around and already I see several serious photo enthusiast people use it for serious work. Since I've got it running with openCL, I haven't started Adobe Lightroom, even though Darktable is still in the "very active development" stage. Again, I don't know about CMYK since I'm not in the printing business, but given the amount of people forking out money to Adobe, I'm sure there will be plenty of shops willing to try Gimp and even donate if it will have proper CMYK and professional color profile support. Get of your high horse and start looking at improvements that will make the app better than what's available. Don't tell people they don't need it just because you yourself don't; it's degrading and makes FOSS look bad. FOSS has a good place in the server room and partially on mobile. The reason it hasn't on the desktop is partially because apps like this just aren't "the best you can get". Visicalc and WordPerfect sold millions of hardware+OS kits, just because of the one application, the rest was mediocre at best. Linux needs a few of those applications too to finally push Windows off it's pedestal.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
I think "release downloads" was supposed to include binaries for the Windows operating system. It's sort of hard to get end users to buy Microsoft Visual Studio in order to compile your application from source in order to try it.
Photoshop CS2 is free, and it's better than GIMP even though it's nearly a decade old. There's no reason at all to use GIMP unless you are using Linux or morally oppose closed-source software.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Am I the only one who noticed that while once upon a time, SourceForge were great, that it's declining popularity (no thanks to Google Code and Github) and falling website hits forced them to put up more, spammier, scammier ads?
Then about a year or so ago, they went full-AOL, and the standards of the ads dropped dramatically, with misleading 'download button' ads leading to dodgy downloads; their hits must've dropped further, necessitating even more, even scammier ads.
Looks pretty much like a tailspin to me. Too bad, because Sourceforge was one of the first and best Open Source hosting platforms at one stage.
If I were in charge of it, I'd just take it out behind the shed and put it out of its misery.
Though nowadays you just click on ftp://... link and get the right file right away. So I am not sure the file listing problem matters that much.
It will.... very soon now.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
To Do: Add tracking cookie support to FTP.
It makes sense, though. You'd still offer HTTP and FTP downloads while making BT the first choice. Those that don't have BT clients would get them. Most people have them, anyway.
But the "cloud" delivery will either cost more or eventually slide down the slippery slope toward SourceForge and Tucows. We're trying to be economical for a project that is likely not funded well enough to pay much in the way of services.
CS2 crashes frequently on Windows... takes longer to start up, especially on lower end PCs, and doesn't seem to leave a user with any option to permanently bypass product registration, nagging the user every single time it starts up until they do.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Or tinted layers with a volumizing mousse cut in an attractive bob.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
The FSF run their own project hosting website at http://savannah.nongnu.org/
I suspect it's about to become rather more popular.
And yet it is still better than GIMP, a fact that is utterly pathetic.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Sourceforge new motto?
Why on earth would you use FTP in this day and age? It's garbage designed for pre-Internet networks. It doesn't even define how file listings work, clients have to use heuristics to guess at how to interpret them. It's got a weird two-connection model that doesn't play nice with firewalls. It should have died a long time ago.
What would you use?
Agreed, plus ImageMagick has a way better user interface.
and doesn't seem to leave a user with any option to permanently bypass product registration, nagging the user every single time it starts up until they do.
You have a 6-digit slashdot ID.
I would think that someone with one would have been around the block long enough to know how to set up a disposable email account, like 10-minute-mail.
http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html
You're welcome.
CS2 crashes frequently on Windows...
On what version? It runs just fine in FLP.
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Paint.NET also does layers and is free for both private and commercial use. Yes, you must be running Windows but for all of us that do it's a huge step up from MS Paint in functionality, GIMP in usability and Photoshop in simplicity. I've found it to cover pretty much all my needs, those thing I'd like to do that I've found hard to do haven't been any easier in GIMP.
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I disagree. GIMP is way faster, you can run it from a portable usb drive without even needing to install anything, and requires far less memory resources. Photoshop is bloated with features that are unnecessary for most types of digital image editing, but still take up all of the same space.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Too bad Slashdot has them as a dance partner in this slow march to hell.
One should not have to do that in the first place... if I say that I do not want to register, I shouldn't be forced to always mean something like "remind me later".
Oh, and the version of Windows that I found CS2 always crashed on was XP.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Those that don't have BT clients would get them. Most people have them, anyway.
Any reliable stats as to this?
Please to tell how to get 16 bit color depth in GIMP???
That bundling of crapware really pissed me off badly. Open source things are not supposed to be doing that.
I was user 341 at Sourceforge, 14 years ago.
I always liked the SF.net idea. This is kinda sad to see happening.
But enough crying over spilt milk.
* Don't use Dice, don't hire folks using Dice.
* Move your own projects off sourceforge.
* If you need a project from sourceforge email them and ask them to avoid the download jacking by moving their project if possible
* Support other providers who play fair.
* If you use a website reputation tool, mark sf appropriately.
Ouch. I'm not sure I want to download anything from a site with open sores. Are they using some sort of new HTML5 <oozy/> tag? Is there a browser plugin to protect against that?
"Nowadays"? I remember that as being a feature of Mosaic circa 1993.
Yeah, i doubt that something called the File Transfer Protocol even works these days : )
Side-note: They still offer an http download link about 50px left of the ftp one.
http://soylentnews.org/~tibman
Since Adobe's moron move to the "Creative Cloud" (which may represent a state of mind among Adobe executives rather than a description of the system which is simply Software As A Service) thousands of photographers have been ditching PS. Corel's Paintshop Pro, while commercial software is less expensive than PS. Paintshop even does layers, 16 bit and CMYK output.
I have to question that. All previous DVD versions of CS thru CS6 continue to run as is with no additional money required. Only when you want new features beyond CS6 do you have to start with the Adobe monthly fee or move to an alternative. Like MSWord since probably Word 95, if not 6, PS has been so over-featured for most users that what more do you need that they haven't already thought of and included? So why would anyone dump an already paid-for program to learn a new one? My guess is that they're just not getting new users nearly as much as before.
The favorite boast I hear from many PS users with personal copies (when the company is paying the bill it's a whole different matter, of course) is who is using the oldest version of PS and is still completely happy with it. This week it was a PS5 (not CS5 -- PS5) user. Personally I used PS7 for a long time until I was given a copy of CS1, and am now only on CS3, where I will likely live for a good long while now.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
What kind of system are you editing graphics from where you need to run GIMP from a portable USB drive? To be honest, I'm seriously doubting you do much editing of digital images.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You should be ashamed. An installer? Unfreekin believable.
An abomination.
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Install-free is always nice to have because you can do it anywhere... you aren't restricted to only doing it at one computer.
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Well, I am on Linux, and while I don't morally oppose using closed-source software, per se, I don't trust it for a tool, and I am morally opposed to most of the EULAs that such software tends to attach.
OTOH, for a game I see no reason to object to closed source software, but I still object to intrusive EULAs. (Reasonable terms are one thing, but abusive requirements are something totally else. If I can't install it, I'm not interested. And if there's a requirement that calling home is allowed, I want my money back. I run closed source software in a virtual machine with no internet connectivity.
My attitude is due to many past experiences with companies that I thought were reasonably trustworthy. But every day I seem to encounter another story saying that I'm still overly trusting.
OTOH, if you are already running MSWind or Apple, then you've already signed away all your rights. (You *did* read the EULA didn't you?) Anything you do on the computer, they have the right to copy off, and then delete or silently modify your copy. That they don't do this is a business decision on their part, because users of those systems have signed away permission. IANAL, so I can't say that they have the right to use your images for commercial gain. (Well, and I also haven't seen an EULA from either MS or Apple in over a decade. They could have changed things.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Well that doesn't answer the question I asked, but you have further confirmed my suspicion that you don't edit digital images very often.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
This is why Content Keeper classifies sourceforge as Malicious,Computing/IT (Global) and why my corporate firewall has blocked access to it.
Yeah, there are plenty of good, practical reasons to use open source. So many, especially for programmers.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
one installed some two a 3rd party program even though I thought I unchecked them. One was a backup program or something. another one installed silently. all of a sudden I saw a program update occurring like one minute after I ran the main installer. i used system restore to delete the unwanted programs.
I agree with most of what has been said.
As nasty as that is, I'm pleasantly surprised Slashdot (Dice) ran this. Somebody has character to approve this story. I hope it doesn't get them fired for telling the truth.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/buying-guide.html
you will pay a thousand bucks in 4 years... if you're lucky and you don't pay the spending limit of your credit card ;))DDDD
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Libre/OSS has no business being in bed with ad networks. It taints the ecosystem. I use libre/oss precisely to avoid commercial (mis)behaviour in software. As a policy, I block all ads, tracking, web beacons, http(s) referring, etc. I like a clean ecosystem, not one tainted with the constant desire for money. I use and support independent GNU/Linux/libre/oss software vendors to keep commercial-free software alive. I will gladly donate to a worthy cause.
This is what too many on /. don't get. It's not about whether or not YOU can access the appropriate installer. Of course you can, else chances are greater than not that you wouldn't be here.
The question is about the ordinary folk and I'm sorry, they aren't going to use bittorrent.
The question was "What kind of system are you editing graphics from where you need to run GIMP from a portable USB drive?"
A system that I don't necessarily have permanent use of, and wish to do editing on without having to install anything.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
For any 16bit depth work (on photos) try RawTherapee. Its a FOSS alternative to Lightroom, it's resource heavy but otherwise its fantastic.
+5 sad, funny, true, insightful, and wtf-gimp-get-into-at-least-the-90s-already-please
It's not like bandwidth is expensive any more, GIMP can easily put up its own FTP server. I'd rather see it as bittorrent and maybe that will happen. In any case, sourceforge has outlived its utility, and is being run into the ground.
Why on earth would you use FTP in this day and age?
Maybe their HTTP host doesn't support resuming downloads. Maybe they have free quota on their FTP. Maybe it works so who cares?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I have three projects on SourceForge. Fortunately, none of them release an executable, so SourceForge's drive-by installer doesn't corrupt my projects. But I'll move one project off of SourceForge soon.
Is GitHub still OK?
Where I work, anything as cheap as $1,000 is dwarfed by the red tape it takes to buy it. Jumping through hoops to get a deal would make the red tape much worse and the whole process cost even more, so yeah, sometimes you pay full price because it's cheaper than trying to get a discount.
GIMP is a terminally retarded toy. Every second you use it it feels like fighting with windmills. Say you have a greylevel png you want to turn into transparency (for use as avatar). Clone the channel as alpha? Well... simple tasks must not have straight-forward solutions, hurray for teh gimp, you are the king!
If someone has any recommendations for a capable photo editor, that can work with logos, etc., please, I'm all ears. F**k teh gimp!
I was trying to draw a white square around a logo yesterday. My two standby's let me down:
Paint for Windows 7 killed the gif file by adding ugly, unprofessional dithering that killed my site logo. I noticed just seconds before uploading to the site.
Loaded up trusty GIMPshop since I recall it didn't previously mess up my transparencies as badly as paint... and didn't find the outline tool... wait, you there's not even a straight LINE tool in it, google? you must combine obscure selection tools with some hidden stroke options just to draw a few lines? what? why does paint do this better?
supposedly this is because gimp is an editor rather than a drawing program. No wonder they take us free software fans as a joke. This is not something I'd notice day to day until I ran into it, and I'd lose face to a professional asking for help skirting the PS price barrier
Sourceforge was meant to help open-source software, not hinder its use! What happened?
I like to post detailed instructions on how to do things that include cut&pasteable commands (if anything, for my own sake), and since sourceforge removed direct download links to source files I have had to mirror them on my own servers just so that the instructions can be used. Sad. How many projects are now wasting their valuable time working around sourceforge's decisions?
TODO: 753) write sig.
Wrong. You obviously haven't compared the two side-by-side. On my system (2.34 Ghz QuadCore) GIMP takes 8 seconds to load from cache. Photoshop CS6 opens in half the time, just 4 seconds. Filters on a 3648x2736 image: 64 pixel Gaussian Blur: GIMP 7.6 seconds, PS 0.8 seconds. Add RGB noise, maximum setting: GIMP 6 seconds, PS 0.7 seconds. Not to mention GIMP doesn't have GPU acceleration so panning and zooming is noticeably laggy and slow. After you undo a filter, it takes almost a full second for the image to change. You can actually see the previews image scan down from top to bottom. On Photoshop the undo operation is instant. Just about anything you do in GIMP takes longer.
They're fizzling and they know it. I have not interacted with them in about 8 years. This year, I started getting emails from them about my "projects", which were also abandoned years ago. It smelled like a last ditch effort to bring people back to the site. They're just not that relevant anymore.
I use sourceforge occasionally, but I always just grab the source tarball. (If I didn't need the source, I'd just be using the package manager.) Are they bundling crap with the source now too? I really never noticed that SF looked any worse than it always did.
The last download that Adobe put for CS2 had a generic code that anyone could register under, as it is now considered unsupported. It was changed because there isn't a registration server for CS2 anymore. That will get rid of your nag right there. (You're probably using the "demo" registration code on an older download.) This current download was intended for people who bought the software under the original licence. But some kind of snafu made it publicly available for free, which (knowing how the internet works) made it pretty much impossible to take back.
And yes, you're right, CS2 is buggy and crashy. But if you bothered looking, there's a CS2.1 (or some decimal version) patch. If you search for "CS2 Update", you will find a link to download that from Adobe as well. it apparently gets rid of 99.9% of the bugs that cause crashes and makes it a much more well behaved program.
Thus:Yey! A "free" Photoshop that works!
As for GIMP? Currently Photoshop is still better in terms of usability. But I feel sooner or later GIMP will get there. If Blender can do it for 3D vs Max & Maya (yes, I'd say it's that good), then GIMP definitely has a shot at doing the same for 2D. Particularly if the pace of development keeps up along with some effort to recognize shortcomings and seriously improve the UI.
"What kind of system are you editing graphics from where you need to run GIMP from a portable USB drive?"
One that's not in my office, home, or other form of possession.
Next blind question, please.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
When I find an interesting project still hosted on SourceForge it's almost a sure sign it's dormant and/or dead. It's become the seedy back alley of the FOSS movement.
Combine it with download.com and let them die together.
All hail to the mighty Octocat.
You don't want to download based on the age of the protocol slinging the bits to your machine? That seems a bit eccentric to say the least.
This was the final straw that made me delete my SF.net account http://s.lowendshare.com/10/1383891038.308.2013-10-22T054551Z-sfnet.png
Who the fuck still prints? :D
Or - you select the brush you want, hold down SHIFT, click where you want the line to start and where you want it to end.
I'm told Photoshop have a similar method.
CYMK means dead trees. Am I typing this for trees or an electronic display? Electronic Display! Gimp can't do CYMK, and it doesn't output to Daguerreotype either. Wanna know why that's not a problem? Because no one uses Daguerreotype anymore!
Or you're a developer using a Mac with a case-sensitive filesystem so Photoshop won't install. (Shit developers in the usual style one expects from Adobe.)
Tracking cookies don't magically appear all by themselves. They are added by the server. They would only be added to a GIMP download if the GIMP servers were configured to do so.
And given that the link went to a normal web page delivered over HTTP that contained an FTP link, if they wanted to serve you a tracking cookie, you would have it already.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
That's always been the case. And it's still the case today that if you want to browse an FTP site, whichever client you are using has to guess at how to interpret the list listings. I was using it as an example of how fundamentally broken the protocol is.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
for 2 features (CMYK and 16bit depth), that I can get by using a few other open source odds and ends in conjunction with Gimp.
Converting 8-bit RGB into CMYK doesn't maintain the same color information as natively editing in CMYK.
There is a cheaper alternative to Photoshop if you need those features: run Corel PhotoPaint in a VM.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
non-sequitor?
Same reason I stopped using it.
Oh, you want to draw a circle around something? Here, select an area with the ellipse tool, fill it a solid color, then go to some menu options and shrink your current selection, then delete what is in you now smaller selection!
Source Forge used to be good but I stopped trusting the site when I got a virus from one of it's downloads. When a site becomes more about selling ads rather than the tech it's time to move to something different.
*It's not what you can do for the Dark Side but what the Dark Side can do for you!*
Because it's old enough and common enough that clients and firewalls are designed to handle the protocol, so even with all its drawbacks, it's still pretty reliable.
That's just it, you can't write a client to handle the protocol. Or, more specifically, you can, but that protocol doesn't include the information necessary to write a client. The protocol was designed to be typed by hand and interpreted by a human, not software. When an FTP client shows you a file listing, it is guessing at how to interpret the file listings.
As for firewalls, no, there are problems there as well. Firewalls have to actively watch for FTP connections and treat them specially, and even when they do, they can't get it completely right because the protocol is fundamentally broken.
Don't take my word for it, read what the people who have implemented FTP have to say on the matter: 1 2.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
I don't see any adverts.....
Ever, anywhere but then I use Squid to strip out all the advertising crap from websites so I just get to see the clean web, advert free......
You don't need the client to handle the protocol. You just need it to handle the particular implementation GIMP is using. Same with a firewall.
As long as it's supported by near enough all fiewalls and clients then it will work.
As you said it's considered unsupported therefore it will never be updated or bugfixed, so you'd better be sure you completely trust every file you open with it... Adobe don't exactly have a good reputation for writing secure software.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
We do, and we much prefer HTTP over FTP since we do clever caching and redirects for HTTP. See: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/about/index.html
We are talking to the GIMP folks to readjust their links.
Did you actually read the links you posted?
Given that it's acting as an anonymous download only option, none except the firewall (very irritating but solved by stateful firewalls) point apply. Especially as the previous alternative was HTTP.
Insecure: doesn't matter. You're downloading an open file anyway. And no worse than HTTP.
No way of setting modification times: doesn't matter, no one's going to be uploading.
No way of determining name encoding: doesn't matter, users are following a link in, not reading listings.
Directory listings: doesn't matter. Users are following a link. substantially better than HTTP anyway in this regard.
Metadata: doesn't matter for anonymous downloads.
Yeah, FTP is a big steaming pile, but for such downloads only, most don't apply and for the rest, the lage amount of engineering work has already been put into firewalls, so it doesn't matter anyway.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Exactly!
Some twat complained about start-up and registration time.
Ok, how that the whole user experience in gimp is 5 times slower, things that are braindead simple in PS need some weird quirks. Oh,,install a plugin. No thanks.
Will I have to install the SourceForge installer to read /. in the future?
Can I opt-out?
Removing direct links is something that REALLY annoys me... I have never liked downloading within the browser, especially in the days of dialup and netscape 4.x which always seemed to crash at 95% and didn't support resume.
Also what they fail to consider is who downloads open source code... A lot of users have hosted linux servers and will install various things onto them, and most home users have connections where the upstream is significantly slower than the downstream. If i'm setting something up on a colocated linux box i want a link that i can paste into an ssh session and download with wget so the (presumably well connected) colo box can download the file quickly. I don't want to slowly download it to my own machine, and then even more slowly upload it again.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
I stopped using sourceforge myself for this very reason.
Who knew?
Ad Block Plus FTW!
Installers that install much more than what I asked for, on the other hand...
Speaking of bittorrent, I updated Utorrent recently and found out that it really wanted to install Search Protection.
No thanks!
Not that utorrent can't seem to remember where it installed itself last time, (didn't it used to be truly portable???!), but to be installing crap like that without even asking?
Bryan
CS2 is not free
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2013/01/07/download-adobe-cs2-applications-for-free/
Pixelmator has been doing quite well in the Mac App Store. It's #11 on the top grossing list, while Photoshop (which costs more than twice as much) is down at #30. Corel only has the "lite" version of Paint Shop in MAS, which doesn't even show up in the "top" lists.
I expect lots of small companies are in the same boat I am. I have 7 perfectly working CS4 installations, but now I need an 8th. Since backwards compatibility is a crapshoot that could burn you at the worst possible time I have to upgrade everyone to Creative Cloud just to get that 8th license. I could try and ebay a copy of CS4 but since licenses are not transferrable, legally that's no better than pirating. My solution so far is to take one license from my own machine since I don't need it much and am more likely to do stuff with ImageMagick than start PS. But that only buys me time. If I can't get a solid migration plan soon I'll be stuck paying £5k+ a YEAR just to use Adobe's glitchy shit.
Kudos to them for standing up for a good cause and the principles they believe in. It's nice to hear someone is actually looking out for the good of the community rather than fscking it.
I'm using the massively outdated fanboy/easylist adblocking and annoyance tracking protection lists for IE and I hardly notice anything.
Unfortunately, most of the establishment aren't ideologically pure- the ones that're impure are doing the ostracising, by the by.... But then I don't expect some Libtard on /. to get that... I see you got down-modded, as you should. I expect I will too for this one...but, hey, it's only Karma, right?
I want them to put up a Gopher site for downloads!
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That is a nice program, and may free a person from Lightroom who hasn't converted all their CR2/RAW files to DNG. But, it doesn't help with color bit depth need in GIMP.
I browse on my Vectrex you insensitive clod!
Gimp is 5x slower for you? Weird. I find literally the opposite.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Why not turn Sourceforge in a Github competitor, providing more cool stuff, like, by example, Attlasian BitBucket?
and since sourceforge removed direct download links to source files
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. One can do something like
and it will automatically select a download mirror and download. The only annoyance is that one has to give the -O option because otherwise the downloaded file will be called "download".
>One should not have to do that in the first place...
I know this is tough, but CS2 is free for download. I would think a "registration" through a temporary email address is a small enough hurdle to step over. Would you rather that Adobe take it out of the free downloads?
Adobe is evil in a lot of ways, but the registration "requirement" for CS2 isn't one of them.
>CS2 crashes in XP
FLP is a de-goobered XP. Try it.
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BMO
I'm not an avid or even casual Gimp user, but a quick search yields these:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CMYK_support_in_The_GIMP#About_CMYK_color_and_Gimp
http://askubuntu.com/questions/114858/how-to-convert-image-to-cmyk-in-gimp
(plugin)
http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml
What say you?
You realize that IDs don't necessarily stamp the age of a /. reader, just the age of the account.
/. since 1998 but I only got around to making an account in 2005. It's very possible that someone at 1mill ID could have seen the "Good Ol' Days" of /.
I've been reading
But now you can feel good about yourself Mr. AC, you've managed to look like an ass while attempting to discredit someone's comments. Good for you.
FTP is grossly outdated. I'd prefer GitHub.
I sometimes go to client's houses or places of business. It helps to have an option you can just plug into their PC to demonstrate why the print won't come out the same as it appears on their mis-calibrated monitors.
That's pretty cool and a great use.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."