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GIMP, Citing Ad Policies, Moves to FTP Rather Than SourceForge Downloads
Dangerous_Minds writes "GIMP, a free and open source alternative to image manipulation software like Photoshop, recently announced that it will no longer be distributing their program through SourceForge. Citing some of the ads as reasons, they say that the tipping point was 'the introduction of their own SourceForge Installer software, which bundles third-party offers with Free Software packages. We do not want to support this kind of behavior, and have thus decided to abandon SourceForge.' The policy changes were reported back in August by Gluster. GIMP is now distributing their software via their own FTP page instead." Note: SourceForge and Slashdot share a corporate parent.
Get a torrent up, many of us will seed for the community.
Haven't been impressed by SourceForge's recent policy of late- especially when I unclick the 'free software' offers attached to each download, yet they install anyway!
Sourceforge is garbage now.
then certainly the open source community would appreciate bundled bullshit too!
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I can't get enough iLivid installs! That and another Ask! toolbar! Sign me up!
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
"Note: SourceForge and Slashdot share a corporate parent."
This whole installer hi-jacking is unacceptable. "OpenSource" just loose serious credibility.
GIMP can't do CMYK, so WHO CARES??
The majority of people that do graphics for web, not print?
As a fellow SourceForge user, I was also outraged when I noticed this. SourceForge used to be the go-to place if you had an Open Source project you wanted hosted. They've lacked focus for some time, making all sorts of failed changes that only bloated their surface area without bringing any actual benefit. Perhaps the screws are to them to become profitable. Slashdot's semi-recent foray into HTML5 randomness and video-ads-as-articles shows similar direction.
They've lost a lot of their user base, are bleeding what they've still got, and potential new users are almost universally going to GitHub and the like. It's a bit depressing.
bring back the gopher! I might have to host a Gopher server just to put Gimp on there.
Note: SourceForge and Slashdot share a corporate parent.
Good to know I can blame the decline of two great sites on the same company.
Just saw this today. Guess SourceForge has gone to the dark side. Sad Really.
Just... bravo.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
or just want a (really) inexpensive program that can do layers.
It does everything else with 100% cost savings. I'm not paying Adobe near a thousand bucks for 2 features (CMYK and 16bit depth), that I can get by using a few other open source odds and ends in conjunction with Gimp.
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...unless you're running an iron-clad adblocker. It's like Vegas on every page and especially for downloads.
This is why people have been migrating to GitHub and bigger projects have been consolidating into major OSS players that can afford their own servers/presence (ex: Apache, Mozilla, etc). I'm surprised so few established projects use BT as their primary distribution channel considering all you need to do is run a BT daemon on your server to seed it. In the worst case, you use the same amount of bandwidth, while in the best others reduce your load.
All web companies that act as intermediaries eventually become the ad-infested hell-holes that they replaced as they try to turn greater and greater profits out of their properties. Tucows and most gaming news sites from the late 90s are prime examples.
sf.net was the only project host which still offered release downloads. Not every project can afford a deviated download solutions for all their releases.
Now that sf.net has been compromised, what alternative are there?
It's quite ridiculous considering that the sf.net download mirrors are sponsored.
People who don't want to have to pay a monthly Photoshop bill care...
Please inform your "corporate parent" that installer hijacking is a dick move.
Do they have separate installers for every conceivable operating system or something?
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Or who wants their personal info well protected...
Even legitimate photoshop users never pay that much for it, unless you need the whole package with everything Adobe makes for corporate customers or whatever.
There's always a way to get it cheaper. When I bought it, it was via the discount you get when buying a wacom tablet, which you probably want anyway. The upgrade was like 350 or something from there...
I have a project on Sourceforge and it just uses it's own installer (Nullsoft). So, I would assume that you have a choice to use the adware installer, or not if you don't want to.
True, Linux distributions and OpenOffice/LibreOffice appear to be the biggest users of torrent among free software projects. I can guess three reasons for this. First, not all free software projects have releases as big as those, and torrent isn't really optimized for small files. Second, people not already using a torrent client or a GNU/Linux distribution that preinstalls a torrent client would have to download both a torrent client and the project. Third, a lot of organizations block torrent but not regular HTTPS or HTTP downloads, and even a user who can run a torrent client might not be able to open an incoming TCP port. Cloud delivery networks (CDNs) give some of the same benefits as torrent hosting without these same problems.
It doesn't support tracking cookies.
There are lots of other low cost pixel editors that compete with Photoshop. Since Adobe's moron move to the "Creative Cloud" (which may represent a state of mind among Adobe executives rather than a description of the system which is simply Software As A Service) thousands of photographers have been ditching PS. Corel's Paintshop Pro, while commercial software is less expensive than PS. Paintshop even does layers, 16 bit and CMYK output.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I truly hope they don't migrate to FTP only. Using it as their *canonical* download might be ok, but as plenty of other people have mentioned, FTP is a bit outdated. Really, if you're already migrating to a dedicated host, why not use HTTP? And put a BT link up for the majority of us with a client already installed.
(using BT as the sole source isn't really a good solution for folks who don't have admin rights to install a BT client, such as on my work box here)
I used to use Adobe software until very recently, because my main usage for graphics software was editing my own photographs. I take photos with a proper camera that will use a data format that has more than 8 bits per pixel and does not have lossy compression in the device. Fortunately, darkroom is now good enough to use so I won't have to. If I ever should want to "photoshop" my photos, fortunately Gimp will have RAW support in the next release. To be honest, I haven't looked at CMYK yet, but I really hope that it will have support for that too.
The arrogance that somehow millions of people that are actually prepared to pay for good software because it has features that FOSS doesn't have aren't potential users is really beyond my comprehension. Cost savings aren't just in a license fee, they are in the quality of the final product, fetching a better price, and in the time saved having a better work flow. Darktable has "just started" if you compare it to the time gimp has been around and already I see several serious photo enthusiast people use it for serious work. Since I've got it running with openCL, I haven't started Adobe Lightroom, even though Darktable is still in the "very active development" stage. Again, I don't know about CMYK since I'm not in the printing business, but given the amount of people forking out money to Adobe, I'm sure there will be plenty of shops willing to try Gimp and even donate if it will have proper CMYK and professional color profile support. Get of your high horse and start looking at improvements that will make the app better than what's available. Don't tell people they don't need it just because you yourself don't; it's degrading and makes FOSS look bad. FOSS has a good place in the server room and partially on mobile. The reason it hasn't on the desktop is partially because apps like this just aren't "the best you can get". Visicalc and WordPerfect sold millions of hardware+OS kits, just because of the one application, the rest was mediocre at best. Linux needs a few of those applications too to finally push Windows off it's pedestal.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
I think "release downloads" was supposed to include binaries for the Windows operating system. It's sort of hard to get end users to buy Microsoft Visual Studio in order to compile your application from source in order to try it.
Photoshop CS2 is free, and it's better than GIMP even though it's nearly a decade old. There's no reason at all to use GIMP unless you are using Linux or morally oppose closed-source software.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Am I the only one who noticed that while once upon a time, SourceForge were great, that it's declining popularity (no thanks to Google Code and Github) and falling website hits forced them to put up more, spammier, scammier ads?
Then about a year or so ago, they went full-AOL, and the standards of the ads dropped dramatically, with misleading 'download button' ads leading to dodgy downloads; their hits must've dropped further, necessitating even more, even scammier ads.
Looks pretty much like a tailspin to me. Too bad, because Sourceforge was one of the first and best Open Source hosting platforms at one stage.
If I were in charge of it, I'd just take it out behind the shed and put it out of its misery.
Though nowadays you just click on ftp://... link and get the right file right away. So I am not sure the file listing problem matters that much.
It will.... very soon now.
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To Do: Add tracking cookie support to FTP.
CS2 crashes frequently on Windows... takes longer to start up, especially on lower end PCs, and doesn't seem to leave a user with any option to permanently bypass product registration, nagging the user every single time it starts up until they do.
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Or tinted layers with a volumizing mousse cut in an attractive bob.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
The FSF run their own project hosting website at http://savannah.nongnu.org/
I suspect it's about to become rather more popular.
And yet it is still better than GIMP, a fact that is utterly pathetic.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Agreed, plus ImageMagick has a way better user interface.
and doesn't seem to leave a user with any option to permanently bypass product registration, nagging the user every single time it starts up until they do.
You have a 6-digit slashdot ID.
I would think that someone with one would have been around the block long enough to know how to set up a disposable email account, like 10-minute-mail.
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You're welcome.
CS2 crashes frequently on Windows...
On what version? It runs just fine in FLP.
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Paint.NET also does layers and is free for both private and commercial use. Yes, you must be running Windows but for all of us that do it's a huge step up from MS Paint in functionality, GIMP in usability and Photoshop in simplicity. I've found it to cover pretty much all my needs, those thing I'd like to do that I've found hard to do haven't been any easier in GIMP.
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I disagree. GIMP is way faster, you can run it from a portable usb drive without even needing to install anything, and requires far less memory resources. Photoshop is bloated with features that are unnecessary for most types of digital image editing, but still take up all of the same space.
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One should not have to do that in the first place... if I say that I do not want to register, I shouldn't be forced to always mean something like "remind me later".
Oh, and the version of Windows that I found CS2 always crashed on was XP.
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Those that don't have BT clients would get them. Most people have them, anyway.
Any reliable stats as to this?
Please to tell how to get 16 bit color depth in GIMP???
That bundling of crapware really pissed me off badly. Open source things are not supposed to be doing that.
I was user 341 at Sourceforge, 14 years ago.
I always liked the SF.net idea. This is kinda sad to see happening.
But enough crying over spilt milk.
* Don't use Dice, don't hire folks using Dice.
* Move your own projects off sourceforge.
* If you need a project from sourceforge email them and ask them to avoid the download jacking by moving their project if possible
* Support other providers who play fair.
* If you use a website reputation tool, mark sf appropriately.
"Nowadays"? I remember that as being a feature of Mosaic circa 1993.
Yeah, i doubt that something called the File Transfer Protocol even works these days : )
Side-note: They still offer an http download link about 50px left of the ftp one.
http://soylentnews.org/~tibman
I *do* care about Gimp, but I get it from Debian. These days I use SourceForge so rarely that I hadn't even heard about their new installer. But that *IS* a good reason to use it much less than before.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Since Adobe's moron move to the "Creative Cloud" (which may represent a state of mind among Adobe executives rather than a description of the system which is simply Software As A Service) thousands of photographers have been ditching PS. Corel's Paintshop Pro, while commercial software is less expensive than PS. Paintshop even does layers, 16 bit and CMYK output.
I have to question that. All previous DVD versions of CS thru CS6 continue to run as is with no additional money required. Only when you want new features beyond CS6 do you have to start with the Adobe monthly fee or move to an alternative. Like MSWord since probably Word 95, if not 6, PS has been so over-featured for most users that what more do you need that they haven't already thought of and included? So why would anyone dump an already paid-for program to learn a new one? My guess is that they're just not getting new users nearly as much as before.
The favorite boast I hear from many PS users with personal copies (when the company is paying the bill it's a whole different matter, of course) is who is using the oldest version of PS and is still completely happy with it. This week it was a PS5 (not CS5 -- PS5) user. Personally I used PS7 for a long time until I was given a copy of CS1, and am now only on CS3, where I will likely live for a good long while now.
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What kind of system are you editing graphics from where you need to run GIMP from a portable USB drive? To be honest, I'm seriously doubting you do much editing of digital images.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You should be ashamed. An installer? Unfreekin believable.
An abomination.
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Install-free is always nice to have because you can do it anywhere... you aren't restricted to only doing it at one computer.
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Well, I am on Linux, and while I don't morally oppose using closed-source software, per se, I don't trust it for a tool, and I am morally opposed to most of the EULAs that such software tends to attach.
OTOH, for a game I see no reason to object to closed source software, but I still object to intrusive EULAs. (Reasonable terms are one thing, but abusive requirements are something totally else. If I can't install it, I'm not interested. And if there's a requirement that calling home is allowed, I want my money back. I run closed source software in a virtual machine with no internet connectivity.
My attitude is due to many past experiences with companies that I thought were reasonably trustworthy. But every day I seem to encounter another story saying that I'm still overly trusting.
OTOH, if you are already running MSWind or Apple, then you've already signed away all your rights. (You *did* read the EULA didn't you?) Anything you do on the computer, they have the right to copy off, and then delete or silently modify your copy. That they don't do this is a business decision on their part, because users of those systems have signed away permission. IANAL, so I can't say that they have the right to use your images for commercial gain. (Well, and I also haven't seen an EULA from either MS or Apple in over a decade. They could have changed things.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Well that doesn't answer the question I asked, but you have further confirmed my suspicion that you don't edit digital images very often.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Yeah, there are plenty of good, practical reasons to use open source. So many, especially for programmers.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I agree with most of what has been said.
As nasty as that is, I'm pleasantly surprised Slashdot (Dice) ran this. Somebody has character to approve this story. I hope it doesn't get them fired for telling the truth.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/buying-guide.html
you will pay a thousand bucks in 4 years... if you're lucky and you don't pay the spending limit of your credit card ;))DDDD
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
When did this start happening? I just downloaded something from them a few weeks ago. Is this recent? Is there any way to bypass this "custom installer"?
The question was "What kind of system are you editing graphics from where you need to run GIMP from a portable USB drive?"
A system that I don't necessarily have permanent use of, and wish to do editing on without having to install anything.
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It's not like bandwidth is expensive any more, GIMP can easily put up its own FTP server. I'd rather see it as bittorrent and maybe that will happen. In any case, sourceforge has outlived its utility, and is being run into the ground.
Why on earth would you use FTP in this day and age?
Maybe their HTTP host doesn't support resuming downloads. Maybe they have free quota on their FTP. Maybe it works so who cares?
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I have three projects on SourceForge. Fortunately, none of them release an executable, so SourceForge's drive-by installer doesn't corrupt my projects. But I'll move one project off of SourceForge soon.
Is GitHub still OK?
GIMP is a terminally retarded toy. Every second you use it it feels like fighting with windmills. Say you have a greylevel png you want to turn into transparency (for use as avatar). Clone the channel as alpha? Well... simple tasks must not have straight-forward solutions, hurray for teh gimp, you are the king!
If someone has any recommendations for a capable photo editor, that can work with logos, etc., please, I'm all ears. F**k teh gimp!
I was trying to draw a white square around a logo yesterday. My two standby's let me down:
Paint for Windows 7 killed the gif file by adding ugly, unprofessional dithering that killed my site logo. I noticed just seconds before uploading to the site.
Loaded up trusty GIMPshop since I recall it didn't previously mess up my transparencies as badly as paint... and didn't find the outline tool... wait, you there's not even a straight LINE tool in it, google? you must combine obscure selection tools with some hidden stroke options just to draw a few lines? what? why does paint do this better?
supposedly this is because gimp is an editor rather than a drawing program. No wonder they take us free software fans as a joke. This is not something I'd notice day to day until I ran into it, and I'd lose face to a professional asking for help skirting the PS price barrier
Sourceforge was meant to help open-source software, not hinder its use! What happened?
I like to post detailed instructions on how to do things that include cut&pasteable commands (if anything, for my own sake), and since sourceforge removed direct download links to source files I have had to mirror them on my own servers just so that the instructions can be used. Sad. How many projects are now wasting their valuable time working around sourceforge's decisions?
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They're fizzling and they know it. I have not interacted with them in about 8 years. This year, I started getting emails from them about my "projects", which were also abandoned years ago. It smelled like a last ditch effort to bring people back to the site. They're just not that relevant anymore.
"What kind of system are you editing graphics from where you need to run GIMP from a portable USB drive?"
One that's not in my office, home, or other form of possession.
Next blind question, please.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
That sounds incredibly shady - I'm glad I saw your warning in time. Maybe if enough people report them to stopbadware.org they can be recognized as an attack site and blocked in browsers until they clean up/shut down completely.
When I find an interesting project still hosted on SourceForge it's almost a sure sign it's dormant and/or dead. It's become the seedy back alley of the FOSS movement.
Combine it with download.com and let them die together.
All hail to the mighty Octocat.
This was the final straw that made me delete my SF.net account http://s.lowendshare.com/10/1383891038.308.2013-10-22T054551Z-sfnet.png
Who the fuck still prints? :D
Or - you select the brush you want, hold down SHIFT, click where you want the line to start and where you want it to end.
I'm told Photoshop have a similar method.
Tracking cookies don't magically appear all by themselves. They are added by the server. They would only be added to a GIMP download if the GIMP servers were configured to do so.
And given that the link went to a normal web page delivered over HTTP that contained an FTP link, if they wanted to serve you a tracking cookie, you would have it already.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
That's always been the case. And it's still the case today that if you want to browse an FTP site, whichever client you are using has to guess at how to interpret the list listings. I was using it as an example of how fundamentally broken the protocol is.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
for 2 features (CMYK and 16bit depth), that I can get by using a few other open source odds and ends in conjunction with Gimp.
Converting 8-bit RGB into CMYK doesn't maintain the same color information as natively editing in CMYK.
There is a cheaper alternative to Photoshop if you need those features: run Corel PhotoPaint in a VM.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Same reason I stopped using it.
Oh, you want to draw a circle around something? Here, select an area with the ellipse tool, fill it a solid color, then go to some menu options and shrink your current selection, then delete what is in you now smaller selection!
Source Forge used to be good but I stopped trusting the site when I got a virus from one of it's downloads. When a site becomes more about selling ads rather than the tech it's time to move to something different.
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Because it's old enough and common enough that clients and firewalls are designed to handle the protocol, so even with all its drawbacks, it's still pretty reliable.
That's just it, you can't write a client to handle the protocol. Or, more specifically, you can, but that protocol doesn't include the information necessary to write a client. The protocol was designed to be typed by hand and interpreted by a human, not software. When an FTP client shows you a file listing, it is guessing at how to interpret the file listings.
As for firewalls, no, there are problems there as well. Firewalls have to actively watch for FTP connections and treat them specially, and even when they do, they can't get it completely right because the protocol is fundamentally broken.
Don't take my word for it, read what the people who have implemented FTP have to say on the matter: 1 2.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
You don't need the client to handle the protocol. You just need it to handle the particular implementation GIMP is using. Same with a firewall.
As long as it's supported by near enough all fiewalls and clients then it will work.
As you said it's considered unsupported therefore it will never be updated or bugfixed, so you'd better be sure you completely trust every file you open with it... Adobe don't exactly have a good reputation for writing secure software.
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This is what too many on /. don't get. It's not about whether or not YOU can access the appropriate installer. Of course you can, else chances are greater than not that you wouldn't be here.
The question is about the ordinary folk and I'm sorry, they aren't going to use bittorrent.
Last time I checked, GIMP was not a program for "ordinary folk". Not that Photoshop is either. I do like the direct FTP distribution idea, if they can work a browser they can get the file... as long as someone is paying for the bandwidth.
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I'm surprised modern browsers don't just natively support the torrent protocol in some fashion. Even if they don't seed, it'd still make file distribution a lot easier for smaller entities that can maybe throw up an FTP but couldn't handle full distribution.
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We do, and we much prefer HTTP over FTP since we do clever caching and redirects for HTTP. See: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/about/index.html
We are talking to the GIMP folks to readjust their links.
Did you actually read the links you posted?
Given that it's acting as an anonymous download only option, none except the firewall (very irritating but solved by stateful firewalls) point apply. Especially as the previous alternative was HTTP.
Insecure: doesn't matter. You're downloading an open file anyway. And no worse than HTTP.
No way of setting modification times: doesn't matter, no one's going to be uploading.
No way of determining name encoding: doesn't matter, users are following a link in, not reading listings.
Directory listings: doesn't matter. Users are following a link. substantially better than HTTP anyway in this regard.
Metadata: doesn't matter for anonymous downloads.
Yeah, FTP is a big steaming pile, but for such downloads only, most don't apply and for the rest, the lage amount of engineering work has already been put into firewalls, so it doesn't matter anyway.
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Removing direct links is something that REALLY annoys me... I have never liked downloading within the browser, especially in the days of dialup and netscape 4.x which always seemed to crash at 95% and didn't support resume.
Also what they fail to consider is who downloads open source code... A lot of users have hosted linux servers and will install various things onto them, and most home users have connections where the upstream is significantly slower than the downstream. If i'm setting something up on a colocated linux box i want a link that i can paste into an ssh session and download with wget so the (presumably well connected) colo box can download the file quickly. I don't want to slowly download it to my own machine, and then even more slowly upload it again.
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Installers that install much more than what I asked for, on the other hand...
Speaking of bittorrent, I updated Utorrent recently and found out that it really wanted to install Search Protection.
No thanks!
Not that utorrent can't seem to remember where it installed itself last time, (didn't it used to be truly portable???!), but to be installing crap like that without even asking?
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I expect lots of small companies are in the same boat I am. I have 7 perfectly working CS4 installations, but now I need an 8th. Since backwards compatibility is a crapshoot that could burn you at the worst possible time I have to upgrade everyone to Creative Cloud just to get that 8th license. I could try and ebay a copy of CS4 but since licenses are not transferrable, legally that's no better than pirating. My solution so far is to take one license from my own machine since I don't need it much and am more likely to do stuff with ImageMagick than start PS. But that only buys me time. If I can't get a solid migration plan soon I'll be stuck paying £5k+ a YEAR just to use Adobe's glitchy shit.
Kudos to them for standing up for a good cause and the principles they believe in. It's nice to hear someone is actually looking out for the good of the community rather than fscking it.
I want them to put up a Gopher site for downloads!
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Opera does.
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That is a nice program, and may free a person from Lightroom who hasn't converted all their CR2/RAW files to DNG. But, it doesn't help with color bit depth need in GIMP.
I know plenty of "ordinary folk" who might want to download GIMP: people who use computers as a means to do stuff they want to do, and that doesn't mean dicking around with strange download sites on the internet. I recommend it frequently to artists I know who want to do basic photoshoppy stuff, and the fact that they don't already have something for that demonstrates that they're not particularly experienced with where and how to get software online.
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
Gimp is 5x slower for you? Weird. I find literally the opposite.
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Why not turn Sourceforge in a Github competitor, providing more cool stuff, like, by example, Attlasian BitBucket?
>One should not have to do that in the first place...
I know this is tough, but CS2 is free for download. I would think a "registration" through a temporary email address is a small enough hurdle to step over. Would you rather that Adobe take it out of the free downloads?
Adobe is evil in a lot of ways, but the registration "requirement" for CS2 isn't one of them.
>CS2 crashes in XP
FLP is a de-goobered XP. Try it.
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Of all the people I know, the only ones that want to do photoshoppy stuff are indeed artists... not counting non ordinary techies who manipulate images all the time, you know... us. The rest all want to crop a photo, fix some red eye, or compose a card for a birthday or Christmas. Giving THOSE ordinary folks GIMP or Photoshop is like giving someone a class 4 laser to heat a cup-of-noodles, they can do it if they learn how but there are easier ways to reach their goal. Most of them have software from either a printer CD or a camera CD that will have a basic photo editor simple enough to work for almost anything they need... The minute you get into layers and adding or removing items or people from images we are no longer talking about ordinary people. For those few GIMP might be a good fit, but the last time I used it the UI needed the same amount of dedication and rigor as Photoshop... Good, Powerful Software, but not for the ordinary computer user.
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You realize that IDs don't necessarily stamp the age of a /. reader, just the age of the account.
/. since 1998 but I only got around to making an account in 2005. It's very possible that someone at 1mill ID could have seen the "Good Ol' Days" of /.
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But now you can feel good about yourself Mr. AC, you've managed to look like an ass while attempting to discredit someone's comments. Good for you.
I sometimes go to client's houses or places of business. It helps to have an option you can just plug into their PC to demonstrate why the print won't come out the same as it appears on their mis-calibrated monitors.
That's pretty cool and a great use.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."