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Head of Silk Road 2.0 Says It Will Be Back In Minutes If Shut Down
Daniel_Stuckey writes "It only took a month for the Silk Road 2.0 to go live after the now infamous Silk Road marketplace shuttered. One month. Should the budding deep-web bazaar experience the same fate as its predecessor, and be knocked out by authorities still whack-a-moling their way through the online front of the war on drugs, the Silk Road 3.0 would be up and running in 15 minutes, tops. That's according to the Dread Pirate Roberts, the pseudonymous head of SR 2.0. In what are arguably his most breathy public remarks to date the 'new' DPR, who either cribbed his handle from the DPR of SR 1.0 fame or who is indeed the original DPR, opened up to Mike Power on his long-term vision for the site."
fuck the silk road.
We don't need this shit.
They keep using that word. I don't think it means what they think it means.
I for one, welcome the new Dread Pirate Roberts.
We'll you know the last Dread Pirate Roberts wasn't the original Dread Pirate Roberts anyway. His name was Cummerbund. The real Roberts has been retired fifteen years and living like a king in Patagonia.
FTFA: "the 'new' DPR, who either cribbed his handle from the DPR of SR 1.0 fame or who is indeed the original DPR"
I don't think that works the way you (the editor) think it works...
Having a working web site doesn't accomplish anything if nobody uses it, for fear of going to jail.
Silk Road 1.0 didn't just get shut down. The Feds had complete access to it for months. If you use Silk Road 2.0 and end up in jail, it's your own fault.
....nothing of value was lost or gained.
But putting people in jail for smoking a plant while leaving schoolchildren hungry at night is an utter disgrace.
I couldn't agree more.
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I think that keeping the name Dread Pirate Roberts is very appropriate to the movie it came from.
Dread Pirate Roberts:
Roberts had grown so rich, he wanted to retire. He took me to his cabin and he told me his secret. 'I am not the Dread Pirate Roberts' he said. 'My name is Ryan; I inherited the ship from the previous Dread Pirate Roberts, just as you will inherit it from me. The man I inherited it from is not the real Dread Pirate Roberts either. His name was Cummerbund. The real Roberts has been retired 15 years and living like a king in Patagonia.'
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is really a fed
And how do we know the feds aren't the ones running Silk Road 2.0?
Remember lulzsec, yea.that.
What about the other illegal goods on silk road? Like the hitmen for hire? Is that going to be added back?
Sounds like Silk Road joins the illustrious company of ThePirateBay as one of those indispensable services running on Amazon Web Services without Amazon particularly noticing.
(I wish Amazon hadn't called it AWS. It's not recognizable enough without spelling out Amazon, and you end up effectively writing Amazon Amazon Web Services or people don't know what you're talking about.)
and this doesn't scream Sting or front to anyone?. not to mention its just a bad idea in the first place
no, what we NEED is for the us government to realize how dumb they are being with the 'war on drugs' billions of US tax dollars are wasted yearly on it,
No, sir. What we need is the public who back the politicians who support this stupid war to realize the truth.
And those people are the religious people - yes, I'll say it - the religious people. The people who think their religion is THE panacea for all of our ills and anyone who uses drugs isn't ""SAVED"". That's what it really some down to in this day and age - rational people and the people of Faith who insist on legislating their morals on others while preaching anti-government sentiment on other issues.
Religion is evil. I am convinced.
I meant delegitimize as in making illegal/unacceptable. Not demilitarize... That wouldn't make much sense... (Maybe I should just create an account next time I post something)
Bah, there Intellectual Property rights there and a worldwide reputation that's being infringed you know. The Silk Road was built on the work of the DPR and he deserves to be paid for his intellectual endeavors!
The new site is a cheap copycat fraud that fails to respect others rights. They threaten more clones like a game of whack a mole. No respect for intellectual property at all. How can you trust that kind of operation? Next thing you know the FBI will replace with front page with "It's a trap" and even the murders for hire will be fraudulent...
If its CIA - for doing their own drug smuggling, it's unlikely they'll blow their cover by sharing with your Oregon's PD.
If it's NYPD - they won't care outside of NY.
If it's NSA - they won't blow their cover for fear of more bad PR.
And that's just US agencies. Even if it is government, it's just as likely it's China's government. Or Singapore's. Or Russia's.
Or Afghanistan's, now that someone stopped the Taliban who were cracking down on Heroin.
And even if it is - wouldn't buyers and sellers take precautions to keep their privacy even from the guys (who are very likely criminals) running Silk Road anyway?
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The poppy trade is the main source of income for the Taliban. They only stopped it when they were in power because they realized they couldn't get people all religiously snockered if they were already snockered. The Taliban also stopped a lot of limbs from working and many heads. That's what they did when they couldn't stop the peoples' brains from working.
A new Silk Road went online and the value of bitcoins dipped nearly USD$50 around 24~48 hours ago. Is it related?
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There's this agency called the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They handled cases where drugs cross state lines. I understand why you might not have heard of them, since they were only created 105 years ago.
Ron, let me clue you in: When you transport drugs across state lines, it falls under federal law. They can kick your ass so hard your kids will be born dizzy for that; In California, you can go from clean record to life imprisonment thanks to their whack-ass "three strikes" law, because I can think of at least half a dozen federal laws that are being broken from postal regulations to schedule I drug possesion, back to interstate transportation, and all the way across to "How do you plead?"
And even if it is - wouldn't buyers and sellers take precautions to keep their privacy even from the guys (who are very likely criminals) running Silk Road anyway?
You're asking me if people won't be stupid? Heh. Guess the answer. But even if they did, as has been pointed out before, "anonymous" bit coins... well... they aren't really all that anonymous. And there's still that pesky problem of... where do you ship your drugs to?
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The NSA and other U.S. federal agencies are just looking for more excuses to expand their surveillance powers.
Drug possession violates federal law, _period_, regardless of whether you cross state lines. This is why drug defendants always plead out--state prosecutors will threaten to ask their local federal deputy district attorney to charge you in federal court. And if you thought states had whacked out drug laws, you don't want to know how drug defendants (or any defendant, for that matter) fairs in federal court.
The federal system has no parole, and insane minimums. And they also like to throw the book at you, which is why people always get charged with postal violations--not because they're necessary to obtain jurisdiction anymore (this isn't the 1930s), but just because they're assholes.
Neither is the DPR of TSR 1.0.
We all need to remember that the original DPR and several successors were fictional characters.
I'm a left libertarian. Here are some of my views.
For social. Society should, at a minimum, provide the poor and homeless with the level of care that prisoner's receive. Maybe prisoner's should receive less care, so be it. But at least respect the unfortunate, they suffer. Obviously our drug enforcement culture needs to end.
For politics. Possibly only use public funds for political campaigns. How would it work? I have no idea. But prevent, 100%, campaign donations from companies and dissolve all PACs. They are poison to the system. Possibly use a different Federal level voting system, we need more parties in contention badly. Make lobbying illegal, if a business wants to talk directly to a government official, that's fine, but no external parties being funded. Enact a balanced budget amendment (goodbye Military Industrial Complex, but so be it).
For business. Reform the patent system (how? I'm not sure, there are others that know more than I, but I can spot a failed/failing system). Gut the Fed. Reduce "barriers to entry", gut Sarbanes-Oxley and other "established business benefit programs".
For legal. Reform the entire thing, businesses control the system to their whims. RIAA, MPAA, you are who I'm referring to, at least to start with.
For security. Gut it all. Restore the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. NSA and TSA need to be shuttered, as good first steps.
"I have a dream" (TM, Martin Luther King Jr.), but I have little to no optimism regarding true progress under the current system. We have one national party split into two sects, divided primarily by social values. Reality is a voracious destroyer of dreams. I get by.
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Social: I've come to the conclusion that fixing the problem(reform) has to be cheaper than warehousing prisoners. So pretty much ditto, though I'd actually treat prisoners better. The current treatment system actually causes mental damage and additional crime. Law enforcement, courts, and prison is expensive. Let's do the 'fix' right the first time.
As an ancillary, I'd stand up what I call the 'fedjobs' program. Historically the military was the biggest source of skilled craftsmen going. Today our professional military is much more vertical, with a higher proportion of career soldiers who get a second career as a GS or contractor, so they never hit the private sector.
Therefore I propose taking a page from Heinlein and setting up a program of mandatory employment that replaces various welfare programs. Yes, I know this program would be huge, but hopefully other factors would be set up such that ultimately fewer would be on the rolls. Like the military of the past, training would be provided after an initial period. In the case of Fedjobs, after a time of reasonable performance on the available minimum skill jobs they're transition to technical training on a balance of the individual's wants, the program's needs, and demonstrated ability via ASVAB equivalent. Projects worked would primarily be 'infrastructure' which by my definition would be 'anything that improves the quality of life and/or productivity of Americans that can be reasonably expected to last 20 years or longer with only routine maintenance'. Parks, Schools, bridges, roads, buried fiber, power generation plants, power lines, etc... Heck, even education counts under that definition.
Politics: I hate the idea of banning things because, well, they just figure out ways to get around it. Ban people giving the politicos money directly and you'll only see dozens of 'friends of XYZ' and 'enemies of ABC' pop up with their own ad campaigns.
Balanced Budget: On average, my friend, on average. The budget shall be balanced on a 15-20 rolling period, and no, they're not allowed to load the savings period on the back end. This is because I see programs like 'fedjobs' expanding and contracting in counterbalance to the economy, which operates on about a 17 year cycle.
Along with reforming prisons to reduce costs, end the war on some drugs. Treat addiction as a medical condition, not a crime.
Business: I'd hit the copyright system, vastly shortening terms before I go after patents. Patent wise I'd simply go back to requiring an example before you're allowed to patent it.
Legal/Security: Yep
Education: I'm more of the type where we can do this somewhat with the middle class/upper levels where parents are extremely interested in education levels. In poorer areas or where parents are on the whole utterly uninterested in their children's education, you have to step back and re-assess. Concentrate on teaching the kids what they'll need to live in today's society with a decent living. Shoot for lower-middle class, not middle class and higher for a few, discarding the rest.
I don't read AC A human right
The minute you declare what material goods "society" will provide all individuals you became a collectivist and are no friend of individual liberty. Since you didn't say these goods will be supplied on an entirely voluntary basis I'm forced to assume you intend to compel those with means to support those without.
And there's still that pesky problem of... where do you ship your drugs to?
The sellers don't give a shit about the address they're sending *to*. On their end they can just toss a package in a corner mailbox with no return address. And the buyers figure the feds only care about the sellers, because who's going to waste time prosecuting some dude for buying a couple hits of acid when they can go for the guy selling and producing a couple hundred? Plus many police departments are funded partially from seized assets. Go for the buyer, you get drugs, and you burn them. Go for the seller and you get drug money, which will pay for your next year-end bonus.
Failures of bitcoins should be a major concern to sellers...along with any failures of Tor...but that's about all. Most buyers don't care even if it's guaranteed that some sellers are honeypots, because they figure the feds won't come after a small-scale buyer.
However, at the same time, periodic testing and background checks are becoming a way of life. The big casualty in the War on Drugs is justice. Poor teenage drug users get incarcerated much more frequently than rich teenage drug users. The US government routinely routinely ruins the lives of young people doing nothing differently than what George Bush or Barack Obama did when younger(and in Bush's case had a father able to pull political strings to get his cocaine bust sealed).
I think that something like Silk road is pretty much inevitable-but so is expanded drug testing that will eventually include folks in positions of power and responsibility. At some point use of drugs may do little more than restrict someone from living in particular cities or communities-and lying about drug use to business associates or constituents will become impossible-but without the act of lying, much drug or chronic alcohol use will loose its allure.
No, the US government cannot reliable shut down Silk Road-but it could create a sound drug testing program for members of congress, the President and all senior members of the government. It could require that all police and prison guards-and attorneys be free of hard drugs or chronic alcohol abuse. Here is a published article where I developed some of these ideas previously.
Ever heard of "parallel construction"? The NSA can do what it likes. All it has to do is point the feds in the right direction and let them do the rest. Everyone makes mistakes. Your only chance is to minimize the impact of your inevitable mistakes.