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Nokia Shareholders Approve Sale To Microsoft

mrspoonsi writes "Nokia shareholders met today at an extraordinary general meeting (EGM) to vote on whether or not to accept the terms of the company's proposed sale of its devices and services business to Microsoft. The deal, which was first announced in September, is worth €5.44bn EUR ($7.35bn USD / £4.57bn GBP), and also includes provisions for Microsoft to license patents from the Finnish company. 78% of those eligible to vote had already voted before the EGM. Of those early votes, a staggering 99% had voted in favour of the sale to Microsoft."

182 comments

  1. Sup by clickson · · Score: 1

    A sad day for the mobile biz.

    1. Re:Sup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Better summary: "after giving Microsoft an extended blowjob, Nokia now spread her buttcheeks, waiting for the final thrust".

    2. Re:Sup by TheLink · · Score: 2

      I thought it was more "You break it, you buy it". ;)

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  2. Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. buys other increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur for lots of money.

    News at 11

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    1. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      More relevance than you will ever have.

    2. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      When Slashdot sells out and disappears in a few years, it will be the same response.

      Sadly, this site is as relevant as Nokia currently is.

    3. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

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    4. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I think they used to sell more than a million phones per day (over a year), maybe that's not relevant but the correct price may be argued.

    5. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 1

      Is that meant to be insightful, somehow? I'm quite happy not to be in any spotlights.

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    6. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdogma tenant 4: if the OS isn't Linux, it's irrelevant. (some consider OSX relevant because it has the same command line syntax)
      Tenant 5 is similar, that if you can't git something, it might as well not exist (yes, this does even mean svn is ignored)

    7. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Desktops/laptops are not 100% of the world's computers!

    8. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      But they're EVIL! EVIL I tells ya! They eat PUPPIES at their company picnic. PUPPIES!

    9. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consider the things that most computer users do. Now consider the devices that they can do (and do do.. ho ho) these things on. Smartphones, tablets, consoles, internet enabled TVs, and everything else that you can now use for things like Facebook, Netflix, editing documents, etc. You have now noticed that their market relevance is nowhere near 95%. And it's falling.

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    10. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by riis138 · · Score: 2

      Say what you will about Nokia but as someone who has owned Apple and Samsung devices previously, I have to say my Lumia is the best phone I have ever owned.

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    11. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Nokia has been "owned" by MS for a while now though, so this news really just isn't surprising in any way. And it doesn't seem like it will benefit anyone other than Nokia shareholders looking to cash out.

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    12. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I consider it this way. My Smartphone has more power and RAM and runs more apps than my "High end" desktop PC from 13 years ago (Circa 2000), and in some ways has better features than the PC from 13 years ago. It isn't a "full desktop" so what, it is a computer!!

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    13. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tenant - a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
      Tenet - a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
      Pedant - left as an excercise for the reader.

      (It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

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    14. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdogma tenant 4

      The word you're looking for is "tenet." A tenant is "a person or group that rents and occupies land, a house, an office, or the like, from another for a period of time; lessee." [dictionary.com]

    15. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fuck, these days they probably aren't even 50%

      250 million smartphones sold in Q3 2013.

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    16. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Who sells them those consoles? Microsoft.
      Microsoft is still the reference for office stuff and games, and there is really no way around it.

    17. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately for Microsoft, those kinds of computers aren't a growth industry any more. The tide's going out.

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    18. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain Slashdogma is a landlord with (at least) two oddly named tenants (perhaps for their protection): 4 and 5. They are apparently both opinionated on the topic of computer software, and he provided a couple relevant quotes. I really don't see the problem.

    19. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 1

      Hahaha.. yeah they sell a console, sure.

      Microsoft is still one of the main office players yes. There have been ways around that for quite a while, and there continue to be more ways around it.

      The reference for games, though..? What are you smoking?

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    20. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      For a definition of "computer" that hasn't been relevant for five or six years now.

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    21. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      The xbox 360 was clearly the winner of the previous generation.
      The wii did get a lot of sales, but it was from casual people and not more regular and serious game consumers.

    22. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by jeffy210 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tenant - a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
      Tenet - a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
      Pedant - left as an excercise for the reader.

      (It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

      Tennant - The Doctor

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    23. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      What we need is a "sad but true" mod as that has been the MO of Ballmer's tenure at MSFT, buy up companies that are either has beens or just starting out and proceed to completely cock them up and ruin anything that may have been good about them by trying to shape them into a half baked ripoff of whatever was hip. See Kin, Zune, Sidekick, that ad company they bought trying to ape Google, I swear the shareholders would see a better ROI if they replaced Ballmer with a monkey throwing poo at a copy of the business section of the Times and had the company buy whatever stock the monkey covered in the most shit.

      I only hope that whomever they get to replace the sweaty one has a brain and quits trying to turn Windows into a sailphone because we really don't have a viable replacement for Windows on the desktop yet. Linux has and will have driver issues as long as Torvalds is in charge, Android is frankly at Win9X level when it comes to stability, with everyone I know including myself experiencing sleep of death, random hangs and crashes, and Apple is too locked down with too little choice and ALL of it overpriced.

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    24. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 1

      Clearly by what metric? The PS3 also outsold the 360 eventually. The Wii kicked both their asses in terms of pushing units. Xbox and PS3 are about the same in terms of games and all the "exclusive" BS.

      Don't all Xbox "exclusives" also come out for Windows after a while? It seems kind of redundant to have one IMO. Whereas some of my favourite games ever have been PC or PS3 only..

      After more than six years of playing catch up, lifetime PlayStation 3 sales have passed lifetime Xbox 360 sales to become the second bestselling home console for the seventh generation. According to VGChartz latest sales data the PlayStation 3 has sold 77,313,472 units to date, while the Xbox 360 has sold 77,311,669 units.

      The PlayStation 3 first launched on November 11, 2006, nearly one year after the Xbox 360, which launched on November 22, 2005.

      The gap was just over five million units when the PlayStation 3 launched, but it grew to more than eight million units as the PlayStation 3 struggled to take off when it first launched. However, after the first console redesign, price cuts and major software releases the PlayStation 3 started outselling the Xbox 360 on a weekly basis.

      In 2010, the PlayStation 3 managed to catch up by 600,000 units and in 2011 by nearly 900,000 units. In 2012, the PlayStation 3 sold 12.73 million units, while the Xbox 360 managed to sell 11.10 million units. In just the first five months of 2013 the PlayStation 3 has outsold the Xbox 360 by one million units.

      The Wii, the bestselling home console for the seventh generation, is 22.35 million units ahead of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. However, the PlayStation 3 has caught up by 2.50 million units in just five months.

      http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250980/playstation-3-lifetime-sales-overtakes-the-xbox-360/

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    25. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by fritsd · · Score: 1

      I am amused and impressed by your reading comprehension.

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    26. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      PC-like games go to xbox 360. PS3 has mostly japanese console-only games, which are not a replacement for a PC.

    27. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      They dont even have 95% of DESKTOP computers anymore let alone anywhere near that number for total computers. Every Android/iOS device is another computer against MS's count. MS is shrinking and in doing so their relative power shrinks exponentially. MS's only strength is their monopoly and its dying.

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    28. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Great, too bad its ecosystem is dead. There is simply no apps. I went on the windows store on my 8.1 tablet. No Pandora, no banking app, no anything pretty much. I think the nokia phones are nice, but they are hamstrung by their shitty ecosystem.

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    29. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 1

      They're not a replacement exactly, but it does make the 360 irrelevant IMO. I had all 3 consoles plus a decent PC in the last generation, and my 360 got the least use.

      I know that's anecdotal evidence, but I realised after a short while that a Microsoft console was completely redundant. The only reason to have an Xbox is if you can't wait for the games to come out on PC. Gears of War, Halo, Fable etc have come out for PC. Forza hasn't, but I tried it and wasn't exactly smitten (I love driving).

      The PS3 doesn't have "mostly Japanese console-only games". The PS3 and Xbox BOTH have "mostly" the same games - which are also then available on PC after a while.

      Sony and Nintendo both have exclusives that don't come out on PC. So I probably will end up with a PS4, and maybe a Wii U once they come down in price and work out their teething issues. I don't feel a burning desire for either yet.

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    30. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case I cancel my comment. :) Damn, touché...

    31. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I would never write a document or manage an excel file on a mobile device (not included laptops). It's inefficient to say the least. I'd also love to see one do his taxes on a Galaxy S3 or Iphone 5. Even banking is still limited on mobile devices due to the companies not being completely cough up with all the feature that are available via a standard browser. CURRENT mobile devices aren't input friendly and that is one major reason they aren't crushing the PC market. And not sure who came up with the 95% figure but there's no way the PC market is still at 95%. Maybe 75% but not 95%.

    32. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Wootery · · Score: 2

      It isn't a "full desktop" so what, it is a computer!!

      Really? Ok:

      The form factor counts for a lot. Big numbers alone don't enable me to type up my dissertation: for that, I need a full-size keyboard and a full-size monitor. Your smart-phone provides neither.

      There's still a place for 'full desktops', and there will be for the foreseeable future.

    33. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      The wii did get a lot of sales, but it was from casual people and not more regular and serious game consumers.

      No true scotsman ......

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    34. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by lgw · · Score: 1

      I have a smartphone, but it's an appliance, like my smart TV. I have a box with a keyboard, mouse and monitor at home that I use to write and run general purpose software, and it's not a smartphone. It also has a Hell of a lot more power than the appliances (imaging ripping and converting a bluray with a smartphone - it's possible, and I'm sure someone's done it, but someone was very patient).

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    35. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got all of the apps I care about.

    36. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      They can name the union of dying companies Necrosoft.

    37. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have you know that I have git-svn good sir! And hg-git! And p4-git! And git-cvs! I can git anything I want! You don't own me! ...

      !

    38. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "excersize" - Should be "exercise".

    39. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

      Well, 95% of desktop computers, right? And desktop computers are being relegated to more of a support role. There are fewer and fewer reasons for the average person to own a Windows PC when they can do everything from a phone or tablet (and not a Surface or Surface RT). So taking into account that most smart phones are Android, most embedded systems are not Windows-based and many servers are not running Windows, they kinda are becoming irrelevant. Mind you, it's of their own choosing. The minute Microsoft decides to become relevant, they become relevant -- unless they wait too long.

    40. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      The form factor counts for a lot. Big numbers alone don't enable me to type up my dissertation: for that, I need a full-size keyboard and a full-size monitor. Your smart-phone provides neither.

      In most cases, neither your full-size keyboard nor your full-size monitor run Windows.

    41. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      About a decade and a half ago, I thought of how the future of computing might be and I envisioned people walking around with portable computer storage pods (think hard drives in a case) that would be plugged into "computer shells" via special slots. This would turn the shell into the user's customized computer with all of their applications and preferences.

      Nowadays, we have smartphones and tablets that are just as portable as those "pods" I thought of so long ago and much more powerful. Add a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as well as a monitor (via a HDMI Out port) and you could turn your smartphone/tablet into a full fledged keyboard that would rival any desktop computer from 2000.

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    42. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by lgw · · Score: 1

      buy up companies that are either has beens or just starting out and proceed to completely cock them up and ruin anything that may have been good about them by trying to shape them into a half baked ripoff of whatever was hip

      There's nothing unique to MS about that. That's just how large tech companies work - you see the same from Yahoo, Google, Cisco, Symantec, EA, etc. And the simple fact is most new products fail, you just hear about them more when they fail after a large company buys them.

      As far as messing with Windows, I'm hanging on to my keys for Win7 forever, but at least there's a big shakeup at MS and who knows, maybe they'll "get it". They came back from Vista, after all.

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    43. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by gwjgwj · · Score: 1

      4 is named evenly.

    44. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by twilightzero · · Score: 1

      Cue conspiracy theories about how Microsoft persuaded Nokia to go all in on Windows phones, knowing full well it would flop and cause the company to stumble hard enough to enable a cheap buyout.

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    45. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Tennents - Strong but rather horrid tasting beer.

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    46. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There are fewer and fewer reasons for the average person to own a Windows PC when they can do everything from a phone or tablet (and not a Surface or Surface RT).

      Tell you what, when that day arrives get back to us, mmmkay?

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    47. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I don't think they knew it would fumble. I'm sure they honestly hoped that having Nokia (a well respected hardware manufacturer at the time) produce the latest Windows phone would make them catch on. Having the stock tank and be an easy buy-out was just Plan B.

    48. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tennents - Strong but rather horrid tasting beer.

      I give you the "horrid tasting" bit, but dispute the "strong" bit. Only one of their brands counts as strong in any way. Some other beers are also fairly strong.

    49. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing wrong with puppies that mustard won't cure!

    50. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by mirix · · Score: 1

      If you start counting embedded things as 'computers', traditional 'computers' must fall to a few percent.

      Think of it... at least one in each car, often several. Most every modern TV, router, etc.

      With narrower scope, most appliances really... though the microcontrollers are often doing pretty lame tasks that were previously done with (electro)mechanical trickery. The electronic replacement now has more efficiency and features, and (generally, but certainly not always - implementation is important!) is more reliable. Often cheaper, too.

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    51. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Windows Store != Windows Phone Store. Windows Store is less likely to contain things like banking apps or Pandora, because with a full desktop browser (including Flash) in every machine capable of using the Windows Store, there's a lot less need for it.

      Windows Phone's store has Pandora (and a ton of other music services), apps for nearly all significant banks by now (although it took them a while; six months ago there were some very notable omissions), and tons of other such stuff. It's not up to Google Play or iOS App Store counts yet, of course, but well past where those stores were when they were considered "successful" and it was said that "there's an app for that".

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    52. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      I have the 3 consoles and a high-end PC. My PC is mostly for working (and runs Linux most of the time anyway), and most of my gaming is on the xbox 360.
      The japanese do not release their games on PC, only on consoles (except for doujinshi games, eroge or other indies). And very few of their games make it to the xbox. They're the reason why I bought a PS3 in the first place.

      As you can see, your anecdotal evidence is not verified by me.

    53. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Revenue is made on the sales of games, not consoles.
      A casual gamer doesn't play much, so he won't buy many games either. That means less revenue per gamer.

    54. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      If you start counting embedded things as 'computers', traditional 'computers' must fall to a few percent.

      The same thing was said when "microcomputers" started being called "computers" rather than real computers, ie "mainframes".

    55. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Only one of their brands counts as strong in any way.

      The others don't count because nobody drinks them for the reasons already given.

      Do you know how many extra hours you have to spend begging to be able to afford Carlsberg Special Brew?

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    56. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't think anybody will try that again. (The Atrix did and nobody bought them).

      Now the docks are quite desirable for the Rasberry pi though.

    57. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by JamieIanMacgregor · · Score: 1

      I always thought we'd end up with a 1" cube with one port, pretty close to those android sticks they're selling these days.

    58. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Nowadays, we have smartphones and tablets that are just as portable as those "pods" I thought of so long ago and much more powerful. Add a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as well as a monitor (via a HDMI Out port) and you could turn your smartphone/tablet into a full fledged keyboard that would rival any desktop computer from 2000.

      So why don't people do that?

      I think a large part of it is software. Android was simply not designed as a desktop OS. It was designed for devices with small touchscreens and it shows both in the interface of the OS itself (no multiwindow for example) and in the design of applications untended to run on it. MS went to all the effort of porting windows to arm but then refused to let people actually run third party desktop apps on the thing*.

      The surface pro line has promise if MS can shed the stigma the surface line has built up and get the weight down.

      * Yes I know there is a hack to bypass this but that's not the point.

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    59. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by lordofthechia · · Score: 1

      My first android phone (G1 - 2008 ) had better specs than the beast of a computer I built in 1998) for 1/10th the price!

      1998 - Pentium II 300 PC w/ Hitachi 17" monitor $5500
      MIPS: 380
      Ram: 128 MB
      Storage: 6GB SCSI drive + 1GB Jaz drive
      Screen: 1600 x 1200 24 bit color
      Networking: Ethernet + 56k modem
      Other Accessories: Cheapo microphone
      Other Benefits: Upgradeable. Built in anti-theft (heavy as hell).

      2008 - G1 $480 + $20 (SD card)
      MIPS: 630
      RAM: 192 MB
      Storage: 192 MB + SD (8GB)
      Screen: 320 x 480 16 bit color (only spec it really loses on)
      Networking: Wifi + GPRS + EDGE
      Other Accessories: Camera, GPS, accelerometer, compass, microphone
      Other Benefits: Fits in the palm of my frikkin' hand! Makes calls!

      That phone was my "Holy shit, I'm living in the future!" moment. Don't get me started on the current smart phones out now.

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    60. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Do you actually have a point, or are you just enjoying pedantry?

      In case the intent of my message somehow wasn't obvious to you: A full-size keyboard and full-size monitor are necessary, but not sufficient.

    61. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Desktops/laptops are not 100% of the world's computers!

      Until an anti-trust lawsuit comes along.

    62. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I don't know about your smartphone, but mine comes with MHL and Bluetooth keyboard support (I was going to say USB-OTG, but I think if you're using the MHL port, you can't use USB at the same time since they share the same physical plug).

    63. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      My point was that most people's phones are easily capable of running whatever software a person needs to type up a dissertation. Needing a keyboard and monitor is not sufficient to need Windows.

    64. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I thought they were one and the same. What the fuck is the point of Modern UI then? Why would they be different? Holy shit MS marketing is the worst.

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    65. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Oh lord let us hope so! My dad needed a new laptop when he had to go into rehab after knee surgery and all they had was Win 8 and I thought "My dad is the kind of folks Win 8 is supposed to be targeted at, those that know very little about computing and maybe the big icons will help him see a little better". I figured this would be the perfect user test and dropped it off at lunch and told him I'd be back at supper....know what I got told when I got there? "Take this son of a bitch and run over it with your truck!". BTW he was NOT joking, he was THAT pissed off at Windows 8!

      Personally I have never seen a product so broken an I have used every version of Windows, home and business, since Windows 3.1 /WinNT 3.5, and have NEVER seen such a fucking trainwreck,even WinME wasn't THIS bad. How anybody can defend that POS I'll never know because after spending the night hacking the reg and putting a shell replacement in I got it to "kinda sorta" behave like Win 7 but it was still annoying enough that my dad went and bought a tablet and put the new laptop in the closet. Everybody says "oh just use Start8/ClassicShell whatever and its just like Win 7"...bullshit, fucking BULLSHIT, as you can NEVER fully kill that charms and swipe horseshit!

      So like you I'm hanging onto my Win 7 discs for dear life but I don't know what the fuck we are gonna do if MSFT puts "Burning Moron" Elop in charge as the man sounds like he thinks EVERYTHING should be a fucking sailphone, Linux isn't ever gonna be stable on drivers as long as Torvalds has a pulse, Android is like Linux frankly buggy as fuck (and this is coming from somebody who loves his Android phone but I have to deal with more hangs and CPU spikes and bullshit from Android than I have EVER had to deal with from Windows) and Apple is locked down and overpriced, so WTF? If the software houses start requiring Win 8/9 we be fucked and unless they get somebody with some fucking sense in the big chair it looks like MSFT is gonna become a shitty Apple clone.

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    66. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      "excersize" - Should be "exercise".

      See, I told you so.

      (It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

      You missed "an gramatical".

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    67. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Except Nintendo sold the Wii at a profit.

    68. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Overpriced compared to what? All the other laptops with similar specs are similarly priced.

    69. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 1

      You can get generic tablet cases with built in bluetooth keyboards. My flatmate uses hers to do quite a lot of work actually.

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    70. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Wootery · · Score: 1

      My point was that most people's phones are easily capable of running whatever software a person needs to type up a dissertation.

      Right.

      Needing a keyboard and monitor is not sufficient to need Windows.

      I made no mention of Windows. Do you mean 'traditional desktop operating systems'? I agree that there's no obvious reason to carry on using big tower-style computers to power our full-size monitors+keyboards.

      I don't think smartphone OSs will ever be appropriate for use on 'full size' configurations, though, just as 'desktop OSs' are no good on mobile devices (see Windows 8 and the old Windows smart-phones for obvious examples of failed attempts to impose an OS intended for one form-factor, onto the other). Apple were ahead of the curve with their put-everything-in-the-monitor solution in the iMac.

    71. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      It's still very limiting. Why not have a laptop if you're going to carry a keyboard. And those half size keyboards aren't that great unless that's all you've used your whole life.

    72. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does /. mean? An escape? It used to be that for me, not so much anymore. Maybe some brave soul will take slashcode and create ./

    73. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 1

      Battery life, convenience..

      Half-size keyboards are completely fine IMO. I'm 6'2" and never had a problem at all when using my 9" netbook keyboard a few years ago.. I could actually touch type on it fine.

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    74. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I can buy a damned nice hexacore system for $500, and a quad core laptop for $399. Apple uses the same Foxconn shit as Dell yet charges premium prices and I'm sorry but its a scam, they are making crazy high margins because they are selling snake oil as the ONLY thing they have that is better than your average shitty Dell is the screen, that's it.

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    75. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Can you? Where? And where can you buy one with as good a screen as a MBP? Or a 512MB SSD? Why are Ultrabooks so expensive if Apple are just charging for the screen?

    76. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by riis138 · · Score: 0

      Instagram just went into beta yesterday for wp8. Vine also came out with their own app last week. While the lack of apps can be frustrating, they are rigorously tested for security threats, even more so than on iOS or Android. The other thing I like is that every app is sandboxed, so if you do download something malicious it can't touch your other programs. There are also some great alternative apps for many of the absent heavy hitters. If you need some suggestions (I know I did when I first got my phone), shoot me a pm and I would be happy to help.

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    77. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Tigerdirect has several quad laptops under $400 and several hexacore desktops for under $500 and high DPI means exactly jack and squat on a little screen. I also note that you avoided the simple truth that the ONLY difference between what Foxconn makes for Apple and the low end Dell crap is the screen. Again you can make a million DPI screen 1 inch wide...who cares, the world has settled on 1080p and the amount of content that is coming out native to Retina is so tiny as not to exist.

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  3. Get out while the getting is good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Elop has succeeded in destroying Nokia. Hopefully, it will take Microsoft with it!

    1. Re:Get out while the getting is good! by hydrofix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Elop is a likely candidate for the next CEO at Redmond. When you are thinking about Microsoft and Nokia, you must always think in opposites, like in Lewis Carroll's book Through The Looking Glass, to grasp how these companies' management teams operate. So, as in our mere mortals' terms Elop is a miserable executive, who did almost everything in his power to destroy his company's market position, in Redmond-speak it means he is a great manager. Further in their distorted reality field, he is a great choice for the next CEO, because selecting the worst outcome for Microsoft is the management's objective. So, you just might be right about Elop's next job!

    2. Re:Get out while the getting is good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Elop did exactly what he was supposed to do, devalue the company to the point the stockholders were BEGGING for this to happen! So having completed his work at Nokia as planned, going home to Microsoft only makes sense.

    3. Re:Get out while the getting is good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, making the best phones they've made in years. Totally destroyed.

    4. Re:Get out while the getting is good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, sure, like that has ever happened.

    5. Re:Get out while the getting is good! by ignavus · · Score: 1

      Elop has succeeded in destroying Nokia.

      "Mission accomplished!"

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  4. Their only chance by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The two choices:

    A) sell out to Microsoft and get some cash for the shareholders;

    B) go bankrupt and lose everything.

    Yeah, I'd choose A too. Interesting that Blackberry, in pretty much the same position, chose B.

    1. Re:Their only chance by Kjella · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I think Nokia is barely breaking even in a booming market, they're not quite ready for bankruptcy court even if they're becoming a more and more marginal player. But at this point, yeah I'd vote for Microsoft because what alternative is there at this point? None at all.

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    2. Re:Their only chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they would have done a lot better if they have decided to choose Android instead of Microsoft. Microsoft saw this coming, because the Nokia designs were amazing, it still it.

      How to destroy a good company?

    3. Re:Their only chance by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      So you're saying "How to destroy a good company?", install Windows as the OS?

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    4. Re:Their only chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea cause look at all the Android vendors making money. I can count them on my phallus, Samsung.

    5. Re:Their only chance by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blackberry isn't bankrupt, they still have some useful stuff, they just need to utilise it properly.

      If they do go bankrupt it'll be because of management failing to realise their potential, not because they had nothing of value left.

      For example, there'd still be massive scope for Blackberry to start releasing Android devices that were secured to a similar standard to their existing phones and to integrate their business tools into it like BIS.

      Right now whilst business integration tools have improved for the major smartphone platforms iOS, Android and Windows Phone are still primarily consumer focussed operating systems.

      So there'd be a pretty large market for someone with the past experience of Blackberry at satisfying corporate customers to create a purely corporate focussed line of smartphones that are based on iOS, Windows Phone or Android - I suspect Android would be the best bet as it's the easiest option for a third party to customise to the degree needed.

      A range of Android handsets with a determined focus on security, business needs, and easy integration to corporate systems would basically hand them the entire business world and they have much of the groundwork in place that they need to do that. They just need management capable of realising it. A good CEO could have this up and running within a year, anything else and then they'll be bankrupt.

    6. Re:Their only chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly the deal did not include Microsoft buying the patents held by Nokia but instead they've agreed to licensing terms for the patents. Maybe Nokia wants to be a patent holding company much like many venture capitalists in Silicin Valley, California, USA.

    7. Re:Their only chance by cusco · · Score: 2

      there'd still be massive scope for Blackberry to start releasing Android devices that were secured

      You could have stopped there, the gaping security holes in pretty much all of the Android installations on the market, and the even worse ones introduced by manufacturers' preinstalled crapware, need to be dealt with adequately before I'll consider doing anything like online banking on them.

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    8. Re:Their only chance by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing this. An Android fork does take time, though.

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    9. Re:Their only chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Blackberry looks to be doing something better. It's already known that just about any Android app will run on BB10 via side-loading. It's not difficult to do, but is something only technical people are likely to do. 10.2, and specifically 10.2.1, make this main stream. 10.2 updates the android compatibility layer and 10.2.1 will load Android APK files natively without conversion. You'll even be able to load 3rd party android app stores and install directly from your device just like Blackberry world. There's further rumors Blackberry may be working with Gogole to enable Google Play (likely the payment system is holding it up from reading). Poof, there goes the app gap.

      When 10.2.1 hits, you have Blackberry security and access to all Android apps. Pretty compelling.

    10. Re:Their only chance by fritsd · · Score: 1

      The patents are already gone. Watch the cup with the pea here: http://www.vringoip.com/cgi-bin/index.pl.

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    11. Re:Their only chance by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      " before I'll consider doing anything like online banking on them." Security is not really an issue here. Everything is insured and protected from fraud. Banking relies on trust WAY more than it does technology.

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    12. Re:Their only chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    13. Re:Their only chance by dwpro · · Score: 1

      While I believe you had an insightful comment, your spelling errors were making me wince so I had to stop reading. Please get a spellchecker, they're so very useful.

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    14. Re:Their only chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So thats one money maker for every centimeter of your cock...(and no, I'm not insinuating your cock is a money maker)

    15. Re:Their only chance by Xest · · Score: 1

      What spelling errors are you on about exactly?

    16. Re:Their only chance by dwpro · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize I was so unlettered, your British spelling threw me. Still looks wrong. Throw some idioms in there early next time so we yanks can grok.

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    17. Re:Their only chance by Xest · · Score: 1

      No worries I know the feeling, I often encounter the problem when writing code, colour vs. colour, center vs. centre. It's worse when I'm thinking up my own variable names - I'm never sure if I should stick to the American spellings so my code is consistent with the APIs or if I should just spell it for UK English so that it makes more sense to my colleagues and such even if it then mismatches the APIs :)

  5. Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I understand the journalistic desire to phrase things dramatically, but there is nothing staggering about a struggling company accepting a buyout from a company with a perceived strong market position.

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    1. Re:Not so staggering. by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but there is nothing staggering about a struggling company accepting a buyout from a company with a perceived strong market position.

      No, but there's something fishy when a former Microsoft exec came in, gutted the company, made them entirely beholden to Microsoft, and then watched their market share collapse.

      You couldn't construct a better tin-foil hat scenario than a corporate executive making the company ripe to be bought by his former employer.

      To me, either Nokia was incompetently managed, leading to the eventual purchase by Microsoft -- or this was all part of someone's master plan to make this happen.

      And if that person who either incompetently managed Nokia (or masterminded their demise) is a candidate to become the CEO of Microsoft ... you have to ask why someone who is either incompetent or dishonest is being considered.

      CEOs and executives don't seem to get selected for actually being able to do something, but who they know that can make back room deals. To me, Elop was an abysmal failure at the helm of Nokia, so WTF qualifies him to be at the helm of another?

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    2. Re:Not so staggering. by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The staggering newsworthy thing in this case is that it was the company with a perceived strong market position that engineered the other company into a struggling position in the first place.

      Or in other words, this was one of the most blatant planned corporate sabotages and subsequent buyouts of recent history.

      Elop has abysmally failed as a CEO and yet Microsoft are treating him like a hero, even with suggestions he's the frontrunner to run Microsoft itself now. Normally in an acquisition like this he'd be first out the door for creating arguably one of the biggest corporate failures in history (the speed at which Nokia lost assets and fell into a loss making company was staggering). The rest of his family never even left America which strongly implies they knew he was coming back. If that doesn't make it clear that what many people suspect went on isn't just theory then I don't know what would.

      So the news is that what many people theorised was the plan all along actually was. Maybe given that many of us theorised it from the outset means we shouldn't be surprised, but I think the shock that we were right, that Microsoft would be so blatant and open about the game they were playing and so utterly lacking in subtlety is shocking. Most of us are in disbelief that we were right, that the biggest and most succesful phone manufacturer on the planet and that had a strong anti-Microsoft culture could be turned round into a Microsoft takeover victim in just a few short years.

    3. Re:Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 1

      I can agree with that.

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    4. Re:Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 1

      That's not fishy coming from a company like Microsoft. Dirty, underhanded, and unethical, sure. But fishy? Not really. Elop did exactly what he was supposed to do. His loyalties were just not where a Chief Executive's loyalties are supposed to do. He should have been thrown out long before this situation ever happened.

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    5. Re:Not so staggering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he becomes CEO of Microsoft, will the DOJ investigate?

    6. Re:Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 2

      They might, but whether anything comes of it may depend upon whose jurisdiction is relevant. Elop is Canadian, Nokia has their primary headquarters in Espoo.

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    7. Re:Not so staggering. by cusco · · Score: 2

      Nokia was already in decline before Elop came on board, and the decision to abandon Symbian had already been made. His choices were 1) join the stampede towards Android and attempt to compete with established monsters Samsung and LG, 2) resurrect Symbian, or 3) chose a new phone OS. What would your choice have been?

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    8. Re:Not so staggering. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      What would your choice have been?

      What would yours have been? What would Kim Kardashian's have been? What would your mom do? What would Any Kaufman have done?

      See, I'll say right up front -- I'm not qualified to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company. I can't speak for you, but I'll go out on a limb and say none of Kim Kardashian, your mom, nor Andy Kaufman would have been put in this role. So what we would have done is irrelevant.

      Is Elop prepared to say that he's not qualified either? Because otherwise there's an expectation he might actually be supposed to have an idea of what he should have done, and a sound basis upon which to believe it would work (and wishful thinking isn't supposed to count here).

      Instead it sounds like he went back to his roots as someone from Microsoft and decided that Windows is the cure for everything -- possibly to the detriment of the company and the shareholders.

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    9. Re:Not so staggering. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      If this is all you can say on this subject then perhaps you should be silent in deference to the people who actually know this is the culmination of a long term plan. We are now discussing that long term plan.

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    10. Re:Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Seeing that my comment irks you makes it all the more worthwhile. I generally find that if a statement doesn't cause someone to get into a self-righteous snit, it probably wasn't worth making.

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    11. Re:Not so staggering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as long as MS keeps the NSA backdoor in Windows. If MS stops cooperation, maybe.

    12. Re:Not so staggering. by number17 · · Score: 1

      The owners didn't seem to mind otherwise they would have done something about it.

    13. Re:Not so staggering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      4) continue with Maemo - Meego

    14. Re:Not so staggering. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Shareholders fire CEOs more often than you might think. Clearly your ideas about what happened aren't shared by those with an actual financial stake in it all - it's not like the board couldn't see Windows Phone coming when they hired the guy! Nokia was in collapse. Would being the 3rd major Android player been a better choice? Maybe, but going a different direction to try to stand out in a crowded market was more in tune with Nokia's past IMO.

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    15. Re:Not so staggering. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      resurrect Symbian

      Don't say another goddamn word.

      When Elop came on board, Symbian was still the #1 smartphone OS, with a 44% market share. There were challengers appearing, but with proper support, it would have remained a viable contender until they had MeeGo ready, and this one would fare much better than Windows Phone ever will.

    16. Re:Not so staggering. by cusco · · Score: 1

      From an executive point of view MeeGo was an unknown with almost no apps and almost no community developing to write those apps. MS had had successful phone OSs in the past (remember that Windows Embedded ran the first real smart phones), there was a full stable of applications already available and an enormous community of people already accustomed to writing Windows applications.

      Was it the right choice? We'll never know, Ballmer played out his typical scenario of making it too expensive and too late to market. I can't help but think that if Gates had still been at the helm it might well have been a different story. I'm not convinced that MeeGo would have been any more successful. I just looked at the project's home page and it hasn't been updated since 2011, and Tizen's major selling point seems to be that it supports HTML5.

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    17. Re:Not so staggering. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      MeeGo was an unknown with almost no apps and almost no community

      But it had many carriers happy to support it. Unlike Windows Phone.

      remember that Windows Embedded ran the first real smart phones

      No, that'd be the Nokia 9000 Communicator, which ran GEOS.

      there was a full stable of applications already available

      That was true of Windows Mobile, which Microsoft abandoned in favor of the fully incompatible Windows Phone.

      I just looked at the project's home page and it hasn't been updated since 2011

      You don't say, Captain Obvious? Elop killed the damn thing! But, being open-source, MeeGo left an heir: Mer, the basis of Sailfish, which runs on the Jolla - made by a crew of former Nokia engineers.

      and Tizen's major selling point seems to be that it supports HTML5.

      Its major selling point, to manufacturers and carriers, is that it's not under the control of a single company. I guess they learned that from the MeeGo disaster: do not rely on something that can be obtained from only one company, since they may hire an imbecile or a saboteur to run themselves into the fucking ground!

    18. Re:Not so staggering. by Xest · · Score: 1

      Probably because there was more in it for them personally, they knew they'd make more money in the short term through a sale to Microsoft than playing the long game.

      Still shitty for all the staff and for Finland having one of it's largest economic powerhouses effectively asset stripped.

  6. Microsoft just wants the patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next up: They sue Google, Apple, Samsung, and all the others for infringing on "their" work.

    Patent litigation is ridiculous.

    1. Re: Microsoft just wants the patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft is only licensing Nokias patents. Nokia is only selling the mobile phone business, while it keeps it's mapping, patents and mobile network infrastructure business. So Microsoft cannot sue anybody with what it is buying.

    2. Re: Microsoft just wants the patents by jfbilodeau · · Score: 0

      Citation?

      If that's the case, I would feel better.

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    3. Re:Microsoft just wants the patents by fritsd · · Score: 1

      Next up: They sue Google, Apple, Samsung, and all the others for infringing on "their" work.

      Probably NOT. Probably some lesser known company like Vringo or Intellectual Ventures, who have nothing at all to do wiht Microsoft (legally), will sue Google Apple Samsung et. al. for infringing on "their" work.

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    4. Re: Microsoft just wants the patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation?

      If that's the case, I would feel better.

      http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/03/microsoft-to-acquire-nokias-devices-services-business-license-nokias-patents-and-mapping-services/

      "both companies have decided to enter into a transaction whereby Microsoft will purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, license Nokia's patents, and license and use Nokia's mapping services."

    5. Re: Microsoft just wants the patents by x181 · · Score: 1

      Nokia has been effectively castrated. It's only a matter of time now for the rest of the company to devalue even more. That means purchasing patents for even cheaper in the future.

  7. You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They played a great game here. First they convinced Nokia to tank their phone business further by throwing out any linux development and installing a hap-dash blinkenlights hail-mary operating system onto their phones to further tank their value before buying them out... ...wait.

    1. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nokia was never huge on Linux development, they had the n900, and that was about it. If you think they could have stayed competitive with Symbian, you're out of your mind.

    2. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by riis138 · · Score: 1

      Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

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    3. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Never huge? Well, you don't know what you're saying.

      Just look at how much Nokia patched the TI shit code.

      Just look how much they did work with Maemo.
      Or Meego as it was called later.

      That was Linux all the way...

    4. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And where are all those operating systems now?

    5. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by X.25 · · Score: 1

      Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

      It sure does. Market share shows it.

      Nokia sold out its soul to get few shitty percent share on US market.

      If that's what they wanted...

    6. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

      Actually, it would have. It's a much better sell to have a 41 megapixel camera that can upload the pictures it takes to Instagram. They could differentiate themselves in the market by offering Nokia Music and Nokia Maps, yes, things duplicated by Google to some extent, but still worthy properties to help differentiate themselves. Nokia was legendary for having phones that were difficult to break, and while Lumias might not be as indestructible as some of their older candy bar phones, even if they beat out iPhones and Galaxy units by 15%, that would be significant enough to differentiate them.

      Finally, if they wanted to stand out and not spend a mint, they could have given consumers the option, at least - allowing users to install either WP8 or Android, depending on which suited them better. Yes, it's a support nightmare and I understand that..but if we're talking about differentiating features, then you don't get much more different from the current crop of phones than to have the ability to pick your OS.

      Being different is good. Being different in a way that the market has generally deemed undesirable is not a way to increase sales.

    7. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maemo and Meego were Nokia's "skunk works" projects, kept far away from their mainstream consumer phone business. Trust me, Microsoft didn't have to kill off that area. It was dead even while S60 was riding high.

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    8. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Nokia was never huge on Linux development, they had the n900, and that was about it.

      N710, N800, N900, N9.

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    9. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had QT

    10. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by jcdr · · Score: 2

      Actually this was: N770, N800, N810, N900, (n990), N9.

    11. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by jcdr · · Score: 1

      Err, Replace the (n990) by (N950).

    12. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      If we keep going we'll eventually get it right :-)

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    13. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maemo and Meego were Nokia's "skunk works" projects, kept far away from their mainstream consumer phone business. Trust me, Microsoft didn't have to kill off that area. It was dead even while S60 was riding high.

      The surprising number (due to total lack of marketing) of sold Meego-based N9 phones says that your'e full of shit.

    14. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This first was Nokia 770 (not N770).

    15. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by jcdr · · Score: 1

      Your are right (verified on my own device).
      So:
      Nokia 770
      Nokia N800
      Nokia N810
      Nokia N900
      Nokia N950 (never sold)
      Nokia N9

      The N810 was my favorite to do SSH session. Still hard to find something comparable today.

    16. Re: You really have to admire Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where? In automobile IVI systems and partially in Jolla's mobile phone.
      Also maybe elsewhere but fuck you if I will tell you.

    17. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      I can still log in to my server using a sweet putty client on my iPaq running WinCE2003SE. I don't actually do that because the wifi stack doesn't support anything except unsecured anymore, but I could if I really wanted to, jus sayin...

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  8. Fare Thee Well, Nokia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But truthfully, you've been sliding towards the grave for some time now. It's not all Microsoft's fault.

    1. Re:Fare Thee Well, Nokia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES it is! M$ killed Nokia to steal their superior phone technology. You're as blind as you are stupid.

  9. I'm kind of amazed... by HerculesMO · · Score: 2, Informative

    That people reference Nokia as a failure due to Elop, as if it was doing so well in the smartphone arena before he took over? Have a sense of reality folks. Nokia was dying fast, and while the MS integration may or not have been a great idea, something had to be done. I will let history judge the actions, but in many parts of Europe, Nokia is overtaking the iPhone in sales... so there is that.

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    1. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by ruir · · Score: 1

      I am European and I would not use an Nokia even if I were paid for that. Back in here I am seeing people with buying power buying iPhones, and people with budget limits (teens) almost exclusively in Android. Would you care to elaborate the "many parts of Europe"?

    2. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by jcdr · · Score: 1

      Take in account that less than 10% of past Nokia customers are willing to switch to Windows Phone. 90% of them have switched to Android or iOS.

    4. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sense of reality?

      The guy is selected as the CEO of Nokia, and as the first step in power, publicly trashes the company cash cow (Symbian), announcing the premature end of the high-end product line when there's absolutely nothing to replace it. To ensure this, he also kills the skunkworks Linux phone projects, that were already gathering a cult following with their first products.

      Unsurprisingly, the market share of the former #1 market giant drops like a stone.

      That is pure Harvard Business School case material for Ultimate Fail. Good luck to Microsoft if he becomes their CEO next - the guy is a walking time bomb.

    5. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That people reference Nokia as a failure due to Elop, as if it was doing so well in the smartphone arena before he took over? Have a sense of reality folks. Nokia was dying fast, and while the MS integration may or not have been a great idea, something had to be done. I will let history judge the actions, but in many parts of Europe, Nokia is overtaking the iPhone in sales... so there is that.

      Something had to be done... like tell everyone and their dog not to even think about touching, let alone buying any current Symbian-based Nokia phone, because
      a) It's a dead end
      b) The appstore (Ovi) is being shut down.
      c) The developers are being shood away from the platform.

      That sounds like a brilliant idea... to kill whatever marketshare Nokia had at the time. Which was actually huge.

    6. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Wow, I expected this to be an "explosion" from 1% to 3% or something, but Windows phone is actually doing well in Europe, on par with iPhone. Android completely dominates, of course, and Blackberry has all but vanished.

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    7. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

      Nokia still maintains a very strong brand name, one that Blackberry lost years ago.

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    8. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      I've been posting this on /. for months now. only in the US is (a) iPhone so dominant and (b) Windows Phone so under-rated in the rest of the world. iPhone is declining and WinPhone is burgeoning. Let me put it this way: your 8-year old wants an 'iPhone' why not pay 1/4 the cost and get a Nokia 520 that does most of what an iPhone does just as well , and a lot of it a lot better.

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    9. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      UK != European, which is where I suspect you are from. In Germany I see them now all the time. In Spain I have the impression that coloured plastic is everywhere and it's NOT iPhone 5cs. I've not visited Italy recently but I hear it's doing even better there. don't take my word for it

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    10. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by ruir · · Score: 1

      Personally I already hated my company issued Nokia phones *before* Windows, and I threw a Win CE GPS phone out of the window of my car because I hated it so much, so no Nokia for me. I also have a couple of salesmen I know that hate their windows phone, but bought it because they thought it would be great like their Windows computer. Anedoctal tales they bring me tell about entire workforces with Windows-issued phones that hate it so much they carry the company issued phone AND an iPhone.

    11. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by ruir · · Score: 1

      I am actually from Portugal. In the rare occasions I travel by train, and at university, I have seen teens with maybe > 90% Android. The odds ones have 2nd-hand iPhones, and we seen a lot of people with Iphone 4/4S due to people really wanting an iphone, but not willing to pay its hefty tag, and asinine operator contracts. People affluent are either with high end Androids or most of the time iPhones. If I discount the Microsoft salespeople we see often, I can go for days, maybe weeks without a Windows phone in sight.

    12. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Well, WinCE is a different story - I mean, even MS called it "wince". The newer ones seems fine to me, if still lacking apps, but maybe I'm a bad sample since I mostly use my phone to make calls, and as a kindle/audible/media player.

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    13. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by ruir · · Score: 1

      Renaming a product doesn't make it different as far as i know. Granted, it has been a few years, however the sucessor was called different due to obvious marketing failures.

    14. Re:I'm kind of amazed... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Windows phone 8 isn't WinCE based, is the point. It's an entirely new OS, and it's very much like the difference between WinME and WinXP: a whole different world, with none of the old problems, but some new ones.

      Really, the whole Metro UI is fine for a smart phone - at least for what I use my android for, I don't know what I'd complain about. The only functional difference I can see is for folks who want to root their phones and hack on them.

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  10. The End by symbolset · · Score: 2

    Exit, stage right.

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  11. Snapchat by felipou · · Score: 2

    So Snapchat is worth about 40% of Nokia. Interesting.

  12. Succinctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mission Accomplished!

  13. "Computers" by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

    ...for a very specific subset of "computers":
    i.e.: big desktop machines, in homes and offices.

    Absolutely every other device with similar computing specs that is interracted directly with, or that is relied behind-the-scene on, runs something else.
    (Tablets, Smartphones, home wifi router/modem, home micro-NAS for backups, the set-top box or media under the TV and/or the TV itself, the infotainment system in the Car: i.e. everything at home beside the laptop [the single device running Windows] and the Microwave Oven [still powered by a micro-controller, not enough power for a full-blown OS])
    mostly shared between Linux (either GNU or Android), *BSD, and specialised OSes like QNX.

    (and at work, as long as it's not a SOHO who is dependant on Microsoft Directory Service and Sharepoint, you can bet that pretty much everything behind the scene run some flavour of Unix)

    In short, the "year of Linux on everything except the desktop" has come since long time.

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  14. Quite simple by x181 · · Score: 2

    Steven Elop works for microsoft. Steven Elop goes to Nokia. Steven Elop restructures and retools Nokia to be a Microsoft shop. Steven Elop cuts Nokia's market cap in half. Microsoft buys Nokia. Steven Elop becomes CEO of Microsoft in a few years (after Ballmer's successor resigns after 2 years). You guys connect the dots yet? I'm sure Nokia has a lot of patents Microsoft wants.

    1. Re:Quite simple by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      It may well have been an orchestrated plan by MS from the start, but Nokia was worthless the day the iPhone was released. That was a long long time before Elop took over. All he did was bulldoze the collapsing tenemant and start a new building form a clean foundation.

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  15. might as well by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    It's not worth much anymore.

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  16. Elop by beefoot · · Score: 1

    Mr Elop maybe an undercover MS employee whose sole mission is to crash nokia so MS can buy it at a bargain. Just saying :-) Cheers.

  17. Lost non US advantage by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The horrible thing is that they could have had a great marketing advantage by being able to say, "Our phones' OS, design, legal control, and manufacturing all take place in a country that will take your security seriously. We do not answer to the whims of US officials and will, in fact, be abusive to their requests."

    This would have garnered them a nice chunk of the market.

    That is gone now.

  18. You will be assimilated by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    Nokia has been assimilated by Microsoft. ...why did /. change its icon for MS again? The old one is so appropriate! Who wants to photoshop Elop into it?

    http://kaioa.com/b/1102/svgjng/images/microsoft_64.png

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  19. I couldn't be bothered to read the /. hatefest by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1
    Nokia are making phones that are winning awards and market share and their share price is rocketing

    I had an N95, it was great for its time but became an anachronism the day the iPhone was released. Today you can buy Nokia phones that do more than iPhone for less money. Really, /. Nobody likes Microsoft but it's time to accept that Winphone is a good product, that people like it, and that it is going to seriously challenge Apple and Google.

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    1. Re: I couldn't be bothered to read the /. hatefest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What R U smoking?

  20. 20% by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    Fuck, these days they probably aren't even 50%

    Most figure it's even lower than that. M$ market share is only around 20%, old numbers did not include phones. When you count phones, tablets, servers, super computers, and so on, M$ is well on its way to becoming irrelevant. It's only the nasty mess and the legacy of dirty business practices that they leave behind for us.

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  21. Certainly wouldn't be 'Get in bed with Microsoft' by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has shafted every single partner its had. Secondly, it was in decline. Thirdly, it's a very unpopular brand.

    So your first step is to rule out Microsoft.

    The other thing you don't do is tell people your two main platforms are dead. Especially when one of them was easily the best phone operating system at the time, your first product based on it was done, was beautiful and would end up with some of the most positive reviews in the history of the industry.

    Now maybe it would never have attracted developer support but in spite of being a dead-end phone that Nokia refused to sell in their main markets, it still sold 1-3 million units.

    Personally, I would have supported Android and Meego on the same hardware: default Android but dual boot and shared data. Meanwhile, I'd have bought out OpenMobile or Alien Dalvik and got Android apps running on Meego, just as Jolla have on Sailfish.

    Would it have worked? Not necessarily, but it's not hard to see the N9 selling 3+ million units and that's a good enough start for anyone. They had the best hardware division period and some nice software up their sleeves. They also had prototype Meego tablets. Symbian would have tailed off more slowly.

    At best, you can say that, things looked different then than they do now. Android and Apple were at the height of their popularity. Blackberry 10 was "due". Microsoft may have stayed relevant if they hadn't messed up Windows 8 and sold the Surface (Pro) at cost.

    Also, who looks more incompetent, Elop with his $25m sale-of-Nokia bonus or the board of directors?

  22. Microsoft Vs. Blackberry by Monsuco · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's purchase of Nokia might be bad news for... Blackberry! Yes, Blackberry's current niche is with enterprise is basically that they own the hardware, the software and they have server software for the back end. Really tight Exchange and Active Directory integration on mobile devices would be something a few companies would love to have. Most companies already have Microsoft's Windows Server deployed with Active Directory and a good chunk of them already have Exchange. Tack on integration with other Microsoft technologies like Sharepoint, Remote Desktop, WSUS, SCCM and full-featured versions of good 'ol Office and Microsoft might be in a great position to command a strong niche market for enterprises.

    Windows 8 based phones and tablets may never be popular with consumers, but Microsoft doesn't necessarily need to have them be their customers. Enterprises are already using Windows Server to manage their computers so some might naturally veer towards using mobile devices that can be managed in the same way.

  23. Nokia by amonamaranth · · Score: 1

    Nokia can still turn around things.