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Healthcare.gov and the Gulf Between Planning and Reality

An anonymous reader writes in with this excerpt from Shirky.com. "The idea that 'failure is not an option' is a fantasy version of how non-engineers should motivate engineers. That sentiment was invented by a screenwriter, riffing on an after-the-fact observation about Apollo 13; no one said it at the time. (If you ever say it, wash your mouth out with soap. If anyone ever says it to you, run.) Even NASA's vaunted moonshot, so often referred to as the best of government innovation, tested with dozens of unmanned missions first, several of which failed outright. Failure is always an option. Engineers work as hard as they do because they understand the risk of failure. And for anything it might have meant in its screenplay version, here that sentiment means the opposite; the unnamed executives were saying 'Addressing the possibility of failure is not an option.' ... Healthcare.gov was unable to complete even a thousand enrollments a day at launch, and for weeks afterwards. As we now know, programmers, stakeholders, and testers all expressed reservations about Healthcare.gov's ability to do what it was supposed to do. Yet no one who understood the problems was able to tell the President. Worse, every senior political figure—every one—who could have bridged the gap between knowledgeable employees and the President decided not to. And so it was that, even on launch day, the President was allowed to make things worse for himself and his signature program by bragging about the already-failing site and inviting people to log in and use something that mostly wouldn't work. Whatever happens to government procurement or hiring (and we should all hope those things get better) a culture that prefers deluding the boss over delivering bad news isn't well equipped to try new things.'"

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  1. guy at the top was in on the ruse too by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >> a culture that prefers deluding the boss over delivering bad news

    I'm pretty sure the guy at the top was in on the ruse too.

    >> no one who understood the problems was able to tell the President

    Isn't there a petition system for that? :)

    1. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thank you!

      Mr Obama knows exactly what is going on and has known this was coming for years.

      >> no one who understood the problems was able to tell the President

      Im the CEO of a Fortune 500 company and I can't get answers from my subordinates regarding the failures of my flagship project. What happens to me? *I am fired.*

      Quit making excuses for a lame duck administration.

    2. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure the guy at the top was in on the ruse too.

      Guess who his boss is?

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    3. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by davide+marney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to the Washington Post:

      "A final 'pre-flight checklist' before the Web site’s Oct. 1 opening, compiled a week before by CMS, shows that 41 of 91 separate functions that CGI was responsible for finishing by the launch were still not working. And a spreadsheet produced by CGI, dated the day of the launch, shows that the company acknowledged about 30 defects on features scheduled to have been working already, including five that it classified as 'critical'".

      The question is, what did the President know, and when did he know it? We know the responsible White House staff knew the system would not work because it simply wasn't finished. And that's only for the parts that were to go live on October 1st. As we heard last week from the existing CTO on the project, there is still 30-40% of the backend system that hasn't even been written yet.

      I don't think it is reasonable that no one told the President about this. I think the President knew, but decided to push it through anyway. Why? Personally, I think it's because he believed that the glitches would be forgiven, and because the press was behind him, he could always blame the other side, and they would go along as the usually do.

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    4. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having watched more than a couple failed IT projects, the person with the purse strings was told exactly what they wanted to hear. This is what happens when you give someone financial incentive to sugar coat the truth. They end up blowing so much smoke that no one knows which way is up. The real problem is the people who write contracts that do not have any real penalties for failure to meet the over arching goals. As long as the company providing the service gets to write the proposal there are not going to be enough penalties for substandard products. This is why I have become completely disillusioned with the whole RFP bidding process.

    5. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet Obama's response was not "By executive order, if the website is not fully functional by December 1st, all executive departments are hereby forbidden to award future contracts to CGI or its successor entities."

      What a putz.

    6. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by CamelTrader · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Guess you're not the CEO of the Fortune 500 I used to work for. I see this frequently the time in corporate structure as well - the bigger the structure, the worse it is.

      Underling: "That's impossible. We might get it done in N days, and C isn't actually possible without a complete rewrite."
      Low-Boss: "Great. The time frame is tight but we can do it with some extra elbow grease! Let's meet about the specs."
      Mid-Boss: "Timeline is great and we'll iron out the details."
      Upper-Boss: "It's all on track."
      BIG Boss: "Great job."

      The developer has to do the work, and is the most accurate about time constraints and difficulty of the project. At each level of reporting, though, the prognosis get's a little better because nobody wants to deliver bad news. Low management says it will be tough and there are some problems. Middle management says things are looking good and they're working out the kinks. Upper management says everything is great. The Boss has no idea. The more levels there are, the more dilute the bad news becomes.

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    7. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by davide+marney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, do you really think a President who spent 4 years convincing people he's actually American is going to blow off a major website snafu and hope to ride his middling approval rates through it all?

      Yes. Look at it politically from his point of view. What was the alternative? Admit failure? Delay for a year -- after just winning the sequester against the hated Republicans who ran on exactly that proposition?

      The thought that this is another conspiracy and that you'd equate it to Watergate is ludicrous.

      Whatever gave you the idea I said this was a conspiracy? The question about what the President knew does comes from the Watergate era, but that is incidental. It's just a very pertinent question.

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    8. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> a culture that prefers deluding the boss over delivering bad news

      I'm pretty sure the guy at the top was in on the ruse too.

      >> no one who understood the problems was able to tell the President

      Isn't there a petition system for that? :)

      OK, so the guy at the very top, the guy who's trying to talk 535 overblown egos into co-operating and getting things done, (which, by the way, haven't been co-operating one damned bit in 5 years) carrying on secret talks with a government who hasn't talked with us in like 30 years to try to defuse some of those 535 overblown ego's dreams of American imperialism and military adventurism, putting up with a childish ally in the region of said 'black sheep' government that wants nothing else but to turn said black sheep's country into a fucking parking lot, trying to keep yet more American boots off the ground in yet another country in the same damned region while aforesaid childish ally insists turning that country into a golf course, and trying to run his department of the government while being chronically shorthanded due to some of 100 idiots as a subset of the 535 overblown egos who are determined to ratfuck him at every instance possible, having to deal with multiple manufactured scandals (in particular, one created by a subset of those 535 idiots defunding a program that would have mitigated the damage done to an American embassy with concurrent loss of life in an attempt to create a Pearl Harbor-type incident as a precurser to demand American military intervention in yet another country the 535 don't particularly like) designed to boost support for their ideology, this guy supposedly has detailed information on the planning, design and implementation of a fucking website designed and built on a cost-plus government contract? When'd he have TIME to deal with that?

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    9. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by davide+marney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When did he NOT have the time to pay attention to the most important legislative agenda of his entire Presidency? Personally, I think historians will be writing books about the answer to that question for decades to come. Here's the problem: either it really is his key agenda item, or it isn't. If it is, then why did he let it go live on October 1st? If you say, "someone else made that decision", then it can't be his key agenda item, can it? Who concedes decision-making power of the most important item on one's list?

      It's more than a conundrum, it's a full-blown mystery.

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    10. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Conspiracy, as in what the GP is positing; that there's a conspiracy to cover up the President's intentions to start out healthcare.gov with a flawed website. And, to what purpose? He secretly wanted to F up his major achievement?

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    11. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      If you've been in the industry long enough, you've probably been part of a project where management pushed a release that was not ready. It always turns out this way, but it's still tempting sometimes anyway.

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    12. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Boss has no idea.

      At least for big public projects, there is a solution: prediction markets. If plenty of low level people know a project is seriously off track, the prediction market will reflect that fact. All public spending proposals should have explicit goals and be tested in prediction markets before they are funded, and if the market consensus is that the proposal will fail, then it should be either modified or abandoned.

    13. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you!

      Mr Obama knows exactly what is going on and has known this was coming for years.

      [citation needed]

    14. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Look at it politically from his point of view. What was the alternative? Admit failure?

      I don't know why he has to take responsibility for healthcare.gov's failure -- it was obviously a result of Bush's poorly thought-out and eventually doomed policies.

    15. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well for the developers, they had a time line that Was an Act of Congress.

      For your company, you will probably be able to delay the product release if there is a serious glitch going on. However the problem was there was a Legal Act of Congress saying this is when the website will need to be up and running.

      Also there is a difference between government work and For Profit work. Government is Risk Adverse while For Profit is innovation driven.
      So working for the government for any President, your job is to not screw up so you will get fired or have to go threw some scandal, you can have a million of successes and one failure, and that failure will bring you down. In most good For Profit companies it focuses on your success. You screw up a few times, even some big ones, that is Ok (You may not be happy about it), you learned from your mistake, however under your belt you have a lot of solid successes that will drive you forward.

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    16. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by GodInHell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be against the law. Congress has regulated the procurement process for government software and IT projects to hell and back, that's why big incompetent companies like CGI win the contracts over and over, they know the system. It is designed to produce middling to poor results at modest cost - when it works we get competent tools, when it dosen't, costs balloon and the incompetent contractors make out like bandits taking extra pay to repair what they broke (again, can't withhold payment like any small business would do). SNAFU exists as a term because of the special kind of bureaucratic process that comes out of democratic government.

    17. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by Bartles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even the dates codified in this law have been changed by executive action. This president does not appear to think he is bound by the law or required to faithfully execute it.

    18. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Im the CEO of a Fortune 500 company and I can't get answers from my subordinates regarding the failures of my flagship project. What happens to me? *I am fired.*

      Save it. Recent history suggests that you'd either get a board-approved raise and/or leave with a HUGE Golden Parachute severance.

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    19. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about the past 5 years would make you think Obama could have a high profile failure and expect to be forgiven? That is utter nonsense.

      Pretty much everything in the last 5 years, if the press had been as aggressive Obama as they were with W. Bush, he definately would not have gotten as many free passes as he has had.

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    20. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 3, Funny

      Im a nuclear scientist and a brain surgeon and the CEO of 5 fortune 500 companies, and I say you're full of shit.

    21. Re:guy at the top was in on the ruse too by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well for the developers, they had a time line that Was an Act of Congress.

      And you know what else was in the law? The timeline for the individual and the employer mandate.

      I'm still wondering how Obama has been able to put those off legally, even with executive order?? That doesn't seem right and I wonder why no one has sued for this...I would think anyone planning for this law to be in full effect according to the dates of the law would have standing on this.

      I think this would be a good time to test the boundaries and maybe define more what exact powers the President has with Executive Order. It needs to be seriously reigned in IMHO in general.

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  2. Bipartisanship by Andrio · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When both parties work together toward a common goal, we can put a man on the moon.

    When both parties work against each other, and try to stop each other every step of the way purely for their own political agenda, we can't even launch a damn website.

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    1. Re:Bipartisanship by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      The website launch cant really be blamed on partisanship; its not like congress was arguing over the placement of DIVs. The partisan arguments were whether we could shut the program down; but as that wasnt really going anywhere its hard to blame that for a broken website.

      The contractor dropped the ball, and there was no management or accountability put into place. Really not that complicated, and theres not really any other explanation when the higher ups were convinced the site would launch just fine on Oct 1.

    2. Re:Bipartisanship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am from Canada so I am not very familiar with the ACA.

      I find it weird that so much attention is given to the website though. Why is it so important for the ACA to work?

      At the end day, wouldn't people end up buying health care from a private company? Why is the government in the business of providing a website so that people can buy health care from a private company? Isn't that weird? Even if the website is a good thing because it allows people to compare the different plans, since the private companies are the ones who will profit from selling these plans, they are the ones who should have footed the bill and developed their own solution, no?

    3. Re:Bipartisanship by es330td · · Score: 5, Informative

      we can't even launch a damn website.

      The Republicans in Congress had exactly ZERO involvement with the implementation of the website. Once approved by Congress, and then upheld by the SCOTUS, it was on the Executive branch to hire the firms to build the website. This is 110% on the Executive Branch of the government.

    4. Re:Bipartisanship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When a country, that has received the (temporary) blessings of a goodly portion of the world banks, is lifting off in a multi-decade experiment in keyesianism, and combine that with the residual WW2, "get her done" and "risks be damned" attitude, that kept bureaucracy and regulation in check, and add in a new blossoming impetus in the cold war ....and what you have is a perfect storm, to result in our rocket program.

      Fast forward.

      1. The cold war ended, and it broke the russians, and it put us in a pretty big hole as well, the blowback of which, we're still seeing.
      2. The central banks still find us useful, but the original deal-with-the-devil (or devils) is now approaching 60 years old, and the central banks are now playing defense, positioning themselves within the transition to China.
      3. The "get her done" and "risks be damned" attitude that kept bureaucracy-hell in check, are now fully replaced with idiocracy, which is very easily seen in corporations, but is far worse in the biggest corporation of all, The United States Federal Government, which has 4 million dependents, and another 12 million unofficial dependents, the weight of which is not merely creating a sag, but bellies are dragging. The warfare/welfare state and endless push for centralization, because a little bit helped us win a war or two, so multiplying centralization by a million times, will make this country a million times better, has been championed by democrats and republicans, taking turns providing warfare benefits to the banks, and welfare benefits to individuals, corporations, and anyone with hat in hand....

      So in conclusion, I find your statement moronic, and perfectly symptomatic of the stage we have reached.

    5. Re:Bipartisanship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Incredible.

      You act like Republicans built the web site or created the ACA legislation.

      You're not tone deaf, you're mentally ill. STFU with the BS platitudes.

      And in case you were wondering, I'm a Democrat, although one who isn't afraid to criticize this disaster that needs to be repealed and suggest that Obama needs to impeached and thrown out.

    6. Re:Bipartisanship by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2

      When both parties work together toward a common goal, we can put a man on the moon.

      When both parties work against each other, and try to stop each other every step of the way purely for their own political agenda, we can't even launch a damn website.

      When party A thinks what party B did was an extremely bad idea and very harmful to the country, is it logical or even realistic to expect it just to shrug its shoulders and help out?

    7. Re:Bipartisanship by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait, so you're blaming bi-partisanship on the fact that the DHHS mismanaged a project. A project which: A) They had more than sufficient funds available. B) A Mandate in terms of legislative action. C) An executive branch lead by the guy who pushed this shit through?

      I'm sorry but if somebody gave me over $300 million to develop a website with the requirements that these guys had, it would be done and our contract would have had penalties for failure to deliver. None of these contractors who put this mess together have yet to be held accountable for their own mismanagement and that is at the heart of why government projects like this fail, the contractors always have weasel clauses that the government allows, ultimately releasing them from blame when things go Tango Uniform. There's ample fees and revenue to be made for change orders which do nothing but encourage the project management team to encourage them to the stakeholders, causing delays and increasing the overall cost of the project. Healthcare.gov has had over $300 million spent on it and it's still doesn't work. Now they've extended dates and shifted delays and I'll bet you within 3 to 6 months they'll try to scrap it and start over. In the meantime you'll get a friendly letter from the IRS saying you owe a penalty because you haven't signed up because now there's thousands of new public servants at that vaunted institution just looking to fuck you over because the T wasn't crossed or some other problem that the government created but now it's your problem. "Oh you couldn't sign up? not our problem, we're the IRS and we're always right and you're wrong."

      This whole piece of shit legislation was thrown together by a bunch of morons who wanted to look good. I won't quote that retard Pelosi but the fact that nobody read the legislation. It was over 2000 pages long and more than anything else, shows how truly fucked we are in this country because at that point when legislation gets railroaded through like this because "Teddy is dying and we need to show we still lick the Kennedy's nutsacks in DC" Is no reason the rest of us have to take it up the ass. So while you blame gridlock let's not forget that for two years the Democrats pushed all this shit down our throats, not reading the legislation and trusting that it would all work out; Glinda the Witch of the North will wave her wand and make it all better.

      Don't believe me? In 2009 after the ARRA was passed I had the privilege of flying from DC to Raleigh Durham, sitting behind two Congressmen heading back home, one newly elected on Obama's coattails. They were high fiveing the crew when they came on-board "We passed it!" one exclaimed. During the brief flight they kept handing pieces of the ARRA legislation back and forth with one saying "I didn't know that was in there!?" The other being so myopic that even with glasses he held the pages about 2 inches from his nose to read them.

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    8. Re: Bipartisanship by Minwee · · Score: 2

      The governor of Tennessee flat out stated he could have done a better job setting up a state sight, which he thought was a good idea, but refused to do so.

      Why? Politics.

      Or perhaps it was spelling.

    9. Re:Bipartisanship by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, if I can get 300 mil for a website, how much more can I get to maintain the sucker?

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  3. They had to launch the website... by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just ask Pelosi: they had to launch the website so they could find out what would crash it.

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    1. Re:They had to launch the website... by bdemchak · · Score: 4, Funny

      ObamaCare: Architected from Behind.

  4. Where was the Press? by moehoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While there is plenty of blame to go around, I am still left wondering where the investigative journalism was regarding the true progress of ACA implementation as the 3 years progressed up to this point.

    So, while the press is justifiably having a field day with the sheer incompetence displayed here, where were they while all this was developing?

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    1. Re:Where was the Press? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You sell more stories reporting on a train wreck than stopping one.

    2. Re:Where was the Press? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you kidding me?

      The press was either cheerleading for Obama in other areas, railing against everything the Republicans did or supporting the failed gun control push, among other items.

      And that's when the Obama administration wasn't pursuing press relations that would have made Goebbels and Stalin proud, like their stage-managing of White House press photography.

      Serious investigative journalism of the ACA implementation, had it revealed what we know now, is very likely to have further enabled repeal attempts or at least led to significant delays in implementation. I don't doubt that there were closed-door editorial debates over whether ideology and party loyalty were more important than journalism.

      And even if you posit a perfectly neutral press, what exactly does investigative journalism of ACA implementation look like? How do you put software development issues on the front page of a newspaper? So many technical decisions that can, would and will be debated endlessly (cf. Slashdot), plus so much would be completely opaque given it was in the hands of several different contractors who would have never cooperated with the press and who would have run to their political patrons for protection as soon as the press began sniffing around. It would have taken lawsuits to gain access to this information.

    3. Re:Where was the Press? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

      The press covers what the administration instructs them to cover and they don't have time for investigative journalism, when there's tweets to twitter.

    4. Re:Where was the Press? by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Funny

      Google Trends underscores this point.

    5. Re:Where was the Press? by Rolgar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you remember all of the Y2K stories for YEARS before the year 2000? Had people all worked into a frenzy that power plants and other equipment wouldn't work on 1/1/00. I've read that the White House is pretty hostile to any publication/reporter that prints a critical story. Pair that with the love certain media individuals have with Obama, and you get a whole lot of brushing stuff under the rug that 6 years ago was extremely hostile to a president that was pretty similar on policy and competence.

    6. Re:Where was the Press? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The answer is: there isn't really investigative journalism anymore. Journalists mostly deliver the news as presented to them in press releases.

      Lots of people would like to attribute this to malice and corruption, or else stupidity and laziness. Unfortunately, a big component of the problem is much harder to address: there isn't any money in providing news. Traditional news outlets are struggling to maintain revenue channels. Newspapers are going under, and TV news is mostly focused on tabloid news, because that's what people watch.

      More than anything else, the poor quality of journalism is our own fault. We're getting the news that we choose to watch and choose to pay for.

    7. Re:Where was the Press? by swb · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think I've ever seen Fox News engaged in journalism.

    8. Re:Where was the Press? by mlts · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want investigative journalism, there is always Al Jazeera, who has their own bias, but in places that they don't have an axe to grind, it is surprisingly good.

      I forgot the name, but there is a German news organization who is also quite good, provided it isn't an article about German interests or political parties.

      There is also a Russian paper (whose name I forgot as well... and it is not Pravda) that also have some good articles on what is going on.

      In the US, you have to go elsewhere to seek actual news. If you want propaganda, Fox, CNN, and MSNBC will hand you all you can swallow.

    9. Re:Where was the Press? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Had people all worked into a frenzy that power plants and other equipment wouldn't work on 1/1/00.

      Things wouldn't have worked if they didn't fix them. That's like saying there's all this frenzy about vaccines. [sarcam] I mean polio and measles aren't that bad since no one I know is affected by them. [/sarcasm]. The problem is that when something works well and avoids a disaster some people think it wasn't necessary. For many years, FEMA did a good job at disaster recovery until Katrina hit. Then the country saw the effects of a poorly run government agency and why putting someone competent in charge matters.

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    10. Re:Where was the Press? by swb · · Score: 2

      So we're back to the yellow journalism of the 19th century.

      The question is, how did the old yellow journalism become the so-called serious journalism of the 20th century? I kind of question whether we EVER had a real serious investigative press.

      Sure, we had progressive muckrakers but their medium was often books, not newspapers. We seemed to have a pinnacle of journalism in the Watergate years, but a lot of the mid century seemed to be an establishment press more than happy to tow the establishment line.

      TV news and the 24 hour news cycle seemed to have seriously sidelined written journalism, and when nobody reads you can't have an idea that doesn't take 30 seconds to deliver, especially if there's not a picture.

    11. Re:Where was the Press? by microbox · · Score: 2

      Corporate consolidation destroyed investigative journalism. Why would you run a documentary on one of your eye advertisers... and who are they? All the other major companies. And then there's the threat of expensive law-suits.

      The government has nothing to do with those incentive structures.

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    12. Re:Where was the Press? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Had people all worked into a frenzy that power plants and other equipment wouldn't work on 1/1/00.

      Things wouldn't have worked if they didn't fix them.

      The OP didn't say that Y2K was a non-event. But one of the reasons it was a non-event was because of the attention it got in the news. That encouraged people not to ignore the issue.

      Healthcare.gov did NOT get that sort of news coverage, and the result was a non-functional service with a tax penalty associated with not using the service...

      And yes, I think that if the media had been reporting on Healthcare.gov the way they reported on Y2K, we'd probably have a working system in place, instead of what we have....

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  5. Really? by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the *signature* piece of Obama's second term agenda -- the legislation he's harped on loudly and constantly -- launches with an epic fail. The contractors working the site were sounding alarms well in advance of the launch. And yet Obama is somehow utterly unaware that the launch could be anything but a total success? I call bullshit. Either Obama is the most disconnected president in recent history when it comes to the success of his *core legislative agenda* or he's just bullshitting about not knowing there were issues on launch day.

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    1. Re:Really? by DeathToBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aggressively and partisanly put, but I think about right. Any other senior manager in the world who said of a failure, "I didn't know," would immediately be asked, "Why didn't you know? It's your responsibility to know." As techies, we know how this goes - these organisational failures happen from the top down and it is the action of a weak, failing manager to try to pass the blame down the chain. We don't stand for it in any other situation; why would we here?

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    2. Re:Really? by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      The contractors working the site were sounding alarms well in advance of the launch.

      They were?

      Either Obama is the most disconnected president in recent history

      He's done this on several issues where responsibility by all rights should have rested with the Executive, but somehow he was unaware of what was going on. I recall some quote about how government is just too big to be able to keep track of it all; its as if he didnt read the job description or exactly what his purpose is.

    3. Re:Really? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why didn't you know? It's your responsibility to know.

      "Don't look at me, I'm just a CEO"

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    4. Re:Really? by najay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      he did mess it up. The identities of Seal Team 6 was exposed and most of them ended up getting killed.

    5. Re:Really? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

      Quoting again from the article:

      All told, of the 45 items in which CGI had expressed high confidence at the late August meeting in Baltimore, most were still not ready by the time consumers were supposed to be able to start to buy health plans online through the federal marketplace

      How anyone would think the President is reading web admin status reports is beyond me. He's responsible because he's the President and he puts his staff in place, but I just don't get where this Benghazi II: The Evil Website conspiracy is coming from. Somewhere along the line, people were snowjobbing their superiors on how ready they were. I can imagine no scenario where upper levels of the administration, whose mission statement involves dealing with PR crises, would allows this website fiasco to occur.

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  6. The Contempt for the Engineer by glennrrr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the most interesting thought in the article was about the author's observation of contempt between modern managers (in the example in the publishing business) and the engineers who actually create and manage systems. I'm also drawn to how articles written with sources inside the Administration refer to the technical people as 'Technicians' instead of what they probably were 'Senior Software Engineers' or appropriate equivalent title. I certainly don't think of myself as a technician, and I find the term somewhat demeaning somehow.

    1. Re:The Contempt for the Engineer by bdemchak · · Score: 2

      Quite right. I fight battles of this sort weekly. Top researchers and domain managers believe their systems are built by "programmers" and that the key to their success is to have enough "good" programmers. These researchers/managers are far from stupid, but there's a huge void in their understanding of what it takes to put up real systems. We *need* an epic fail like this to start conversations that enable intelligent people to glimpse and appreciate good development processes and personnel stacks ... and the consequences of benign and willful neglect. We'll have more of these fails until all of this starts to sink in.

    2. Re:The Contempt for the Engineer by Beeftopia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the most interesting thought in the article was about the author's observation of contempt between modern managers (in the example in the publishing business) and the engineers who actually create and manage systems.

      I know why this is: A vice president of a staffing firm is in my social circle. A group of us were talking about a website idea. The VP and some quasi technical managers assured me that the solution was commoditized - already done before, available off the shelf as components. Nothing new, just need to get qualified people and equipment to plug and play. Very straightforward.

      So, while that is technically true... it is an utterly different and vastly more difficult matter to be able to identify the right people and create an environment where they can obtain the right equipment and room to maneuver. So, while the CTO of Google might be able to snap his fingers and create the website in a few weeks, a staffing company doesn't have access to that specific elite experience, or that development environment.

      Managers want to look at us - programmers, software engineers - as totally fungible, mere factory robots. Identical units which can quickly be obtained off the shelf and who can then implement a solution as long as it's kind of similar to any existing solution. HOWEVER - we're more like doctors and hospitals, where, despite having the same title, the variation in ability and intelligence and tools is quite high. Think about the medical stories you read about where the person goes through doctor after doctor trying to cure a malady, until they find the right doctor. Or where a person has a rare malady and serendipitously finds a doctor researching this issue and obtains a cure. I think this dynamic exists in all professions but it's quite emphasized in programming.

      So, that's why there might be contempt - both sides really don't understand what they're dealing with. Managers looking at people who inexplicably can't just "do it" - they look at programmers like fungible factory robots (I don't say workers because even unskilled labor has variations in ability) turning bolts to put together pre-existing solutions. And programmers thrown into hidebound, designed-to-thwart-change development environments while trying to learn new concepts and put together novel solutions in a designed-to-fail environment.
       

    3. Re:The Contempt for the Engineer by Beeftopia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And a quick followup - think about a profession as well researched, as old and rigorous as civil engineering. The engineering of structures. Even in this environment where the concepts are well known, the profession is ancient, snafus happen. There is new metro station in the DC metro area. It is RIFE with problems:

      Silver Spring Transit Center to get new layer of concrete to address construction flaws
      By Bill Turque,September 06, 2013
      Washington Post

      "The $120 million bus and train hub at Georgia Ave. and Colesville Rd. is more than two years behind schedule and tens of millions of dollars over budget. Issues with concrete — including cracks, insufficient thickness and questions about strength in some areas — have played a major role in the delay." -- Washington Post

      I can imagine managers are thinking, "What the hell? How many metro stations are there in this region? In this country?? There's no new concepts here! You people all have P.E's! The processes for design are totally standardized! How could this possibly happen?"

    4. Re:The Contempt for the Engineer by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Managers want to look at us - programmers, software engineers - as totally fungible, mere factory robots.

      They have the same attitude towards accountants, secretaries, anyone who works on an assembly line, salespeople, HR reps, etc. There's fundamental contempt in the business world for people who actually produce stuff, like they're somehow deficient or inferior to those who go around reprioritizing action items to create synergies in the digital marketplace. That contempt can even spread towards relatively high-status people who produce stuff e.g. how big media companies treat musicians or actors.

      From what I've seen so far, the cause of this is that management typically has gone to business school, and what they learn in business school is precisely to treat employees as replaceable components of a system. It's even in the language they use: "Personnel" became "Human Resources", making it clear that instead of flesh-and-blood humans like the managers themselves, rank-and-file employees were tools to be used up and then discarded.

      I'd consider loading these folks up on a "B" Ark ship, except that I'm reasonably certain that if we removed one set of parasites another set would take over just as assuredly.

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  7. Step 1, open up the bidding process completely by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CGI was selected in part because they were one of only a handful of companies that got on the task order from DHHS that covered this and many other big CMS contracts. This system is designed to make it extremely difficult to just start a business and put out a bid. The justifications for it are very flimsy and center around things like making sure that some fly-by-night company doesn't get the contract/screening out junk bids. Poblem is, they don't actually work. In many cases, they just let the "primes" that win the slots act as funnels for the actual work done by subcontracts which just adds to the cost of the contract.

    Another thing, if the reddit thread on this was correct, CMS needs to do what the DoD increasingly does with overtime which is to scrutinize or reject invoices with more than 80 hours per two weeks per employee unless the overtime was either authorized or can be explained in reasonable terms. Overworked government contractors don't get rich; their employers do at the expense of the employee and government. One thing often left unappreciated by the general public is that unpaid overtime is literally stealing employment from the employee because a salaried employee is only authorized to bill so many hours to a contract during a period of performance.

    1. Re:Step 1, open up the bidding process completely by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      One thing often left unappreciated by the general public is that unpaid overtime is literally stealing employment from the employee because a salaried employee is only authorized to bill so many hours to a contract during a period of performance.

      Unpaid overtime is ALWAYS stealing from the employee, whether the employee is government, a contractor, or private sector. The employee agreed to work 40 hours for X amount of compensation. If the employee is working more than that, they deserve to be compensated. if they are working less than that, they deserve to have their pay reduced.

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  8. If Only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If only there was this much scrutiny and post-mortem analysis over other government failures such as, oh, I don't know, the multi-BILLION dollar failure joint strike force fighter that nobody wants (other than private contractors who are making billions).

    Thank gawd, however, that we have this eagle eyed scrutiny over a website that's a few months over deadline and a few million over budget.

  9. Following the Will of Their Voters by glennrrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that the Members of the House who were newly elected in 2010 after the ACA, resulting in the GOP retaking the House, and re-elected in 2012 are rightfully following what the people in their districts want them to do: oppose the ACA. There are a handful of districts which voted for both Obama and a Republican Member of Congress, but there aren't many, and those few are pretty squishy about what to do. My own Congressman came back into Congress in 2010 (he had been unseated in 2008) and then defeated in 2012 by a Democrat; he wasn't following the will of the voters who showed up on election day 2012, other places, the story is different.

    1. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that most Americans can be found in the middle of the two extremes (far-left/far-right) but our political system is set up to reward those who pander to the extremes (Gerrymandering + closed primaries in most states), so we wind up with this system that swings back and forth between the two, rarely settling in the middle where most of the electorate lies. Divided Government used to bring outcomes in the middle (Reagan/O'Neil, and Clinton/Gingrich) but now it just seems to bring grandstanding and stalling (Bush/Pelosi, Obama/Boehner), as each side waits to beat the other in the next election, while kicking the serious issues of the day down the road, to be dealt with after they have a "mandate" from the voters. Each side misreads the smallest win as a "mandate" for their platform, ignoring the fact that 49.9% of the country voted the other way. BHO's "mandate" in 2008 can be boiled down to three words: "Don't be GWB", not "Dust off every Progressive idea that's been on the bookshelf since the 60s." Similarly, John Boehner's "mandate" in 2010 was "Don't be Nancy Pelosi", not "Give the keys to the Tea Party."

      There are some benefits to the two party system in the United States, compare the (relative) stability of our system to some Parliamentary Democracies, but we're in pretty big trouble if we can't take the two parties back from their respective extremes. I'm not sure how this happens, when each party keeps bleeding elder statesmen, House primaries are dominated by rabid partisans living in echo chambers, and even the Senate (where gerrymandering is a non-issue) looks to be on a downward spiral wherein statesmen are out and partisan hacks are in.

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    2. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by glennrrr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Boehner cannot be Speaker without the Tea Party (libertarian) members of his caucus. How exactly do you expect him to make them vote for policies which would rightfully get them primaried in the next election? The ACA has something like 87% disapproval amongst registered Republicans, and the other 13% probably don't recognize that ACA means ObamaCare. There are lots of things that the parties can negotiate upon, and the ACA has already been modified several times, but the ongoing existence of the ACA is not one of them.
      Boehner apparently wants to do something bipartisan with immigration reform, but that's a hard needle to thread given the Democrats mainly support it to add dependent dependable voters and the Republican base don't like the idea of becoming more like Mexico.

    3. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by mlts · · Score: 2

      You see exactly this in the pre-primary campagins that are starting right now in the US. During these, you will read some very extreme political platforms, and after that mess is over, then both sides try to move to the middle to pretend to be mainstream.

      With all the sharp, strong, extreme talk, it is hard to state a simple, moderate platform that actually might address issues than kick them down the road.

    4. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

      would rightfully get them primaried in the next election?

      And therein lies the problem. Primary elections are the "true" election in most Congressional districts (Democrat and Republican), thanks to gerrymandering. Primary elections are universally low turnout affairs that are dominated by the true believers, the types that get all of their news from MSNBC or Fox, who are least inclined to seek accommodation with the other side. The consequence of this is that we end up with hyper-partisan hacks that don't even represent the mainstream of their gerrymandered district, much less the country as a whole.

      I'm not blaming the GOP, the exact same thing happens in gerrymandered blue districts. Nancy Pelosi doesn't represent the mainstream of the Democratic party, much less the United States, yet she is the voice of the Democrats in the house.

      I don't know what the solution is. Some will argue that we need a third party, but that's no guarantee of a different result. Indeed, it makes it possible for the same hyper-partisan hacks to win as before, only now they'll have won with 40% of the vote instead of 50.1%. My hometown (Binghamton, NY) ended up with a left-wing asshole as Mayor, who won two three-way elections, and pushed his asinine left-wing agenda despite 60% of the city voting against him. (Hint for Matthew Ryan if your egotistical self finds this post with a Google search: People don't vote for Mayor to make statements about the Iraq War, they vote for him to fix the fucking potholes, keep the parks clean, and to try and attract employers to the area)

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    5. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While interesting, it's missing the bigger point. Look to what working couples have agreed on, and what non working couples disagree on. There is a definite trend, and not for the betterment of the average citizen. To believe that all of the political happenings are accidental is asinine. These people make a lot of money doing what they do, and have consultants that are paid to tell them what to eat so their farts don't smell. Look past the hand waiving, and you can find an agenda.

    6. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you, for providing the MSNBC point of view, which has immeasurably enhanced the dialogue, and for completely missing the point....

      Please complete the picture by bringing one of your Fox News watching friends (assuming you keep company with those disagree with you politically) to the conversation.

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    7. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but our political system is set up to reward those who pander to the extremes (Gerrymandering + closed primaries in most states)

      Explain this to me then: Why is it that the political stars of the Republican Party are the extremists (e.g. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz) while the political stars of the Democratic Party are usually centrists (e.g. Bill Clinton, Barack Obama)? Even Elizabeth Warren, to some degree a left-wing standard-bearer, has mostly just been pushing relentlessly for white-collar criminals to be tried for their crimes. Extreme liberal candidates with ideas like "Hey, let's make hedge fund managers pay the same tax rate as athletes who make less money" rarely even make it into the primaries.

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    8. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by glennrrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because you think Barack Obama is a centrist and Rand Paul isn't. That pretty much explains it for me. I guess it's a matter of perspective.

    9. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean the article that refers to a political party with tens of millions of Americans as a "cult"? That article?

      Clearly a source that's interested in elevating the dialogue.... thank you for twice missing the point.

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    10. Re:Following the Will of Their Voters by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      No, I stopped reading at "cult". Your "insider" picked the wrong media to spill his guts to if he cared about winning people like me over. I'm about elevating the dialogue, which means we don't use pejorative words like "cult" to describe political parties that claim tens of millions of our fellow citizens as members. I tuned him out with the same ease that I tune out Ann Coulter and Keith Olbermann.

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  10. article in a single sentence by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when non-engineers that dont understand technology but make engineering decisions, shit like this happens.

    shocker.

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  11. Time for change by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

    The task was simple. Make a friggin website that takes user input and spits out insurance options. If this happened where I work, they'd fire the whole lot without question. Probably enact some kind of legal investigation as to where all the money went too.

    If Congress can't handle a simple friggin website project, it's time to clean house and Enact term limits. Restructure the entire congressional seating process, and give people more control over who's buying the laws for us. It's time to change that whole mess.

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    1. Re:Time for change by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      blame the republicans, again

      And this folks, is how you can recognize people who are hopelessly partisan. "It couldn't possibly be my guys, we must blame the other team even though not one of them voted for it."
      You need to take your blinders off, man.

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  12. Obvious troll is obvious. Try more subtle next tim by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Next time try being a little more subtle - not even Obama himself thinks this mess will be fixed in six months.
    If you want to pretend to be a left wing loony, "keep the gov't out of my medicare/obamacare" is a little too stupid.
    Try "keep the evil businesses out of my business".

  13. Re:Six months from now by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the worst fears of the GOP will be realized - people will be getting better healthcare at lower cost.

    The GOP by and large isnt bothered if your costs get lower (though, in reality, it is not actually possible for the majority's costs to get lower when we are now covering higher risk people); the concern is that we are going down a path of surrendering every area of life to government control. The idea that the government has the right to tell you to buy X product in order to live in this country is problematic; and its problematic that the government is OK with saying "it doesnt matter what bad choices you make in life, we (that is America at large) has your back".

    Theres a term called "enablement" when dealing with someone who has an addiction / other problem; it refers to feeding their bad choices by taking away all consequences. What do you suppose happens when everyone is paying into insurance to cover the terrible choices others make? Or, I suppose, we could fix that by legislating exactly how people can live everyday life, but Im not seeing that as much better.

  14. Themoclineof Truth by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems to be a clasic case of the Themocline of Truth. http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-themocline-of-truth/

  15. ACA a tutorial by glennrrr · · Score: 2

    The Affordable Care Act : AKA ObamaCare
    Well, the website had 4 major functions:
    1) Comparison shopping. In retrospect, it could have been handled by a private company that Travelocity like didn't sell insurance, but instead helped you shop.
    2) Subsidy. According to the law, you only get a subsidy through a state-run exchange (the Administration has chosen to ignore the actual wording of the law to include the Federally run exchange two.)
    3) Seeing if people should be shuttled off to the mediocre but cheap care of Medicaid.
    4) As a showcase for the law. This was to be something concrete to show what great things progressive government is capable of.

    1. Re:ACA a tutorial by glennrrr · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Gallup poll for this week gives President Obama a job approval of 39% against the entire polled population, amongst self-identified liberals (which I'm going to assume is a synonym for progressive when it comes to American politics) his job approval is a pretty good 70%, amongst 'liberal Democrats' it's 82%.

    2. Re:ACA a tutorial by glennrrr · · Score: 2

      Success has a thousand fathers, Failure is an orphan.

    3. Re:ACA a tutorial by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mr. Slippery has it right. The US doesn't have much of a left these days. It has a right (D) and a more extreme right (R). To wit, who do I vote for if I want the law upheld, no one above the law, none of this Too Big To Fail or Too Big To Jail, and those Wall Street thieves and destroyers of our prosperity brought to justice? And who do I vote for if I want sanity, facts, and truth on unpleasant matters, not propaganda? Maybe healthcare can help increase the sanity level. But on the whole, not Obama, and definitely not Romney. Maybe Elizabeth Warren?

      If you want peace, prepare for war. If you want to avoid Climate Change, prepare for it. But no, we can't even arrive at a consensus that Climate Change is real and not liberal scientist propaganda, and that if we make no changes it will get very bad for everyone. Many aren't hard changes to make, and are good to do even if there is no climate change problem. Like, with electric cars. I don't know about you, but I don't like breathing exhaust fumes. Maybe we should work on batteries more before making the big switch, that's a valid debate to have. But as to the motors themselves, there is no question that electric motors are far, far superior to internal combustion engines. Then there are traffic lights. Who could possibly not want traffic lights to get some brains and cut the amount of time we all spend sitting at the red light? But people fight such ideas anyway. It's almost like we're deliberately making life harder for ourselves because we're bored or something.

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    4. Re:ACA a tutorial by bzipitidoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We already had a Rube Goldberg solution in place. It is called the private insurance industry, and Big Pharma. That conglomerate has made profit off of not serving the public and fulfilling its purpose, but by screwing the most vulnerable. No one is more vulnerable than those in need of health care. It was a dumb idea from the start, as the founders should have realized. People who need health care are not in a good position to hunt for bargains or fight back when denied coverage. The injured and the ill can't devote themselves to that. Can't. They're trying to stay alive, they can't haggle over what that's worth. Have to trust that the doctors won't screw you over too hard, knowing full well that they are seriously conflicted and pushed hard to do just that so drug companies and related parasites can profit more. Even when well enough, most of us are not experts in medicine and lack the knowledge and training to evaluate medical propositions. We do a fair job of judging these using other means like reading about others' experiences with specific procedures, organizations, and doctors, but it's not enough. Markets cannot function properly when half the participants aren't in a position to evaluate deals and turn down bad ones.

      Another area of denial and dishonesty is death. Medical practitioners make money from providing care, not from making people well. No one needs more care than the terminally ill. It is in medical practitioners' interest to help the dying cling to life as long as possible. Many don't scruple to play upon our guilt and horror. You wouldn't deny that heart bypass operation to your parents who are dying of cancer, would you? You wouldn't say no to a therapy that is hideously expensive but has a 20% chance of holding off the inevitable for another 2 years, would you? You're a heartless, murderering, low life, ungrateful scum if you so much as suggest it. Death panels! Death panels!

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  16. Bureaucratic reality generation by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bureaucrats are comfortable generating reality. To a large extent this becomes their job; if you are in charge of an environmental clean up you will move the goalposts around to match what you can do, and if you can't even meet these mutable goals you figure out a way to measure it so that the result are met. Plus you take any reports that indicate failure and "massage" them until they look good; and if the underlings who create these horrible truths won't shut up you punish them or just get rid of them.

    This works well when the facts are a bit fuzzy and you are able to control the flow of information to your superiors and ideally the public. The problem is that the skillset that enables these people to survive and thrive in a bureaucracy aren't the skills required to deliver a functioning and realistic test passing product. So you have a product such as healthcare.gov which is going to be wildly exposed to the public and the scrutiny of people you can't control (the press and political opposition) and oddly enough it blows up.

    People look at the hard numbers and say this is a pile of crap that doesn't work. Yet I am willing to bet two key things are happening:
    One is that there are reports flowing up to the top people (who don't understand technology) that are a combination of saying that it works far better than the "detractors" are claiming while simultaniously blaming some other party with lesser abilities to communicate with said superiors.
    And two that the company that won this contract is awesome at participating in this reality distorting circlejerk. I bet that the reports and other paperwork was Washington gold; the product of top-of-the-class-MBAs. People for whom facts are not only to be ignored but to be looked at with suspicion and hostility.

    So the question of which development style should have been used or which technology was best are nearly moot; in that every choice would have been made based upon the criteria of "It must look good in a report"

    I suspect that the only lesson learned from this in Washington is that if you love your career that you should not get involved in a project that involves a measurable end product that is delivered to the public.

    The various opposition groups will probably try to score various points based upon actual facts such as cronyism and poor testing but the reality is that 5 minutes into getting power they would hand a similar project over to their insider friends and primarily demand good paperwork over an actual product.

    So to prevent this type of disaster you can't look at say agile practices in software but maybe agile type practices within government itself.

  17. Apollo 13 by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Way to take that line out of context. "Failure is not an option." wasn't about general day to day stuff, it was about saving the lives of 3 astronauts during an emergency situation. In fact, the mission (LANDING ON THE FREEKIN MOON) was indeed a failure.... They DIDN'T do it!

    The whole "failure is not an option" thing is fine when you have lives in danger and the whole world is watching, but you don't get to use it about your website, no matter how many jobs are at stake. The message to take away here is "Even a million jobs are not worth 1 human life." If you understand and live by that, you will be a better person. Otherwise, you're just another scumbag millionaire who doesn't care about people.

  18. Re:Six months from now by bberens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As soon as we decided that hospitals were legally required to give you health care if you walked into the emergency room we decided that health care is a human right. That debate is over. So now what do we do about it? You can either have the blood suckers feed off a system they're not paying into, or you can require they pay into it like every responsible adult has been doing for generations. The government is not requiring me to do ANYTHING really. They've created a new income tax (you're exempt if you have no income) and a corresponding tax break if you happen to buy health insurance. While it may be slimey it's perfectly within the normal business of government to enact income taxes and tax breaks. IMHO single payer or Medicare-for-all would've been a preferable option, but it wasn't politically viable, so we got this. It's not great, it's basically a big handout to the insurance companies. Have you watched their stock prices? They've shot up over the last few years. But at least the bums who were living off me in the form of higher premiums I was having to pay each year will now be paying in. And if someone was really sick and was unable to get health insurance at any price before now gets health coverage.. isn't that GOOD? My ex-wife couldn't get private health insurance. I know, because we tried. She had a clotting disorder but was generally a healthy and able-bodied person. But nope, can't buy health insurance. So unless her provider got her on a group plan, she was completely SOL. If more people like her, and even people who are not able-bodied can get some insurance now then that's awesome.

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  19. Who's responsibility was it to communicate risks? by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my group there is a person with that specific responsibility. They communicate the possibility of not meeting a deadline and make contingency plans to get the best result given the circumstances.

    That person should be fired, and IIRC they have already resigned.

    Now find senior advisors who weren't responsible for communicating the risks but knew about them anyways. Ask them why they didn't communicate the risks to the President and based on their answer either fire them or reprimand them.

    Send the message that there will be accountability. Why is that important? Unfortunately, be it in Government or the private sector, there is a culture of "that wasn't my job". Everyone knows the project will fail, every single fucking person from the junior engineer to the senior project director know. But everyone winks at each other across the table at meetings and agrees that "failure is not an option, it will be done on time". And inside their heads and within their small groups everyone is saying "well it's not my job to sound the alarm". There is no incentive to take that political hit and say "Boss, we might have told you several times that everything is OK but honestly there are some severe risks to launching by the deadline and we need to start planning for a delay or reduction in features". Instead, when shit hits the fan it's like a mexican gunfight, everyone points a finger at someone else and says "well he knew too" or "that wasn't my job to bring up that this would never work."

    Engineering is hard, failure happens. It really shouldn't be punished (except where people just failed to do their jobs), instead it should be learned from so that the same mistakes are not made again.

    One day, when software engineering management is a real discipline, they will pound it into the heads of MBAs and PMPs that failure is not only an option, its the most common result so make sure the lines of communication are open, that people feel comfortable communicating risks and saying no, and that all the stakeholders know that the engineers cannot travel through time, so if you start a 1 year project 9 months before you want it to launch then you are SOL and have to pick what features are most important.

    I hate "you have more than one number one priority" more than "failure is not an option" and I feel people who say one usually say the other.

  20. Exact opposite in my experience by hsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a culture that prefers deluding the boss over delivering bad news isn't well equipped to try new things

    In a former life I did a lot of gov contracting. For any project, you couldn't get your GPM (gov program manager) to sign off on anything. Why? Because they had to go to their boss to get approval. Who also had to go to their boss to get approval and so on.

    Why? Because they didn't want to be the one to blame if something went wrong. If anything, they were very apt to go up the flag pole for anything, but the issue was you never got an answer for anything.

    This seems to be the case for healthcare.gov, no one made actionable decisions.

  21. Chauncey Gardener by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more you hear about how he supposedly didn't know this or that, the more you have to wonder if he isn't a simple community organizer.

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    1. Re:Chauncey Gardener by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone who paid attention to the political crap back when he first started running knew that he was a simple community organizer who would be in way over his head. Too bad no one listened to those "wingnut conservatives" when they said so.

      Well you get the government you vote for, so enjoy that.

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  22. Re:Six months from now by bkmoore · · Score: 2, Informative

    ....The idea that the government has the right to tell you to buy X product in order to live in this country is problematic...

    There's more than one way of looking at it, and I'll try to explain it in a way that even the most neo-liberal, free-market capitalist would understand. Before Obama Care, back when Barack Obama was probably the name of somebody living in a cave in Afghanistan, the government was requiring those who sold a "product" (medical care) to give it away for free to those who could not or would not pay for it (the uninsured). Forcing "retailers" (hospitals) to give away their "product" (medical care) for free is not a sustainable business model, especially when in some "markets" (states), such as Texas, 20% of the population "cannot pay for the product" (is uninsured). But rather than go out of business, the "retailers" (hospitals) divided the cost of giving away their "product" (medical care) to "unpaying customers" (uninsured patients) and added it to the overhead payed by their paying customers (insured patients). The insurance companies turned around and increased the "price" (insurance premiums) they charged for "X product" (health insurance); thus making "product X" (health insurance) more expensive; thus resulting in more "unpaying customers" (uninsured patients) demanding "free products" (health care) from "retailers" (hospitals), thus further increasing the "price" (insurance premiums) charged for "X product" (health insurance) etc. etc. etc.

    But comparing an inelastic market to a normal consumer product with elastic demand, is really as nonsensical as my post.

  23. Richard Feynman by Gim+Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think what Richard Feynman said at then end of the appendix to the report on the Space Shuttle Challenger failure may also apply in this situation.

    For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. --Richard Feynman

  24. Planning. What planning? by jamesl · · Score: 2

    ... and the gulf between planning and reality.

    Planning? What planning? Hoping. Commanding. Directing. Praying. Lying. Concealing. Misdirecting. Deceiving. But no "planning" of the type that experienced project managers would recognize.
     

  25. Executive branch... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> If Congress can't handle a simple friggin website project, it's time to clean house

    Replace "Congress" with "the current president" (you know, the one in charge of IMPLEMENTING the law - http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html) and I'll agree with you,

  26. Re:A little perspective by shilly · · Score: 2

    How about some other perspective: in 1941, the US entered into a total war, the last such war we have seen. Essentially the entire output and focus of the country was directed towards the task of winning the war. I'm not sure getting healthcare.gov up and running was really quite the same priority.

  27. Re:Six months from now by cdecoro · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a common myth that the high cost of health care is due to uncompensated obligatory emergency room care. Like many myths, it provides comfort to the general public, who are always looking for easy explanations for the complex problems of the world. But like all myths, it has the downside of being false.

    In particular, the percentage of a hospital's expenses spent on uncompensated care is about 6% (in 2011, 5.9%)
    http://www.aha.org/content/13/1-2013-uncompensated-care-fs.pdf

    The mandate to provide emergency care to all those that show up in the ER was part of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

    Turning back to the first link: what was the percentage of uncompensated care in 1985, before the Act? 5.8% So as a result of the treatment mandate, the percentage of hospital's uncompensated care went up all of 0.1%. (From then to today; there was a spike up to 6.4% the year after the Act was passed).

    Undoubtedly, uncompensated care is a problem. It's just a rather small problem. Far bigger is the lack of market forces that removes any incentives to inefficiency.

    As a side matter; I'm very sorry to hear that about your wife -- there is definitely a significant need for improvement in the system for helping people with pre-existing conditions.

  28. Design / Managers think differently than Engineers by Dan667 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the most helpful things I ever realized is that Design and Management think in terms of yes / no and Engineers think in terms of shades of gray. It will work vs it will work to "x" sigma are very different things and you have to have some skill to translate.

  29. Re:Six months from now by mythosaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a common myth that the high cost of health care is due to uncompensated obligatory emergency room care.

    The high cost of health care - as seen for by those without insurance - is the inability of the common man to receive services at the negotiated rate of insurers. An X-ray for a major insurer is $27. Double it and add a zero if I walk into the emergency room without insurance. Pills for your condition? $4 co-pay at the in-network provider for the insured. $40 a pill if you're on your own. Don't pretend the insurer is paying $40 a pill, that's just the price the uninsured pay.

    If I could pay the negotiated rates for day-to-day services, I'd have the highest deductible plan someone would sell me - saving my insurance for something actually worth insuring against - catastrophe. Unfortunately, that's not an option.

  30. Gerrymandering by glennrrr · · Score: 2

    Well, it is true that gerrymandering leads to extremists, but gerrymandering really only is that bad in large states. I live in New Hampshire, I'd like to see you try and draw a district map in New Hampshire which was more than 55% Democratic, as we only have 2 districts and both are always competitive. On the other hand, Massachusetts has no Republicans in Congress; and even then Barney Frank quit in a huff when his Newton district was redrawn to be even a little bit competitive and he'd have to spend time debating some hopeless Republican; how humiliating for him.
    I used to live in California, and the gerrymandering there was horrible and resulted in the legislature being filled with morons and parasites. It'd be nice if you could mandate a computer algorithm to draw the lines based solely on population, city boundaries and a minimum number of polygons.

  31. President surrendered leadership at the start ... by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who concedes decision-making power of the most important item on one's list? It's more than a conundrum, it's a full-blown mystery.

    It baffles me, but the President surrendered leadership on his signature legislation at the beginning. One of his first moves was to let partisan Nancy Pelosi take the lead and also take the process into the back rooms with lobbyists in tow. He surrendered his promises of an open and transparent legislative process with seats at the table for all.

  32. Providing proof by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it may be the Republican's view that government does not work and should be reduced, it's the Democrats who are proving out the validity of that view.

    Since the Democrats do not seem to have that view, it seems then a totally valid view to have given those most opposed to it are providing the evidence.

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  33. So some things best done at state level ? by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    False. 26 Republican States refused to create their own website by the December 31st 2012 deadline, forcing the Federal government to create 26 websites in less than a year.

    So you are arguing that some big social programs are best handled at the state level, that they should not be done at the federal level? That they can not be done right at the federal level?

  34. some perspective by Chirs · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to Wikipedia, "In left-right politics, right-wing describes an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social hierarchy or social inequality."

    Rand Paul is all about small government--which pretty much by definition means right-wing according to the definition above.

    Rand Paul calls himself a "constitutional conservative" and a "libertarian conservative." He opposes federal government involvement in health care, thinks it should be entirely privatized. He thinks the 14th Amendment shouldn't apply to kids of illegal immigrants. He shares some of the views of the religious right--he is against abortion even in cases of rape or incest, and he is opposed to same sex marriage.

  35. One website, over three years ... by drnb · · Score: 2

    False. 26 Republican States refused to create their own website by the December 31st 2012 deadline, forcing the Federal government to create 26 websites in less than a year.

    You are ill informed at multiple levels. (1) The federal government only needed a single website. There is only one federal exchange. (2) The federal government knew it needed this website as soon as the legislation was passed. They have had over three years to implement it.

  36. Re: GWB knew that there were no WMDs by will_die · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read some news from that time WMD were found just not the quanties the intelligence offices from almost the countries of the world said there were, Cuba and North Korea being some of the that said there were none.

  37. Re:President surrendered leadership at the start . by sphealey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    = = = One of his first moves was to let partisan Nancy Pelosi take the lead = = =

    It is always easy to spot the breitbart.com fans in the office:

    1) They all subscribe to the "Nancy Pelosi as ultimate evil librul WITCH" theory - despite Pelosi being an ordinary centrist Democrat. Which is to say, a bit to the left of the DLC/Third Way, a bit more to the left of the neoliberals: just about at the median of US voters.

    2) They have no understanding of how a legislature that intends to endure for many years and which uses parliamentary rules of procedure, actually works

    3) They have no understanding of what the Speaker of the House's job actually is.

    sPh

    Pelosi is, to be sure, a very good political manager (and therefore a very effective Speaker of the House). Perhaps that is what makes her unforgivable compared to Boehner and - particularly - Cruz.