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Coldest Spot On Planet Earth Identified
Thorfinn.au sends this news from NASA:
"What is the coldest place on Earth? It is a high ridge in Antarctica on the East Antarctic Plateau where temperatures in several hollows can dip below minus 133.6 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 92 degrees Celsius) on a clear winter night. Scientists made the discovery while analyzing the most detailed global surface temperature maps to date, developed with data from remote sensing satellites including the new Landsat 8, a joint project of NASA and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS). Ted Scambos, lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., joined a team of researchers reporting the findings Monday at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco. Researchers analyzed 32 years' worth of data from several satellite instruments. They found temperatures plummeted to record lows dozens of times in clusters of pockets near a high ridge between Dome Argus and Dome Fuji, two summits on the ice sheet known as the East Antarctic Plateau. The new record of minus 93.2 C was set Aug. 10, 2010."
I would have guessed "inside Dick Cheney's heart".
That's a great place for a datacenter!
I may have to get a pair of wool socks.
Guaranteed coolest vacation you will ever take
It will be better to purchase from an owner who is a good farmer and a good builder.
But then the nerds would have nothing to argue about, and nerds love arguing about pedantry.
I'd guess that the units thing was deliberate, just to keep them happy that they've got some nits to pick.
Considering CO2 freezes at -78C... Yikes. That's cold...
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Well, as this is cold enough for Carbon Dioxide to freeze, I imagine it gets a cool witch's cauldron effect when it warms up for the summer...
If an average man were naked at that spot - how long until he dies?
Pretty sure we've made colder temperatures in labs...
uh, you meant on a clear SUMMER night, right?
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Certainly the coldest spot on earth... just saying.
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There are no guarantees in life...
Yet disproportionate number of UI recipients find jobs within 1 month prior or after their benefits end date.
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Wow. So, what happens the atmospheric CO2 in that case? Would it precipitate as "dry ice" snow?
Ecellent question.
If it's atmospheric temps then "dry ice" shoud precipictate. Yes?
Then again, if it's radiated temps, that's differnet. Yes?
You haven't raised a family with today's costs on $67k/ year. You could probably buy a house for less than that when you started a family. Now, that'd be a mobile home with no extras.
Shit, I make 3/4 of what my father did when he was working, but I'm a LOT poorer.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
With or without a woman present?
I come here for the love
What do you think will happen to all the runoff, Einstein?
It runs down the drains that double as the heat exchangers and off the building?
Are you really that dumb or do you beat yourself in the head with rocks every day to meet your personal goal?
Yet disproportionate number of UI recipients find jobs within 1 month prior or after their benefits end date.
What exactly is a "disproportionate" number, and why is it disproportionate? Please, hard facts only, and none of this "well, just look at the number. It's obvious they were just sitting on their asses."
After all, "40% of all 'sick' days are taken on either a Monday or a Friday" sure looks like proof of sick day abuse. But once you realize that there are 5 working days in a week, and 2/5 == 40%, it actually makes perfect sense that, on average, 40% of all sick days will be taken on either a Monday or a Friday.
A friend of a friend just posted this on FB and I thought it was really interesting: "We know someone who is down there right now. They actually have to have heaters in their refrigerators to keep them from getting too cold."
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
I'll see your cryonics and raise you "a fraction of a Kelvin".
I wonder how Switzerland's guaranteed minimum income initiative is working out? Is everyone quitting their jobs to live in minimal-standards misery?
Actually, it could be *warmer* before AGW.
AGW has an annoying effect of moving weather away from moderation to extremes. So the cold gets colder, the warms get hotter, the temperate drier or wetter (droughts/floods), etc.
That's the main effects of climate change - the weather starts hitting the extremes. You get drought, followed by extensive flooding, followed by drought, etc. Summers get hotter still, winters get even colder.
The solution is to pay attention to Demand-side economics, where we stop coddling the rich (the self proclaimed job creators) and tax them. If you believe in free markets, you should know that if this captialist won't create the job another capitalist will come along and create that job. They keep telling labor, "If A does not do the job, B will. No one is indispensable". Same thing is true for them too. If A is not willing to invest when there is a job to be done, B will. No single capitalist is indispensable. We have excess capital, and lack of demand. Create demand, jobs will follow.
Of course, all it takes is a few well placed media stories about "gun control" or "gay agenda" or "baby murders" and all the people who actually would stand to gain, gain a lot in fact, would vote against their own best economic interests.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Giving people a stipend like Sweden is one of the better ideas I've heard in a long time, instead of working to further a few individuals private interests, people would now have the time to dedicate to their own interests, which would be much more diverse and generally non-profit motivated. Myself, for instance, would use my time to further medical research in compounds that can't be patented.
Socialism isn't the answer, but at the same time capitalism isn't ether. We control the world at this point in our evolution, cooperation is critical now, and there is no other way forward.
You might try having more than one person.
Try having a wife & two kids, thus 2 cars, saving for 2 colleges, and a wife who grew up poor and so wants to spoil her children. I live near enough to schools for my kids to walk to elementary, middle & high school. Thus housing is pricier than if I lived a few miles away.
But yeah, $67k/person would be fucking awesome. Our household income would be $268k! Sweet!
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The only cure for ignorance is education. Therefore, I recommend you find out first hand what it's like to be laid off and hunt for a job for months on end before passing judgement on others.
If companies can't invest in themselves, maybe they're not very good at what they're doing.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
And we have suspicions as to why...
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
I have tons of investments, not quite 1 percenter but quite high and getting there. And real long term viability of my investments, not next quarter or year or even decade depends on not screwing the economic base of this country.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
I take exception to this. As of 24 March 2012 we can state for a fact that Dick Cheney now has a normal human heart: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dick-cheney-receives-heart-transplant/
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You are a complete idiot.
My rubidium collection is named Spot, you insensitive clod!
That's true even in the short term. Asset prices are quite high right now, and growth fairly low. All this points to likely lower than historical averages on returns over the next decade.
Obviously this means that lowering taxes on the wealthy or on corporations will do nothing. What needs to be done is raise taxes on the wealthy to fund things like infrastructure projects and increase the flow of money to lower and middle class people. This should result in an increased standard of living for all citizens.
That might work well in small european states, but in the US that sort of thing would only result in the recipients having more children and in immigration fraud.
I wonder how Switzerland's guaranteed minimum income initiative is working out? Is everyone quitting their jobs to live in minimal-standards misery?
If the guaranteed minimum initiative only results in minimal-standards misery, then what good is it really?
It doesn't matter what you call the system, if the gap between rich and poor is small (say a factor of 10) then people are generally happier. Obscene disparities in wealth do nothing but fuel revolutions. The "American dream" boils down to wanting to be mega-rich, they want the wealth gap because they believe they are "exceptional" and will one day leap across it in a single bound. The US would probably work a lot better for everyone if it simply stopped arguing with itself about money.
One of the major reasons why an American can pay up to 10X as much as an Australian for inferior health care, is that the American system is obsessed with finding and eliminating people who are "getting something for nothing". Not just the government but also the hospitals and private insurance companies. There's a veritable army of government and private accountants all spending $5 to save $0.50. Here in Oz the doctor bills the government directly. It's the doctors and hospital admins who are monitored for fraud by cheap automated statistical analysis.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Everything you want to take out?
Yeah, that's called life.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Please exaplin "because all observable planets, besides earth, show the exact opposite happening" because as far as I can see Jupiter has one heck of a violent storm problem.
The center of the planet is molten. Space is cold. Air temperature is primarly affected by 1) solar input from ground heat and 2) radiative loss to space at altitude. More ground warming means more air rising, which means more cold air falling somewhere else. Making one spot hot is going to push more air up at that point, to balance that more cold air is going to "fall" somewhere else. One dynamic is that land cools quicker than water so we get arctic outflows. The world could get warmer and north america get colder due to all the cold air getting dumped on NA which is ideally shapped for north south air circulation.
Maybe. But they need to take a measurement from the center of my ex-wife's heart before they put down any records.
Proverbs 21:19
Quick! Call Ted Scambos, lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center, and tell him he's made a terrible mistake!
I mean, sure, it's possible that J. Random Slashdotter doesn't actually have anything more than a monkey's grasp of atmospheric science, and therefore no idea what he's talking about, but hey, what are the chances of that, amiright?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Well, at least a few of us are wondering how much fanfare there would be if they discovered a record high.
Disclaimer: This is not the deep south. But with double-digits below zero F every night for the past week, some global warming would be kind of nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUFTm6cJXM
Oops, that was supposed to be "-78 C" and "2.6e-4 atmospheres".
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The chances are about 10% that he's entirely wrong, and about 20% that he's a little wrong, for something like this. You'd probably be surprised if you ever actually gathered the success rate of these sorts of things. That's why the headline is incorrect. It's not conclusive. It's speculative. Good speculation, but still totally non-conclusive.
Hooray for Australia! It's discovered a hidden technique to suppress any innovation that a bureaucrat doesn't like.
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Never been known to fail..."
Actually, they did the reverse... There was a record temperature reading from about 100 years ago in Libya. This wasn't convenient because we should be setting high temperature records now, not 100 years ago... so they found a way to discredit it and get a modern death valley reading in place.
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
One is 'global', one is a 'spot' only ;)
Now we know: Climate change and temperature rise is now proven to be a myth!!... right? ;-)
These things represent enjoyment, and fun. If your life is about anything else, then you can keep it. No one cares about your superiority when you're dead.
This seemed like a reasonable sig at the time.
I'm from Wisconsin. It was 3 today. Yeah, 3F. I didn't bother to put my 2nd glove on for a run between buildings in the snow in 20 MPH winds because I was eating a donut. I would, I guess, consider that location "cold." We played airsoft one time in -11 real and -28 wind chill temps and it was only a little chilly. I have a feeling Packer fans could still go shirtless in this "coldest location" as long as they had soup or cappuccino in a thermos.
> minus 133.6 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 92 degrees Celsius)
minus 92 degrees Celsius (minus 133.6 degrees Fahrenheit)
There i fixed that for you.
Hivemind harvest in progress..
Same guy, backup account.
Sounds legit...
You can't spell "oneiromancy" without "roman".
Does that location ever change or always stays there?
oh no [satiric]
Gosh, silly me, coming in to a Slashdot discussion about Antarctica and here we are again with the standard left-wing talking points, including the one that people who don't agree with us are stupid. Thanks for contributing to a greater scientific understanding of extreme cold weather.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Well, let's see.
My older kid bought his own iPhone, pays for half his data plan, and pays for all his own games. Wears target brand clothes, pays extra if he wants name brand.
My younger kid is the same, but with his iPod.
Yeah, shocking that kids like playing with video games/computers.
But please presume to know me.
Oh, BTW, both my kids are grade accelerated while still getting As, top of their age groups in competitive AA hockey, and can have intelligent conversations with adults.
I'm guessing you didn't have that broad a life in middle school.
Still shallow?
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
...to find one of Dick Cheney's summer mansions built there. Apparently it's his favorite home away from home where he's free to let it all hang out. His tentacles, that is.
LOL at such bitterness or is it jealousy?
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Seriously? If you want better than minimum-standards misery, you go get get a friggin' job and earn more than the minimum. The minimum is there to ensure you don't starve to death during your job search.
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> we need to stop coddling the investors and job creators and fund the consumers
The notion that the business owners are the job creators is a myth. I run a business, and I want as *few people as possible* on my payroll - just enough to do the work for my clients, not one more - as every single one eats away my bottom line. In reality everyone does think this way - just check how share prices change after the announcement of layoffs.
The real job creaters are indeed the consumers who drive up demand so much that more employees are absolutely necessary in order to satisfy it.
Don't try talking about this at TED, as they'll censor you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJL33CfDfQ
Also FatPhil on SoylentNews, id 863
You forgot globalization. There is tremendous demand in the US for smart phones and flat screen TVs, yet no one in the US makes them, the jobs were created in China. We even import much of our food from China. A poor person will buy two cheap things from China instead of one quality item made in America. Raise tariffs and wall off the border. The capitalist will have to build factories here and hire Americans. Well paid workers can afford well made goods. In 1965 most people had a car and a television, both American made.
Remember, you get less of what you tax and more of what you subsidize. Tax the rich, you get less rich, subsidize the poor, you get more poor. Go ahead, gut that golden goose, then you can get ALL the gold in there.
As more things become automated, people will find new things to do. Unemployment didn't increase when we stopped making buggy whips, those people went to work making cars. As we develop new technologies, people will be needed to work in those new technologies, until they become sufficiently automated, by which time other technologies will be new. Eventually, we will need people to travel to and colonize new planets.
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