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Canonical Moving Away From GNOME Control Center
jones_supa writes "This announcement comes from the ubuntu-desktop mailing list. Due to GNOME Control Center already being a heavily patched version in Ubuntu, Canonical is planning to found their own fork called Unity Control Center. This would be a fork with a limited lifespan and later on they would move to something called Ubuntu System Settings, an in-house project. For now, a PPA has been set up to test the new fork."
It's weird how a project that consists of repackaging everything Debian has developed such a NIH problem.
I heard they have tons of kernel patches as well, so soon they'll start a new in-house project, called Hurd!
(Still) Ubuntu user here, but couldn't resist.
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Kinda strange, since Canonical and the Gnome guys definitely deserve each other.
Ubuntu is steadily moving away from Gnome and aligning more with Qt. (See: Ubuntu Phone's QML-based UI.) Getting rid of Gnome's system settings is just another small step in that direction.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
"Hybryde Linux is an Ubuntu-based distribution for the desktop. Its most unusual feature is an option to switch rapidly between multiple desktop environments and window manager without logging out - the list includes Enlightenment 17, GNOME 3 (GNOME Shell and GNOME 3 "Fallback" mode), KDE, LXDE, Openbox, Unity, Xfce and FVWM.
This is achieved via a highly customisable Hy-menu, which also allows launching applications and configuring the system. All open applications are carried to any of the available desktops. The system offers an interesting way to work fluidly in a multi-desktop environment."
http://www.hybryde.org/
They could take Minix, and nothing would then be GPL
It worked, didn't it?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
That does look cool, but why on earth did they base it on Ubuntu, instead of Debian? Looks like they want to do things their own way, but they've huddled up under Ubuntu's umbrella, where it's the "Ubuntu way, or the highway!" As a straight Debian derivative, they would have far more room to maneuver, which ever direction they decided to maneuver in.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Canonical moving away from POSIX.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
If you've been to the front pages of their website lately you'd notice an almost-complete lack of "Linux" now. I'm not sure how much the real reason for that is "trying not to break some arcane legal or Linux Mark Institute rules", or how much it's "awful covert marketing campaign for yet-unnamed replacement kernel".
Clearly they don't want to be associated with Linux...or, given their recent demeanor, most anyone.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
Why anyone ever thought Canonical wouldn't end up being vile shit bags? I have never liked Ubuntu specifically because it has a corporation tied to it ... and being that the nature of corporations is to make money at all costs and above all else, their stupid anti-OSS decisions could and should have been foreseen at the start (yes, this is worth the karma hit from fanboys).
yes, Canonical continues to leave userbase behind and trying to get vendor lockin. they are squandering their popularity on things that are alienating their fan base.
Canonical is forking something?? NIH syndrome! They should totally use something that already exists.
Canonical is using something that already exists? How dare they use something someone else made!
you are the dipshit, you're only citing projects with the same problem as Canonical that have caused the same problems of alienating and driving away users. so you prove my point. fucktard.
if only they'd remove all references to unity as well.
Ok guys, I'm here with the asbestos!
Even Shuttleworth's beard is a ill-tasted Jobs-job.
Mr. S. doesn't have the clue that there are people who seriously disliked Jobs, and thus quadruply despise
Jobs wannabees, and esp. those that no can do and therefore settle for the lip shade.
Also, does that guy pay fees to the patent holders of the term "User Experience". I.o.w. Bah!
Unity might be the worst graphical interface I've ever used, it is a bad excuse at best for a high school level GUI project. Now Canonical want's to go further and decide to write a control centre? If history is any guide to how this will turn out, the control centre will be almost unusable, it will have a layout that will make you scratch your head and wonder who laid it out and overall it make more Ubuntu users jump over to gnome 3.
... that make we want to throw up my hands and just say frack it all to Linux, period. I've been working with Linux since 1998, and from the beginning, it's been whining, backbiting, complaining, dissing, bickering, moral posturing, and in general one big ball of negativity. The vast (vast) majority of it is ill-informed fanboi nonsense.
Use what you want, work on what you want to contribute to, but holy moly can we please stop tearing down everything and anything that doesn't meet our personal code of free-open-source-grooviness?
I sometimes think that demands for ideological purity is going to be the death of Free Software...
Their new system is Qt based. I would not want to drag gnome dependencies into my Qt system if I could avoid it, too. even more so on a closed down device with limited resources like a phone. So they need to write a system settings app. It is only natural to use that on the desktop, too, especially when you want to sell the idea of "convergence".
Regards, Tobias
"The nipple is the only intuitive interface."
If the nipple is an intuitive interface, then mothers wouldn't have to shove it in our mouths the first time around. It's as much an acquired taste as your favorite desktop OS. You get used to it and eventually even come to relish it. But a bottle-fed baby wouldn't know the difference from the real thing.
When you pay, you are paying for developers to STFU about their prima ballerina complex and get to work.
Imagine directing a film where every actor and stagehand is an over-educated volunteer trying to pad their resume.
People who get paid have grown up.
Ok guys, I'm here with the asbestos!
As BestOS, what makes it better than your average OSx, how does it win?
I switched from Ubuntu to Puppy OS. It's about the easiest OS I've ever installed
The last time I tried Puppy several years ago, its JWM window manager grabbed Alt+drag for moving a window. That seriously interfered with my use of GIMP, which uses Alt within an image window for other purposes. True, it can be changed, but why do these window managers even default to interfering with applications, as opposed to defaulting to shortcuts that use the Super (aka Windows) key, which is reserved for use by supervisor processes (namely the desktop and window manager)?
Or Linux Mint Debian Edition, if you want modern ease of use and lack of selling out. There's bread, there's eggs, and there's breaded eggs.
Unlike Android and TiVo, Ubuntu uses a GNU and X11 userland, increasing compatibility with other systems in the *n?x family. This use of X11 allows for window management policies other than the typical "all maximized all the time" policy of Android devices and STBs. Unlike Android and TiVo, Ubuntu runs primarily on devices that either ship with unlocked bootloaders or whose owner can unlock the bootloader (e.g. turn off Secure Boot) without wiping the device's storage.
Just a heads-up: posting anonymously will undo the mod point unless logging out before posting (I'm guessing on that), or from another browser, of course.
I'm guessing that is probably a (gasp) bug.
If you can get past the casual insults, parent is actually hugely perceptive and making a key point. Gnu/Linux is becoming more and more monolithic, and it is Redhat pulling the strings.
Do be fair, I strongly criticize Debian for rolling over in the face of this (they are adopting systemd and Gnome3 with all that means in terms of the tendrils noted above). I would have cheered if they chucked them both and took up Xfce instead. Yes, I realize you still have control over what packages you install, but it is getting significantly more difficult to avoid the tendrils.
Easy there. Minus the casual insults, it seems to be you both are in agreement and making good points.
Even after they "replace" X11, desktop Linux distributions will probably ship with an X server that runs on top of whatever they choose to replace it with in order to keep old applications running. Or have a lot of people started using an X server to run desktop apps on a Android device with HDMI output?
No, Mir is dual licensed - BOTH GPL3 and BSDL. Wayland is same as X11 license, which is again a BSDL/MITL variant