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Data Broker Medbase200 Sold Lists of Rape & Domestic Violence Victims

McGruber writes "During her testimony (PDF) at a Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation hearing Wednesday about the data-broker industry, Pam Dixon, executive director of the World Privacy Forum, revealed that the Medbase200 unit of Integrated Business Services Incorporated had been offering a list of 'rape sufferers' on its website, at a cost of $79 for 1,000 names. The company, which sells marketing information to pharmaceutical companies, also offered lists of domestic violence victims, HIV/AIDS patients, and 'peer pressure sufferers.' In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Integrated Business Services Incorporated President Sam Tartamella initially denied that his company maintained or sold databases of rape victims. After the Journal provided him a link to the 'rape sufferers' page, he said he would remove it from Medbase200's website and denied ever having sold such a list. The page was removed later Wednesday."

168 comments

  1. speaking of lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The SEC database 'EDGAR' lists corporations, and required information are the names and contact information for corporate officers.....
    Just so you know that THEIR names are on lists, too.....

    1. Re:speaking of lists by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      are you suggesting that SEC list should be "synchronised" with rape victim list, you little dirty boy?

    2. Re:speaking of lists by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      Executives usually provide the contact information of their lawyers, not their personal contact information.

    3. Re:speaking of lists by Desler · · Score: 1

      You're right. That's totally comparable to this case. If you're a mental defective.

    4. Re:speaking of lists by davester666 · · Score: 2

      It probably already is linked, only not in the way you think...

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  2. Big Data should be banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't need to know this information and you especially don't need to know this information in aggregate.

    1. Re:Big Data should be banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. In any sane society, pretty much all modern data-aggregating and mining activity right up to Google's and the NSA's activity would be outlawed.

      And, yeah, that would spoil both of their business plans.

      And, that's right, it's not society's job to protect profit vehicles.

    2. Re:Big Data should be banned by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you want to ban the study of entire fields like sociology and economics, as well as things like the testing of new pharmaceuticals?

    3. Re:Big Data should be banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why would any of that need personal information of the people on these lists?

    4. Re:Big Data should be banned by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      The commenter proposed banning all data aggregation. It's hard to do any sort of study of large groups of people if you can't at some point collect and aggregate data about all the individuals involved.

    5. Re:Big Data should be banned by ewieling · · Score: 2

      It's hard to do any sort of study of large groups of people if you can't at some point collect and aggregate data about all the individuals involved.

      I disagree. There is no need for information which identifies specific individuals when determining the effectiveness of a drug or medical procedure in a large group of people. There is no need for information which identifies specific individuals for market research or television ratings. Those are just a few examples. Data can be made anonymous without losing its usefulness.

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    6. Re:Big Data should be banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since most companies buy data for commercial efforts buying a list of rape victims might make good sense for alarm companies, security products or even gun sales. Data collection can be a blessing or a curse. Either way I doubt that it can or will be regulated successfully . And it will get to the point at which a person might have trouble with buying life insurance or getting a job simply because they rarely eat green, leafy vegetables. After all your grocery purchases are sort of an open book with checks, debit cards and credit cards all steering anyone who wants your data to purchase it. And employers might take a great interest in liquor or tobacco purchases.

    7. Re:Big Data should be banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data can be made anonymous without losing its usefulness.

      It's still Big Data.

    8. Re:Big Data should be banned by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no need for information which identifies specific individuals when determining the effectiveness of a drug or medical procedure in a large group of people.

      Not always.

      On the most basic level, you want to distinguish male from female. There are some drugs and diseases that have a different course in men than women, so you want to go back and see whether that's the case in a particular study.

      There are some genes that are more common in black caribbean populations, that affect the metabolism of opioids. So a normal dose of codeine for a cough might be fatal for a black caribbean person. So you want to know in the study how many people were black (and preferably of caribbean origin).

      You want to know who's a smoker and who's a non-smoker.

      This is particularly an issue when you have one study that says a treatment worked, another study that says it didn't work, and you want to go back and figure out why they're coming to different conclusions.

    9. Re:Big Data should be banned by Stickerboy · · Score: 2

      It's hard to do any sort of study of large groups of people if you can't at some point collect and aggregate data about all the individuals involved.

      I disagree. There is no need for information which identifies specific individuals when determining the effectiveness of a drug or medical procedure in a large group of people. There is no need for information which identifies specific individuals for market research or television ratings. Those are just a few examples. Data can be made anonymous without losing its usefulness.

      Data can be made anonymous without losing its usefulness; however, data cannot be made anonymous without losing the ability to check its veracity.

      If there is no real person connected to data in aggregate in a scientific study, then there is no way to prevent a scientist from making up data wholesale and padding the results to favor one outcome or another. Conversely, if a skeptical competitor levels charges of this against you, being unable to point to the real people that you derived the results from looks bad.

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    10. Re:Big Data should be banned by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

      No it can't. Even basic demographic data can be used to uniquely identify people. For example, {gender | birthdate | zip code} is a unique identifier for 87% of the people in this country:

      http://dataprivacylab.org/projects/identifiability/paper1.pdf

    11. Re:Big Data should be banned by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but what's wrong with the aggregated information? If information is properly aggregated, you can't use it to identify individuals. Perhaps you meant a different term? Only, I can't guess what term you meant.

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    12. Re:Big Data should be banned by ewieling · · Score: 1

      I wondered if anyone was going to bring that up. I do not feel a birth date belongs in anonymous data. Age (birth year) should be enough for most data sets. The zipcode issue is tougher, but I don't think it is needed for most data sets.

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    13. Re:Big Data should be banned by ewieling · · Score: 1

      When I said "information which identifies specific individuals" I meant Name, birthdate, social security number, address, etc. I did not mean gender, smoker, or specific genes.

      Genetic data is a thorny issue. It can be very useful to have as complete genetic profile as possible in some data sets, especially when you don't know exactly what you are looking for. An example might be the genetic profiles of large numbers of breast cancer patients. As you learn more it could be useful to go back and different other queries against the genetic data.

      We need laws which prohibit most data sets from having personally identifiable information as well as laws which require the data be kept secure and not sold. More importantly we need existing laws enforced.

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    14. Re:Big Data should be banned by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      It would be pretty inefficient to market post-rape products to everyone,

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  3. so it's come to this by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    wow.

    1. Re:so it's come to this by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Who sold you the list of XKCD posts?!

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    2. Re:so it's come to this by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      I don't understand what that is, nor why you're asking me..

    3. Re:so it's come to this by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
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  4. Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think I'm starting a business which will sell data on the 1% to anyone who wants it. It's time to even the odds.

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    1. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      I'm in. Great idea. What do you need from me? A customer? An investor? A researcher? A developer?

    2. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to attend school and learn to spell.

    3. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by collect0r · · Score: 1

      make it 2% then its even odds

    4. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Slashdot IS the 1%: You need just $34,000 annual income to be in the global elite.

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    5. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, it's time to change the copyright laws so the subject of information has joint ownership of copyright on the information, with no implicit licensing. In other words, if you collect data about me in the course of our business relationship, it's private, and you may not retransmit it without my explicit, informed consent.

      Captcha: nausea (how appropriate)

    6. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has existed since the 19th century in the US. It's called "The Social Register."

      Their website is here: http://www.socialregisteronline.com/

      CAPTACH: existing

    7. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they sell a list of pedophiles and rapists too? Oh wait, that's free from the government. Down with the repressive sex offender registry; Megan's Law is socialism!

    8. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      AC on AC action!

    9. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      Here you go. Now, good luck staying in business...

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    10. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Slashdot IS the 1%: You need just $34,000 annual income to be in the global elite.

      I find that number to be wrong on many levels.

      First, 1% of the population is about 70M people.

      You're telling me that out of the population of the US, Canada and Western Europe, that only 70M of those people make more then $34,000?

      If they were all Americans, that means 3 out of every 4 Americans make less than $34,000, a number I feel is high, especially when you add in the populations of Western Europe.

      Additionally, I would think a there would be a significant number of those people in say, China (where income inequality is HUGE)..

      I would believe the number is much closer to the top 5-8% of the population makes $34,000+.

    11. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      I think I'm starting a business which will sell data on the 1% to anyone who wants it. It's time to even the odds.

      Crowdfund it....

    12. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US, Canada and Western Europe

      Uhhhh... there are many more places in the world than that. The OP is right - if you're here, you're most likely part of the global 1%.

    13. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      I've heard $44k, but your point stands. If you have sole use of a car, you're pretty much a huge baller by global standards.

    14. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So... the idea is to send the first list to the people on the second list?

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    15. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You're telling me that out of the population of the US, Canada and Western Europe, that only 70M of those people make more then $34,000?

      That wouldn't surprise me too much. The inverse of the Labor Force Participation Rate (actual unemployment, as opposed to the reported unemployment statistic based on Americans eligible to receive unemployment benefits — it has run out for most Americans) is over 30% in the USA. And our populations are aging into retirement.

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    16. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      So you think Integrated Business Services ought to be allowed to take legal action against Pam Dixon for releasing information about them without having gotten their explicted informed consent first?

    17. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Tom · · Score: 0, Troll

      You probably only need DNA, or be alive, or have a carbon atom inside your body to be in the solar or galactic elite.

      Local comparisons are usually more meaningful than global ones. Yes, it helps to remind ourselves that we're not living in a slum with no electricity and water, but "someone else is worse" is a really horrible argument against social inequality.

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    18. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uhhhh... there are many more places in the world than that. The OP is right - if you're here, you're most likely part of the global 1%.

      The total population of the US, Canada, and the EU, as of 2008 is 550 million people out of a total global population of about 6.7 billion. 8% > 1%.

      Of course, this is an irrelevant distraction, because the phrase "the 1%" was coined to cover the top 1% of Americans, not the world.

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    19. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called a "B2B List" and any marketing list vendor will sell it to you.

    20. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, the guy you're arguing with probably has no problem asserting that the millions of unemployed could all occupy the hundreds of thousands of jobs if they would just get off their fat lazy asses and work.

    21. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope, they're a business entity. The copyright on personal information should apply to real people only.

    22. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by PraiseBob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome to the global elite. Don't worry, thanks to geography and luck, you don't even have to be good at math.

    23. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by citizenr · · Score: 1
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    24. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

      It still hobbles the ability of whistle blowers and reporters to inform the public. For example, Toronto Star reporters Kevin Donovan and Robyn Doolittle could be arrested for revealing the video of Rob Ford smoking crack without his permission.

    25. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      Turnabout is fair play.

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    26. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Filter · · Score: 1

      BTW, ball park numbers from the top of my head:

      EU 500,000,000
      US 330,000,000
      CAN 35,000,000

      Total ~865,000,000

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    27. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      What do you need from me?

      Just your name, address, favourite pet's name and cup size.

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    28. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a legitimate concern. I would concede that some implicit license should be given for information that is of significant public interest vs. purely commercial interest. There's also a difference between publishing information vs. selling it privately.

    29. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In socialism things ran a bit different...

    30. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      What do you need from me?

      Just your name, address, favourite pet's name and cup size.

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    31. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      The top 1% in 2011 earned $47,500 (individual income) according to the web site cited below. That means that a family of 2 adults would need to make $95,000/yr to fall into the global 1%. For a family with 2 kids, a dog and a hamster, that total grows to $190,000/yr. Remember kids, this is individual income distribution across all people, not family income distribution or anything like that.

      Here is the source: http://www.globalrichlist.nl/how.asp

      Not a too many American families make it into the global 1% any more.

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    32. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      In the United States 25% of the >15 year old population has a personal income > $50K

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States .25 * 234 x 10^6 = 58.5 x 10^6.

      That's 0.8% of the world population.

    33. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Not a too many American families make it into the global 1% any more.

      Well, the US is ~5% of the world population. So I'd imagine 1/5 Americans would be the upper limit.

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    34. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      I would concede that some implicit license should be given for information that is of significant public interest vs. purely commerce

      Well at the very least, let's leave enough vagueness in it so the interpretation can be argued by scholars of the law.

      What the hell kind of World will we have if they slip out of the 1%.

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    35. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      "Someone else is (has it?)worse" is a really horrible argument against social inequality? With ~two billion people living of off 2 dollars a day or less, with no chance of any meaningful education or healthcare, I believe it to be a rather strong argument. Global is local, it's a tiny planet in my opinion as member of the galactic elite : ).

      Apropos world military expenditure in 2012 totalled $1753 billion, around 2.5% of world GDP.

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    36. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 2

      In the United States 25% of the >15 year old population has a personal income > $50K

      You are mixing per-capita income (mine) with the income of wage earners (yours). That is the same misleading comparison the web site I linked to was tempting potential donors with.

      A clearer picture can be had by looking here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

      The first big table has "household income" as well as "household size". This shows that one needs to be near the top 10% before you get to "$47,500 per capita" rate that is considered "the global 1%".

      I am not downplaying the fact that the U.S. has a lot of wealth compared to the rest of the world. But some of the numbers thrown around are used in a misleading manner. For example, the site I linked to above was trying to get wage earners to compare their personal or household income with some "global per capita wage" and not asking for their household wage and number of household members, which would be a more fair comparison.

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    37. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by H0p313ss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sometime around the age of 12 one of my children commented "I wish we were rich."

      I stopped the car and turned around, "We are rich." I said

      "Both your mother and I both earn enough money to have a house and a car. You are always clothed and fed, you never go to bed hungry and cold. You get to travel, play sports and get a good education. Nobody forces you to work, ever. You don't have to fetch water just to survive, morning noon and night"

      "Remember that there are tens of millions of people around the world who have none of these things, and you have them all."

      I turned around and continued driving.

      Years later my daughter reminded me of the conversation and how it had triggered a kind of awakening.

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    38. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      damn right!

      I may be '1%' compared to some poor schuck in india or china but I'm not even close to 1% in my own country, where the comparison really matters.

      those who shift the argument to 'world-wide' are intellectually dishonest.

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    39. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I used the 2nd table which provides a straight histogram of the number of individuals in a particular income range. Per capita doesn't come into it at all.

      The household income table is much more difficult to interpret in this context.

    40. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      I used the 2nd table which provides a straight histogram of the number of individuals in a particular income range. Per capita doesn't come into it at all.

      The household income table is much more difficult to interpret in this context.

      Getting straight facts often takes a little effort. If you are not using per-capita income, you are throwing around numbers with no cited baseline. What is the top 1% for the numbers that you are using (with references)?

      You have provided no credible sources for those figures at a global level. You started off with some random $50,000/yr figure and are comparing that to a completely different population group (wage earners). Apples::Oranges.

      Here is another reference: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082385/We-1--You-need-34k-income-global-elite--half-worlds-richest-live-U-S.html. Note that they are using "after tax" income ($34,000), which throws even more confusion into the mix. They claim that 48% of the global 1% live in the U.S.

      If 48% of the richest 1% live in the US, we can see that 1% of 7B (global population) is 70M. 70M * 48% = 33.6M. Of the 300M US population, 33.6M are in the global 1%. That matches pretty closely (11.2%) with my earlier figures. And rather far off from 25%.

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    41. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by inflamed · · Score: 1

      Is this the only place where it matters?

    42. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      $34,000/year in China or India is a lot. Not so in North America or Europe (lower middle-class at best in many places). You have to take in account the cost of living. I wouldn't even try living in New-York on that amount.

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    43. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already have this and have had this for over a decade. I used to work for one of the biggest and scummiest banks in the world, you figure it out which, and my job was basically digging for dirt on the 1%. The pay sucked, hours were terrible, and it's hard to forget what douchebag has 5 boats after staring at the screen for 12 fuckin hours. And all this because PATRIOT ACT said so.

    44. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I don't pay too much attention to the Daily Mail. They have turned out to be unreliable too many times in the past. I've even caught them intentionally lying about some issues with global warming.

      The 2nd chart in the article I used is from the US Census. I think that's pretty reliable.

      http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstables/032011/perinc/new01_001.htm

      For the top 1% worldwide I used this:

      http://ideas.repec.org/p/wpa/wuwphe/0305002.html

      And the calculator here:

      http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/why-give/how-rich-am-i

      which is based on the above.

    45. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sharing is caring, friend.

    46. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by sjames · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you know damned well what people mean by 'the 1%' and that that isn't it.

      Of course, the $34,000 figure is a very simple minded computation that fails to capture things like cost of living.

    47. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by skegg · · Score: 2

      In the context of parent's comment, yes, that matters very much.

      After all, what is the average cost of living in India or China?

    48. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With ~two billion people living of off 2 dollars a day or less, with no chance of any meaningful education or healthcare, I believe it to be a rather strong argument.

      No, it isn't.

      I'm sure a hundred million kids get beaten daily. Doesn't make it right to beat yours.

      Some evil somewhere else does not justify an evil here and now.

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    49. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by tomhath · · Score: 1

      So you agree that Snowden should be extradited and punished?

    50. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      I used to be in that business, I'll tell you ... it's already out there. I'm very glad I'm no longer anywhere near the industry. I'd feel better dealing with hitmen and druglords.

      Some of the Fortune 1000 crowd have their data flagged. If you have access to a service that provides such information, and you search for say "Bill Gates", there will be a shitstorm.

      We were told by some 3rd party data sources that we were contractually obliged to maintain a list of "high profile" people, so those searches would always return empty. I pushed them for who "high profile" was. Bill Gates was obvious, because that was the reason the conversation came up. Theoretically, the list should include the Fortune 1000 crowd, and anyone who shows up in the news. They couldn't provide parameters, so that obligation wasn't possible to fulfill.

      And on that specific search, they weren't searching for the obvious Bill Gates of Microsoft. It was someone with the same name in another state on an authorized background check.

      The amount of data that I was exposed to was absolutely insane. Pretty much, I could tell you stuff about yourself that you may not even remember, plus your neighbors, relatives, romantic partners, and people you associate with. It was down to your hobbies, shopping habits, and even photos and messages from social media.

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    51. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot IS the 1%: You need just $34,000 annual income to be in the global elite.

      Oh good! Thanks! You've convinced me that we need to do nothing about inequality!

    52. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 1

      The guy you're arguing with probably has no problem asserting that you don't know how good you have it here.

    53. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Since we have a military as big as the rest of the world put together, yes, this is the only place where it matters.

    54. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 1

      You're telling me that out of the population of the US, Canada and Western Europe, that only 70M of those people make more then $34,000?

      If they were all Americans, that means 3 out of every 4 Americans make less than $34,000, a number I feel is high, especially when you add in the populations of Western Europe.

      http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

      Per capita money income in past 12 months (2012 dollars) $28,051
      Median household income $53,046

    55. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 1

      .Yes, it helps to remind ourselves that we're not living in a slum with no electricity and water, but "someone else is worse" is a really horrible argument against social inequality.

      How come we can use "someone else is worse" to make the rich pay more taxes?

      gov: Mr. Hunt, we're taxing your secret offshore account. Here's your tax bill: $1 billion.

      Hunt (Tears pouring down his cheeks): Boo hoo! I can't afford that!

      gov: Don't complain. Billionaires in Africa are starving.

      Hunt: I won't create any more jobs! I'll move to Barbados!

      gov: Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

    56. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 2

      Sometime around the age of 12 one of my children commented "I wish we were rich."

      I stopped the car and turned around, "We are rich." I said

      "Both your mother and I both earn enough money to have a house and a car. You are always clothed and fed, you never go to bed hungry and cold. You get to travel, play sports and get a good education.

      That must have been a long time ago, or you must have a lot of money. In order to get a good education today, you have to be rich. Not only does a college education cost at least $20,000 a year, but in the U.S. you usually have to live in an expensive neighborhood to go to a good K-12 education.

      Nobody forces you to work, ever.

      She never has to work? Even to make her living expenses? What does she have, a trust fund? She is rich.

    57. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well that's the point isn't it? They don't have it so good here. The fact that people elsewhere are held in worse conditions is immaterial just the way a man who beats and rapes a woman can't turn around to that woman and say "you have it so good, I didn't sell you into slavery.."

      The fact is way too many Americans DON'T have to good - period. They have it pretty bad in fact. 22% of children live in outright poverty. When you look at how "poverty" is defined, it's really far far worse than that sounds 18.6K a year for a family of 3.

      Perhaps you'd accept an employers logic that you should be paid 18.6 k a year because , hey, an entire *family* can make that much and STILL be OK. Or perhaps you'd find that logic exploitative, self-serving and irrelevant and the lifestyle which was forced on you by those wages grinding and abusive leaving you little in terms of time, money or energy so you could advance yourself.

      The people who have it good ARE the top 1% and they're doing it at other people's expense, and to their own detriment BTW. Distorting laws and markets , in the long run hurts everyone. The problem is that run is long enough for an entire lifetime to play out nicely for the distorter. Given that people will do drugs that ruin their entire lives almost immediately in order to feel good for a very brief time, we can't expect the system to ever self correct.

      The "you have it so good relative to X" is a fascist meme (not saying you yourself are fascist ! ! ). Scratch the surface and you'll see It's used almost exclusively to excuse abuse by an abuser or an enabler or sympathsizer of the enabler or, at best, someone who heard it and thought it sounded tough and realistic is a macho "life's tough, get over it" kinda way.

    58. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 2

      Every time I hear somebody say, "You don't know how good you have it here," I think of the 1960s underground comics artist Gilbert Shelton and his character Wonder Warthog, who used to go around saying that. "In other countries, the government tells people what they can eat, drink and smoke." I can't find the right cartoon, but here's a different one to give you the idea. http://bdtrash.forumdediscussions.com/t1410-wonder-wart-hog-super-heros-dejante-de-gilbert-shelton

      "You don't know how good you have it here" is a cold war meme that was used to compare us to Soviet Russia.

      The interesting thing was that they took the worst features of American capitalist society, and argued that in Russia it was even worse. They were projecting our own flaws on Russia.

      Paul Robeson and Linus Pauling weren't allowed to have a passport because the passport office didn't like their politics? Well, in Russia, people are put in jail just for wanting to leave.

      Communists are sent to jail here for printing books and newspapers the government doesn't like? Well, in Russia, people are shot for saying things the government doesn't like.

      Now, they don't have the Soviet Union to kick around any more.

      People who can't afford health care are going bankrupt? Well, in Canada and England you have to wait six months to see a doctor.

    59. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody forces you to work, ever.

      She never has to work? Even to make her living expenses? What does she have, a trust fund? She is rich.

      Actually, since GP was admonishing their 12-year old child: nobody is (ever) forcing that 12-year old child to work (for a living).

    60. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She was 12 at the time. It would be unusual to be forced to work for a living at the age of 12.

    61. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      That must have been a long time ago, or you must have a lot of money. In order to get a good education today, you have to be rich. Not only does a college education cost at least $20,000 a year, but in the U.S. you usually have to live in an expensive neighborhood to go to a good K-12 education.

      No, we just live in a civilized country.

      She never has to work? Even to make her living expenses? What does she have, a trust fund? She is rich.

      Well
          A) Forced, are you forced to work?
          B) She was 12, I was talking about child labor.

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    62. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Tom · · Score: 1

      How come we can use "someone else is worse" to make the rich pay more taxes?

      You mean you are seriously questioning an argument that points out how A is not a reason to not act on B with the counter-argument that we do use A as an argument to do act on B?

      Taxing the rich is the price they pay for society protecting them from the poor who'd otherwise go and take their wealth (and possibly their lives) away. It's a pretty good solution. The poor like it because they get at least some money without having to kill someone for it. The middle class likes it because it keeps society peaceful, and the rich like it because it's cheaper than everyone paying for their own castle and army to protect themselves.

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    63. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by HiThere · · Score: 1

      He included China. He did, however, admit that he couldn't estimate the fraction above the limit. Still, if he's right, and over 1% of Chinese make over $40,000 (due to inequality in distribution), then many on Slashdot may NOT be a part of the global 1%. China is the dominating factor here, and it's an unknown.

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    64. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I really doubt those numbers. I suspect, e.g., that unemployed people are drastically undercounted. (This has been true in the past. I don't KNOW that it's true this time.) I'm certain that income from criminal activities is underreported. Etc. (There's also racial bias in the counts, and even some political bias...though that's usually accidental. You could say that about racial undercounting, also. Census takers are reluctant to interview truculent people in low-income areas, often due to fears of personal safety.)

      IFAIK the census *tries* to be accurate. This doesn't mean that it *is* accurate, or that it doesn't have systematic biases.

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    65. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Economists have a few internal checks to correct for as many inaccuracies as they can.

      It doesn't have to be too accurate. It doesn't make much difference whether the per capita cash income is $25,000 a year or $30,000. It's still too low for an economy as successful as ours, with a cost of living as high as ours.

      The American capitalist system is the most successful economy in the world, isn't it?

    66. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      those who shift the argument to 'world-wide' are intellectually dishonest.

      Actually, yes they are in this context. The original exchange that started this whole thread was someone saying that we should sell info on "the 1%," obviously meaning the phrase as coined by the Occupy movement in the context of the wealthiest members of American society who the original poster conflated with those in control of selling this information.

      Then someone responded that everyone on Slashdot was part of "the 1%" by changing the definition of what "the 1%" meant to something different that suited his argument. Of course, in the process he committed a few math errors, which is what I was addressing in the bulk of my post, but that attempt to argue by definition was intellectually dishonest, and I stand by my statement to that effect.

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    67. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      It is pretty hard ot hid billion dollar mansions, I am sure it is very easy to get lists for free.

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    68. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      He said global elite. Globally just having indoor plumbing, and eating meat more than once a month is Elite status.

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    69. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Why is the limit imposed only at the country level? Why not state, or county or city? What about suburb or street? I would've thought that thinking global makes a lot more sense in this day and age. Especially since those Indians and Chinese are the ones who will be primarily responsible for preventing you from ever reaching the 1%.

    70. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Except that surviving on $2 a day isn't evil, it's normal.

    71. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1
      Maybe I need to wait a while. My kids keep saying "life's not fair", I respond, you're right, you live in a nice house with a pool, live by the beach, eat what you like, get quality education, while most children on this planet live in a cardboard box and struggle to eat 3 meals a day. You better hope life doesn't get fair otherwise you're going to lose a lot of good stuff.

      They still don't get it though. I even took them on a family holiday to Myanmar, walked the streets in the mud to give them first hand experience at how the average 3rd world person lives and they just got bored and wanted to go home. Might have to try again in a few more years when they're a bit older.

    72. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Yet, most people in this world would happily choose to live in NYC on $34k than where-ever they are on whatever they are. Perhaps you really are wealthy after all, you just don't realise/appreciate it?

    73. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Tom · · Score: 1

      Evil and normal are not opposites, so they can co-exist.

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    74. Re:Time to sell List of CEOs home addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A) Forced, are you forced to work?

      Are you forced to eat?

  5. The Real Crime Here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real crime here is $79 for a 1,000 name list. I'll bet they claimed that they were all verified opt-in too.

    1. Re:The Real Crime Here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verified opt-in....there's a rape joke in there somewhere...

    2. Re:The Real Crime Here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and it ain't funny.

  6. How Fucked is That??? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

    Medbase200 unit of Integrated Business Services Incorporated had been offering a list of 'rape sufferers' on its website, at a cost of $79 for 1,000 names. The company, which sells marketing information to pharmaceutical companies, also offered lists of domestic violence victims, HIV/AIDS patients, and 'peer pressure sufferers.'

    Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going ahead and putting in my application with Uncle Enzo's CosaNostra Pizza Corporation...

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  7. HIPPA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How is this even possible with the entire medical privacy laws. I understand data might be important to further medical science but shouldn't it be sanitized of identifying information? And if it is not, then shouldn't the patients being exposed be compensated for this use? It is not like something so heavily regulated like medical industry can offer real choices for alternatives. I've seen counties deny hospitals planned on being built just so the one already in place could expand right after they fought tooth and nail to stop the competition.

    It's complete BS if you ask me.

    1. Re:HIPPA? by pitchpipe · · Score: 1

      HIPPA?

      How is this even possible with the entire medical privacy laws.

      Maybe you didn't get the memo? The government has stopped abiding by the law. Corporations have quit abiding by the law. Apparently these morons lack the imagination to figure out what happens as you extrapolate out what will occur when everyone quits abiding by the law.

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    2. Re:HIPPA? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      How is this even possible with the entire medical privacy laws

      Don't worry, I expect that the names were extracted from examining metadata, so that makes it legal (According to Feinstein, Obama and the NSA).

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    3. Re:HIPPA? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      HIPPA makes it illegal for a health care provider to share the information. This company claims it got the data from other sources, which is legal if not ethical.

      Plus HIPPA is so poorly written nobody really knows what it means anyway. The driver for it was to simplify Medicaid billing across the 50 states, all that privacy/security stuff was a toss in from Ted Kennedy

    4. Re:HIPPA? by nbauman · · Score: 1

      The Roberts Supreme Court hasn't been very good to privacy. Under Sorrell v. IMS Health, it ruled that a doctor can't stop a pharmacy from selling his prescribing information to an information broker. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrell_v._IMS_Health_Inc.

    5. Re:HIPPA? by nbauman · · Score: 1

      HIPPA makes it illegal for a health care provider to share the information. This company claims it got the data from other sources, which is legal if not ethical.

      Plus HIPPA is so poorly written nobody really knows what it means anyway. The driver for it was to simplify Medicaid billing across the 50 states, all that privacy/security stuff was a toss in from Ted Kennedy

      That's right. HIPPA doesn't actually protect your privacy -- it protects doctors and hospitals who want to violate your privacy.

      Covered entities may disclose protected health information to law enforcement officials for law enforcement purposes as required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests; or to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person.[21] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipaa#Privacy_Rule

        It protects you like a condom made by the lowest bidder.

    6. Re:HIPPA? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      But it doesn't stop them from keeping it on a windows machine that isn't properly maintained or isolated.

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  8. Utterly despicable by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As if these poor peoples' lives weren't already shitty enough.
    Now we have a bunch of marketeer ass-hats singling them out as unique business opportunities.
    Yet again, making me wish I owned a gun, yet glad I don't, since I'd shoot these motherfuckers in a heartbeat.

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    1. Re:Utterly despicable by jhumkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember as a teenager, my mother telling about a miscarriage she had a few years after I was born (too young to remember). Apparently they did a D&C afterwards (to scrap residue off the walls). But, hospitals (at that time at least) must've listed some Abortions as D&C's.
      (At the time of the conversation) its 13+ years later and someone had just stolen some hospital records and was harrasing recent D&C patients for "having Abortions" . . .
      She was horror struck at what it must've been like, for those "want to be mothers", still suffering the tragedy of having lost a child unwillingly . . . to have some dipwad confront them and accuse them of having an Abortion.
      Patient records should be sacrosanct for a reason.

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    2. Re:Utterly despicable by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      My wife had a miscarriage like this.

      Dipwad isn't the right word. I don't think human language is capable of expressing what this triggers in me.

    3. Re:Utterly despicable by Chas · · Score: 2

      Usually it's a non-verbal expression...

      It starts with a clenching of the fists...and ends with the bastard basically homogenized over every surface within eyesight.

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  9. Not surprised by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    You have to expect this, when the only legal and moral duty that directors and managers of their companies are to look after their shareholders. And even then, the shareholders get raped by the boss class.

    As a society, we reap what we sow, when we let them get sufficiently powerful, that they can simply buy favourable laws and regulations and tell the world to get fucked.

    This will be the undoing of Western civilisation -- our inability to contain the power of a feral, out-of-control overclass.

    1. Re:Not surprised by sjames · · Score: 1

      You have to expect this, when the only legal and moral duty that directors and managers of their companies are to look after their shareholders.

      Actually they have a duty to behave in an ethical and moral fashion as well as to obey the law. In theory their corporate charter is supposed to be on condition that the entity is a net good for the society at large.

      None of that is enforced, but that doesn't make it non-existant.

      I agree that it is well past time to start enforcing.

    2. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when the only legal and moral duty that directors and managers of their companies are to look after their shareholders

      Being employed by a company does not give somebody a moral and ethical get-out-of-jail-free card.

      Moral and ethical considerations that apply to an individual apply equally when they are an officer in a company. In fact more so because they are in addition acting as a representative of shareholders and have a duty of care to represent the shareholder's interests as if the shareholder himsilf/herself was doing it. This relates to the principal–agent problem

      Sociopaths try to argue differently but then, they're just being sociopaths.

  10. To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    with, "if you've nothing to hide," I hope this will make you consider how much privacy has to do with simple human dignity.

    1. Re:To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      with, "if you've nothing to hide," I hope this will make you consider how much privacy has to do with simple human dignity.

      The subject line is for the subject, not the first half sentence of the content. Okay? Thanks.

    2. Re:To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      The people who say that obviously don't know enough about themselves.

      With a USC so dense that even the feds themselves admit they have no way of knowing everything they've criminalized.

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    3. Re:To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to mention safety. I was an IT contractor for a community outreach group that ran a number of safe homes for victims of rape and domestic violence. The addresses of those houses was very, very closely guarded, and the security measures in place to keep everything under wraps was dialed up to 11. Any lapses could potentially cost someone their life. Anyone responsible for selling this info needs to be locked up for a good, long time, and the articles of incorporation should be immediately dissolved.

    4. Re:To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by SpaceManFlip · · Score: 2
      you eloquent bastard, you have simply nailed the paradigm, and I applaud your truthiness

      Also for the other person mentioning doing IT work for rape shelter stuff - I bet it wouldn't be very hard to find volunteer armed guards for those types of safe houses. I personally, having known a few abuse victims, would view sitting around with a shotgun to ward off rapist/beaters as an honorable task. That would be a good community-outreach-volunteer program to get going in a lot of places: volunteer rape victim guard services etc

    5. Re: To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it would then make these places easier to find...

    6. Re:To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      Back in the late 1980's, the USC stood at over 300 (and grows by an average of 25 volumes per year) hardbound volumes of regulations, laws, and suggested penalties of around an average of 800 pages per volume. The indexes themselves stood at 26 volumes of a bit smaller size, and included the names of the Congress members who submitted, amended, voted for/against/abstained each as well as vote totals for each by party.

      On a sidenote: The books are of such a size, that if laid end-to-end at that time, they would have gone from Washington DC to New York City, New York. The volumes are not the typical size of your average hardbound novel, for sure.

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    7. Re: To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a rape shelter, not a bug-out shelter. It's a public service. It's already easy to find. Or else it would be useless.

    8. Re: To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And if the powers that be allowed for community service hours to be worked off in this fashion, there would be a run on drunken collisions with the police station.

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    9. Re: To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a rape shelter, not a bug-out shelter. It's a public service. It's already easy to find. Or else it would be useless.

      (-1: Clueless). Only the front-end needs to be easy to find. The actual physical location of the shelters needs to be as hard to find as possible.

    10. Re:To all those who reply to privacy concerns... by newslash.formatblows · · Score: 1

      Someone mod this up to about +8!

  11. Anyone else numbed by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to say I'm surprised by this, but I honestly can't say that I am. Between credit card purchases, age and sex demographics, location and time metadata, this is just one more list that is being bought and sold for someone elses benefit. One would think, that some things are even immune to the corporate and advertising whore machine, but apparently even the sexually and physically abused can't catch a break.

    Personally, I think this only continues to highlight the real underlying problem with America; privacy. You really have none. Well, you might have a fair amount inside your head, and within reason, the ability to travel and purchase goods, but anything beyond the virtual seems to have exponentially increasing risk. Regardless of your perceived privacy, the line is continuously being blurred between Government, and corporate, and it appears that everyones personal history, is on the market for purchase. I really have to wonder just what the elected officials in our Government have to hide, since they've been all but silent on well, everything.

    I'd like to think the 4th amendment isn't completely dead and buried, since I believe individual liberty and privacy are undeniably intertwined to it, but the realist in me knows I don't have the funds and legal backing to ensure that I can retain such a luxury. I seriously doubt the sexually and physically abused can either.

  12. Fuck Yeah Capitalism! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta make that dolla, dolla bill ya'll.

  13. a fine point by BradMajors · · Score: 3

    She said they would remove the listing from their website. She did not say she would stop selling or even destroy such a list.

    1. Re:a fine point by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She said they would remove the listing from their website. She did not say she would stop selling or even destroy such a list.

      Whether you take those words at face value or not, one thing they haven't even tried to deny is that they sell lists of people with other medical conditions, like diabetes. It is spelled out right there in the article.

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    2. Re:a fine point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She should have also said that she would fire whoever was responsible for the list having been offered.

  14. Realize this by SuperCharlie · · Score: 1

    The question is never "Will they?". The question is always, "Can they?" And more to the point.. "Can they and still get away with it profitably?" So when you are puzzling over some abhorrent possibility, run it through that filter and you will invariably find your answer.

    1. Re:Realize this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The question is actually simpler:

      "What's the revenue?"
      "What's the risk of being caught?"
      "What's the cost of being caught?"

      If A>B*C it will be done.

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  15. Uh, why are you blaming us? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    isn't the 'boss class' to blame? Seriously, Western Civilization really does seem to revel in self flagellation. Like a rape victim blaming themselves, which is weirdly appropriate (ironic? I can't remember the actual meaning of that word though... )

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    1. Re:Uh, why are you blaming us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we allow them to get away with it. We're too chicken-shit to start any kind of revolution that would put these people back in their place because we like our X-Box, HBO, internet forums, doughnuts, and the rest of the pile of consumerism to stop them.
      We also let the politicians pretend that abortion, gay rights, marijuana legality, and such are more important than income inequality and naked political corruption. So we've failed at revolution, and we've failed at political engagement with the actual problems of our governments that have caused revolution to become a reasonable course of action here.

  16. Psst... wanna buy a list? by srussia · · Score: 1

    Yet again, making me wish I owned a gun, yet glad I don't, since I'd shoot these motherfuckers in a heartbeat.

    79 bucks gets you a gun catalog and a list of these Mofos.

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  17. Fucking Marketers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They rendered useless the words "new" and "special". Then they took "like" and "friend" and made them meaningless. Is there anything those bastards can't turn to shit? Anything? Nope, there isn't.

  18. "They" by careysb · · Score: 2

    Who are the "they" that are selling the list. Let's see names, addresses, phone numbers, family member names, etc..

    1. Re:"They" by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      I am sure you could buy such a list if you are willing to pay enough.

    2. Re:"They" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is the "they" that are selling the list. You'll need to get it out of google's cache now though before it's gone, because he apparently just deleted his linkedin page:

      http://www.linkedin.com/pub/samuel-j-tartamella-jr/5/920/747

      Here is where you go to buy lists of "datacards": http://www.medbase200.com/

      Everything on their web site is gone and has been replaced with an "updating" page. However, they cannot escape the wayback machine. Here are two tidbits that appeared on the very first page I looked at, which was the April 20th 2012 snapshot of their home page at http://web.archive.org/web/20120620120234/http://www.medbase200.com/

      "AARP Members Reach out to these cost-conscious seniors who welcome helpful and relevant offers in their mailboxes and inboxes. They have pre-specified interest in new medications, research findings on health issues, and matters that address their mobility issues and lifestyle restrictions. These are among the most health-conscious segments and are often covered by Medicare, Medicaid or other supplemental insurance plans."

      April 10, 2012
      Debut of Political Donor Cards
      A new political donor category of datacards is now available. Cards include the following lists of donors and supporters: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Registered Voters, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul.

  19. Data Integrity Irony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the current #1 and #2 slashdot article titles:

    - Neglect Causes Massive Loss of 'Irreplaceable' Research Data
    - Data Broker Medbase200 Sold Lists of Rape & Domestic Violence Victims

    Sooo... as humans, we lose data that's important to us to keep forever, and compromise and sell data that shouldn't have left the original custodian.

  20. simple solution by sribe · · Score: 1

    Let's just make sure he gets added to the list, then see how he feels about the subject!

  21. Tartamella on BlockShopper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://chicago.blockshopper.com/sales/cities/lake_forest/2006/Aug

    Not that impressive, if it is the CEOs? You'd have to pay me a lot more to be the CEO of a company peddling that kind of data.

  22. The NSA doesn't care about your everyday life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the NSA, the highly paid spies don't care about your boring everyday life. Their own life is more exciting. They want to kill terrorists, and maybe find enemy spies. As for big business, they want to know everything about you. Pfizer wants to know if you have ED. Hot Topic wants to know if you are a teenage goth. Ford wants to know if you have a masculine ego, even if you don't need to haul anything. Lexus wants to know if you have a high income. But, the NSA just does not care, so in a world loaded with Facebook, I don't care about the NSA.

    1. Re:The NSA doesn't care about your everyday life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lexus wants to find bad drivers to sell to.

  23. Ok, ok... by BringsApples · · Score: 0

    Ok, ok, so I have a bunch of children tied up in my basement, and I've been selling access to their assholes/vaginas for $50/hr. Fine, you busted me, I'll let them go. Aaaaand I walk away free.

    Now for my next business venture...

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    Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
    1. Re:Ok, ok... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      "Front of the line." Luther Laurence, "The Given Day"

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    2. Re:Ok, ok... by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      Gotta give me more than that. I googled it, found the book, but I don't get the reference (cannot sift through the whole book, sir).

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      Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
    3. Re:Ok, ok... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      (cannot sift through the whole book, sir).

      Ah, but you could.

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

  24. Re:a finer point by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    A pristine four.

    There are forces at work beyond my ken.

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    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  25. Data Wants to be -free- $80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Data Wants to be -free- - strike that, $80.
    If the data is stored somewhere, anywhere, it will become known. It is best to outlaw having that data at all, so it won't be released, leaked, accidentally without criminal charges resulting.

    1. Re:Data Wants to be -free- $80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it is information wants to be free ? data is not the same you know..

  26. Other position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cell-mate.

  27. Blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    me

    filler here, filler there etc. slashdot bitcoin etc.

  28. Peer Pressure Sufferers? by bjwest · · Score: 1

    That's a victimization term now? So 99.999% of the entire global population over the age of 3 are now classified as a victim.

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    --- Keep the choice with the user..
  29. Smells wrong by sjames · · Score: 1

    They claim that the list was a fake list used for testing, but even that suggests something wrong. Surely test data should be more harmless and fanciful to make sure it doesn't go live. A disease like monday blues or foot-in-mouth disease would be a better choice, surely.

    1. Re:Smells wrong by nbauman · · Score: 1

      People make mistakes. According to the New Scientist, a DP manager was creating a fund-raising letter for a charity's wealthy customers (the 1%?) and he set up a template letter with the salutation, "Dear Rich Bastard." It went out by mistake.

      Make sure you have a few safeguards in place to prevent things like that.

    2. Re:Smells wrong by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sure, people do. 'Dear Rich Bastard' is funny (at least until you accidentally send it to someone). Rape victim isn't.

  30. Thankyou libertarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't need no steenkin' regulations.

  31. Only legal/moral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no law that says that an executive has to ignore morals and ethics. Yet you and other people keep repeating this like it's a fact or a physical law of reality.

    It's not.

    If corporations are "fundamentally" amoral and will always cause these sorts of problems, we can modify what a corporation "is." If it is really going to come down to me and the rest of the humanists versus corporatists and the corporations, I'm going to kill every single last one of you or die trying.

  32. Staggering by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 1

    In Europe this data would definitly qualify as Private Personal data for data protection, these people need to launch a million dollar legal action for this compared to too hot coffee.

  33. good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the global elite. Don't worry, thanks to geography and luck, you don't even have to be good at math. Criminal lawyer Philadelphia

  34. good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone responsible for selling this info needs to be locked up for a good, long time, and the articles of incorporation should be immediately dissolved. Criminal lawyer in Philadelphia