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Prime Minister Wiretapped — Vast Corruption Upending Turkey's Government
cold fjord writes with an update on the political upheaval happening in Turkey "From the article: 'Dawn raids last Tuesday nabbed almost 60 people and implicated three government ministries, the directors of state banks, and some of Turkey's most powerful businessmen in a massive corruption probe spread across three different cases. Three members of Turkey's cabinet resigned on Christmas Day, and one called on Erdogan to follow suit as accusations of kickbacks, smuggling, and abuse of office continue to mount. The scandal has even acquired an international dimension as suspicions that Iran has been using Turkey's banks to shirk sanctions were further bolstered by the arrest of Reza Sarraf, an Iranian businessmen who is accused of bribing the Economic Minister while coordinating transactions from Iran worth $120 billion. The AKP is scrambling to defend itself by claiming the arrests are a result of a dastardly foreign conspiracy ... while police officials have been removed and reshuffled and special prosecutors appointed to a degree that makes Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre look like exemplary justice. The Turkish press continues to eagerly publish the latest colorful details that emerge from the probe, including police reports of $500,000 bribes administered in boxes of chocolate and news that Erdoan himself was being wiretapped as part of the investigation.' Erdogan has been urged to resign, three days ago Turkey banned journalists from entering police stations, and police are using tear gas on protesters."
News for nerds? - Nope.
Stuff that matters? - Nope.
Line starts here to bitch about story on front page.
That you eat?
And there is corruption there?
No way
police reports of $500,000 bribes administered in boxes of chocolate and news that Erdoan himself was being wiretapped as part of the investigation.'
That must be a big box to hide that many bills
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
One of the first steps to change the world should be to reeducate our police officers to make them recognize they're affected by all this shit too. A big part of the police and military training is aimed at dehumanizing and making robots out of people. But their brains are still there, you just have to reach them.
So some turkish banks were caught helping some unnamedIranian actors.
Then some members of the Turkish cabinet, bank manages and the prime minister himself have been forced or are about to resign, because ...
Some providential wiretaps show some wrongdoings.
Who ordered those wiretaps and when?
The truly bizarre aspect of this is that it involves aspects of a power struggle involving the Turkish PM and a Turkish Imam currently residing in the US.
Turkish imam Fethullah Gulen wields power from self-imposed exile
The more extreme Islamists in power are facing challenge from more moderate Muslims.
I hope it turns out well, or Turkey is in trouble. Erdogan has already managed to yank out many of the checks on the government that have long existed, as well as cozying up with Iran.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Of progress. st4rtling turn
i am shocked. shocked i tell you!
Sacred cows make the best burgers.
We've got story after story on Slashdot about intelligence agencies with people making claims that they must be doing it to politicians. Here is a case of a national leader being wiretapped, ...
Where in any of the links does this have anything to do with foreign (i.e. NSA) wiretapping? So what, local authorites are wiretapping.
The wiretapping was done by Turkish authorities to catch corruption in their own government.
It has nothing to do with the NSA other than a vague accusation of foreign conspiracy of some sorts in an attempt to deflect accusations.
So ANY wiretapping story is gonna be automatically considered an NSA story?
Clueless indeed.
Take a page from the US play book: Just fine their companies a fraction of the profit they made from it, tell everyone it was the "harshest penalties ever handed out" for such a conspiracy, and then reiterate their commitment to the "consumers" affected by the "isolated" case of fraud.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Fethullah Gulen has a huge following in Turkey. His disciples have invaded the police forces. They became buddies with Turkey PM to reach their anti-secularist agenda. They crippled the Turkish army using their pawn police and pawn judges.
The economy looks strong and religious zealots are praising the PM and this is getting to his head. He forgets that it is Fethullah that actually controls everything in Pennsylvania and he openly started fighting Fethullah by banning prep schools, which is the main source of fresh meat for Fethullah. (there must be other behind the scene issues, but we dont know them yet). That link is the Zaman newspaper, which is also owned by Fethullah
So now Fethullah/CIA is tired of PM's shit and they are unveiling what was already known for who knows how long. Interesting things are unfolding if you are Turkish.
Erdogan likes to blame things on others so much. During the huge country wide protests in May and June, he blamed it on foreign powers, interest lobbies, international media and his political rivals. Now he blames them all plus protesters. It isn't hard to guess why; his voters are comparably less educated and more prone to believe everything bad comes from "infidel seculars" and "infidel foreigners". This time he isn't completely wrong however. He has been crossing swords with Fethullah Gulen, leader of an international muslim community for some time. He had been supporting Erdogan even before his rise to power, and pulled lots of strings for his benefit. Now the tables have turned. Gulen has excessive control over government bodies, judicial system and the police organization. This is going to be bloody.
This is just a lame attempt to direct traffic to businessinsider, that mediocre "news" source edited by a guy that can't legally work in the securities industry ever again after being charged with fraud by the SEC.
When the evidence emerges of direct involvement and coordination by U.S. Dept. of Treasury and Justice and White House at the highest administrative levels for the $120 billion in cash transactions to Iran, Obama's Red Dawn will rise and the night of his Junta will be at hand.
When you're a pro, you just delegate the counterfeiting to "Zimbabwe" Ben Bernanke, or Janet "Weiss" Yellen.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
This means Turkey is becoming more westernized (meaning more like the USA). In the USA we had a sitting president (President Clinton) take bribes from the PRC (in the form of paper bags full of campaign contributions), and the only thing the media will focus on is a blow job. Seriously once we get turkey and all the other radical governments aligned with the western ideal of one world order, there will be no need for theses petty national squabbles. It will be one currency, and one government who will look after the best interest of its citizens in the most benevolent manner possible. By the most benevolent manner possible I mean the rights holders will make the vast majority of the surplus population its virtual slave.
Liberals believe man is helpless and needs to be supported by the benevolent elite. The elite only become elite by taking advantage of the poor. They also make most of their elite money by helping the poor. The Conservative believes only the individual will ever have his own best interest in mind while making decisions. The Democrats and Republicans both agree to take advantage of the poor, and stupid to further the interests of the rights holders who control the government (whether that be Disney, or the Peoples Republic of China).
In a just society there is a level of shame involved with taking bribes. (the former president of S. Korea killed himself when he was caught up in a bribery scandal). In the USA, and apparently Turkey (our new Western partner in the war on something) it is just business as usual. I guess the world borders really are rapidly disintegrating. We in the USA are just like Russia. We too believe in total control of the population, seperating kids from their parents for not supporting the agenda of the state. Yet there are still places in the world where western theocracy hasn't crept in. We need to bomb the fuck out of these places. Places such as Yemen. Only when the entire population of the world is enslaved (uggh i mean liberated) by one world government and it's corporate interests will the world truly be set free.
- This is a power struggle between an Imam who lives in a mansion in Pennsylvania vs. his servant.
- In the past week, 5 ministers resigned. That is almost %20 of the cabinet
- In the past two days, almost all the police chiefs in the country were suspended
- When district attorneys ordered police to arrest some key businessmen, police refused. Eventhough this is a constitutional offense and has a penalty of jailtime, no one is on trial
- A reshuffle is expected tonight or tomorrow. Definitely before weekend. The servant wants to pick up the pieces but the Imam is bent on destroying them
- These fractions were once united through their belief in Allah and were hell-bent on destroying the old regime which they claim was built by American servants and godless infidels
- No Muslim country in the area would interfere if these two fractions are to murder each other this very moment. Just like Assad is murdering his country and destroying history that dates before religion and no one does anything useful
List goes on and on and on. You wouldn't care and I can't blame you. Just know that these are not much different from any other crazy religious people in the world. Just like anywhere else in the world, there are some people in this country who are harming its future. The mistake is that they are ruling now. This too shall pass.
If it does not have something to do with Turkey supplying weapons and SARIN GAS ingredients to Syrian Insurgents...?! Syria is going, you know where, and now the ones entangled with recent Syrian Terrorist support, well... It's all just simple assumptions.
The wiretapping part is the news for nerds. The spying, bribes, corruption, illegal money transfers, police crackdowns and hoarde of politicians jumping ship is the stuff that matters. On slow news days you will read too much fluff. If you already have all that I described, it usually means that what you are looking at is the tip of the iceberg. And yeah, this stuff matters.
Peru in Portuguese, Dinde (d'Inde = "from India") in French. And my cultural background (Asterix) tells me that said India must have been America when they were thought to be the same land by the Western Europeans.
Well, there is a point to "the islamists are taking over". It is a power struggle between Erdogan's party, which has a bit of an islamist agenda, and the Gülen movement, which is an islamist movement, whose goals are unclear. Turkey has always had a "deep state", mainly secular, Atatürk-oriented, which has done some ghastly things. And now either islamist movement is interfering there. It's not racism. It might be bigoted, but racism?
BTW, Turks are not brown people, although a few do have unpronounceable names.
Actually, you would be surprised to know that the Gülen movement encourages inter-religious dialogue and is one of the most progressive Islamic schools when it comes to women's rights and dialogue with the West.
Well, at least I was surprised. Apparently, not all Islamic schools/movements are Islamist.
And the NSA thinks "Whew. Dodged that one!"
Ahem....well in case you haven't figured this out yet...
We are fast approaching a pivotal moment in this human history. We are all aware, government employs primarily people who are attracted with conquering, and destroying humanity. However, up until this point you could flee to far off lands, you could cut a kings head off and end his/her reign and the weapons that people who do like government had access to were simple cannon and pistol and later during WWII planes/missiles.
This means that regionally a continent or two would be completely destroyed, like for example Europe or Japan later with Atomic weapons.
Now, we face a large number of psychopaths world wide with weapons and technology to destroy the human race and totally enslave it with no place to run or hide.
How long will we dodge this bullet I wonder? Do we get another 5 years? Maybe another 10 years?
I don't think we have even 10 years before the human race will have to choose:
Live as slaves as equals, or face extinction.
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Stuff that matters? - Nope
Correction: What happened in Turkey should be an inspiration for all citizens of the United States of America.
The American government has grown so corrupted that even a broken website cost the American tax payers One fucking Billion Dollars ! ( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-02/obamacare-website-costs-top-1-billion )
When will we have FBI raiding the White House ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The islamists are taking over the asylum and they're a bit too close for my liking.
Islam is regarded as race now ?
What kind of fucking moron are you ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The islamists are taking over the asylum and they're a bit too close for my liking.
Ah yes, the thinly veiled racism
Islam is regarded as race now ?
What kind of fucking moron are you ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
"Live as slaves as equals, or face extinction." Missing a comma? Even with a comma "slaves, equals, extinction" don't seem to be a proper set of all probable cases of existance.
You're the one that needs to get out in the real (non-costal) US a bit more. I wish you were right, but the facts on the ground are that in most of the rural US, the state and the predominant Christian sect church are hand in hand and full lock step, even to the point of prayers opening county and city government meetings.