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Australian Icebreaker Tries To Get Through To Stranded Antarctic Research Ship

The shipload of researchers and tourists stuck in the Antarctic ice are still stuck. A Chinese icebreaker, the Xue Long, or Snow Dragon, has gotten tantalizingly close but was hampered by "unusually thick ice." Now, an Australian vessel, the Aurora Australis, will attempt to rescue the 74 people aboard the MV Akademik Shokalskiy.

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  1. Vague News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I love how the NYT and BBC reports on this story completely neglect to mention that the stuck ship is full of climate scientists out to gather global warming evidence. Just a complete oversight I'm sure. Also: consensus.

    1. Re:Vague News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25540040 ...
      Seventy-four scientists, tourists and crew are on the Shokalskiy. ...
      Despite being trapped, the scientists have continued their experiments, measuring temperature and salinity through cracks in the surrounding ice. ...
      The goal of the modern-day Australasian Antarctic Expedition is to repeat many of the original measurements and studies of the Mawson expedition to see how facets of the environment have changed over the past century. ...

      Completely neglected? Are we looking at the same BBC reports?

    2. Re:Vague News by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if we are totally uninteresting and irrelevant there's quite a few people from there reading this site and adding stuff while your part of the world is asleep. That's why.

    3. Re:Vague News by Megane · · Score: 2

      I guess with all the global warming conferences that happened during cold snaps, this just got too boringly regular and isn't news anymore.

      Hypothesis: global warming scientists attract cold weather. This clearly means we need more of them!

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  2. Re:Australian Icebreaker by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    Yea and Ice breaker should do one thing and do it well oh and be a file.

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  3. Aurora Australis by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Web cam for Aurora, hopefully will be on when they are getting close http://www.antarctica.gov.au/webcams/aurora '

    1. Re:Aurora Australis by XaXXon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was wondering why they only operate in the northern hemisphere.

      It's because it requires cold water to cool its reactor. Tropic water is apparently not cold enough, so it can't get to the southern hemisphere without exploderating. Or something.

  4. Re:Send the American icebreaker! by growingtedium · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I do wonder who is going to be paying for these rescue attempts.

  5. Copyrighted materials of the Church Of Warminetics by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Naturally, the appearance in the middle of the summer of ice so thick that the icebreakers of multiple polefaring nations cannot penetrate it is proof of anthropogenic warming. You criticize our teachings in any way, and we will beat you to death with our sacred hockey sticks in the East District of Texas. Meanwhile, our last hope is to send in Chuck Norris with a shipload of thermite.

  6. Re:I thought that... by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, of course: Because when the average temperature in December rises from -18 C to -16 C means that it's impossible for water to even consider freezing.

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  7. Re:Antarctica ... Ice by Freultwah · · Score: 2

    Risking a whoosh: South - penguins, North - polar bears. The northern ice extent has been receding dramatically over the past decades. Economically, it can be a boon, what with the Northern Sea Route and the Northwest Passage opening up, but the hapless animals will eventually have to suck it up and go extinct.

  8. How is ice forming in the summer? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am aware Antarctica is one of the coldest places on earth, yet when I lived 60 degrees away from the equator in Alaska it never got down to 7F (the degree in which salt water freezes) by summer. It would not even hit freezing until September or October?!This is not 90 degrees on the dead center of the geographic south pole or anything and is surrounded by water which moderates the climate.

    The ice should be rapidly melting?!

    1. Re:How is ice forming in the summer? by GumphMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      The ice-strengthened vessel is within 100nm of Dumont D'Urville with a typical December daytime temperature hovering around freezing (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDT60803/IDT60803.89642.shtml). This ice did not suddenly appear in clear water because it got cold, the ship was sailing through broken ice floes when weather conditions pushed the ice and the ship into tight formation. The water between the sheets froze and the rest, as they say, is history.

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    2. Re:How is ice forming in the summer? by Pav · · Score: 2

      The southern hemisphere is generally cooler. Take for instance the mediterranian climate. In the USA at the same latitude you have California with a roughly equivalent climate. In the south we have Tasmania for example which is significantly cooler.

    3. Re:How is ice forming in the summer? by CrankyFool · · Score: 3, Funny

      At that kind of distance, is it really even worth mentioning? If I'm 100 nanometers away from something, I don't say "I'm 100nm away from X," I say "I'm right next to X." Why don't they just disembark now?

  9. Re:Antarctica ... Ice by gargleblast · · Score: 2

    Risking a whoosh ...

    Relax. Comments as idiotic as AC's make a dull thud, not a whoosh.

    Hey AC: Want to hang out with like minded people giggling inanely until they wet themselves? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/29/saving-the-antarctic-scientists-er-media-er-activists-er-tourists-trapped-by-sea-ice/#more-100034.

  10. I hope by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hope they don't get eaten by the polar bears

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  11. engineering reality by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 2, Funny

    A boatload of CAGW scientists can't engineer their way out of the ice in the middle of the summer in the Academik. An extra half a million square miles of ice that's not supposed to be there. Stuck about 3500 miles south of Darwin. Awards all around.

  12. Vauge conclusions by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how the NYT and BBC reports on this story completely neglect to mention that the stuck ship is full of climate scientists out to gather global warming evidence.

    Just like you are vaguely hinting that locally colder than usual weather somehow is evidence that the climate is not changing. Do you have any conception of the difference between climate and weather?

    1. Re:Vauge conclusions by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But scientists have been equating ice levels with climate for decades.....

    2. Re:Vauge conclusions by dinog · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'll help you finish that thought :

      But scientists have been equating ice levels with climate for decades.....

      ... and the average ice levels have been falling dramatically in most locations over the long term.

    3. Re:Vauge conclusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And Gore told us scientists had proof the Arctic would be ice free by 2013.

      Lets tally the results so far:
      AGW correct predictions - 0
      AGW incorrect prediction - 1340

      Well, I'm going to use the scientific method and not listen to people who are ALWAYS wrong when they predict doom and gloom unless I am taxed more.

    4. Re:Vauge conclusions by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Remember, boys and girls: melting ice proves that the climate is warming up; freezing ice in midsummer, on the other hand, proves that the climate is warming up.

  13. Re: Send the American icebreaker! by BancBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    As regards US Maritime law, I can offer this -

    Copy and pasted from http://www.maritimeinjurylawyersblog.com/2013/02/rescues_at_sea_the_united_stat.html

    According to federal law, 45 USC Section 2304, the master of a vessel must aid anyone at sea who is in danger of losing their lives, as long as such rescue can be performed without serious threat to the master, the master’s vessel, and those on board. However, maritime law is in agreement with common law in that an individual, including a vessel master, has this statutory duty to assist those in peril at sea only when a certain relationship exists, such as carrier/passenger, vessel/seaman, and employer/employee; also, whoever has caused a danger at sea must aid any persons or property they have endangered. Further, whether because of an established relationship or as a Good Samaritan, if an individual attempts a rescue which results in further harm due to negligence, recklessness, or wantonness, he or she may be held liable for damages.

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  14. Two standard deviations more by jamesl · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Antarctic Sea Ice Extent is currently more than two standard deviations greater than the 1981 to 2010 average according to the NSIDC.
    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png

    Not what one would expect in a warming climate. Or maybe it is ... ex post.
    Antarctica Sea Ice Reaches Record High: Doesn't Refute Global Warming
    http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-high-doesnt-refute-global-warming/

    1. Re:Two standard deviations more by Maow · · Score: 2

      But I can't prove anthropogenic climate change with anything but a computer model... and I've made too many computer models in my day for that to be very convincing.

      Have you seen climate models, or do you just deny the ones that you don't like due to your standard of "truthiness"?

      Ars Technica covers climate models nicely: (see page 2)

      Steve Easterbrook, a professor of computer science at the University of Toronto, has been studying climate models for several years. “I'd done a lot of research in the past studying the development of commercial and open source software systems, including four years with NASA studying the verification and validation processes used on their spacecraft flight control software,” he told Ars.

      When Easterbrook started looking into the processes followed by climate modeling groups, he was surprised by what he found. “I expected to see a messy process, dominated by quick fixes and muddling through, as that's the typical practice in much small-scale scientific software. What I found instead was a community that takes very seriously the importance of rigorous testing, and which is already using most of the tools a modern software development company would use (version control, automated testing, bug tracking systems, a planned release cycle, etc.).”

      “I was blown away by the testing process that every proposed change to the model has to go through,” Easterbrook wrote. “Basically, each change is set up like a scientific experiment, with a hypothesis describing the expected improvement in the simulation results. The old and new versions of the code are then treated as the two experimental conditions. They are run on the same simulations, and the results are compared in detail to see if the hypothesis was correct. Only after convincing each other that the change really does offer an improvement is it accepted into the model baseline.”

    2. Re:Two standard deviations more by PortHaven · · Score: 2

      If climate models were accurate, their predictions would be accurate. All of the models have failed on their predictions. This means, they are inaccurate and are not accurately reflecting the real world model.

  15. Get to da choppa by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, anyone thought about rescuing them using helicopters? Rescue the people, worry about the ship later...

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  16. Re:I thought that... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dunno. The flappy headed environmentalists have been telling us for years(closer to decades) that there will be no ice in the arctic or antarctic. And the met centre in the UK went as far as to say a few years ago that "snow would be a thing of the past, and would only be read about in books." If there was a great fraud being perpetrated that people are cluing in on, then it would be the doom and gloom hoax of our lifetime.

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  17. Re:Antarctica ... Ice by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also why use ice area/volume as a standard of the global temperature?

    ..perhaps because for years we have been told that shrinking ice area/volume was a standard indicator of global warming.

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  18. Re:Send the American icebreaker! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think we need to pause and think about the what's really behind the story here:

    The Russians put our camera made by our German scientists and your film made by your German scientists into their satellite made by their German scientists.

    This rescue will end when the a US nuclear submarine pops up through the ice sheet, and a bunch of marines in snow gear jump out. But then a Russian airplane will toss out a bunch of paratroopers in snow gear will land.

    A suspenseful standoff is guaranteed . . .

    This stranded tourists and scientists story is just a cover for the public to hide what is really going on . . .

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  19. That Australian Ice Breaker ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    ... Aurora Australis hasn't been reporting its location since Christmas day.

    The latest reported location for that vessel was recorded at 2013-12-25 07:33:00 (UTC), while it was at the latitude/longitude of: -65.78115 / 109.8082, with speed and course of 13.8 kn / 4Â, according to http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:109.8082/centery:-65.78115/zoom:8/oldmmsi:503043000/olddate:lastknown

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  20. Re:Thanks for the links by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    And it's a metric shipload.

  21. Re:I thought that... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

    or antarctic

    No they did not. If that happens most of us are going to need really long snorkels. If you are going to suggest that others are lying it's best not to lie to do so - otherwise you come off as being dishonest.

  22. It has been thought of by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Seriously, anyone thought about rescuing them using helicopters?

    That has been thought of, and is being considered as the last resort.

    The Chinese ice breaker, the Xue Long (Ice Dragon) has a chopper on board, and the vessel is only some 7KM away from the Russian vessel.

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  23. Re:Antarctica ... Ice by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 2

    Yes Virginia - Polar Bears can swim and run on the ever thickening Ice!

    I'm sure they can
    But I'm also pretty sure they cant swim all the way to Antarctica .

  24. Re:Antarctica ... Ice by Loki_1929 · · Score: 2

    ... perhaps because for years deniers have been looking for observations that buck the trend.

    Strange, when I was a kid, we called looking for observations that counter a scientific theory "science".

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  25. Re:I thought that... by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    Except, I can prove Gravity and replicate its affect. And predict it with a reasonable amount of accuracy.

    None of which can be done with global warming.