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New Class of "Hypervelocity Stars" Discovered Escaping the Galaxy

Science_afficionado writes "Astronomers have discovered a surprising new class of 'hypervelocity stars' that are moving at more than a million miles per hour, fast enough to escape the gravitational grasp of the Milky Way galaxy. The 20 hyper stars are about the same size as the sun and, other than their extreme speed, have the same composition as the stars in the galactic disk. The big surprise is that they don't seem to come from the galaxy's center. The generally accepted mechanism for producing hypervelocity stars relies on the extreme gravitational field of the supermassive black hole that resides in the galaxy's core."

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  1. Maybe they're not stars.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're motherships :D

    1. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe those starts just didn't like the neighbourhood they were in and decided to move house.

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    2. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      A million miles per hour is not all that much.

      All the galaxies in our neighborhood are also rushing at a speed of nearly 1,000 kilometers per second (2,236.936 miles per hour) towards a structure called the Great Attractor, a region of space roughly 150 million light-years away.

      In addition, our solar system--Earth and all--whirls around the center of our galaxy at some 220 kilometers per second, or 490,000 miles per hour.

      The earth is moving toward the Constellation Leo at the dizzying speed of 390 kilometers per second. (872,405 miles per hour).

      Lots stuff going places fast.

      Now if you find an inhabitable planet orbiting one of these stars let me know. That would be the mothership of all motherships.

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    3. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by meerling · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not the Puppeteer Homefleet, they aren't flying in formation.

      (If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up author Larry Niven.)

    4. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      "1,000 kilometers per second (2,236.936 miles per hour)"

      Either kilometers are a lot shorter than I remember, or you got your periods and commas mixed up somewhere.

    5. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now if you find an inhabitable planet orbiting one of these stars let me know. That would be the mothership of all motherships.

      Or really bad luck. Leaving the galactic plane would pretty much assure your species would never branch out beyond your own solar system.

    6. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by icebike · · Score: 2

      Should have been all commas. Doh.
      At least for those of us on this side of the pond.

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    7. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Maybe they already did that.

      Like the GP suggested: Motherships.
      What better space ship can you conceive of than traveling with an entire solar system?
      Who knows how many worlds they might have seeded.

      Some seem to be passing by our neighborhood. Mom? Where are you going?

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    8. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      It was reminding me of the Fast Protosun. Of course, there's a big gap between 10^6 mph and 0.8c. Not to mention a number of other likely differences (not least because they would be spoilers).

    9. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      Everybody sing!

      Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
      And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
      That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
      A sun that is the source of all our power.
      The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
      Are moving at a million miles a day
      In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
      Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
      Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
      It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
      It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
      But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
      We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
      We go 'round every two hundred million years,
      And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
      In this amazing and expanding universe.

      The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
      In all of the directions it can whizz
      As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
      Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
      So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
      How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
      And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
      'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

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    10. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those are cool lyrics.. did you write that yourself?
      Don't be an Apple...

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    11. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Maow · · Score: 4, Informative

      A million miles per hour is not all that much.

      All the galaxies in our neighborhood are also rushing at a speed of nearly 1,000 kilometers per second (2,236.936 miles per hour) towards a structure called the Great Attractor, a region of space roughly 150 million light-years away.

      I think they're calling them fast based on the relative speed to the galaxy that they're being ejected from / passing though.

      Astrophysicists calculate that a star must get a million-plus mile-per-hour kick relative to the motion of the galaxy to reach escape velocity.

      The diagram in TFA seems to indicate that these stars are not originating inside the galaxy, which to me raises the question, from whence do they come?

      This image makes it appear the stars are mostly passing through the disk of the galaxy. I may be reading too much into the length of the coloured lines though.

    12. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Rotaluclac · · Score: 2

      Or really bad luck. Leaving the galactic plane would pretty much assure your species would never branch out beyond your own solar system.

      But the view of the Milky Way would be gorgeous!

    13. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They are likely wandering stars from another galaxy. Wasn't it estimated that we already had one galaxy pass through the Milky Way and sometime in the future we may pass through Andromeda?

      So perhaps there are three mechanisms for high speed stars;
      1) ejected by a super massive black hole.
      2) remnant of non-colliding stars from Galactic collisions (and actually, most stars don't hit each other in these situations).
      3) L3 advanced civilization finding that solar tourism is more fun if you can take all your stuff with you.

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    14. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      yea, but they are headed in the wrong direction, and are moving REALLY slow. If we saw stars moving around at a few percent the speed of light, then maybe. But a million miles per hour? That's 0.0014% the speed of light. Our closest neighbor is 25.8 trillion miles away. So it would take them nearly 3 thousand years just to get there. Not much of a mother ship.

    15. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by cusco · · Score: 1

      Who says that 70 years is the maximum average lifespan for sentient beings? We may be abnormally short-lived, and 3000 years might not be an unreasonable time for an explorer to spend on an epic voyage. Yeah, not really applicable here, but it's an objection that I always hear as to why interstellar flight is impossible.

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    16. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      We may be abnormally short-lived, and 3000 years might not be an unreasonable time for an explorer to spend on an epic voyage

      Yep, just ask the Dwellers. (Iain Banks)

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    17. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      My point is, if they have the power to move a star, they sure as hell have a faster/better way to get where they're going without the star.

    18. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Maritz · · Score: 2

      A few interesting thoughts on that idea here. Put a lampshade on your star basically.

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    19. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      yea, but they are headed in the wrong direction, and are moving REALLY slow. If we saw stars moving around at a few percent the speed of light, then maybe. But a million miles per hour? That's 0.0014% the speed of light. Our closest neighbor is 25.8 trillion miles away. So it would take them nearly 3 thousand years just to get there. Not much of a mother ship.

      3000 years wouldn't be much of a journey if you are taking your planet with you. For instance if we knew our sun was going
      to die in 5000 years and we wanted to relocate our planet to a new sun and we didn't want to be cramped in small spaceships
      or abandon our home then moving our solar system to a new solar system and then "swapping suns" would seem like a reasonable
      option assuming we had the capability of doing it. It also eliminates the need of having to find a suitable planet to teraform.

    20. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      Why not carry around with you a significant power source, that will last potentially billions of years? Sure there could be better or faster ways, but I'd think the star itself would be a precious asset while going out of galaxy!

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    21. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by billstewart · · Score: 1

      Catchy tune - we used to square dance to it :-)

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    22. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Should have been all commas. Doh.
      At least for those of us on this side of the pond.

      Well, for some of you on whichever side of whichever Pond you're on.

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    23. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      A million miles per hour is not all that much.

      For a sun-like star, that's around a diameter per hour.

      Hardly speedy.

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    24. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      the maximum average lifespan

      You need a "statistics grammar" filter before posting. I can work out what you probably mean, but what you've typed is incoherent.

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    25. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like a fusion power plant. A staple of science fiction, if not really technologically manageable at the moment.

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    26. Re:Maybe they're not stars.... by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      Well... Stars are fusion power plants

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  2. OMG! Marshall Applewhite! by retroworks · · Score: 1

    Heavens Gate was right all along! We missed the Mothership, guys!

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  3. Friederich Pohl was right all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    This is obviously 'Wan-to' up to his old tricks again.

  4. The Puppeteers Are Leaving! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They've spotted the explosion! Get in your General Products Hull and run for it! Our only salvation will be to find the Ringworld and move it out of the galaxy!

    1. Re:The Puppeteers Are Leaving! by rossdee · · Score: 2

      Moving the Ringworld is not the problem, getting the star to go along with it might be though.

    2. Re:The Puppeteers Are Leaving! by Eddi3 · · Score: 1

      You have clearly not read the books.

  5. Assuming ... by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Assuming the observation gets studied and confirmed, this is probably far more common than one might initially expect.

    The Milky Way has been on the move billions of years and occasionally meets up with star clusters or even dwarf galaxies.

    Many of them probably settle in gravitationally, but some of them aren't going to and continue, largely, about their merry way if the relative speeds are right.

    These stars could have been "acquired" 400 million years ago and it can take a long time to traverse a cross-segment of the Milky Way. And these stars would have to be smaller like our sun to have the right lifespan, and we wouldn't notice the really small ones (red dwarfs and such) because they would be hard to see so there is also a mix of observational factors in the equation.

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    1. Re:Assuming ... by bob_super · · Score: 2

      Beat me to the hypothesis. Just because a star is in the milky way doesn't mean that it was formed there. It may just be passing by, with its doors locked and hoping to look inconspicuous because it's got a similar composition as the local hot hooligans (how likely is that? that's not specified in TFS)

    2. Re:Assuming ... by TMB · · Score: 1

      Except that if the star was captured by the Milky Way, that already tells you that it was moving at less than the escape velocity, while these are moving faster than the escape velocity.

      Still, it would be interesting to see if they share orbital elements with known satellites or streams...

      [TMB]

    3. Re:Assuming ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TFA says that those stars appear to have the same composition as normal disk stars, so they cannot come from dwarf galaxies.

      Also, traversing the disk at 'hypervelocity' takes definitely less than 400 million years. Mind that our Sun takes just half that go around the disk at about half its diameter and at a regular velocity.

    4. Re:Assuming ... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      TFA says these were calculations done on the Sloan Digital Sky Survey data, which was released to the world in 2008 according to their homepage, so the actual observations are already "confirmed" in that sense. I'm assuming the current study released their calculations and methods so anyone can double check them.

  6. slingsot by deodiaus2 · · Score: 1

    Maybe two super-massive black holes passed close to each other and spun these off?

    1. Re:slingsot by tftp · · Score: 2

      Maybe two super-massive black holes passed close to each other and spun these off?

      Perhaps. But now instead of explaining why one common star is moving somewhere fast you need to explain why two uncommon black holes are moving somewhere fast, and on top of that why they nearly hit each other and some common star...

  7. Not the only supermassive black hole... by Rick+in+China · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looking at the trajectories, wouldn't it be a possibility that these stars didn't originate in our galaxy, but rather, could have been tourists flung out in a similar fashion from another supermassive black hole outside of our own galaxy? Just passing through on various trajectories, from potentially various other galaxies. Not much thought put into this - maybe the distance from the nearest supermassive black hole outside of our own galaxy makes this an impossibility, but seems the article doesn't go into any theories at all.

    1. Re:Not the only supermassive black hole... by jheath314 · · Score: 1

      It's possible, I suppose. The Andromeda galaxy is the closest large neighbor to the Milky Way, and it is 2.5 million light years away. At "more than a million miles per hour" (0.0015 c) a star would take only one or two billion years to make the trip across the intergalactic void... a long journey, to be sure, but doable within a stellar lifetime. However, because our galaxy occupies less than 1% of the sky as seen from Andromeda, the odds of randomly flung stars hitting our galaxy from that distance away seems pretty low.

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  8. Alien physics experiments by HalfFlat · · Score: 1

    They're just trying to see what they can get away with with a Newtonian approximation of gravity.

  9. This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Aren't all objects' movement (speed) based on another objects movement (speed)? I mean, how fast is the Milky Way moving, and in what direction? And could that star just be sitting idle-ish, and our galaxy zipping past it? Are these question answerable?

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    1. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Uecker · · Score: 5, Informative

      If one considers the rest frame of the microwave background as the rest frame of the universe, then yes, one can answer these questions.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

    2. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      You're missing the point. These are stars moving at at abnormal speeds and can't be explained by any phenomenon we have observed before.

    3. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by camperdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're missing the point. These are stars moving at at abnormal speeds and can't be explained by any phenomenon we have observed before.

      Every gravity simulation I've ever run has had a few objects flung off at high speed. It doesn't take a lot.

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    4. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Okay, then how much would it take to fling Miley Cyrus out of the galaxy at millions of miles per hour?

    5. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Metabolife · · Score: 3, Funny

      A wrecking ball.

    6. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are plenty of stars in the galaxy that would make our star look like a rock next to jupiter.

    7. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by KliX · · Score: 3, Informative

      'Relative' is the key. There is no fixed background to say 'This is going absolutely this fast', any observation point in any kind of motion is as viable as any other. It just falls out of a little bit of simple vector maths - so no, your question is not answerable, as it's malformed.

    8. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Uecker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Due to the Doppler effect, you see the frequency shift if you move relative to the microwave background, which would otherwise be (almost) the same blackbody radiation of temperature 2.725 K from all direction.

    9. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by idji · · Score: 3, Informative

      This speed is still very fast if it is taken relative to us or to the galactic center. The galaxy's speed relative to the cluster plays no role at these sizes and time scales. "sitting idle-ish and the galaxy zipping past" is the classic Relativity - it makes no difference - both are identical. In either case something caused that Star's velocity relative to us to by very different.

    10. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Katatsumuri · · Score: 2

      Exactly. See also my post above about 3-body chaotic gravity assist.

    11. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      I may be missing the point. You tell me at what "speed" the Milky Way is moving, and I'll figure the rest out by myself.

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    12. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think it theory you can use the fact that c is constant to prove your absolute speed. Imagine you send a single photon down both ends of a tube and measure where they meet. You know both photons have travelled at the same speed and so covered the same distance. Imagine your ship travels at 0.5c and the tube is 100cm, in the time it takes the photons to cover 50cm each your ship will have moved 25cm so they actually meet at 75/25cm not 50/50cm as you'd expect. Get a perfect 50/50cm in three axis and you will have proved that the relative speed between you and the photons is c and thus your absolute speed must be c - c = 0.

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    13. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there have been some tests, but has anyone conclusively found a "vector" to space? Currently, we use Universal Background Radiation -- allegedly this is the noise left over from the poorly named "Big Bang".

      The problem of Relativity is that either their is a universal time or all time is local -- and each object has a relative time displacement to each other. In the simple model of relativity, you have an observer, or someone leaves a planet at high speed and comes back and their clocks have accounted for less time than people who "stayed behind." But we don't really know if there is a "vector to space" in that the planet they leave may be traveling faster or "against" the motion of space, and the rocket is actually moving slower by traveling in a direction opposite to this.

      So a test for this would be to have perhaps 6 rockets move at the same rate of speed (as best as can be determined), in the absence of a gravity field (as best as can be found), and if they move at relativistic speeds and make a return to the same location -- there is either a vector that required more energy because they were moving in opposition to the background motion of space, or they have relatively the same time displacement and energy output.

      The results would not be trivial.

      I predict that while there is no real condition for an "outside observer" -- that space itself can have a vector -- that means it's not just a blank emptiness but actually a thing. Like Dark Matter -- but not. Dark Matter I think is a manifestation of "turbulence" in Space itself and suggests that gravity and mass have a frequency and indirect impact on space that we have yet to discern. To make this clearer -- if all the spacecraft are moving "in a block" of space time -- then they will not have a difference in relative energy output and time - acceleration alone accounts for "relativity". However, the are in a Solar System, Galaxy and Galactic Cluster that all move at the same time in different directions.

      The current theory of relativity SHOULD support different displacements for each rocket -- and thus a "zero motion" state can be deduced by factoring in the relativistic effects. However, I feel like Classic Relativity kind of breaks down in different vectors and each object has it's own "time". The oversight seems to be that many people are only using a few simple vectors when they think of relativity. But I imagine particles in a star bouncing around at nearly light speed -- they are moving from an object both at nearly light speed, and then hitting other objects at nearly light speed -- so relativity in that situation is spaghetti. Depending on the direction particles are both speeding up and slowing down relative to other particles. Space/Time is both stretched and compressed at the same location.

      The point is that even relativity is relative, and it has to mean we've got quite a few more dimensions involved in this 4 dimensional world we think we inhabit. Objects have to be moving in other vectors in other dimensions to resolve "normality" as far as we are concerned.

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    14. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      But why is the background radiation ALREADY Doppler shifted? In other words; our solar system and galaxy are moving at a high rate of speed already -- so there should already be a Doppler effect.

      So is there a "relativistic lens" of the space we are in that normalizes the shift we see?

      I get that we see a Doppler shift if we quickly moving in a given vector -- I'm just curious why we don't see more effects from the vectors we are already moving in. It suggests that space is a "thing" and in many cases, it is moving us -- as though it has a current.

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    15. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by fatphil · · Score: 2

      I recommenda 4th/5th-order Runge-Kutta extrapolation. It's so stable, I managed to model satelites which would move a quarter of an orbit per time step and not fly off to infinity. Simple 1st/2nd order extrapolation doesn't cut it - you'll end up with two things exceptionally close one tick, and then zipping away unimaginably quickly the next tick.

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    16. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      But why is[n't] the background radiation ALREADY Doppler shifted?

      It is already Doppler shifted, and the GP either knows too well what he's talking about and simplified it into something unrecognizable, or simply has no idea at all.

      In theory, you can calculate a "universal" rest frame from the background radiation if the Universe is planar enough. I have no idea if this is actualy the case.

    17. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by HiThere · · Score: 1

      IIUC, it doesn't really seem to be planar enough. Perhaps, though, the "axis of evil" is some systematic error.

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    18. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There is no universal time or space frame of reference; there are merely frames of reference that are convenient to use. For some purposes, using the CMB is quite handy.

      In the rocket experiment, the difference in experienced time beween rocket and Earth has nothing to do with any absolute reference frame, but rather that the rocket changes reference frames and Earth doesn't. This is experienced as acceleration. For purposes of Special Relativity, if you feel no acceleration you're staying in the same reference frame. The key idea here is "leaves a planet at high speed and comes back": it's the transition between the "leaves" and the "comes back" that creates the change. You can do the math from any reference point you like, but the easiest is the one in which Earth is stationary. Once you understand this, the six-rocket experiment is trivial. (There are effects in General Relativity that make this more complicated, but these are understood and have been tested in various ways.)

      The effects of matter and gravity on space are covered by General Relativity, and AFAIK are not controversial. They are a whole lot harder to understand than Special Relativity.

      And, yes, every object has its own time, and this is part of Special Relativity (if that's what you mean by "Classic Relativity"). Indeed, the first thing you need to unlearn to understand S.R. is the idea "simultaneous", since thinking of two events happening at the same time but distant in space is going to trip you up in all sorts of ways. Particles traveling at nearly light-speed relative to each other are just like particles traveling slowly relative to each other, except that the numbers are different (and there are effects that show up much more clearly at high relative speeds than low, but that's a measurement issue).

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    19. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You're actually fairly close to the Michelson-Morley experiment there, although they were measuring speeds at right angles. The answer is that, given no acceleration, the photons will meet in the middle no matter how the ship moves relative to anything. The failure of Michelson and Morley to find any difference in observed speeds was considered very odd at the time, and led to relativity.

      The speed of light in vacuum is the same under all conditions. Once you accept this, and ditch concepts like "at the same time", you can derive all of Special Relativity.

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    20. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      And as a second tough, it would also be a quite local "universal" referential. Probably bigger than a galaxy, but not an overall constant.

    21. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by Uecker · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is already doppler shifted because we are moving relative to it. That is why you see a large dipole in images of the background radiation (google: CMB dipole). It has been removed in many images to show the absolute values.

      I am not sure what you mean by "relativistic lens" and "current". Something like a wrap drive we local areas of space carry stuff around? While there are such solutions of general relativity, that is not how our universe looks. It is described by a FLTW metric, which means that it is very simply and homogenous on a large scale. Everything expands slowly and it is possible to have global coordinate system based on the CMB (a rest frame with expanding coordinates).

    22. Re:This makes me think more about the word "Speed" by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Maybe I have misinterpreted the question. The speed of light is absolute. We can measure exactly how fast we are in motion in this universe. At least that is what I was taught in high school fifty years ago.

  10. Re:There goes the Big Bang Theory by Scarletdown · · Score: 5, Funny

    I never believed in it, anyway.

    You probably don't believe in Monk, Night Court, or All In the Family either.

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  11. Re:it's not the star that is moving it's the space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    space is not limited by the speed of light. What is the matter with you people?

    Nothing is limited by the speed of light. The galactic constant is a phenomenon, not a limiting force.

  12. I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    the radio waves with Fox News started reaching them.

  13. Astronomers get a clue by die+standing · · Score: 1

    those aren't stars escaping the galaxy... those are golf balls being hit by people that watched those 8 free HD golf lesson videos to learn that weird golf trick to add an extra 20 yards.

  14. We know what this is. by koan · · Score: 1

    Puppeteer planets escaping.

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  15. Next assignment by symbolset · · Score: 2

    From the ratio of stars being ejected, get the average rate of galaxy evaporation. Calculate backward to compute original mass of the milky way.

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  16. It's obvious by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    These stars were ejected by the polar vortex.

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  17. What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1, Troll

    Maybe those starts just didn't like the neighbourhood they were in and decided to move house

    TFA only says that the stars are travelling at a speed high enough that they can escape the pull of the galaxy, but doesn't give any explanation of WHAT is pushing or pulling the stars.

    From TFA:

    "The generally accepted mechanism for producing hypervelocity stars relies on the extreme gravitational field of the supermassive black hole that resides in the galaxy's core"

    If it's the "supermassive black hole in the Galaxy core" that's doing the pulling, the stars should have travelling towards the core.

    But they are travelling instead away from the core !

    Instead of a "pull", it is as if there's something that's "PUSHING" them instead, and I do not think it's the supermassive blackhole (whose expertise is on the pulling part).

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    1. Re:What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by znanue · · Score: 4, Informative

      Due to inertia, the stars would continue to travel at their current speeds if nothing were pushing and pulling on them. As it is, whatever gravitational forces are acting upon them at the moment might be comparatively insignificant to their current inertia.

      So how did they get their current inertia? They might have gotten it from the supermassive black hole at the galaxy's core without setting their vector towards the core. They could do so possibly using a gravity slingshot effect. So it is surprising they're not coming from the core, as the article states. So what is interesting about these stars is they don't seem to be explained by the slingshot effect.

      Further, gravity is a force of attraction and so does no pushing.

      Also, I did a knapkin calculation of the speeds involved and it would be 1/700th the speed of light except the article says that this speed is relative to the movement of the galaxy and not an absolute speed like the slashdot summary intimates.

    2. Re:What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no such thing as "absolute speed"; all movement is relative to other objects in the universe.

    3. Re:What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      They travel towards it on a trajectory that takes them close to, but not lethally close to, the black hole. They gain so much velocity that they continue out never to return again. If ISON (the comet) had not burned up, the sun would have done the same thing to it.

      It's the same general idea as the gravity assist maneuvers that are usually required to send probes to the outer solar system in a reasonable time frame.

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    4. Re:What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      That's right, you can do that, but we don't have an origin for the universe, so we keep setting our origin points for some arbitrary point, like the centre of Sol or the centre of the Milky Way galaxy. Which is another way of saying it's a relative reference point.

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    5. Re:What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      They travel towards it on a trajectory that takes them close to, but not lethally close to, the black hole. They gain so much velocity that they continue out never to return again.

      Close, but no cigar.

      You need three bodies to interact : a massive central body ("primary") and two "light" (relatively small, but not zero mass) "secondary" objects. All three orbit around their mutual barycentre ("centre of gravity", but it moves as the positions of the three objects change in relation to each other) and the two lighter particles are generally approaching the primary rapidly, while closely orbiting each other. Near peri-primary, one of the secondaries is captured by the primary, but transfers it's momentum to the other secondary. This gives the remaining secondary a velocity which can exceed the escape velocity of the original system.

      That's a non-mathematical description ; you really need to do the maths. There are software simulators for gravitating systems that can demonstrate this, but TBH I've not looked for one since I got rid of my Win3.11 system.

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    6. Re:What's pulling/pushing the stars ? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks for that. We can keep the cigar for next time. ;)

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  18. Could just be gravitational sling-shotting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd think an N-body problem with 300 billion stars would almost inevitably produce a few stars that just by chance get a sufficient number of gravitational slingshots from other stars that they get up to escape velocity...

  19. Re:interesting by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nah, I'm not speculating on where they got their energy at all.

    Just pointing out that "million miles per hour" is not unusual in this universe, and therefore escape velocity is not that hard to achieve.
    All it would take is galaxies spinning at different angles passing each other to spit off a few stars from the fringe edge. In fact the edge is probably ragged precisely because stars are occasionally spun off, like the outside skater roller derby.

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  20. Re:Evidence of Intelligent Life by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    It's evidence Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked them out of HIS galaxy.

  21. Those aren't stars... by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

    Those are spaceships!

  22. Somebody stop them! by locopuyo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Somebody stop them!

    1. Re:Somebody stop them! by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      I stand for the freedom of those stars to choose a neighborhood.

  23. Questions for people that could do the math by istartedi · · Score: 1

    What would happen if one of these beasts passed near the Solar system. For "near" consider the following scenarios: 1. Oort cloud. 2. Kuiper belt (I don't recall which one is closer and I'm too lazy to google it). 3. Just outside the orbit of Neptune. 4. Collision with Jupiter. 5. A passage inside the orbit of Mercury, no planetary collision or collision with Sol.

    Finally, assuming none of these scenarios killed us by disruption the relationship between the Earth and Sun or flinging large bodies at us, how practical would it be to use a gravitational slingshot to launch a probe at high velocities?

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  24. 3-body chaotic gravity assist by Katatsumuri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the theories for the origin of these hypervelocity stars is 3-body chaotic gravity assist. When two bodies are entering a gravity assist trajectory around a third, very massive body, their interactions sometimes add up in such a way that one body falls into a tight orbit, and another is ejected at a hypervelocity. Given the number of ternary star systems in the galaxy, this looks like a plausible explanation.

    There is even a paper suggesting we could build an interstellar starship from two asteroids (PDF, 10 pages) using this mechanism. It was written by Josef L Breeden and presented at the 100 Year Starship conference.

  25. Re:Relocating by Prof.PatPending · · Score: 1

    Maybe the "UFOs" we've been seeing for the last couple of centuries are scout craft for these star systems, making sure there's no civilizations along their path that could cause trouble.

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  26. Re:interesting by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    All it would take is galaxies spinning at different angles passing each other to spit off a few stars from the fringe edge.

    Isn't it known whether galaxies are close enough for that to be a factor? TFA doesn't say "and it's right next to the closest galaxy, so that's probably the reason." Furthermore, galaxies are mostly empty space, so it seems like how individual stars would interact to spin each other out would still be an interesting observation problem.

  27. Re:The point by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    Why should their gender be relevant?

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  28. Re:interesting by Maritz · · Score: 1

    In general, far as I can tell, galaxies don't really 'pass' each other. Big ones gobble up small ones as the Milky Way has undoubtedly done to many dwarf galaxies in the area. Big ones merge with other big ones, as we shall do with Andromeda in a couple of billion years. Those interactions will definitely send some stars hurtling through intergalactic space, but we won't have a disk galaxy after that. Sadly more of an amorphous blob.

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  29. Paul Glister blogged about this today by Maritz · · Score: 1

    His take on such matters is generally well informed and interesting.

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  30. How it would feel living in that solar system? by satuon · · Score: 1

    I wonder how it would have felt for humanity if Earth happened to orbit such a star, and we knew that every moment we were going farther and farther from the galaxy.

  31. Re:interesting by icebike · · Score: 1

    In general, far as I can tell, galaxies don't really 'pass' each other. Big ones gobble up small ones as the Milky Way has undoubtedly done to many dwarf galaxies in the area. Big ones merge with other big ones, as we shall do with Andromeda in a couple of billion years. Those interactions will definitely send some stars hurtling through intergalactic space, but we won't have a disk galaxy after that. Sadly more of an amorphous blob.

    I'm not prepared to argue that point, although I've seen some reference in passing to galaxies passing right through other galaxies.

    But I'm not sure it matters, because any interaction between galaxies, might leave remnants of one traveling at odd angles
    and speeds within the other. I write code for a living, and therefore, I'm totally guessing here.

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  32. Re:interesting by icebike · · Score: 1

    Oh, I also found some info about random non-galaxy stars that theoretically might be "picked up" by a galaxy.

    http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question29.html
    http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q2486.html

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  33. I'm no astrophysicist, but by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    I have read quite a bit about science that interests me and one of the subjects was "the ultimate fate of the universe". One detail that stuck out was that all galaxies evaporate given enough time. Even with a small rate of evaporation (say, an average of 10 billion years for any given star), our galaxy has 300 billion stars, so you're bound to see a few flying away "naturally" at any point time.

    If they really wanted to know how these particular stars got boosted without going through the galactic center, they'd take a look at one of the already-done-to-death simulations.

    Hell, I betcha someone could scale down one of these simulations, post it as a crappy javascript app and say "hey look here's how it happens!", and not even need the chops to describe it analytically.

  34. Re:interesting by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Oh no worries, I'm quite prepared to accept that it's something that happens - the Universe always seems to find an exception to any rule of thumb we can come up with..! And no doubt when interactions involve billions of stars there's always going to be an outlier group in which something different or strange is going on. My only point was that generally these interactions involve merging, simply as a consequence of gravity always being attractive. For the record I'm also not an expert in this (network eng). :)

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