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Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks the Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car
An anonymous reader sends this report from Business Insider:
"[Ford VP Jim Farley] was trying to describe how much data Ford has on its customers, and illustrate the fact that the company uses very little of it in order to avoid raising privacy concerns: 'We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you're doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing. By the way, we don't supply that data to anyone,' he told attendees. Rather, he said, he imagined a day when the data might be used anonymously and in aggregate to help other marketers with traffic related problems. Suppose a stadium is holding an event; knowing how much traffic is making its way toward the arena might help the venue change its parking lot resources accordingly, he said."
Farley later realized how his statement sounded, and added, "We do not track our customers in their cars without their approval or consent."
Farley later realized how his statement sounded, and added, "We do not track our customers in their cars without their approval or consent."
Approval or consent, English-American, verb: To use. To accept the licensing terms. To look at. To think about.
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I guess that's one way of getting yourself fired.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
What I want to know is, Why does Ford need this data? I understand why people would have a GPS in their car, and why a recording of their actions might be stored on the car (although even more than a short history should be easily erased), but why doesn't this information need to be transmitted back to the car company at all? I bet most people, when asked about whether or not they want a GPS system are not told that the GPS will send information back to the manufacturer about their every movement.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Don't buy ford.
I, an active professor and research scientist, drive a 1982 Dodge Ram Pickup. No tracking, no disconnect, easy to work on engine. I will keep this baby going for the rest of my life, and no company will be tracking my whereabouts. (So long as I remember to turn off my cell phone, which I usually do.)
I am the penguin that codes in the night.
As a consumer, why would this entice me to purchase a car from Ford?
Meaning it's listed somewhere in the bill of sale. "Well you bought the car, didn't you? There's your consent"
If Ford knows people are committing crimes, aren't they legally required to report it, otherwise they become an accessory..?
MABASPLOOM!
So, if Ford gets a court order requiring the tracking of someone, or some class of someones, they will disobey it?
Sure. And all Fords get 1000 miles per gallon, too.
Look for the scenes in new mob movies where part of the initiation into the mafia is taking the GPS out of your car.
Of course they don't track the customer. What they track is the vehicle,,, and the vehicle has no rights.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
The first thing I'll be doing is hunting around with ball-peen hammer for the GPS module.
The end.
Not if you have a spouse. [Annoyed grunt] They really don't care for principled economic losses (in this case, resale value). Ignorance-based losses (like not changing the oil) they're cool with. Principle, no.
I am not a crackpot.
completely failing to mention the compromise in freedom.
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The solution will never happen. There is only two ways it'll happen:
1. Boards stop that horseshit but they won't. They'll take care of their buddies and BS the shareholders by saying "We NEED to offer those compensation packages in order to get the best talent." And we all know that CEO talent has very little to do with business performance - although, the runup of Yahoo! because Meyer being hired - and no improvement in company fundamentals - showed the stupidity of Wall Street.
2. Regulation - which won't happen because the majority of Americans are under the delusion that all they have to do is work harder and they can one day be in that position and therefore; any laws in that regard will hurt them down the line. And also, the propaganda about "Socialism" and what have you from the business/money'ed class' mouthpieces in the media.
Suppose a stadium is holding an event; knowing how much traffic is making its way toward the arena might help the venue change its parking lot resources accordingly, he said.
... or you could just count the number of tickets sold.
Bullshit. The financing companies, even those owned by the auto manufacturers, aren't savvy enough to get that kind of information from the manufacturer, and the repo companies generally aren't savvy enough to use that information even if it were passed on to them. They'd have to be able to do this in real-time for it to be any good over current methods.
Towing companies get the home and work addresses of the defaulted borrower, and possibly the addresses of family members, and go look for the car at those locations. They don't concern themselves with getting every single car, and they don't go after vehicles that are stored under lock and key unless there's a compelling reason to bring law enforcement with them.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
One reason car companies collect this data is to steal the car back from you (repossess it) in the event of non-payment. The GPS tracking is often turned over to the Repo operators when they need to go steal your car back.
True. And it works because of the incredibly low level of understanding about modern technology. Anyone with a wire cutter, soldering iron, and a few long runs of wire can thoroughly disable such a system. It's usually just a box wired directly to the battery and has a relay in series with the ignition. Cut the power leads and solder a wire to bridge the relay and you're done. Total time: 10 minutes. For bonus points, buy a deep cycle marine battery, a 50 gallon drum, and throw the result inside then seal it up and drop it off in the nearest river. It'll happily chirp it's location as it floats nine states away and off into the ocean.
But then, I was feeling really bitchy when I helped a friend do this...
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How about accidental damage to the GPS unit as I am changing the oil?
Why do I need to rely on signs in this day and age? Why doesn't my car display the speed limit wherever I am? Its frustrating to be in an industrial area and find that you are speeding because the limit dropped to 25 for no reason.
Those bubbles you see around you are not soap bubbles.
Instead of building additional lanes, it may make sense to start charging truckers their fair share for the damage trucks do to our roads. This would move more freight to rail where it does less damage and creates less traffic congestion, while generating more revenue to pay for the roads and allow gas taxes to be lowered.
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