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dptalia writes "I'm part of a team tasked with re-imagining my local elementary school's library. Libraries, especially school libraries, are struggling to remain relevant in today's world, when so much reading and research can be done from home. But this school has mostly low-income students who don't have the sort of high-tech resources at home that we all take for granted. What ideas do you have to turn an elementary school library into an environment that fosters innovation and technology?"

231 comments

  1. more than books by schneidafunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lend out tools, toys, computers, and other things. The grand idea should be for people to learn for free.

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    1. Re:more than books by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Lend out tools, toys, computers, and other things. The grand idea should be for people to learn for free.

      "Hi, I'd like to check out a car, so I can learn how to drive."

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    2. Re:more than books by sneakyimp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Cheap desktop computers running free operating systems. You can install Ubuntu or some other *nix distro free on pretty much any old used computer.

      WiFi access. I would imagine that your internet bill will likely be your biggest long-term expense. You can get some pretty awesome consumer routers, install DD-WRT on them or tomato USB or whatever) and get some pretty fancy functionality. I've been eyeing this one.

      And maybe the most affordable ebook readers or tablets for checkout. You might get a sponsorship from Google or Amazon -- they are all too anxious to rope people into their ebook ecosystems. I would try to avoid these book ecosystems for cost reasons. You can also get all kinds of amazing old books through project gutenberg. Maybe OLPC would have a suitable device?

      You might also keep some physical books of historical interest or perhaps large maps or other visually oriented works that resist digitization.

    3. Re:more than books by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Lend out tools, toys, computers, and other things. The grand idea should be for people to learn for free.

      Watch this: http://blog.ted.com/2008/03/18...

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    4. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi. I'd like to check out yo mama, so I can learn the finer points of the Kama Sutra.

      Fail.

    5. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Library => Hackerspace with lots of reference materials is a transition that just makes sense to me ...

    6. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lend out tools, toys, computers, and other things. The grand idea should be for people to learn for free.

      Would that be something like: NoiseBridge?

    7. Re:more than books by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      It isn't the library's job to foster innovation and technology. That's a good thing to do but it's not what the library is for. The library's job is to make knowledge and culture accessible to its patrons. Play at being an innovation center and you'll surrender the library's task to the Internet.

      So, here's an easy one: stock some of the popular Japanese graphic novels. If the shelf space in Barnes & Noble is to be believed, the kids *want* these. But stock the ones in Japanese, maybe including the English translation, maybe not. And buy the Rosetta Stone software for Japanese and install it on one of the library computers so that any kid who wants to learn to read the novels...

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    8. Re:more than books by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      Lend out tools, toys, computers, and other things.

      And musical instruments, seeds, cake pans, 3D printers, and slide/negative scanners. And make heavy use of the inter-library loan system to increase the number of titles available and/or reduce the physical size of your library.

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    9. Re:more than books by icebike · · Score: 1

      Agreed about the computers.

      But WIFI access for "low-income students who don't have the sort of high-tech resources" isn't likely to be all that
      helpful since they don't have the tech gadgets. (Although wifi is probably cheaper than wiring the building).

      There was a story just a few days ago about a library lending ereaders instead of books:
      http://news.slashdot.org/story...
      but that will probably require grant money for ebooks and readers.

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    10. Re:more than books by sneakyimp · · Score: 2

      I like the idea of lending e-readers in *addition* to books. XO Tablet is $125. Comparable to the cost of 10-20 midrange books, but it does provide free access to the 40,000 books on Project Gutenberg. My thinking was mostly that WiFi deployment is cheaper than a) routing ethernet cables everywhere and b) making desktop space for everyone with a device. Books would also require grant money.

      The trick in my opinion is to get access to a cheap device that is not locked to any particular content ecosystem.

    11. Re:more than books by thsths · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. Look at a good university library: team working spaces, PC terminals, on demand printing, quiet reading areas, cafes, PC clinics... the books are still there, but they are usually in the basement.

      In a school this may not all be possible. But books are no longer the key of a library, and it needs to offer more variety.

    12. Re:more than books by sneakyimp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think an underrated component of libraries is the librarians. I think I'm imagining a modern library as more than just a place for the public to connect to information. It's a place where the public can go to learn about something and get help in finding the information. Sometimes having access to the internet just isn't enough. You need to find a *person* who has specific expertise.

    13. Re:more than books by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'd like to check out buckingham palace so that I can learn how to live like a king. Oh yes, and I'll borrow that private jet, and can I have some change for fuel please?

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    14. Re:more than books by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Interesting

      here's what worked in our low income elementary school libraries: 1. allow children to stay there until after 6PM when a parent could pick them up. this ONE thing was the most popular, and might be extended to 7PM. 2. allow 7AM entry, too. this was hit-and-miss, but where it hit, it was a BIG hit. both the above need a minimum of 3 PAID adult (over 25) supervisors. this is in addition to the actual librarian. 3. then, just stay out of their way. they'll let you know the next direction. in other words: don't guess and hope for change.

    15. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is wrong with using books for learning and research? Studies have shown a clear link between reading on a screen and poor memory retention. Read a physical book, learn something, and remember it for longer than the time it takes for a tweet to arrive and be read.

    16. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are really purposing we shut the library and open a day care?

    17. Re: more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this a liberal library. day care is for poor people.

    18. Re:more than books by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      I think an underrated component of libraries is the librarians. I think I'm imagining a modern library as more than just a place for the public to connect to information. It's a place where the public can go to learn about something and get help in finding the information. Sometimes having access to the internet just isn't enough. You need to find a *person* who has specific expertise.

      Librarians are becoming irrelevant just as hard copy books are. If you have internet access, Google is a far more valuable resource than a Librarian even if they are the master of their domain and know every single book in the building.

    19. Re:more than books by as.kdjrfh+sxcjvs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google is only useful after you have learned something about how to search. School librarians are good at teaching people how to search. Helping students learn how to use any index, including Google -- and judge the results they get -- is a superb goal for a school library.

    20. Re:more than books by as.kdjrfh+sxcjvs · · Score: 2

      If the kids get comfortable reading, their chances at innovation and invention go up. If they hang out in a library, the chances of good reading in front of them go up. Nice plan.

    21. Re:more than books by sneakyimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are mistaken. Google is great of course, but it's only a tool. I've searched for obscure things on google for weeks without any luck at all. I made a call to some librarians at an ivy league university and they found definitive information and got back to me in a couple of days. There is value in someone who specializes in the process of locating high-quality information like primary sources of authoritative works on a subject.

    22. Re:more than books by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

      I don't know how this works elsewhere, but at least here the driving instructors have their own cars which they essentially lend to you during the lessions for a fee (afaik even required by law because they have pedals on the passenger side).

    23. Re:more than books by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Librarians are becoming irrelevant because we have lost the knowledge of what a Librarian is. I have heard rumors that they once could help you find just about any piece of knowledge in the library. In practice, at 42, all I have ever seen them as is stock boys like you would find working the night shift at a grocery store, and sound police.

      It seems that Librarians are a vastly under used resource, and most people don't know that they are trained professionals with an agenda beyond keeping the room quite and stocking shelves.

    24. Re:more than books by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      So you are really purposing we shut the library and open a day care?

      Only if you want the kids to learn anything.

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    25. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not clear to me why you think it isn't a good idea for the library to have books.

      Many books read by elementary school children have things called 'pictures', often in color. For this reason and others, many children's books aren't digitized or offer a poor digital experience. The 'long tail' of children's books, including lots of great books which were not published recently, is not available for e-reader. Since children's literature has exploded since the 1940's and 50's, the vast majority of children's books are not available on Project Gutenberg.

      A library for children is a great use case for paper books. Children can share books, read large books together, take books home without limitations or fear of (too much) theft or damage. They can hang on to books for as long as they like. They can learn to take care of books, but at the same time if they throw a book across the room (as kids sometimes do) it's a matter of being told off, not their parents being invoiced a three-figure sum. When they write stories and draw pictures they can make books with construction paper which come close to the 'real' books they see every day. For the price of enough e-readers that each child can borrow one once a week (elementary school children are usually encouraged to read every night with their parents or alone), you can literally get more books than the children will be able to read.

      Furthermore, any fool can figure out how to read a book on an e-reader in 30 seconds - there is no 'technological literacy' to be gained from giving kids e-readers.

      E-readers might make sense for technologically literate, well-off adults who read a lot of recent books, consult reference works, don't look at many picture books, and get a lot of information online. That doesn't mean that paper books are obsolete.

    26. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You understand what an elementary school is right?

    27. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that back in the 80's there was the option of going to the school cafeteria or the library before school hours. The library won hands down. I mean, after eating breakfast, a cafeteria tends to lose its appeal.

    28. Re:more than books by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Books offer something different to what the internet does too, and libraries should run a campaign to help people understand that. Most of the web is barely edited, barely checked, and often has partial information that needs to be put together to form an understanding of the whole. Books are planned and more or less complete references.

      Both have their place but you don't get the equivalent of K&R or The Art of Electronics online.

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    29. Re:more than books by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      It's an ice-breaker. The kids who are stuck there will almost inevitably read something. (Or flatten their phones.)

      When I was a li'l 'un, my elementary school had a "religious instruction" class every Thursday afternoon for a year (which consistent of Catholic and two brands of Prots.) Not having religious parents, I was spared it, instead I was sent to the library every Thursday (as a warning to others, perhaps.) In the course of one year I went from Dr Seuss through mystery books, to adventure, then the entire stock of classic-era SF...

      ...Then I discovered the library had a whole other side.

      [Plus, more seriously, it gives certain kids a quiet space to study and work, something they might not have at home with an overstressed single-parent and multiple siblings, and the distraction of electronic baby-sitters. It may make a huge difference in their academic results, which may cascade all the way through to their college potential.]

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    30. Re:more than books by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of lending e-readers in *addition* to books. XO Tablet is $125. Comparable to the cost of 10-20 midrange books, but it does provide free access to the 40,000 books on Project Gutenberg. My thinking was mostly that WiFi deployment is cheaper than a) routing ethernet cables everywhere and b) making desktop space for everyone with a device. Books would also require grant money.

      The trick in my opinion is to get access to a cheap device that is not locked to any particular content ecosystem.

      There are much cheaper readers than that. For example, the low-end Nook units. And, unless they've removed functionality, it's quite easy to get content in a variety of formats into them. The standard Nook format is epub, which is available direct from Gutenberg.

      I think that some may be assuming that a WiFi device wouldn't be appropriate for lending to homes without WiFi, but that's not really true. Assuming you do retain a physical library, as long as it has WiFi, it really doesn't take appreciably longer to download a book and carry it home than it does to check out a physical book. You don't need WiFi to read the book, only to transfer it.

    31. Re:more than books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lend out tools, toys, computers, and other things. The grand idea should be for people to learn for free.

      One of the most vital elements in getting children to enjoy books, is encuragement form the home, reading together at an early age stimulates the curiousity of the child giving warrent to growth, and enlightenment. Big money just wants us to sit on our flat ass and consume the stale air hovering around the technical monster called television. Read Read Read don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

  2. Make sure the have basic English reading skills. by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then worry about technology.

  3. Name it something else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What you want is a technology and innovation center, not a library.

    1. Re:Name it something else... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course. Like vinyl records and CDs, libraries, books, and reading are outdated business models. School is run on outdated tactics; we refuse to treat education like a technology and instead will continue to run schools as they were run in medieval times for fear of breaking it, somehow. But we want to incorporate other technology into the existing framework and act like giving students laptops helps, somehow.

  4. use POT (Personal Open Terminal) to be current by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    imagine all of us & all of the libraries connected doing open honest communications & commerce 24/7?. now imagine not being connected at all or afraid to communicate the truth etc....? that would be terrifying?

  5. Ask the Students? by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We'll tell you to stock the shelves with Calvin and Hobbes, How Stuff Works type books, and dinosaur stuff. This may be some of what the boys want, but it can't hurt to actually ask all the students what they are interested in. Skip the card catalog, and encourage exploring.

    1. Re:Ask the Students? by sneakyimp · · Score: 1

      Don't forget The Anarchist's Cookbook.

    2. Re:Ask the Students? by next_ghost · · Score: 1

      Skip the card catalog, and encourage exploring.

      Now that's an interesting idea. Get the kids to rediscover the library through a game where they create something that would make other kids interested in what the library has to offer. They'll probably start with the obvious - rating how interesting the books are and compiling a list of must-reads. But they should get more creative than that.

    3. Re:Ask the Students? by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      I've found very few people under the age of 20 have any idea who Calvin and Hobbes are. My Black Ops 2 emblem is Calvin, and very few people recognize who he is (and the emblem is nicely done, thank you very much). Sad, considering it's my all-time favorite comic strip.

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    4. Re:Ask the Students? by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      ...it can't hurt to actually ask all the students what they are interested in.

      We want pr0n! Lots of pr0n!

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  6. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So school libraries are generally becoming obsolete because students have high-tech resources at home to do reading and research. But your students don't have that. So how is your library in danger of becoming obsolete?

    1. Re:Wait, what? by next_ghost · · Score: 1

      So school libraries are generally becoming obsolete because students have high-tech resources at home to do reading and research. But your students don't have that. So how is your library in danger of becoming obsolete?

      Because most of the skills that the students will learn in the library will be obsolete once they leave school. Library as a place of learning should strive to teach its students something that they can use for a long time.

    2. Re:Wait, what? by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      Doing research on the internet is different than in a physical library. Some aspects are transferable, others not. Using Wikipedia is different than using a encyclopedia. You want to teach the kids the skills of the future. That is how the library is becoming obsolete.

  7. Redefine "Library" by black6host · · Score: 2

    Granted, I'm of the "get off my lawn" group so it's been a long time since I've been in a school library. If you want to foster technical knowledge and give these kids a chance to explore areas that are not otherwise available to them then put something in there besides books and computers for research. Like a maker space kind of set-up where kids have access to tools and supplies to actually create things. Look at the appeal of Legos, now make it a bit more technical. Might even foster the actual reading of books and on-line information in order for students to achieve their goals (which they probably don't even have at this point.)

    1. Re:Redefine "Library" by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes... based on my university library, I'd actually break down a "library" into 4 distict sections, and size them appropriately: individual vs. group, and "unplugged" vs. tech.

      Library as a cathedral of knowledge and meditation: (individual unplugged) : your "traditional" view of a library, where silence and sensory deprivation is enforced, stacks of books organized into sections, and isolated nooks and crannies with bean bags and desks for reading / study / sleeping. My most productive study space was a hard desk at the end of a stack in the basement of the engineering library.

      Library as a tech center: Need to break out into individual "serious work-focused" computer stations, and collaborative conference rooms. The collaboration environments would need to be scheduled out, but have all the accoutrements of modern conference rooms: wifi, whiteboards (both smart and dumb), projectors, servers and client stations for LAN-parties, etc. But of course encase it in glass so they can be monitored.

    2. Re:Redefine "Library" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you miss the part about this being an elementary school library?

    3. Re:Redefine "Library" by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      You've not worked with children, have you? If you put lego-like things in a school library, the'll have disappeared within a month.

    4. Re:Redefine "Library" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This times a billion. The one class I remember above all else from school, despite it being the class where I had the worst experience I would rather forget, is one that had drawers of electronics components and breadboards. A lot of kids were too damn stupid and just looked for whatever sparked, but a few of us made some cool shit.

    5. Re:Redefine "Library" by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      No, but didn't have time to throw in "put a big storytime rug in the group reading center" and "deploy Minecraft in the LAN party room" . fixed!

    6. Re:Redefine "Library" by black6host · · Score: 1

      I was addressing the thought that children like to build things. I have a 5 year old son so I certainly know how things can disappear. Nonetheless, I don't nail everything down. The implementation of something similar to what I proposed would be a discussion for another day. The point was: broaden one's definition of "library". It's kind of hard to foster technical innovation without something to work with. Hell, it could be software based and that's not likely to walk away, so to speak.

      If you think it can't be done, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I rarely say "I can't do this", I simply say I don't know how at this time.

  8. Most visitors... by ackthpt · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Currently most visitors, who spend quite a bit of time actually, are taking advantage of the WiFi.

    Seems the future of libraries is a clear, well lit place of of moderate comfort, where people can wirelessly browse anything electronically available, within or outside the library.

    For those who insist upon seeing physical matter, there can be a climate controlled cellar where such things are stored.

    Libraries as big edifices are becoming an anachronism.

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    1. Re:Most visitors... by Whorhay · · Score: 4, Informative

      One of the things I kind of miss from going to the library is having a curated collection of books to peruse. When I try and find a good book to read on Amazon there is such an enormous collection of stuff that finding a new book is a serious challenge. When I was a kid I would just go to the relatively small section of the library and look through that. I could take a book off the shelf and read a few pages to see if it appealed at all. With online book stores I'm mostly left to buying books by authors I already know, exploring new authors is an fiscal gamble. So thus far I've bought very few ebooks, instead I've stuck to the public domain works.

    2. Re:Most visitors... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      When I try and find a good book to read on Amazon there is such an enormous collection of stuff that finding a new book is a serious challenge.

      Frozen by choice. I don't see why a decent size Library would be different, other than it would be harder to view ALL the choices as quickly.

      The solution, quit being a douche and pick a book. IF you don't like it, don't pick anything like it in the future. If you use Amazon's ratings, they will get you more material you MIGHT like. Something a standard library completely fails at BTW.

      And there are plenty of "free" books out there to read.

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    3. Re:Most visitors... by jitterman · · Score: 1

      My city (I live in a state capital) just demolished one of our older main branches to build one easily 3 times larger. The library is used a lot (you could not usually find an empty space in the lot on Saturdays, had to park a block from the building) by high school students from the north side of town (tend to be poorer, probably don't have as much access to technology, etc.), so I would say from anecdotal evidence that libraries still do have a large role to play in education, if nothing else.

      My own kids love checking out books to read from their school library, and they both tend to get fiction and non-fiction alike, despite having the entire WWW (not to mention game consoles and handhelds) at their disposal. Again, this is just what I have witnessed personally, but libraries do seem to still be valued by many in the population despite all the alternatives.

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    4. Re:Most visitors... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      It takes 15 seconds to take a book from the shelf, flip through a few pages, and put it back. That cannot be done with a digital book in five times the time.

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    5. Re:Most visitors... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      One of the things I kind of miss from going to the library is having a curated collection of books to peruse. When I try and find a good book to read on Amazon there is such an enormous collection of stuff that finding a new book is a serious challenge. When I was a kid I would just go to the relatively small section of the library and look through that. I could take a book off the shelf and read a few pages to see if it appealed at all. With online book stores I'm mostly left to buying books by authors I already know, exploring new authors is an fiscal gamble. So thus far I've bought very few ebooks, instead I've stuck to the public domain works.

      I'm a notorious buyer of hardcover books. I see something I might like and buy it, take it home and put it in the "stack." It may take months or years, but I finally pick up the book and start reading. If it seems I have to force myself to read then I'll put it down and read something else. Most books tell me something of interest and I read them all the way through, sometimes I'll read a book more than once. One particular novel I've read at least a dozen times, as I quite enjoyed the epic journey and mythology woven into the tale.

      It would proabbly be much cheaper for me to just go to the local branch library, but though I read quite a lot I'm sometimes not able to read more than a few pages at a time, frequently, so renewing the check-out would have to happen a bit. The most amazing thing is finding books which lead me to books which lead me to other books, as happened with "Between Silk and Cyanide", "The White Rabbit: Wing Commander F.F.E.Yeo-Thomas", "London Calling North Pole". The first found at a book clearance and the other two books having to be sought out, one through a specialty book seller. I wish our libraries could carry these, but they are tiny and increasingly the books are no longer the focus of patrons.

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    6. Re:Most visitors... by emj · · Score: 1

      Actually, I recently bought a book on Google Play (but I guess it's the same on all platform) and I could start reading in 5 seconds. In the end I returned the book because it was DRM riddled, which was also pretty fast (20 seconds), but it's still cumbersome to manually return those 15 books you want to leaf through.

    7. Re:Most visitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?! Sure you can, just select the option of the free sample, I haven't checked the other ebook vendors, but at least Amazon and Google offer this. You might not have the option of choosing which pages you can look at, but you still get a selection of pages to see if you like it.

    8. Re:Most visitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once bought "a brief history of time" (or this kind, i don't remember precisely) on Amazon. Once i had put it in my basket, the suggest me some Britney Spears LP. I had some fun imagining reading such a book with such a music.

    9. Re:Most visitors... by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 1

      For online book stores, you really should be using an e-reader. You usually can preview the first several chapters, and there's a huge selection of books on both B&N and Amazon that costs about the price of a soda.

      I don't disagree, however. On the occasion that I do want a physical copy of a book, I almost always hit up the local bookstores first.

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    10. Re:Most visitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leafing through books shouldn't be tied to financial transactions. There are still people who cannot perform the transactions at all, and plenty more who cannot perform the kinds of transactions you are talking about. Besides, didn't we just have a rant about how disruptive to the seller charge backs are?

  9. Teach kids how to search for data by jmilne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My own kids have this problem. They assume that if they type something into Google, they'll find what they need. The problem is, they don't know how to properly structure their queries so they find the relevant stuff quickly, so they end up wasting time just in the searching. Take the time to instruct the kids on how to structure a query in Google, and you'll save them a lot of time so they can actually complete their assignments quicker. Also, introduce them to other information sites like Wolfram Alpha or searching through a local newspaper database, so that they're aware that sites other than Wikipedia even exist.

    1. Re:Teach kids how to search for data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They taught my class how to do that back in the 90's, when we were still using AltaVista and Lycos. It's still one of the most useful things I was ever taught - how to find other information more quickly.

  10. Parental Involvement by CyberSnyder · · Score: 2

    Without that, it's really tough to get kids involved.

    1. Re:Parental Involvement by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Without that, it's really tough to get kids involved.

      And where are parents doing these days? Not at the library, I'll tell you that.

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    2. Re:Parental Involvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without that, it's really tough to get kids involved.

      And where are parents doing these days? Not at the library, I'll tell you that.

      Clearly yours didn't help you.

  11. Reimagined... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    You make the robots look more futuristic and swap the male lead role with a female.

    1. Re:Reimagined... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BRAAAAM

      BRAAAAM

      "Shhhh!"

      braaaam

      The Library

  12. Internet access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet access first, and help with queries and how to use it, the help on how to search etc uses the same amount of librarian time as book lending so no difference in the staffing.
    There is no point in anything else digital until that is done, but you don't exactly need top end machines for just internet....

  13. Donated computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If all you want is Internet terminals, your community can handle that. I worked at a charity last year, and we were buried in computer donations. Most of them P4s and Core Duo, but never the less more than adequate for library use.

    If the community is too poor even for that, check Goodwill and see if they can send some your way - they are being buried in this old shit too. They supposedly send the old equipment to DELL for "recycling" - whatever that really means. And I'm sure they are getting some compensation for it.

    I REALLY hope Goodwill will spare a few computers. They are sure getting plenty of Government grants and if they don't, make noise.

    1. Re:Donated computers? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Having lots of different old computers is going to cause problems, so it would be good to have somebody (paid or unpaid) doing some tech support.

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  14. Communal study spaces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to realize they are now more of a communal study space than for people to get books. Less books, but keep the book shelves as dividers between study tables and study cubicles.There was a newly designed space that one of my cities libraries moved into, and I was so disappointed; they had racks and racks of nice looking shelves of books, and placed only one crappy area of study table (that's right, singular) on the side.

  15. Digital Book Scanning Operation by jomama717 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Get the kids involved in an ongoing operation whereby books are acquired, digitally scanned, and then re-donated to other schools/libraries/etc. Store the digital copies in some offsite database that can be shared amongst other schools/libraries/etc. Provide terminals where the students can peruse the scanned books and allow access to the digital library for students at home.

    Can't think of a better way to keep a library as a place to learn new and relevant skills and be exposed to gobs of information and knowledge at the same time.

    I'm sure this all falls apart when the copyright lawyers get involved, but I would love to see the publicity the publishers get when they sue a school library :)

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    1. Re:Digital Book Scanning Operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah...see the headlines now "School teaches criminal behaviour to children"

      Should teach them lock picking too in case they get locked out at home, how to hot wire a car in case they loose their keys, how to use a knife and gun for "self defence".

    2. Re:Digital Book Scanning Operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the scare quotes? The use of a knife and/or gun for self defense is a skill that *most* people should have learned by the time they leave college. Admittedly, for most people, that skill will be as useful as calculus in their day to day lives, but unlike calculus, people don't generally get to decide *when* they'll be put in a situation where they need to use their self defense skills.

    3. Re:Digital Book Scanning Operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah...see the headlines now "School teaches criminal behaviour to children"

      Should teach them lock picking too in case they get locked out at home, how to hot wire a car in case they loose their keys, how to use a knife and gun for "self defence".

      Are you joking? Those should all be taught to any wonderful young person willing to actually learn something. There's no such thing as evil knowledge.

    4. Re:Digital Book Scanning Operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that moves more and more fraction of the reading time from light-reflecting, distraction-free surfaces to light-emitting, distracting devices. Uncomfortable to read for a long time, and ADD inducing...

    5. Re:Digital Book Scanning Operation by Felgior · · Score: 1

      The publishers would sue the school library and we, the people, would never learn about it except for maybe the small local community. There is not only a problem with our copyright system, but also with our media. But this will not come as a surprise to most /.'ers.

  16. Fostering what now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A library should foster research and literacy. If you want to create a good learning environment, invest in comfortable chairs and tables, and make sure that the librarian (or other school staff) can monitor all seating areas to help maintain a quiet and relaxing environment. Also, buy more books.

    Oh, and one or two computer workstations with internet access might be useful for research, I guess.

  17. Online resources still have to be paid for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Libraries have always flourished because they have provided low cost access to expensive information. Most people can't afford to buy every book or access every database they need to use. Just because you can access resources at home doesn't mean someone doesn't have to pay for them. Libraries mitigate the costs by sharing a limited resource among many users.

  18. You don't want a library by Ardyvee · · Score: 1

    You want a hackerspace instead. To me, a library is the place I go to learn the theory. It's a repository of knowledge. I go there to gather knowledge. Maybe even think on the knowledge. A library is not a place for experiments and manual work, which is the kind of thing that tends to be innovative or foster it (get kids interested in doing stuff). Unless, of course, you want innovations in mathematics or perhaps some kind of theoretical advance, in which case you want giant drawing boards, markers (or chalks) and put them all in a relatively private space (quieter than the library itself, and preferably without people looking at what you are doing unless you want them to).

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    1. Re:You don't want a library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A library is a library. A hackerspace, lab or workshop is something else.

      However, the suggestion about chalkboards or whiteboards makes sense. How about making sure plenty of scratch paper and pens or pencils are available too?

  19. Teach the students what a library is by Tiger4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The students presumably want to learn things. If they don't they will only go there if forced. So, first, you show them what a library is and how it is used to access information. The staff, catalog, the stacks, how to request materials, and most important What They Can Find in the Books (and recordings and videos, etc). Once they see it as a living tool that they know how to use, they will tell You how it should be better set up.

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    1. Re:Teach the students what a library is by Tiger4 · · Score: 2

      You might even consider something like a Treasure Hunt, where teams of students find pieces of knowledge in the library. The winner gets whatever prize is available

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    2. Re:Teach the students what a library is by davecb · · Score: 1

      Also get some selected magazines, preferably last-month's copy of some of the teachers' favourites. Grade-school kids are interested in what grown-ups think are important, and will sometimes dive into thing's you'd never expect.

      Especially articles about dinosaurs, including some stuff that grownup might think is way too hard. I didn't know I was supposed to be stupid, so I read about dinos everywhere, and just skipped over stuff I didn't understand (:-))

      A good thing to have is a back issue or two of "The Atlantic", preferably including one with a John Fallows airplane article. Yes, it's a highbrow mag for grownups, but I read airplane articles in everything when I was a kid. Dinosaurs in F16s!

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    3. Re:Teach the students what a library is by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Dinosaurs in F16s!

      Actually, it was tyrannosaurs in F-14s. Yes, those are recognizable as F-14s, too. Watterson was an excellent draftsman with a good eye for detail.

    4. Re:Teach the students what a library is by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      And still just as funny now as 20 years ago. Dear gawd, how can something like that be so funny, awesome, and awesomely stupid all at the same time?

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    5. Re:Teach the students what a library is by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Did you notice that the middle F-14 has kill marks on the side? Apparently he's bagged two triceritops.

    6. Re:Teach the students what a library is by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The students presumably want to learn things

      Are you sure?

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    7. Re:Teach the students what a library is by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      You win the Internet!

    8. Re:Teach the students what a library is by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      Yes. No one wants to wallow in ignorance. They may not want to learn what you think they should learn, but they will educate themselves on something.

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    9. Re:Teach the students what a library is by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      "ignorance is bliss" is a saying for a reason.

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    10. Re:Teach the students what a library is by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You would be surprised at the number of people who do want to wallow in ignorance. I'm not talking about people who have not thought about it. I am talking about the people who have actively, consciously chosen that they want to be ignorant. It is a sad reality, but reality none the less. That being said, you can't concern yourself with those people. They are already lost. Work for those those that do want to learn things. There are plenty of those kinds of people too.

  20. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mak sur you no howw too type b4 posten bout inglish skilz.

  21. Computer lab by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Have at least a handful of internet enabled computers, screens facing into the room, and a clearly posted policy of no games unless other computers are sitting unused. Not no games altogether though - help make the library a place where kids want to hang out. Obviously no speakers, and a bring-your-own headphone policy is probably most hygienic - earbuds pack small and functional ones can be had for a couple bucks anymore.

    Desktop links obviously to include Wikipedia, Project Gutenberg, etc.
    Possibly also PortableApps.com - if many don't have their own computer, point them at how they can at least have their own programs on whatever computer they do have access to.

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  22. This is Elementary School. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Books! Really people their is nothing wrong with good old fashioned books! We are talking about little kids probably from the ages of 5 to 10 years old. Tools? Technology? Stories, adventure, science, and just fun books is what you need. Get the kids in love with the written word. Most of the ideas I am seeing target maybe the oldest age group but nothing for the majority of the age groups involved.

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    1. Re:This is Elementary School. by swv3752 · · Score: 2

      Yes! A standard library should b e just fine for an elementary school. Maybe have some computers which should run an educational linux system. http://www.linuxplanet.com/lin... has decent list. Don't bother with electronic gadgets like tablets and ebook readers, the kids will just break them.

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    2. Re:This is Elementary School. by RKThoadan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. I'm reading through these and thinking that very little is applicable to my 2nd grader, who loves libraries (school and public) for the incredibly quaint reason of just checking out books. On the other hand, her school has a dedicated computer lab. She gets computer lab 1 day a week and library one day a week. She greatly prefers library day.

      As far as I am concerned a library should foster a love of reading and imagination. "innovation and technology" are alright, but they aren't the most important things in the world.

      Keep in mind that in general, half of elementary school is about learning to read. The transition from "learning to read" to "reading to learn" is generally around 3rd grade. There is definitely a case to be made for a more technology centered area in middle & high school, but I don't really think that is the case for elementary.

    3. Re:This is Elementary School. by multimediavt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Books! Really people their is nothing wrong with good old fashioned books! We are talking about little kids probably from the ages of 5 to 10 years old. Tools? Technology? Stories, adventure, science, and just fun books is what you need. Get the kids in love with the written word. Most of the ideas I am seeing target maybe the oldest age group but nothing for the majority of the age groups involved.

      I am also in this camp having been in Higher Ed for the past 20 years. There is still a ridiculous amount of information that is NOT available anywhere but in books, depending on the subject. I would turn it into a reading library, perhaps, rather than a research library for most of the physical space. Current science and other research information is online so you will need a few computers with web access, but books still have a lot to offer. I would agree with a post above that said to skip the Dewey Decimal system. I'd suggest implementing a categorical keyword based shelving system, with titles alphabetized within the shelves. It's kind of like an analog Google search. They will still have to sift through false positives to find what they want. There are ways to "re-imagine" a library that make the skills relevant to what they would encounter in the digital world, while building up their literacy and critical thinking skills. It might be a good idea to work with other schools in the district to spread the load of purchasing books and rotate titles through the different schools every semester so each school gets access to the same titles.

    4. Re:This is Elementary School. by ignavusinfo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was wondering when someone would mention books.

      The other must have for a library is a librarian. Honestly, at the elementary school level libraries are no less relevant than they've ever been -- research is research and learning how to do it, even with a crappy old encyclopedia and out of date dictionary is a vital skill. So if your school's library is irrelevant it's time to find a new librarian because there's your problem.

      Librarians are also pretty skilled at finding and purchasing the right materials, recommending age-appropriate books, fighting censorship, and -- at least when I was a kid -- being an non-teacher/non-parent adult confidant. Parents, even involved, educated ones, can't fill the same role.

    5. Re:This is Elementary School. by nbauman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good point. But you need a good librarian to run it.

      Without a librarian, all you've got is a dumpster-full of books.

      Some books are better for kids to read than others, and without a librarian, they're lost.

      I used to go into the Donnell Library teenager's room in Manhattan, go to the 500s, and find a book shelf of every good math and science book I read or wanted to read in high school.

      It takes a librarian to create a selection like that, where any book you pick up is interesting and worth reading.

      When "libraries" depend on "donations" of books other people don't want (i.e. garbage), they get best-sellers of 10 and 20 years ago, Readers' Digest collections, old inspirational books, and manuals for Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect.

      Over the last several decades, school librarians have been getting fired, and school libraries have been shut down because there was nobody to run them. The affluent neighborhoods have great libraries. The poor neighborhoods don't have them any more.

    6. Re:This is Elementary School. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it but at the Elementary level the research part of library just does not have a high priority to me. I am thinking about reading Swiss Family Robinson when I was a kid and dreaming about living in a tree house and fighting pirates. Helping Uncle Wiggle to build a snow plow for his car, or reading the Little House books. I love technology but technology is a tool for most people not a way of life. Yes some of us are tool makers and we love our tools but this has to work for everybody. It would not hurt most techie types to have a bit more whimsy in their life.

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    7. Re:This is Elementary School. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      As far as I am concerned a library should foster a love of reading and imagination.

      So in other words something that is trivially accomplished online anymore. And far cheaper as you don't have to heat the place, replace the roof, pay people to restock the books, etc.

      I'm not saying that a library isn't needed. My city has a great library, one of the best genealogy department in the nation. Many other areas are great as well. And if you're looking for very obscure or specific information maybe an old book is the best place to find it. But for a child's standpoint, none of those things matter to "foster a love of reading an imagination." A source of reading material that captures their attention is all that's needed.

      My library recently has started undergoing chances to bring technology into it's main location as well as branches. They just removed a computer lab (well, move the computers elsewhere) to make room for a maker space. 3D printers, 3d and 2D scanners, vinyl cutting, CAD, electronics, even sewing... For more than a few year's they've also partnered with an organization with similar goals and interests, often more technical and industrial. I printed many of my own 3D printer parts on one of their MakerBots and more than a few kids looked at and were interested in the nicknacks that others have printed for display. My own kids have shown some interested in the maker space as well and they are at the tail end of elementary school and early middle school.

    8. Re:This is Elementary School. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libraries are big places for a 5 to 10 year old. A cell type sound isolated work area with easy access to the books around them might be good for those first school projects. Indeed, excitement and fun should be an incentive for reading more, even if there is no parent to inspire the child. Unfortunately this is the case all too often and the low income status is transferred to the next generation.

    9. Re:This is Elementary School. by ignavusinfo · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it but at the Elementary level the research part of library just does not have a high priority to me. I am thinking about reading Swiss Family Robinson when I was a kid and dreaming about living in a tree house and fighting pirates.

      I hope I didn't imply that there shouldn't be whimsical books. By "research" I mean reading about dinosaurs and then looking them up in a Childcraft encyclopedia or perhaps finding a second book about dinosaurs or planning a dinosaur costume. Knowing the mechanics of research (how to use a table of contents, an index, a catalogue -- hell, the kik-step) makes these activities more fun and natural. I think a good school librarian should be teaching kids how to do more than click. Having known more than one university librarian who talked about having to teach college age students how to use a ToC, an index, a catalogue it's pretty clear that we're not doing enough when these kids are young.

      Modern technology is ancillary at best in an elementary school library and probably more distracting than useful. The above mentioned dinosaurs don't have to move, they don't have to sing dinosaur songs, and they certainly don't need to be advertising dinosaur treats to the under-9 set.

    10. Re:This is Elementary School. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      True, I can see that. I just don't want that to be the primary driver at the elementary school level.

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    11. Re:This is Elementary School. by volmtech · · Score: 1

      First this from a previous coment: "I don't know what pre-curated means, but if it's in a library, it's because some librarian or someone decided that book was high enough quality to put into a library. That's worth something right there, the librarian is filtering a lot of the drivel."

      And how is this NOT censorship? So if it's not in the library it hasn't been censored, it's just drivel.

    12. Re:This is Elementary School. by ignavusinfo · · Score: 1

      So if it's not in the library it hasn't been censored, it's just drivel.

      That's certainly not something I said or implied. In my experience librarians have always gone out of their way to acquire any material that's been asked for. Further, they get really pissed off when parents and school boards and the like start to dictate what can and cannot be on the library shelves -- for instance, it's the ALA who sponsor Banned Books Week and is mighty vocal about censorship in any library. Remember too that this is the cohort who stood up to the g-men demanding patrons' borrowing records.

      They do curate a collection: obviously they can't choose to stock every book and have to decide what to put on the shelves. I don't see an elementary school librarian not selecting, say, Kingsley Amis's _Lucky Jim_ as a form of censorship (and it's certainly not drivel). It would be an inappropriate read for most elementary school kids though, boring to them, and a waste of valuable shelf space. If you see that as censorship I'd posit that you have a very broad definition of that term.

      There are, no doubt, librarians who do censor and do exert an agenda. Fortunately they seem to be in a minority.

      What librarians are very good at is knowing what books are going to be appealing to kids. If you really liked The Phantom Tollbooth they're the people who are then able to nudge you towards A Wrinkle in Time. I think asking a fourth grader to surf the 'net and select his next book without guidance is fraught with issues.

    13. Re:This is Elementary School. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with a categorical word based system is that most items fall into two or more categories. With such a system, it is impossible to place a book in two or more places. As a result, we invented reverse indexing systems, called card catalogs.

      I'm not a big fan of Dewey's decimal system, but it is simple, and easy enough you can skip the card catalog after just learning a few key sections. The "real" cataloging system resolves many of it's shortcomings, but a school library typically doesn't grow large enough to feel those pains.

    14. Re:This is Elementary School. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A categorical keyword based shelving system would be similar to the Dewey Decimal system or Library of Congress system (more widely used).

      What you are essentially doing with any shelving system is arranging books in long lines and chopping them up into categories. You can come up with all sorts of schemes to do it, but you're not going to do much, if any, better than LoC. (Lots of books come with suggested Dewey Decimal numbers and Library of Congress designations printed on them, so they're easy to use.) Since you're arranging the books in a line within a category, they can't be arranged by more than one keyword each.

      What the library needs is to have some adequate shelving system, and a good catalog. The catalog should have the ability to search on multiple keywords.

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    15. Re:This is Elementary School. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Microsoft gives schools a site licenses for so cheap that in the US there is little reason to go with Linux. Add in the fact that active directory makes managing large numbers of PC a lot simpler than Linux tools and you can see why Microsoft is hard to displace in a large schools system.
      Microsoft isn't dumb they want every kid to get out of school knowing how to use Windows and are willing to back that up with low cost software to the schools.

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    16. Re:This is Elementary School. by invesindo · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm reading through these and thinking that very little is applicable to my 2nd grader, who loves libraries (school and public) for the incredibly quaint reason of just checking out books. On the other hand, her school has a dedicated computer lab. She gets computer lab 1 day a week and library one day a week. She greatly prefers library day.

      As far as I am concerned a library should foster a love of reading and imagination. "innovation and technology" are alright, but they aren't the most important things in the world.

      Keep in mind that in general, half of elementary school is about learning to read. The transition from "learning to read" to "reading to learn" is generally around 3rd grade. There is definitely a case to be made for a more technology centered area in middle & high school, but I don't really think that is the case for elementary.

      innovation is indispensable. Therefore, we can use a variety of ways to improve the science that we get one way could be to use media forum Forum

  23. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    touché.

  24. Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since we are imagining, I can see Smartboards and tablets, or pehaps e-book readers in the hands of the young ones. Buy an overhead projector or five. Maybe they get help checking out an ebook from the local library to use on the tablets or e-books you have on hand. They can give presentations using the Smartboard about their favorite season/sport/toy/technology/game. They can learn how to connect a laptop to projector, and show classmates how to find and play a favorite online game, maybe? Group research projects done in conjunction with librarians that involve an art project at the end. (What does science tell us about dinosaurs having feathers? What do you imagine those would look like?)

  25. Hmmm .... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    So imagine a perfectly spherical, super-conducting library of infinite density ... oh, is that not what you meant? :-P

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  26. Computer lab and hackerspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure to what extent considering the age group, but setting it up as a combo computer lab and hackerspace to get some hands on learning on a variety of subjects.

  27. A good yarn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We had no library at my first school. Three rooms for kindergarten to ninth grade. But my second school, starting in 4th grade had a very small one. What I remember most was the impact of stories I read in Argosy magazine. I later developed a taste for science fiction novels. It was after this that I really began to seek out non-fiction and especially history books to satisfy my imagination. I think you need a mix of good old fashioned stories, fiction, to instill a sense of curiosity and imagination and a selection of books for learning. If you can get a kid dreaming of big adventures and wild tales, you are seeding the ground for future growth and fascination with all the world around us.

  28. NoooOOOoooo by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't, just don't.

    You have already said these kids don't have a lot of technology available at home.

    Well, turning this library into a tech haven will make it inaccessible to kids with weak tech skills. That's a disaster.

    What you want is the library to be a place where kids get the basics. An introduction to technology that they will meet as they grow up should be part of it. But at the same time they should be able to interact with the library using the skills they have.

    I betcha a lot of that will be good old fashioned books.

    1. Re:NoooOOOoooo by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Except that idea is pure, idealistic nonsense.

      Look, I'm 46. I *love* books. Sure, I appreciate my kindle, but nothing beats reading a good dead-tree book. But with 4 teens (2 of whom ended up 'readers', 2 not, despite ALL being read-to constantly and growing up in a house FULL of books - take that nurture vs. nature!), I have to concede that to believe that in ANY context you will get modern teens to enter a library and pick up a book is just futile.

      A certain subset of kids will look for books. There's nothing you need to do there. They'll find books like mice find cheese.

      Outside that subset, I personally believe that "pushing" books is utterly worthless. Neither their desire, nor their attention span, nor their culture will get them into a library. And if you believe that the schools provide ANY 'learning' on information access in today's culture of the internet, twitter, snapchat, etc - again, you're not looking at it realistically. These kids - low income or not* (*lets remember that 'low' income kids in the US likely have a cellphone) - will have developed their approach to instantly-derived, absolutely-current information based on their media-saturated culture and peers. To say "a kid with weak tech skills" is a complete misnomer. "Weak" tech skills to this generation mean that they "only" have a smartphone, but not an ipad, laptop, etc.

      To them, the "good old-fashioned books" are about as relevant as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and about as timely.

      I agree with you in principle, but the ideal is hopelessly out of date.

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    2. Re:NoooOOOoooo by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      This is not a mid->upper class high school library.

      It's an elementary school library catering to mostly low income students. These are NOT teens.

      The fact is 20% of Americans don't have access to the internet in their homes. How are they going to use what you propose?

      Your idea is a disaster.

    3. Re:NoooOOOoooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is idiotic. For the kids who love books there isn't "nothing you need to do there". You need to provide them with as many books as they can read (which is a lot), of a high quality and about things they are interested in. This is the main purpose of libraries. The end goal isn't just to make an adult who reads books. The aim is to allow the reading kids to read great, interesting things, enjoy themselves and learn a lot.

      For the kids who aren't natural readers, you are right that 'pushing books on them' won't work. No-one is suggesting this. What the library can do is make both books and librarians available, so that the day they want to find out something or read something specific, they realize the library is there for them.

  29. This is *easy*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just think of it being different. Poof! It's been reimagined!

  30. I work for a public high school. Grades 6-12. by waspleg · · Score: 1

    Our Media Center has 33 desktops with internet connections. Those + the large Anime/Manga (this is limited to 9-12 graders) sections are by far the most utilized. It's also where you come to get issued a netbook (if you're eligible) or a graphing calculator or a required-for-a-class novel. Outside of these things it's used for testing, and tutoring (including after school).

    Teachers have access to a BD/DVD and even, yes, VHS video section as well as borrowing blu-ray players, getting things laminated, and the ability to schedule the computer use (along with our 5 other labs).

    The building I worked at previously was a "community school" which meant people could come in off the street to use it like a public library, those people were mostly interested in the computers for job searches or whatnot.

  31. Not terribly hard... by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    You just get last years tablets or e-readers or even chromebooks in bulk on clearance. That's half the work done. Now, start loading them up with screened dumps of Simple Wikipedia. You'll have alot of penis orgasm GIF's & Charles Manson pages & other weird shit to pull out yourself, but eventually you'll have a well-screened archive you can begin dumping on whatever devices you've stocked up on. This is how today's children learn. You may think it's frightening, or even wrong, but having lived the experience in the Elk Grove Unified School District (before I could get out legally at 16 w/ an equivalency test...I still mark that day as the day I escaped purgatory), there is absolutely NO better or even close-to-equivalent alternative that'll stretch minds faster than autistic kids on acid in the 1960s. Well...except for Khan Academy. Make sure to have that bookmarked on every web browser!

  32. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by cnkurzke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I honestly think you need to explain to the students the value of "reading pre-curated knowledge" from established experts (aka books) versus random one-off drivel on the screen (which includes comments on slashdot)

    Too many times people think in a post-wikipedia world "real books" are outdated.

  33. Why? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    "Foster innovation and technology." Why is this important in an elementary school? Why not focus first on reading and writing and mathematics and the arts?

    1. Re:Why? by twistedcubic · · Score: 2

      In a word, funding. A school district might provide iPads for every student, while many teachers curiously have to provide their own paper for making photocopies. The "technology and shit" budget for K-12 and community colleges is infinite in comparison to budgets for basic fundamentals. If you want to get sustained funding for any program, it may help to disguise it in buzzwords like "innovative" and "21st century". Unfortunately, a lot of bullshit gets in this way.

  34. Talk to these guys by Reapman · · Score: 1

    Not associated other then I live in the city - Haven't step foot in a library in over a decade, but with their Makerspace (3d printers, book printer, kid friendly toys to learn how circuits work, music making devices, etc), ebooks, etc I've become pretty impressed. Very forward thinking and friendly staff.

    Edmonton Public Library http://www.epl.ca/

  35. Elementary library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello,

    I would have a mix of mediums, books, computers and e-readers. You may want to check the Association for Library Service to Children website http://www.ala.org/alsc/ they have several lists on what you may want to stock in a library.

  36. Guiding research. by jellomizer · · Score: 0

    Especially for elementary students, and even for doctorate students. Libraries need to be a place to help guide people in research, help filter out the Crap from the gems, offer access to stuff that people usually need to pay via a paywall to get access to. Peer reviewed Journals, New Paper sites that have a PayWall for archives...
    Shared Bookmarks with other libraries to build a source of good information. Wikipedia is good starting point, but it isn't good research, as it can be altered and bias. Show people how to find and going threw the sources would be valuable.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  37. Puzzles! by xanthos · · Score: 2

    Puzzles, puzzles and more puzzles! Number puzzles, word puzzles, shape puzzles! Tangram! Origami!

    Things that make you think! Things that give you a sense of accomplishment when completed! Things that make you feel as smart as you are!

    Because...

    --
    Average Intelligence is a Scary Thing
  38. Basic+ by infosciencegeek · · Score: 1

    Library spaces are becoming collaborative spaces in university libraries across the United States. At the middle school and high school levels the libraries are being turned into collaborative maker spaces to encourage innovation and exploration of imagination among students. Elementary school libraries should encourage the students to begin thinking in a way that will help them to succeed at the secondary and post secondary level. Provide whiteboards, dry erase markers, tables with multiple electrical outlets so a group of children can bring the school's laptops to a table and work together. Provide instruction that supports the maker culture.

    I call my suggestion Basic+ because you mention the students are from low-income families without basic high tech resources. So maybe instead of populating your collaborative makerspace with multiple 3-d printers, or any printers, you spend funds on laptops and give the options for students to rent flash drives to transport their work. Or better yet, partner with a cloud service where students can save their work until they can turn it in to their teachers via Blackboard or e-mail.

  39. Re:"low-income" = "non-white" - am I right? by atari2600a · · Score: 0

    I know I'm not supposed to feed the trolls, but...Half the white people in America wish they at least had the FREEDOM to leave the country. Do you know how hard it is to get a visa to ANYWHERE else until you've first established yourself high in your industry? We're at 1938 Germany xenophobia levels now & we've already invaded Poland AND Russia. I & every other person I know would love to move to Central America, buy an acre or two of land & build a house & just live, but they made it impossible to leave to even the neighboring countries without Papers Please, & now the racial superiorists are flooding in. WWIII is coming fast & it will be fought on everyones shores with only the deadliest of killer robots. Nice going, Mr. I'm Protecting White People From Der Juden Menace or whatever.

  40. Advertising by flymolo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a display space near the cafeteria or some other place where students go frequently. Put books there that are interesting to the students. Thor comics, Ender's game whatever the media is already advertising for you.

    Talk to teachers and hold classes in the library occasionally so the kids feel comfortable there.
    See if the school will add DVDs to the library's collection.

    Get them there and they'll figure out how to use it, but you have to get them there.

    If they can put meeting rooms in, so clubs can meet there that would be great as well.

    --
    "Sometimes it's hard to tell the dancer from the dance." --Corwin Of Amber in CoC
  41. Drop Dewey Decimal... by twistedcubic · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...if it's not too controversial. Research and find a better system, such as LOC or the like. Find some old smartphones to use as bar code readers with wifi capability connected to a Debian server running MariaDB or Postgresql. Dude! I can't wait to visit.

    1. Re:Drop Dewey Decimal... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      It may also be worth creating a presentation space to more prominently display certain books.

      Even the smallest library looks huge to someone who's three foot tall and barely literate. Row upon row of stacks, shelves to (what seems like) the ceiling, endless line of spines on every shelf with sideways writing. (Angry-busy looking ladies behind the counters.) The paralysis of choice, the intimidation of an alien world.

      Bring out selected books, with a display for each age bracket, changed regularly. Show the faces of the books. Draw kids in. Start the exploration.

      --
      Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
  42. Treasure Hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the web it's easy to find answers (not always correct) to your questions.

    With a physical library it's easy to find questions.

    Make a game of exploring the library and all its resources.

    Don't re-imagine a children's library; instead, encourage children to re-imagine themselves.

  43. Video games. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When i think back to my elementary school, there was only one reason to visit the library other than to check out books, and that was to play games on the computers.

    We had games like Spellevator Math Blaster as well as some adventure game that constantly quizzed various knowledges that I can't for the life of me remember the name of.
    (I wish I did because I never beat it and I'd love to go back and do such now)

    The point is, there's many an educational game out there, and it's an easy way to get younger kids learning things they may not otherwise take interest in.

    --
    What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
  44. Categorize your books differently, sir by asliarun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Libraries are so often categorized on Victorian assumptions that we are there to do serious stuff - academic pursuits, seeking knowledge, a scholarship, research and such claptrap. Nobody feels, emotes, thinks, imagines, or dreams that way. And nobody reads books that way either.

    Books should be categorized on emotions, imagination, our interests and passions, our quirks, our pursuits and hobbies. Books should also be categorized on *how* we read a book, not always on *what* we read.

    I really don't subscribe to the standard answers of finding technology answers to these kind of problems. Technology only helps us solve some problems better. But we first need to know what the problem is, and how we want to solve it in the first place.

    The problem is that libraries are not aligned with how people think and feel. Libraries are instead aligned with how a certain people once thought that people should think and feel. Which is bollocks.

    1. Re:Categorize your books differently, sir by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Books should also be categorized on *how* we read a book, not always on *what* we read.

      That makes no sense. Given that each person reads a book differently, there is no way to categorize a book for multiple people based on *how* it is read, because no two people will agree on how it is read.

    2. Re:Categorize your books differently, sir by asliarun · · Score: 1

      Do you read before you go to sleep?
      Do you read on a train or a bus?
      Do you read a few pages at a time?
      Do you like to read a story end to end in one sitting?
      Do you carry your book in a handbag or a manpurse?
      Do you carry your book in your pocket?

      Maybe some of what I said may not make sense.
      However, we need to think deeper about why reading books are becoming more and more unpopular. We also need to think deeper as to why libraries are becoming more unpopular or are trying to do other things (besides being a place where people can read and borrow books).

      Don't be so quick to judge and say "that makes no sense". I wasn't trying to be prescriptive in terms of saying exactly how we should redesign libraries. However, I do find it surprising that so little effort is made to keep evolving books and libraries according to how and why and when people are reading books. Books and libraries should fit into people's lifestyles, not the other way around. Yes, sure e-book lending etc has taken off, and libraries have become more of social centers, but that is only a couple of steps in this direction.

      For example, I have often found it an utter shame when I have found myself lugging a book in my hand when it will not fit in my pocket, especially on crowded trains and buses. I have also often been frustrated when I have stayed up late consecutively for several nights and finished 2 parts of a trilogy only to discover that the third part hasn't even been published yet.

  45. Consider taking a step back by Krishnoid · · Score: 1
    With the opportunity to reimagine a library, you might engage in a little 'alternate history' fiction. One option is to start with a perspective of why a library was created in the first place.

    If home Internet/LAN/WIFI pre-dated the existence of the concept of a physical space that a library currently uses, what would the 'library' be invented to provide? A few ideas:

    • reading/research collaboration space -- get together to work on school assignments
    • white noise generators specially designed to keep collaboration sound down
    • access to documents and resources that cannot be made available over the internet -- non-functioning 3D artistic/STEM items for examination, perhaps not for use
    • ability to check out e-book readers and 'borrow' e-books within the wi-fi range of the library
    • ability to check out audiobooks, and maybe borrow listening devices while in the library
    • ability to use higher-end resources -- e.g., graphics tablets
    • other study-type resources that may not simply be books
    • traditional books
  46. Rename it by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

    My suggestion would be to start by renaming the library to the "center for information and learning" or similar. Then it becomes clear this is a place that provides information resources to support the educational mission. "Library" these days implies "books," which to too many people implies "dusty, old, obsolete, and useless:" a recipe for getting your budget cut. :-)

    What kinds of information resources do your kids need to support their education?

    You said yourself, they don't all have Internet access at home, so a big lab of desktop machines is a good starting point.

    Does your collection include DVDs and audio books? If not, you can start to develop that.

    My employer has a small library with a magazine rack of several current trade publications. You could do the same, put a rack of educational magazines near the door and create a place with good lighting and some comfortable chairs for reading them.

    Keep the books, of course. Books provide a depth of information that is hard to match online even today. However, do active collection management to purge the non-fiction books that are out of date. Nothing says "the library is obsolete" like a shelf full of science books from 1973.

    I would also suggest some kind of outreach effort, say a newsletter or blog pointing out some new, free enrichment resources kids can find online (including YouTube videos), what's cool on PBS this month, and what new books you've added to the collection. Maybe ask some teachers and students to write reviews of books and media they would recommend.

    --
    [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
    1. Re:Rename it by LongearedBat · · Score: 1
      This...

      purge the non-fiction books that are out of date. Nothing says "the library is obsolete" like a shelf full of science books from 1973.

      Or, for the sake of preservation, put them in a "historical section".

  47. Not quite by iceperson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While your educated upper middle class white guy probably doesn't see much use for a large library there are a lot of people that do.

    I recommend you go to a small town library and see how it's being used. My wife is a librarian at our local library, and I'm always surprised how many people are there when I go in to see her. There are kids using meeting rooms for school projects, people using the computers to fill out applications for jobs, and there's always at least a few people interspersed between the racks just browsing or even sitting on the floor reading something they've found. The local knitters club meets there once a week and last I checked there were about a dozen volunteers for the literacy program teaching people to read at various times of day depending on when their "student" is available.

    Fortunately, our community values our library so she gets a lot of local support, but I'm sure there are people in our community like yourself who see something that they don't/won't use as a giant waste or prime real estate or something...

    1. Re:Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in an urban area, and my local library gets a lot of use. I take the kids there pretty regularly, and it's always got a bunch of people there. Many are using the computers, but just as many are getting or reading books.

  48. Libraries as the Start of an Adventure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would suggest that you view the library as a starting place.

    My high school ('97-'01) actually gave up its library and let the public library system come in and open a branch. In theory it was a great idea that didn't work out for other reasons (school wasn't open to the public often, it was 3/4 of a mile from the closest road, etc).

    One of the school systems my children attend had its own staff as the librarian, but all the content were a part of the public library system. This meant that if a teacher had the whole class read a book, they could just borrow it from the library and the system as a whole had a much easier time having that volume of books on hand. It also meant that if they read an exert from a book, the library would make sure to have other books in that series or by that author available for the children. Best of all, it meant that I could see what my children were reading by logging into their account (all parents had to have access). It also meant my children could "reserve" books and instead of me taking them to the library, they could choose their school as the branch and their home room teacher would give them the book. They encouraged parents to do the same thing assuming the book wasn't too inappropriate for children on the theory that if children saw their parents reading it would encourage them to. You could also reserve other media (mp3 players, cd's, dvd's, even Wii Games etc) so if my daughter was well behaved, worked hard on home work, and read a book outside of school assignments, I'd typically let her get a movie on Friday. All without my having to drive to the library; if she finished with something and wanted a new one, we could easily go to the library. If we checked something out and needed to return it, I could just stick it in her backpack.

    The library there was also really well designed; it felt like you were walking into a book store or a music store etc; I typically have a hard time finding books i'm interested in, with that location it was always hard to limit my choices to a small enough collection I could easily actually consume them. It was on a bike path and very much aimed to be a cool spot to hang out (even having video game tournaments).

    Four years ago we decided to buy, so I moved to a poor section of the city and have a different school/library system. The libraries here though have all the text books used in the surrounding public school districts (we have over 170 just in our county). They also have common materials (paper, pens, pencils, scissors, crayons, etc) and volunteers (for when parents don't have time, aren't willing too, or honestly can't help). Granted, you're talking more about a school library then a public library, but I would imagine extended hours with supplies and volunteers could have a significant impact and you may qualify for some of the same grants.

    Finally, try to do what you can to spark curiosity. The main branch of our public library has a state for puppets; they will do some shows, but most of them time its children putting on their own shows. The view the library as a fun place and it sparks the imaginative play that research says is important for early literacy. It also helps entertain while older siblings use the library for more traditional purposes.

    Some things to avoid:
    Our school library will just tolerate lost books; the downside is instead of being up front, children miss recess, they invoice parents, etc but then when called out on it they lie. When budget cut came, the librarians were first to go partly because no parents trusted them (they claimed they never punished nor threatened punishment, yet my daughter missed over a month's recess over a book they misplaced).

    Contrast with our public library, has a program where you can read for an hour to take $x off of your account (for late fees, lost books, etc). They can read books, wikipedia, newspapers, magazines, etc; while aimed at children, adult can use it also which is helpful for low income people.

    Good luck!

  49. Make it an interactive experience by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Focus on turning the library into a social center. If you have the resources, set up a game lab where kids can come in and play. Have reading competitions with GOOD prizes for winners. Focus not on classics but the books kids are into even if that means putting Harry Potter titles out in front of Catcher in the Rye. Let clubs use the library as a place to meet if you have private rooms. If there are none, asthe kids that age what they do for fun. Maybe set up a game playing lunch hour or afterschool event for a popular title. You might even need to make separate, smaller, quiet reading areas and let the main areas be for louder, boisterous activities.

    A big part of what you're doing is getting people in the door FIRST; and I think you're going to have to compromise on the traditional ideas of a library to do it.

    --
    I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
  50. Resource Centre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apart from books (yes, the paper kind), go for a museum kind of thing. Have caterpillers so the kids can see them turn into butterflies. A fishtank with tropical fish. Have some interesting minerals, a slice of tree so they can see the rings. Throw in some arts and crafts, along with the things kids used to make. Whilst on the subject of history, how about slates, old style desk (with inkwells), old telephones (and string and tin can telephones), hand wound nail-and-wire electric motors, a camera obscura.

    Make it tactile. Make it a place of inspiration and wonder. A place which is noisy with the sound of kids discovering their own wonder at the richness of the world.

    And it doesn't need to be expensive, You can get stuff from donations from old people. Hey, you can even get the kids to make a lot of displays. Imagine a school where the kids can look at the library with pride and say "I helped make that". You might even find you'll end up with citizens who like to be involved with life and the community if you can get them to have fun in the place.

  51. make sure it functions as a Library first! by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

    have computers and such in a "study" area but have Yee Olde Shelves of Books

    For "fun" you may want to have a "Blackout Day" where all of the computers are turned OFF so they have to have learned how to work with actual BOOKS.

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  52. Remind students of the importance... by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

    of materials from verifiable and curated sources. Bring relevancy back to the library by making sure students understand that just because it's "on the Internet" that doesn't necessarily make it true. That's a place where books and encyclopedias still hold relevancy. Teach your students how to curate and verify their own sources so that when they DO have access, they know the difference. That will set them apart from the students from the 'higher-income' schools who were just turned loose on Google by some bored librarian who didn't care as much.

  53. Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an elementary school, put books in it. And, almost more importantly, a good librarian. There's no technological substitute for the inspiring advice of an adult when it comes to promoting reading among children.

  54. My Local Library by Shomra · · Score: 1

    It's hard to say for a school library, but my local library has done a very nice job re-inventing itself.
    Here are some of the aspects that seem to work well for us.

    - Public meeting space
    - Multiple levels of programming (senior, teen, ...)
    - A maker space area with production and 3D printing capabilities
    - Quasi day-care areas
    - Social areas with coffee/snacks
    - Multi-generational events
    - Invited speakers on special topics
    - Continuing education classes

    Actually, it's possible that school libraries could just become cooperatives with
    some other local resource such as a university or local library, or that the school
    becomes a resource for other than just school children.

    1. Re:My Local Library by mi · · Score: 2
      • Public meeting space
      • Multiple levels of programming (senior, teen, ...)
      • A maker space area with production and 3D printing capabilities
      • Quasi day-care areas
      • Social areas with coffee/snacks
      • Multi-generational events
      • Invited speakers on special topics
      • Continuing education classes

      Surely, you are well aware, what the "libra" part of the word library means (and it has nothing to do with weights)... But not one item on your long list mentions a book of any kind (papyrus, parchment, paper, electronic)...

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    2. Re:My Local Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it has all that then IT'S NOT A FUCKING LIBRARY. If you want to call it a social center, or a learning center, or a coffee bar then fine.

  55. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by rk · · Score: 1

    How is a book automatically granted the rank of pre-curated knowledge from established experts? Case in point: this and this.

    Just because it gets put onto dead trees doesn't mean it's not drivel.

  56. Make a space for a competent librarian by Hjalmar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking as a librarian, the single best thing you can do is budget for a librarian after you recreate the library as an technology explorer and innovation space, or whatever it is you have in mind.

    You can stuff the room full of computers, but if there isn't someone there with the special expertise in dealing with this user population, all that will happen is the space will be wasted.

  57. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wouldn't worry much about technology even then. Not even this "innovation" thing, honestly.

    What libraries do, have been doing for a few thousand years already, is preserve knowledge and make it accessible. Note how "innovation" is no part of that, though it can definitely benefit from knowledge, such as knowing what has been tried before.

    So I would tell librarians to find ways, innovative ways if they must, to bring reader and knowledge together. That is what libraries should be about.

    You don't do that with fifty flavours of version-bound program-screenshot books, or with so much other shoddy shelf filling crud you see in poorer (knowledge-wise) libraries. You don't do that with fancy (and expensive, and noisy) techno-toys and more such silliness. You don't do that with "innovation".

    You do it by reaching out to the reader.

  58. What about kid librarians too? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The other must have for a library is a librarian.

    I agree that's important, the other thing I think would be really cool would be a few volunteer librarians also. They would act as active librarians helping other kids find things, and would get a few hours out of classes per week... they could be trained in the evening.

    Basically a semi-kid run library might well be a resource more kids would use and find interesting.

    Also I'd fold some AV resources into the library for kids to create digital media.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:What about kid librarians too? by ignavusinfo · · Score: 1

      Woah. That's crazy talk. I don't think kids are allowed to learn stuff that's not on The Standardized Test. Next you'll be suggesting that older teens from the local high school could be library interns or something. Where will the madness end?

      In truth, of course, I'm wholeheartedly in favor of such schemes. We provide an outlet for sports and music and theater (and so on); it's important to provide a place for kids who are bookish to be bookish -- and to acknowledge that reading a book or looking something up, &c. is as noteworthy an accomplishment as scoring a goal or even creating something tangible, i.e., that the reading of the book is the point not merely a means to some other end. But then I also think that there should be industrial arts and home economics, even for young kids.

    2. Re:What about kid librarians too? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      But then I also think that there should be industrial arts and home economics, even for young kids.

      One of the best things my parents did for me, was to make my sister and I start making supper for the family once a week when we sere still in grade school... we had to pick out a meal to make, and make most of it (with help). It was so useful going to college (and later in life) knowing how to cook and having a lot of practical experience.

      Also lots of teenagers are hungry all the time and it's great if you can just cook something like an egg for yourself.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    3. Re:What about kid librarians too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next thing you know he'll be wanting the kids to pick up after themselves and take care of the school grounds. What is this, communist Japan?

  59. How To Reimagine a Library? Very Simple by lorinc · · Score: 2

    Design a clean API and stick to well known coding standards.

    This is /., no need to read more than the title.

  60. Computers with only Zork and Lynx by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Make them actually learn something while using the computers. Most library catalogs can be accessed with lynx anyways, and Zork will at least force them to read and write.

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    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  61. reimagine it with funding and a librarian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since you are tasked with reimagining the school library and don't know who to ask, your school obviously lacks funding and a librarian. The first thing to do is get funding from anywhere you can: grants, awards, sponsorship--anything. You need your school to hire at least a part time school librarian--they are teachers and librarians, and they will help kids learn to work with information and develop critical thinking skills.These are the skills needed to have a chance at being successful in contemporary society. These are skills they wont learn elsewhere because we keep teachers too busy preparing students for the next standardized test.

    A qualified school librarian and functioning library account for up to 20% of the variability in student achievement. See more research at the American Association of School Librarians

      Low-income students are already academically disadvantaged. Don't make it worse by going along with plans to gut whatever your administrators deem "unnecessary." Think about it::rich kids are browsing books, using tablets, using computers to play on the web, watching and creating videos, and checking out laptops at their school libraries. They are learning to be curious about the world and investigate it--becoming internally motivated to learn. Your kids need a working library more than other students precisely because they are low-income and wont otherwise have these opportunities. So stuff that place with all the donated books and computers you can get.

    Don't expect your students to catch up with their peers later, after society has already given up on them. Bother anyone who will listen you about this, and don't back down.

    There's no struggle for school libraries to remain relevant. They help kids learn the most essential skills for today's world. The return on investment is high. The only struggle is to keep society from divesting from kids' futures.

  62. Creation, not just consumption by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I totally agree with everyone about books, lots of books. Still a good thing, kids still read real books all over even if they have tablets.

    But if you are talking about ways to make a library better, what about more heavily helping to promote the idea of content creation rather than just consumption?

    A library is about knowledge, why should it not also be about aiding others in sharing knowledge?

    Here I'm thinking:

    1) Writing classes, either during school or after hours (or both).

    2) Book making classes, as in how to bind a book with photos you bring in or pages that you print on library printers.

    3) 3D printing stuff possibly?? Possibly too early for that yet.

    4) Equipment to help the kids shoot videos they can save onto some kind of school S3 account, with green-sceen backdrops, a few props and tables/chairs along with computers with video editing software. (and by "computers" I mean an iMac or two unless you want to spend a LOT of time administering them).

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  63. Betteridge's law of headlines by chris200x9 · · Score: 0

    No.

  64. "Catalog Store" concept by digitalhermit · · Score: 2

    You know, I'm really old fashioned and like to browse books. Electronic browsing is not quite the same, however. What I have thought about doing:

    On laminated plastic boards, about the height and width of a standard paperback but about as thick as a piece of cardboard, print out the covers of all sorts of books front and back. Use an RFID or QR Code sticker that can retrieve the book from the digital library. Place all the "books" on a browseable shelf. As a kid, browsing the local used book store or library was one of the few pleasures I could afford. I think this would meld the convenience and cost savings of a digital library with the fun of browsing a physical item.

  65. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    touché.

    The subject was English!

  66. A safe place and a research coach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I an not underestimating the value of books, computers, tablets, and other artifacts of knowledge I would suggest that two of the most important elements of a library for the kids you want to server are a safe quite place to study and collaborate and a person that can help them develop the research skills they need to be successful.

  67. Roadkill on the information highway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Books and physically manipulating things are still the best tools for kids to learn. Throwing in electronic stuff really does not mean more advanced understanding.

    Most of the kids unleashed onto the information highway too early are to become information roadkill -- they just can't handle the super trucks swooping by and got sucked under the wheels. Reading physical books, doing actual calculations, writing detailed articles, slowly, over and over, teach them the driving skills needed to survive the onslaught of the omnipresent web.

    I really don't think all the skills needed to do research online need to be taught to kids that early. A couple of weeks of getting amazed by google should be all it's needed for any reasonable kid to start research online. But it's much harder to distill information on their own, so that they can find things that the collective internet still are not able to understand yet -- or are intentionally hidden.

  68. Earn money and buy them "resources" by mi · · Score: 1

    But this school has mostly low-income students who don't have the sort of high-tech resources at home that we all take for granted

    If you are as qualified as to be able to affect a library's decisions, why don't you spend more time workingearn the money to buy your charges some low-cost earlier-generation tablets? Walmart lists a 7" Android tablet for $65 and you may be able to get an even better deal buying in bulk (or buying last year's cheapest). Just be sure, each family buys their own, rather than have them collectively-owned (and thus neglected).

    This, really, is a solved problem and may even fit the library's budget — the budget you were going to spend on something else instead.

    By turning your whole library for the poorest visitors, you are making it even more likely, that normal people will stay away...

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  69. Do they still run book fairs? by Marrow · · Score: 1

    I remember as a kid, some of the best books I had came from purchasing books at a book fair held at the school. Do they still have them? Maybe the profits from bookfairs would help you in your other endeavors.
    You want to interest people in the world of ideas. Don't try to push them towards technology....thats the idea you have specialized on.
    Think scholars, not geeks.

  70. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    Yes, there's a lot of drivel in published books. The signal-to-noise ratio is *still* immensely better than random posts off the internet.

  71. You're asking in the wrong place. by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most of us haven't been in a school library in years, unless we have kids who are of that age.

    There are a *lot* of librarian mailing lists out there ... if you want the geek perspective, try code4lib. They won't suggest that you try to hack together your own loan system using smartphones & barcode readers. (they'll instead tell you about the one they made that you can have a copy of)

    Most of the innovation in library spaces is happening in public & college libraries these days, adding makerspaces or going high-tech ... but that's not applicable to an elementary school. I wouldn't even suggest it for a high school (where you'd have seperate computer labs, shop classes, home ec., etc.)

    I wouldn't even bother with educating them on the benefits of real, deep research vs. satisficing with the top hit from Google ... leave that for middle or high school. In elementary school, just focus on making reading accessible and fun.

    The only thing that you I think is wrong with school libraries is that they're closed in summer, so the books are sitting going to waste. I'd love to see there be better coordination between our local school & library systems, but our current library system is so disfunctional that I don't see that changing without them getting rid of the director who thought it was a good idea to fire all of the branch managers.

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  72. Re:I work for a public high school. Grades 6-12. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a feeling almost none of what you just mentioned will be relevant to a low income area elementary school.

  73. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by fermion · · Score: 1

    Thinking of this problem, it seems that k-6 is a pretty wide development scale. One problem is education is that everything is built for like 4-7, about 9-12 year old. Before that it is specialized early childhood. After that it is the equally mysterious teen age years. Both require a special set of practices, so most of the research that want to say 'one size fits all' is the 9-12 age. So I would have a library that uses technology to engage the younger kids in the process of the library. Last time I was an adult in a k-6 library, most of the books were for the later grades. The earlier grades need manipulative, they need to read, they need to create. While sitting in a group and raptly listening to someone read, maybe project and have kids try to read, or write predictions about what will happen, or the like. I would say be creative, try to combine technology and non-technology. The older kids have to read. They have to learn how to learn with computer. Keep games for the sake of games to a minimum. In middle and high school they are going to have use the computer to gain knowledge.

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  74. Tech is a money pit for schools by wronkiew · · Score: 1

    Whatever you do, don't blow the school's money on a project that is going to be obsolete in five years. Obsolescence should be matched to your annual budget. For example, if you have $1000 a year to spend on something that will last three years, make sure you can replace it for ~$3000. No annual budget? Just buy books.

  75. makerspaces by EngineeringStudent · · Score: 1

    Maker spaces are inexpensive. Their capital cost is low. Given your audience, it can be lower than conventional, because you might use less resources.
    Maker spaces are about self-teaching, and research. How do you do .
    Maker spaces engage the community, and are about people in different "groups" interacting. Diversity in action - not about institutionalized anything, just those who can do no matter what they look like - its about making, not race/age/social-status/et cetera.

    Maker spaces are about teaching. Those who can, both do and teach. Peers mastering and teaching others one on one, or in a larger quasi-formal setting. How do I do x? How do I do it safely? How do I do it in a way that stages me to be able to do the next thing? Don't just stand me on the shoulders of a giant, let me walk a ramp between shoulders of successively larger giants until one day I find that I am one of them and I have somehow, by doing what I love, been a giant whose shoulders others have walked.

    Making is several things at once. Software, programming, electronics prototyping, CAD, hardware ...

    Books are critical. How do I program in Python, Javascript, assembler, or on this particular widget.
    How do I solder, sew, or saw this piece of stuff into the shape that I wanted? What software does it take to make the STL file, to put into the makerbot to make a cutie mark for Twilight Sparkle? What if I want to make a 3d picture of myself - how do I do that? What about making my own mini-strandbeest?

    I see arduino, robotics, computer programming, makerbots, origami, kits, knitting/macrame/quilting, kites rockets and LED lights as very "typically makerspace" materials. Books on all of those subject are welcome.

    How to make your own notebook is important. Teaching documentation of the process is important for makers/inventors/engineers. We learn more when we capture what we did and we think about how to make it better.

    Engaging the modern "buzz" is a common past-time. Deconstruct the new i-thing and make one yourself, even if it has 1% of the actual function and 1% of the cost. What will I find if I take this apart? How do I put this valuable thing together, or make my own that does a passable job?

    Here are some links.
    http://makerspace.com/
    http://www.heatsynclabs.org/
    http://gangplankhq.com/labs/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    http://3dprintingindustry.com/...

    1. Re:makerspaces by EngineeringStudent · · Score: 1

      I could imagine a knex (or make-it-yourself *nex) being very common in such a place. Also glues. And tapes. Not just scotch - there are dozens of breeds of tapes because they each do something important well.

    2. Re: makerspaces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    3. Re:makerspaces by EngineeringStudent · · Score: 1

      I could see this being useful for a high-school variation on the Johns Hopkins undergraduate spaghetti bridge contest.
      http://www.jhu.edu/virtlab/spa...

      Yes this is pre-secondary education, but these kids could make a bridge of popsicle sticks and elmers - they get the fundamentals.

      They should be given a budget of "plastic weight" for a makerbot fabricated bridge. This would add things like "dispense speed" and such to the overall bridge, but the manufacturing would be consistent across all bridges. It would also allow something a spaghetti bridge contest could not allow: measurement of uncertainty by replication. You could exactly replicate a bridge and determine not only a single sample of its performance but its mean and variance.

      I think statistical design of experiments is amazingly accessible - I could have understood it in 3rd grade - but it is not taught there. It is the (THE) fundamental course for science ... all of science. Nobody is teaching it to third graders and they should be. A maker-space in a public school, especially accessible to science teachers - would be highly valuable for hands-on practice in something like statistical design of experiments.

      Ideas like "central tendency" and "spreading tendency" are accessible to a kid with a slingshot. If they can shoot a slingshot they can understand the idea. If they can be made to practice the idea early, that can be very empowering for STEM careers later.

      Yes, I am commenting on my comment. I just really am inspired by the utility of this idea.

  76. Well, for one thing by Kimomaru · · Score: 1

    Do away with the Dewey Decimal system. For god's sakes, what a tedious waste to have to go to a card catalog and look things up. How does Barnes and Noble or ANY bookstore get by without it? The Dewey Decimal System is job security of librarians. Bah!!!

    1. Re:Well, for one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever asked someone working at Barnes & Noble to find a specific sub section? They can tell you the major groupings but that's it.

  77. Reimagine a Library by old+data · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the new digital library in San Antonio. It has addressed some the problems that you have described.

  78. My recommended book list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - The Design of Everyday Things
    - Goedel, Escher, Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid
    - Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
    - Biochemistry
    - Feynman's Physics Lectures
    - Encyclopedia Britannica (I know this one is going to be controversial, but I stand by it)

    Throw in some technical manuals e.g. ARM's assembly reference and let it simmer.

  79. Coaches - invest in experts first, tech later by FutureMakers · · Score: 1

    Innovation and exploration rarely happens without coaches. Coaching in school-based tech / lab / makerspaces - especially school libraries - is a path that progressive education programs are beginning to follow. Volunteers aren't enough.

    First, make a few small bets with some experts who are educators and technologists, create a series of project-based workshops - you may find them with a regional arts integration / residency roster.

    Once you've had some great sessions, invest in partnerships with a number of providers - either enrichment / OST or in-school - who have the capacity to bring skilled coaches.

    These activities and workshops will help determine what tech / tools you should bring into the library space.

    If you're in the mid-atlantic region, look up http://www.kidsmakethingsbette... - we serve public and school libraries.

    maker ed is your way to go - http://www.makered.org/

  80. Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "THEIR is nothing wrong with good old fashioned books!"

    Yes indeed. You should try reading some... idiot.

  81. Borges by sinktank · · Score: 1

    "The universe (which others call the Library) is composed of an indefinite, perhaps infinite number of hexagonal galleries. In the center of each gallery is a ventilation shaft, bounded by a low railing. From any hexagon one can see the floors above and below-one after another, endlessly. The arrangement of the galleries is always the same: Twenty bookshelves, five to each side, line four of the hexagon's six sides; the height of the bookshelves, floor to ceiling, is hardly greater than the height of a normal librarian. One of the hexagon's free sides opens onto a narrow sort of vestibule, which in turn opens onto another gallery, identical to the first - identical in fact to all. To the left and right of the vestibule are two tiny compartments. One is for sleeping, upright; the other, for satisfying one's physical necessities. Through this space, too, there passes a spiral staircase, which winds upward and downward into the remotest distance. In the vestibule there is a mirror, which faithfully duplicates appearances. Men often infer from this mirror that the Library is not infinite - if it were, what need would there be for that illusory replication? I prefer to dream that burnished surfaces are a figuration and promise of the infiniteLight is provided by certain spherical fruits that bear the name "bulbs." There are two of these bulbs in each hexagon, set crosswise. The light they give is insufficient, and unceasing."

    - The Library of Babel, Jorge Luis Borges

  82. Do this: by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    1. Get something like a WD MyNet N900 Central.
    2. Set it up so that it is an open WIFI network
    3. Set it up so that guest users cannot write to the drive
    4. Load the drive to the gunnels with ebooks
    5. put a few wifi laptops or tablets around the library and set them to read the drive.
    6. Post the Guest User password in prominent place.
    7. Let them learn.

    Done. Total Cost? About $150. Get the ebooks for free. There's jillions of places to get those....

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  83. Wish Google would respect our well-crafted queries by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    Yes, learning how to properly structure queries is vital, but it doesn't help that Google keeps changing the rules and doesn't always respect your query elements.

    For example, you can read about how Google replaced the plus-sign operator with quotation marks: http://www.seochat.com/c/a/goo...

    But what's worse than that: sometimes Google just plain ignores the quotation marks you put in your query. They're supposed to mean that each search result must contain the search term that you've surrounded with quotes. Nope, lately I've been getting a lot of search results that just don't contain the term in quotes.

    Other search capabilities are going away, too. For example, eBay dropped support for wildcard searches... and posted some lame workarounds that just don't get the job done: http://blog.ebay.com/working-a...

    Please help fight against this trend toward dumbed-down search!

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  84. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, why did the library become a place to, "foster innovation and technology?" It's something to allow kids to READ.

    IF tech helps them accomplish that, great, if not, not a good idea at all.

  85. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    How is a book automatically granted the rank of pre-curated knowledge from established experts?

    I don't know what pre-curated means, but if it's in a library, it's because some librarian or someone decided that book was high enough quality to put into a library. That's worth something right there, the librarian is filtering a lot of the drivel.

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  86. Hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rid of the computers and fill it with books on core fundamentals. Combine this with classes on critical reasoning. Then give them computers.

  87. I like posts like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The adult version of "do my homework for me" i.e. "do my job for me".

    Awesome. I hope you give accreditations to slashdot users when the library re-opens.

  88. A place people WANT to read / learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most important feature of modern libraries is a great space to read and learn. Put "Google interior design" into google images and let that be your inspiration. Lots of spaces for individual and small group learning that people just love to spend time in.

    When information is ubiquitous, the essence of a great library is a great place to absorb that information.

  89. whollycrap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    way to save your job!
    one nice thing in reading this thread. nobody has any good ideas... most librarians don't know dick about the kids they serve... most librarian jobs were wiped out during the last recession and... no net effect to the negative!

  90. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by EngineeringStudent · · Score: 2

    One or two good EMP's and 99.95% of the e-books are gone forever. Floppy discs and CD-rom's last a few decades, perhaps. Paper lasts ~500 years or so.
    One of these three is much more resilient to disaster than the other two.

  91. Books by cfulton · · Score: 1

    You should make it a place with Books that the kids can take home for some period of time and read. Then they return them so others can also use them. The idea is revolutionary.

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  92. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by cnkurzke · · Score: 1

    as others pointed out - book in library means that someone else curated the content, made a conscious decision.

    also - publishing a book is somewhat more of a higher investment for the author and should result on average in more thought out content.

    Unlike a website which everyone can pretty much put up for free, to publish a book requires personal effort, financial commitment and the ability to convince a publisher to put their brand and money on the line.
    Yes, there's always an exception to this (http://www.amazon.com/Dianetics-Modern-Science-Mental-English/dp/140314446X) but on average there is more knowledge per page than the internet (http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Mathematics-I-N-Bronshtein/dp/3540434917)

  93. Remember the POINT, not the method by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    I see too many projects like this confuse the messenger and the message.

    The point of a library is not the books; that was merely the method for delivering information (and entertainment, one hopes) in bulk to students.

    The library can still do that, although the industrial-era compromise of 'having this all in one place' is quickly becoming silly. Do you know what serves the function of a library in today's schools? The wifi network itself. Why should there be a separate room everyone goes to for information? How prehistoric.

    Provide kids in the school with a robust and powerful network. Provide them with the tools to easily access this wherever in school that they may need information. Provide them with an education in the basics, certainly, but my guess is that even kids with allegedly "poor tech skills" are light years ahead of most of their teachers. More importantly, provide them with the conceptualization of information in 'internet space', taking into account organization, the importance of search methodology to get useful information quickly and (very importantly!) a conceptual method to evaluate the reliability of the information they see. Many schools blanket-ban the use of wiki as a source for papers; this is idiotic. The use of wiki and other such sources is part of the world today; to tell a kid to write a paper without referencing them would be like a teacher telling us years ago that we had to write with our toes - more than a little silly. The use of wiki is a huge teachable moment to discuss real questions about information, propaganda, and viewer-manipulation that should resonate to ALL aspects of a child's life (not just on their use of the internet).

    Don't get caught up in iconodule bibliophilia: the books themselves are not the point, and today's kids have an ENTIRELY different relationship to technology than we (in my mid 40s) do or did.

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  94. noisy and quiet parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Libraries nowdays aren't just for being quiet and studying, but that is still an important functional requirement.

    Games, music, laughter can all be a part of a space in the library but if physical space allows, also plan for some walled off (maybe compact or even small/high) quiet space that would remain as quiet as possible in the case of louder activity. Make them in a few sizes if possible. Oftentimes these 'study rooms' have windows for supervision, but frosted or waved glass walls could create a sense of stillness and reflection as well.

    To handle the cases of tech, provide a way to check it in and out of the circulation system and monitor it to prevent theft with more diligence than books but otherwise, treat it like any other resource and just have policies that make it fairly available.

  95. Make reading fun and rewarding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adapt technology.

    lend out ebooks, give out librarybox, load TED and free courses into TV sticks and pass them out.

    Organize activities that reward reading, guide students create more contents after readings, writings, movies, podcasts, ...

    More important is let people think other than just read.

  96. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to help get basic reading skills, there's nothing like having read-aloud sessions. In particular, have kids in grade "n" read to kids in grade "n-2" on a regularly scheduled basis, in a cozy environment with lots of pillows and stuffed toys.
    And, to resolve the boundary condition problem, have parent volunteers read to kids in the top two grades, and don't require kindergartners or 1st graders to read, just to be read to.

  97. Library Mascot by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    Jim Davis of Garfield fame gave my middle school library permission to use Garfield as our official mascot. This meant that not only could we use all the pre-made Garfield library posters (and at the time there were a lot of those) but the librarians could also draw him on custom posters and have a giant mural of him on one wall without fear of lawsuits. The letter he gave us granting us permission was on Garfield letterhead and framed in the librarian's office.

    I'd write a nice letter to Nintendo of America and ask if you could have a Pokemon themed library. They'll probably say yes, and if they say no it's because they are total jerks who hate children.

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  98. Seth Godin - nailed it by jamej · · Score: 1

    Go over to Seth Godin's blog. He had a great article about what a modern library should be. It was published last year some time but, well worth the read. Please check it out. sincerely, Jim

  99. Struggling to remain relevant- Says who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work outside of the USA in international schools. I manage tech for two schools right now. My last job I worked for one school full-time and 5 others as a consultant on various things. I can say without a doubt that the library is one of the busiest spaces in all the schools I have been in, in the last 10 years. This includes schools in the USA, Hong Kong, Japan, China, the UAE, QATAR- I could go on. Not only that, the tech that powers the library manages textbooks, resources you checkout, ebooks, laptop carts, and pretty much anything you want to track and set a deadline on. Ebooks are so hard to manage legally because of their licensing, so libraries are feverishly trying to stay current and grab as much physical space as possible. The volume of print materials is extremely high, and the orders from departments have increased significantly in the last few years.

    Unfortunately, the books schools need for an AP curriculum, Standard North American curriculum (this is one based on a state or region in the US or Canada), the IB curriculum, the IGCSE, etc. are inconsistent in the mediums they choose. For example, one IB course might have an ebook available, where another might only have a textbook which is available from one publisher, and then another might have 2-3 options for books. This means that the library needs to store all the requirements and options.

    Finally, most third-party assessments are requiring students to submit research and evidence of research from databases which are not public. These are most affordable if packaged through the library management system. So many libraries I have seen recently have a classroom for teaching students how to do their research on these databases, and properly document the information.

    I helped redesign a library about two years ago. We removed most of the small privacy tables and installed long tables with power in the center to allow students to work with their laptops. We installed some sofa's with power next to them, but they were positioned so the screens of laptops face out (helps with the gaming addicts), we quadrupled the Wifi, and we took as many items as we could and digitized them so the students could watch, listen, etc online via streaming.

    That library is currently now out of space, and needs to hold another 50 students every studyhall.

    If anything we need to build larger spaces for students to work and get resources quickly, instead of building massive classrooms for them to sleep in.

  100. How many dictionaries does your library have? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember going to the library and pulling out various dictionaries. Their print was different. Their binding was different. The words they contained were different. Even their definitions of words were different. Being able to compare items, both in their intended purpose (definition of words) and in other characteristics (easy to read; number of definitions of each words; different origins of the same word, weight of book, smell of book, smell of pages, durability of pages,etc) was a good life lesson and educational that electronic media cannot match.

  101. Define "library" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By library, do You mean:
    (1) Google.com,
    (2) A place where You check out paper books,
    (3) A place where You load eBooks onto standard readers,
    (4) A place where copyright pigs make all learning impossible,
    (5) A hacker space, or
    (6) A collection of all the world's knowledge on PCs?

    I have experience with #5 and #6.

    For #5: Have an elderly engineer bring in all his toys, and have him on call to help the kids understand how to build what they want. Some sort of safety lock should prevent the 3rd graders from amputating anything important.

    For #6: Download every moderately useful PDF available on the torrents, and organize them. (come back 10 years later when You are finished.) Keep this archive on a decently powerful computer (because You will be format shifting lots of stuff) with a dozen hard disks in it. (rack mount cases are nice.) Keep backups on USB hard disks that are stored off-site. Give every PC read-only access to the files.

  102. Did my master's in edutech- Here's what works. by Peterus7 · · Score: 1
    I did my Master's thesis on successful implementations of educational technology.

    One of the most successful implementations in a library was done in a low income high school in the Tacoma area. I had the amazing opportunity to interview the guy who ran it, and his story went like this- When he inherited the library from a kindly old librarian, it had become a place where students took naps. What he did was he moved the bookshelves out of the way, created a circular desk in the middle, and had four rows of computers, monitors facing him. He could see what information students were interacting with and if need be, police it, but he rarely had to.

    Normally when I go to a library, I see a bunch of teenagers on facebook, youtube, etc. These kids were looking up blogs, wikipedia, etc. He explained that the first thing he did was integrate with the teachers, and ask if they wanted web quests, or similar web integration. He had a real talent for coming up with all sorts of cool online activities that could be easily integrated into a curriculum, and teachers were constantly giving him material to work with- if a student was struggling or wanted to do work on their own, he'd take them. This did mean a lot of extra work on his end, but the implementation was worth it. Not only was he getting students engaged with the material, he was helping students gain digital literacy.

    I don't know how much you could take away from this for an elementary school library, but there's a lot to be said about finding cool online integration for whatever the teachers are working with- and that's huge. If you are in alignment with the teacher's curriculum, you'll have a much better chance of being successful. Also, the big thing he said he owed everything on was administration support, so best of luck with that side.

  103. Make a library a place to go by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

    What ideas do you have to turn an elementary school library into an environment that fosters innovation and technology?

    I'm really worried about this whole endeavor if you're asking that question. A library shouldn't need to foster âoeinnovation and technologyâ. If you want to foster innovation and technology build a technology lab. Libraries should be a place students can borrow books and other media to enjoy. It sounds like you've got an earmarked budget for one thing (libraries) and you're trying to shoehorn it into another area (technology).

    Now if technology is your buzzword that draws funding then add media besides books to the catalog. Pick up some cheap (and/or durable) televisions and DVD players with DVDs of educational shows like Reading Rainbow. Put a few donated computers loaded with educational software in the back. LTSP terminals instead of full desktops might even be more survivable.

    If you want to get really innovative and technological you could add hobby projects to the list of things students could check out. Hobby project kits like Arduino and Raspberry Pi. You could even lend out eletronic science lab kits. Besides stocking science and electronic books for kids sync up with a local Maker group and have them come in for special electronics lectures and demonstrations.

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  104. Public Access To New Technologies by KylePena · · Score: 1

    There's no longer any sense in offering things that everyone can access for free from the comfort of their own home. So I say forget that libraries have books in them. Put things in libraries that are not practical for everyone to own but everyone wants access to. Like, for instance, 3D printers. Or just rare books. Or local historical records. Nicer teleconferencing areas for small businesses that can't afford them. Etc., etc.

  105. classic literature on flash by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    ...is something I did for my kids. It's very simple: load the Gutenberg library onto a self-booting flash drive that'll run on any x86-compatible machine with a usb port. It has space remaining on it for user data as well, so school projects &c can be stored on it and mirrored on a central server so even if the flash drive gets lost or stolen, the work is still accessible.

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  106. Innovate the space and resources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Innovate the two things people think about when thinking about libraries:
    1) The physical space. Griffith University have recently done a good job of this, have a look here for an idea. People still want a place to study, access to power points, comfy couches, seats, beanbags, meeting rooms, whiteboards, silent spaces, access to TV's, movies, documentaries, computers, electronic resources
    2) The resources: More electronic resources, access to electronic journals, access to library materials from offsite, loans of ipads and laptops as well as books and resources.

  107. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are lots of innovations that can help kids read and access information, other than making everything 'digital'. Internet access is definitely important, but even many low-income homes have some form of it nowadays. Libraries allow children to access resources they can't elsewhere.

    There are lots of children's magazines and comics which you can subscribe to cheaply or buy up back issues in bulk on eBay. Older elementary school children love books on cars, dinosaurs, various history things, how about the 'piece work' magazines on this type of stuff. Free daily newspapers which might be rather trivial for adults could be accessible and stimulating for kids in the final grades of elementary, same for magazines on pop music.

    Lots of children's books come with CDs nowadays. Could there be a good way for children to listen to those and/or watch DVDs in the library? I have seen standalone mp3 players which play a single book and only cost a few dollars, little enough to be taken home.

    Dictionaries, both in English and between two languages, books in foreign languages and bilingual books are essential if you have many students whose first language is not English, and could still be popular among other children, especially if it's a language they are interested in/going to study.

    As a couple of people have said one of the most important resources in libraries is librarians. You might not know what your students want to research until they come to you, but you need to have good starting points to show them - eg. paper encyclopedias, Wikipedia, help with web searching, other reference books. Then you just need to be open to getting them the books or other resources they need when they've told you what they want.

  108. Re:Wish Google would respect our well-crafted quer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, and then you also need a brain to help distinguish the good information from the bad. Even if you're not an expert on the subject matter, a rather well-educated person (filling the librarian role, for example) can pick up on the subtle clues in the search results that help pinpoint the accurate, relevant, important and trustworthy information from the rest; and help make the best of the search results provided.

    I can't remember the exact details, but I read an article by a teacher at a school's science convention trying to convince one of the students that her exposition stand on the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide was actually a hoax, and explaining the truth of what it actually was. The student stood her ground firmly, shrugged of what this teacher said with something along the lines of "This is what my research said". So, yes, she did use a somewhat proper research procedure, and probably contrasted different search results and compiled data and whatnot, but this particular hoax is so widespread and so well propagated that it wasn't easy for her to realize it was a load of crap.

    Point being, she could have used some guidance when doing her research to filter out this kind of misinformation.

  109. Help with their homework by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

    Get a group of volunteers - perhaps parents - to be there every day after classes, to help with homework. Often, kids with little resources at home also struggle to get their schoolwork done; and trying alone often means failing alone.

    Give these kids a place to go where they can get help with their homework and pick up school-related knowledge. They not only need it, but a library or "knowledge center" is also the perfect place to do it. Give the concept a more clear-cut name, like "homework cafe" or similar.

    With this role it is easy to incorporate the role of the library in the minds of kids and parents. It becomes something essential for them (at least for the kids who decide this is useful to them) and it becomes a "community project" at the same time, making it easier for you to seek additional resources like volunteers and cash. Mixing books and information technology into this concept should not only be easy but a necessity.

    - Jesper

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    My security clearance is so high I have to kill myself if I remember I have it...
  110. I'd get all the dictionaries. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Get all the dictionaries and if any of them say "reimagine" is a word throw them away. Or at least cross it out.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  111. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    One or two good EMP's and 99.95% of the e-books are gone forever. Floppy discs and CD-rom's last a few decades, perhaps. Paper lasts ~500 years or so.
    One of these three is much more resilient to disaster than the other two.

    Depends on the disaster. You could probably keep the entire library on a Terabyte drive and easily afford 2 or 3 spares, including offsite backup. And, as far as I'm aware (which isn't very), an EMP would only fry the controller electronics and leave the media intact. Though, fortunately, EMPs are not an everyday occurrence and hopefully won't become one. Lightning strikes on the other hand...

    Conversely, paper books burn quite well, as Ray Bradbury once noted. They even provide their own fuel. I can personally attest to what a flood will do to them, and then of course, there are roaches, silverfish, bookworms, and so forth.

    There are two ways to be "resilent". One is in the durability of the current media, one is in the durability of the content. Physical paper is durable physically, but replicating what's printed on it is a non-trivial task, and even if you did back up your dead tree books with spares, they'd still require a lot of physical space and climate control. On the other hand, I have files that were originally created on 8-inch floppy disks. I have doubts that after all these years I could still make those old drives in the garage read them (much less the computer with the controller that operates them), but since I migrated the content from media to media over the years, I still have the information, even though the original physical media is now essentially useless.

  112. Do away with the copyright laws! by Katatsumuri · · Score: 1

    That's how I would really like to re-imagine the libraries today.

    Sorry for the rant loosely related to the specific problem. It just hurts too much to see this artificial scarcity, nonsensical legal prosecutions... Oh, and while you are at it, do away with the censorship, too.

  113. No, it's after-care by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    No, you have after care *in* the library.

    If you think about it, most sports teams are after-care for the kids, but with this one, there's little chance of injury and the kids aren't missing class on a regular basis to go on bus trips to other schools.

    Personally, I think it's a great idea; when I was 2nd through 4th grade, I went to a DoDDS (Department of Defense Dependent Schooling) school in Europe -- on the days that my mom was working at Family Services (basically a thrift store) on the base, we'd have to kill time ... choir practice, library, rec. center, bowling alley, etc. Sometimes we'd go and visit my mom or dad at their work, but mostly we'd hang out with the other kids who were in a similar situation.

    If you get to the kids early enough, and teach them to appreciate the library, I think you've got a chance. My local library system has a policy of intentionally *not* opening up libraries near high schools, because of the kids who come in there and goof off and talk back to the librarians when they're told to calm down.

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    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  114. Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's full of books then it's a library otherwise it isn't. You're not reimagining a library, you're converting it into something else - would you add a swimming pool to it and still say it's a library?

  115. ILLiad is indispensable by bitterblackale · · Score: 1

    Not everything can be had from Google or Amazon. For doing academic research three things are absolutely required of a library: JSTOR, ILLiad/OCLC, and somebody who can help people use them. I regularly use ILLiad at my public library to borrow books from Universities and bigger libs in other states (sometimes other countries!). Libraries that participate in ILLiad can boast of having the largest collection in the world. For library operations, look into overhead-cutting software like Evergreen.

  116. What is the goal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to look at how we use the library rather than trying to reimagine the library. What are the goals for your library? What do you want it to contribute to the school?
    One use is developing reading skills. Another is developing research skills. Another is developing research skills. What is most important in an elementary school library?
    Much research says developing reading is key for elementary schools. And reading is a bigger problem in low income schools. So, how can you use your elementary school library to do a better job developing reading skills? Technology isn't the problem and isn't the solution, but may play a role in the library.
    Simply reading is key to developing reading. How do you get kids in the library and read the books?
    Some posters have suggested after care and such to get kids in the library and they will read by default. What other programs could you have?
    Our school uses the Accelerated Reader (AR) program with great success. Kids read a book, take a small quiz for comprehension, and get points for each book they read. They get recognition by getting their name on the wall for different point levels and an award in assembly at the end of the year. And kids are required to accumulate a minimum number of points. Our school has good parent involvement so there is a lot of encouragement/coercion to get kids to read. In other schools you may need more salesmanship, staff involvement and follow up with students to insure they get their points.
    What other programs can you use to build reading?
    For AR, the quizzes are done, and results are tracked on computers. So technology is a facilitator, but the key is the program. And reading is done with traditional books at our school.
    As an aside, my children are big readers. I have tried, but they won't use ebooks. They say the ebook reading experience is too distracting, and they prefer traditional books. Providing ebooks might be an enticement for some kids, so it could be an option, but having a good program would be the biggest factor to get kids in the library and reading and thereby improving reading skills.

  117. Re:Make sure the have basic English reading skills by captainlavender · · Score: 1

    I think the idea here is that one helps accomplish the other...

  118. Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A library is a resource. For kids, it can be something to turn too when they are curious or even upset. It can be used to guide them towards discovery in all ways of all things. Perhaps, the kids should be the ones to decide what their library will become. What do they want to do? I say give provisions to their interests, wherever they are in their interests. They may not know how much they enjoy something until they try it. Being able to find ways to their own interests is something they should find in a library, which is like a hub. The library is an inviting and open place, how will this library express that to children? What are they to find when they enter this library? Having an array of electronics, books and games, etc is not enough. It needs a strong community to be something. What is a resource but a collective of information? Collective, Community, Resources.