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Military Electronics That Shatter Into Dust On Command

First time accepted submitter MAE Keller writes "Two U.S. companies are joining a military research program to develop sensitive electronic components able to self-destruct on command to keep them out of the hands of potential adversaries who would attempt to counterfeit them for their own use. From the article: 'Last Friday DARPA awarded a $2.1 million contract to PARC, and a $3.5 million contract to IBM for the VAPR program, which seeks to develop transient electronics that can physically disappear in a controlled, triggerable manner.'"

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  1. BUCK FETA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also, fuck beta!

    1. Re:BUCK FETA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I heard Buck Feta is the son of Boba Fett in the next Star Wars movie.

    2. Re:BUCK FETA by richlv · · Score: 2

      oh, maybe it could shatter into DUST

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      Rich
    3. Re:BUCK FETA by arth1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Beta is to Classic as Jar-Jar Binks is to Boba Fett.

    4. Re:BUCK FETA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      C'mon now, that just isnt fair. Jar Jar was at lest better looking and more informed then Beta. Also Jar Jar added some value, unlike Beta.

    5. Re:BUCK FETA by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Boba Fett* was horrible at his job.

      *BOBA FEETS!

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    6. Re:BUCK FETA by psyclone · · Score: 1

      What "value" did Jar Jar add?

    7. Re:BUCK FETA by ixidor · · Score: 2

      target practice.. has to be worth somehting greater than 0 ?

    8. Re:BUCK FETA by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      Seriously no button to Post as Anonymous Coward. What the fucking fuckity fuck?

      Try no login at all...yes, I'm using IE8 (stuck with it at work, don't ask), but still.

      No login, no options to switch to 'classic view' because none of the fancy new menus show up...at least if I log in via the classic site, posts on the beta site are identified (as you said though, with no 'post anon' option), but as soon as the classic site goes away for good, I'm hooped. And yeah, the flow and readability is a joke on the new site, and an especially bad one at that with IE8...

      Guess my coffee breaks will get boring... :( Or, I suppose, I could actually go out and talk to ppl...hmmm...naah.

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    9. Re:BUCK FETA by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      I for one.

    10. Re:BUCK FETA by ArcadeNut · · Score: 1

      As an old timer, let me say that I don't mind change, as long as it's an Improvement. If it's change just for the sake of change, or the change makes things WORSE, then yes, I hate it.

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    11. Re:BUCK FETA by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      He proposed that Palpatine be given emergency powers, which allowed for the final remnants of the old republic to be swept away, and brought forth the eventual start of the new republic once the Skywalkers killed him.

      Actually Jar Jar might be a lot like Beta, if Beta kills Slashdot and a new, better website emerges from its ashes.

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      It doesn't hurt to be nice.
    12. Re:BUCK FETA by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      on the classic slashdot homepage you see replies in the top right corner, but I did not see this in beta. Did they move it or am I missing something? your help is appreciated because this is the most important feature for me.

    13. Re:BUCK FETA by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      on the classic slashdot homepage you see replies in the top right corner, but I did not see this in beta. Did they move it or am I missing something? your help is appreciated because this is the most important feature for me.

      Yeah, that is...er, was one of the more useful features, I agree. And unfortunately (at least with IE8), the entire right sidebar has disappeared: doesn't seem to matter if I'm logged in or not.

      I understand that IE8 is pretty ancient (first released in 2009, last stable release in 2011...so it's, like, so three years ago, y'know?), but exactly what sort of voodoo site design are they using that three-year-old browsers can't even see all of the site elements? Sure, their purported userbase (nerds) generally have access to the latest shiny, but they are just as likely to prefer the old but reliable-for-their-needs software (vim, anyone?)

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  2. This message will self destruct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Remember, if you or any of your IM force are caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow all knowledge.

    Good bye Mr. Phelps.

  3. If only Slashdot Beta would shatter into Dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why has Dice declared war on the slashdot user base?

  4. beta sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    just saying the obvious

  5. Shatter to Dust on Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So...slashdot's user base is set to shatter when beta goes live?

  6. Car analogy time by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Funny

    Car analogy time:
    I have gotten rid of vehicles that sucked less than the Slashdot beta. Seriously even that '85 Bronco II where everything was rusty, none of the body panels matched, and that had bad compression on the #5 cylinder sucked less than beta.slashdot.org.

    Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust on command

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    1. Re:Car analogy time by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Stop polluting the comments with your beta defending idiocy. You're wasting everyone's time, and you're wrong.

  7. Already One Step Ahead... by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I write code like this all the time. Oh wait, you mean on purpose?

    Ob note: uck-fay eta-bay

    1. Re:Already One Step Ahead... by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

      I write code like this all the time. Oh wait, you mean on purpose?

      Ob note: uck-fay eta-bay

      I am lodging a formal complaint that this was modded insightful. Screw you guys! I'm going home! :-)

  8. I thought this was already perfected by TigerPlish · · Score: 3

    Electronics that smoke themselves? Have had plenty of them.

    They all spewed magic smoke shortly after warranty expiration. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! BWAHAHA!

    Just like Slashdot will spew magic smoke when its bitch daddy Dice pulls the plug on classic. All that will remain is a box full of bad smells and no life.

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    1. Re:I thought this was already perfected by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Given recent light of the NSAs behaviour, this whole thing stinks of having nothing to do with protect technology deployed in the field and everything to do with crippling other countries infrastructure at the press of a button. It is becoming pretty obvious in you get you computer or software essential infrastructure out of the US then you are a bloody idiot, they can not be trusted in any way shape or form and it is pretty obvious they are fully intent on doing far worse rather than better.

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  9. I know an operating system like that . . . by mmell · · Score: 1

    . . . oh, wait. Disappear in a controlled, triggerable manner . . . Never mind, Bill.

  10. Slashdot Does A Digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    No doubt about it Slashdot beta sucks and everyone hates it. But, the Slashcrew, like Digg of old, refuse to listen.

    Show them the error of their ways, boycott Slashdot 2/7/14.

  11. Re:What can go wrong with this by thinkingrodent · · Score: 2

    Can I fire some at beta?

  12. Mission (Im)possible by AtomicSymphonic · · Score: 1

    So, does this mean when I throw my Google Glasses off a cliff, will they explode in spectacular style?

    1. Re:Mission (Im)possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dice threw Slashdot off a cliff and it's exploding now.

  13. Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust on command

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    1. Re:Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Maybe we're just not using the right one.

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    2. Re:Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust by kencurry · · Score: 2

      Maybe we're just not using the right one.

      no, you're just holding it the wrong way.

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    3. Re:Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust on command

      Well, it was clearly designed by some kind of weapons grade stupid. This could be the prototype for it... it just failed to deploy as intended and so we're stuck with this digital Exxon Valdeez puking up mangled content and terrible design all along the shores of our global networks as it's drunken pilots sing "We're gonna beeeeee rich! da da do do de daaaa...."

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    4. Re:Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Too bad Slashdot beta won't shatter into dust on command

      Actually, the "beta" is nothing but the result of DARPA testing this technology on Slashdot server circuitry.

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  14. VAPRware? by Nightbrood · · Score: 1

    Can we declare Slashdot Beta to be VAPRware?

    fuckbeta

  15. Beta Sucks by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep classic /.

    oh and does anyone else hear the crickets??

  16. So what you are saying is... by Payden+K.+Pringle · · Score: 1

    They've gotten IBM and PARC to design nanomachines to destroy the eletronics on command. Because I doubt there are very many other "feasible" ways to do that.

    Maybe once they are done designing them, we can sneak some into Slashdot Beta. Because that'd only be an improvement. But it's not hard to improve on crap. Especially steaming piles of crap.

    1. Re:So what you are saying is... by suutar · · Score: 1

      it sounds like what they're looking at is using prestressed silicon, that's kept from going boom by reinforcing materials that can be vaporized by current. Of course, this will eventually go public, and then we'll be talking about "The unlock failed and the phone got dusted."

  17. E-Fuses? by mlts · · Score: 1

    If they have a technology to make chips have their underlying silicon substrate crack into unusable bits, that is one thing... but wouldn't e-fuses and on-die capacitors be another route to this with established technology? e-fuses may not be Michael Bay type of material, but the ability to render CPUs, RAM, ASICs, and other silicon on a board completely unusable on a physical basis might be just as good.

    1. Re:E-Fuses? by DaHat · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not always enough...so long as you have the surviving chips, with a bit of polishing off of the layers & an electron microscope, it's very doable to create a schematic of the part... from that you can learn how it does certain things internally, as well as identify attack points (within the IC) that with a focused ion beam can be attacked for when next you acquire a less damaged part.

    2. Re:E-Fuses? by mikael · · Score: 1

      There was the "Stop and Catch Fire Instruction" on 6809 chips. Designers decided to share the input/output ports using the same pin connects. These were selected between by a couple of bits. Set both bits at the same time and the silicon die went into meltdown. Some graphics card would do the same with a driver update.

      I guess you could always have a compressed cylinder of nitrogen, release it suddenly onto the components to make them brittle and vibrate them at high frequency so they basically disintegrate into dust.

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    3. Re:E-Fuses? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Destroying parts on demand isn't hard. Just takes a small explosive charge. I'm guessing they want pre-stressed instead because it would be lighter, more compact, and safe to trigger in proximity to a soldier's body. I'm thinking less of top-secret radar equipment and more of field radios and other communication gear. I know that DARPA is very keen on the 'connected soldier.'

  18. Closing my DICE account by anthony_greer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have used dice to find many jobs, including the one I have right now, but I will not use Dice again if this beta isn't reversed.

    Dice makes way more off of a placement than some silly adverts, if the technical professionals who read this site want to make a stand, kill your Dice profile - want to find a job? target your goal city and call head hunters, they will get you good jobs if you have a good skill.

    1. Re:Closing my DICE account by byronivs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. Close your account. There are many other options out there.

    2. Re:Closing my DICE account by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      target your goal city and call head hunters, they will get you good jobs if you have a good skill.

      Nice strategy.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Closing my DICE account by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      It works.

  19. blind leading the blind? by dciman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure why the editors think that simply continuing to blindly post stories is going to change things here.

    We aren't talking about the news!

    Respect your users!

    1. Re:blind leading the blind? by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What really scares me is the thought that the editors haven't really even noticed.

      One of the things that has always surprised me (even bothered me a bit) about Slashdot is that the people running the site do not appear to actually use the site. The editors don't routinely participate in discussions. We occasionally see a comment from an editor, but they are certainly not among the top commenters. (Even CmdrTaco's comment history was surprisingly thin...) These are people who are paid to be involved with the site. I know they have other duties, and perhaps being an employee makes participating in the community less fun. But on the other hand, if your job is to manage an online community, I would expect to see more involvement.

      I sometimes wonder whether the editors actually read through Slashdot comments at all, or whether they just queue up some stories and then work on something else.

      I'm guessing that by now they've noticed the firestorm of hate, since it's being injected into the comments, firehose/story-submissions, polls, via email, etc. But even so, I feel that ultimately the disconnect between what the Slashdot community wants, and what the powers-that-be are planning to provide, is that the people running Slashdot are not Slashdot users (much less contributors). So they do not even realize why we hate the beta so much. To an outsider, one commenting system and another might seem pretty much the same. It might seem like we're complaining over minutia. But to someone who is trying to participate in the fast-paced and highly technical discussions that erupt on Slashdot, the commenting system is paramount. Ruin it, and you've killed the site.

  20. I'm disappointed. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    It's a program to make hardware self-destruct 'into dust', and it's called 'VAPR' and _nobody_ tagged the article 'Vaporware'? Come on, people!

    --

    Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
    1. Re:I'm disappointed. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What tags on the article? The ones that aren't displayed on the beta site, so I couldn't see them until I switched back to classic?

      Apparently, like the article, they were also from the "poof it's gone" department! Not to mention, even the "from the 'poof it's gone' department" text itself is gone too, at least on the front page. It's like Beta is the VAPR of Slashdot!

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  21. Make Beta mandatory by mccotter · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've been looking for an excuse to reclaim some time in my day.

  22. Fuck Slashdot Beta Fuck Dice by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fuck Slashdot Beta Fuck Dice

  23. Offtopic Dice question by Tynin · · Score: 1

    Is Dice Holdings that owns /. the same Dice that creates Battlefield? Just curious.

    1. Re:Offtopic Dice question by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Is Dice Holdings that owns /. the same Dice that creates Battlefield? Just curious.

      Does Battlefield look like it was gangbanged by a team of toddlers with pastel construction paper and cut-outs of magazine advertisements? Well then, there's your answer: No. Battlefield still looks like something cool, designed by adults, not middle managers who rode the short bus and still have to use the safety scissors.

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      #fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
  24. Which Yahoo designed Beta?! by CQDX · · Score: 1

    I left Yahoo Groups because they totally destroyed their hierarchical UI and make following conversation impossible. Well there was always Slashdot. But now you guys too?! Count me out when you finally switch over.

  25. Things that shatter into dust on impact. by girlintraining · · Score: 2

    1. Military electronics
    2. Dice Holdings, Inc.'s bottom line.

    That's pretty much the sentiment. But here's an idea: Rob Malda (may God bless him in our time of ultimate need) gave us a tool to fight off our oppressors: The source code that powers classic slashdot. The kryptonite of the Overlords. Let us come together now with a kickstarter project, crowdsource our way into the amazon cloud, and free ourselves of these idiot fucktard web 2.0 morons. We have the technology! We can build it faster. Better. Stronger.

    And free of Dic--Derp Holdings. Discuss.

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  26. Poor site redesigns that Shatter into Dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ironic story. When military equipment is captured by enemies it shatters into dust. When Slashdot is captured by terrible Dice BETA "innovation" the user base detonates.

    Fuck Beta.

  27. Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They could hire Dice. They seem to be going a pretty good job of self-destructing Slashdot.

    Fuck beta.

  28. Fuck the beta by kruach+aum · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's terrible. I haven't seen such horrors since I had a fever dream about At the Mountains of Madness.

    1. Re:Fuck the beta by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

      The Beta killed my children. It was awful. I hope it doesn't kill the rest of my children cause I actually have more but the Beta only killed a few of them.

    2. Re:Fuck the beta by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      You should be happy for the ones who died and don't have to look at beta any more. You should probably kill the rest of them and put them out of their agony.

  29. Let me tell you one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Beta sucks!

  30. Thats impossible! by Sla$hPot · · Score: 1

    Mission impossible :P

  31. OPFOR by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How long until adversaries get the codes to remote destroy US military equipment while it is in use?

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    1. Re:OPFOR by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My thoughts exactly ... knowing how to make military hardware keel over on command is going to be a very valuable thing.

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    2. Re:OPFOR by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      Obviously you run into problems if you want any soldier to be able to destroy the hardware at any time creating a tradeoff but authentication is a very well studied topic. A hashed passphrase will suffice as long as you trust your data stores and if you don't trust your data stores it's probably better not to put the hardware out there anyway.

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  32. Slashdot: Social Media for B2B Technology by dysfunct · · Score: 1

    For those who haven't seen "slashdot media" yet, our beloved /. is now categorized as "Social Media for B2B Technology". See for yourself: http://slashdotmedia.com/about...

    Go on, click the "Tour the new Slashdot" button (can't be opened in a new tab) and wait for the nausea to kick in. Meaningless marketing buzzwords, "feedback tools", "user engagement" and so on and so forth.

    It's over. The trained monkeys in marketing have won. A sad day indeed.

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    1. Re:Slashdot: Social Media for B2B Technology by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1
      That's funny. We used to have "user engagement." Now the engagement consists (rightly) in screaming about the beta. That gives an interesting spin on the stuff they're bragging about:

      2.9 Million Monthly Unique Visitors [All of which will say WTF!?! when they make their monthly visit in February.]
      4,653 Average Comments Per Day [Peaking well about this when it was announced that the beta was being phased in. 93% of the comments include the keywords "Fuck" and "Beta".]
      93 Million Page Views Per Month [Past Performance Is Not an Indicator of Future Results.]

    2. Re:Slashdot: Social Media for B2B Technology by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      For those who haven't seen "slashdot media" yet, our beloved /. is now categorized as "Social Media for B2B Technology".

      I think for the first time in my life I actually can use the statement "I threw up a little in my mouth". Now if you don't mind, I'll be in the corner crying.

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  33. BETA Boycott 2/7/2014 by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    If you hate Beta, DO NOT VISIT Slashdot on 2/7!!

    How you you show them Beta sucks? You drop their ad impressions!
    Keep Classic/Fix Beta, or we walk.

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    1. Re:BETA Boycott 2/7/2014 by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Only for you losers who like the new system.

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      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    2. Re:BETA Boycott 2/7/2014 by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      If you hate Beta, DO NOT VISIT Slashdot on 2/7!!

      How you you show them Beta sucks? You drop their ad impressions!
      Keep Classic/Fix Beta, or we walk.

      No, keep visiting and bitching until the last day. Then remove the link, and enjoy the new sites as they appear. I wonder which will win the "slashdot replacement" race?

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  34. Kill Beta! by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet.

    On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design.

    Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

    If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this in a new tab. After seeing that, click here to return to classic Slashdot.

    We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
    We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott


    Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
    Commentors - only discuss the Beta - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

    Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

    Discussion of Beta
    Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live
    Alternative Slashdot

    1. Re:Kill Beta! by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Here is Plain-Old-Text version so you can copy/paste this youselves:

      Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet.

      On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design.

      Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

      If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this in a new tab. After seeing that, click here to return to classic Slashdot.

       
      We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.

      We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott

      Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta

      Commentors - only discuss the Beta - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

      Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

      Discussion of Beta

      Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live

      Alternative Slashdot

    2. Re:Kill Beta! by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      Bummer, thought it would leave the tags in....

    3. Re:Kill Beta! by JustinOpinion · · Score: 1

      Yeah the Slashdot comment-box has some longstanding issues, like support for displaying source-code/html properly, or unicode support in general.

      The devs should really consider coding an improvement to Slashdot that addresses these concerns. Some kind of 'Slashdot beta'. I'm sure it would turn out great...

    4. Re:Kill Beta! by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      WTF is that?!? If I didn't look at the domain, I'd just swear it was a parody. The comments are quite entretaining...

      Shazbot! We ran into some trouble getting the comments.
      Try again... na-nu, na-nu!

      Is this the same for everybody?

  35. Here's my POV on Beta by excelsior_gr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I got a message urging me to try it, so I clicked on it, looked at the Beta and thought: oh, this looks like Slashdot on my phone. And clicked back to the original interface after only a short while. Learn a lesson from Win8: Interfaces that look good on a phone, are crap for a desktop.

    I mean, you have people on this site that actually believe that a CLI is a superior interface. And you try to impress them with eye-candy that takes functionality away? Goodluckwiththat.

    What were you guys thinking?

    1. Re:Here's my POV on Beta by fubar42 · · Score: 1

      Thinking implies a brain. Beta is brought to you by technology in idle hands, much like a million monkeys producing Hamlet with a typewriter. However, only one is a classic. The other is a pile of feces.

    2. Re:Here's my POV on Beta by dmbrun · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's a HTML web page usability design guide around that the Slashdot Beta programmers are using.

      Does anyone know the name of it because I want to make sure I don't buy it.

  36. Why doesn't this just automatically fill in? by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 1

    All that will remain is a box full of bad smells and no life.

    So, your mom's basement, then?

  37. Can't wait for it to reach the private sector by Shag · · Score: 2

    Miss enough payments, and all the circuitry inside your computer, your car, the home theater you got from Rent-A-Center, or whatever... *poof*

    Of course, it'll put a lot of repo-men out of work...

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    Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
    1. Re:Can't wait for it to reach the private sector by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I'm thinking games consoles. A self-destruct-on-tamper device to prevent reverse-engineering and modding, perhaps triggered by a firmware image that matches the integrity hash but not the signing key. It would mean anyone trying to reverse-engineer the device would probably burn through a great many of them before they learned enough to avoid triggering the auto-destruct, which would price many out of the attempt.

  38. Re:Sorry, I just don't get what you are ranting ab by Goaway · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No way to see replies to your comments, no way to link to your comments to check by hand. Discussion is impossible.

  39. They already have this.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    It's called C-4 explosive. it will shatter any laptop into dust on command if you use enough of it.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  40. Re:Sorry, I just don't get what you are ranting ab by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I prefer the beta, it's clean and works just fine. Seriously, what is it that's making it so horrible for you?

    Threaded conversations where you can choose ahead of time to see all replies. But you likely won't see this reply, if you use beta.

  41. A redesign 16 years in the making... by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1
    Wow. One more thing. Clicking "Tour the New Slashdot", one is presented with the following claim:

    A redesign 16 years in the making... you know it's going to be good.

    Hey, I fell for that when I decided to play Duke Nukem Forever. I'll never get those 10 minutes of my life back. Fool me once...

  42. BETA - I command you! by stenvar · · Score: 4, Funny

    BETA, I command you: turn into dust NOW.

  43. Re:Let's try this "Beta" thing by carlos92 · · Score: 1

    underlined doesn't work

  44. Re:Slashcott by chris231989 · · Score: 1

    altslashdot.org gave me a bluescreen (win8.1/ff28) :(

    Beta still sucks bing donkey ballz though

  45. The Third Fury... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone else read a book called 'The Third Fury'? The basic idea was that a US General, an electronics manufacturer that sold chips to the military, and a TV executive who owned a satellite came up with a plan to help safeguard the USA. It involved creating two versions of a certain common microchip- one version had a special circuit that would fry the chip when it received a signal sent from the TV satellite. The 'special' chip, dubbed Cerberus after the three-headed dog that guarded Hades, would be put into all military hardware that was sent to allies or sold outside the USA, while the normal chip was in all our military and civilian equipment. The title comes from the fact they code-named themselves after the three Furies.

    It’s years later, and weird things are happening. The General is retired. The TV executive is facing a hostile takeover of his network, and the electronics genius is being gently, but firmly forced out of the business he founded. Suspicious, he investigates and finds the Cerberus style chip is the only one being produced now. This means all US military hardware is vulnerable. He attempts to warn the other furies before being killed.
    Now it’s a race to see if the TV exec can re-gain control of the satellite before the bad guys can shut down the USA.

    The point being, we need to be careful a system like this isn’t used against us.

  46. I had something cogent, but Beta purged it by Gim+Tom · · Score: 1

    I really had a comment that related to this article from when I was in the Air Force in the early 1970's and bugging the Ho Chi Minh trail. However, I made the mistake of taking a look at the slashdot beta and now it is gone forever. Kind of like taking a very strong laxative.

  47. Whenever I hear something like this... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ... I wonder, by remote command? What's the mechanism? I don't even bother asking how secure, because the value of a secret increases in proportion to it's usefulness, and past the point where risk balances gain, it will get loose.

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    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  48. "Terrorists have bombed" by aliquis · · Score: 1

    ..

    This and that group did it.. trust us!

  49. Here today, gone tomorrow. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, we're here generating traffic. Today.

    Piss off your users, and they first get loud and tell you what you're doing wrong. Then, they get quiet. REAL quiet. As in, no longer visiting your site. And, for Slashdot, if people aren't visiting, then they aren't posting, they aren't submitting stories, and they aren't looking at your ads.

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    1. Re:Here today, gone tomorrow. by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

      Piss off your users, and they first get loud and tell you what you're doing wrong. Then, they get quiet. REAL quiet. As in, no longer visiting your site.

      The Dice execs should visit Kevin Rose's box and ask him how that works out in the end.

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    2. Re:Here today, gone tomorrow. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Of course, if that happens, the Dice PHBs will just conclude that the site has had its day and close it altogether. Then their corporate overlords who put them up to this will have won.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  50. Hey Dice: Loyal readers are trolling Slashdot ... by kbahey · · Score: 1

    Dice can't see it, since they are new here (he he)...

    But, the most loyal long time most avid readers of Slashdot, are not trolling the site, in protest of the failed beta.

    Where is GNAA, Natalie Portman grits, and frist prost when you need them!

    They won't have a clue what I am saying ...

  51. /. going the way of Digg v4.0? by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    More to come, stay tuned.

  52. Re:Sorry, I just don't get what you are ranting ab by TWiTfan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's one of the real nasty bits of it. Any kind of long-lasting discussion is out of the question. Some of the best threads I've ever seen on /. came from deep, ongoing discussions between knowledgeable people. The beta makes it difficult to have any real back-and-forth.

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  53. Slashdot Beta SUCKS by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 1

    I've emailed them... they ignore... the more they ignore the quicker their downfall.

    Ignore your userbase, and you shall have none. If I am ignored much longer, I will leave. Just like I left mashable after their AOL'ed it.

    PS. I've been a slashdotter for 7+ years.

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    No trees were killed in the making of this post; however, many trillions of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.
  54. This would be useful for more than just military by jonwil · · Score: 2

    This could be used by dissidents in various countries worried about the government seizing their computers and using the information contained therein against them. Or heck, criminals would be interested too, if the feds come a knocking, they just hit some buttons and turn all their criminal record data to unreadable dust.

  55. News: BETA sucks by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    Glad I'm still on classic. :-)

    1. Re:News: BETA sucks by Herve5 · · Score: 1

      The classic version is to be shut down. That is one issue.
      The original issue, though, is the new interface has forgotten all our efficiency at filtering comments and getting compact, long threads, and when contacted on this the new owners seem to depend on an existing system that won't, and can't, evolve this way.

      As for me, if I lose the capability to filter my way, the very essence of /. disappears.
      It's not even that I'll decide to come back or not: there will be no place to come back...

      I fully understand the aim for the new owners: getting more readers for the ads to pay more, via a nicer, cleaner interface. They will get this. But there will be no more posters.
      At this moment they are betting that a viable part of us will continue posting. I won't belong to this part, simply because it doesn't bring anything more to me. They may win the bet anyhow. They will just step out of my world, and to me it's a dire loss.

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  56. Re:Kind of like slashdot by Soulskill · · Score: 2

    Alice Hill does not work for Dice, and hasn't for a while. She has nothing to do with the Beta. Put down the pitchfork.

  57. Re:Kind of like slashdot by camperdave · · Score: 1

    So what's with the the beta not being able to quote parent comment, not automatically providing a comment subject, not being able reply anonymously, not being able to see your own comment scores, not being able to see replies to your comments, or read the threads on polls? Those are some serious deficiencies.

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  58. Re:Question by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    I'm just a casual slashdot reader. Can you elucidate about what the you feel the problem with the new beta format is?

    Well, it's apparently too kind to trolls, for a start.

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  59. fucking hilarious by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Add yet another vulnerability to our military.

    Wait until some enterprising hacker from the other side figures out how to trigger the self-destruct.

    And then our shit becomes useless, from operator-recognizing rifles to vehicles.

    Motherfucking morons.

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  60. It was nice while it lasted by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    Slashdot was a reasonable source of technical dialogue once. Solved a lot of problems by talking to each other.
    I'll miss it.

    Goodbye.

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  61. Re:Sorry, I just don't get what you are ranting ab by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

    surely you can see the replies somewhere I just haven't found it yet. on classic all the replies are in the top right corner. where did they move it to?

  62. Re:Kind of like slashdot by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

    I agree those are deficiencies, but surely they will add in this functionality as the beta develops.

  63. I for one, do NOT welcome our new beta overlords! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Yes that aspect is true, 'mobile reactive organic targets' usually give instant results of your mad skillz. They can be tricky targets. Good training! ;-)

    Unlike Jar Jar, I'm afraid that slashdot beta will be even MORE zombie-like than SCO, thus EVEN harder to kill.

    However is responsible for making this mandatory needs to be VR headset fitted, castrated with a bench vise...half turn of the handle ever 15 minutes, while standing barefoot on hot coals, and at random intervals...goosed with an electric cattle prod, all while "Cannibal: The Musical" is playing on the aforementioned headset.(in 3D, immersive ,but not interactive, in surround sound-you could shove the sub woofer up their ass...goatse may need a heir)
    Then made to walk the plank, get keel hauled, crucified, impaled an a short spike, drawn and quartered, burned at the stake, hung, then torn into itty bitty pieces, and BURIED ALIVE!

    Then we nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

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    Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
  64. Re:Kind of like slashdot by camperdave · · Score: 1

    I agree those are deficiencies, but surely they will add in this functionality as the beta develops.

    They never should have escaped alpha testing.

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  65. Re:Kind of like slashdot by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

    agreed, yet here we are, camperdave. here we are.

  66. Re:Sorry, I just don't get what you are ranting ab by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    A long time ago, Slashdot hid all the links to http://slashdot.org/~TubeSteak/comments (even from the classic users)
    Beta just transparently gives you the http://slashdot.org/~TubeSteak/ version even if you include "comments" in the link.

    Am I supposed to go thread to thread in order to see which of my comments have been modded up or down?
    Is Beta some kind of clean sheet design that ignores everything that /. has ever done?
    Give me Classic or give me Death.

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    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
  67. $5.4 million for a self destruct button? by smaddox · · Score: 1

    For $5.4 million, they better be talking about more than simply damaging the electronics beyond use. I could throw something together to do that overnight for less than $100.

  68. Re:How many ways by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    I bet the editors just want to see how many different ways all of you can segue from the article into "fuck beta" in a comment.

    It even derailed a juicy flamewar-bait topic like Wozniak To Apple: Consider Building an Android Phone

  69. Blame aim error? by rts008 · · Score: 1

    I started today at the bottom and have been working my way up the page with the articles.

    'Soulskill' joined in the discussion about the beta that was raging on the Quakecon article(IIRC).

    Here's my take:

    According to him, the editors are reading the comments and sending them upstream to their Dice corporate overlords, and have been warning same OL's that this was likely to happen. Many of the editors feel the same way, but the editors are too far down the ladder to have much say about this.

    He also said that feedback was pouring in and they were trying to take it all in.

    One of the things, from the sounds of it, a classic version is not an option when the beta goes live in April. I hope I misunderstood.

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    Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
  70. cool by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    and the enemy can use it too to disable the army itself, because if the US can disable the electronics remote, so can their enemy...

  71. Yes.. by monzie · · Score: 1

    Yes I hate the fact that you cannot link to comments anymore. The site becomes less useful that way.

  72. Like /. by PGC · · Score: 1

    Like the /. community when Beta will be implemented.

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    The Dutch will inherit the earth. If not, we'll settle for a bit of ocean. Beta delenda est!
  73. How to could fix up the non beta stuff real quick by Stu101 · · Score: 1

    I have to agree that Beta is not so awesome. Doesn't work on my droid phone so I lose 30 mins a day looking at other sites.

    A lot of the issues go deeper than Beta though. Firstly, as IT folks we are (mostly!):

    Educated
    Have disposable income
    Revel in nerdy stuff
    Have decision making/influencing power.

    All the above is an IT advertisers wet dream

    I am starting to find the content rather dull and repetitive.

    Can you imagine the sort of stories that could be brought to Slashdot as an exclusive if Slashdot actually paid for original unique content and also got editors that can do the job to a higher standard. Imagine the uber geek stuff that could be created if people were motivated enough. Original stuff that brings new blood, new thinking, decent ad revenue. Think of the interesting stories that could be told by you guys, right here, if you had the incentive.

    I can't disclose exactly what I am writing about at present, but all the good stuff is going to people who pay me for my time. Slashdot needs some of this!

    In short rather than messing with beta, start getting some original content. Differentiate Slashdot, make it relevant, make it fresh.

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  74. Mission Impossible by FredMastro · · Score: 1

    I thought the MI group already had this tech

  75. Commercial application... by Reziac · · Score: 1

    ...could give new meaning to 'planned obsolescence'.

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  76. I used to buy electronics like this all the time by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    http://www2.geeks.com/

    Their site doesn't work anymore, but you can still go to their physical store and buy electronics that vaporizes after a few uses !

  77. It's already in use by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    which seeks to develop transient electronics that can physically disappear in a controlled, triggerable manner.'

    You mean like regular commercial electronics do right after the warranty expires?