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Is Google Making the Digital Divide Worse?

theodp writes "As Google Fiber forges ahead into new metro areas, Michael Brick reports on worries the fiber project will create a permanent underclass. Building the next generation of information economy infrastructure around current demand, experts say, will deny poor people the physical wiring needed to gain access while the privileged digerati advance at hyperspeed. 'The fiber service deployment means multiplicity of the digital divide, multidimensionality of the digital divide,' says Eun-A Park of the Univ. of New Haven. 'You can see it in Google's trial in Kansas City.' Speed matters, explains Google, 'because a world with universal access and 100 times faster internet could mean 100 times the learning.' Without universal access, as is the case in KC due to pricing that's out of the reach of many of the city's poor, one presumes the outcome could be 100x the learning divide. Another case of the unintended consequences of good intentions?"

259 comments

  1. So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to hear more about this.

    1. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. It's a fascinating idea really. Seems it could really speed things up. Instead of taking 20 hours to finish that course from The Learning Company, I could finish it in only 15 minutes.

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    2. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pipin' it right into the brains. It's in beta now, but that's okay. We're fucking the beta.

    3. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Behind the snark lurks a valid point. If it takes me 20hrs to download the materials, but it takes you 15mins, then yes, you could finish faster and move on to something else.

    4. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Behind the snark lurks a valid point. If it takes me 20hrs to download the materials, but it takes you 15mins, then yes, you could finish faster and move on to something else.

      But if it takes > 20 hours to actually read and understand the material, then your download speed is trivial and not an issue, I believe was his point.

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    5. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially since I suspect more learning happens when you're at LOWER bandwidth, where you can access text reasonably quickly enough, but as soon as you try to stream videos, or even perhaps load pictures of cats, it chokes out.

    6. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by yorgasor · · Score: 2

      Cut the poor guy some slack. He clearly has been living with a slow internet connection and hasn't quite figured out that bandwidth and learning don't scale linearly together.

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    7. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're looking at it the wrong way. Think "google learning about you". More bandwith -> more activity -> more keywords and better "social graph".

    8. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is a course that offers video and text, speed matters. If someone else can stream the videos instantly, and download the text at the same time, it's then just a matter of learning the material. If it takes me an hour to download each lecture, then I not only need to spend the time required to learn, but additional time to access the materials themselves. Also, it's harder to connect with people and get insight in real time if I am downloading so much stuff and have a bad connection. So yeah, the faster the connections the quicker you get access to data, and in turn the potential you have to learn something is quicker.

    9. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Do you sit and watch the screen during long downloads or do you do what pretty much everyone else does, other stuff?

    10. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      It maters less than you'd think. The people with fiber will just be streaming the "ultra super duper HD" version of the video.

      Honestly though - I have "regular" cable internet. My speeds are 15Mbps - nowhere close to fiber speeds. I STILL stream full 1080p from Youtube just fine and instantly. Before I moved I was on 3Mbps DSL connection and I still was doing 720p just fine.

      Don't get me wrong - I know that faster is always better, but I think we're truly getting to a point of diminishing returns for most things. A person with a 100Mbps connection might have a theoretical max speed 10x greater than someone at 10Mbps, but their actual internet experience is unlikely to be much different - PARTICULARLY for services that can auto-scale the bitrate of a video down as needed.

      If anything educational uses will be the LEAST impacted by this type of thing.

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    11. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by in10se · · Score: 1

      Based on this data, I am able to learn 100x faster at work than at home. I guess that's why they won't let me telecommute...

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    12. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are missing the overall point. Yeah I can do other stuff while this stuff is downloading, but if my purpose is to learn something, I need to wait for the resources to be accessible to me. If those resources take a long time to download due to my poor internet speeds, I now have to increase the overall time it takes to learn the subject. Where as someone with a fiber connection can just stream this lecture instantly and be on their way to the next video. This is less of a problem in America I admit, but that was the premise of my argument; internet speed does in fact have an impact on your ability to learn in some situations. To add to this: my little brother is required to do some of his school work online. The internet connection at my mom's house where he lives is the basic, low end Comcast. Its so choppy, and slow he often takes an hour or more to complete an assignment that would have taken him 30 minutes. So yeah connection is a factor in education now. Its not the ONLY factor, or even the most important factor, but it is a part of learning.

    13. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I replied above, but your counter is a bit different. Yeah, I agree with you that today internet connections are fairly quick and reliable enough that its not a huge factor. However, it is *A* factor. I provided an anecdote above that works similarly well here. My younger brother has to do some of his assignments online, but due to the poor quality of the connection and speed, he takes a bit longer to get his work done. I agree this isn't huge right now, but if you take a look at how many organizations are pushing to get quality education online, this type of situation will have an impact in the long run. If I take an hour to complete work that would otherwise take me 30 minutes, over the course of my schooling I will have spent many hours longer to complete my education. I am simply saying its a valid factor in education, but I concede it is not a primary factor.

    14. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      I'd like to hear more about this.

      Yeah, I remember getting twice as smart when I upgraded from a 14.4k to a 28.8k modem. Don't you?

    15. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article made me want to gouge my eyes out.
      Not only do public library's and free hotspots currently address this issue there is no reason to believe that would not be the case in the authors hypothetical situation.
      In fact allowing for increased bandwidth would allow for better collective propagation of knowledge.
      But it may also mean a further increase in stupid fucking articles being accepted on slashdot.
      Because of this I think we should revert back to dial up to save humanity.
      Who the fuck is in charge of these articles? Fox News?

    16. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by ttucker · · Score: 2

      Tell me more about how when something that you can pay money for gives you an advantage, it is intrinsically unfair that other people can not afford it?

    17. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      That's right you Comcast shill, switch over to damage control.

    18. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      durr, I'm thtill thuck on ninety-thix-hunnert bod.

    19. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Of course, if your math skill level is around the 8th grade (like most politicians?) x = Ay .....

    20. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh I'm sure it's true based on my own experience. I've always enjoyed downloading books and working through them. Often this also meant finding and downloading software to simulate things the book was talking about or even more books to better understand it. On a dial-up connection it was such a chore that I spent days measuring up what all I would need for a given book, to fully understand it's subject. As a result my self-teaching was slow at best and often ground to a halt when the need for supplemental resources was too great for the bandwidth of a 56k line to handle reliably. When I got cable all of those problems went away. Everything is so quick that I can have all of the resources I need for a given subject within minutes. My knowledge in several fields jumped so rapidly that I didn't even notice I had lost the ability to socialize normally without a lot of effort.

      However there is a counter-current that is ruining it all. The scam artist that we jokingly call "internet marketers" have made it so damn hard to find real information on just about any subject. Internet speed will not solve this at all. I suspect internet speed gains will make it worse since it allows the scam artist to dispatch more false websites in a shorter amount of time. I have certainly noticed a decline in the speed that I can learn a new subject due to this. Subjects that I have at least some knowledge in not so much since that knowledge allows me to better filter my search results. Thank you for ruining the internet, internet marketers.

    21. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      No, but bandwidth certainly does matter. For instance, I live in an area where there is no basic internet service. Some get DSL, but it is spotty, others deal with satellite and 3G/4G which has transfer caps and is very expensive. This is an area where most people are poor--however I am not. Anyway, the benefits of unlimited transfer and decent transfer speed bring with it the ability to engage online classes, watch video, use services like Netflix and Hulu, connect with people in real time, work over a VPN, host your own website (instead of paying for expensive hosting), and well....the list can go on and on. None of this is really possible in my area and frankly, I'm sick of it, I'm moving my family to a place where "the internet will melt your face off" and it is cheap. What happens? The area gets worse because the infrastructure will not improve and the people who are key to setting an example, and enriching people's lives with better possibilities, move to seek better conditions.

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    22. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Lots of areas are more limited. I get 28.8. KBs on a dry day with no other choices, can't see any satellites and not even cell service. It's getting pretty horrible just loading a lot of pages, video is out of the question.

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    23. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Mashdar · · Score: 1

      I use 1Mbit internet. This is the lowest tier service any cable or DSL provider will sell AFAIK (maybe there are still a few 768k DSL lines?). They don't even advertize it. You have to ask for it. I have _never_ found myself inhibited. And that's with downloading IEEE/ACM papers with fair frequency. Pretty much the only things I have to walk away while downloading are lectures, video games, Linux isos, and those damn 8GB Xilinx installers. All of this talk of second class citizens is a load. The problem is not bandwidth, and it sounds like your mother has wiring issues in the house (too many splitters?). If the cable is bad due to bad wiring or because you are on shared bandwidth with the neighbor, get DSL. Contrary to popular opinion, I have always had much more reliable service from DSL providers (they have much more skin in keeping phone lines operational), and I don't share bandwidth with the neighbor (*until far upstream).

    24. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      But what it can do is increase the number of people learning

      I have 1.5mb down/384k up (3mb down is offered but I'm so far out I loose too much signal for the higher speed to work reliably). Web access for us (2 kindles, a tv w/ netflix, my desktop, 2 other laptops for wife and oldest kid) really takes a hit for everyone else when someone is streaming from netflix or amazon and if 2 people want to stream something it becomes a fight to see which client has more buffering capability.

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    25. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      Behind the snark lurks a valid point. If it takes me 20hrs to download the materials, but it takes you 15mins, then yes, you could finish faster and move on to something else.

      But if it takes > 20 hours to actually read and understand the material, then your download speed is trivial and not an issue, I believe was his point.

      One needs read ahead to make this interesting.
      Thinking in a serial manner will not get the job done.

      If reading chapter one triggers the download of chapter two... etc.
      before chapter one is finished the only one that matters
      is chapter one as the others are hidden.

      Of interest a multi book multi chapter product is ideal for p2p even in
      a "lower bandwidth" mesh network that could be built Pringle can
      style building to building floor to floor.

      Schools and communities could be highly interconnected
      internally and modestly interconnected globally if the community
      was a caching resource.

      There are many types of interconnect topology but a strong
      cross sectional bandwidth interconnect design would be cool.
      Home routers built with Raspberry-Pi boards and 30GB of local
      SD card storage would be a good start.

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    26. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by tlambert · · Score: 1

      I'd like to hear more about this.

      I'd happily sit down and explain it to you, but at your current bandwidth, it would take me several years to do so.

    27. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by icebike · · Score: 1

      This.
      You can't learn faster with faster Internet.

      Although you can damn well learn slower, as you spend less time learning and more time watching all that porn you download on your blazing fast Google fiber.

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    28. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      There is divide between broadband and dialup still, however. Video is impractical on dialup and even browsing the modern internet is painful enough that it would impair learning. Perhaps that's the divide we should be focused on, instead of the divide between the have-lots and the have-even-mores.

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    29. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      There is yet another divide, which is of using wireless to use a hotspot or a neighbor's connection. That may work fine, or work most of the time, or be highly erratic with severe slowdowns and day long disruption. Weather can affect it or congestion make it nearly unusable when everything is coming back from work or school and using up the spectrum.

      Another situation is to use 3G/4G for your residential internet access, you may suffer some of the above but there's the harsh data caps and throttling. It is probably what a lot of the third world will have to live with, and there dial up is not even an option (either the phone line doesn't physically exist, or dial up service is too expensive)

    30. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You, an individual, can stream 1080p on your connection. A class full of students, or even three kids in a household, not so much. That is where it really matters, where there are many people but not the money to buy in a special high speed connection. If 100Mb is the norm and cheap it isn't a problem.

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    31. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      These are children we are talking about, they have no earning power (working is illegal for them in most developed countries). So it comes down to if you think an education and reasonably opportunities is a right or if it is just up to parents to provide it according to their means.

      If you think it is a right (and in the EU it is a human right) then it follows that "an education" must have some minimal standard, and the standard should be at a level which gives children a reasonable chance in the modern world. Since the internet and computers are rather essential now access to them, much like access to textbooks and writing implements, is vital for all children.

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    32. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by drolli · · Score: 1

      Yeah i always observe this in the subway. Me with my phone set to GPRS/GSM/EDGE (good coverage) downloading an kindle ebook (1MB) and reading it *obviously* learn less than the girl with the 4G access consuming 3 Justin Bieber videos on her 4G phone in the time i take to read 3 pages (equivalent to 30kB).

      I mean how could i overlook that youtube and gamified versions of everything are the new way to learn things? I mean, if quantum theory or writing good comilers do not translate to a 5 minute video which looks like its produced by strapping the camera to a young cat, drugging her with ectacy and letting her hunt behind wool balls, what's these things anyway worth for?

    33. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Mashdar · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. And if the telephone cables are bad enough, upgrading the system to DSL could involve new lines :(

      Looking at the map at
      http://www.broadbandmap.gov/sp...
      Coverage is pretty spotty anywhere but NJ,DE,RI,CN

      http://www.broadbandmap.gov/su...
      The above link has data on how many people have service. (What is a SBDD grantee, and does this skew the data?) It claims 93% have local access to >3Mb down on wires, 98% have >3Mb down wireless. (I find the latter figure _very_ hard to believe...)

    34. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by ttucker · · Score: 1

      The article is not about education, it is only briefly mentioned among lists of potential usages of the internet. While education is first in these lists, they are presented to imply each element carries equal importance... entertainment is never mentioned.

      Re-framing this debate as a, "what will anyone ever do for the children", topic, will never bring Google Fiber to your house. Sorry. Public education already exists, it is well funded, and well equipped with technology. Children have ready access to the internet, books, and education.

      Break up cable monopolies by allowing any telecom carrier usage of public easements. Get broadband providers out of bed with TV and telephone, by recognizing them as telecom carriers, and allowing their cables on public utility poles. Our market experience is one of crony capitalism at best, and we reap the rewards every day. We are selling our souls to Comcast for public access cable channels!

    35. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Behind the snark lurks a valid point. If it takes me 20hrs to download the materials, but it takes you 15mins, then yes, you could finish faster and move on to something else.

      But if it takes > 20 hours to actually read and understand the material, then your download speed is trivial and not an issue, I believe was his point.

      Logically, if user A is waiting 20 hrs for the course criteria to download and user B downloaded theirs in 15 mins by the time user A starts the material user B has already finished and will be a fundamental 20 hrs ahead of A at all times if the learning rate is at a constant.

    36. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by vandamme · · Score: 1

      You could download the text of Moby Dick on dialup and read it, but it would take much longer than downloading the movie and watching it on high speed broadband. Hooray, we learning fast!

    37. Re:So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      But if it takes > 20 hours to actually read and understand the material

      There's your problem. Actually understanding what you've been exposed to is such a Web 0.0 way of doing things.

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    38. Re: So, learning scales linearly with bandwidth? by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      There's technical truth to what you say, but streaming video is probably less of a problem than you think. I would certainly hope that in a classroom full of students that they aren't all streaming different HD video - if they're watching video at all, it should be relevant to classroom learning and they should probably all be watching the same thing (or at most 2-3 different videos in groups). Probably projected on a large screen at the front of the room, but assuming they all watch on their own school issued laptops/tablets, the school could just implement multicast.

      As for kids in a household, my 3 and 6 year olds really could care less whether their YouTube video of choice is 1080p or 480p. This may or may not change in a few years, but 2 continuous 480p streams doesn't come close to saturating my 3 Mb/s pipe.

  2. If only there were a system by RGreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, if only there were some kind of organized system of, say, i don't know, governance for ensuring that under-represented members of our communities get equal access to economic resources? Like a set of written guidelines or maybe rules that all members of a community need to abide by...

    1. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We could pay money, say every month with paycheck (and then balance it out once a year) and divert it from the richer to the poorer. I think we are onto something here.

    2. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5t6rC6yvg

    3. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Because that's worked so well every time it's been attempted in the past.

    4. Re:If only there were a system by mlw4428 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Military, police, roads, etc

    5. Re:If only there were a system by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Man, that wasn't at all what RGreen was suggesting. Also, name one time it's honestly been attempted. Just once. WRONG! Whatever you're thinking, that was some power hungry selfish people who thought they might be able to use that as an excuse to wrest power away from other power hungry selfish people. Had nothing to do with serving the people.

      You might argue that's why it can never work. That's probably true. Good thing, again, that RGreen was not suggesting we do that.

    6. Re:If only there were a system by jmichaelg · · Score: 2

      ...complete with regulators that would end up working for the companies they regulate.

      And of course, said regulators would raise the price of entry so that the incumbents would have a natural advantage.

      What a novel idea!

    7. Re:If only there were a system by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can only judge something by the actual results. It doesn't matter what kind of excuses you want to make up. Stuff has to make it in the real world rather than some fantasy that only exists in your own head. If all attempts lead to disaster because there is some aspect of human nature you choose to ignore, then perhaps you should acknowledge it's a bad idea.

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    8. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No true Communist?

    9. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only we weren't goverend by the idiots and the corrupt.

      Take from the Rich and give to the Poor? Great idea... look how well it's affecting the Health Care industry.

    10. Re:If only there were a system by bberens · · Score: 2

      I'm fairly certain that the healthcare industry in the US primarily takes money from the poor and concentrates it in the wealthy.

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    11. Re:If only there were a system by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Fun fact: Kansas City public schools lost their accreditation in 2012 and haven't regained it. The entire school district. The public schools are too shitty to meet even Missouri's standards. It's not the first time either. I'm not sure what they've done to fix the schools, but since the upper and middle classes in KCMO send their kids to private schools, I can't imagine it was anything like increasing taxes. And given teacher union power, I can't imagine it was anything like firing bad teachers. But no, lets talk about how Google is increasing social stratification. Not anything that Kansas City is intentionally doing and has been doing for decades to keep the have nots separated from the haves.

      I mean I see the appeal, sarcasm aside. Google is a big international company, has that motto of "don't be evil" and it's fun to act like they're hypocrites. Blaming the residents is just depressing as hell.

    12. Re:If only there were a system by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you could support your assertion with fact?

    13. Re:If only there were a system by phantomfive · · Score: 0

      Yea. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Because that's worked so well every time it's been attempted in the past.

      When has that been attempted? What you are describing is communism, which the Soviet Union aspired to. They considered themselves to be in the socialist transition to communism, and thus followed a different model, which is, "To each according to his contribution." (read about it here).

      The main problem I see with the Marxist distribution method: imagine a world where everyone has what he needs, but still there is some left over. How do you distribute the remainder? I've discussed this with people indoctrinated in the Soviet system, and none has had an answer. I'm not sure Marx ever thought about it.

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    14. Re:If only there were a system by Immerman · · Score: 1

      > If all attempts lead to disaster because there is some aspect of human nature you choose to ignore, then perhaps you should acknowledge it's a bad idea.
      You mean like free-market capitalism? [nudge, nudge, wink, wink]

      I would say it's at least an idea we're not ready to implement yet. The central tenet of communism is that the means of production are owned collectively by the populace. All "attempts" at nation-scale communism to date have had the means of production owned by the government. Those two facts are only compatible if the government is owned by the populace, which would seem to require a strong democracy. And I can't think of a single national-scale democracy to date that was strong and stable enough to honestly make the claim that the populace owned the government for more than a few years, if that.

      It's sort of like mp3 players - the idea predates the iPod by several decades, but until digital storage and audio compression technologies became advanced enough to store more than a few minutes of music in a compact form factor it was just an interesting idea that failed miserably in practice. When the social technology of democracy becomes sufficiently mature then communism may well be a wonderful thing. I'm betting that's at least a few centuries away though. The extremely powerful have managed to defend much of their elite status within society for thousands of years, even if they tend to be a lot more discrete about flexing their muscle within modern democracies. Personally I'd want at least a century of evidence that they had been well and truly defanged before seriously considering making an attempt at national-scale communism.

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    15. Re:If only there were a system by sabri · · Score: 1

      Wow, if only there were some kind of organized system of, say, i don't know, governance for ensuring that under-represented members of our communities get equal access to economic resources? Like a set of written guidelines or maybe rules that all members of a community need to abide by...

      So you want everyone to be equal? That has been tried, it was called the Soviet Union.

      In a free market, some people have more than others. If you don't want that, you'll end up having a Socialist State. And that means that the government steals^W taxes everything you earn above a certain amount, for example like in France.

      Most of the people who are considered "poor" (where poor is relative, if you still have a roof, food and clothing) have had the same opportunities as those who are considered working class or even rich. They all had an opportunity to go to school and get at least a high school diploma. Not everyone is Stanford or Harvard material, but everyone has a chance in this country. If you don't take that chance and become poor, it is your own fault and I don't need a government to take my hard-earned cash away and give it to you. I earned my Masters degree two weeks after 18 months of studying, and it cost me only 4k. Being poor is a choice for most people who are.

      And then you have this commie complaining about how not giving free high-speed internet to those who refused to go to school and work is only increasing the income gap. What an idiot.

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    16. Re:If only there were a system by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cross reference the itemized costs of a routine procedure with hospital administration pay scales. It'll piss you off, guaranteed.

      Well, unless you're a hospital administrator, I guess.

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    17. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... ObamaCare sure is taking from the poor.

      Whats that? The poor don't pay taxes. They even get more back than they paid in (via refunds)?

      Oh and the "rich" middle class are going to be paying more for less coverage? So that the lazy^H^H^H^Hpoor can get free coverage?

    18. Re:If only there were a system by uncqual · · Score: 2

      Well, that's pretty close to reality, just a minor rephrasing is required to actually capture human nature:

      From each according to his willingness, to each according to his desires

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    19. Re: If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Divide the rest evenly?

    20. Re:If only there were a system by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      The main problem I see with the Marxist distribution method: imagine a world where everyone has what he needs, but still there is some left over.

      It seems like there would be a few options. Reducing production to meet need (shorter work hours) and keeping the surplus in reserve for leaner times (where appropriate) are two possibilities that come to mind for me.

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      It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
    21. Re:If only there were a system by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I think I covered that with the last line. But fine, I'll explicitly say, communism is probably impossible to do well in reality.

    22. Re: If only there were a system by a4r6 · · Score: 1

      I think our capitalist system has a worse problem. What do we do when there's not enough labor that needs doing? Cutting hours in the average work-week would work, but that's not how we do things. Instead we just brainwash our people into filling their homes and lives with the latest BULLSHIT reason to spend more and work harder. Never mind raising quality of life - thats just an occasional positive side effect.

    23. Re:If only there were a system by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      That system is also responsible for why broadband is so slow to deploy in the US. Google Fiber only exists because they've been able to escape the rules that most broadband providers are shackled by.

      Am I saying that by unshackling them things will suddenly improve? No, not exactly. But when you have a billion ordinances to live by in addition to corrupt small-time politicians telling you where you can and can't build, you just say to hell with it and not build at all. Local city ordinances are THE number one reason why broadband deployment is so shitty here. This is why Google left Overland Park. They knew that the city council was about to do the typical political maneuvering so they just said "build your own fiber then, goodbye." Now that city has nothing and will have nothing for years to come.

      I get that you might complain about cherry picking for the best places to actually deploy it, but you're going to have to make a choice.

      What's better:
      1) A cherry picked deployment that will in all likelihood permeate the entire area over several years.
      2) No deployment at all because the rules and regulations are so strict that you're guaranteed to not break even for a good 15 years, and by the time that day comes your shit will all be obsolete anyways with the government bitching at you for not keeping up with the times.

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    24. Re: If only there were a system by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      What do we do when there's not enough labor that needs doing?

      Fire Ben Bernanke and hire Janet Yellen. Or some equally useless political gesture.

      Instead we just brainwash our people into filling their homes and lives with the latest BULLSHIT reason to spend more and work

      If you care about this, negotiate a contract where you get a pay cut in exchange for fewer hours.

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    25. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was only there was something between US-styles vulture/crony capitalism and Soviet-style socialism.

      Maybe if you put down the Ayn Rand and looked at the fragging world around you you might see that there are many societies between those two extremes and many of them generate far better outcomes for a majority of their citizens than the US does.

      BTW good work conflating equality of opportunity with 'equal', and making out Soviet Union is the only possible implementation and outcome for socialism. It's thinking like that has made, and continues to make, the USA the mostly ignorant redneck paradise it is today.

    26. Re:If only there were a system by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Wow, if only there were some kind of organized system of, say, i don't know, governance for ensuring that under-represented members of our communities get equal access to economic resources? Like a set of written guidelines or maybe rules that all members of a community need to abide by...

      We can start with "equal access" to Al Gore's energy-guzzling mansion. And Obama's many vacation spots.

      What's that, no? Why not? Is some inequality more equal than others?

    27. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want everyone to be equal? That has been tried, it was called the Soviet Union.

      In a free market, some people have more than others. If you don't want that, you'll end up having a Socialist State.

      That is a false dichotomy. You don't need total wealth equalization to ensure universal access to a minimum level of nutrition, shelter, health care, and education.

      Also, the monetizable benefits of a healthy, educated workforce do trickle up to the wealthiest members of society.

    28. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By Homo Sapiens, perhaps, but no characteristic is hardcoded into our genome. We might be ready for communism as soon as a few hundred thousand years.

    29. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Communist" is a fairly well defined term. It is not a case of "No true Scotsman" to point out that someone claiming to be a communist who doesn't fit the definition is not, in fact, a communist.

    30. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think again:

      Uninsured trauma patients may get better hospital care:

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/19/uninsured-trauma-treatment/5614227/

    31. Re:If only there were a system by Gavagai80 · · Score: 0

      Get real. People below the federal poverty line pay federal income taxes. I've been there. It's right there in your IRS tax table too if you read it. We also don't get health coverage unless we're down to practically zero savings (and that's hardly a help since ERs had to take people without insurance anyway for decades). In fact, I'm ineligible for any health insurance subsidies because I don't make enough money -- an individual has to make at least around $16K/yr to get subsidies, below that the only option is medicare which will not pay for anything until you lose all your savings.

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    32. Re:If only there were a system by sabri · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you put down the Ayn Rand and looked at the fragging world around you you might see that there are many societies between those two extremes and many of them generate far better outcomes for a majority of their citizens than the US does. BTW good work conflating equality of opportunity with 'equal', and making out Soviet Union is the only possible implementation and outcome for socialism. It's thinking like that has made, and continues to make, the USA the mostly ignorant redneck paradise it is today.

      Maybe you should stop assuming that everyone here is an American citizen. I am from Europe and from mixed parents. My father was born in an eastern Europe country and my mother was born in a western European country. I have seen communism in former Yugoslavia and I have seen "western socialism" in The Netherlands. I moved from The Netherlands to the US in 2010. Let me indulge you in some of the differences that I've seen:

      - homeless people: more than enough in Amsterdam, same story in San Jose.
      - education: everything before college is public and for free in both countries;
      - universities are slightly less expensive in The Netherlands with almost interest-free loans to pay for the lower tuition and living expenses;
      - healthcare: everybody is forced by law to have healthcare insurance in The Netherlands. If you don't you pay a fine.
      - taxes: 52% income tax and 21% sales tax in The Netherlands.
      - social security: if you don't work, you'll still get approx $2000 monthly from the state. With the minimum wage being at the same level, many people choose not to work. My 73% tax on every Euro that I earned went straight to people who choose not to work.

      Bottom line: I moved to the US to escape the Socialist State of a so-called free and democratic country.

      Now try again to convince me how your Marxist views are good for the world.

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    33. Re:If only there were a system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea that we have anything similar to a free market in the US is honestly laughable.

      This is honestly one of the most ignorant posts I have seen on ./ in a while, and I've seen a fair few.

  3. Doubtful. by Fishchip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...'because a world with universal access and 100 times faster internet could mean 100 times the learning."

    Oh, you funny crazy optimistic Google guys. You confused 'learning' with 'pornography and memes'.

    Besides that, what about people in rural areas? What about people who still rely on dialup? They're already in existence but because some rich people in certain cities will have stupid fast Internet, there's suddenly an Internet class divide?

    1. Re:Doubtful. by Panspechi · · Score: 2

      It,s a crappy exaggeration... let,s not innovate too much because someone might be left behind! I'm siding with the Google deployment on this one; they offer a better service for what seems quite a bit less money. This has more chance to bring the internet to poorer people than ever before (although only in towns for now, but it is only beginning).

    2. Re:Doubtful. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [Google] offer[s] a better service for what seems quite a bit less money.

      This.

      I don't see how charging a one-time fee of $300 for the initial hookup is "putting broadband out of the reach of the poor" when the competing companies charge upwards of $60 - $100 per month for service. If anything, it's doing the exact opposite.

      Is Michael Brick employed by ComCast or something?

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    3. Re:Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > let,s not innovate too much

      To be fair, this country would be better off with more consistent improvements that help all people instead of ones that help only the few. For example, the legality of private schools in this country mean that the rich get better educations than everyone else. That is one factor that is destroying the middle class. Instead, they should be outlawed so everyone works to make schools better. That's the only fair thing to do.

      The same is true with Internet access. Instead of spending tons of money to make a few Republican areas ridiculously fast, we should invest in technology that will help everyone. Where I live in downtown Seattle, Comcast has the government-granted cable monopoly, but they don't offer service on my street so we're stuck with DSL. Because of the distance from the CO, the connections here are typically less than 1 Mbps for almost $70/month. I'm in a neighborhood that is very smart, but very poor. As an example, we voted for Obama by more than 80% in the last election. Instead of giving the rich Republicans a thousand times the speed we have, the government should instead work on increasing our speed. That is the only fair thing to do. Improving our speed is as simple as replacing a few 30+ year-old 66 blocks and a few troublesome spots of 30+ year-old wiring instead of the Republican method of digging and putting in fiber. That is much easier, faster, and cheaper so we can help more people.

    4. Re:Doubtful. by silas_moeckel · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's worse than that they could pay $25 a month for 12 months to cover the install cost, and get free internet from then on.

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    5. Re:Doubtful. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Besides that, what about people in rural areas? What about people who still rely on dialup? They're already in existence but because some rich people in certain cities will have stupid fast Internet, there's suddenly an Internet class divide?

      Actually there is and getting wider, I've been watching the national telecom statistics here in Norway and the bottom 20% are rather stuck, also known as the people who only have broadband because the government forced the telco to give them a phone line, but who'll never see an upgrade over their crappy ADSL ever without subsidies. Same with mobile data, not enough customers to justify it. Meanwhile the people in central areas are constantly seeing new forms of fiber, cable, xDSL, super-3G, 4G etc. to give them higher and higher speeds.

      That said, the government here in Norway is promising 100 Mbit/s capability to 90% of the population within 2020, but I'll see it before I believe it. Still, 23% of households already have fiber as of last year so we're doing fairly well I think.

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    6. Re:Doubtful. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Besides that, what about people in rural areas? What about people who still rely on dialup?

      Don't worry, we've already been giving money to telecoms to help rural people get internet. Really.

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    7. Re:Doubtful. by uncqual · · Score: 1

      I think Google has only guaranteed free internet for 7 years. Without adjusting for inflation, that $300 'construction fee' amortized over the guaranteed free period works out to be about $3.57/month.

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    8. Re:Doubtful. by uncqual · · Score: 1

      I'm in a neighborhood that is very smart, but very poor.

      Smart people usually figure out how to solve their problems, so I assume not being poor is not very high on the priority list of those in your neighborhood -- and that's fine, but it's their decision.

      However, since the state of Washington was guaranteed to vote for Obama (he carried Washington by almost 15% over the incompetent Republican candidate), smart people would have considered sending a message by voting for a third party candidate (perhaps Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Justice, Socialism and Liberation, or Socialist Workers) that better reflected their core principles rather than voting for big business Democrat who didn't need their vote to win. It's very strange that 80% of your neighborhood didn't think to do so given their superior intellect and instead made a conscious decision to waste their time and vote by voting to no effect (maybe that's why they are poor, they don't understand math or simple concepts like the Electoral College?).

      However, I suspect it's more likely that the people in your neighborhood are not quite as smart as you think. Don't worry, it's a common failing for people of lower intelligence to overestimate their own intelligence and inaccurately estimate the intelligence of others. In fact, it's called the Downing effect which, oddly, results in people with lower IQs tending to overestimate their IQ and people with higher IQs tending to underestimate their IQs. Perhaps this is because it requires intelligence to understand intelligence.

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    9. Re:Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heavy JS and css delays plus useless DNS queries to domains unrelated to content, such as tracking pixels...
      Our 3G mobile bandwidth can barely take it. If the world expects 4G to be the minimum, how on earth are we going to deal with the waste-age? The only fast way of getting on the web from underpowered devices and environments is 1) turning off everything that isn't pure HTML text 2) if possible, adding blocker extensions (which rules out both Firefox or Chrome mobile anyway IIRC)

    10. Re:Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not. I live in one of the most poverse parts of the US. I've brought it up to a lot of people I've met around here and not one of them says that's out of reach. They claim they will gladly go without extras for a month or two to afford that price. I can believe they would considering that's what we have to do around here to get any nice stuff like TVs, stoves, refrigerators, washers, dryers or our cars street legal (it may be affordable for the fortunate but you regularly see $300+ for someone around here counting temporary insurance, license renewal and tags for the plate).

    11. Re:Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Google has only guaranteed free internet for 7 years.

      I will just note that this is about twice as long as Comcast was able to give me substandard, crappy cable service. I just can't wait for Google to make it to my city.

    12. Re:Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, this country would be better off with more consistent improvements that help all people instead of ones that help only the few. For example, the legality of private schools in this country mean that the rich get better educations than everyone else. That is one factor that is destroying the middle class. Instead, they should be outlawed so everyone works to make schools better. That's the only fair thing to do.

      The trouble is that no one can seem to agree on what constitutes a good education. Creationism in school science classes? Evolution? Sex ed? And we haven't even touched on yet discipline problems in the classroom and maneuvering your kids around the poor teachers entrenched in the system. Many parents just want their kids to get a good quality education (whatever that is) so that they are prepared to go on to college. Meanwhile, the kids won't stop growing up while the adults take their sweet time trying to untangle the rat's nest that public education has become.

    13. Re:Doubtful. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      so because some people cant afford XX, you want to take XX away from everyone. You clearly do not understand how things are supposed to work in america

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    14. Re:Doubtful. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I'm in a neighborhood that is very smart, but very poor. As an example, we voted for Obama by more than 80% in the last election

      Smart is not the word I would use for that....

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    15. Re:Doubtful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must posit that the poor undereducated folks are the ones most likely to balk at the upfront cost and not realize the lower monthly cost will save them a great deal more money over the longer term. Notice cellphone plans, T-Mobile had the plan that lacked a $10/month phone subsidy several years ago, yet fairly few people opted for those plans. Many people (at least in the US) often don't consider the longer term...

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  4. presume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "one presumes the outcome could be 100x the learning divide"

    Yeah, and one could presume the moon is made of cheese.

  5. Constant theme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't live in a Star Trek world (yet).

    How do we divide limited resources fairly?

    Who should win and who should go without?

  6. hrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this went through my mind after reading the OP and the linked articles:

    "We have spin coverage on the network and throughout the InterLink."

    If you don't know where that's from, I weep for you.

  7. 100 x faster learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope. Pron HD. Angry Birdz. Facebook, twitter and imgur, YES.
    Learning - still subject to the individual, like the few quiet students in the 300 + high-school class
    that actually did stuff instead of the "in" activities or church, or raves nowadays....

    Sorry, but the digital divide is not just due to internet speeds.

  8. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many neighborhoods were demolished to make way for the internet superhighway?

  9. This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only people harmed by Google's high speed access are the CEOs of companies that have sucked down billions in government money for providing high speed internet access while doing nothing to actually provide it.

    1. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by lochnessie · · Score: 1

      Amen! (in lieu of mod points)

    2. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by dclozier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly - the digital divide wouldn't be any less worse without Google. If anything Google is slowly forcing the hands of the large telcos to bolster their services or have their lunches eaten.

    3. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
      Comcast is really doing everything it can to get teh TWC acquisition approved. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02...

      WASHINGTON — Only a few hours had passed after the $45 billion merger between Comcast and Time Warner Cable was announced last week when an early voice emerged endorsing the giant deal.

      “Win-win situation for American businesses,” said the statement from the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

      It was the start of what Comcast executives acknowledge will be a carefully orchestrated campaign, as the company will seek hundreds of such expressions of support for the deal — from members of Congress, state officials and leaders of nonprofit and minority-led groups — as it tries to nudge federal authorities to approve the merger.

      But what the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce did not mention in its statement praising the transaction was that it had collected at least $320,000 over the last five years from Comcast’s charitable foundation, which is run in part by David L. Cohen, the Comcast executive who oversees the corporation’s government affairs operations....

    4. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most of the 'divide' is from our telco companies themselves, wanting to be a monopoly. Ask someone in india what they pay for an all you can eat data cell plan then compare it to your cost. Big diff huh? Try 10-20x diff for the same tech per year. Ask someone in japan what they pay for 100MB symmetrical fios line. Oh you cant even get it huh? Well too bad, enjoy your DSL speeds if your lucky.

      No competition means little to no innovation. As they can do the bare minimum to lower their costs and charge you a princely sum for the privilege. Our city/county/state/federal gov LET them do it, and in some cases colluded with them to cause it to happen. This has been going on for 50+ years now. The names may change but the dance is the same.

      For example I currently use TW which will probably be bought out by Comcast. My bill will go up by 15-20 dollars. For less service than I get now. Monopoly pricing at its best.

    5. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Amen to that. If you look at the Google Fiber Cities plan at https://fiber.google.com/newci... , you can more or less see that Google Fiber is trying to avoid population centers where the internet is already well developed (DC-NYC-BOS corridor, LA, Chicago, Seattle, Houston) and primarily concentrating in "up-n-coming" low-cost southern tech centers, which already typically get lower marks for education.

      So if anything, Google Fiber appears to be trying to bring the poors up rather than help the richers widen the gap.

    6. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > already well developed (DC-NYC-BOS corridor, LA, Chicago, Seattle, Houston)

      What? Seattle? What in the hell. Access here in Seattle is horrific. Comcast has the government-granted cable monopoly, and they do not offer service to the entire city. There are quite a few areas where CenturyLink DSL is the only option, like the street where I live. Because of the very old phone wiring in most of Seattle and the distance to COs (central offices, Seattle has about the same number per sq mile as most cities but because of water obstructions the average distance to a CO is much higher than you would expect), it's rare to see a connection above 2 Mbps. A good portion of the 66-blocks are exposed to weather and most of the wiring has brittle insulation. Most of my neighbors and myself have less than 1 Mbps connections. My bill for that slow speed is $68.93. I had access more than ten times faster twelve years ago when I lived in Georgia. Seattle is an absolute shithole when it comes to Internet access.

    7. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Oh, over on Eastside I have Frontier FiOS (formerly Verizon). It's pretty great.

    8. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by clovis · · Score: 1

      I think you got that backwards. Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh are, and have been, consistently at top of "most wired cities" lists.
      http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/...

    9. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Except Google is selectively picking areas based on maximising profits rather than providing universal access so it's the same problem. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jo...

      Comcast wants to selectively serve areas and be the pipe + content provider. Google wants to selectively serve areas and is a pipe + content provider. Sorry but tell me again where the improvement is?

      The problem is broadband in the US is bad enough that too many people are willing to accept one bad deal to avoid another.

    10. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just talked to Frontier, and the closest service they have to me is nearly 25 miles away in Woodinville, WA. A company that has a tiny footprint in the middle of nowhere isn't exactly a good solution.

      I also took the opportunity to bother Comcast again about upgrading. They still have no plans to expand here. It's too bad the city doesn't make the provide service after granting them a monopoly.

    11. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Along that line of thinking, also look at the plans Google offers, the lowest tier plan is FREE and 5mb/s is a decent speed. This opens up the internet to everyone in the google fiber area.

    12. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Google wants to selectively serve areas and is a pipe + content provider. Sorry but tell me again where the improvement is?

      The argument that any new competitor in a market should immediately service all 300+ million people in the US or not be allowed to enter the market is the type of protectionist BS that's spouted by monopolies who want to protect the cash cows that they've been feeding off of. Shame on you for even trying it.

      What Google is doing is adding competition to the markets they enter. Competition drives down prices. That's exactly the opposite of what Comcast is trying to accomplish with the Time Warner Cable merger, their multiple lawsuits against cities that decided to build out their own ISP network and astroturf stories like this one.

    13. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      the lowest tier plan is FREE and 5mb/s is a decent speed.

      When I'm paying comcast $50/mo for 6mb/s, this is almost enough to make me move to Kansas City.

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    14. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're such a whiny cunt Typical for Seattle.

    15. Re:This is the most retarded astroturf post ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that. If you look at the Google Fiber Cities plan at https://fiber.google.com/newci... [google.com] , you can more or less see that Google Fiber is trying to avoid population centers where the internet is already well developed (DC-NYC-BOS corridor, LA, Chicago, Seattle, Houston) and primarily concentrating in "up-n-coming" low-cost southern tech centers, which already typically get lower marks for education.

      As someone who lives in LA, and can literally spit out my window and it will land on a datacenter, and only has access to "3-6 mbps" Clear 4G wireless, or 2 mbps DSL from either Time Warner or AT&T (sub-leased through like 5 other companies that all add fees and take away value), I reject your assertion. I really wonder why they don't do LA. Sure, we have infrastructure. LADWP (dept of water and power) from what I understand, has terabits upon terabits of dark fiber strewn throughout the city. But it IS dark. No idea why. No idea why in a city of 15 million people, I can't get faster than 2 mbps internet, AND I LIVE DOWN FUCKING TOWN. There is not a single company I can buy from. Why? FUCKING WHY?~!!?!?!?!!?

  10. No good deed goes unpunished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No good deed goes unpunished

  11. Journalists love calling out google for everything by Niterios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, a faster speed is bad because some won't have access to it? How is not implementing a faster speed option going to help them? This is the exact same problem with, for example, real estate: Since some people can pay for better houses, should we prohibit such houses because it gives them an unfair advantage? It seems that the author does not realize that the problem is of much greater dimensions than: "Google is discriminating people by income." Capitalism is discriminating people by income, and if that is his complaint, then his article sucks at conveying it.

  12. Er... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, the company offering free service if you pay a one-time fee for the hookup (a fairly reasonable one, at that) is totally making the digital divide worse. Clearly.

    The pricing of their gigabit offering is fantastic. And while that price is undoubtedly out of the reach of poor people, so is almost everything. If it's really that important to have gigabit internet for the nation's poor, then that's something the government (as well as charitable organizations) needs to subsidize, just like with anything else that is deemed necessary (but too expensive for the poverty-stricken to afford). In no way can Google be reasonably found to be at fault here.

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    1. Re:Er... by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, the company offering free service if you pay a one-time fee for the hookup (a fairly reasonable one, at that) is totally making the digital divide worse. Clearly.

      And the free service is 5mbps, more than fast enough for Khan Academy and Coursera.

      It's as if Google realized in advance that the lunatics would scream "digital divide" because they were charging -- at a dirt cheap price -- for a superlative Internet service, so they tried to head that criticism off at the pass by offering a lower-speed free service.

      But still the lunatics scream "digital divide". And Slashdot editors gave them a platform.

    2. Re:Er... by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      The article was written like a really subtle Onion article. It talks about how google went to surprising lengths to identify the problem and fix it, then has some asshole criticizing google for sending wifi balloons to Africa rather than giving it away for free in kansas city.

    3. Re:Er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And graciously, we recognize them for the idiots that they are!

      We, well most of us, know the score here, and Google isn't the one at fault!

    4. Re:Er... by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but they are willing to let you pay that install fee in monthly installments, over the course of a year, no financing fees involved.

      That's $300 up front, or $25/month for one year, after which you have guaranteed 6 more years of free service. If you want to break it down, that's around $3.57 a month of the course of this agreement. AND there were NPO's offering to help people offset even that much.

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    5. Re:Er... by slew · · Score: 1

      In no way can Google be reasonably found to be at fault here.

      Nonsequitor.

      Example, Microsoft can be found at fault if it "gives-away" internet explorer free with every copy of windows. People than couldn't afford a computer with windows, but if it were to be deemed necessary, could use a computer w/o windows (say Linux) with another internet browser (say Firefox), or perhaps have the government or charitable organizations subsidize them (effectively giving that tax money to Microsoft), right.

      Oh right, there's no option other than Microsoft because they killed the rest of the market by pricing below cost...

      Just because it's free doesn't mean it doesn't cost somebody something...

    6. Re:Er... by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Google's free tier is even better than multiple tiers other providers charge good money for.

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  13. Faster internet will help regardless. by Zitchas · · Score: 1

    Having widespread gigabit internet should, in theory, continue to benefit the entire society, not just those capable of affording it. Even if the lower segment of society can not afford it, they should still benefit from it. After all, libraries and other public access points should be able to afford it, especially given that encouraging education is part of their mandate.

    That being said, I disagree with the logic that one needs to have access to top-tier internet in order to advance one's education. Most of that bandwidth, in private use instances, is going to be taken up in streaming netflix, videogames, and torrents. (and related services) Very little is going to be used for educational purposes. If one is actually intent on learning, a tiny fraction of a gigabit connection is all that is needed, so long as one focuses on that and not trying to multitask.

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    1. Re:Faster internet will help regardless. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      It's not quite so simple. Just because you help everybody, doesn't mean you help everybody equally. And from a social equality perspective anything that disproportionately helps the rich is equivalent to suppressing the poor.

      For now at least though I'm not seeing the big deal - I can't think of any serious social advantage bestowed by internet speeds beyond what's necessary for video phones and Khan academy videos. Then again, if gigabit internet becomes the norm among the upper and middle-class such things could well begin to default to 4k video, rendering them largely inaccessible to the poor.

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    2. Re:Faster internet will help regardless. by Zitchas · · Score: 1

      Probably the amusing part is that this all assumes that increased internet speeds actually *help* people. Being able to load funny cat videos 100x faster isn't really a significant benefit, really. And lets be honest: Most people getting these gigabit connections are not going to be spending their time exclusively doing research and watching online courses. If they did, maybe it will help the rich more than the poor, but chances are they won't.

      And I fail to see how any online service could start to default to 4k video anytime in the near future. 4k screens aren't exactly common. There isn't even enough market saturation of high bandwidth connection (and big screens) for 1080p to the the default size on youtube. (I think it's generally defaulting to 480p or maybe 720p).

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  14. Yeah, that FREE internet is sure excluding people by mattack2 · · Score: 2

    From the link they provided, you can get FREE basic internet, and IIRC, they were even waiving the $300 setup fee that the page mentions.

  15. Pricing that's out of reach... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [quote]Without universal access, as is the case in KC due to pricing that's out of the reach of many of the city's poor...[/quote]

    Sure, the city's poor may not be able to afford the $70/month for gigabit speeds, but what other ISP offers 5Mbps internet for *FREE*?

    1. Re:Pricing that's out of reach... by ynp7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Man, wait until he/she finds out that Comcast is charging us $80/month for a fraction of that speed.

  16. Let's stop tech until everyone can have it by siphonophore · · Score: 1

    It's 2100, and we only have a few years to go before the last sub-saharan gets a modem and we can turn on the internet!

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  17. smh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The fiber service deployment means multiplicity of the digital divide, multidimensionality of the digital divide"

    Does this idiot even understand the words that are coming out of his mouth?

    1. Re:smh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, her mouth, not his...

  18. Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the free service you can get from them? It does cost $300 up front, but they do allow you to make a payment of $25 a month. You won't find a service that will be cheaper than that, and after one year it's free.

  19. In other news... by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Ford is making the transportation gap worse by producing vehicles that the poor can't afford, and I am making the car analogy gap worse by making car analogies people who don't read Slashdot can't see.

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    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You monster

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, the fact that The Gap stores aren't primarily located in low-income areas increases The Gap gap.

    3. Re:In other news... by Metrol · · Score: 2

      Have you fully considered the multidimensionality of the vehicular divide of which you speak? Oh my gosh, and the multiplicity of the analogy gap!

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  20. Highway to hell by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's what I call Google fiber: this goddamned company is trying to control anything, from the OS (Android) to carrier to search engine to the entire freaking internet.

    Don't you see? It's not the digital divide we should fear, it's the Google monopoly. Once they control everything, they'll dictate what you can do and not do on their internet.

    Super-fast internet connectivity attracts internet users like honey the proverbial fly. That's why Google offers it. Once we're stuck in the honey though, we'll be in real trouble...

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    1. Re:Highway to hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't see Google being any worse than local monopolies the slow, plodding telcos provide us with currently. At least Google is providing an alternative to AT&T's pathetic Uverse service, Time Warner's horrible upstream speeds, etc..

      Google has gotten where they are by being good at what they do. Best search engine tech ever, they win. Best mobile phone OS, they win again. Integration between their mobile phone OS and their services, another win. See where this is going? Consumers are choosing where they have choices, Google isn't shoving anything down anyone's throats.

      *not a paid shill, just tired of Scroogled reactivists.*

    2. Re:Highway to hell by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2

      Yes you're right: Google is good, really really good. And they're so good that, when customers/users have a choice, they choose Google... until Google is the only provider left, and then you have a monopoly and you're trapped because there's no other service left to switch to.

      It's already happened: want to upload Youtube videos? You have to subscribe to Google+ and its invasive TOS. Don't want G+? You have to use Vimeo or Dailymotion or other inferior online video services. And because Google has grown so massive, they have the means to drive Vimeo and Dailymotion out of business for good.

      See where this is going?

      This is not reactivism, this is fighting monopolies. Monopolies are bad: whichever way they come about, they're bad news. The telcos you complain about behave this way precisely because they're monopolies.

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    3. Re:Highway to hell by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      until Google is the only provider left

      Right now, Google Fiber is available in 3 cities and possibly expanding to 9 more. How do you go from that to "Google will be the only one left"? Even if they do take out the local Big ISP (Read: make it impossible for Comcast to compete because Comcast insists on giving you slower speeds for more per month), how is this any different than the local Big ISP being the only game in town? Right now, my only option for broadband Internet access is Time Warner Cable (possibly soon to be Comcast). TWC really doesn't need to do anything to win over my business because they know it's either pay them what they demand for what they offer me or go back to dial-up. If Google Fiber came to my town, they would provide much needed competition and would spur TWC to improve their offerings.

      It's already happened: want to upload Youtube videos? You have to subscribe to Google+ and its invasive TOS.

      So upload your videos somewhere else. If you don't like YouTube (or more specifically the TOS you need to agree to), don't use it. Are you suggesting that getting Google Fiber will require you to use YouTube instead of Vimeo, Dailymotion, or some other video service?

      The telcos you complain about behave this way precisely because they're monopolies.

      And the solution to breaking up the teleco monopolies is to block Google Fiber? Google has repeatedly said that they don't plan on taking Google Fiber nationwide as a major ISP. Obviously, they can change their mind on this at any time, but they aren't planning major rollouts. Right now, all Google Fiber is doing is causing the major ISPs to sweat a bit in a few select markets.

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    4. Re:Highway to hell by thunderbird32 · · Score: 2

      It's already happened: want to upload Youtube videos? You have to subscribe to Google+ and its invasive TOS. Don't want G+? You have to use Vimeo or Dailymotion or other inferior online video services. And because Google has grown so massive, they have the means to drive Vimeo and Dailymotion out of business for good.

      Vimeo isn't inferior, it just has a smaller userbase. It could be argued it has a different purpose as well, as there are certain kinds of videos (video game let's plays, for instance) that they don't allow on their service. Also, if the service is inferior, maybe they should improve their product, making it easier for them to compete with YouTube.

    5. Re:Highway to hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't want G+? You have to use Vimeo or Dailymotion or other inferior online video services. And because Google has grown so massive, they have the means to drive Vimeo and Dailymotion out of business for good.

      Vimeo isn't inferior, it just has a smaller userbase.

      I would also point out that, so far as I know, Google has not even hinted that they will try to throttle your connection to Vimeo and Dailymotion through their optical fiber infrastructure. The only thing that is standing in the way of Vimeo and dailymotion in terms of improving their service is their own ambition.

    6. Re:Highway to hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me not that Google are trying to control everything, but to ensure that consumers will continue to have an option where they can continue using Google's services. Google bought and developed Android to compete with Apple because Apple could at any time decide to block Google's services from their devices or maybe just limit the experience Apple's customers can have with Google's services. And likewise with ISPs. ISPs would likely have a harder time legally blocking Google's services, but their apathy towards providing good customer service can make users experience with Google's services poorer.

      That isn't to say we shouldn't beware of Google developing a monopoly because the company could change and become abusive at some point in the future, but I think you are misjudging Google's motives for doing what they are doing.

  21. um, no by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    'because a world with universal access and 100 times faster internet could mean 100 times the learning.'

    Yeah, uh, no.

    There are so many wrong assumptions there I don't even know where to start.

    BTW, I'm still waiting for TV to revolutionize learning like was promised ...

    1. Re:um, no by suutar · · Score: 1

      TV has revolutionized learning. It just wasn't a particularly beneficial revolution.

    2. Re:um, no by Immerman · · Score: 1

      What, you don't have your Google neural restructuring implant installed yet? It took me *weeks* to learn everything in the Library of congress over my crappy 2mbps 'net connection, with a gigabit link I could have learned it in mere minutes!

      I love my NRI. NRIs are wonderful. You should get an NRI.

      Ahem. Sorry, I think I dozed off I dozed off for a moment. What were you saying?

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    3. Re:um, no by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      TV has revolutionized learning. It just wasn't a particularly beneficial revolution.

      Badum ching!

      And sadly true.

  22. Comcast or Verizon? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Informative

    Who is paying this shill?

    1. Re:Comcast or Verizon? by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2

      Beware of Google, they may help people's lives, so only people in Comcast or Verizon zones are the underclass. There is definitely a shill here at play.

      In all seriousness, I can't wait til Google rolls out more fiber! I want 1-10 gb/s speeds to challenge the jerks trying to get us to pay more and more for less and less.

    2. Re:Comcast or Verizon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had google fiber, you would have known this 100x sooner...

    3. Re:Comcast or Verizon? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My first thought when I saw this article was: "If Google Fiber is making the digital divide worse, then I hope they make it worse in my town next." I'm not holding my breath though. (Only have TWC - soon to be Comcast - here.)

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  23. Didn't RTFA but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is nonsense. The divide certainly exists but widening the gap isn't necessarily detrimental to the lower end of it if their service isn't diminished. While we're wildly speculating I'll hazard to guess that inferior technologies such as DSL and cable may actually become more affordable for the lower class as fiber claims the more affluent customers.

    1. Re:Didn't RTFA but... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      It used to be you could browse the web just fine over a 14.4kbps modem, and people would berate you if your web page was more than a few dozen kilobytes, images included. Care to guess at the size of the average web page these days, and how that effects what people on dial-up can comfortably do online?

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  24. Watching videos == learning? Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This means 100x more watching My Little Pony, not 100x more learning C++. It takes amazingly little bandwidth to learn C++. I used a book, for example.

    1. Re: Watching videos == learning? Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but visualise the bandwidth of a station wagon full of C++ books.

  25. Bandwidth isn't the issue by Neruocomp · · Score: 0

    This is about the last mile. You don't need fiber to your door to take advantage of it nor do you need access to that much bandwidth. My broadband comes in on twisted pair at 12Mbps and my issue isn't with bandwidth capacity, but with the price. The price of broadband needs to go down. The definition of what broadband is needs to change to increase the baseline of what can be called broadband.

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  26. broadband is there for netflix and youtube by alen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the only reason i have 20/2 is for netflix and youtube. the latter being the most educational, but the educational videos can be played on slower speeds
    everything else would work with under 10mbps internet
    wikipedia doesn't need 1gbps and that's the most educational site there is

    there is only one reason for fast internet and that's to make you spend more money buying on impulse. 1gpbs you can buy that movie NOW instead of waiting for the blu ray. or get that PS4 game NOW instead of driving to gamestop or best buy or waiting on amazon

    1. Re: broadband is there for netflix and youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter. You put the game DVD in your drive and install it. Then Steam makes you download 4gb if updates before you can play.

  27. It's more of a case of... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Another case of the unintended consequences of good intentions?...

    It is more a case of leaping blindly into unsubstantiated conclusions based upon the cherry-picking of information that suits your intent.

  28. Free for community centers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Also, Google is providing free gigabit connections to public schools, libraries, etc. in the neighborhoods that are getting gigabit fiber: https://fiber.google.com/about/communityconnections/

  29. Reading Speed is at 300baud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet he doesnt live in one of the future googlized fiber cities.
    The current trend is less and less words on page with bigger and bigger pictures, like NBCNEWS.com website.
    If 1 out 4 people dont know the earth goes around the sun , I can see the pain in all those that know better faces..
    The trend is more and more fiber anyways. I believe smart phones erased any of that social divide that was invented before.

  30. Betteridge's law of headlines by ityllux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems as good a time as any to dust off Betteridge's law of headlines: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

    1. Re:Betteridge's law of headlines by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      What happens if the headline reads: "Does Betteridge's Law of Headlines apply to this headline?"

      (If you answer "No", then it does apply so the answer should be "Yes", but if you answer "Yes" then it doesn't apply and you should answer "No".)

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    2. Re:Betteridge's law of headlines by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      This seems as good a time as any to dust off Betteridge's law of headlines: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

      I don't think it needs to be dusted off. It gets used so much, basically in every story with a question, that it's probably polished and shining by now.

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  31. Don't Hold Everyone Else Back by locopuyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Assuming Google fiber will force the competition to lower prices or increase their own bandwidth this is a simplified example of what is happening.

    Would you rather have:
    Google Fiber allowed: 50% of people have 1000 Mbit internet and 50% of people have 10 Mbit internet
    or
    Google Fiber is not allowed: 50% of people have 20 Mbit internet and 50% of people have 5 Mbit internet

    Forcing equality often just means lowering the standards of living for everyone. Even for people at the bottom.

    1. Re:Don't Hold Everyone Else Back by kqs · · Score: 1

      Assuming Google fiber will force the competition to lower prices or increase their own bandwidth this is a simplified example of what is happening.

      Nah. Increasing bandwidth is expensive; paying shills to write anti-Google articles is much cheaper.

      With their $300-installation-then-free plan Google is doing far more to bridge the digital divide than any of their competitors.

    2. Re:Don't Hold Everyone Else Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time Warner Cable is offering "Ultimate 100" in the Kansas City metro areas for $69.99 (100 Mbps down / 5 Mbps up). Google Fiber will be around my area in a year or two for $70 / month.

      I'm using Ultimate 100 until Google Fiber comes around. To address your assumption, the competition (Time Warner Cable) has lowered their prices. The $69.99 is NOT a promotional offer and Time Warner said that rate will not change (we'll see how long that lasts).

      AT&T keeps offering special promotions and "upgrading" my area to faster speeds but I dislike their U-Verse.

      In my area there is another cable company (formerly SureWest, now CCI) that I sent a "good bye" letter when I changed to Time Warner Cable. CCI has 30 Mbps up / 30 Mbps down for (fiber to house) for~$69 / month and $150 / month for 50 Mbps up / 50 Mbps down.

      Competition is good, in most cases.

    3. Re:Don't Hold Everyone Else Back by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      That's how we roll in the US. Poor little Johnny is having trouble adding? We can't hold him back so now no one learns to add until he catches up!

  32. How exactly is this making it worse? by ynp7 · · Score: 1

    This is complete bullshit. In other markets we're paying the same prices for far slower speeds and those who can't afford the Free that Google is charging for 5/1MBit aren't getting Internet here either.

    Internet access needs to be more widely available. Internet access needs to be cheaper. What the fuck does that have to do with Google Fiber specifically?

  33. City's should embrace the infrastructure by JoeDaddyZZZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cities that want to help business should embrace fiber and use their dollars to help build it out, instead trying to attract business via cheap loans or tax relief. Spend the tax dollars to improve everyone's life.

    1. Re:City's should embrace the infrastructure by suutar · · Score: 1

      Cities don't have the budget to fight the cable and phone companies in the state legislature and the courts to get/keep permission to lay fiber.

  34. But, as TFA states, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You won't get free service if you are poor and must move into where the poor live and the landlords didn't pay for the hookup. No khan academy for you.

  35. PPM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To paraphrase an old colleague, 100 times faster internet means 100x more PPM - porn per minute.

  36. Learning? Who is learning? by techstar25 · · Score: 1

    Don't assume that access to the internet is making anybody smarter. I think that's the real question. If anything, access to the internet is making people less intelligent, and I think there is more evidence to support that claim. The child who walks to the library and picks up a book and reads is going to end up smarter than the kids who hits up wikipedia, youtube, and various blogs to get his information.

    1. Re:Learning? Who is learning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't assume that access to the internet is making anybody smarter. I think that's the real question. If anything, access to the internet is making people less intelligent, and I think there is more evidence to support that claim. The child who walks to the library and picks up a book and reads is going to end up smarter than the kids who hits up wikipedia, youtube, and various blogs to get his information.

      Since you have suggested that there is actual evidence to back up your claim, I assume that you won't mind providing some of it. So is any of that evidence better than merely yanking bald assertions out of your ass? Enquiring minds want to know.

  37. First, Do Evil by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As we all know, Google's charter starts with the phrase "First, Do Evil".

    Look, there's literally a 100 GB/second pipe in the building I'm in, and two more just 2 blocks away, and 40 GB/second pipes all over the UW Seattle campus and the UW Tacoma campus.

    Almost all top tier US and Canadian research universities have this, and we could easily build this out within a few miles if we actually wanted to fund that as a National Priority, just like we went to the Moon when we wanted to.

    There are choices.

    We just aren't prepared to fund them as a nation.

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    1. Re:First, Do Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, in the USA not everyone's even on board with the idea that the federal government should spend money on the military.
      You're not going to get people to agree to spend tax dollars on letting more people watch more simultaneous Netflix streams.

    2. Re:First, Do Evil by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      What about places like where my family farms are located? The costs to lay fibre down all those roads would be prohibitive since you maybe would serve .5 homes per mile. Maybe even less. Hell my grandmother didn't have a private line until 1991. I remember going down there in the 1980's and she had a party line still.

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    3. Re:First, Do Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so sick of these farmers and their complaining about being in the boondocks.
      Why don't you move to the cities like everyone else and grow your "food" (whatever the heck that is) here where the rest of us are.

    4. Re:First, Do Evil by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

      You can get along perfectly fine with 20 Gbps internet along your power lines in rural areas.

      Build a few wind turbines or solar PV arrays and they'll run the lines to your family farm for the excess power you sell.

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    5. Re:First, Do Evil by symbolset · · Score: 1

      In rural Grant county Washington they have had municipal gigabit fiber to the home for 14 years. If the people make it a priority it will happen.

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    6. Re:First, Do Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have a decent connection, but if you choose to live in the middle of nowhere you can't expect the same services as those who live in cities. Although there should at least be the option for a decent and affordable wireless connection (subsidized by the government if need be)

  38. Re:No, Socialist politicians are by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

    >And you morons vote for this shit. Really? The irony.

  39. Diminishing returns by satuon · · Score: 1

    I bet that the difference between having 50 KB/s connection and having no Internet is greater than between having 50 KB/s and 50 MB/s.

    1. Re:Diminishing returns by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      devices to access the internet can be made in bulk for less than $100

      in a couple years that price will probably be below $25. most poor people in USA have TVs after all...

    2. Re:Diminishing returns by Paco103 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. Slow Internet invokes rage, hatred, and violent thoughts that most people without internet will never face.

  40. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention that these prices are cheap compared to competitors like Comcast. Those fuckers charged me like $75 for a self-install when I moved AND they charge $75+ (before taxes) a month for a lot slower connection than Google Fiber.

    Let's get fiber rolled out as far and wide as we can, then worry about whoever is getting left behind. Because right now that's basically all of us!

  41. Not only that, but... by NickAragua · · Score: 2

    People also use the internet for learning.

    1. Re:Not only that, but... by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's true, but I'd say that the economic divide sending some people to Stanford and others who started with equal skill to Chico State is a much larger learning division than 100 Mbps vs 56 kbps. To think that somebody getting 100 Mbps downloads is learning 100x faster than somebody getting 1Mbps is ridiculous. The guys who developed the atomic bomb communicated using their voices, shoes, and chalk boards.

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    2. Re:Not only that, but... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      ...about porn.

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    3. Re:Not only that, but... by tlambert · · Score: 1

      That's true, but I'd say that the economic divide sending some people to Stanford and others who started with equal skill to Chico State is a much larger learning division than 100 Mbps vs 56 kbps.

      The solution to this is not economic, it's for the students to work on themselves enough to get academic merit scholarships.

  42. This is what I have come to dislike about fairness by quitte · · Score: 1

    It increasingly seems to me that the demand for fairness is a race to the bottom and results in a loose-loose situation. Because if not everyone gets the good stuff noone should get it - because of the so called fairness.

    This happens so often as to make me angry - and I'm far from privileged.

  43. Does make it worse: it adds a tier. by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

    Before you had to choose between crappy cable or crappy dsl and watched as other nations like South Korea were on the lucky side of the digital divide.

    Now we have three tiers: Crappy American connection, Awesome South Korean connection, and Fantasy Google connection.

    Thanks Google for giving people unrealistic dreams. ... As soon as they announce where they are connecting in Austin, I'm moving.

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  44. Maybe, depending on your view, but who cares? by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can't hold back progress just because not everyone has gotten aboard the train. That train is leaving just as soon as it can make a buck.

    Po'boy can't get no youtube lickitysplit on an ol' busted DSL line, but he can still browse wikipedia. And back when he couldn't get wikipedia he could still hit up a library. And I imagine people will complain that the poor unwashed masses with their slow and broken fiber lines won't be able to access the hivemind as quickly as and as comfortably as his rich relatives.

    You're bitching that the digital divide is increasing because someone is plowing ahead. The poor will always be playing catchup. It's part of what makes them poor. And sure, that sucks. But would you blame the Wright brothers for keep the poor downtrodden and earthbound while making a device that only the rich could afford? No. So please, kindly, GTFO of the way of progress. CHOO CHOO!

    1. Re:Maybe, depending on your view, but who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Po'boy can't get no youtube lickitysplit on an ol' busted DSL line

      This is my favorite.

    2. Re: Maybe, depending on your view, but who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Choo choo choose me!" says Ralph Wiggam.

    3. Re:Maybe, depending on your view, but who cares? by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Po'boy can't get no youtube lickitysplit on an ol' busted DSL line

      This sounds like my parents house.

  45. "under-represented members" can STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    What they can have is incompetent unionized teachers that can't be fired, high taxes, failing infrastructure, and endemic government corruption.

    Because that's what they vote for.

    See also: Detroit.

  46. Obviously, Cable and Landlines did the same thing. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    Oh wait... this astroturf is being provided by the cabletelcos, right?

    If this argument were true, than when telephones were introduced (require landlines) it must have created a huge information divide. Then, when cable companies came along and allowed you to watch 20 times the TV channels than OTA, this must have got even WORSE. Learning hampered, communication blockaded for people without somewhere to hook up their TV and phone.

    So let's make the cable and telephone companies give away high speed bandwith over the air, and see if that closes up this huge gulf we've been experiencing for the past 75+ years.

  47. Why single out Google? by misnohmer · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget those evil universities whose teaching is not affordable to everyone, those sure are creating a learning divide - we need to close them all. How about those premium bed and mattress manufacturers, good night of sleep definitely helps learning, so someone with a better bed definitely has an unfair advantage. How about those healthy food providers, health is a definite advantage - we should force everyone to eat only what the poorest can afford to level the playing field. Those evil doctors who date to cure people who pay them, hang them all! We all need to go back to the stone age where everything was equal, oh wait, there was this guy who produced stone tools and only gave it to his family and friends, gotta axe him too.

    What a retarded communist argument to make... I bet it's the other telco's who sponsored this.

  48. probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cox communications

  49. Hunger Games by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure this is how it all starts.

  50. But Time Warner says speed doesn't matter by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.wired.com/wiredente...

    And Google Fiber is already having positive effects on their cable competition:

    http://consumerist.com/2013/01...

    http://www.pcworld.com/article...

  51. Poor people can't afford is so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just not upgrade anything ever again...

  52. Re:This is what I have come to dislike about fairn by misnohmer · · Score: 2

    It's the old communist argument - everyone must be equal. That this boils down to is bring everyone to the lowest common denominator. World isn't fair, and good thing because if it was we'd all be on welfare (to be fair to the lazy guy who doesn't want to work, we should all not work to have the same this) - oh wait, who would pay for this welfare for all? I know, the rich guys. Ok, let's see, if we were to spread Bill Gate's fortune across the population of the world, we'd all get what, $10 each? Not to mention there would be no food since all farmers, bakers, and other professions would also be on welfare so it would be fair.

  53. Google Offers free Internet, so less divide? by majormer · · Score: 1

    So, Google Fiber is offering 7 years of free internet service at current cable speeds for the $300 cost of installation (they allow $25 for 12 months, then 6 free years after that). Since they are providing the current provider speeds at significantly reduced rates, wouldn't that narrow the divide more than extend it? If you have a house with no Internet access, and you provide access, isn't that infinitely more enabling than providing gigabit to those with 10 megabit speeds?

    I live in KC and Fiber is being installed down the street. We discuss what the speed increase provides, and almost universally agree that the benefits are minor, although power users will find a way to use some of the bandwidth.

  54. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by ThatAblaze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idea here is that when a significant portion of the internet population has 100mb/s connections then web site owners will start building services that cater to those people and require that quick of a connection. This will leave the people that are wayyy on the other side of the curve that much further behind. There is not analogous effect in real estate, i.e. if 10% more of the population has larger houses then it doesn't eventually make your small house less functional.

    Anyway, I disagree with your argument but not with your point. I think a better analogy would have been car ownership. It's very hard to get around and keep a job (outside of the inner city) without a car. The infrastructure of our society has become so dependent on cars that only the very poor don't have one. However, if anyone seriously tried to argue that making better cars was promoting the class divide they would be laughed at. It misses the point.

  55. Adding a tier does not make it worse! by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people having slow connections instead of fast connections is clearly superior to everybody having slow connections.

    The fault in causing the digital divide lies not with Google for being fast, but rather with every other ISP for being slow!

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  56. Google already offers a lower than lifeline option by danlor · · Score: 1

    Google offers a free fiber internet connection with monthly cost guaranteed for 7 years. There is a 300 dollar install fee to cover the cost of the modem, but thats it. Seems pretty damn reasonable.

  57. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Since some people can pay for better houses, should we prohibit such houses because it gives them an unfair advantage?

    Well, that's the general "inequality" idea ... I agree that it makes no sense. But everyone from the president on down seems to believe it

  58. True.... But you forget.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were all in the same room at the time.

    1. Re:True.... But you forget.. by gnick · · Score: 1

      Very rarely. I live in Los Alamos and am mostly familiar with which studies were happening in parallel in which Tech Areas. Some are 10+ miles from others.

      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
    2. Re:True.... But you forget.. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      If you're living in the fourties and have billions dollars for your staff and expenses I'm sure you can have secretaries dealing with mail, paper stuff, appointments and meeting schedules ; sending telegraphic "e-mail" through teletypes ; shuffling blueprints and stuff around by car.

      Today you can't afford a secretary so you need software and an internet connection instead =)

    3. Re:True.... But you forget.. by gnick · · Score: 1

      How many secretaries and how many hours a day does it take to match the efficiency of a 56kbps modem?

      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
  59. Let's not regulate it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As with most things related to technology, it starts out expensive and gets cheaper and better as time goes on. There was a time when the poor in America couldn't afford a car, a tv, a cellphone, etc.... Now nearly everyone has a car (if not a car, there are alternatives). I've seen a guy asking for handouts on the side of the road talking on a cellphone. At the time, I couldn't afford a cellphone, that was an odd feeling. The poor will likely never be able to afford what the rich can buy (do I even need to say that?), but as 100Mbps becomes more common (and therefore cheaper) the rich will be buying 500+ Mbps. It's a moving target, but it'll be moving in the right direction unless we do something stupid and start over regulating the distribution of the Internet.

  60. Do NOT demonize high bandwidth rollouts. demonize by a4r6 · · Score: 1

    America is way behind where they should be for bandwidth in the residential sector, everywhere. ISPs gobble up money and don't produce value. I think this is mostly a side effect of the fact that, as a society, empowerment isn't high on the to-do list, compared to, say, surveillance, so the already-empowered-by-huge-swaths-of-cash can maintain "order" (Me, first! Me, absolutely! Me, above all else!) Google is doing what's right in this case as they are giving us what we have long since paid for as taxpayers and exploited value-producers in terms of last mile internet performance. If that's because they believe in their own mission of "don't be evil" or because they see a way to "monetize" (amorally exploit for money) the flood of data remains to be seen, but raising the bar in any way here is generally positive.

  61. a right? by clovis · · Score: 1

    First sentence of the article:
    "In the future envisioned by Google, Internet access will be a basic human right"

    a right?
    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

  62. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Niterios · · Score: 2

    You are right, I missed that point and your analogy is better. Nevertheless, I also think that it is unlikely that the educational content of the internet will devolve into a bandwidth hungry activity (anyone have insights on this?), which is the cited example. After all, the elite of the United States is still educated in classrooms, and the most data that can come out of that is a video stream. See, for example, oyc.yale.edu, which provides video of lectures (and even transcripts), problem sets, tests and other materials. I think that a bandwidth divide just promotes a luxury divide (something acceptable in capitalism) and does not make the divide larger by affecting other divides, such as education.

  63. Replacing cable with fiber isn't going dosn't hurt by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

    Or help the digital divide for that matter.

    The real divide is between populated areas and rural areas and giving people in cities another better option isn't going to change that one way or the other.

  64. Poor and XP by hurfy · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the problem is that poor people couldn't order it until they can spring for a new computer !!!

    That pricing page locked up XP/IE8. Not even the usual reload and/or error, just stuck. Getting them to spring for a new computer AND new internet service might be too much. Exactly what new groundbreaking tech is required to display a price list?

    Guess I'll have to find my login here so I can use chrome, tried as AC and um...no.

  65. News for you all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There has ALWAYS been a permanent under class. It's most of the people either in the current underclass or living in their midst due to discrimination.

    Big deal.

    Get on with progress.

  66. envy by clovis · · Score: 3, Funny

    An old joke about neighbor envy ...
    An angel in disguise visit a peasant's hut and is brought inside. The peasant shares what little food he has, and lets him sleep under his only blanket.
    The next morning the angel reveals himself and tells the peasant he will be rewarded, but the catch is, whatever the peasant asks for, his neighbor will get double.
    The peasant, agonized, thinks on it all day. Finally he tells the angel "I ask that you put out one of my eyes".

  67. Michail (smart as a) Brick wrote BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What part of free 5 MB connection causes digital divide? Does my $50 30 Mb Comcast connection take away from one that get free 5 MB from Google? Does Google $70 100 MB hurt them too?
    All Brick allegations have holes.
    Another slow news day on /.

  68. Fucking hilarious. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

    I went to school in the 80's and early 90's. Wouldn't it be humorous if I received a better education using old fashioned books, good teachers, a reasonable class size, etc.. than most Fancy Pants McMillenials who had a cool iPad with animations and whatnot?

    These people are fucking crazy. By all means use technology judiciously in education, but pretending it is the end-all be-all of educational quality is god damned idiotic.

  69. Repeat after me.. by nurb432 · · Score: 0

    Internet access is NOT a right....

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Repeat after me.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Internet access is NOT a right....

      No, but it is (arguably) a public good.

  70. 100 times faster internet could mean 100 times the by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

    what are we making 100 times faster students? You can only consume so much then the rest is waste.

    --
    Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
  71. Not Really by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    The Google vision of the internet is one in which you don't own your own home, so to speak. If you don't have your own address and run your own servers, you can't take advantage of a lot of what the Internet has to offer. Since in their view everyone is a consumer and since there's really only so much porn you can masturbate to before you want to take a nap, I don't really see there being a digital divide anywhere other than between those who can afford a computer and can masturbate at home and those who can't, and have to masturbate at the library.

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  72. Where have I heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because no child left behind was a smashing success!

  73. Who else ts thinking this? by symbolset · · Score: 1

    I hope Google brings this digital divide to my town next.

    --
    Help stamp out iliturcy.
  74. Another pseudo-equality whine by nashv · · Score: 1

    Another case of the unintended consequences of good intentions?

    No, another case of natural consequences of the distribution of a limited resource in a naturally un-equal world.

    --
    Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
  75. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since some people can pay for better houses, should we prohibit such houses because it gives them an unfair advantage?

    Well, that's the general "inequality" idea ... I agree that it makes no sense. But everyone from the president on down seems to believe it

    It is not about who does or does not get advantage. It IS about producing infrastructure that lets as much of the population as possible participate. For example, I would love to purchase a home in my city. Unfortunately, most of the houses being built or already on the market are $250k+ 3 and 4 bedroom, two and a half bath houses which are just a bit more house than I am willing or able to afford. I would be interested in purchase of a smaller 1 or 2 bedroom condo, but good luck finding that in this city. Now, you could just say "sucks to be you and suck it up and deal!" That is "fair", as far as it goes, but I do wonder if that really is the best tack for development of this city as a community where people want to live and raise families, etc. That being said, I DO support Google's efforts to lay optical fiber. They seem to be the only ones actually interested in improving our nation's telecommunications infrastructure. In the short term it may lead to uneven distribution of bandwidth but I am hoping that this will force the other telcos to get off their butts and do some improving of their own infrastructure as well.

  76. Everything must be the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because not everyone can get it, we must mandate that no one shall have it. If progress can not be made equally by everyone at exactly the same time, there must be no progress at all.

  77. Is Google Making the Digital Divide Worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, exactly why is the 'digital divide' my problem? As has happened over the years, those with the money, have the bennies of better|faster|stronger.
    As a productive member of a captailist society, exactly, how is this my problem? This 'digital divide' bullshit is just that, bullshit.

  78. horrible logic by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

    Because google offers their downgraded service for free, or you can upgrade it by paying a monthly cost for a lot faster, that must obviously be better for poor people who currently only have the choice of no internet or to pay for internet.
    That's grade A logic to me.
    Because the last time i checked, something is better than nothing.

  79. This is nosense by mikein08 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't matter to me whether my ISP is feeding me data at 50 mbs or 100 gbs. 50mbs works just fine and handles my every need. Unless I am trying to watch 4 movies at once or somesuch as that. I suppose the average mormon family, with 2 adults and 6 or more kids, might need faster speeds, but I just don't believe the average household needs 100 gbs.

  80. Who cares by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If we always worry about leaving anyone behind, we can never truly move ahead.

    People should be free to try to do new things without having to accommodate everyone.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  81. Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean as opposed to a temporary underclass? Make sure to limit potential as much as possible so nobody gets too far ahead.

  82. Title is mis-spelled - should be dividend by greggster · · Score: 1

    Will it make the Verizon or Comcast dividends (if any) worse.. Else as other posters have said, speed != learning ability. Last I recall, the dot-com boom happened on dial-up.

  83. Universal access is not a right by tsotha · · Score: 1

    Internet to your dwelling is not a right. If your neighborhood doesn't have Google fiber and it means that much to you, move to a neighborhood that does.

  84. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " How is not implementing a faster speed option going to help them? "

    The reasoning is that by not spending the resource on one very fast connection it could then be used to facilitate several moderate connections.

  85. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The small house will be less functional if manufacturers start building furniture/appliances that require a larger house.

  86. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, to get "several moderate connections" you need "one very fast connection" somewhere upstream, anyways.

    Depending on population density, something like Google Fiber could be a good base for FTTN/FTTC/FTTB.

    Hell, just stick it into a WiFi router and divide the costs with your neighbours.

  87. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
    as well as https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
    please only add substantive commentary, the slashcott is over.

  88. The Divide Already Exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The have and have not's already exists. If you live in rural america, the best you can hope for is poor DSL.
    That will NEVER change, there is NO motivation for ISP's to upgrade at the same pace as in town. The ISP's
    don't have the same return on investment in rural areas that they do in towns and cities. So let Google
    fiber do it's thing. I don't give a darn if it forces other ISP's to upgrade there infrastructure, It's at least good for some people. The more places that Google fiber invades, the more choices I have to choose from if I decide to leave my rural home!

  89. Google offers lifetime service for $300 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google Fiber offers lifetime service for $300 or $25/mo for a year. True, this only up to 5 Mbps download & 1 Mbps upload speed, about i present service. I stream 480p flawlessly and this a GREAT DEAL and I wait for Google to lay the fiber in my hometown. I want 1 gbs, sure, but I want a Roll Royces and a harem of sexy Japanese woman, free Internet for lifetime works for me while to win the lotto. GOOGLE RAWKS!

  90. idiocy ... stop til everyone gets it at same time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good luck with that.
    Fiber for the lazy and useless???
    Let the leftists go back to banging rocks together (where they would be if history was run this way)
    Let a business get a system going and if it pays they will try to get it to every other customer they can (and their compettitors will do the same)

    Lets not let whiners about the 'underclass' make sure there will never be any progress for anybody unless it it their impractical/impossible ideas of 'fair'

  91. Hrrmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I understand from this is that we should limit technological progress because some people won't have access to it. Or we could provide subsidies to Google to implement fiber in low-income areas

  92. Its more than that! by bbsalem · · Score: 1

    Google has really been on my shit list lately. I live near Silicon Valley and I am not proud of what these most visible companies are doing to people's lives. It doesn't really surprise me that Google's efforts to get there first with fast fiber would leave poorer areas in the dark, literally. Market capture and control of users, and if the article is correct, elitism, is part and parcel of the result of Google's business strategy over the past few years. Not that I have any sympathy for ISPs in general who behave like utility monopolies. A solution might be to steal bandwith form wireless carriers for public and free access. I also think that low power wireless with store and forward mesh networks is a possible solution. Low power solutions would still be legal under the terms which FCC has allocated bandwidth, especially if a free speech challenge is made to ISP control of bandwidth.

    The whole point is that people need to be thinking of disruptive ways to prevent single vendor control of things at many levels beginning with Microsoft's illegal domination of the desktop and but also extending to Google's violation of open standards to create captive platforms. This extends to the undoing of the Internet, particularly for its control or chock points favored by governments who spy and businesses who create monopolies. We may have to trade some convienence and speed of access to get our freedom and privacy back. The bad guys always have the seduction of laziness to lure people in. If people want their power back they will have to make the effort to understand the tools they use better. The greedy people who run businesses know that this the the control they have ove most people, their lack of understanding. Rebellion creates an incentive for more resourcefulness and the impetus to find alternatives.

  93. Re:Journalists love calling out google for everyth by non0score · · Score: 1

    Exactly. And the goal of educational websites is to promote education amongst the underserved -- targeting the "haves" is kinda counter to their state goals. And if any of the popular education sites misses that point, then in theory the "invisible hand" should guide the smarter education sites to offer low bandwidth versions (and this would quickly be reflected in enrollment counts).

  94. Making some people smarter will ruin society... by tiago.bonetti · · Score: 1

    The most idiotic argument I've heard on an article in a while.... The not smarter, but not less smarter either, will benefit with more smarter people. A better decision on part of one individual on a society will probably benefit the whole society. I prefer much more to be a idiot on a sea of geniuses then a idiot in a sea of my pairs.

  95. As Panos Koutsouvelis said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Communism is the social system for the future. -- Panos Koutsouvelis

  96. How to write a concerned article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fellow citizens!

    Recently I found out that [insert person] wants to create [insert something]. I believe this is a reason for all of us to be concerned, because it completely destroys all our hopes for democracy and equality. Rich people now will be able to buy more of the [insert something] than poor people, which means the social divide will grow.

    We must unite and demand a ban on [insert something] and a punishment for [insert person]. Join our battle and make the world a better place!

    Regards,

    Your Concerned Friend

  97. Re:This is what I have come to dislike about fairn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    loose-loose? Both your mouth and your anus?

  98. Pricing is actually the smallest hurdle to overcom by mliimatta · · Score: 1

    We wish that pricing was the whole problem but it's not. 1) Google Fiber is out of reach for most renters, especially those in low income housing. They require landlords to foot the bill for $300 per unit. And, they won't run fiber to a multi-family unit unless someone pays for 100% of the apartments. Think any Section 8 landlords are going to do that? Absolutely not. 2) Their terms of use specifically state that fiber drops can be used by only one household. Sharing connections to multiple families using Wi-Fi, which would be very economical, isn't allowed. So Connecting for Good, which is referenced in the article,became a nonprofit wireless ISP in order to fill that gap - http://www.connectingforgood.o...