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20 Freescale Semiconductor Employees On Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight

NeverVotedBush writes with news reported by CNN that a passenger manifest for the flight that went missing on its way from Malaysia to China indicates that "Twenty of the passengers aboard the flight work with Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas. The company said that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China," and writes "Apparently, at least two passengers used stolen passports to board."

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  1. Cargo by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The plane was carrying a cargo of 400 million dollars in Bitcoin. nuff said.

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    1. Re:Cargo by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And we learned that you can board a plane with passport that was stolen and REPORTED stolen on an airplane, as long as you leave your shampoo at home an remove your shoes before boarding.

    2. Re:Cargo by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In Malaysia.

  2. Was there any ACARS data? by stoploss · · Score: 5, Informative

    I watched a documentary about Flight 447 (the Airbus flight that was lost off Brazil) and they mentioned that modern planes send tons of position and other data per flight. Seems the current system is called ACARS.

    Anyway, from a probability perspective it seems highly unlikely that a plane would disappear from radar precisely at the time that a data transponder stopped sending position fixes, unless, you know, the plane crashed right there.

    I mean, the media makes it sound like the search radius is "flight speed * remaining potential flight time at current fuel burn rate".

    1. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      So far there is no debris at all. Thats pretty amazing considered where it was last seen. It either didn't crash, or didn't crash where the search is.

    2. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It could be more complicated then that.

      Suppose an electrical fault cause the loss of coordinate transmission while it also lost navigation and the pilots were forces to fly manually and blindly for a while before they lost all control and the plane crashed. A jets under ideal conditions can glide around 70 or so miles from 35000 feet in the air.

      So if the jet lost portions of the planes controls in stages, it could be quite a large search radius from the last known position and it could be close to the limit of the fuel range if they could still control the engines (doubtful as most everything is fly by wire and a catastrophic electronics failure likely would consume that too).

    3. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Funny

      So far there is no debris at all. Thats pretty amazing considered where it was last seen. It either didn't crash, or didn't crash where the search is.

      Not "amazing" at all if the jet was VAPPORIZED by a small thermonuclear device placed on the jet by the same NSA operatives that brought down the Twin Towers.

      CO-INKY-DINK?

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    4. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aren't they the same guys who make Steve Guttenberg a star?

    5. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IMHO Investigators should have a careful look at the airport where the boarding took place

      As I live and travel a lot within Asia, I can tell you that many airports in Asia, particularly those in Indonesia and in Malaysia (and also in Thailand) are so lack in any security procedure that any suicide bomber can board a plane easily.

      And in Malaysia as well as in Brunei and in Indonesia, I have seen with my own eyes that they let women who cover up their faces passing through checkpoint and boarding planes.

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    6. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      placed on the jet by the same NSA operatives

      lol I love it; used to be everyone thought the CIA was doing things, now it's the NSA. The conspiracy theory has evolved.

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    7. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by QQBoss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only problem with the thought of losing portions of the planes controls in stages, the first two or three would have had to have quickly knocked out the transponders, the pilots radio (separate from the transponders) and the backup radio (separate from the transponders and the primary radio) before affecting anything else on the plane that would have caused the pilots to message someone on the ground that bad things were happening. Transponders disappearing usually gets a call from someone on the ground, which the pilots would respond to if they could. Needing to switch to a backup radio will have the pilots letting someone on the ground know in short order. If you assume they lost electrical system power due to total engine failure (which would merit a fairly rapid SOS call as a result), that still wouldn't prevent the ram air turbine from generating the power needed to send a distress call.

      It isn't unreasonable to start from an assumption of catastrophic failure of the airframe and start your search on that basis while investigating other possibilities in parallel. It could also be due to a pilot or co-pilot deciding they wanted to take the plane down, however, since the transponder can be disabled from the cockpit (Think Egypt Air MS990, though that was never declared officially to be a pilot suicide), but then the plane would have quickly shown up as a transponder-less blip on multiple radar systems, since that air space is quite well covered along the flight path and to both the south and west. To the north east, it should have been picked up at Con Son, unless it really was under control to head back south east towards Riau Islands. Chances are good, whatever direction it went, including straight down, either the Malaysian or Vietnamese govts. will eventually announce the radar tracks they watched it on, given that the last transponder point had the flight only ~250 km from the closest Malaysian airport (not to mention Malaysian Navy ships out on normal patrols) and about 1/2 of that from a Vietnamese naval base which it would have flown directly over if it had continued on path.

      Hmm, just checked Google News for an update. Reported in the last 30 minutes, the Malaysian military is saying the plane appeared to turn back south according to radar.

    8. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by camperdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      An electrical fault would not cause the main systems, the backups, the transponders and the emergency beacons to all simultaneously fail. In fact, in the event of a power failure, a ram air electrical turbine generator drops out of the belly of the plane to provide electrical and hydraulic power. Something catastrophic or something deliberate happened to that plane.

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    9. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by Bugamn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what the CIA wants the commoners to think.

    10. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by JustOK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ACARS doesn't send position data, ADS-B does. The area where this plane went down doesn't have good ADS-B coverage. www.flightradar24 is a good site to learn more.

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    11. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      ADS/CPDLC runs over ACARS and definitely sends position data. Believe me, I used to code this stuff for a living.

    12. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by drkim · · Score: 2

      So far there is no debris at all. Thats pretty amazing considered where it was last seen. It either didn't crash, or didn't crash where the search is.

      Latest I've heard was that Vietnamese boats found two large oil slicks - but no debris yet...

    13. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by JustOK · · Score: 2

      What do you mean, "runs over ACARS"? ADS-B is similar but not the same as ACARS. ACARS is on 131.55 MHz, ADS-B is 1090 MHz, for one.

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    14. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by antifoidulus · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind that the Air France 447 flight was intact when it hit the ocean(in fact aside from the blocked pitot tubes the airplane was almost certainly completely functional). The events that led to the crash unfolded over several minutes, giving plenty of time for ACARS data to be transmitted. A sudden breakup of the plane would preclude any ACARS data indicating distress from being sent from the plane.

    15. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      ACARS is on 131.55 MHz, ADS-B is 1090 MHz, for one.

      Don't confuse a coder with fancy hardware talk.

    16. Re:Was there any ACARS data? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      ACARS is a network service. ADS is an application.

  3. Re:Thank goodness that we know ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except of course you are conflating "fear of or the risk of terrorism are overstated" with "there is no such thing as terrorism." I could get shot by some nut in public tomorrow, but I'm not going to structure my life or society around the fear of that possibility.

  4. Summary needs a slight rewrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Freescale Semiconductor did not write that blurb about the stolen passports and the way it is displayed here makes it seem that there is a connection between the passports and the company's employees.

    1. Re:Summary needs a slight rewrite by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The stolen passports likely have nothing to do with Freescale, but in regards to those passports, they've already determined that the two tickets purchased for those two identities where purchased at the same time - they have consecutive ticket numbers. Further, and oddly, the two had different final destinations.

      A conceivable theory is that they were terrorists with explosives in their checked in baggage. The plan was for the explosives to detonate later than they did (but something caused one to detonate prematurely), thus taking down two flights and not just one. Further, they may have intended to disembark or not board those final flights while intending their luggage to continue on (perhaps they did a test run and found that luggage was not properly removed from the plane if a passenger did not board a connecting flight at the destination Chinese airport). There was a Chinese terrorist attack in the last couple weeks (the mass killings with knives) and this plane was carrying almost all Chinese citizens, and it was headed for China. If that speculation is correct, two planes would have been destroyed, doubling the amount of Chinese that were killed, and the destruction would have happened over China, thus potentially causing collateral damage.

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  5. Motorola used to have rules against that, IIRC by QQBoss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Granted, it has been a while since I worked for the part of Motorola that became Freescale, but I am fairly certain there were rules against the maximum number of employees that could take any one flight. I think it was 2 for executives and 6 or 8 for regular employees. Situations like this, rare as they are, was the reason. I wonder if Freescale still has those rules and ignored them, or didn't copy them over. Any current employees have insight?

    I hope the families receive meaningful information as to what and why this happened, and don't have to spend a year or longer wondering (at least for the what, why usually takes a lot longer with airline crashes).

    The 777 is one of the safest commercial planes in the aviation history, with only one accident with fatalities prior to this. Having just flown on a 777 (Cathay Pacific) out of Kuala Lumpur less than 30 days ago, however, I will say that their airport security was very lax. When I set off the metal detector and was wanded, the security person stopped at the first thing that might have set it off (I had left a metal-bodied pen in my shirt pocket) and didn't go on to find I also forgot to take out my cell phone and earphones from a different pocket (cargo pants). That was just for entry to the main concourse, though. To actually get on the plane, Cathay Pacific required a secondary screening that was much more rigorous from what I observed of how they dealt with other people (I remembered to put away my pen and phone that time). Malaysia Air did not do a secondary screening for a domestic flight when I boarded in Sandakan a few days earlier, but the concourse screening was also more intensive.

    1. Re:Motorola used to have rules against that, IIRC by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      Pffff. I flew into KL a few weeks ago and I gotta say security was ridiculous. My plane had to stop to refuel and about five times before landing they warn you over the air that if you have any drugs on you when they land you'll be executed (the plane WAS from Amsterdam). Everyone had to disembark (and we weren't allowed to take any baggage). Then through metal detector + xray + pat down for everyone. Seemed a tad overkill for a plane refueling. I mean, I get security before entering a plane, but landing midlfight and asking everyone to disembark for another security screening?!?!?!?

      On another note (and what I thought was interesting), I had one of the worst landings ever there. They didn't slow down to land and wheels down felt like the bottom of a loop-de-loop on a roller coaster. I wondered if this was due to the fact that we flew in for landing over mountains and they needed to cut a few thousand meters quickly.

    2. Re:Motorola used to have rules against that, IIRC by mpfife · · Score: 2

      I think there is good reason to believe if something tragic has happened - that it was an accident. Usually when terrorists destroy something - they immediately give notice and announce how and what they've done. We haven't seen that so far.

    3. Re:Motorola used to have rules against that, IIRC by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      That may be so but that's not what they said in the cabin.

      They announced five times in slightly different ways "drug traffiking gets the death penalty, capital punishment in malaysia for drug traffiking, etc."

      And on the boarding cards, getting off at the arrival gate, etc., there were signs saying the same thing in BIG RED LETTERS.

  6. Re:No American aboard ... move along, folks ! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Informative

    As there is no American aboard that plane, move along, there is nothing to see here ...

    Not so. There were three Americans in the group of 239 that died on that flight.

    The premise of your comment is ignorant.

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  7. You gotta understand ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... from a probability perspective it seems highly unlikely that a plane would disappear from radar precisely at the time that a data transponder stopped sending position fixes, unless, you know, the plane crashed right there ...

    You are talking from a perspective of a Western folk who has no idea what is going on in other parts of the world.

    The airplane belongs to the Malaysian Airline System (MAS). The plane took off from the KLIA airport, again, of Malaysia. That radar which did the tracking (actually there were 4 radars doing the tracking) were all operated by ... Malaysians.

    Furthermore, the pilot and first officer of that plane were from Malaysia.

    Everything points to the same thing - Malaysia - a country whereby RACE means everything.

    That pilot is a Malay. The first officer is also a Malay. Both of them graduated from MARA college, a college which has produced the kind of graduates that the private sectors of Malaysia do not want to hire.

    The reason is simple:

    Graduates from the MARA college (now promoted to become a "university") are all from the Malay race (you need to be a Malay before you can enroll into that college, btw) - which essentially means ... MARA takes in people who are NOT qualified to go to college any where else, and award them college degrees even if they can't do anything right.

    In such context - your "probability perspective" will never work as the whole thing is so skewed out of whack.

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  8. Re:No American aboard ... move along, folks ! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hold on a sec we don't know if they're dead yet. I mean they could have been abducted by aliens you know.

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  9. Re:No American aboard ... move along, folks ! by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, alien abductions only seem to happen to the most stupid people you ever meet. There were way too many smart people on the plane to have the alien encounter (cause aliens are scared of smart people).

  10. Re:Tech news, much? by stoploss · · Score: 2

    I dunno. I realize things around here have somewhat changed; hell, I'm pretty new here, anyway. I would rather not be the "is this really news for nerds?" guy. Actually I haven't noticed that slogan printed on this site since certain changes were implemented.

    Actually, the mandatory on-topicness for tech news on Slashdot died on 11 Sep 2001. That topic got thousands of posts from "the audience" (*cough*), and tech relevance forever after took a back seat to potential ad impressions for proposed content.

    I know, I know, people always point to the "...stuff that matters" part of the slogan. However, that's a retcon construction, as proven by the fact that the content was on-topic for years before they chose to digress. It's like how the U.S. Constitution is basically now encompassed by the "General welfare means the federal government has an unlimited mandate to do whatever they want" and "everything is interstate commerce" retcons while practically everything else in the document is considered optional.

    I guess it's refreshing that Dice ditched the slogan, since it hasn't been applicable in years.

    Fuck Beta.

  11. Re:No American aboard ... move along, folks ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, alien abductions only seem to happen to the most stupid people you ever meet. There were way too many smart people on the plane to have the alien encounter (cause aliens are scared of smart people).

    Also, all alien encounters seems to be limited to what US government can cover up, the aliens doesn't seem to be interested in the rest of the world.

  12. Sepang F1 GP... by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Malaysia - a country whereby RACE means everything."

    Thats in 3 weeks time, and since everything in Formula 1 is different this year who knows whats going to happen

  13. Re:Previous /. story by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    Nice try, but the captain has been flying commercial jets since the early 1980s, according to the BBC.

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  14. Re:And this means...? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    He's got 1 whole digit more than you. You've 2 more than someone else I know.

    You can put the e-peen away now.

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  15. Yay slashdot! by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    Hey, look! Slashdot mods as informative racist rants against Malaysians!

    I know we're a bit of a groupthink crowd, but seriously. Stop. Just stop.

    1. Re:Yay slashdot! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Informative

      I see we have never been to Malaysia.

      I remember the first time I was in Kuala Lumpur, I was shocked to see newspaper ads for apartments that openly declared "Chinese only" or "Malay Muslim woman only, 18-25" or some such. The racism is all out in the open and codified in law. Every citizen's mandatory ID card has a field for race and religion. Race is there because different people's votes count differently come election time, and religion is there so that when you're eating during the day on Ramadan, when the religious police come into the restaurants you show them and you don't get arrested.

      Did we learn something today? Much better than just ignorantly shouting "RACISM!" at a culture with which we are unfamiliar.

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