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Engine Data Reveals That Flight 370 Flew On For Hours After It "Disappeared"
Advocatus Diaboli writes "Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program. As part of its maintenance agreements, Malaysia Airlines transmits its engine data live to Rolls-Royce for analysis. The system compiles data from inside the 777's two Trent 800 engines and transmits snapshots of performance, as well as the altitude and speed of the jet. Those snippets are compiled and transmitted in 30-minute increments, said one person familiar with the system."
Update: 03/14 11:41 GMT by S : The WSJ has since updated its report to say the data was from the plane's satellite-communication system. However, Malaysian authorities have denied both scenarios, saying neither Boeing nor Rolls-Royce received data past 1:07am (the flight initially disappeared off radar at 1:30am).
... by malaysian officials: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/malaysian-officials-deny-flight-mh370-missing-plane-flew-hours
Doesn't everyone else deny this report?
Authorities quickly debunked this story this AM.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/13/289758523/officials-dispute-report-that-malaysian-jet-kept-flying-for-hours
~500 mph * 5 hours = 2500 mile radius = 19.6 million square miles.
That's about 10% of the surface of the planet. They're going to need some sort of heading information; you can permanently hide a 777 in that much ocean/mountain/jungle/etc.
Anyone know if the radar hits were meaningful yet?
that relatives called 4 hours after the plane was reported late makes this thing very suspicious. This plane is intact and will be used for something at a later date
You could fly from San Francisco (SFO) to Orlando (MCO) That's a pretty big search radius, if this story is true.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
nothing wrong with the Boeing plane... must be terrorists, i hear they were trying to start fires on board earlier by putting in bad batteries.
oh also US government agencies are completely neutral when dealing with large US based corporations... unlike China
I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious. --Albert Einstein
Malaysia denies that it is a racist country.
Malaysia denies that its "democracy" is a sham.
Malaysia denies that its government is corrupt.
Malaysia denies that its official race-based policies has forced a lot of talented people leaving the country.
Malaysia denies everything.
So, is it a surprise that Malaysia denies this, as well ?
The Malaysian officers deny the burst mode transmission from the engine's monitoring module based on this statement: "The RR (Rolls Royce) representative in KL (Kuala Lumpur) has no idea of the transmission"
On the other hand, the report of the burst mode transmission kept on going for an additional four (4) hours AFTER the plane supposed to be "lost", is based on the communication between the RR HQ (for Jet Engine) and the Western security agencies.
Which one do you believe ?
It was the SATCOM system of the plane itself, which has the capability of transmitting health and positional data of the entire plane's system for analysis by third-party service and maintenance providers. Airliners have the option to purchase service plans for that but Malaysia Airlines chose to only purchase a separate plane related to data the engine's themselves can transmit (from Rolls Royce, the engine's manufacturer).
Even though Malaysian Airlines didn't have an online service monitoring plan for this specific plane, the plane still performs periodic searches/connections to satellite data communication providers - akin to an unregistered cell phone searching and connecting to a cell tower but without licensed service. This periodic connection occurs approx once every hour on the plane, and by counting the number of attempts (4), authorities believe the plane was either flying or in-tact for at least 4 hours from the last secondary radar ping.
A satellite transmitter on the plane was active for about five hours, indicating the plane was operational after its transponder shut down less than an hour after takeoff, said three U.S. government officials. The 777 can cruise at 500 miles (805 kilometers) an hour or more, meaning it may have flown for as far as 2,500 miles beyond its last point of contact if it was intact and had enough fuel. Link (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-13/missing-malaysian-jet-said-to-have-flown-with-beacon-off.html)
The United States was founded on a conspiracy. Literally.
That the people are being conditioned to automatically consider anything labeled a "conspiracy" automatically laughable says a lot about the degeneration of the U.S.
Mod down people who tell people how to mod in their sigs
Ah, the Important Person has spoken. The rest of us are the wackos this time!
Say they are doing their best to reassure the domestic population that they are in competent control of the disaster, but they're in over their heads...
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Nope.
It's a "conspiracy theory." when you have no actual data to back up a statement. Usually note be the ever expanding circle the conspiracy must encompass when you raise questions about the person uttering the conspiracy theory.
I'm sorry* reality doesn't coincide with your pet narrative. Doubly sorry* you seem to be aware of critical thinking, yet have no idea how to use it or what it actually is.
*I'm no really sorry.
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Maybe if that wasn't actually the case, the "critical thinkers" would get a bit more respect.
I'm sorry* you misspell three-letter words.
*Nah, I'm not really sorry.
"conspiracy theory" does not mean what you (have been conditioned to) think it means.
The lack or presence of data has absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's when a theory is implausible and the "critical thinkers" spend years obsessed with beating a dead horse they get labeled conspiracy nut tinfoil hat wearing wackos, like the 911 truthers, the we-didn't-go-to-the-moon people, or the nutbags who are still asking for Obama's birth certificate. Critical thinking is fine and welcome in this country. Obsessing about implausible made up scenarios driven by agendas or outrage isn't.
Tired of being "punished" by the Slashdot $rtbl since 2002. I'm now over at http://soylentnews.org/ .
Something I don't understand is how the plane disappeared from radar yet kept flying. Switching off a transponder does not make a plane disappear from radar, it just means there is a blip on the radar without the data a transponder provides. The fact that no one is bringing this up leads me to believe I'm missing something big here, because as far as I know the only way that plane could have disappeared completely from radar was if it disintegrated.
Evidently the aircraft had enough power to run the pinging transmitter for over 4 hours after the transponder went dead (or was turned off). This implies that the aircraft also had enough power and structural integrity for at least some of its communication systems to work. But the experienced pilots did not make even one distress call or issue a single distress code. Why not? What prevented them from doing it?
Come on guys, it's been DAYS already! How come aliens still not in the picture???
Ah yes, the spelling ad hom and no actual refutation.
Brilliant!
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As someone else has already mentioned, this has been denied by Malaysian officials. Just like China has now said that those satellite images which were supposed to show plane debris did in fact not show debris, but indeed, said satellite images were "released by mistake". Just like that admiral of the Vietnamese Navy saying they had lost radar contact with the plain just over the Gulf of Thailand, but apparently it was just incorrect information (another mistake).
It seems clear that no-one knows where the fuck that plane is, but due to the pressure to find something, ANYTHING to satisfy the media as well as political pressure (not to mention relatives of those missing), anything that could be seen as a clue is pushed out as something important before it's even checked or verified.
At least it can be assumed that those on the flight must be well and truly dead by now, if only because the alternative would be more horrifying...
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These SATCOM devices often have an array of antennas and may well be able to give information on where the last pings came from that reduce the search radius from the possible 2500 miles to something 'reasonable' like ~500 miles (assuming it didn't keep flying for more than an hour after its last ping). The idea being that the satellite knows roughly what area of land is covered by each antenna in its array.
The satcom device does not have to have been on the aircraft.
Bruce Perens.
So I won't bore !!
Providing they store that information. Also for customers who didn't subscribe to the service.
Ignoring all the speculation for a bit, let me present a few completely irrefutable facts that point to a different theory of what happened to the plane.
Fact 1: There are many active volcanoes in this region of the world.
Fact 2: There were virgins on the airplane.
Fact 3: The Great Old Ones have not arisen to destroy us all.
We should thank them for ensuring the continued existence of the human race.
"Two U.S. officials tell ABC News the U.S. believes that the shutdown of two communication systems happened separately on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. One source said this indicates the plane did not come out of the sky because of a catastrophic failure.
The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder -- which transmits location and altitude -- shut down at 1:21 a.m."
-- ABC News, Thursday March 13, 2014
Curiouser and curiouser.
My money is on something like what heppend to flght ZU 522 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
Such people are a distinct minority. There are people who believe in anything you can imagine. The fact that they are not ignored by the mainstream media but are in fact paraded in front of society for the purposes of mockery and as an example to all is telling.
The fact is, these imbeciles are used as material to condition people to automatically reject ANY possibility of ANY conspiracies, by their idiocy, when in fact most of history is the history of conspiracies.
The on board engine monitoring module is only *ON* when the engine is turned on.
When the engine is off, the transmission module goes to sleeping mode, relies on it's tiny battery backup on keeping the date/time current.
Saying that the module keeps on transmitting AFTER the plane has broken up is not only inaccurate, it's downright irresponsible !
One word: Hollow earth... It's still flying down there...
How long can a 777 float on water?
Yesterday the discussion seemed to center on how bloody expensive it would be to track the planes and how special equipment and etc. would be required. Now everyone seems to understand that messages can come from the planes ... indeed, it would have been trivial (although it would have involved a fee) to record the rest of the plane sensor data.
Instead of reinventing the wheel, and making some magical device to transmit just before an accident ... the folks who maintain the current system record the last 5 positions ... but not release them except when they are paid OR there is an accident. The amount of data storage would be small, and the infrastructure apparently already exists.
Obviously, old enough airframes might not *yet* have the equipment, but rolling them in as engines and/or other major renovations occur should be feasible.
Maybe the plane was stolen!
Pay attention to the stolen plane!
Don't pay attention to Russia and Ukraine!
This is what we know so far, a good summary ...
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RR Malaysia denied it, making it debunked
If RR world HQ denied it, may be I'll believe it to be debunked.
RR Malaysia ? How much weight does RR Malaysia has ??
Would IBM's Armonk HQ tell IBM Moscow everything ?
Would Boeing Chicago world HQ tell Boeing Beijing everything ?
Are you a troll or are you just stupid ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
In Asia: Everyone has healthcare.
In the US: If you get sick or have an accident, its gods way of punishing you and you are bankrupt and then dead.
In Asia: hijacked planes crash harmlessly into the ocean.
In the US: despite knowing where every plane is every second, 2 of them crash into 2 big buildings one after the other while you stand their with your dicks in your hands.
Why not?
Totally agree.
Sudden depressurisation due to a mechanical failure, pilot unconscious before he can reach for oxygen (low oxygen causes confusion, hard to identify the need to pull out your oxygen mask before its too late), co-pilot asleep so no mask on him. All passengers have oxygen masks come down but door is locked on a code. Only one steward has the code, he may be unconscious like to ZU 522. This is a major problem with the locked cockpit door policy post 2001.
In Asia: Everyone has healthcare.
In the US: If you get sick or have an accident, its gods way of punishing you and you are bankrupt and then dead.
In Asia: hijacked planes crash harmlessly into the ocean.
In the US: despite knowing where every plane is every second, 2 of them crash into 2 big buildings one after the other while you stand their with your dicks in your hands.
Said the dolt posting in English on a US website using American vernacular.
Rolls-Royce, the engine's manufacturers, who said the report was "inaccurate" and that the last engine data was received at 01:07 (17:07 GMT), around 23 minutes before the plane lost contact.
The language and invention that came from the British, whats your point?
That Malaysia is the whole of Asia, or the US is the whole of the west, or english speaking.
Or that 2 idiots posting on the internet is an automatic invitation for a 3rd idiot to join in?
Harldy American vernacular, if you had bothered to comprehend what I said, I was making fun of America and Americans and the parent poster in particular. Why would that lead you to believe I was in any way associated with that country myself?
There's no system that would transmit anything from the engines as part of "routine maintenance and monitoring program". The whole story is a hoax, most likely fabricated by someone at WSJ. I won't be surprised to find out it was a prank by some junior WSJ employee. The whole idea that engines would somehow know "altitude and speed of the jet" is ridiculous at best. Altitude, speed and other parameters are important for controlling the engine, but they are always collected by independent sensors installed in airplane itself. And engine control decisions are made by electronics hosted separately in the airframe, not in the engine itself. Engines have no self-sufficient decision-making control circuitry, let alone any active data transmission capabilities.
"What happened to Helios 522" would not turn off transponders.
Completely and categorically.
And they did so before this post was even approved.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
The VHF ACARS data was probably intercepted by the NSA and was the basis for the info provided to the WSJ. Note the original article said "intelligence sources."
The satellite ping BS was essentially a "uh, we didn't want anyone to know we were intercepting ACARS data." They walked that back pretty fast.
I thought Sat links were expensive, but it's only $7/MiB transferred over BGAN/inmarsat. However, they would need the hardware installed and someone would be eating that connection charge - and it if it wasn't Boeing, Malaysian Airlines, or Rolls Royce, then the connection didn't exist. I'm pretty sure you don't get SATCOM hardware for free when you buy your 777, but I have no idea about the specific deal that Malaysia Airlines has.
>>if the jet was at cruising altitude, the likelihood of a phone on board *doing* that is almost nil,
Recall the 911 airliners where people were calling their loved ones before they crashed?
Or is that story maybe also not true?
In the US: Reclaim the holy land!
In Asia: Fuck it!
Yeah I see the pattern.
It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
ATC has RADAR, but usually relies on the secondary return (from the aircraft's transponder), especially if the aircraft is out of reliable primary (skinpaint) return. Out in the South China Sea the 777 was probably beyond primary range, so they would not have seen a return. A primary return doesn't have the altitude encoding (mode A) that the transponder returns, so if the jet disappeared by turning off the transponder, then showed up again later, it wouldn't necessarily get any attention, as it could be any other aircraft operating in international airspace, or light aviation over land. If a primary return was observed, the controller might have noticed the speed to clue them in to the possibility that it wasn't a Cessna, but apparently not.
Just a random though: has anyone checked how long, and over what distance, the plane could fly from its cruise altitude once its engines stop ? If, in such a situation, the pilots tried something similar to what has been done with flight 1549 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549), it might be an interesting approach to try to approximate a circular search zone (rather than an area).
As a coward, I will weigh in here. The US just mentioned they are sending a destroyer to the Indian Ocean. One reason is because that Russia flew some jets near Turkey (nothing new) and the other because they have have referential information that the missing jet flew off course into the Indian Ocean. Referential? I am glad the US will try to rescue the plan and/or wreckage without discussing how they got this intelligence. This is a big step. I hope they find something and the world does not look too deep into how the US knew this.
In the US: know where every plane is every second
Let's see, how about the conspiracy of silence regarding the crash of TWA flight 800 back in 1996?
About a year ago, CNN had six former hands-on investigators who all worked on the original crash investigation.
All six investigators finally came forward as a group in their retirement to recount how the actual evidence found contradicted the officially announced cause of the crash (officially the 747 fuel tank vapors exploded bringing down the airliner), and how they were essentially compelled to falsify their conclusions by higher administrations.
I have not seen these six former investigators story picked up (arguably extremely reliable sources), by CNN or any other media outlet since the obligatory CNN lip service broadcast (likely done merely to cover CNN's own ass if the shit hit the fan, so CNN can claim to have actually covered the story).
It's highly likely the government (and its media lackey), are covering up the real cause of the crash of TWA 800 (probably because the truth would be highly damaging to the American government itself).
Just because the transponder was manually turned off, that doesn't prove a terrorist forced the pilot to do it. Maybe it was an inside job.
Why would it make sense for a plane to disappear? A Boeing 777 costs at least $200 million. The parts alone are worth many millions of dollars. Even though many of the parts have serial numbers, there are struggling airlines and outsourced maintenance depots that might be receptive to creatively sourced parts. Even if the plane was shredded for scrap, it's a lot of money for one day of work.
Must I say what no one else will... It's the perfect crime with loads of passengers for ransom or other means. Why blow it up, when you can capture it and fly it to a safe location. Some group has started to think outside the box.
US Dispatches USS Kid to Indian Ocean. Yes the Russians scared Turkey with jets near them, but US has unconfirmed info that the jet went way into Indian Ocean. I think the US was monitoring Facebook traffic from the pilots. Facebook released info under subpoena because pilots bought hard drive space from Google. Conspiracy??????
The sad part is that is true even here, just look at how quickly the "truther" slur is trotted out whenever anybody asks why anything better than the frankly piss poor at best investigation wasn't done for the 9/11 attacks, like the government has never lied to us.....except for that "pesky" Gulf Of Tonkin thing that left 50,000 Americans and probably a couple million Asians dead....oops.
If there is one thing Wikileaks and Snowden should have taught us its that the MSM of pretty much every country is nothing but the puppet of the state and is about as truthful as Soviet Pravda.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Smal fire that killed comms, and/or a pilot. Other pilot sleeping and other dying from some sudden cause.
Other theories:
Hijacking,
Pilots stealing the plane,
Some nation accidentally shooting down the plane,
Snakes on the plane, etc.
but it was aliens.
Catastrophic failure
One expert told USA TODAY the lack of warnings about a problem aboard the aircraft suggests a catastrophic failure. Steve Marks, a partner at Podhurst Orseck law firm in Miami who has represented relatives of victims in airline crashes, said the Boeing 777 should have been relaying reports of problems — if there were any. A lack of reports could mean a catastrophic failure, perhaps from the plane breaking up.
Mechanical failure
The plane's transponder, which identifies it to civilian radar systems and other nearby planes, was not working. Experts say a massive failure knocking out its electrical systems, while unlikely, could also explain the outage.
Pilot sabotage
Another possibility on why the transponder was not working is that the pilot, or a passenger, likely one with some technical knowledge, switched them off in the hope of flying undetected.
Pilot error
Officials haven't ruled out pilot error, though information provided by Malaysia Airlines shows the crew in the cockpit were very experienced: The flight was piloted by Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, of Malaysia. He has 18,365 flying hours and joined the airlines in 1981. The first officer is listed as Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, of Malaysia. He joined the airline in 2007 and has 2,763 total flight hours.
Terrorism
U.S. officials told USA TODAY over the weekend they were reviewing possible terror links. Terrorism theories were fueled by information that two Iranians who boarded the flight had stolen passports. Interpol Secretary-General Ronald Noble said neither man has a criminal record. The two had bought tickets to get to Europe, where they hoped to obtain asylum.
The plane kept flying
A U.S. official who spoke to the Associated Press on the condition of anonymity said Thursday investigators are beginning to explore whether the plane may have flown for another four hours after contact was lost, based on the estimated fuel onboard and the inability of searchers to find wreckage.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/13/theories-malaysian-plane/6378025/
Malaysia is a country which is filled with lies.
Really what do you expect from an Islamic state? Name one that isn't!
Cases like this show that it's important to make all clock tick the same,
and also to check and ensure they did. Is this check (for NTP, whatever)
in the standard maintenance cycle?
- Hubert
More importantly, when something is very important it is impossible for general people to know of its truths through the traditional investigation and media mechanism.
At every stage of the fact copying process between persons, there is a huge incentive to distort facts. Distortion could be in any direction.
Given this, it is a waste of the time by the "critical" thinkers to worry too much about learning the truth. There can be no hope of the truth in really important matters. That is why such people are nutjobs - like people believing in fairies.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
It was 'the Others'.
http://www.reuters.com/article...
"You see, in America, critical thinking is prized right up to the point where an important person(tm) speaks. All subsequent critical thinking is conspiracy nut batshit tinfoil hat wearing wacko pluck-your-banjo-with-your-single-tooth teabagger loony."
What is called "Critical Thinking" is responsible for a steep decline of academic proficiency. Right next to my work place is a room full of people who work on critical thinking theories every day, yet they have a hard time formulating sound arguments, lack any math or formal reasoning skills whatsoever, and pull the content of their qualitative 'research' essays out of their asses.
I'm not saying critical thinking is undesirable in general, but what runs under this label nowadays clearly is. For real critical thinking you need to first learn how to think, learn the state of the art and acquire hard skills, and then you might be able to criticize. Not vice versa.
That's also the problem of the conspiracy nuts. They confuse making up a coherent story with science. And even worse, they usually get the 'coherence' part wrong, too.
About as much as one that claims to not be spying on it's own citizens.
Just another day in Paradise
Why do you think it crashed in the ocean?
If it was hi-jacked, most likely they landed on a small island using a special-purpose airfield. Maybe an existing field or a whole new field.
Question: why would anyone want a Boeing 777 - are they going to camoflage it and pretend to be another flight or what's going on?
You really infuriated the thundering assholes... Bravo! :-) Critical thinking is too hard to then, it's way much easier to just do what the Great Leader (the important person) tells. And notice that none of them really read what you wrote... They automatically enraged when they read the taboo word "conspiracy"
Who is John Galt?
The above is the title of an article I read a few years ago about an airplane repo company, where he spilled quite a few interesting secrets. There was also an "Airplane Repo" show on Discovery.
Might be worth hunting down either/or.
make phone calls? So it might be possible.
I tried using mod points and they were all deleted of the comments that I moderated on this story, what is going on? (And before anyone asks, I do not tried to comment.)
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Hey. I tried to answer your comment as "AC" and the comment was immediately deleted. What the hell is happening?
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
There's a conspiracy to generate conspiracies around every action so that in the end, no one knows what to believe.
Phones have gps chips, perhaps data from satellite tracking is stored and could be analysed for position as there must be a data stream out, perhaps only gathered by .mil.
Secondarily imagery from satellites can be used fro tracking. My guess is that the US has a very good idea of the last know position of the aircraft but doesn't want to reveal methods. They are trying to give us hints, however.
Seriously, this is starting to seem like the TV series Lost. Were any actors on board?
I empathize with the families for I have little hope of finding the passengers and crew alive.
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Explain then how every single commercial airport has a spinny RADAR looking dish on site???
Beta makes me want to kick the designers in the nuts.
You don't really understand the concept of an orbit do you?
Really there had to have been a few cell phones on that plane the NSA should be putting its tracking efforts to good use.
If the ping the plane sent every hour reached 2 or more satellites
and you have the time the ping reached each one. You can find how far from the satellites the plane is. Two give a straight line 3 give a point.The more pings and approximation becomes better. One satellite the number of pings helps and so does speed of the plane
forgetting the fact that every other blip has a transponder signal may make you right, but as soon as reality hits you that nobody else out there over the ocean will be flying without a transponder, I start to smell fish.
Would the flight crew, or even a passenger on the plane, know that the engine has a radio in it? Is it within the realm of possibilities that they took the batteries out of the plane and connected them to the engine's radio to use as a beacon? If the plane crash landed on solid ground, could the emergency radio beacon been destroyed, perhaps due to blast damage? Were any individuals on the plane that had a background in electronics that could MacGyver something up?
Naturally, this has already been confirmed by one satellite (that 370 flew for 4 to 5 more hours and then landed, but it would take two more satellites receiving the aircraft's transmissions, at the same time, to triangulate where it landed at). Obviously, by this time even the dumbest of the dumb (that would be the typical American) should realize this was a sky heist or air heist not a hijacking, most likely involving the AC (aircraft commander) and perhaps both pilots. There was something mighty valuable aboard that bird, and since the cargo manifest included special handling instructions for a container of highly sensitive digital electronics, the rumor that a radically new chip was aboard might be true. If such a chip prototype were being transported on a passenger flight, instead of a private jet, it begs the question whether the Freescale Semiconductor engineers were taking it to China for manufacturing purposes, or to hand off to the Chinese government. We do know that Freescale Semiconductor is owned by the Blackstone Group and Carlyle Group (with investments by AIG) and whenever you have the Carlyle Group, murky things happen, and times one thousand when the Blackstone Group is involved, because, really, the Carlyle Group is simply a subset of the Blackstone Group, as anyone familiar with the two private equity/leveraged buyout firms will attest.
to most of us, so I suspect you are near the end to catch on, normally speaking. It was a sky heist --- something mighty valuable aboard that airliner. Captain, in his home flight simulator, was practising very short landings, and short mountain terrain landings. Starting to clue in, fella?
If a tower connected to a phone sufficiently to ring it. The cell carrier knows which tower it was connected to. Which would dramatically decrease search area if it was true.
Assumption on top of assumption.
Yep. And one of them identified himself by first and last name on his mother's voice mail.
...perhaps you should start paying attention to the International News, not Doofus News USA, for a change? With 24 hours it was obvious what was going on, but as long as you listen to either Fox or Fox Lite (CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, etc.), you will continue to sound like a douchetard, no offense meant, just stating the obvious here.
ALL THE TECHNICAL DATA suggests sky heist, sky heist, sky heist, as well as the cargo manifest and passenger manifest. Who owns Freescale Semiconductor? Were they working on what was considered a radically new chip, as in computer chip. Were they transporting the prototype, for whatever reason since you'd think they'd use a private jet, aboard Flight 370? (Answers: Blackstone Group and Carlyle Group --- yes --- yes)
wait a sec... are you implying that there is a conspiracy against conspiracies?
Lots of things could explain these things, like a fire in the cockpit, causing the occupants to get out or vacate, and then the fire consuming pieces of equipment slowly. If the plane didn't instantly break up due to something, then fire or fire and hypoxia explain quite a bit.
The 2011 fire in a 777 in Cairo while on the ground is a good reference point, even if the cause may not be the exact same cause.
The systems failing one by one could be fire, or fire with hypoxia.
Imaging a fire (like what happend on the ground in Cairo in 2011 to a 777) in the cockpit, causing the pilots to abandon it.
Not only would a fire likely kill components at distinct times, but it would also likely cause decompression, and then hypoxia for everyone on board.
I'm just asking you as you seem to know how the overall picture works. To me, it makes no sense. I'm just curious as to me it thinks you'd want that guy on ALL the time.
A fundamental aspect of radar operation is that the signal strength diminishes as range^4, due to spherical propagation of both transmitted and reflected wave fronts. Transponders essentially amplify and retransmit the signal (often adding additional information), so the effective attenuation is only proportional to range^2. This makes a very big difference to the maximum tracking range for a given radar system. So, switching off the transponder could easily make the plane disappear from ATC's point of view, with the reflected signal from the aircraft skin being well below the noise floor.
Military radars are designed with uncooperative targets in mind and tend to be much more powerful. Long range early warning radars have typical ranges of a few hundred km, which can still leave a lot of gaps on a regional/global scale.
Everything electrical in the aircraft has to be under the control of the pilots in order to respond to emergencies. For example, an electrical fire might require shutting down the two busses carrying he redundant transponders. Or a generator failure might mean powering down non-critical equipment, which could easily be the transponder if the pilot is already near an airport and in radar contact. There is simply no practical way to protect most equipment from malicious onboard actors.
Really? It seems to me that if ordinary people thought that way, there'd be fewer conspiracy theories going around. People would have laughed at the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories, the 9/11 conspiracy theories, the anti-vaxxers, the whole Watergate incident, etc.
So, I have to ask: how do you benefit by trying to make people believe that the US general population laughs at conspiracy theories? And who's in it with you?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Facts:
- plane has disappeared from civil radar
- plane has disappeared a little later from military radar
- plane kept connecting back to satellites many hours past disappearing
- speed and heading after disappearing from radar are unknown
- plane has not been located since, nor any debris
- no communications from the plane, its crew or any of its passenger has been received ever since it disappeared from radar
Ok, no let's conclude what this means:
- no debris means the plane did probably not break up, explode or crash
- continued connections from the plane to satellites implies it was operational well past its disappearance
- as planes tend not to disappear into thin air, it is probably still in tact
- planes don't stay in flight for ever, and since it hasn't crashed, it has most probably landed *somewhere*
- we ought to be checking possible landing places and hideaways
- checkout the odd James Bond movie, they had some interesting ideas in that regards
What's striking is that the official media are still pondering the idea that the plane must have crashed when the facts don't give any indication that that's the case. Also the search effort by Digital Global's tomnod platform seems weird as it has the world over search wast areas of ocean open waters. Clearly, that's the most unlikely place of all where the plane might be by now.
Our interstate highway system is dual use. During war, it doubles as landing strips for the air force. One way to search for this plane would be to look for skid marks on a stretch of road in a country close to the water with poor military radar capabilities. Bangladesh comes to mind as a possibility. Evidence of a fuel dump might be the trout in the milk.
The US should consider what embassies in the area could be targeted by this jet without interception and also consider if a carrier group could repel a kamikazi attack using such a large plane. A diving attack might be difficult to stop.
How about the plane being hijacked via a computer virus from a personal computer or even a mobile phone on board?
And people say Slashdot is declining. This is just as foul as anything back to the old days!
Flown to Andaman Islands as planned in 1950's, stripped of dead passengers and all seats/interior fittings, fuselage modified to serve as bomber, loaded with Atomic Bomb and flown to.....???? ...where bomb will be dropped.
Just a theory
Here is an interesting conspiracy speculation.... What about North Korea? They don't have rockets that can reach the US mainland to deliver a nuke payload; however, a 777 that is stripped down and outfitted with radar evading tech could do it. All with plausible deniability after a horrific event because the plane was "hijacked".