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Canonical Shutting Down Ubuntu One File Services

jones_supa (887896) writes "Wanting to focus their efforts on their most important strategic initiatives and ensuring that the company is not spread too thin, Canonical is shutting down Ubuntu One file services. With other services now regularly offering from 25 GB to 50 GB of free storage, the personal cloud storage space wasn't a sustainable place for Canonical. As of today, it will no longer be possible to purchase storage or music from the Ubuntu One store. The Ubuntu One software will not be included in the upcoming Ubuntu 14.04 LTS release, and the Ubuntu One apps in older versions of Ubuntu and in the Ubuntu, Google, and Apple stores will be updated appropriately.

The current services will be unavailable from 1 June 2014; user content will remain available for download until 31 July, at which time it will be deleted. For a spark of solace, the company promises to open source the backend code."

161 comments

  1. It's a pity by nicomede · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I for one used this service to share files between my Ubuntu desktops, it worked seamlessly. It is especially useful for development files (programs and scripts) that I share between my different workplaces.

    If anyone has a replacement suggestion that integrates well with the Ubuntu desktop, I would be glad to hear from it.

    1. Re:It's a pity by pelayo · · Score: 5, Informative

      What about Dropbox or Owncloud?

    2. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2gb of space for dropbox. Its a pittance.

    3. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Learn to use rsync over ssh.

    4. Re:It's a pity by Kz · · Score: 2

      unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/), BTSync (http://www.bittorrent.com/sync).

      neither of these needs any "cloud" storage, just transfers efficiently between your machines. The first one is Open Source and easy to use: GUI, CLI, cron... The second one is free but closed, runs as a daemon and can be installed on several NAS boxes.

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    5. Re:It's a pity by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Try Copy. It's cheap and you get a lot of free storage for referring people.

    6. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than 0 GB, no?

    7. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about wuala ? They are based offshore and have compatibility for all platforms everything from linux to WP8

      http://www.wuala.com/referral/JGA5NCHF3CBHK3AGCJPJ

    8. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BitTorrent Sync.

      Simple, reliable, fast and free.

    9. Re:It's a pity by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Try Copy. It's cheap and you get a lot of free storage for referring people.

      You forgot to say "Tell em umafuckit sent you!".

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    10. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he the son of Agatha Christie?

    11. Re:It's a pity by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

      Consider SpiderOak Backup - they have a package repository for Ubuntu and the "Spideroak Hive" is, I believe, much like the Ubuntu One folder. I use it for backups but it looks to be nicely usable as a One replacement, especially if you're not sharing with other people a lot.

      They recently sent me an email that they're offering unlimited storage for $125 a year as well, though I'm not sure how that works in practice.

      And, of course, their big claim to fame is that they're zero-knowledge, so no NSA requests, etc etc.

    12. Re:It's a pity by mikael · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't an external USB drive be more practical? You can even make your own by simply buying a $10 case and 2.5" disk drive. Anything up to 500 Gigabytes of storage in your pocket.

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    13. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Git. Put those scripts in version control.

    14. Re:It's a pity by sexconker · · Score: 1

      BitTorrent Sync.

      Simple, reliable, fast and free.

      And not an option because the company behind it is untrustworthy.

    15. Re:It's a pity by Teun · · Score: 1
      It won't be available for all and it's of limited size but my provider includes a 10GB webdisk.

      Very private and webdav is included in any complete Linux file manager, read-only access is via https.

      Android is, among others, supported via the ES File Explorer.

      For the less private stuff I use Dropbox, due to a few referrals it has grown to 3.75 GB.

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    16. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you lose it? It's stolen? Stops working? You don't have it when you need it? What if it's confiscated whilst traveling through an airport? If you only have one copy of your data, you don't own your data. One working copy, two backups that are sync'd. Perhaps even a fourth copy if you're paranoid.

    17. Re:It's a pity by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      grive is available as a linux client for the google gdrive. It syncs a folder to the gdrive so you don't have to be on a particular computer/phone/tablet or operating system.

      It's pretty useful especially to students, they get network storage in the college but its not really much use to them outside of the college most use unbacked up usb sticks which is fine until they fail...

    18. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we also learn how to use the slide rule as well since it too worked in the past?

    19. Re:It's a pity by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Try Copy. It's cheap and you get a lot of free storage for referring people.

      You forgot to say "Tell em umafuckit sent you!".

      Oh, fuck, you're right. Yes, tell them that in this manner and you get 5 gigs extra space. As a pleasing side-effect, so do I.

    20. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until they shut down or start holding your data for ransom...

      This story is a perfect example of why I will never trust cloud storage.

    21. Re:It's a pity by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The nice thing about 'cloud' services is that you don't need your computers to be on at the same time. There's nothing special about 'the cloud' that makes that work, it's just about having one dedicated machine or group of machines that is guaranteed to be on and reachable. The thing that makes this attractive for most home users is that buying and running such a machine is expensive. This is more or less the point of the FreedomBox (remember that?) which was supposed to provide such services from your home Internet connection, wherever you are. Of course, that doesn't work if you turn off the power to your router when you go away on holiday, but still want to be able to sync your photos...

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    22. Re:It's a pity by Teun · · Score: 1

      A USB shouldn't be main storage but instead used to sync between computers.

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    23. Re:It's a pity by BeerCat · · Score: 1

      Until they shut down or start holding your data for ransom...

      This story is a perfect example of why I will never trust cloud storage.

      True enough - I use it as a means for people to view stuff of mine, without having to send them a large email. But I retain the originals on my own machine.

      (And currently migrating a number of club newsletters from UbuntuOne to Dropbox. If Dropbox dies, then I still have the originals)

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    24. Re:It's a pity by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't an external USB drive be more practical? You can even make your own by simply buying a $10 case and 2.5" disk drive. Anything up to 500 Gigabytes of storage in your pocket.

      The days of buying your enclosure and disk separately to save a few bucks are long gone.
      And 500 GB? Multi-TB USB 3.0 drives from Hitachi/Seagate/WD can be had on the slim and cheap.

    25. Re:It's a pity by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I second the choice for copy.com. Basically the biggest free storage you can get.

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    26. Re:It's a pity by cynicist · · Score: 1

      I just found Wuala as an alternative. I'm not sure what kind of integration you are looking for but the interface is quite nice. They have packages for Ubuntu among other distributions, as well as an Android client. You get 5G of free storage and my favorite part is that they do client-side encryption unlike most cloud providers.

    27. Re:It's a pity by Static · · Score: 1

      DropBox expects an internet connection - it simply doesn't work _at all_ without that. Or at least, it did when I looked at it for my WiFi-only tablet. This was not a good user experience.

      Ubuntu One does not expect an Internet connection. Instead it caches all the meta-data; you only need an Internet connection to actually get a file or send an update. Much better user experience.

    28. Re:It's a pity by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Some (most? all?) hard drives sold in enclosures have USB soldered-on, no SATA interface ; I find that a bit evil and would rather be able to reuse the hard drive or enclosure any way I see fit as well as choosing the precise color scheme and look/physical features of the enclosure.

      USB-to-SATA docks or e-SATA or even hot-swap SATA dock in a desktop's drive bay are other options.

    29. Re:It's a pity by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I for one used this service to share files between my Ubuntu desktops, it worked seamlessly. It is especially useful for development files (programs and scripts) that I share between my different workplaces.

      If anyone has a replacement suggestion that integrates well with the Ubuntu desktop, I would be glad to hear from it.

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    30. Re:It's a pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insync - https://www.insynchq.com/ ... I've used Ubuntu one for a long time but I moved to drive because I get more space for cheaper and the web ui is vastly superior.

    31. Re:It's a pity by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it is a learning experience, once you have been burned you should learn that you need at least 2 copies and if it matters a third at least.

      Actually it would be a good idea if say office programs would save in a couple of locations by default and perhaps some versioning as well.
       

    32. Re:It's a pity by Number42 · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Dropbox always stores your synced files locally.

  2. like always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Canonical is genius on wasting money , they start so many project , and neither of them actually works great . just look at unity , mir and so many other. e.g unity first written in (i think) gtk , then Canonical created nux (c++ framework), then ported to nux , and unity 2 to qml , and now they port whole unity to Qt again. something same will happen for mir . then no serious company never will look at mir seriously (like nvidia ATI )

    1. Re:like always by BreakBad · · Score: 1

      Its the new Trail-and-Error method of innovation....its an infinite loop.

    2. Re:like always by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      they start so many project , and neither of them actually works great

      This would be my last complaint about Canonical. In any industry, 90+% of ideas are going to turn out to be unworkable. It's admirable that Canonical puts resources into trying so many in the first place. Perhaps they need to learn when to cut losses sooner, but trying is the mature approach.

      Now then, back to complaining about Canonical: they're releasing the code for the backend? Somebody tell me that the front end was just a webdav client and that the backend handled all the locking and synchronization parts so that this isn't a meaningless gesture for customers who are getting cut off with a whole two months' notice to re-design their workflows.

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    3. Re:like always by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not much different from Google. Google has long had a "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" approach to business. But unlike Canonical, Google already had a cash cow in the form of its search service and the attached advertising services, and then later its Gmail service, so it could afford this kind of approach.

    4. Re:like always by Beuno · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now then, back to complaining about Canonical: they're releasing the code for the backend? Somebody tell me that the front end was just a webdav client and that the backend handled all the locking and synchronization parts so that this isn't a meaningless gesture for customers who are getting cut off with a whole two months' notice to re-design their workflows.

      The client is not a simple webdav client, it's a pretty complex piece of code that has been open source since day one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~u...

      The server is a complex beast. It's the other side of the syncing protocol, it has a series of workers that do all sorts of tasks on uploaded files to present them back in a scalable, usable way, it handles music purchasing and delivering, performance metrics on the system, sharing between users, and a long etc :)

      I don't think users will care about open sourcing any of it, but others might be able to pick up where we left off.

    5. Re:like always by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Canonical is genius on wasting money , they start so many project , and neither of them actually works great . just look at unity , mir and so many other.
      e.g unity first written in (i think) gtk , then Canonical created nux (c++ framework), then ported to nux , and unity 2 to qml , and now they port whole unity to Qt again.
      something same will happen for mir . then no serious company never will look at mir seriously (like nvidia ATI )

      Go found a company in your parents garage and sell it for half a billion dollars. Then you can "waste" money too.

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    6. Re:like always by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      a pretty complex piece of code that has been open source since day one

      Thanks, Beuno! I didn't even realize it was multi-platform. Hopefully with the server going open source there will be new interest sparked in replacing the proprietary commercial offerings.

      to pick up where we left off.

      I just have to ask - Be Uno? Ubuntu One? Just a coincidence? :)

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    7. Re:like always by div_2n · · Score: 1

      Well this is rather unfortunate. I had my complaints about it, but those were allegedly being addressed. This necessarily raises questions about what's going to power the sync for Ubuntu phones.

    8. Re:like always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Individual end users may not care about open sourcing it, but some of us would really love to throw that servic einfront of a couple hundred TB of storage for our users and have been kinda pissed Canonical was doing closed source development in thte first place

  3. Thank you Kubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never used this service before, don't know why, maybe because it's not installed by default on kubuntu.

  4. Another Cloud Dispersal by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The non-permanence of cloud services like storage and sharing is going to be hard to solve. Sure some will last. But some will not. How do you choose the ones the will?

    How will the industry handle the increasing number of people that have suffered "cloud failure". These people are going to be reluctant to use future services.

    1. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The non-permanence of cloud services like storage and sharing is going to be hard to solve. Sure some will last. But some will not. How do you choose the ones the will?

      Ask the NSA which one they use.

    2. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Warbothong · · Score: 1

      The non-permanence of cloud services like storage and sharing is going to be hard to solve. Sure some will last. But some will not. How do you choose the ones the will?

      By building a "Services as a Service" layer on top, which delegates the storage to whoever's still around.

      Oblig. https://xkcd.com/927/

    3. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A solution you implement yourself will last as long as you make it last. 16TB ZFS server with BitTorrent Sync? Yes please.

    4. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or even better do not pay gor none of them. Only by using internet, you are automatically added to NSA cloud without payment for your data storage. You only have to ask them to allow download yoir stuff (sarcasm)

    5. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Natales · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. Unfortunately, it's a normal part of the growth and maturity of a new industry. We tend to forget how new all this stuff is. Adjustments, consolidations and failures will occur, but they will collectively contribute to a more robust ecosystem down the road. Like with any technology, early adopters tend to get screwed, the difference is that people were treated as "consenting" early adopters when in reality they thought they were relying on a "permanent" service.

      What I do find interesting though, it's the desire from Canonical to release the source code. That can be very beneficial for all of us and new services can be spawned from there. It will be good to see what did they use underneath (Csync2 may be?) and it will be good to have alternatives to ownCloud and other services.

    6. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Roll your own.

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    7. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By building a "Services as a Service" layer on top, which delegates the storage to whoever's still around.

      Oblig. https://xkcd.com/927/

      I think Younited tries to implement something like this.

    8. Re:Another Cloud Dispersal by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Their answer: All of them.

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  5. Ideals vs Sustainable. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A common problem with companies that has a strong FOSS leaning, is that they come up with a lot of good ideas that will often not take off too well. And often will be discontinued shortly.
    Now I applaud them for trying, however it creates a catch 22 problem.
    If people do not feel comfortable that your service will last, they will not use it, your next idea will not be utilized because you have created a history of dropping products.

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    1. Re:Ideals vs Sustainable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A common problem with companies that has a strong FOSS leaning

      Because Closed Source companies NEVER release products they ditch randomly? Hell, just look at Microsoft. Silverlight, Zune are just two glaring examples that come to my mind.

    2. Re:Ideals vs Sustainable. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I still have to run Silverlight apps It just isn't in Metro mode in Windows 8, and those people who got a Zune can still use it. There are still updates too.

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  6. other suggestions? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    I started using sugarsync's free edition -- then they decided to better serve their customers by eliminating that option .. so i moved to Ubuntu one. And now It appears that Canonical is also wanting to better serve their customers by discontinuing the service.

    My space requirements are very very slim (maybe 200MB) Would Dropbox be the go-to replacement (all machines are running windows)

    1. Re:other suggestions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Alternatively there's SpiderOak if you want you files encrypted in the cloud.
      You could also set up you own personal cloud using OwnCloud if you have a webserver or a machine which is always-on which you can use as a webserver. it would do away with the space constraints and longevity of the service. You would only have to manage uptime and connectivity of the server.

    2. Re:other suggestions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started using sugarsync's free edition -- then they decided to better serve their customers by eliminating that option .. so i moved to Ubuntu one. And now It appears that Canonical is also wanting to better serve their customers by discontinuing the service.

      My space requirements are very very slim (maybe 200MB) Would Dropbox be the go-to replacement (all machines are running windows)

      Dropbox works fine on Windows / Linux and Mac.

    3. Re:other suggestions? by vladilinsky · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am always on the lookout for cloud storage my current list from best to worst with their respective pros and cons are (*Based on what I have seen & most of my computers run linux so its a major part of my list)

      1. Copy.com - Most free storage 15 gb, works with every environment, Integrates acceptably with linux, Most generous with new free space for referrals (+5 gb for both parties). I have not yet witnessed how it handles conflicting copies of a file. On that note If anyone wants a copy account we both get an extra 5 gigs if you follow my referral link https://copy.com?r=9frCDJ
      2. Dropbox - Great handling of conflicting copies, works with every environment, great linux integration, lowest storage space and lowest storage space per referral. Great handling of conflicted copies.
      3. Spideroak - Great linux integration, great encryption, No online viewing of files (due to the encryption) great linux integration 4. Box - great free space, none existent linux integration, no conflict checking/ history for free version. It ate many of my important school files because of this. 5. There are also Google drive and microsoft Onedrive but I have no experience with them.

      To sum up, right now My favorite is copy.com due to copious amounts for free space and Linux intigration. Hope that helps

    4. Re:other suggestions? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Yes. Alternatively there's SpiderOak if you want you files encrypted in the cloud.
      You could also set up you own personal cloud using OwnCloud if you have a webserver or a machine which is always-on which you can use as a webserver. it would do away with the space constraints and longevity of the service. You would only have to manage uptime and connectivity of the server.

      You can rent an Amazon AWS micro instance for around $7/month (including a few GB of disk space -- additional space is $0.05/GB/month). Data transfer can kill you if you share a lot of data, inbound data to AWS is free, but outbound data is $0.12/GB so if you're send a 1GB file to 10 devices, that's $1.20 in bandwidth.

    5. Re:other suggestions? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Google Drive?

      I know you said Windows, but for those not using it (like the majority of Ubuntu One users one presumes...) there's actually a few FUSE drivers out there that can make your Google Drive part of your regular file system (these started being developed back in the Google Docs days), which is nice.

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    6. Re:other suggestions? by erlegreer · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend Dropbox. It has clients for Win, Linux, iOS, Android, BlackBerry OS, and others, including direct web access. I think you start with a free 2GB, but you can get a few GB more for free by linking your various devices and inviting friends. I think my total is around 8GB currently.

      It seems to work flawlessly. Any time you make changes or add files, the folder icon changes to a folder sync icon, letting you know which folders are still syncing. I have my wife using her own Dropbox for her contract work, and my teens have their own for their homework, music, etc.

    7. Re:other suggestions? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      You can rent an Amazon AWS micro instance for around $7/month (including a few GB of disk space -- additional space is $0.05/GB/month). Data transfer can kill you if you share a lot of data, inbound data to AWS is free, but outbound data is $0.12/GB so if you're send a 1GB file to 10 devices, that's $1.20 in bandwidth.

      I rent several 512MB Xen-based Linux virtual servers that I pay $28.50/semi-annually for. On month-to-month, they're $5/mo.. They come with 512mb of ram, 1GB of swap, 30GB of diskspace, and 1TB of transfer/month.. I've only had one minor issue with them, where somehow, the vps allocated_ram configuration on one of my slices got set to 128mb vs 512mb.. A quick support ticket to them got the problem fixed. I'd say that was quite a bit cheaper than AWS.. I don't have any ties with the company, just a happy customer.. Google "Virpus networks"...

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    8. Re:other suggestions? by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      I also love dropbox but the space they give you is not enough unless you are willing to pay. I use copy.com which has similar features to dropbox, with way more space. I would use dropbox in a second over copy if they had same amount (or even close to the same amount) of space for free, but since they dont ill stick to copy.

    9. Re:other suggestions? by master_kaos · · Score: 2

      I don't know about "Great linux integration" for dropbox, At work we have the business version working on our ubuntu fileserver and we are trying to sync 300k files. (eventually we want to replace this with a VPN but can't at the moment). Linux version crashes at least once a week, we even tried it on another ubuntu box and same issue. We reinstalled our fileserver with windows 7 and it has now been working solid for over a month with no crashes.

    10. Re:other suggestions? by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

      And it has versioning via the website. You can see all recent activity, revert to old versions and undo deletions.

    11. Re:other suggestions? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      maybe switch to something else than ubuntu?

      and uh, dropbox and 300k files is going to be shitty no matter what and that really sounds like there's no actual desktop or mobile users syncing to that dropbox which would be the whole point of using dropbox.

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    12. Re:other suggestions? by paraax · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spideroak allows online viewing via web interface. Anytime you use the web interface, however, you give up the zero knowledge portion as they need your password to decrypt the files. Also there is a shared folder feature that allows you to create a separate share password to give out to other people for a folder. Presumably use of this feature also gives up on the zero-knowledge at least for that folder.

    13. Re:other suggestions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      200 MB? You can get flash drives in your cereal with larger capacities than that.

    14. Re:other suggestions? by Teun · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you could do with a USB thumb drive...

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    15. Re:other suggestions? by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      BitTorrent Sync is great, unless you really need cloud storage.

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    16. Re:other suggestions? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Anytime you use the web interface, however, you give up the zero knowledge portion as they need your password to decrypt the files.

      Why must this be the case? I was under the impression that the web interface could decrypt files in JavaScript, especially in a couple weeks once IE 8 is no longer a requirement.

    17. Re:other suggestions? by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      You mean that it will take a couple weeks to decrypt a file using Javascript in IE8?

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    18. Re:other suggestions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anytime you use the web interface, however, you give up the zero knowledge portion as they need your password to decrypt the files.

      Why must this be the case? I was under the impression that the web interface could decrypt files in JavaScript, especially in a couple weeks once IE 8 is no longer a requirement.

      isn't that what "mega" does?

    19. Re:other suggestions? by Static · · Score: 1

      DropBox, by design, expects an internet connection to work. Ubuntu One does not, except to actually transfer an update, because it caches the meta data. This is a _major_ usability improvement on a tablet that is WiFi-only, for instance.

    20. Re:other suggestions? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I cleaned up after Dropbox on a computer (Ubuntu 11.04).. Someone decided to install a dropbox package.. which is an extension for the Nautilus file manager, except the only GUI installed was LXDE (file manager is pcmanfm). So, what a funny situation.. Doesn't work and the user has no clue. I don't care as I don't use Dropbox and I guess the user could use a web interface to get his/her files.

      On my current installation I have a choice of caja-dropbox, nemo-dropbox and nautilus-dropbox so that's better (but still doesn't include pcmanfm).

  7. 2nd April by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they posting fools on 2nd April? No, i think they use Ubuntu One to update they're blog, they posted that thing yesterday

  8. Dropbox as a Replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've used it and it works nicely across multiple Linux Distros though for Dev files, why not a github account?

    captcha = hooked

  9. Dust, Bites, One, Another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you "sell" your labor for free these things happen. Hurts. See, Truth.

  10. FTP? by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Seriously , why do so many people thinking transfering files is some new problem still looking for a solution? I can understand it for Windows users but Linux users really should know better.

    1. Re:FTP? by paskie · · Score: 1

      For one, you need an FTP _server_ to exchange files (or your desktops need to be always-on, with public IP addresses). The same with rsync or ssh. I have one and I'm fine without these cloud services, but the point here is that people don't have to set up their own.

      (A service that would allow an end-user to easily roll their own VPS or buy preconfigured RPi/whatever with pre-configured mail server, webmail client, file sharing etc. would be awesome. Some are in the works, none are ready yet. Which is why cloud services matter for users.)

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    2. Re:FTP? by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously , why do so many people thinking transfering files is some new problem still looking for a solution? I can understand it for Windows users but Linux users really should know better.

      Because FTP only supplies the transport layer - it's not going to automatically sync the 1000 files you dropped in the FTP directory and won't do the many-to-many replication that people use to share files among multiple desktops. Even rsync gets a little cumbersome for that without a central server that they all have access to, and if you're going to set up a server, you may as well set up something like OwnCloud.

    3. Re:FTP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because in many cases we do not have a private server somewhere to store our files and we'd like to sync them seamlessly without having both computers turned on. I even have port forwarding set up for ssh on my home computer but only in case of an emergency in which I'd call my brother and ask him to turn it on because it's usually turned off.

      You can just use dropbox but you'd have to copy the files from the dropbox folder with another tool and you would not get a simple UI for choosing what to share.

    4. Re:FTP? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      FTP is not even in the same league of functionality or convenience, to say nothing of security. OwnCloud would be a more reasonable solution.

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    5. Re:FTP? by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      I like FTP as much as the next Slashdotter, but it's not a perfect overlap to the same problem that Dropbox/Gdrive/UbuntuOne solves.

      FTP doesn't do delta syncs. While this is okay for a 50KB text file or even a 2MB spreadsheet, transferring a 1GB file in its entirety is undesirable.
      FTP requires an "intentional transfer". You save locally, then you upload remotely. U1 et al does this as a single step.
      FTP requires an open port on the receiving end, which is not always possible (e.g., public/corporate Wi-Fi). These services handle NAT traversal seamlessly.
      FTP is sometimes blocked on residential internet connections. U1 is not.
      FTP can only share files with another user if its structure is designed to accommodate it. Dropbox can share files using a simple "share" command (I don't know if U1 supports this).
      FTP on mobile devices is a nightmare, either because iOS gets weird with its attempts to hide the "complexity" of a file system, or because Android doesn't. Again, Dropbox makes this seamless, but I don't know if U1 does this any better.

      Like I said, I really like FTP, because it's very quick, no storage limits, and is a very minimalist protocol that has withstood the test of time. There are, however, very valid reasons for the success of services like Ubuntu One and Dropbox.

    6. Re:FTP? by Yosho · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do so many people suggest newfangled technologies like FTP? I can understand it for Windows users, but Linux users should be able to just use netcat.

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    7. Re:FTP? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      For one, you need an FTP _server_ to exchange files (or your desktops need to be always-on, with public IP addresses). The same with rsync or ssh. I have one and I'm fine without these cloud services, but the point here is that people don't have to set up their own.

      (A service that would allow an end-user to easily roll their own VPS or buy preconfigured RPi/whatever with pre-configured mail server, webmail client, file sharing etc. would be awesome. Some are in the works, none are ready yet. Which is why cloud services matter for users.)

      You don't need to install a ftp server as most distros come with ssh out of the box use that with scp. As for a public IP address no you don't need that either just use a dynamic dns service that's what I use on my server.

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    8. Re:FTP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to transfer files, I want to work with files stored on another machine.

      There may be transfer of data, but there is not an independant copy of the file on every machine.

      That people can not see the difference between api access to files packaged well, and a file copy service is very sad.

    9. Re:FTP? by xvan · · Score: 1

      What?????? I suppose you never heard of DDNS?

    10. Re:FTP? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      For one, you need an FTP _server_ to exchange files (or your desktops need to be always-on, with public IP addresses).

      Who needs a desktop? Pi works for me. It comes back up after power failures and everything.

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    11. Re:FTP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for a public IP address no you don't need that either just use a dynamic dns service that's what I use on my server.

      What? You may not need a static IP address but you certainly need a public one. What good would dynamic DNS do if it was pointing to a 10.x.x.x IP or to a NAT IP?

    12. Re:FTP? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Too bad LiveMesh kicked the bucket, as it was actually the perfect solution (once you got over the performance hit).

    13. Re:FTP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless I'm very much mistaken BitSync should do that quite nicely for you.

    14. Re:FTP? by tepples · · Score: 1

      If your ISP provides an IPv4 address in private-internet space, use the IPv6 address that it provides instead. If your ISP provides an IPv4 address in private-internet space and no IPv6 address, rent a VPS.

    15. Re:FTP? by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      When you are trying to download a file over FTP and you lose the connection 20% through a 10 GB file, FTP doesnt look too good at all. Its good to have a "guaranteed delivery" solution that will restart the file transfers which have been running even if the computer is rebooted, right from where it left off. This is like what Websphere MQ does. Even Rsync sort of sucks, if the process is interrupted, it has no idea where it stopped so it starts the whole process of scanning directories looking for updated files from the beginning. Just scanning directories and files looking for updates is a little archaic as the filesystem itself should provide an update log to show exactly which files have changed since the last backup eliminating the need for a filesystem wide scan.

    16. Re:FTP? by tepples · · Score: 1

      or your desktops need to be always-on, with public IP addresses

      What?????? I suppose you never heard of DDNS?

      DDNS doesn't help if your ISP puts you behind carrier-grade NAT or if your home computer enters suspend after you've stepped away from it for an hour.

    17. Re:FTP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, one of those things doesn't really happen anymore. And if only you could set your home computer to wake up or maybe even not to into suspend at all?

    18. Re:FTP? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      While I haven't used FTP commands in the past decade and a half, isn't that what REST [byte size of incomplete file] is for?

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    19. Re:FTP? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      I think, he meant you do not need to know what the public IP is.

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    20. Re:FTP? by Number42 · · Score: 1

      Goddamned kids and their Internet. The only true way is FedExing physical storage media.

  11. Best Ubuntu feature ever!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now at last, a reason to rediscover Ubuntu, all over again...

  12. Yikes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [quote]The current services will be unavailable from 1 June 2014; user content will remain available for download until 31 July, at which time it will be deleted.[/quote]

    Yikes! There will definitely be people who lose data because of such a short time scale between announcement and deletion. They should keep it up for at least a year from the cancellation of service.

    1. Re:Yikes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [quote]The current services will be unavailable from 1 June 2014; user content will remain available for download until 31 July, at which time it will be deleted.[/quote]

      Yikes! There will definitely be people who lose data because of such a short time scale between announcement and deletion. They should keep it up for at least a year from the cancellation of service.

      Don't worry, it won't be deleted. Like every cloud service, the data is mirrored on government servers.

  13. One of this last good things Ubuntu by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pardon this post as it is heavy on opinion. If you think it's so far off the mark you want to mod me down, it would be far more productive to reply.

    Ubuntu One was a pretty big deal and one of the last good things attached to Canonical Ubuntu's name (IMHO). Hard times at Canonical perhaps? Canonical has always struck me as a company that won't be around forever, if even a few scant more years. They are always either too busy chasing unrealistic goals in the hopes of being elevated to the levels of the real major players in tech, or are busy fighting against popular trends and pushing back against the overall direction of Linux and Open Source.

    The death of Canonical is a shake up the Linux development community needs for both perspective and spurring continued innovation in Linux and Linux distributions.

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    1. Re:One of this last good things Ubuntu by sqorbit · · Score: 1

      I don't believe Ubuntu One was a major driving factor when people think of Ubuntu's name. It has it's fans, some who are very passionate about it and I don't think many of those fans would say that Ubuntu One is one of the major reasons they are fans. If you were a fan of Ubuntu before they close down Ubuntu One I don't think it will severely impact your opinion of their distro.

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    2. Re:One of this last good things Ubuntu by yenic · · Score: 1

      Yup, they had two chances to make a move into the realm where they could've made an impact (desktops) but failed to sign on with enough major deals with hardware vendors. Vista and now 8 were golden opportunities but they chose to chase some pipedream mobile fantasy instead. It won't work, and the market they're going for appears to be just as well served by FirefoxOS.

      Their mobile strategy, other than the slightly-neat idea of a mobile phone as your dockable desktop (which anyone could do, including MS), really doesn't make sense to add them into the market.

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  14. good. always hated it being default by doas777 · · Score: 1

    It always just seemed like the first step toward them becoming a really crappy apple store.

    Now if they just ditch unity and mir and their advertising in the dash, I can go back to using ubuntu.

    1. Re:good. always hated it being default by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Now if they just ditch unity and mir and their advertising in the dash, I can go back to using ubuntu.

      Why bother? Debian itself or the Mint-Debian edition will work just as well, withOUT the moronic Canonical touch that Ubuntu seems to have... I used to tout Ubuntu to all my friends, many of whom were on Windows.. Since Canonical/Ubuntu has started this slide to insanity, I've switched my allegiance over to Debian, for those who are fairly Linux-knowledgable, and Mint-Debian Edition, for Linux noobs..

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    2. Re:good. always hated it being default by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Five year support is a good incentive. Having wifi after installing without an internet connection is another one, though I guess Mint Debian fixes that.
      I'll be installing Mint Debian edition 32bit some, but after that Mint 17 (Ubuntu based) is probably a proposition I can't pass.. Fully works till 2019 and subsequent Ubuntu-based Mint versions are to be based on the LTS (with updated kernel and Xorg support, and updated Mate and Cinnamon environments). See linuxmint blog.

  15. as in source code? svn, git, etc by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you mean software or web pages you're developing, svn or other source control really is worth the 20 minutes or so it takes to set up the first time. Even if you're the only developer on the project. Github makes it easy to access your git repositories from anywhere if you don't have a server or dyndns.

    I didn't use source control for fifteen years because it seemed like it would be a hassle. When an employee set it up, I learned it reduces hassles.

  16. Make your own "cloud" with Bittorrent Sync... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use BitTorrent Sync to syncronize a couple of file shares between 2 workstations (Ubuntu+Win7), 1 laptop (Win7), and a ubuntu-12.04 server. I also use this to syncronize backup files between a production server and a backup server. Personally I've been able to retire my Dropbox account and a Ubuntu One account with this utility. This set-up has run well for almost 1-year. It does take a little more technical knowledge to set this up but I think it's well worth the effort.

  17. Re:Linux fails it yet again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know that Linux easily represents at least 10% of the total install market in the US today? Don't you? The numbers from sales are skewed because of the M$Tax but the truth of the matter is that Linux has a larger home user number than Windows 8 or OSX.

  18. Good by drolli · · Score: 0

    The service sucked from the beginning and if i want to have my mainly OS as a platform to get cloud services shuffled up my ass then i buy apple, android, or chrome OS.

  19. SpiderOak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SpiderOak - Zero-Knowledge: https://spideroak.com/

    Works on Windows, OS X, Linux (Debian, RH, and Slackware), mobile. I recently received an email from them with an offer of $125/year for unlimited space (sync and backup, automatic). That's a pretty good offer if you compare it with any other cloud provider.

    You can't use it via the web browser, though. Because it's zero-knowledge they can't tell what's in your data blocks so they can only link to files that you shared publicly.

    1. Re:SpiderOak by tepples · · Score: 1

      You can't use it via the web browser, though.

      Why the heck not? Even if it is zero-knowledge, I'd like to see their explanation of why they can't write a client entirely in JavaScript.

  20. Who regularly offers 25 to 50GB for free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of the storage sites I know, only two is in the range of 25-50GB.

    4Shared 15GB
    Amazon Cloud 5GB
    AT&T Locker 50GB
    Box 10GB
    Copy 15GB
    Dropbox 2GB
    ElephantDrive 2GB
    Google Drive 15GB
    iCloud 5GB
    Mega 50GB
    Mozy 2GB
    OneDrive 7GB

    Kim Dotcom seems to treat Mega as a hobby, so I don't trust it.

  21. Aw, crap. by tpstigers · · Score: 1

    I used it once.

  22. OwnCloud by MrNaz · · Score: 1

    OwnCloud. It's The Solution to this problem.

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    1. Re:OwnCloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not using any service that can suspend my access if I violate their stupid Community Code of Conduct.

    2. Re:OwnCloud by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I've just started using OwnCloud, but having such a large blob of PHP on a public-facing IP is slightly terrifying. In a jail it isn't too bad - at least it can't compromise the rest of the system - but I still wouldn't put anything in it that I'd worry to much about if it were compromised...

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    3. Re:OwnCloud by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      OwnCloud is open source software. You download it and install it on your server. What are you talking about?

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    4. Re:OwnCloud by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a fairly major project. There are a lot of very skilled developers, and it has commercial backing. If you're really, really paranoid and want to use it for something mission critical and highly sensitive, then don't expose it to the internet and access it via VPN only.

      All problems have a solution :)

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  23. Woz was right by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    Woz spoke last year about this - how you should have your data, on your device, in your hand.

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  24. OwnCloud by MrNaz · · Score: 2

    I cannot understand why there is such scant mention of OwnCloud in this thread. It is THE solution to the problem of needing Dropbox like functionality on a self-hosted server.

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  25. OwnCloud by MrNaz · · Score: 1

    It's fast, stable, mature and provides a boatload of the functionality you get from Dropbox and Google on a server that you host yourself. Get it, use it, love it.

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  26. Then use ssh by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Or telnet if you're desperate. Simple.

  27. Re:Linux fails it yet again! by qbast · · Score: 0

    Nurse! Patient calling himself 'anonymous coward' has complete break from reality again.

  28. Helpful Command to Remove Ubuntu One by mholve · · Score: 1

    Remove all the Ubuntu One stuff installed by default:

    apt-get remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone python-ubuntuone-client python-ubuntuone-control-panel python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol rhythmbox-ubuntuone ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client-data ubuntuone-control-panel ubuntuone-control-panel-qt

    And for good measure:

    apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores

  29. Re:Linux fails it yet again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much does M$ pay you to come to Slashdot?

  30. Never used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never used it. I'm not comfortable with anything 'in the cloud' so it doesn't matter whether their service was competing with something else or not, I just was not interested. So I won't miss it. I did buy a NAS box in the last 6 months (and I'd been looking at buying one for a long time), and it saved my hide just a month ago when a drive (500GB, 82% full) failed with (initially) 17 bad blocks, then 120 bad blocks the next day (when I ran ddrescue on it), and 643 bad blocks after finishing ddrescue. After that, I couldn't even format the thing. But the NAS was very useful.

  31. Cloud storage needs to be RAIDed by savuporo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To actually rest at ease in regards to my stored data, i want a solution that does redundant distribution of my data across 2 or more storage solutions - with something super cheap and slow like Amazon Glacier in the mix , with more than one paid service, and a physical backup of my own hard disks hooked to a local NAS box as well.
    And i want an option for self-hosting the front-end too.

    So if something like Ubuntu pulls the plug, gets too expensive, fucks up their client, i dont have to worry about migrating my data or changing my workflows.

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  32. From the cloud to the crowd by Art3x · · Score: 1

    I'm curious, or maybe just ignorant, why the open source community does not already have a mature, widespread file storage application that is peer to peer, like BitTorrent Sync. Maybe because peer to peer is so much harder than client-server. But I would have thought it would be further along by now, given our:

    - technical savvy
    - awareness of the importance of good back-ups
    - distrust of corporations and governments

    If we had a free file back-up service that was standard for Linux (or if there were two or three, for the sake of competition, but that at least each distro had one that it picked as its standard), then I think it would help Linux catch on as well as improve the sense of community: I'm helping host some of your data, you're hosting some of mine --- even though I have no idea what or whose it is because I have just a bunch of encrypted shards.

  33. To whose server? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Learn to use rsync over ssh.

    What's the server's hostname?

    1. Re:To whose server? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will assume you are not actually a developer, because if you are that is helmet level stupid.

    2. Re:To whose server? by tepples · · Score: 2

      I am a developer. Other users of Ubuntu One might not be. Please allow me to rephrase it more rigorously:

      A hosted file synchronization service lets the user synchronize files across computers without having to either A. lease a VPS or B. buy a low-power home server and upgrade the user's home Internet access plan to a plan that allows a publicly accessible home server.

    3. Re:To whose server? by postglock · · Score: 1

      FWIW I use a (very cheap) raspberry pi as my home server. A stock standard internet access plan does fine, although doesn't give me static IP. That's not a big deal, as I just run a cron job to email me when it changes.

  34. Powered-off or NATted machines by tepples · · Score: 1

    So how do you "transfers efficiently between your machines" if only one of said machines is turned on at once? Or if some of them are behind carrier-grade NAT and you aren't renting a VPS?

  35. backup.pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bot-cloud.net

  36. hi grandpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nc was made obsolete with shell network pipes years ago

  37. I created an online service... by Dareth · · Score: 1

    I created an online service to show everyone else what I chose to use:

    Because every time I choose something it dies a horrible death.

    My LS-120 Drive
    My barely Pre-HD Digital Camcorder

    So just don't choose what I choose and you will be fine.

    Oh and that service, yeah they closed that down to, so never mind.

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  38. prepaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NSA cloud is prepaid with international trade treaties and domestic income tax

  39. Clouds are made of Vaporware. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    Awe, damn. I had my free cloud hosting totally full too! I don't like or really use Ubuntu, but I have to test some of my cross platform software with it, but Ubuntu One seemed to be pretty good at what I used it for. I hope I don't lose access to my mirror of /dev/urandom. Whatever shall I do?

    I never trust the cloud services, especially not the free services. They are always destined to burn away under the bright rays of a profit-and-loss-statement sun.

  40. Writing on the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started suspecting Ubuntu One would hit hard times a while back. They weren't pushing it, weren't explanding the service and I was starting to worry it would go away. At the very least the fact the softwre had not been ported to other platforms worried me. At any rate, two months ago I set up an ownCloud server and moved all my files over to there. While ownCloud is not as slick and doesn't handle file conflicts as well as Ubuntu One, it does the job well enough and the software is under my control. Plus ownCloud is cross platform, and very flexible. I'm happy with the move.

  41. CGNAT; electric bill by tepples · · Score: 1

    Well, one of those things doesn't really happen anymore.

    Which one? Home Internet customers still get put on CGNAT, especially in countries without a large allocation of IPv4 addresses.

    And if only you could set your home computer to wake up

    Wake on LAN for every incoming packet would cause the computer to never suspend, leading to the next issue:

    or maybe even not to into suspend at all?

    Then you'd notice it on your electric bill the next month. Or would the cost of non-CGNAT Internet and a non-suspend power management policy still add up to less than the cost to lease space on Dropbox?

    1. Re:CGNAT; electric bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are all non-reasons.

    2. Re:CGNAT; electric bill by tepples · · Score: 1

      Please explain how each is a non-reason.

  42. IE 9 has Chakra JIT by tepples · · Score: 1

    No, I meant that Windows XP will leave support in a couple weeks, and all still-supported versions of Windows will have been offered an upgrade to IE 9 or later, which has a JavaScript JIT.

  43. List of sustainable revenue streams at Canonical: by Drunkulus · · Score: 1

    ... ... Spyware ...

  44. shame about the music by thelamecamel · · Score: 1

    I quite liked being able to buy albums, knowing that part of my purchase was going to support Ubuntu rather than apple. I wonder if sales fell off a cliff when they switched away from using a Rhythmbox plugin as an interface to buy music, and forced everyone to use a website that you have to log in to in order to BROWSE the music for sale. I guess sales were so low they couldn't justify paying even one business-and-tech-savvy person to make it successful.

  45. It's a pity by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2

    Oh For F***s Sake, not this S**t again! Serves me right for finally succumbing to the cloudy temptation.

    I refused to use any of the xxxxBoxes and AmazoGoogDrives that are so popular nowadays as I don't trust any of them. I held out until my wife installed "ubuntu one" on her phone last month and set it up so that whenever she took a picture on her phone the photo immediately appeared on my computer. Within a few days, my whole family started using it on their phones and computers.

    Our mothers-in-law religiously check the albums on one.ubuntu.com every night too see all the new pictures of their grandchildren and now this! Never, I say, NEVER will I put my trust in these EEEEeeeeeevil clouds again!

  46. Too bad! by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    It's a shame, as Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is almost out and I was ready to give a try. I know a few people using 12.04, it dumbs you down and encourages a browser-only use (due to difficulty of finding any but the most basic installed apps), but is decent when used in that role.

    Ubuntu One was maybe a good fit (and usable on other platforms too) and especially, I have no trust in other "cloud" stuff. I don't want google or microsoft stuff, and as for dropbox I don't know who they are, what laws they obey, who they give access to your files to (NSA? Law enforcement? Dictatorships?). I thought I would try Ubuntu One one day.. It's not stuff that should go out, right?, Ubuntu has been out there for about a decade, and Long Term Support meant everything is alright till april 2017? Well, no.

  47. CGNAT, server bans, and geekiness by tepples · · Score: 1

    A stock standard internet access plan does fine, although doesn't give me static IP.

    That depends on what country you live in. In some countries, apparently including yours, it's standard practice for home ISPs to give dynamic IPv4 addresses that are globally routable. In other countries, especially those late to widespread Internet deployment, it's common for home ISPs to use carrier-grade network address translation, in which the ISP's customers have IP addresses in 100.64/10, and the infrastructure translates those to a far smaller pool of IPv4 addresses at the border.

    Even if your ISP happens not to put all customers behind a CGNAT, there can still be problems. Many ISPs forbid publicly visible servers in their terms of service for home customers, with varying level of enforcement, reportedly up through kicking the customer without refund and banning the customer from signing up again for years. Once both the local cable ISP and the local fiber or DSL ISP have kicked a customer, the customer is back to dial-up. A lot of home users would rather lease hosted storage than pay extra for business-class service at home. Another is that not all home users are willing to learn how to administer a Raspberry Pi server or how to punch a hole through a home NAT. You and I and most Slashdot regulars are exceptions.

    1. Re:CGNAT, server bans, and geekiness by postglock · · Score: 1

      Good points. I'm from Australia, and AFAIK we don't tend to use CGNAT. (Is that common in the US?)

      Also, I'm not sure if they'd consider a private home server to be a "publicly visible" servers. Probably, if they can charge you business-plan rates instead.

      With all the NSA revelations, I have a prediction that one day we'll be able to buy pre-built Pi-esqe home servers to use as an email server, cloud storage, etc., in a bid to totally de-centralise it all. Or maybe people just won't care, like most do now. :/

    2. Re:CGNAT, server bans, and geekiness by tepples · · Score: 1

      In the United States, CGNAT is most common on wireless networks (such as cellular). But with IANA having doled out its last /8, ISPs in some countries that were late in setting up Internet infrastructure have implemented CGNAT for wired home customers. Several years ago, Wikipedia caused a shitstorm when it blocked editing from a single IP address that ended up representing all of Qatar. Other countries where CGNAT has become common reportedly include Russia (citation needed).

  48. Pardon the spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're helping migrate U1 users to any other storage provider for free. Since most of our infrastructure at Mover is running Ubuntu we think this is a great way to give back to the community and market ourselves at the same time. Hopefully this helps any Slashdot U1 users: https://blog.mover.io/2014/04/15/rescuing-ubuntu-one/