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US Navy Develops World's Worst E-reader

First time accepted submitter Dimetrodon (2714071) writes "It is an unspoken rule of military procurement that any IT or communications technology will invariably be years behind what is commercially available or technically hobbled to ensure security. One case in point is the uncomfortably backronymed NeRD, or Navy e-Reader Device, an electronic book so secure the 300 titles it holds can never be updated. Ever."

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  1. In the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    security > usability

    No sir, that's just my Kindle. I didn't load classified files on to it, I swear!

    What? Our secret base was compromised because Private Biff's iPad, which tracked everywhere we went, was stolen by a hooker at the last port?

    1. Re:In the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm just shocked to learn that squids can read.

    2. Re:In the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loose cannon!

    3. Re:In the navy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      agreed, this is a new device that meets the unique needs of a military nuclear submarine (the target environment). Plenty of things to rag on the military about, but I don't think this is one of them. BTW the summary would be better if it included a link to more information to the actual product:LINK

    4. Re:In the navy by Shoten · · Score: 4, Informative

      security > usability

      No sir, that's just my Kindle. I didn't load classified files on to it, I swear!

      What? Our secret base was compromised because Private Biff's iPad, which tracked everywhere we went, was stolen by a hooker at the last port?

      Actually, on a nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed vessel with the ability to start World War III, I would argue that for the purposes of recreational reading, security is more important than usability. Consider the failure modes of usability for an e-reader meant for recreation. Now consider the failure mode of security on a nuclear missile submarine.

      I've tried to think of a way to make it updatable...including strong crypto that you'd need a keyloader to manage, so that only trusted devices could update or manage content on the readers. But ultimately, I couldn't find a way to make it so that the device wouldn't have to be considered a controlled asset...and that's essentially the situation they're trying to avoid in the first place. The sub is basically a gigantic SCIF, so if there's any doubt at all as to the device's capability for carrying data out of the environment, it becomes a lot harder to manage. And the OP speaks to it in terms of comparison to an e-reader like we'd have out in the open world; that's not what this is meant to be. It's meant to make it possible for sailors on the boat to have more books than they are used to having. It's a step forward.

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    5. Re:In the navy by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Unbreakable? LOL. There are some folks over at the NSA that are spitting up their coffee.

    6. Re:In the navy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      who said unbreakable? but it's pretty secure in my opinion if it lacks the following capabilities: can't load files on to it, can't load files off of it, can't connect to a computer, doesn't have a microphone, doesn't have camera, doesn't have keyboard.

    7. Re:In the navy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Insightful

      honestly, no big deal if you can't update it. every 6 months just send out new updated ones. You can collect the old ones for reuse / refurbishment.

    8. Re:In the navy by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Finally, this generation will have something to buy at Military Surplus stores.

    9. Re:In the navy by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      These are also going into the ship's libraries. This saves a lot of space compared to having the same 300 books places on a cramped ship. So you don't get to choose the titles, but that's just like most libraries.

    10. Re:In the navy by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 1
      My problem is not that it can't be updated or transmit in any way.

      My problem is that it only has 300 books!!! Seriously, how frigging hard is it to put 3000+ books in there. Put the whole damn gutenberg project on it! there is no reason not to have a huge library of books. Shakespeare has 36 plays all by himself, Twain has over 20, Doyle has over 20, Dickens about 20, and those are just off the top of my head.

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    11. Re:In the navy by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but only 300 books? As was said previously, why not include the entire Gutenberg project. The entire thing will fit on one DVD, though I don't think a CD would hold it. And DVDs don't need to be writeable....though putting them on an internal hard disk would make more sense.

      So given the purpose it could run a really stripped down Linux or BSD that didn't have any networking tools (and not network or USB, etc., ports on the device) or development tools or...well, basically nothing that wasn't required to support the built in stripped down html reader (unless you want to convert the files to pdfs). Have it boot up to the browser at an index page and you don't even need a file browser. No keyboard or muse needed. since you configure things for touch screen input.

      I'm proposing pretty much the same device, just with a much larger library. And it would be pretty trivial to make. (Well, relatively trivial.) Changing the library in any way would require exchanging the hard disk, but a library of a couple of TB would be trivial.

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    12. Re:In the navy by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Why should they? It's not the USN's responsibility to find another country's lost plane. Instead of wasting money on that, the US government could be spending it to help THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

      The plane was a US-manufactured Boeing. Finding it and understanding the reason it crashed is in the interest of the US.

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    13. Re:In the navy by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      Not that I know anything at all about this specific eReader, but I do know that the military in general tends to prefer old, proven technology for electronics. That's because they can assess the reliability of stuff that has been around a while. Newer stuff is probably better/more capable, cheaper. But you'd prefer not to find out that x component is an exception in a situation where replacing x component is going to be impossible.. On top of that, they tend to prefer stuff that is known to work in gawdawful environments -- high or low humidity, high or low temperature, lots of salt water, etc. Bottom line: the rom in these things is probably old and small capacity.

      Note, for example, that the kid's iPad failed when onlookers were dousing runners with water during a marathon on a dreadfully hot and humid day. Doesn't mean the iPad is a poorly designed box. But it would not be the kind of box the military would prefer.

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    14. Re:In the navy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      They probably are bottlenecked by the approval process. I imagine someone going through all the books beforehand to make sure they don't contain any anti-American themes or elements that could demoralise the crew.

    15. Re:In the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some folks over at the NSA that are spitting up their coffee.

      That's one way to break devices.

    16. Re:In the navy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Easy. Don't bother to secure it. Just make it harmless.

      Screen. Five button keypad. SD card slot. So what if some attacker manages to root it? They can't do a thing from there: No radio interface to report back, no USB to compromise connected devices, no microphone or camera for spying. The worst you can do is find out what the crew are reading, with no way to report it back. Maybe you could imply their schedules a little. The very worst a compromised device could do is write some sort of virus to an SD card - which isn't going near any secure systems anyway.

    17. Re:In the navy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      With half-decent compression, it'll easily fit in flash. No, I think this is more of a paperwork issue: I imagine there is an approvals process that every book must go through first, where a few officers have to submit a consensus that the book is not detrimental to morale or portrays America in a negative fashion.

    18. Re:In the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Security is not that difficult for a device that is airgapped and has no external ports or radio.

    19. Re: In the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the 70 books of the Bible. I'm sure they've got that on on there to keep the Bible thumpers in the military happy

    20. Re:In the navy by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Shakespeare has 36 plays all by himself, Twain has over 20, Doyle has over 20, Dickens about 20, and those are just off the top of my head.

      I didn't realize that Twain, Doyle, or Dickens were such prolific playwrights.

    21. Re:In the navy by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      The 300 titles were selected from over 100K already approved titles in the Navy's general digital library.

      OTOH, collections are curated - from the BBC article:

      "[There will be] five per submarine, with a total of 355 for the submarine force. Eventually, we will send NeRDs to all vessels in the active fleet - it will take time as each collection will be tailored for specific audiences," Ms Moffitt told the BBC.

    22. Re:In the navy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Why do they even need to tailor it?

      100K titles. It's about 1MB for a largeish novel. That's 100GB - but text compresses wonderfully, a 4:1 ratio is easily achieveable. That's 25GB... and flash is cheap, a 32GB onboard flash is easily affordable. So technologically it'd be easy to put the entire library on every device.

    23. Re:In the navy by RuaisLampSilog · · Score: 1

      Might it be the other way around? Could it be that the issue is the vessel being able to start World War III?

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    24. Re:In the navy by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Let me introduce my assistant, Pandora. Her loving hands can get into anything.

    25. Re:In the navy by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      I'm just shocked to learn that squids can read.

      Yeah!!! Well... Jarheads are great, everyone should have one tied up in their back yard to protect their house!

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  2. There's a reason books can't be updated by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not like they "forgot" that users might want to add new books, the inability of any updatable storage was a design requirement to prevent it from being used for espionage or as a channel to inadvertently bring malware aboard a ship.

    This is to prevent it being used to smuggle secret military data ashore, take illicit photos, introduce computer malware or record covert conversations.

    Though it seems that there are so many ways for a person to smuggle a MicroSD card into a secure area that an eReader is probably not a huge concern.

    1. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Getting data onto that MicroSD card would be an issue.

      The main reasons for the lockdown on the device is stray EM emissions which can give away a ships position - and that includes peripherals, so no ports. I have no doubt that its cheaper to replace the readers with new ones every year than it is to build in a way to securely updateable.

    2. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Heh. This summary strikes me as an example of consumers applying their needs to other industries. Here we have a device that is built for a specific but niche use case. Some people are reacting with the idea that as average consumers it does not meet their needs very well therefor it is useless or inferior.

    3. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Though it seems that there are so many ways for a person to smuggle a MicroSD card into a secure area that an eReader is probably not a huge concern.

      I'd think it would be more of an issue with someone potentially editing or replacing the books, changing vital details in operation manuals. If you cannot change the books, at least you know exactly what they contain.

    4. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      You have no idea what the EM restrictions are like on a submarine.

    5. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Zordak · · Score: 2

      I actually thought the same thing, but according to the article, these aren't full of manuals. They've got 300 popular books and literary classics. It's a lightweight, standardized, secure library for sailors who are bored and want to read. While this would be a terrible consumer device, I think it makes sense for the use case. If you're deployed on a ship for six months, having 300 books to choose from is a lot better than having zero books to choose from.

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    6. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Though it seems that there are so many ways for a person to smuggle a MicroSD card into a secure area that an eReader is probably not a huge concern.

      How much experience do you have in securing high-value military devices and how much knowledge dop you have about the reasons for securing such devices?

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      None and none, you say? Gee, I would have never known that from your comment.

    7. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Minderbinder106 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I do and I know sailors bring their laptops, phones and Kindles on board.

    8. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Especially in the case of a sub, where space is tight, EM restrictions are tight, and they can stay down for 6 months at a time of (largely) boredom. Seriously, most of the crew has nothing to do most of the time unless something goes really wrong; they spend a lot of time thinking up ways to play practical jokes on each other.

    9. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      So it's updated about exactly as often as a shipboard library would be in the first place. And probably contains more titles... I don't see Navy ships dedicating a lot of space to libraries.

    10. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Minderbinder106 · · Score: 1

      If you're deployed for six months and you like to read you've brought your own e-reader loaded with books you want to read with you.

    11. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jcochran · · Score: 4, Interesting

      EM emissions in what is effectively a huge Faraday cage? I don't think so.
      The ebook lockdown is intended to prevent ex-filtration of security information. I'm rather surprised at the rather restricted number of titles they provide. And it seems that they could have designed it to permit updating of the contents while on shore. Say perhaps with a special loader that cryptographically signs the new content and the actual data transmission path being near field interactions. If such devices were only available at shore bases, it would be cumbersome, but would still allow for the updating of contents while preserving the security aspects of the readers.

    12. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Old+Fatty+Baldman · · Score: 0

      I've always thought it was admirable how the cell phone towers at the airport can handle 200 people turning on their cell phones simultaneously when the plane lands. I can see how it would be less than desirable to have 5000 GSM and WiFi enabled devices transmitting aboard your aircraft carrier.

    13. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Really? In a giant, grounded Faraday cage? Maybe for sonic, infrasonic and ultrasonic frequencies, but RF doesn't travel much in water.

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    14. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      I don't see Navy ships dedicating a lot of space to libraries.

      A long time ago, I was on a submarine. We had a ship's library. It fit into a locker that was slightly smaller than a typical file cabinet drawer.

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    15. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      If you're deployed for six months and you like to read you've brought your own e-reader loaded with books you want to read with you.

      Or not... Or your e-reader can go berserk, borken or otherwise unusable. Shit happens. Having 300 books around is *much* better than nothing.

    16. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      It travels far enough.

    17. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I think people are actually reacting with skepticism based on a long history of huge military orders which clearly are not the best value for taxpayer dollar.

    18. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      read again.

      it's a fucking unconnected kindle. there's zero practical reason why it couldn't update the books that were on it. if the makers had any fucking sense they would have included a loader machine on the ship with 30 000 titles the sailors could pick and choose books from...

      but hey, now they can sell another edition next year.

      yes, there would be zero fucking security viability in this, except maybe if you count it as a risk that the extended library would have "objectionable content". it is just an ereader for entertainment/education purposes! all it needs to adhere to is some emission requirements and that's it.

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    19. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Well, it looks like either you are well put of date, or those sailors are flouting the rules...

      "At this time only submarines will receive devices," explained Nellie Moffitt, manager of the Navy General Library Program.

      "[There will be] five per submarine, with a total of 355 for the submarine force. Eventually, we will send NeRDs to all vessels in the active fleet - it will take time as each collection will be tailored for specific audiences," Ms Moffitt told the BBC.

      Traditional e-readers are not permitted on many Navy vessels as their GPS, wi-fi and roaming data features can give away their position to the enemy.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech...

    20. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jythie · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, people usually take pundit's words for something not being a 'good value'.

    21. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Funny

      For the same of variety, I'm hoping they didn't stock a lot of large print books...

    22. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Sure, if you're towing an antenna capable of sending a buttload of power with a wavelength measured between 10 and 100 kilometers...

      Those high frequency emissions that any consumer digital device would emit (even when being tortured with a car battery) aren't going to make it very far with any appreciable strength.

      You'd be better off trying to detect the sub by looking for magnetic flux disturbances (eg large conductive object moving within the earth's magnetic field) - they mount them to helicopters.

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    23. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nellie Moffitt is a clueless person who shouldn't be quoted on technical manners.

      "their GPS ... can give away their position to the enemy"

      A GPS receiver in a traditional e-reader (ARE there any traditional e-readers with a GPS?) can't give away your position on a sub because:
      1) A GPS receiver is only a receiver
      2) It doesn't know your position because it is in a metal tube 100's of feet below the water.

    24. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is frankly untrue. Saltwater is so terrible to transmit through that the US resorts to stuff like using the earth as an antenna just to communicate. Every government in the world wishes it were that easy to transmit through water. If you have found out otherwise, you have a very good job waiting for you in engineering coms.

    25. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It travels no where near "far enough" to be detected

      Figure 1 illustrates attenuation as a function of frequency for sea water and Adelaide water. Attenuation in sea water is
      very high and to communicate at any depth at all, it is necessary to use very low frequencies (10 to 30 kHz) where
      attenuation is in the order of 3.5 to 5 dB per metre. Operation in the lowest frequency amateur band (1.8 MHz) is out of
      the question at 46 dB per metre

      That's 46dB/m not accounting for the very thick metal tube all those people and electronics are encased in.

      e-Readers put out very little power, if they have antennas they are very short and are very inefficient at anything but short wavelengths

    26. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Nellie Moffitt is a clueless person who shouldn't be quoted on technical manners.

      "their GPS ... can give away their position to the enemy"

      A GPS receiver in a traditional e-reader (ARE there any traditional e-readers with a GPS?) can't give away your position on a sub because:
      1) A GPS receiver is only a receiver
      2) It doesn't know your position because it is in a metal tube 100's of feet below the water.

      A GPS receiver is going to contain an oscillator. Oscillators radiate.

    27. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      While I agree that it is highly improbable I am not so confident of this assertion to risk a $3 billion sub and 130 lives.

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    28. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      I would guess that many of the e-books on the reader are rules, manuals and procedures for current military hardware and practices which are unlikely to change in the next few years. The military does not like change for the sake of simplicity and reliability. I imagine the e-reader with its fixed documents will fit right in.

    29. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      EM emissions in what is effectively a huge Faraday cage? I don't think so.

      You may not think so, but you'd be wrong. There's a variety of cable and piping penetrations that can and do allow EM energy to radiate. Not to mention that the energy doesn't just disappear when it hits the hull, the hull can be excited and re-radiate. (A real world Faraday cage is much more complicated than Mythbusters or urban legends might lead you to believe.)

      On my boat, special measures had to be taken to ensure certain equipment couldn't be detected off hull.

    30. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Nellie Moffitt is a clueless person who shouldn't be quoted on technical manners.

      "their GPS ... can give away their position to the enemy"

      A GPS receiver in a traditional e-reader (ARE there any traditional e-readers with a GPS?) can't give away your position on a sub because:
      1) A GPS receiver is only a receiver
      2) It doesn't know your position because it is in a metal tube 100's of feet below the water.

      Kindle fire? B&N Nook? Yep both of those "e-readers" have GPS. And you know submarines occasionally do spent time at the surface, where their whereabouts are still a good thing to keep secret? Clearly instead of a more detailed policy they simply exclude any device that might resemble one with such capabilities, as a safeguard.

    31. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you are missing the point. E-readers, tablets, etc might log the GPS positioning of the crew while at sea, and in ports, etc. If the device were to be compromised and the information could prove invaluable later to other governments in understanding the movements of a submarine. The US could be put in a position where it could not deny the position of a sub later, etc.

      Somethings may seem unlikely, but other governments, including the Chinese will take ANY opportunity for intel. etc. Lots of unlikely things were done in the cold war and both world wars to gain an edge over the other-side.(Including exploding bats(the flying sort).

    32. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      I think people are actually reacting with skepticism based on a long history of huge military orders which clearly are not the best value for taxpayer dollar.

      Why the fuck should we start now? $2B for a bomber whose primary capability is nuking vast portions of a continent is a poor "Value" according to many, many taxpayers yet there are a few dozen of those things and we don't have slashdot discussions on it. An e-reader that they are procuring a few hundred of? This surely is not the low hanging fruit when it comes to wasted money.

    33. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are theoretical limits to how far you can detect EM. There are also other things than consumer grade devices that emits them.

      This is the equivalent of a chain-smoking pregnant mom complaining about the possibility that GM-food would give the fetus cancer.

    34. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by sjames · · Score: 1

      For one, it's meant to be shared by the crew, not a personal device. There will be a lot less arguments over what to load, accidental or 'accidental' erasures of other people's books, etc if it is a fixed device. It has what it has, no room to argue.

    35. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nellie Moffitt is a clueless person who shouldn't be quoted on technical manners.

      RTFA, Nellie Moffitt is not a clueless person, and was not quoted on technical matters (not manners). Is the reporter a clueless person, or perhaps did the reporter talk to a clueless person on background? Quite possibly. But don't go saying someone's an idiot without knowing what you're talking about.

    36. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by bluegutang · · Score: 1, Insightful

      EM emissions can get out of a Faraday cage. Just not in.

    37. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EM emissions in what is effectively a huge Faraday cage?

      You know ships have decks, right?

    38. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      I would guess that many of the e-books on the reader are rules, manuals and procedures for current military hardware and practices which are unlikely to change in the next few years.

      Clearly you followed /. tradition and did not RTFA, since it makes no mention of non-fiction. t appears that these e-readers are simply a method to provide a library of fiction to keep the sailors entertained.

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    39. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      If you're deployed on a ship for six months, having 300 books to choose from is a lot better than having zero books to choose from.

      Not only can you carry your own books onboard... the Navy has had a library service, which provides books to ships and maintains libraries on base, for decades (at least as far back as WWII AFAIK). This reader is a (piss poor IMO) supplement/replacement for the latter.

      Heck, even my submarine (designed and built in the early 60's) had a library space provided. It wasn't much more than a large closet, and it was often in use for meetings, training, and as an ad hoc office space... but we had one. (We also kept the one white-box PC clone that Squadron bought and provided each boat (in 1985) in the library. Being the Ships Computer Petty Officer and in charge of that computer* was my first ever 'IT' job.) The Ship's Librarian was a buddy of mine, so I got first crack at newly arrived books. That's how I discovered Douglas Hofstadter back in the mid 80's - a copy of Metamagical Themas was in the box of books we were unpacking one refit.

      *Somebody had to keep track of the boot and program disks and track down the Doc when he absent mindedly took them back to his office again.

    40. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Zordak · · Score: 1

      If you're deployed for six months and you like to read you've brought your own e-reader loaded with books you want to read with you.

      Unless you're not allowed to, in which case, this device is the difference between living in Hell for six months and living in relative contentedness for six months.

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    41. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      $2B dollars actually is pretty good for that kind of force projection, delivering a couple cruise missiles beyond air defense can decide a war.

      $1.1 trillion for a fighter program that hasn't been delivered yet and actually might not ever is rather different. The B-2 has a big bottom-line number but the development and maintenance programs are really where we get taken to the cleaners. You should smell a rat the moment you see the word "affordable" in a military mission patch.

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    42. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      They've got 300 popular books and literary classics. It's a lightweight, standardized, secure library for sailors who are bored and want to read. While this would be a terrible consumer device, I think it makes sense for the use case. If you're deployed on a ship for six months, having 300 books to choose from is a lot better than having zero books to choose from.

      It's terrible for the use case.

      The average size of an eBook in my collection is 1.1MB. The basic Kindle has 1.25GB of available storage. That means it can hold 1,100 books (Amazon claims 1,400). A Kindle is generally used by one person, so that's a huge amount of storage, but if you are sharing among 30 other people (about 150 crew on a US submarine), it makes a lot more sense.

      So, why does this e-reader for the Navy hold only 300 books, when over 108,000 are available to sailors (as eBooks) when they are on shore? Fill it up with storage and put a couple thousand books on it.

    43. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While I agree that it is highly improbable I am not so confident of this assertion to risk a $3 billion sub and 130 lives.

      Understanding physics, which the people in the submarine are trusting their lives to already, I would have no problem asserting such a statement. That said, if there is a regulation prohibiting small electronic devices, I'm sure there are many good reasons for it. Without knowing more details, it is impossible to speculate.

    44. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, but does the book survive EMP and moderate radiation? An eternally burned, corruption free and sufficiently robust e-book is quite perfect space saver in limited naval environments. It's good to be water and blood tight, over there. And it should be able to be used as a weapon, just in case a pen or a toothbrush is not available. :)

    45. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had a second gen Sony reader (not the libre, the one right after, the PRS-500). No GPS, No Wifi, No Data, you plugged it into a computer, transfered files to internal storage (or copied to an SD and plopped it in there. Why re-invent the wheel, why not have Sony (or similar American company) whip out a batch of these (or pick them up on ebay) and disable the SD Card. Now you have eReaders that are updatable and no threat.

    46. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Submarines surface time to time, and cabling or pipes leading from the inside to the outside can defeat any Faraday cage like effect, especially with all of the stuff in the mast. Consumer devices can and have malfunctioned in ways to dump noticeable power into various RF bands, including showing up as emergency locater beacons. That said, it is very rare to happen, and any consumer devices sailors are allowed to bring with them could do so, along with other equipment on the ship or submarine that has a lot more power to potentially leak.

    47. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. If you look at it from the government/classified use case or even just the use case of having to use something where you don't have a cell signal and you don't have WiFi, then most consumer devices are completely useless toys. The problem does end up that with the rapid development that you get in the consumer off the shelf mass market world you do end up with a lot of core functionality that would be applicable to military grade hardware if only they could integrate it fast enough.

    48. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EM emissions in what is effectively a huge Faraday cage? I don't think so.

      Objects on top of a Faraday cage do not have EM shielding; so it would have to be inside the hull at all times, not on deck.

    49. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      It's broadcasting EM spectrum and that can be used to lock on to the sub's location. They're not saying the device is being hacked to cough up its GPS location, they're saying that the device is spewing EM radiation that gives away the ship's location.

    50. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that every person on the sub has a camera phone in their pocket pretty much obviates that issue. Yes, everyone has a camera phone in their pocket. No, they are not supposed to have camera phones on the ship.
      Source: When I lived on a US Navy nuclear submarine, I had a camera phone in my pocket every day. Some of the particularly gung-ho chiefs and officers would actually go out of their way to buy ancient flip-phones without cameras, but the other 95% of the ship didn't care.

    51. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Not all Nooks or Kindles have GPS, only the more general-purpose ones. The simple eReaders do not.

      They do have wifi, and that is something Moffitt doesn't like. Still seems like it might be cheaper to build one without wifi but with the computer connection.

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    52. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Those aren't "traditional" e-readers in the sense of having an eInk display. Both are LCD based tablets with Android.

    53. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Sentrion · · Score: 2

      And don't forget the screen doors. The EM emissions just pass through like water through a sieve.

    54. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's odd. Seems to me there was a technology already in existence that would let people read books that also were not capable of being used to smuggle secret military data ashore, take illicit photos, introduce malware, or record covert conversations. You updated them by adding more of them. There were these stores you could go to to download them into a tote bag or backpack, or... I think they had special purpose carriers for these things called book bags, as I recall...

      Let me see. What were these books called... what was that name... it rhymed with "nook," I remember that much. Cook? No, that wasn't it...

      Damn, I can't recall the name. But they were water resistant, I remember that. I mean, if you dropped one in a bucket of water, it would damage the media, but if you let it dry, it was still mostly readable afterward, it just made the media stiff and crinkly, like wetted paper. Oh, man, this is just going to drive me nuts. What were they called? Hooks? No... Looks? No... not that either. Rooks? No.

      Damn! What was that kind of book called?!?

    55. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but now the device would cost $1M each and the system would require $200M/year to operate, as opposed to the $50K price tag on these dumb units.

      Ok, so I'm pulling numbers out of my ass, but you get the point.

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    56. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know those vans were never real, right?

    57. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by profplump · · Score: 1

      If you can't smuggle data in a book, you're doing it wrong.

      You might also recall that submarines are not known for their spacious interiors.

      Good luck with your sticky, stiff, wet books.

    58. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Fishchip · · Score: 1

      I can't fathom how it's supposed to be easier and sneakier to dump secret material onto a personal ereader than jamming a USB stick into the computer.

    59. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by HiThere · · Score: 1

      How can they log positions when inside a sealed metal tube? That requires an inertial compass.

      That said, I agree that it makes sense to avoid the risk, even though it's extremely small. But only 300 books? That appears insane. Somebody must have decided that storage was limited, so the book collection should be limited...and not bothered to check what the reasonable limits were.

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    60. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by HiThere · · Score: 1

      They *could* have been.

      More to the poiint, though, they could report the location of the device to people who were not authorized to receive that information.

      But this is truely trivial. The signals would be difficult to detect, and wouldn't work while the GPS was inside the sub. And such capabilities would be easy to disable, so they aren't grounds for a specialized device.

      That said, it makes sense to have the specialized device. What doesn't make sense is limiting the library to 300 books. Limit it to, say 2TB of books, unless... Are the books being stored in a ROM? I was envisioning using a built in hard disk.

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    61. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If it's inside the sub and not hooked up to an antenna, then it's NOT broadcasting EM outside the sub...unless the hatches are open, and then not significantly unless it's taken out of the sub.

      It's reasonable to avoid the problem when you're building a specialized device, but it's not worth losing sleep over if you aren't.

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    62. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by HiThere · · Score: 1

      A regulation against private non-standardized electronics makes a lot of sense. Worrying about GPS in a sub doesn't. Private electronics can be used to record all sorts of information for later transmission. Wanting to avoid that risk is reasonable.

      OTOH, it appears that this is intended to eventually be used outside of submarines, at with point GPS might be a reasonable concern.

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    63. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If you take a 12 volt battery and convert it's entire output to white noise EM, the signal strength at any particular wavelength will be too low to measure. And that's before any attenuation. (I'm not even considering how few watts would be carried by the signal...)

      Perhaps if you plugged the device into the sub's power supply, and hooked it up to a honking big power supply...even so I have my doubts. And if you did that your IC device wouldn't last more than a couple of seconds. A spark-gap transmitter would be easier. You could even send morse code over it. But you still wouldn't get much range, and all the signal crew on board would know what was happening.

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    64. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      if there is a regulation prohibiting small electronic devices, I'm sure there are many good reasons for it.

      You only need one: risk of fire when things go pear-shaped. Small electronic devices tend to have their own batteries. But there's security issues as well. You don't want to risk sabotage or espionage and you don't want to screen personal devices so you simply ban them.

      Without knowing more details, it is impossible to speculate.

      You must be new here.

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    65. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to my microwave.

    66. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The community modded this dipshit insightful. Though, I'm sure he was joking. Probably not a dipshit. But everyone that modded him is a dipshit.

    67. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by dnavid · · Score: 1

      Nellie Moffitt is a clueless person who shouldn't be quoted on technical manners.

      "their GPS ... can give away their position to the enemy"

      A GPS receiver in a traditional e-reader (ARE there any traditional e-readers with a GPS?) can't give away your position on a sub because: 1) A GPS receiver is only a receiver 2) It doesn't know your position because it is in a metal tube 100's of feet below the water.

      Kindle fire? B&N Nook? Yep both of those "e-readers" have GPS. And you know submarines occasionally do spent time at the surface, where their whereabouts are still a good thing to keep secret? Clearly instead of a more detailed policy they simply exclude any device that might resemble one with such capabilities, as a safeguard.

      Its not just current positions that are potentially useful to an enemy, its also historical positioning. An e-reader that managed to get a GPS fix and record that position in memory could eventually be lost or stolen, and positional data points retrieved. While an e-reader cannot get a GPS fix in a submarine while underwater under normal conditions, the many possible ways it could accidentally be exposed to GPS signals are such that its not worth the risk to guard against them all. And on surface ships the chance that a general purpose e-reader could collect and store that information is far too high to risk using them aboard active duty warships.

    68. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I would guess that many of the e-books on the reader are rules, manuals and procedures for current military hardware and practices which are unlikely to change in the next few years.

      Clearly you followed /. tradition and did not RTFA, since it makes no mention of non-fiction. t appears that these e-readers are simply a method to provide a library of fiction to keep the sailors entertained.

      And, in fact, putting any military documents on them would be risky if there was any chance whatsoever that they could be removed from the vessel.

      With an e-reader, you'd not just be smuggling out sensitive manuals, you'd be able to smuggle out an entire library. And in something small enough to fit in many pockets.

    69. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Radio doesn't go through water. It's actually a serious problem for submarines. They can't communicate while submerged. The solution is an antenna on a float and a long wire they can let rise to the surface. They do have ELF radio, which can penetrate water through a combination of low frequency and sheer force of transmission power, but the bandwidth is so low it's limited to basic text messages - usually of the form 'pop up your antenna so we can talk properly.'

    70. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Caveats apply. EM that hits a faraday cage is essentially 'skin-effect'ed around the cage. The same thing happens to an internal transmitter. In each case, the EM will radiate about the cage until it's eaten up by losses in the cage (including retransmission by a horribly tuned antenna that is the cage) or shunted to ground. A faraday cage is most effective (i.e. in/out prevention) when properly grounded.

    71. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I think a more likely explanation is that there is some sort of approval process, and whichever committee needs to approve the books only had time to skim and rubber-stamp three hundred.

    72. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow I think they created the opposite. How hard would it be to make a clone/copy of this thing that has the same functionality but has added abilities of recording and updating in hidden menus? GPS tracking? Explosive device?

      Security Checkpoint: What is that in your luggage?
      Sailor: a NeRD
      Security Checkpoint: Oh, OK those are safe, go on through.

    73. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      I don't know. The arguments are strong.
      There is no way that a normal e-reader is going to be approved. The damn things give way to many hints as to the location of the ship.
      However, sailors like to read as much as the next man. Paper books cost a lot of space so you prefer not to have those on board.
      So you'll have to design a specific, crippled e-reader anyway. Why not make it as safe as possible?
      Ok, it should include far more books (say, the top 1000 sold books at the moment + the Gutenberg library (including the Koran)+ of course the anarchists cookbook :P) but the non-updatable feature is not strange IMHO. It's overly safe, perhaps, but who wants to take risks with the location of a ship in the fleet? A ship is prime ter'rist target if you ask me!

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    74. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      EM emissions in what is effectively a huge Faraday cage? I don't think so.

      Faraday cages don't just switch off EM fields; they only attenuate them AND they have different responses to different frequencies.

      If you have a sensitive enough detector, enough power, or a weak enough cage, you can detect transmissions though the cage.

      You should restrain yourself from over-confidently sounding off on topics that you are not an expert on, less you propagate your ignorance to others.

    75. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Those aren't "traditional" e-readers in the sense of having an eInk display. Both are LCD based tablets with Android.

      So the requirement is what? "you can have an e-reader as long as it has an e-ink display and doesn't run android" ? Hell no, "no e-readers" is what gets mandated.

    76. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by jakimfett · · Score: 1

      This here is the point that most of the "waaa, gps is receive only, not a threat, Moffitt is clueless, waaa!" crowd misses. In a situation requiring strict operational security, anything that stores your location in a potentially retrievable manner is controlled

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    77. Re:There's a reason books can't be updated by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      ... But only 300 books? That appears insane. Somebody must have decided that storage was limited, so the book collection should be limited...and not bothered to check what the reasonable limits were.

      Those are not the EPROMs that you are thinking of. The storage is probably much less than you think.

  3. Only three hundred titles? by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assuming that all the books are in the MOBI or EPUB formats, which are quite compact, one can only assume that the designers really skimped on memory. My Kindle has hundreds more books with plenty of room left. And as this is a technology made to a military contract, one can assume that this device inferior to off-the-shelf consumer items costs much more than them.

    1. Re:Only three hundred titles? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Or one can assume that 300 titles in the space on one is all they really needed, and that more frequently used manuals will be stored physically.

      Or instead of assuming you are smarter that everyone in the procurement process, you could read more and assume less.

    2. Re:Only three hundred titles? by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      Read the article. The book isn't just for manuals, it also has plenty of reading for pleasure material. If one wants to offer a good representation of both the English canon and contemporary publications, one very quickly exceeds 300 titles.

      However, the other reply to my comment which states that some of the manuals may be unusually large, may explain the small amount of titles on this device.

    3. Re:Only three hundred titles? by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      RTFA! It's not used for storing manuals.

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    4. Re:Only three hundred titles? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that should have read "The ebook reader isn't just for manuals".

    5. Re:Only three hundred titles? by tippe · · Score: 1

      Maybe they only wanted to use American made components, and the largest memory they could find was an old stockpile of 128K DIP-style flash made back in the 80's.

      I jest, I jest...

      I know that flash memory is still being made in the US (by Intel and maybe others), but seriously, it must be getting pretty damn hard to make any military gear that uses US-only components...

    6. Re:Only three hundred titles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can imagine that they didn't use comsumer grade memory that would be writable if you tinker with the hardware. It may be custom-made hardware-level ROM that can't be changed after manufacture and thus doesn't give you the integration density of consumer grade, because memory like that is not needed in the density we are used to.

    7. Re:Only three hundred titles? by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Or they loaded up a bunch of public domain titles, instead of spending tax payer money on titles that they had no idea would appeal to any of the readers.

      I'm sure the military is capable enough to put more than 64MB of memory on a device.

    8. Re:Only three hundred titles? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      If you read the press coverage of this, you'll find that the device includes a number of recent publications from e.g. Harper Collins, so not public domain. Clearly the government simply negotiated a deal with publishers. Furthermore, even if they limited themselves to public domain titles, they could put a whole lot more than 300 titles on the device: Project Gutenberg currently stands at 45538 titles.

    9. Re:Only three hundred titles? by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      So you really do believe 64MB if flash is all they could technically fit? And you'll use that as evidence that the device is inferior? Would you also say a 2.0l Mazda is inferior to a V8 corvette because it doesn't have nearly the same 0-60 time? Or would you instead concede that the designers understood the performance difference but used that specific engine for a specific reason.

    10. Re:Only three hundred titles? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      So you really do believe 64MB if flash is all they could technically fit?

      No, I said nothing about the Navy's or its contractor's capabilities. I said it was strange that the designers of this device have have chosen to put so little memory in the device (or so few books assuming the storage is in fact larger).

    11. Re:Only three hundred titles? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It specifically mentions Game of Thrones novels.

    12. Re:Only three hundred titles? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Yup, this is actually the only brow-raising thing in this non-story. Given the capacity of even the oldest e-readers, I would expect the on-device library to be tens of thousands of books rather than hundreds.

      I suppose that what might have happened there is that they needed to secure redistribution rights, and somebody higher up the chain only allotted a certain budget for that purpose. Which is a shame.

  4. NERDS!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't help but wonder if the powers that be in the US Navy have a unexpectedly healthy sense of humor. Either that or they're totally oblivious to the irony of naming their new custom eReader the NeRD.

  5. makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The company has already delivered similar gadgets to members of the US Army and other military personnel.
    The brainchild of the Navy's General Library Program, the electronic ink Kindle-alike has no internet capability, no removable storage, no camera and no way to add or delete content. This is to prevent it being used to smuggle secret military data ashore, take illicit photos, introduce computer malware or record covert conversations."

    Actually makes sense to me.....

    1. Re:Makes sense by CastrTroy · · Score: 0

      I would also imaging that the "small" (Compared to other eReaders) list of books is because the text of each book and to be independantly verified to make sure it didn't contain anything that could be used to circumvent proper operations of the vessel. Also, there's probably copyright issues with including many newer works.

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    2. Re:Makes sense by Minderbinder106 · · Score: 2

      Anyone on a submarine who likes to read brings their own Kindle with them.

    3. Re:makes sense by ultranova · · Score: 1

      take illicit photos

      You mean photos of illicit activities.

      Let's be honest here: the route the ship took has zero tactical value after the fact, unless they keep on taking the same routes (which would be beyond idiotic). This is about stopping another leak a la Snowden or Manning, which in turn means there's more dirty secrets where those came from. The only real question is: what unsavory activities are being covered up this time?

      It would make more sense to clean up their act than live in a constant state of futile paranoia.

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    4. Re:makes sense by schnell · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean photos of illicit activities.

      No, he means take illicit photos. Not to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, but there are many highly sensitive areas on a US nuclear submarine that certain foreign powers would love to get pictures of for competitive intelligence purposes. That's what they're worried about, not some coverup of the Navy heartlessly waterboarding harp seals or giving blue whales torpedo enemas.

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    5. Re:makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let's be honest here: the route the ship took has zero tactical value after the fact

      "Hey, look, they are patrolling near that base we tried to act like it was unimportant, they saw through our ruse." "Oh, they tend to concentrate their submarines around here, we should avoid that path." Or doesn't even have to be a legit complaint, "Look, they were following that ship of ours that sank... of course it sank from cutting corners on construction, but we can blame them for doing something."

    6. Re:makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the route the ship took has zero tactical value after the fact

      I'm not sure you can actually track a seagoing vessel using photos of the surrounding sea.

      But the exact console layout of the bridge might be useful to someone trying to commandeer a vessel.

      Being unable to think of a case where the navy would legitimately not want illicit photos taken shows a lack of imagination / a lack of basic military knowledge, not a sinister third-party agenda. Apparently you don't realize why the Navy would want to operate an "eyes only" policy at all, nor why it would apply security by default and then relax it for specific needs. You know what the Navy does, though, right?

      This is about

      Says everybody with an ax to grind, regardless of its actual relevance to the matter at hand.

    7. Re:Makes sense by hendrips · · Score: 1

      Not if they want to comply with regulations, they don't. As should hopefully be obvious.

    8. Re:makes sense by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Not to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory

      How many times do you need to be caught red-handed before assuming you're at it again stops being a conspiracy theory and becomes just common sense? Well, in the US it takes a single serious offence to mark you a felon for life, never to be trusted again, so why not judge the country itself by the same standard?

      but there are many highly sensitive areas on a US nuclear submarine that certain foreign powers would love to get pictures of for competitive intelligence purposes.

      And the people who are trained to use those systems - which I presume anyone who has access to "highly sensitive areas" is - can't simply describe the controls and function from memory? Which is a lot more reliable than trying to reverse engineer anything from a bad photograph.

      That's what they're worried about, not some coverup of the Navy heartlessly waterboarding harp seals or giving blue whales torpedo enemas.

      Of course they are. And if that just happens to also cover an occasional kidnapping here, transfer of funds or weapons to politically convenient guerilla or dictator there, spying a little bit over there....

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    9. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if they want to comply with regulations, they don't. As should hopefully be obvious.

      It's not obvious to me. Is there some specific actual reason/code/regulation stating such? I'll grant that 130 kindles leaving port at a certain time might be of interest TTBTB, but I doubt the 3g radio inside any would work through the hull, much less once the hatch was closed and the mast was below the surface. If and when this planet gets ubiquitous Irridium style communications integrated in our gizmos it might be an issue for surface fleets, but I think we'd have solved the whole war aspect before we get that level of comms.

  6. Doesn't Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter that it can't be updated since there are Navy publications that are at least 50 years old and have not been updated since.

    1. Re:Doesn't Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A couple of years ago, I actually got a call from a a military training instructor who wanted to know if it was possible to convert his training filmstrips and transparencies to a powerpoint presentation. Apparently, the bulbs on his old projectors had burned out and no made them anymore. This was the ONLY reason he was going to powerpoint, because he absolutely had to.

    2. Re:Doesn't Matter by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm surprised that they don't have some kind of proprietary nonvolatile memory device where they can groups of books, so you can swap them out.

    3. Re:Doesn't Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'm surprised that they don't have some kind of proprietary nonvolatile memory device where they can groups of books, so you can swap them out.

      You mean a ROM cartridge?

  7. O RLY? by CanEHdian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I bet with all this slashvertising these things are going to become collector's items; every hacker will want one to see if they *can* change the content.

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  8. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't have machines capable of transporting unauthorized files or tracking your fleet location on board. Would be idiotic.

    This provides a way to give sailors a decent library of books to read without having to find a place to have a dead tree library on a cramped ship.

    The concept is perfectly sound, despite obvious failings in the design/specs (only 300 books, and probably thousands of dollars each, hah)

  9. Hmmm, So its like a book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Manuals generally can't be updated unless new sections are added or pages added.

    Doesn't seem like too much of a thing. Need revisions, send out a new unit with updated material, destroy the outdated unit.

    A.

    1. Re:Hmmm, So its like a book? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Manuals generally can't be updated unless new sections are added or pages added.

      Actually most technical manuals onboard ships that are still kept in paper form are designed to be easily updated. The pages aren't glued in place - they are three-hole punched and kept in binders. When an update to the manual comes out, they only need to distribute the specific pages which have changed. Each page has a revision number on it, and the manuals will contain a "List of effective pages" noting the most current version of every page in the manual.

      This means you can now assign people to do nothing but go through paper manuals page-by-page and verify that every page is present and at the correct revision.

    2. Re:Hmmm, So its like a book? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If they actually pushed the manuals for the effin' piddly crap you have to deal with on those things, it would maybe actually serve a purpose.

      In case you don't know: Whenever you get some "new" device in any army anywhere on this planet, one thing is certain: The manual is missing, mangled or the critical pages (especially tables and the like) are suspiciously absent.

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    3. Re:Hmmm, So its like a book? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not too different from commercial aircraft.

      Take a Boeing 747. They've been in production for almost 50 years, been through dozens of iterations and tweaks, man different variations, and quite possibly no two are exactly alike.

      You essentially need to be able to get the full manual as it applies to any given aircraft, because over time there's been upgrades, changes, recalls, and everything else you can imagine.

      When you have a few million parts flying in formation, making sure you know which specific parts are in which specific plane is a Very Important Task.

      This means you can now assign people to do nothing but go through paper manuals page-by-page and verify that every page is present and at the correct revision.

      And, compared to the cost of, say, an aircraft carrier of a submarine, the cost of that is pretty insignificant.

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    4. Re:Hmmm, So its like a book? by PPH · · Score: 1

      This means you can now assign people to do nothing but go through paper manuals page-by-page and verify that every page is present and at the correct revision.

      There's an app for that.

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    5. Re:Hmmm, So its like a book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This means you can now assign people to do nothing but go through paper manuals page-by-page and verify that every page is present and at the correct revision.

      As far as bullshit tasks typically assigned to E-1s are concerned, thats pretty easy work. Beats organizing the rock pile or beautifying the sand pit any day.

  10. Serves a purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    In spite of the knee-jerk reaction of "That POS can't even be updated!" that the summary seems to be triggering, I think perhaps it was designed this way on purpose? Think about it. 300 documents, could be manuals, laws, whatever. If each of those is to be readily available per person, which is smaller, 1 eReader, or 300 books? Which cost more to produce? 1 reader as opposed to 300 books? ect... The navy probably doesn't want the info in those to change either, hence the no update.

    Seems to work pretty good for its inteded purpose to me.

  11. Its the navy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it's shit. Worst ereader, worst branch of military

  12. Your Tax Dollars! by BoRegardless · · Score: 0

    There needs to be a law!

    Government ought to be required to use commercial products for common tasks and functions rather than having lifer government employees creating a duplicate system from scratch that doesn't truly add anything to answering the needs of their employees.

    We are in a system where government waste has become a cancer strangling the economy with taxes in all their forms which now amount to basically half the GDP.

    It is sick.

    1. Re:Your Tax Dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This does answer a problem, which is providing e-readers for sailors that don't also serve as intentional or unintentional espionage devices aboard ship.

      Reach back and pull your head out of your ass.

    2. Re:Your Tax Dollars! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You really have no clue about military needs, do you?

      What waste? I hear it all the time, but no one can point to any. Oh, by 'waste' you mean thing you limited experience and complete ignorance deems as waste?

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    3. Re:Your Tax Dollars! by alen · · Score: 1

      it's all fun and games until someone tapes the entry of nuclear launch codes onto their device and shares it to youtube. or the workings of secret equipment that make our subs the best in the world

    4. Re:Your Tax Dollars! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Yes, because we should force the military to use consumer level products which might not meet their particular requirements. After all, the money saved in using a consumer product versus developing a secure, rugged, locked-down, for-military-use-only device won't be offset by people exploiting said devices (since they won't live up to military level security) or by the devices failing when they are subjected to military conditions (not what your average consumer puts their devices through). Kindle/iPad/etc is good enough for Joe User and therefore is must be good enough for specialized military use!

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    5. Re:Your Tax Dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      West Wing has a reasonably answer to this one....

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    6. Re:Your Tax Dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP is an idiot. I have no issues with the E-Reader. But there is definitely waste in DoD spending. So many projects that never see the light of day. Mostly because director of This beat out director of That. So many seat filler jobs, where a contractor once needed 10 engineers, now the work can be done be 2, but they make more money with 10, so they keep hiring them. This is what I've seen from working for a contractor. I will avoid specifics.
      In the news there's this http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/08/08/209878158/egypt-may-not-need-fighter-jets-but-u-s-keeps-sending-them-anyway

  13. Titles? by RDW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The WSJ is marginally more informative on the contents:

    "The content consists mainly of newer bestsellers and public-domain classics, as well as titles from the Navy reading list and other texts for professional development. Since publishing partners include Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette and Random House, the lineup is impressive, ranging from contemporary fiction such as A Game of Thrones and The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo, bestselling non-fiction such as The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, and bonafide nerd favorites including The Lord of the Rings series, Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game, and Stephen King's The Stand."

    Anyone have a list, or is it classified? Is 'Mutiny on the Bounty' allowed?

    1. Re:Titles? by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      This is the US Navy, not the British Royal Navy. Of course it's allowed. Now... The Caine Mutiny might be a different story.

    2. Re:Titles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about "The Sand Pebbles"?

    3. Re:Titles? by Kiwikwi · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone be inspired by the mutiny on the Bounty? As far as I know, the story goes like this:

      16 escaped to Tahiti. A year later, one was killed by a fellow mutineer, who was subsequently killed by an angry mob. Within another year, the Royal Navy arrived and arrested them; 4 drowned. After lengthy trials, 3 were executed, 4 acquitted and 3 pardoned.

      The 9 remaining mutineers marooned themselves (along with a group of kidnapped natives) on the deserted Pitcairn island, with all of 4.6 km to spend their remaining life on. Within 4 years, 5 mutineers died in a violent clash; the remaining mutineers began drinking heavily, with one suicide and another two killed in the following years.

      But yeah, one of 25 managed to escape the law and survive long enough to even name a town after himself (populated entirely by the natives he and the other mutineers had raped, and their offspring).

      ...

      Okay, scratch that; I realize that compared to the Royal Navy anno 1789, Pitcairn starts to look mighty swell.

    4. Re:Titles? by waddgodd · · Score: 1

      http://www.navy.mil/submit/dis... Based on paygrade. I actually wore the covers off _Starship Troopers_ in the Navy, so I can see some off them... PS, The Caine Mutiny is on the LPO list

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  14. It doesn't seem so bad to me. by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    I think they could have put a larger library on it relatively cheaply, but other than that, it makes perfect sense that it can't be connected to a computer network.

    Nope. Not so bad at all.

    1. Re:It doesn't seem so bad to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaply in the data storage sense, yes. However, a lot of the titles are current, high-volume, popular titles. I'm guessing the Navy has to pay licensing like everyone else. Still, for the price of an extra 1GB SD card, they could have put thousands of additional public domain titles on the thing.

  15. Better Headline by Chillas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Navy Invents E-reader that is Secure, Meets its Needs; Hated By People Who Will Never See or Use It"

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    1. Re:Better Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well stated.

    2. Re:Better Headline by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      And the content can never be Amazoned ... I mean deleted by the copyright holder.

    3. Re:Better Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Navy Invents E-reader that is Secure, Meets its Needs; Hated By People Who Will Never See or Use It"

      As other people have pointed out, you can bring your own e-reader on deployments with as many books as you like.

    4. Re:Better Headline by sootman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Next on Slashdot: "Army tanks are uncomfortable, get horrible mileage."

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    5. Re:Better Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no USB port. Lame.

  16. Cheaper solution by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Build a "common operating environment" version of Android, just like how the DoD has a common build of Windows that meets all of its needs. Have a variant that has all wireless hardware and external storage drivers removed. Problem solved.

    1. Re:Cheaper solution by geekoid · · Score: 1

      why is that cheaper? You still need special hard ware. Special limited hardware, in fact; which means hirer prices. You still need to pay for the specialize OS, and testing, and maintenance, and change management.

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    2. Re:Cheaper solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If having a door is an unacceptable security risk, you don't build the door. It'd be silly to build the door, not put a handle on it and call it "secure".

    3. Re:Cheaper solution by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Cheap solution : don't even run an OS. There's likely no need for an OS at all on a single purpose device with limited inputs/output as this. My 1989 Game Boy didn't run an OS and had more abilities than the Navy e-book. Stuff like micro-waves and alarm clocks don't run an OS either.
      Put evething : the program, fonts (all sizes and styles pre-baked) and books in a single mask ROM.

  17. sounds like a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like this is a purpose developed disposable device. It's meant to give sailors something to read. As long as its price to the taxpayer matches its value, I'm ok with this.

    1. Re:sounds like a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *phew*, as long as you're okay with it, so am I.

    2. Re:sounds like a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC expresses opinion; AC complains.

    3. Re:sounds like a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and 2 ACs respond. Wonderful sleuthing!

  18. Very bad summary title by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not the "Worst" e-Reader ever.

    Why do I say that?

    Because it is working as designed.

    Frankly, for certain high-security situations this kind of "immutable" device is the only kind of device that would be allowed in. So it's either something like this, or books-on-tape/CD/paper/something else.

    For slightly less-but-still-very-secure situations you could allow some type of external read-only, no-processor-chip-onboard "expansion pack" memory so that the book content could be switched out without getting a whole new device. I wouldn't use USB though, as that requires a processor on the stick itself.

    Also, I'd make very sure the data format was really "data only" not something that could, in theory, be a vector for "code." This would rule out PDF and PostScript. In other words, it would be pretty limited.

    The things you absolutely do not want for this type of device in a high-security environment are:
    * Any ability to "run code"
    * Any wireless
    * Any ability to export data other than through the screen (you can't stop someone from photographing the screen)
    * Any ability to "hack" the device without physical access and accessing it in a non-standard way (e.g. with a screwdriver). This means the software must be proven to never do anything "bad" other than "just die, requiring a reboot" if the operator is tricked into giving it even carefully-crafted/designed-to-do-bad-things bad data.

    In some cases, you do not want it displaying anything other than what is "whitelisted." This can be done by either only displaying properly-digitally-signed files or, as in this case, by only providing a limited set of files and "sealing" the device.

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    1. Re:Very bad summary title by Old+Fatty+Baldman · · Score: 1

      Still, it sounds like they've spent millions of dollars on it and only produced 300 units. Doesn't that count as failure, when you could just buy a Kindle off the shelf, apply some exacto-knifing to break the wireless and USB, then hermetically epoxy it shut?

    2. Re:Very bad summary title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was the case a number of years ago. You could give a Palm Pilot to the ship security guy. They would open it, sever the connections and give it back to you sealed. I think part of the problem is that the newer electronics are too dense. You can't just pop these devices open anymore let alone unsolder anything. It would be easier to work with the Kindle vendor to leave out the undesirable components, which is what was likely done here.

  19. Capacity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just seems like such a waste of storage capacity. Its like installing a twenty foot long oak bookshelf in your study and then only putting 5 books on the shelf.

    Sure, I get that it needs to be locked down. No updates ... OK there is a valid case there. But only 300 books? Why not thousands of books? The difference in terms of memory cost would be minimal compared to the cost of the other components, direct labor, overhead, etc.

    1. Re:Capacity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you even read a book?

  20. It's not a bug, it's a feature by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Why do you think the Navy would want their sailors to read whatever they see fit instead of the wholesome library that was carefully selected for them?

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    1. Re:It's not a bug, it's a feature by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

      Possibly close to the same reason the Christians burned books back in the day? Just a guess and most likely a bad one at that.

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  21. Cool name by cute_orc · · Score: 1

    At least they have got a cool name.

  22. More choices! by davidwr · · Score: 0

    Bible or the Khoran. Your choice!

    You forgot The Book of Mormon and a few others.

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    1. Re:More choices! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yeah, which Bible? Which Koran?

      The old standards are just like the new standards - so many to choose from!

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    2. Re:More choices! by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      You forgot The Book of Mormon and a few others.

      Guess I should had only mentioned one.

      Then I could have said "THOSE ARE ALL WRONG!"

      Damn religinuts are retarded.

      You are so eloquent. Where did you go to school? Get back to us with a larger vocabulary and avoid using insults and slurs. Then and only then will your opinion be worth hearing.

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    3. Re:More choices! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I use English for the interweb. I don't read books. It is and become what it is.

    4. Re:More choices! by hey! · · Score: 2

      Yeah, which Bible? Which Koran?

      Actually, there *are* no alternate versions of the Koran -- or at least there's not supposed to be. Any translation of the Koran is not considered an actual "Koran" for purposes of Islamic law or worship. Anyone who wants to read or recite from the Koran is obliged to learn seventh century Arabic.

      So there are no disputes in Islam equivalent to Christian disputes over whether the King James or the Revised Standard Version are more accurate; whether 1 Maccabees or the Epistles of Clement are divinely inspired; on whether to base the Old Testament on Hebrew sources or the Septuagint (the 2nd Cenury BCE Koine Greek translation that Jesus himself would have used). There's just one version of the Koran, the one authorized by Caliph Uthman in 650 CE, and believed to be compiled by Abu Bakr two years following the Prophet's death.

      Yet oddly this has not prevented radically different versions of Islam from arising. The cheerful liberal Sufi imam at the local mosque has about as much in common with Wahabbist firebrands recruiting for Al Qaeda as the local gay Congregational minister has with the Aryan Nation affiliated Christian churches. There might even be *less* in common.

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    5. Re:More choices! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Textual Variants of the Qur'an

      Most Muslims claim that the text of the Qur'an is identical to that received by Muhammad. This is a convenient thing to believe, but is it the truth? There is overwhelming evidence that it is not.... Some Muslims are of the conviction spurious verses have been added.... There are Hadiths which refer to suras which are not in the modern Qur'an. Surely this indicates that the Qur'an has changed since the time of these Hadiths.... By simply comparing existing manuscripts, it can be shown that not all Qur'an manuscripts are the same. Therefore, the Qur'an has not been perfectly preserved."

      http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/index.html

    6. Re:More choices! by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      meh, one fairy story is as good as another I suppose.

  23. Early Morning Posters == Ex-Military Apologists by Ulthanash · · Score: 0

    It looks like the early risers are former military that like to justify the stupidity. That's why military intelligence is an oxymoron. The military has been developing unusable systems for hundred of years. Does anybody remember the matchlock? I'm sure there is somebody in the military that fonly remembers the matchlock. The Navy has been working on this project for 10+ years. The evil contractor that has been developing this piece of junk finally got the cranky admirals to sign off on it. The "no updates" rule is most likely a kludge to get around the fact that they could not figure out a way to securely update the device that made everybody happy. I can hear the admiralty discussing the issues, "When I was a sailor we didn't have room for a library on board. All I had was a Bible and that was good enough me!" The rest of the admirals agreed with a heary "hoo-ah!"

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    1. Re:Early Morning Posters == Ex-Military Apologists by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Right, got it. Everybody is stupid, except for you.

    2. Re:Early Morning Posters == Ex-Military Apologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was clearly satire.
      So what does that say about you?

    3. Re:Early Morning Posters == Ex-Military Apologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as much as it says about the stupidity of morons who write what THEY intend to be satire - in a medium which cannot convey satire.

      Smarten up.

  24. Charging is the actual venue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Think about it. People would read this on watch and the reader is rechargeable. This has been an issue for certain systems and the older ipods.... Basically you are on watch and a wall socket may not be in reach... But hey! There is a usb port right there! Awesome! Oops... A virus detected? I only plugged it into my virus ridden computer that I watch movies with in my rack... That I watch pr0n on... Dagnabit.

    1. Re:Charging is the actual venue. by dwillden · · Score: 1

      As every USB port on government systems is supposed to be locked against use for data transfer. This should not be an issue. And it could be also be easily compensated by providing USB charging cables that allow power but not data. Such exist and would mitigate the problem that doesn't exist because the USB ports on the computers are already locked down.

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    2. Re:Charging is the actual venue. by Fishchip · · Score: 1

      This is why we have IT security briefings stressing you're not supposed to do this, and software installed on workstations to let us know who plugged what in where and what it did. Most people know they're not to plug personal shiz into DND assets but there's always that one officer.

  25. youd think any e-reader would be a bad idea. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    Being so close to water and all, the entire idea of an e-reader for naval sailors is preposterous. The thought that a soldier for that matter would want or need an e-reader is equally absurd. an SOP is useless once the battery runs out. equipment manifests, authorized zone visitors for the day or coded diagrams all cease to exist if the device is dropped, run over, or damaged.

    the enemies paper field manuals have just rendered two of your strongest allies in a battle, communication and comprehension, null.

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    1. Re:youd think any e-reader would be a bad idea. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Being so close to water and all, the entire idea of an e-reader for naval sailors is preposterous.

      This is not your bathtub. This is for the pros.

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    2. Re:youd think any e-reader would be a bad idea. by Animats · · Score: 1

      Being so close to water and all, the entire idea of an e-reader for naval sailors is preposterous.

      This is for submariners. If they encounter water, they have much worse problems than e-reader failure. It's just for recreational reading, anyway; it's not for storing manuals. What the Navy wants is a device which absolutely cannot emit any kind of signal and possibly give away a sub's location.

      It might even be waterproof. There are waterproof e-readers. The Navy tends to waterproof everything to at least the "resists high humidity and salt spray" level. That's so routine it's not usually mentioned. (There's no real problem waterproofing electronics. More mobile phones should be waterproof. Some already are; I have one.)

  26. Re: This is why you can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So does your momma, but no one's judging

  27. Why would it need updating? by redelm · · Score: 1

    "Moby Dick" has not been updated since originally released in 1851! Nearly all literature is similarly stuck at version 1.0 . Few Navy Manuals / Publications see updates more than every few years.

    Perhaps you are thinking of adding to the collection? Rethink your acquisitiveness and participation in the hysteria of new-is-better. Or let the USN rethink it for you!

  28. They have email, but no books? by JavaBear · · Score: 2

    IIRC Email is far more insecure than any ebook reader.

    1. Re:They have email, but no books? by azadrozny · · Score: 1

      I am going to guess that the workstations that allow sailors to use email are difficult to remove and carry off the ship. I believe that the intent of these e-readers is for them to be mobile, possibly allowing them to go ashore. Since they are read only, their value if stolen is low. They contain no information about the ship/sailor, and have little resale value since they have limited capabilities.

    2. Re:They have email, but no books? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      IIRC Email is far more insecure than any ebook reader.

      All of their email is (or at times, can be) checked and approved (or not) and redacted (or not) before it is released to the world. YDNRC.

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  29. Your tax dollars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...hard at work.

  30. Hobbled.. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Or hobbled to create the false impression of security, while not actually being secure at all, just terribly inconvenient to use.

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  31. 300 Titles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably because it has G.R.R.M. and S. King's works.. God damn tree killers!

  32. Not bad by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    If the 300 books are worth reading that's decent but not only that, they're all properly bought/licensed. The collective value of the book's data is probably more than that of the hardware itself, ignoring price gouging and low runs.
    So there's no 4000 books, but even at $1 a piece a 4000 book device would cost $4000, multiplied by hundreds of units. We can joke at the list of "approved material". It's a bit easier to navigate a list of 300 books than 4000 or 50000, too.
    There's the option of releasing new "editions" of the e-book with another selection of content .

    1. Re:Not bad by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There are very large numbers of excellent public domain books on Project Gutenberg and others. You do not have to pay $1/copy for, say, Dickens novels.

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  33. I bet they cost $3000 each too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i just havea a feeling its usefulness will be inversely proportional to its cost

  34. Dear Berenice Baker.... by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 2

    NeRD is not a backronym. A backronym is when you take an existing word/name (Fiat) and create an acronym for it (Fix It Again Tony). I really doubt the Navy just stumbled on the name NeRD and later found the words to affix to it.

    Also interesting to note, the submitter submits things from the same group of sites...
    Naval-technology.com
    Power-technology.com
    Army-technology.com
    Offshore-technology.com
    Pharmaceutical-technology.com
    Hydrocarbon-technology.com

    There are articles about NeRD going back days. I guess these days news is more about rehashing someone else's news and getting traffic to your site.

    1. Re:Dear Berenice Baker.... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      A backronym is when you take an existing word/name (Fiat) and create an acronym for it (Fix It Again Tony)

      Fiat S.p.A. (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino) You might want to find another example.

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    2. Re:Dear Berenice Baker.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His point was that the sentence "Fix It Again Tony" was made to fit "Fiat".

    3. Re:Dear Berenice Baker.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym contains this example:

      ETOPS is officially an acronym for Extended Range Twin Operations, but the colloquial backronym is "Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim."

      Just because something is an acronym doesn't mean it cannot also have a backronym.

    4. Re:Dear Berenice Baker.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being in the military myself, it is not surprising at all that they would call it a Nerd. It's probably a joke that the guys were tossing around about how nerdy it is to use the thing.

    5. Re:Dear Berenice Baker.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, just the same parent company, Progressive Digital Media Group.

  35. Public Domain Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to build a non-updateable reader, why not cram as much Public Domain work as you can into it? It's not like eBooks take up that much space, and those are titles you can stock without fear of licensing controversy.

  36. TL;DR by Enry · · Score: 1

    Kindle: Waah, Amazon can take away my titles at any time!
    Navy: Waah, I can't change anything!

  37. I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by swschrad · · Score: 2

    like "The Importance of Avoiding Sexually-Transmitted Diseases In Port," "Heavy Maintenance On Carrier Launchers: Packing Steam Pistons," and "Don't Throw That Wrench."

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    1. Re:I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ironically the last two sound more sexually charged then the first one.

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    2. Re:I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      according to the link here it includes GoT and lotr, among others. so it's some good stuff at least.

    3. Re:I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by dwillden · · Score: 1

      But that is a problem. GoT is not complete as a series. So if these can never be updated, the series can never be completed (assuming George R. R. Martin lives long enough at the pace he writes.)

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    4. Re:I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a long assumption that the sun will live long enough, at the pace GRRM writes...

    5. Re:I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Presumably they will be updated via replacement when the ship docks. Ship gets new devices, the old ones go back to the manufacturer to crack the case and hook a programmer up. Only with approved patriotic books, of course.

    6. Re:I'm sure it's perennial thrillers by Christopher_T. · · Score: 1

      Ironically the last two sound more sexually charged then the first one.

      Especially if we change the last title to "Don't Throw That Wench".

  38. Army Build Worst High Efficiency Car! by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    Hummer.

    Air Force Builds Worst Passenger Jet, Only Hold 1!

    F16, F35, etc.

    A lot of use specific military stuff has little to no application outside the military. The headline and summary is stupid.

  39. CmdrTaco says by Dahan · · Score: 1

    No wireless. Less space than a Kindle. Lame.

  40. I can't imagine the use for this. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1

    I can see how a military e-reader could be useful. I was an avionics tech in the Marine Corps, and our technical library probably weighed a couple tons. It was absolutely mandatory to have the manual in front of you while working on something, no matter how well you knew the gear. But part of my job was to replace pages in these manuals as changes came down from on high. I doubt there are any standing orders that never change at all. An e-reader that can't be updated would be quickly outdated.

    1. Re:I can't imagine the use for this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like this e-reader is for literature; supplementing shipboard libraries and such. Moby-Dick won't be receiving any updated pages from Defense Logistics, et al.

  41. If A Song of Ice and Fire doesn't count as objecti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I don't know what does. Rape, murder, etc.

  42. They could have fitted a receive-only radio by welshie · · Score: 1

    They could have fitted a receive-only radio that can receive (appropriately authenticated) broadcast / multicast updates when they are back at shore. That way, the library of books available can be kept reasonably fresh without throwaway hardware.

  43. slashvertising?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashvertising a device that we can't buy?

    How does that work?

    No, this is about getting a bunch of insufferable know-it-all dorks to come here and proclaim how their Kindle, Nook, iPad, Android, paper book is ten times better than this and why was the military sooooo stupid not use one of those.

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  46. It's a field trial unit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This should be nominated for stupidest title. The units are prototypes for a field trial. 5 units per sub. The features were a design requirement in an environment that doesn't allow things like Kindles or iPads.

    A better story is here:

    http://www.strategypage.com/%5Chtmw%5Chtintel%5Carticles%5C20140511.aspx

  47. 300 books? A hugely hobbled device... by trygstad · · Score: 1

    I just gave my son a Nook HD+. I stuck a 32GB micro-SD card in it, on which I included 20,000 epub books, as well as a few other odd-'n-ends. Even with technology a few years old, it seems incredible to me that they could only get 300 books on these things. I used to put that many books on a 2GB SD card on my Dell Axim PDA, which is really old technology today.

  48. I don't understand why they did this by Zeorge · · Score: 1

    I was in the Navy for eight years and you pretty much bring along what you want to entertain you. I brought along a Basic Stamp kit, a huge wallet of DVDs, we had a media computer for our songs, game consoles, etc.

    This is the brainchild of some admiral or captain that wants to be promoted. And, only five? Makes me think that they are going to the ships library (yup we have those too) for use. If anything, the SNCO's will get it and no one else will and even with them the five is not enough.

    Just a huge waste of money.

  49. You must be new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get back to us with a larger vocabulary and avoid using insults and slurs.

    You must be new here.

  50. Copyright Term Extension Act by tepples · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the post-1922 English canon is deliberately underrepresented for copyright reasons.

  51. Raises more questions than it answers by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

    TFA is certainly heavy on complaints and light on actual information. I totally understand the need for security in a military situation, and the need to save space on board. It sounds to me like the e-readers are probably a good compromise. But what I'd really like to know is how the e-readers compare to the existing libraries?

    * Do these supplement or replace existing on-board libraries?

    * How many paper books does a typical on-board library have, anyway? How many books are typically checked-out at a time?

    * Is this a limited-scope pilot program or a full-blown library replacement? If it's not just a pilot program an average of five e-readers per vessel seems a bit small.

    * Are sailors allowed to bring personal e-readers, phones, or computers aboard? If so, I'd say that the security of these devices is irrelevant and they may as well go with off-the-shelf devices.

    --
    Chelloveck
    I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
  52. Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Digital content costs $$$. Why 300? Think $$.

  53. ah-ha ... the big question by hurfy · · Score: 1

    Had to go back a couple articles to find that the interface is kind of sucky and it is too hard to search more than 300 books.
    I suppose there is little point to add more if it makes it harder to actually use.

    I did not find the cost yet. Did they manage to pay less than 10 times what it is worth?

  54. You, sir, are a Communist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How dare you undermine the military procurement system!?

    Repeat after me. There are 3 ways to do things:

    1). The right way;
    2). The wrong way;
    3). The Navy/Army/Airforce way.

    Sir yes sir!!

  55. Put a different set of 300 books on each reader by afaiktoit · · Score: 1

    Instead of having the same 300 books on each reader put a different set on each one and they can be handed around.

  56. Not for classified material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't for classified material. I'd guess the locked-down nature is to allows sharing of the device and avoids maintenance (which won't happen until the boat is back in its home port, say in three year's time).