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UK May Kill the EU's Net Neutrality Law
An anonymous reader writes "The U.K. government is planning on vetoing the E.U. legislation that enforces net neutrality under the guise of 'won't anyone think of the child pornography blocking?' again. From the article: ' It’s a surprising turn of events. Just last month, the European Parliament voted to place the principles of net neutrality into law. However, before it becomes law throughout Europe, each member country must also pass the legislation. On Thursday, the British government indicated it may veto it instead. At issue is a new provision that critics argue would restrict the British government’s “ability to block illegal material.” The amendment made it so that only a court order would allow for the banning of content, and not a legislative provision, as originally proposed, according to RT. “We do not support any proposals that mean we cannot enforce our laws, including blocking child abuse images,” a government spokesperson told BuzzFeed.'"
We don't need net neutrality laws in the UK. We have real competition, everyone has the choice of hundreds of different ISPs.
Is a blockage going to help the ultimate objective, that is to stop crime? Does it not drive criminals underground in many cases?
Oh wait, stopping crime is not the ultimate objective, control of communication is. Go ahead.
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The British government does not want anything which has to do with the EU, especially when it comes to human rights. Lately, they opposed the European human rights declaration. Now that! They do not want to tax their financial sector, so they can pay back all the money the states had to spend to stabilize the economy. If they really do not want to be in the EU. Then fuck off and leave. If the only interest is a trade union. We can negotiate one. But please do not hold back the other nations. Thanks.
It looks like the whole UK as part of EU is causing lots of issues on both sides.
In general I'm for the union, but if a single country can keep on causing problems for majority and if that single country is genuinely displeased with common rules by which others would like to abide, then re-evaluation might be in order.
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
The UK conservative government has an election next year. They are under a lot of pressure from the UKIP, a party that is for the UK being independent from the EU, so very anti EU. And it is about an issue that they can twist into being about them protecting children from the internet, which plays well in the tabloids. Of course they were going to do this no matter how good or bad the EU legislation actually is.
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
As a random British person, no.
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In the Netherlands we already adopted NN legislation. If the UK is succesful in blocking the legislation at the EU level, what will the consequences be for individual countries like my own? Will we still have our own NN laws in place?
Remove UK from EU... it's government controls what you see cancer is already spreading to other countries.
Cheaper cars (EU rules ban charging extra for right hand drive), and I've been able to live and work in Germany, North Holland and Belgium. Also, electrical goods come with a plug already fitted, and I can head across the channel for cheap drinks.
EU laws limit, to some extent, the damage the British government can do.
Plus, I get to move around within Europe without worrying about work permits.
It would have to be a very specific British person since most of us are, at best, apathetic to the EU. At worst hostile. Personally, I feel that a lot of the time it's a big clunking machine that's not much good for any individual country but on this occasion they got it absolutely right and I'm ashamed of my government for being the ones to oppose it.
I guess the only benefit to the UK being in the EU for Europeans is we're not 100% under the thumb of the US. Not much of a consolation but better to have an antagonistic member than an antagonistic non-member.
Net neutrality proposals needs to die and quickly.
I like that my ISP can scan my email for spam and remove it, I like that the ISP I use for web hosting blocks traffic from sites that are trying attacks against my web site and I am sure the vast majoity of parents like that their school blocks various web sites that are designed to prey on kids. All of this would be prevented by the various net neutrality bills that have come up; it is good that someone in the U.K. with a technical understanding is reading these proposals.
Once net neutrality is killed we can switch to the family of laws that are need and that is application neutrality. Application Neutrality is the principle that ISP don't have to treat all sites and data on the internet the same but that they have to treat with a same set of rules for all traffic for a application type. ISP should be able to block email or block various web sites and application neutrality allows them to do so provide they filter email the same or block web content by the same set of rules for all sites.
Yes.
Actually I'm not sure why the EU seems to think this is an area where it needs to get involved. It seems to be an issue that will affect each member state individually. I can't see how the UK not implementing NN, or the Netherlands doing so will affect the other in any way.
They will be glad to join US.
And buy European porn. Love the common market.
And how about benefits to the EU?
Apart from charging extra for left hand drive cars to cover cost of right hand drive cars?
First, the best way to fight child pornography is not to filter it - that way child pornography is still reachable through a proxy. Rather, the server must be legally seized.
Second, two years ago the european parliament did pass a resolution allowing for filtering child pornography through the net. I don't think this resolution has been altered in any way by net neutrality.
So, I think it is unlikely for the British goverment to veto european net neutrality - I don't think the british goverment would be so much misinformed. This news is 100% fake coming from some anti-european british.-Ignacio Agulló
Can't think of anything specific. Of course a union benefits from having more members but this isn't really specific to the UK.
Buy porn? Nice.
I am one and I agree. We have Chav politics for Chav people.
The place is run by the tabloid press and whatever the latest Witch hunt happens to be. It suits the wealthy for the plebs to be at each others throats demanding jack boots on their own freedom. Bread and circuses.
You couldn't make it up - Foaming mob demanding the death of Pediatricians force Government to disconnect the internet and replace it with Disney, Netflix and Sesame Street.
Having said that, the enlightened Australian equivalent has already installed their own great firewall of China "The web filter will also block access to websites about politically sensitive issues which have changing criminality statuses e.g., euthanasia and abortion".
Enjoy your totalitarian prison convict.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
There should be no blocking of whatever content. What is blocked, is accessible to the people who it's targeted at, but the general audience doesn't see it. It's swept under the carpet. Illegal content that exists on the internet should be visible, so people can complain with their representatives in parliament, or file charges with the police. I say this as one of the founders of Meldpunt (www.meldpunt.org) which is one of the founding parties of Inhope (www.inhope.org).
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As an Australian, I have nothing but contempt for the British. They are a nation of shopkeepers.
As opposed to a nation of sheep-shaggers
We already have zero hour contracts and more part time workers than fully employed so yes, the EU probably prevents us from replacing them with slave prison labor.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
I thought they are the ones contemplating on leaving the EU... or is it just "let's mess things up before we shut the door"?
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
As a random British person, no.
No be fair - You can go through the "quick queue" in European airports.
Well: - Influence in EU politics, economics and legislation, with the ability to veto things not in our interests (the net neutrality thing is bonkers though) -- you can't influence things if you're not at the table. - Free trade is nice (being in the club is better than being outside of it) - Health and Safety. I know the Daily Mail hate it, but the EU has forced employers -- by law -- to think about their workers' safety, rather than risk their health and fire 'em - European Court of Human Rights - Go on, name one of their human rights that you don't actually want. - Being part of a bigger political and economic union. Surely that's what we're telling Scotland regarding the UK. Surely this also applies to the UK in the EU I don't get the delusions that the UK can do better outside of the EU than within. No Empire. No manufacturing base to speak of. OK, the City of London earns a farquaad in finance, but countries that think they can play that game get burned eventually when the spreadbetting goes wrong. Greece and Iceland spring to mind. I think most anti-EU people think they'll continue to get all of the benefits they're used to if they leave. The remaining EU members have no obligation to let the UK away with any of it. Unfortunately, the scapegoat is actually quite valuable to the UK. And I think the UK would be moronic to kill it. Hashtag bloody UKIP.
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
As a random British person, no.
No be fair - You can go through the "quick queue" in European airports.
Well, when you put it like that....
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The rule is that a member state needs to transpose the whole EU directive into local law within a set timeframe. So, either the UK transposes the whole directive in UK law or they will be taken before the European Court of Justice by the European Commission for lack of, or imperfect, transposition. Their choice.
This sounds more like a desperate effort by the tories to prevent UKIP from making a too high score in the next EU parliament elections happening over the next few days.
Many of the Net Neutrality laws only ban blocking 'legal' content.
The US CAN-SPAM act of 2003 lays out rules to make spam legal. ... but in practice, you rarely, if ever, see 'legal' spam . See http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex...
Of course, it also gives an exemption to religious, political, and national security messages. (and I don't know if that means that they're not covered under the law, or that they're considered to specifically be legal)
Personally, I'm for net neutrality, but against every wording that I've seen of rules attempting to implement it. I'd be happy if they required ISPs to level with you on what blocking they were doing, and only consider an area to have broadband if it had an ISP that agreed to be a common carrier. (and fund a competitor to set up shop if there isn't)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
So can Norwegians and we are not an EU member. We are just member of Schengen.
Except in Heathrow (as non-UK EU citizen I avoid this pinnacale of stupidity as the plague).
Yes, all those nasty evil child porn sites like, uh, the pirate bay!
Damned pedos sharing all that pedo music and pedo games and pedo movies!
Don't forget those child porn OSes like Linux!
They are a nation of shopkeepers.
Rather that, than a nation of shoplifters...
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There are 1.8 million British people living in the EU according to this article: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5cd6.... It would be much more complicated for them if the they were not EU citizens.
Health and safety is mostly UK law (okey most of the stuff people complain about is UK law being applied poorly or people not realising the risks of certain activities). EU law tends to be weaker than UK law and practice in this area and in some cases the EU has actually weakened it. The classic one is life jackets. The old UK definition of a life jacket had a pretty good chance of keeping you afloat and the right way up even when unconscious. The EU definition does not.
The EU is a trading bloc. NN could be a free trade issue, if ISPs are allowed to discriminate traffic based on the source.
I'm getting sick and tired of shit like this. Just leave the EU already and become the 51st State, UK! Good riddance!
Isn't there anything child porn can't do?!!?
You couldn't make it up - Foaming mob demanding the death of Pediatricians
I'm pretty sure you're making that bit up though, or the NHS is much worse than I thought.
As an Australian, I have nothing but contempt for the British. They are a nation of shopkeepers.
As opposed to a nation of sheep-shaggers
A nation of criminals. It's where the British Empire send all its indesirables. Down under.
No wonder they ended up so fucked up.
You posted the exact same message, and continue to post the same message, on anything to do with net neutrality.
Example: http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Fuck you, you worthless ISP shill.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
I can move to any country in Europe with the same rights to work and government services as a native. I can travel across EU borders freely, bringing goods with me without restriction. I can shop anywhere in Europe and have it delivered without having to handle import charges or duty fees. Soon I will be able to use my mobile across Europe without paying extortionate import charges. My government is one of the most influential players in the creation of regulations for products and services for the largest trade block on the planet, ensuring we have a say in regulations that could adversely affect my employer. I can receive healthcare for free anywhere within the EU if I need to while travelling.
I'm sure there are others but those are the ones that come to mind.
I'd also ask what benefits exactly do very wealthy US states like California or New York get from being part of the United States rather than an individual nation? They pay vastly more in to central government than they receive, have laws set that differ considerably from their own states preference and many if not most of the benefits from being part of the same nation could 'theoretically' be gained through agreements between the new nation and the rest of the United States.
But all the sites that have inconvenient information for the two ruling UK parties are on the child pornography list already? :)
..be ruled from Brussels or join the USA? See everything in black and white much?
We can trade with our neighbours without having to be ruled by them.
I've seen first-hand how the European parliament operates and it is no wonder that national parties are rising to the forefront in France, Denmark and the UK. The whole union needs to be revised, or it will simply splinter under the strain. Countries across Europe are NOT the same and blindly applying legislation on a "one size fits all" basis is the cause of complaint from most quarters.
If you're "sick and tired" maybe you should talk to your Euro MP. See how far that gets you.
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
Yes, Europe doesn't end up with an economy that includes of Greece, Turkey, Spain, Italy, Albania, with Germany forced to fund the corruption and graft whilst simultaneously trying to sort out the Ukraine crisis without losing access to cheap Russian gas.
Britain gets very little apart from barrier free access to the European markets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It's not made up, but the NHS probably is far worse than you think.
I'm pretty sick and tired of the UK backpedalling. I know you guys have a referendum in the plans. Please, dear brits, vote to leave the EU.
Wow.. I wouldn't want to be a pedestrian walking through that neighbourhood.
Not being annexed by Mexico and Canada respectively, that's quite a benefit.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I like the ease of travel to other EU countries that i have with my EU passport.
I personally also like the fact that some of the insanity that the idiots in charge have wanted to do have been blocked by EU rules...
So.. it has come to this
Please, please tell me that you're stupid and didn't fall through a time-warp from the future.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The Polish workers who built all the facilities for the Olympics, cheap? Automatic work visas for all the Linux people in Ireland, where the pay is shite, to get jobs in Switzerland? Cheap curry, instead of trying to live on swede all winter?
We knew they'd say this, right?
This largely sums up why I'm in favour of the EU - the British government are fairly limited in what they can do, and worst case scenario I can move to another country within the EU.
That and maybe I'd love to just experience another country some time :).
Human rights issues are normally dealt with by the European Court of Justice, which coincidentally is /not/ an EU organisation.
Perhaps not so much the latter case.
Surely the "ease of travel" would not be limited if UK was not in EU anymore? As a matter of fact UK is not in the Schengen area. That means that you actually still have to use the passport while traveling anywhere, while the rest of us "UE-ians" :-) only need it for UK (I'm of course exaggerating, there are other EU countries that are not part of Schengen area either).
As a matter of fact, I can travel without passport to several countries that are NOT part of EU or Schengen, such as Bosnia, and Serbia. Of course this has to do with bilateral agreements between my country and those two. But surely a well established country, such as UK, would maintain same level of access as it had so far?
The increasing fear of pedologists may also explain the state of UK agriculture.
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Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
As a random British person, no.
Can I try?
1) Access to a 500 million people common market free of the toll barriers and protectionism that plagued post WWII Europe (and pre WWII Europe for that matter). People in general don't really seem to realise to what extent their economy has benefited from the common market. Millions of jobs in the UK exist because of the common market.
2) Freedom of movement within the EU, and freedom of employment. I can still remember the days when you had to jump through hoops to get visas to go to neighbouring countries and how you had to run from Pontius to Pilate to get a work permit or god forbid marry somebody form another country. Renewing your spouse's work permit every year for decades until they finally qualify for citizenship can get very tiresome as is worrying about whether the latest paranoid clamp down on immigration will leave your partner unemployed.
3) Commonality of the regulatory environment, that may sound boring but if you are in business it's a non trivial benefit to know that if some piece of electrical equipment has been certified in Germany you can much more easily import it to, say, Denmark.
4) The EU has made Europe a major player in world politics in a way we would never be if we were just the loose confederation of squabbling nation states we were back inthe 40s and 50s which is the place Farage/Wilders/Le Pen want to take us back to. If we really go back to being a squabbling litter of minor powers again the likes of Russia and China could gobble Europe up country by proudly independent country with a 'Dividi Et impera' strategy while the rest of Europe is still busy debating whether Russia/China is a threat and how to do something about it with out sacrificing any of their precious sovereignty. Pan European consensus on important trans-national issues may not move with lightning speed in the EU today but it's light speed compared to how fast things moved back in the 1950s (i.e. hardly moved at all unless everybody got a kick in their collective rear end from the Americans).
5) Some 70 years (and counting) of peace and prosperity in Europe.
But then I'm not a random Briton, I'm a random German but I'm sure that you can find a few random Britons who agree with me. You might want to start with my British relatives two of whom work for a (German) company that employs tens of thousands of Britons whom they would not be able to employ if there was no EU and no common market. There are also tons of companies in Germany who do a lively business importing stuff from Britain so it's not as if Britain leaving the EU would hurt just Britain. If the British want to leave the EU I'll be sorry to see them go. If only because I'm very fond of dark British beer which will presumably become more expensive. As for myself I'll take the the EU, warts and all, and at least have some kind of common voice in dealing with the big powers. Furthermore, if it is at all possible, I also want that free trade agreement with the USA. The bigger the market and fewer the trade restrictions the better off we'll all be. Sitting in your own corner and sulking won't get you anywhere.
Human rights protected by the treaties, guarded by the Commission (even though the European Court of Justice is not part of the EU). Because you sure as fuck can't trust the current lot with our rights. This article as a case in point.
Of course, access to a huge market, amazingly well regulated (you want to know what happens when regulatory capture takes place? look at the US...)
Benefits to the EU? we are one of the FEW countries who actually put in more than we take out.
Brits are the worst yankee cock suckers.
This is sad, sad, news.
I'm a UK citizen. I felt so proud to be a part of the EU when the net neutrality legislation went through! And now my own fucking shitty government is trying to derail it...
Without sane voices (UK and Denmark amongst others) suggesting a slower expansion, they would have been made members before the Greek problems, and they would be extra dominoes in the chain that would have brought down the Spanish and Italian economies.
I know UK officially supports Turkeys entry into the EU, but thats a position we take position to annoy France and give ourselves something to give away in negotiations.
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
Economic advantages, of course, but also a whole swathe of good laws have come from the EU. The anti-EU crowd always like to point at the bad laws (and of course, there are some) as a reason to leave whilst completely ignoring all the good laws that are only here as a result of the EU.
http://blog.nexusuk.org
It beggars belief. It's cold and wet anyway and full of mindless jobsworths.
What does this country have going for it?
The Polish came here and buggered off back home when they realised what it was like.
Says a lot.
Building a truck to live in then I'm gonna hightail it out of here; leave them to it.
It's a waste of life staying.
The UK government may talk about wanting to block child porn and terrorist sites and other "filth" (as they put it) and how the EU law wont let them continue to do so. What they dont talk about is that the laws that prohibit the blocking of child porn etc would ALSO prohibit the blocking of piracy-related websites like The Pirate Bay and remove a big tool that the copyright holders (in the UK at least) have been attempting to use to curb access to pirated content.
Its not just human rights, the UK have strongly resisted joining Schengen migration laws.
Look, I am all for human rights and freedom of moment. But what Brussels is trying to force member states into accepting is simply insane.
Here in Germany, we enjoy some of the best social services in the EU. We also enjoy a low unemployment rate coupled with a rather high taxation rate. This is the reason we can afford our current social system.
What the asshats in Brussels are insisting that we do is allow Romanians to migrate to Germany (or the UK) with any job, any prospect of ever getting a job and immediately have access to our social system.
This means that the money they would get just from moving here would far exceed what ever they could have possibly gotten in Romanian and also any remedial job here in Germany.
Our system cannot afford this! We cannot afford to take care of every poor country out there! I wish we could, but we cannot. Our population is aging quickly and we do need immigration, but we need immigration that can contribute to the system rather than suck money out.
I here pundits claiming this will not happen, but it is bullshit. It will happen and it is happening already.
The ONLY way that free movement can work is when EVERY SINGLE EU member state is forced to have the same level of social services for all EU members.
I mean there aren't even any good pubs anymore. You can't eat 'cause it costs a fortune and you've no time to 'cause you're expected to work dawn till dusk to pay ridiculous rents. It's fallen so far people don't even say hello to each other anymore. Really, what is there to protect, to be proud of? It's mind-numbing. Life does not have to be like this. Travel for a couple of months and you come back and stand on an empty street and think 'S***. Now what the f*** did I come back here for?' If only folks would just see somewhere else, somewhere where people still LIVED. Once you've seen it, this country's intolerable. It's gone, It's a supermarket end to end, there's nothing here!
I digress, but I really don;t get what people are so proud of. Blind Island Monkeys.
Freedom of UNEMPLOYMENT, more like. Free movement of people has resulted in an abundance of low-cost workers that helped push down wages over the whole of the EU. Of course Big Market loves this.
Dear Barman, Can you please explain the "insult" shopkeepers?
It seems to me that neither TFA nor its linked articles are naming the legal basis on which the UK could "veto" or "block" an EU law, voted by the EU parliament.
AFAIK, they might delay its transcription into national law, and get sanctions, or simply not have to apply it due to exception rules from EU treaties, but I doubt they can veto and prevent it to be applied to the rest of the EU.
If someone knows of such possibility, I'd be glad to have the reference!
UK acts as a US' fifth colony in the EU in the net neutrality manner, they just push any agenda US benefits from. I guess this aligns with the upcoming TTIP FTA between US and EU and it's a way to assert US' interests via UK as a proxy.
1 - access to the market does not require political union. See also: 17 other posts on this topic
2 - Freedom of movement is leading to heavy overpopulation of England, causing infrastructure issues and contributing to a housing price boom. I'd rather have to get a visa to visit the rest of Europe and greatly reduce the net migration that's causing population issues
3 - Global standards are viable without political union. A common regulatory framework may be an advantage in some areas but not others. Right now there's no choice about which regulations with which to comply, and very unequal enforcement. See also the prejudice against British beef despite farming standards being significantly higher than many other European nations
4 - The EU is welcome to be a major player in world politics, but the UK's managed fine as an independent player anyway. China could gobble up the EU with ease - shit, they could probably bankrupt it purely by withholding certain natural resources
5 - 70 years of peace predates the EU, generously ignores the break-up of Yugoslavia and seems to forget the current issues in the Ukraine. As for prosperity, I seem to recall some news articles recently about Greece, Spain, Ireland, Cyprus...
No, you're not a random Brit. You're a random Europhile that seems to misunderstand the British perspective entirely. Most Brits don't want political union, have never had the opportunity to vote on it, resent the way we're treated by the EU, resent paying for it all and would greatly prefer a trade agreement only.
I'm not sure where that 'sulking' is part of this, unless that's your definition for "not letting a Franco-German agreement fuck us over AGAIN".
And look how successful the current blocking is - proxybay gets through every time after a couple of clicks - So, really, even if the UK opts out of net neutrality I'm not at all sure whether they will be able to enforce their filters or blocking. Surely folks will just switch around as the Pirate Bay does now, unless they have a half million strong team of people checking every new domain that pops up, how are they going to stay ontop of it? I won't make a piss of difference to illegal content, Peter the Paedo will simply post his hideous wares under "gardenshed.za" and there it will sit. ...I mean, he's not going to post it under "TEN YEAR OLD CHILD PORN" is he? So unless they code some incredible software that can determine the age of a person in a jpg file - how is any of this going to make a difference to illegal content? I don't buy it. :D.
So, yes, any such control is clearly for another reason, I would hazard a guess at that being a commercial one - an ability to block the Adblock site for instance
I'm a Random Brit and I agree with this post.
The amendment made it so that only a court order would allow for the banning of content, and not a legislative provision, as originally proposed, according to RT. "We do not support any proposals that mean we cannot enforce our laws,"
I find it fascinating when politicians assert that they can tell when something is illegal without consulting the courts. Just what exactly do they think the courts are for? Here's a hint; think about the word, "judge," and what it means as a verb.
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> position to annoy France
Also the real reason we are in the EU.
At issue is a new provision that critics argue would restrict the British government’s “ability to block illegal material.”
So, the provision would only restrict the blocking done by the British but not that by anybody else. Genius!
Yes, I can travel to any country in Europe without a Visa. Even better, when I get to Europe I can travel from from Spain to Slovakia without a passport. The only people demanding my passport, is the UK. I can fly to Ibiza, or the balearics, or Greece for my summer holiday without a Visa.
I can swap my Pounds for Euros, and travel from Spain to Slovakia without having to change another currency
I can buy a "Class One" banana in Tesco, or Sainsburys, or Aldi and know that they are all about the same size and weight.
We've not had a war against Germany since the EEC/EU was implemented. That's got to be a big bonus.
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I think the GP meant benefits that the other EU states by allowing the UK to remain in the EU. There is quite a bit of trade, but presumably if we left there would be some (inferior) trade treaties put in place so it wouldn't dry up completely. It might actually benefit them as companies like Nissan move their factories back into the EU.
Overall I think we are all better off together, but I still find the UK's whiny bitching about everything quite embarrassing and counter-productive.
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*sigh* Yet more FUD on network neutrality.
The amendment made it so that only a court order would allow for the banning of content, and not a legislative provision, as originally proposed, according to RT.
Network neutrality has nothing to do with the ability or inability to block sites via court orders or legislation. Neutrality is about companies intentionally slowing traffic or charging 3rd-parties special fees to access their network. Every time a NN law comes out, someone says "oh, but this law prevents X" where X is something totally arbitrary and random. "Oh, network neutrality won't let us block illegal sites" or "network neutrality won't let us upgrade our network" or "network neutrality prevents us from offering streaming services" or some other such nonsense.
Dear UK...you had a chance to "think of the children" when you put Gary Glitter on trial. Nuff Said.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
I am one and I agree. We have Chav politics for Chav people.
The place is run by the tabloid press and whatever the latest Witch hunt happens to be. It suits the wealthy for the plebs to be at each others throats demanding jack boots on their own freedom. Bread and circuses.
You couldn't make it up - Foaming mob demanding the death of Pediatricians force Government to disconnect the internet and replace it with Disney, Netflix and Sesame Street.
Having said that, the enlightened Australian equivalent has already installed their own great firewall of China "The web filter will also block access to websites about politically sensitive issues which have changing criminality statuses e.g., euthanasia and abortion".
Enjoy your totalitarian prison convict.
This is one of the issues that make me want to vote yes in the independence referendum. The only problem is Wee Eck and the SNP are just as bad (Im sure a censored net will be their top priority if they win).
The only winning move is to get the hell off this damp, expensive, nanny-state island.
"returning to find the outside of her property daubed with the words "paedo""
Is hardly a foaming mob demanding her death. Ironic that the so called mobs were whipped up by an Australian owned newspaper.
Plus this was fourteen years ago, but I suppose there's no pleasing a colonial convict with a chip on their shoulder.
The old UK definition of a life jacket had a pretty good chance of keeping you afloat and the right way up even when unconscious. The EU definition does not.
Which is why the UK should be using its veto power wisely instead of wasting it on non-issues like net neutrality.
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Overall I think we are all better off together, but I still find the UK's whiny bitching about everything quite embarrassing and counter-productive.
I blame the papers and their agenda, if we actually banned those, people would be more informed as standard.
We've not had a war against Germany since the EEC/EU was implemented. That's got to be a big bonus.
Exactly. Third time lucky.
Only when we could no longer send them to North America.
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There was a guy last year who was accused of being a pedophile (the British really need to learn the differences between a pedophile, ephebophile and child molester, and that being a pedophile is not a crime, otherwise, it would be a crime to be a misanthrope or a sociopath, anyway...) was dragged from his house, beaten to death, and his body set fire too.
All he did was take photos of kids vandalizing his property to take to the authorities.
However, reading Wikipedia a while ago I stumbled on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Stages_of_genocide.2C_influences_leading_to_genocide.2C_and_efforts_to_prevent_it
Apply these eight stages to people who've been accused of being pedophiles and child molesters and it more or less rings true.
1. Classification - People are divided into "us and them".
2. Symbolization - "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..."
3. Dehumanization - "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects, or diseases." (This is more or less what they do.)
4. Organization - "Genocide is always organized... Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..." (Vigilante groups. There's one called "Letz go hunting" iirc.)
5. Polarization - "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..." (The Daily Mail)
6. Preparation - "Victims are identified and separated out..."
7. Extermination - "It is 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human". (See the paragraph above)
8. Denial - "The perpetrators... deny that they committed any crimes..." (The Daily Mail demanded that the two people who murdered the man above be aquitted because what they did was "in the nations best interests.")
In my opinion, the British (not all, however) are a genocidal lot. It's sad, really.
With friends like that, who need enemies?
Automatic work visas for all the Linux people in Ireland, where the pay is shite, to get jobs in Switzerland?
Did I miss a memo? Since when is Switzerland a member of the EU?
get a judge to give the go ahead to remove child porn.
Guess that mean we know who has been bought.
He just finished a game of Europa Universalis IV that had a dominant Albania.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
Are there any benefits that a random British person could point out, that are the result of UK being in the EU?
As a random British person I can say that the major benefit was that it made it easy for me to leave the UK and get a job (and eventualy start a company) in the EU.
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Benefits to the EU? we are one of the FEW countries who actually put in more than we take out.
Where "few" means 13.
And of the 13 net contributors the UK is the third smallest per capita. Cypriots pay almost as much as Brits (123 EUR vs 159 EUR).
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Go on, name one of their human rights that you don't actually want.
Few people want fewer rights for themselves, but many want fewer rights for "other" people.
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Well, the day the UK decides to leave is the day I start my naturalisation process here in France.
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Without sane voices (UK and Denmark amongst others) suggesting a slower expansion
A-historical bullshit. It was the UK (and, to some extent Germany) that forced the rapid expansion (wider not deeper) and it was France (or, to be more exact Sarkozy) that stopped Turkeys entry.
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Because every 'small' country (California probably has a GDP around that of Mexico's...) is immediately annexed by its neighbours. I didn't think I needed to specify that benefits had the be remotely realistic to stop people posting nonsense points ;)
a vote yes on the 18th is NOT a vote for wee fat eck. vote yes to rid us of westminster and especially the undemocratic house of lords. I'm hoping we vote yes and then we get to become a republic and have complete electoral reform that removes our political overlords and hands power back to we the people. --- sorry for going off topic.
Given that most of the anti-EU sentiment in the UK has been whipped up by anti-immigration types complaining that the UK doesn't control it's own borders, I think we'd have to expect new barriers to moving in and out of the UK. For many anti-EU people here, limiting free movement and kicking out foreigners seems to be the whole point of leaving the EU. I think a lot of the political mainstream would themselves want to pretty much recreate the EU membership in other treaties, but would be under a lot of pressure to limit movement from the anti-EU public and parties. And I'm sure the EU would be anxious to respond in kind.
Yes, quite right. Let's have something a bit more modern, shall we?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478285/Innocent-man-burned-death-vigilante-neighbours-mistook-paedophile.html
"An innocent man was viciously beaten and then burned to death by vigilante neighbours who wrongly believed rumours that he was a paedophile."
Almost a year ago.
The only real reason the UK wants to get out of the EU is because they're xenophobic.
They have an overwhelming fear and hatred of change, and all things alien.
"Fucking Poles, coming over here, taking our jobs!"
I think we should ban the British from living and working in other countries if that's their attitude. Or, do they enjoy being hypocrites?
If there has ever been a nation in need of hybrid vigor, it is England!
It's starting; Indian food is the only thing edible in England (Fish and Chips are the exception that proves the rule).
With a little luck, the pound will be the 'example currency' that finally forces fiscal reality on the national banks in America, the Euro zone and China. If it works the loss of the English economy will be a small price to pay. The Brits are in the vanguard for a change (no colonialists to use as cannon fodder this time); more debt, higher spending and lower growth then America or the EU. The Pound sterling is the canary in the coal mine.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Four digits.
8mm film loops.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Giving the EU credit for worldwide nuclear deterrence.
You haven't fought among yourselves in any big way because the Ruskys and Americans were staring each other down in your backyard.
Also UK and France are nuclear armed.
The EU was _sold_ as lots of things, trade and common regulation area, peace zone, strength in numbers to counter the USA.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Nuclear armed Europe. Even India and Pakistan are having to grow the fuck up. The EU is late to the peace and unneeded.
Thank Oppenheimer.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The problem is that you have military alliance (the European bit of NATO) and an economic one (the EU) that sort of overlap but not perfectly.
The former have a "more the merrier" attitude because understandably they want a buffer between them & Russia.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Because every 'small' country (California probably has a GDP around that of Mexico's...) is immediately annexed by its neighbours. I didn't think I needed to specify that benefits had the be remotely realistic to stop people posting nonsense points ;)
Wikipedia has California's GDP ($1.96E9) 70% larger than Mexico's ($1.15E9).
At least we can spell it.
Please UK, get the fuck out of the EU! Nobody wants you, nobody needs you, nobody will miss you!
Without the constant, looming, overwhelming threat of child porn, you could not implement vast draconian measures against expression using child porn as the reason (even if the restrictions have nothing to do with it past the title).
That's like asking America to 'win' or end the war on terrorism. Why would they ever wish that?
Let's all take a moment to accept that fact. I tried desperately not to reach that conclusion but that's just the way it is - the way they want it. I'm sorry they're the worst crappest genocidal dogs of people on the planet...
Please f*$k off and die.And take Pierce Morgan with you. Enough!
Do a little reading on the Tobin Tax proposals. Thorough analysis shows that it will do far more harm than good, even some of the proponents have come around to that reality.
..be ruled from Brussels or join the USA?
No, I admit that I was wrong. Just leave the EU, I don't really give a fuck what you do next. But stop trying to get all of the benefits and none of the burdens by carving out exception after exception for yourself, and pushing your prudish morals on all of Europe by sabotaging a crucial Internet freedom law just so you can stop citizens from looking at titties.
I seriously doubt the power will go to the people. When has that ever been the case?
They are just trying to a grip on emulating Comcast
Dear Barman, Can you please explain the "insult" shopkeepers?
Here you go
"Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
But deliberately so.
It's trivial to get a court order blocking XYZ website hosting illegal material. RIAA and MPAA do it all the time.
By only requiring executive order, the way is clear to ban websites containing such contentious issues as "dissent" and "democracy", etc etc.
"Think about the children" is a smokescreen. Judges wouldn't stand for banning a lot fo the stuff politicians are afraid of and the numpties in Westminster know it.
The actual crisis in the EU is greatly thanks to the Brits: Had the RBS not acquired our ABN Amro they would have surely been able to cope with their debts during the US credit crisis and damage would have been limited.
As for the Spanish real estate bubble, this was iniciated in a great part by the Brits and British banks buying and speculating with Spanish real estate in the costa driving prices up...
I have direct experience on both as I was working for the RBS during the financial crisis and also living in Spain during the bubble.
The whole situation of the European Union, that is nowadays nothing more than a finance-driven monster is a result of decades of pleasing the British, starting with Maggy Thatcher torpedoing any initiative that would have led to a better social infrastructure and therefore a mayor and better participation of the citizen of the involved countries in the EU and continuing in the same way until now.
They did however not veto the entry of Bulgaria and Romania two countries that nobody really knows what the fuck they are doing in the EU.
They are the mayor cause for the EU policy towards Russia as The City's banks host a large amount of cash of dubious origin taken out of their countries by the oligarchs.
And with regards to PI, guess who has the biggest interests and the biggest PI lobbies? You got it.
And if they at least had the decency to shut the fuck up. But no:
They British mob is constantly bitching about the EU, spitting out crap like "give us back our country" and playing the anti-European. Until now the British governments have been using this as a way of forcing the rest of the EU to play to their rules... but now they have overplayed their hand and this idiot Nigel Farage seems to be on the rise. Good so.
I just hope this guy becomes PM and takes England, Whales and Northern Ireland out of the EU (Scotland will be independent for then, Go Scots!) and this way we will have won three beautiful achievements:
1) Not having to listen anymore to the Brits crying and bitching about how the rest of the world is guilty of their own fuck ups
2) A better EU were we the citizen have something to say and can live in pace and privacy
3) Schadenfreude when the British mobs suddenly realises in their own pockets when they have to start paying dutys again.
Go Farage!!! Do us all a favour , Europe deserves better.
-- 29A the number of the Beast
Maybe this explains the state of US education.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."