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US May Prevent Chinese Hackers From Attending Def Con, Black Hat
Taco Cowboy (5327) links to a report from Reuters that says "Washington is considering using visa restrictions to prevent Chinese nationals from attending popular summer hacking conferences in Las Vegas as part of a broader effort to curb Chinese cyber espionage, a senior administration official said Saturday. The official said that Washington could use such visa restrictions and other measures to keep Chinese from attending the August Def Con and Black Hat events to maintain pressure on China after the United States this week charged five Chinese military officers with hacking into U.S. companies to steal trade secrets."
Good move US, isolate yourself from the rest of the world, so we don't have to do it.
See how that goes for you. Moves like this will only make the next Con's happen in a non totalitarian country, your loss.
PS: Isn't the 2nd amendment's sole purpose to prevent your government from acting against the people? Can you tell me what the f* you're waiting for?
Bar members of the Chinese military from attending. Even that is purely symbolic.
Someone should tell Obama that in American we don't bar people based on race or nationality alone.
Keep in mind. The US sets the standard. If we start doing things like this, don't whine when the China does the same thing. They could make the same case for any conference on any topic. If Americans come, they will steal XYZ.
In Soviet 'merica, the crooks jail you!
Pretty much. I'm sure people are going to froth at the mouth and all the rest until you post stories like this.
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Then we could stop buying goods from China and watch them collapse.
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The only solid (and court-tested) proof exists on the Chinese against the US (and about every First World country).
Snowden will only count when he and his case comes before a US court. Until then, any statements, materials, or positions held by him / his supporters are only conjecture.
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When the US govt starts dictating who is allowed to come to your conferences you need to move the conference. Same as the AIDS research conferences have been held anywhere except the US since the 80s because from 1987 to 2009 the US govt banned people with AIDS from traveling to the US.
Why are they singling out the Chinese? Don't throw statistics at me. There are French, Israeli, Egyptian, South Korean, Japanese, and on down the line who've hacked facets of the US Government and US Companies. If you're going to go down this road, you have to disallow everyone. I'm not saying you should go down this road. Then again, I aspire to be a Chinese Citizen.
I mean those people create _actual_ harm.
China cannot harm people outside China in any significant way, and should they ever do, your local government would at least protest. However no western government ever protests against the US... even when they abduct people.
China doesn't even run large sigint installations in Germany the way the US does.
Pro Tip: Get a passport and travel around a bit. You'll find that there are bright people everywhere, and often they have indoor plumbing and stuff.
If you're telling an American to go travel, you'll first have to explain that there is part of the planet that is outside of US, Canada and Mexico . .. .. .. .. .. ..
- Then you should explain the concept that people outside of those 3 countries do not always speak English
- and that they have sovereign countries with laws differing from those of the US (1)
- and that getting there likely requires more than a car
- and that people outside of those 3 countries might not be Christian, or Muslims (2)
- and that Americans usually cannot bring their guns with them when traveling internationally (3)
- and that spending a week in Paris doesn't qualify as "seeing all of Europe"
In fact, while I commend the idea of getting more Americans to travel internationally, I suspect you're setting yourself up for a lot of hard work.
1: Judging from posts on Slashdot, the prevailing sentiment is that the World is subject to US laws
2: Judging from Fox News, those are the only 2 type of people in existence
3: See signs when passing from El Paso, US, to Ciudad Juarez, MX
Why china? you still need a visa, why not taiwan which is next door, or hong kong or somewhere else thats reasonably easy to get into.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
There's always the rest of the world(read: countries within the NATO-defined First World) that doesn't want the US's head on a plate.
Dude, I hate to disillusion you, but we ALL want your head on a plate. If you meet someone and they lead you to believe otherwise, you should try to recognize that he's talking out of both corners of his mouth in an effort to get something out of you. None of us like you. I was half tempted to say that, maybe, the Israeli's, but honestly, I'm confident they think of you as a self-absorbed pack of idiots whose only role is to be exploited.
This is not a troll. At least, it's not intended to be a troll. I genuinely am trying to set you straight, help bring your perspective a little closer to the realities that exist outside your borders.
The shit you guys are responsible for as a nation is not a joke. No one is laughing along with you.
Inside your country, you can divide things up into "The CIA did this, the NSA did that, I didn't do shit, I was just here minding my own business and paying my taxes.", and that flies with the people you meet on the street.
But then when Chinese hackers do something, you say "China did it."
That's how it is for the rest of us too. Without open warfare, you can't intrude into the inner workings of China and hold individual citizens accountable, you need to deal with the entire state, hold them accountable, and leave it to them to hold the individual citizens accountable, or not.
We can't intrude into the inner workings of America and hold individual citizens accountable, we need to deal with your entire state, hold you accountable, and leave it to you to hold the NSA accountable.
So, basically, everything your government does to the rest of us, you have done to the rest of us. You can argue about fairness and prejudice till you're blue in the face, but these are the power dynamics, and that's just how it is.
You seriously need to clean your house before the rest of the world is forced to come do it for you. If you don't realize just how precarious a position your government has put you in, you really need to wake up.
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you had me until breitbart
That's nice, now go read the article and what will you see? Oh that's right, an actual ICE report(including metrics) that lists what they've been doing. That was later picked up by some other news services, damn that reality check.
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What's funny is I had a green card when I was doing some work in the US back 12-15 years ago, and considered seriously becoming a US citizen(from Canada). What burns my ass, is that if I follow the rules I could be waiting upwards of a decade. While people who enter illegally can skip the entire process, get a pat on the head, and basically gloat in the face of the rule of law. What the purpose of even having the rule of law, if no one is going to enforce it? And at the very worst, actively work against it because of their ideology--instead of "doing it the correct way."
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Then I guess all the corporations who let China build cheap crap for the US are traitors? And everyone buying something "Made in China" is as well?
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