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Should We Eat Invasive Species?

The Washington Post's Energy & Environment section raises today the question of whether the best way to control certain invasive species is to eat them. The biggest success story on this front in the U.S. has been the lionfish; it destroys the habitat of some other fish in the areas where it's been introduced, but it turns out to be a palatable food fish, too. Its population has gone down since the start of a concerted effort to encourage it as a food, rather than just a nuisance. The article touches on invasive species of fish and crustaceans, but also land animals and plants. I know that garlic mustard (widespread in eastern U.S. forests) is tasty, and so are the blackberries all over Seattle.

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  1. On that note by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's hope the rest of the earth's species don't adopt this plan to control the invasive naked apes.

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    1. Re:On that note by TrekkieGod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's hope the rest of the earth's species don't adopt this plan to control the invasive naked apes.

      I assure you that they try. All the time.

      We're not at the top of the food chain because the other species are nice to us. Or because we're nice, for that matter.

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    2. Re:On that note by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's hope the rest of the earth's species don't adopt this plan to control the invasive naked apes.

      At a population level, the reverse might actually be true:

      One of the few tactics that any species large enough to gun down faster than it can reproduce, or touchy enough that you can just set its habitat on fire, can embrace to survive, and even thrive, is to be docile and tasty. Humans go crazy for that, and promptly allocate massive amounts of effort, and delicious calories, to encouraging your population to increase dramatically. Sure, then they put a captive-bolt stunner into your brain and chop you up for parts; but being a darwinian winner isn't about quality of life...

    3. Re:On that note by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Let's hope the rest of the earth's species don't adopt this plan to control the invasive naked apes.

      Homo sapiens is pretty tough prey. We're tough enough catch and kill on an individual basis, on a group basis it becomes virtually impossible, even if you take away our technology.

      The only predators that can kill humans in comparative safety are ambush predators (salt water crocodiles) and predators more adapted to their environment than we are (sharks). The former are probably the biggest man eaters on the planet and the latter don't regard us as optimal prey, because we're not energy dense enough for them (insert obese American joke here) when compared to their preferred prey.

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    4. Re:On that note by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plenty of species have benefited from humans without becoming primary sources of food for them. Easy example: Cats and Dogs. Other examples: Squirrels, pigeons, and rats.

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    5. Re:On that note by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      We are NOT on top of the foodchain. The housecat is. They have us trained to bring them food.

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    6. Re:On that note by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Other example: my roommate.

    7. Re:On that note by Jmc23 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yeah, a bunch of zombies walking around staring at the tiny screens in their hands while wearing earbuds. Real tough prey there.

      The only way humans would survive is IF you took their tech away!

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    8. Re:On that note by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

      Clearly you've never had your cat in your lap at the onset of a sudden summer thunderstorm...

    9. Re:On that note by evilviper · · Score: 3

      Homo sapiens is pretty tough prey.

      That's completely wrong, and any expert will say so. Without our technology and herd mentality, humans are VERY EASY prey.

      We have very low strength for our body mass. Compare us to chimps, cats, etc., and we're weaklings. We don't have any biological weapons to aide in our defense, either. We don't have long, hard and sharp claws, and our jaws aren't powerful enough, nor properly designed to make our teeth practical defensive weapons.

      Humans make difficult prey because of technology. We're well-fed, far away from wilderness, spending the overwhelming majority of our time inside defensive structures, out-of reach of predators, and when we are vulnerable, we have high tech items like knives, keys, or sharpened sticks which make very good defensive weapons. Our herd instinct means an injured individual will get immediate help rather than being food. And furthermore, we've eradicated the overwhelming majority of large predators that could, possibly predate upon us.

      You go out, naked, into the wilderness of Alaska, and see how you do up against the first grizzly bear or a pack of wolves you come across...

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    10. Re:On that note by warrax_666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here: http://www.ted.com/talks/bonni...

      Not being an expert in the field, I cannot vouch for its accuracy.

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    11. Re:On that note by dcollins117 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have you ever eaten squirrel? Stringy, gamy as hell and hardly any real meat to speak of.

      ... and the portions are so small.

    12. Re:On that note by qwak23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So without our defining characteristics, we're easy prey? Of course! Our intellect and its products (technology, shared learning, etc) are exactly what make us tough prey. Throwing someone into the wilderness of Alaska naked is not a realistic proposition, aside from the fact that our bodies aren't adapted to the cold (again, clothing is technology, and part of who we are), it's akin to taking away a snakes fangs and throwing them back into the wild.

      Some animals are born with physical defenses, some animals are born with the mental capacity to build physical defenses. The former are limited to the environments where their physical characteristics give them some advantage, the latter can put themselves in virtually any environment. Sure, some individuals would fare worse than others, but we wouldn't have spread to every corner of the planet without that ability.

    13. Re:On that note by Kittenman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you ever eaten squirrel? Stringy, gamy as hell and hardly any real meat to speak of.

      ... and the portions are so small.

      caution: may contain nuts

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  2. blackberries in seattle? I'm Shocked. Shocked by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    every year seattlites eat all the blackberries they can pick. The only thing that cut that down was when people began spraying them. But you cold not possibly get more people eating them, and that didn't dent the population in 50 years. On the otherhand no thinks of them as invasive in the sense they were not natural to live there. the pacifc northwest is berry country. Just a thorny nuisance you have to keep cut back when it encroaches walkways not unlike choking vines on trees.

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  3. Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Make their parts 'magical', like rhino horn and tiger penis.

  4. I'd go farther. Eat endangered species by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not in the wild but cultivated.

    The cow, the chicken, the pig... these animals have no natural habitat anymore really... yet are in no danger of dying of. Neither for that matter is the domesticated dog or the house cat or the gold fish.

    All small endangered animals can be bred as pets or food. By all means, protect their habitat in the wild but that is no guarantee that they will survive as a species. Maintain them as pets or food in our society though and they'll live as long as we continue to do that.

    As for large animals... encourage farmers to take care of a couple. Seriously, a cattle rancher could take in a few rhinos. Have a special pen for them. Make the whole thing tax deductible until there's some way to recoup the cost. These people breed BILLIONS of animals in captivity. We could do the same with rhinos, elephants, etc.

    Right now one of the things hurting these species is that its very hard to legally own them.

    An animal that belongs to no one will not be protected. We've seen this in Africa where the wild animals are prey for poachers. However, if you give the animals to the local villages and make the animal's survival the villager's responsibility they suddenly stop getting eaten or killed for their ivory.

    This is the solution.

    Anything else will likely harm these species more, waste time, waste money, and accomplish very little.

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    1. Re:I'd go farther. Eat endangered species by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As to domestication changing the species, yes but the species would survive. Furthermore, if you were so interested in maintaining a legacy strain you could literally select for known original phenotypes thus maintaining the species more exactly as it was found then nature would itself.

      No problem is insolvable.

      As to the jenga tower, there are SOME species that act in that way however most do not.

      For example, is the ferry shrimp found in muddy ditches in California essential to the california ecosystem? Obviously not. They could all go extinct tomorrow without so much as a ripple in our ecosystem.

      Species go extinct all the time and always have and frequently there are little if any ecological consequence because there is enormous redundancy in our ecosystem.

      There are exceptions but those exceptions are the exception.

      An example of just such a species would be the American wolf which did serve a vital role in maintaining the populations of native herd animals.

      The result of removing the wolf is that these herds do not maintain their scale naturally anymore.

      The fix was to allow hunting permits thus human hunters replace the wolf's role in the ecosystem. Sadly, those hunters have a different sensibility then the wolves. The wolves selected the small, the weak, the sick... and thus helped to keep the herds stronger by selecting effectively for the large, the strong, and the healthy.

      Human hunters tend to target animals that look impressive. Thus striking down many times the large, the strong, and the healthy contrary to what the wolves struck down. That is an issue and we should look into that. But it isn't insolvable.

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    2. Re:I'd go farther. Eat endangered species by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Precisely. A book that theorized on the issue was the Phillip K Dick book "do androids dream of electronic sheep" in which most species were maintained by human beings as a kind of social obligation. It was a mark of social status to own and care for an animal. And through that they maintained many animals that otherwise would have gone extinct.

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  5. Re:Ailens by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    we aren't using up any resource even in the short term. Helium? most of it just vented from natural gas wells, never collected. just a nat gas engineering problem. Potassium and phosphorous? 2.5% and 0.1% of lithosphere, just an chemical engineeing problem.

  6. Re:blackberries in seattle? I'm Shocked. Shocked by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is a solution to this problem: goats. Turn all that thorny nuisance into yummy meat and cheese.

  7. Nutria by spudnic · · Score: 4, Informative

    They tried this a couple of decades ago in South Louisiana with the nutria. It turns out people weren't waiting in line to eat real life ROUSes. (Rodents Of Unusual Size)

    Now the state offers a $5 bounty per nutria tail turned in.

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  8. Re:blackberries in seattle? I'm Shocked. Shocked by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given that 'being eaten' is the plan for plants that go to considerable metabolic expense to produce attractive fruits or berries, those probably aren't good candidates for this strategy. (Admittedly, humans probably excrete more of the seeds into the water treatment plant than birds do, so they probably aren't the ideal customer; but fruits are still the deliberately expendable seed carriers, not life-critical components.)

  9. Re:blackberries in seattle? I'm Shocked. Shocked by IonOtter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Blackberries can be controlled, you just have to invest a little time. Basically? When you pick, tie a small ribbon on the branch you got it from. At the end of the growing season, cut out anything with a ribbon on it, because that vine will never produce fruit again, it will only become a "stringer", which spreads to produce more vines.

    This way, the plant can be controlled and kept to one area. But again, you have to invest time, which not many people have a lot of these days.

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  10. Re:Don't see why not. by aevan · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's a Cantonese saying "Anything that walks, swims, crawls, or flies, with its back to heaven is edible.", used in South China. It backdates to the 1800s. It's been referenced in some cookbooks (e.g. "The Chinese Kitchen" by Eileen Yin-Fei Lo), and is known/used by some Chinese, and not others.

    Cue supposition based on some searching: the area traded heavily with the West during that time. Take the exotic delicacies and dishes concocted by chefs, add in a language/culture barrier,good old prejudice, and the loss of context in repetition...I can easily imagine it's a Western generalisation/mild slur that got repeated and adopted and over time became adopted as a regional motto of sorts (i.e. isn't 'known' in the Mandarin areas, just the Cantonese south).

    Could be waaay off though.

  11. Re:Himalayan Blackberries by wezelboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I loathe the Himalayan Blackberry. The berries, while large and numerous, are bland. They store a lot of energy in their roots quickly, so once they get a foothold, they send out shoots everywhere- especially after you cut them back.

    Goats are the best remedy. I had a single goat clear an acre of 8-10' tall bramble in a span of a few months. For good. They eat new shoots as soon as they appear until the blackberry roots have expended all their stored energy.

    If you don't have a goat, then you must remain vigilant. I have a zero tolerance policy towards blackberries. If I see one on my property, it dies.

  12. How about evangelical Christians? by AndyKron · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we eat evangelical Christians? They're pretty invasive.

  13. Just wait a few hundred years by lowkster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honey bees are an invasive species. They were brought to the Americas in the 1600's. Now people are panicking about colony collapse and trying to save this invasive species. I thought that is how nature works, life seeks out new and better environments to grow in. Does it matter if a bee is blown across the ocean by a hurricane or carried over by a Spaniard? Or if a mussel makes to the great lakes on the bottom of a tanker or on a piece of drift wood?

  14. Give Me More by JimSadler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Florida has a lovely python population and they can be eaten or made into boots. We have tilapia in abundance. We have the the snake head fish from the orient as well as peacock and rainbow bass and also some species of piranha. I welcome all of these invaders. We also have armadillos and iguanas both of which also are good eating. All in all i want more. I wish the jumping silver carp as well as the big head carp would invade Florida big time. Poison toads are killing a few pets but other that and one nasty, African snail that can actually eat the plaster off your exterior walls i tend to love the exotics. They are fun to catch and some get really large. And we don't even want to get into the good things that Kudzu vine can do if properly used. We have invasive bamboos which are also wonderful. Some items seen to be a curse tend to become valued. The dreaded zebra mussel in the Great Lakes has become a great food source for sturgeon and the water is cleaner for having them. Lampreys were cursed and considered an emergency and now people cook and eat lampreys. Frankly i think the fight against most invasive species simply creates jobs for public employees.

    1. Re:Give Me More by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frankly i think the fight against most invasive species simply creates jobs for public employees.

      That's easy to think because it's easy to forget about the species that we used to have, but don't any longer.I'm old, so I do remember the species we used to have back in the 60s. but are long gone, like the rock crab, which is way better eating than the tiny Asian shore crab that displaced it.

      Another thing to remember is that Florida is a very big state, so if you simply list all the edible invasive animals, it seems like a cornucopia. But if you look at the situation in habitat by habitat, the situation looks different.The problem these things is that they don't have native predators -- they overwhelm the resources within a habitat. That means you lose everything else in that habitat that was dependent, directly or indirectly, on resources consumed by the exotic. That includes many desirable native species.

      Take Tilapia. Of course the're edible, they're a popular aquaculture fish, but they're not *great* eating. They're like tofu: it's all about what you cook them *with*. When they take over a body of water, they displace native fish that are actually *better* eating. So instead of a nice bass, you end up catching a mediocre white fish you can buy cheaper than bait at the supermarket anyway.

      Or Asian carp. They are indeed edible, in fact good if you know how to prepare them, but they also displace many, many desirable native gamefish: bass, crappie, catfish, trout and salmon, all of which are superb eating. For a whole list of edible animals you might not be aware of, you get one in their place. That's a raw deal.

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  15. Re:blackberries in seattle? I'm Shocked. Shocked by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That sounds pretty complicated. I would just install a Blackberry Enterprise Server, and that would easily control all my blackberries.

  16. Re:blackberries in seattle? I'm Shocked. Shocked by Xtifr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Blackberries can be controlled

    Indeed! In our back yard, they are losing the battle against the ivy and bamboo! :)