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Overkill? LG Phone Has 2560x1440 Display, Laser Focusing

MojoKid (1002251) writes LG is probably getting a little tired of scraping for brand recognition versus big names like Samsung, Apple and Google. However, the company is also taking solace in the fact that their smartphone sales figures are heading for an all-time high in 2014, with an estimated 60 million units projected to be sold this year. LG's third iteration of their popular "G" line of flagship smartphones, simply dubbed the LG G3, is the culmination of all of the innovation the company has developed in previous devices to date, including its signature rear button layout, and a cutting-edge 5.5-inch QHD display that drives a resolution of 2560X1440 with a pixel density of 538 PPI. Not satisified with pixel overload, LG decide to equip their new smartphone with 'frickin' laser beams' to assist its 13MP camera in targeting subjects for auto-focus. The G3 performs well in the benchmarks with a Snapdragon 801 on board and no doubt its camera takes some great shots quickly and easily. However, it's questionable how much of that super high res 2560 display you can make use of on a 5.5-inch device.

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  1. I have an idea by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I was the lead product designer, I'd take things in a new direction. I'd stop making low quality phones that freeze up constantly and break all the time. That might grab some market share.

    1. Re:I have an idea by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

      That'll never work.

    2. Re:I have an idea by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Informative

      I own an LG phone. (Nexus 4). It never froze up or broke, in fact I like it a lot.

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  2. Google Cardboard by The+Raven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Google Cardboard, like the Oculus Rift, zooms in on the screen making some pixels very large. Perhaps this QHD resolution will look nicer than average when used as a Rift replacement? (note: I'm well aware that it will not actually be a good rift replacement, just that it's abnormally high pixel density could make a difference in extremely specific circumstances.)

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  3. Embarrasment by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Funny

    The principle reason to put 2560x1440 pixels on a phone is to further the embarrassment of monitor manufacturers who can only manage to get 1/4 of the pixels into a 19" screen.

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    1. Re:Embarrasment by MojoKid · · Score: 2

      HA! So true! And 4K desktop displays have a long way to go still as well.

    2. Re:Embarrasment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      With all that resolution, you could use Google to look up the difference between principle and principal.

    3. Re:Embarrasment by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The companies that are producing these incredibly pixel-dense phone screens are the same ones that are producing a lot of the panels for monitors. I think Samsung and LG are collectively responsible for about half of the global supply of LCD panels. A quick Google search shows that the top 4 companies make up roughly 80% - 85% of the market. They're probably perfectly happy making a healthy profit and not rocking the boat too much.

    4. Re:Embarrasment by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats not fair. It just isnt.
      Your not nice.

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    5. Re: Embarrasment by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Funny

      wewsch

    6. Re:Embarrasment by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The principle reason to put 2560x1440 pixels on a phone is to further the embarrassment of monitor manufacturers who can only manage to get 1/4 of the pixels into a 19" screen.

      Monitor manufacturers like, LG?

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    7. Re:Embarrasment by marciot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The principle reason to put 2560x1440 pixels on a phone is to further the embarrassment of monitor manufacturers who can only manage to get 1/4 of the pixels into a 19" screen.

      We will soon be better off buying a smart phone and a Fresnel lens instead of desktop monitor and our computers will begin to look a lot like the ones in the movie Brazil.

    8. Re:Embarrasment by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I have 2560x1600 on my desktop. Though it took me 30" to get that. If they can get 1080p (2k) in a 5.5", the 19" should be at 8k (or close to it), not less than the 5.5".

    9. Re:Embarrasment by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually smaller screens are easier to produce. Larger screens need to be perfect over a much larger area. A defect will write off a much larger chunk of silicon and glass. There is more to go wrong too, since you need more track to wire up all those widely spaced pixels. Things like propagation delay start to become a major problem too, so you end up with multiple controllers for different parts of the screen.

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  4. What? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this were a certain other high end phone manufacturer, the media would be falling over itself to explain how these improvements mark a new era in phone technology.

    The improvements seem reasonable and unless they add excessively to the cost there's no reason to criticize them.

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    1. Re:What? by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The improvements seem reasonable and unless they add excessively to the cost there's no reason to criticize them.

      As long as they don't shorten battery life, of course. That is still the Achilles heel of mobile devices, after all, and all those pixels likely increase the amount of processing needed to control them.

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  5. Give it a name by clickety6 · · Score: 2

    Galaxy, iPhone, Nexus and....G3.

    If you want recognition, give it a name - preferably a cool name, but at the very least something people can pronounce without sounding like they're playing Battleships.

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  6. Rangefinder handy for more than camera focusing by GGardner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know how accurate the laser would be for general purpose rangefinding, but if this device were available to apps in general, not just the camera, I could imagine all kind of interesting new apps one could develop.

    1. Re:Rangefinder handy for more than camera focusing by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. I do architectural work, including taking measurements of existing buildings. If I could use this to get a point cloud of a room it would be amazing. I'd be willing to start programming again if it meant being able to access even rudimentary data. While high accuracy is probably not in this, even +/-3" would be good for small places (up to, say 20-25 feet).

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  7. Specs On Paper & Buyer Mindset by Scot+Seese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is simply a stats arms race.

    Seeing how Android flagship makers are using someone else's OS and app ecosystem, the only two places they can differentiate their products are through custom OS skinning (horrible) and product tech specs.

    Considering how many Android users tend to be the "build your own PC" crowd who are hardcore gadget people, the specs bloat appeals to them.

    Meanwhile, Apple is selling a smartphone with a tiny less-than-HD screen, a processor that toddles along at a whisker over 1 GHz and a tiny 1400 MaH battery, and they're doing quite nicely for themselves.

    "Purpose Built" vs. "Specs in a Box" ?

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    1. Re:Specs On Paper & Buyer Mindset by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Considering how many Android users tend to be the "build your own PC" crowd who are hardcore gadget people, the specs bloat appeals to them.

      Oh... bullshit. There were almost 6 times as many Android devices sold last quarter than iOS. How are we still propagating the "Android is for geeks" line?

      Meanwhile, Apple is selling a smartphone with a tiny less-than-HD screen, a processor that toddles along at a whisker over 1 GHz and a tiny 1400 MaH battery, and they're doing quite nicely for themselves.

      Depends on how you look at it, in the States yes, but worldwide no, and Apple are rather in danger of getting left behind when horesepower does matter. Android isn't standing still, optimisations like ART may well give another speed bump. Apple make nice devices, but they're not immune to performance, and that'll get acknowledged eventually in the same way that we were told for years how the Power architecture was just as good as x86... until they switched.

    2. Re:Specs On Paper & Buyer Mindset by horza · · Score: 2

      RISC is not worse as a general purpose computer. They do not only offer gains in specific problem domains, they are a trade-off that are complementary to CISC. If storage is limited, or you have a very slow bottleneck getting to the CPU then CISC might be better. Generally RISC is better as single-cycle instructions means it is easier to parallise instructions and less expensive for branch prediction misses.

      Most CISC instruction sets are reduced to RISC micro-code within modern processors. Take a look at the silicon for any x86 CPU these days. This translator takes most of the transistors and consumes most of the power. It also makes them more expensive than RISC, which is why RISC is used in nearly every single mobile phone. Both Apple and LG use the ARM RISC instruction set for their CPU, AFAIK.

      However what you mean by CPU is actually the SoC (System on a Chip), which is effectively a computer on a chip. It integrates a lot of other specialist functions onto the chip such as graphics (GPU) and the latest 5S has hardware image processor built in. The bonus is reduced production cost and bottleneck. The penalty is reduced upgradability. The Apple chips are made by Samsung so I doubt they have anything Samsung doesn't know about on there.

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  8. Re:laser beam focus? sounds harmful... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    And where are our ancestors now? They're dead, that's where. AC is right, radiation is lethal!

  9. Probably not by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Probably not, given that most reviewers tend to focus on technical specs or other flashy points after spending perhaps a week with the device before moving on to something else. A lot of consumers are going to buy whatever costs them the least, even if they still end up paying the same ridiculous amount every month for a contract. Even then, a lot of them will take whatever the sales droid pushes on them.

    When Google still owned Motorola they tried to make some quality designs that had a lot more polish than the typical Android phone, but the sales didn't follow because it didn't have the bells and whistles that attract tech geeks or the type of people who fill buy based on some shiny, new feature. Similarly, none of the sales people were pushing it for any reason (usually some kind of kickback^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsales incentive) and so sales were poor and Google ended up dumping Motorola because they couldn't make a profit with the company.

    That and if they make a quality device that lasts for three years, they can't sell you a new phone after two. Why do you think so many of the manufacturers and carriers stop providing Android updates even though the device could easily support them or a different version of the essentially the same hardware is getting the update?

    1. Re:Probably not by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When Google still owned Motorola they tried to make some quality designs that had a lot more polish than the typical Android phone, but the sales didn't follow because it didn't have the bells and whistles that attract tech geeks

      Perhaps part of the problem was that (prior to Google ownership) Motorola had already put off many of the geeks by producing the most locked-down phones of any Android manufacturer.

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    2. Re:Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Motorola has actually seen a large amount of success with the Moto G (and is trying to expand further into the lower end of the market with the Moto E). http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-Moto-G-is-the-most-successful-Motorola-smartphone-of-all-time_id53190

    3. Re:Probably not by nadaou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Moto G is selling like hot cakes, and rightly so.

      Just maybe not in the US, but India and friends are a bigger market, at the G's lower price. With the self-inflicted implosion of Nokia a big gap in the market opened up over there. And it's a new market not an already saturated one.

      Google got the patent portfolio, which was what they were really after. Hardware isn't their core business so of course they'd move that part of the operation on at the first opportunity.

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    4. Re:Probably not by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When Google still owned Motorola they tried to make some quality designs that had a lot more polish than the typical Android phone.

      I don't consider phones without user replaceable batteries "quality design". For real quality oriented design, the goal should be "as long as a network exists". And considering that batteries are expected to last for about 3 years, they make for an obvious planned obsolescence.
      My old Nexus One is still in use today( although not my me and with a new battery) and there is no reason to dump it as it still works as well as it did when I bought it. The 2 or even 3 year smartphone is a pure fabrication. For normal (non-geek) people, keeping a smartphone for 5-10 years should be the norm.

    5. Re:Probably not by BillX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Still does. I just bought, and then returned, a Moto X after discovering that Motorola's "unlock your bootloader" page is a sham. Tried it on a brand-new, retail, unlocked device and got "Your device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking" . The better part of an hour going round in circles with their tech support and they are unable (or unwilling) to even state the criteria that would, theoretically, make a device "qualify".

      (An aside: While most companies might claim unlocking or rooting a device "could" void the warranty, it's usually with a wink and a nudge as long as the device is factory-restored before RMA'ing or at least not obviously bricked. A couple have software tamper flags that can likewise be reset. Motorola, on the other hand, uses the device serial # to generate and return - by email - a bootloader unlock code, and immediately blacklists the device for warranty service the moment they do so, whether you actually use the code or not.)

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  10. A koan for LG by kruach+aum · · Score: 2

    I do not eat with scalpel and fork.

  11. Re:laser beam focus? sounds harmful... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wonder if you can hack the laser rangefinder to work as a remote window listening device :)

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  12. Marketed for Asia? by chowdahhead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The best argument I've read is that the complex characters in the Korean, Japanese, and Chinese languages really benefit from higher density screens, even over what the G2 was providing last year.

    1. Re:Marketed for Asia? by raph · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Glad you like it. We don't do anything special, really. It's mostly just FreeType doing the rendering, and HarfBuzz doing the text layout. Hinting is turned off by default, though, as we find that looks a lot better once you get to 200dpi. A 2012 Nexus 7 is now considered a fairly low resolution device, even though its 216 dpi would be pretty amazing on a desktop.

      The new CFF renderer that's now open sourced and part of FreeType should make the rendering of CFF fonts a lot better.

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  13. This is why... by PeterMcAtomineyStrø · · Score: 2

    The reason you need that sort of resolution is to get the most out of Google Cardboard.

  14. Nobody tests RF ability anymore by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just once, I'd love to see some side by side comparisons of the end-to-end RF ability of these new phones. While voice calls, the kids tell me, are a thing of the past we are getting more and more dependent on data connections. And how you get data is via RF link. And yet I haven't even seen link quality mentioned in a single review for at least two generations of smart phones.

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    1. Re:Nobody tests RF ability anymore by EmperorArthur · · Score: 2

      Just once, I'd love to see some side by side comparisons of the end-to-end RF ability of these new phones. While voice calls, the kids tell me, are a thing of the past we are getting more and more dependent on data connections. And how you get data is via RF link. And yet I haven't even seen link quality mentioned in a single review for at least two generations of smart phones.

      The truth is that there are few radio manufacturers. If you have Verizon in the US then it's almost certainly going to be a Qualcom radio. The exact same Qualcom radio that are in all the other phones of the same generation. Kind of hard to differentiate yourself if the carrier forces you to use the same thing everything else is using.

      That brings up another point. Radios are carrier and region dependent. Verizon and Sprint use CDMA, while just about everyone else in the world (except Japan) use GSM. Worse, the US and Europe use different frequencies. I think most newer radios can handle them all, but that certainly wasn't true in the past.

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    2. Re:Nobody tests RF ability anymore by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Testing RF capability fairly is actually really difficult. You can't just put two phones next to each other on a desk and expect a fair comparison, because even within that distance the RF field varies and you can't control which channel the cell tower allocates to each either. The cell tower and phones also negotiate the lowest possible power link and again you have no easy way of seeing if one managed to link at lower power (because it is more sensitive) than the other.

      There are ways of testing this stuff, using expensive equipment in purpose built rooms, but tech web sites don't have access to it.

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    3. Re:Nobody tests RF ability anymore by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      No one tests them because doing so is actually quite irrelevant for the end user. One way of gauging devices ability to receive is to unplug the antenna and inject signals. Then you get the receiver sensitivity of the device. You'll find in the mobile phone industry the sensitivity will be almost identical across the board. There are relatively few vendors of chipsets which all the devices use.

      Then you're left with the quality of the antenna. Unfortunately one antenna may not be better or worse than another. Small chip antennas like the ones in phones are notoriously non-uniform in receiving pattern. They typically have gain profiles with all sorts of weird shapes and sideloabs.

      What would this mean for the end user? Do you prefer a universally equal antenna with gain in all directions which never works at the edge of coverage? Or would you prefer a device which has some gain in a weird shape which will work providing you're literally not holding it wrong? I take a dig at Apple's comments but the reality is true in the RF world. My phone (not an Apple device) has quite a poor signal right now. Moving or turning it slightly can result in a 6-12dB difference in gain.

      What benefit is it to the end user to know the RF performance of a device is slightly higher than another if you can decimate your signal just by taking one step?

  15. As someone who's profoundly nearsighted... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I'm feeling a bit smug about this development. I can hold it six inches away from my nose, peer under my glasses, and have the equivalent FOV and resolution of a 28-inch desktop display, handheld.

    Of course, if I want to do anything with it, I have to use my fingers, which appear the size of fireplace logs...

  16. Re:640KB ought to be enough for anyone by jd2112 · · Score: 2

    It seems that for a long time (say, up to 90s or 00s) it was believed that Gates said that 640KB thing. Then people did some research and didn't find any solid evidence of him saying that. So for some years people were reminded that "Gates never actually said that". But during the recent 5 years or so, talks about it being true after all have been coming back. I personally haven't followed the research much to know what's the current opinion. Hmm.

    At the time he is alleged to have made that statement, most versions of the then-dominant desktop OS, CP/M, were limited to a maximum of 64 KB. Weather or not he actually made that statement, at the time it would have been true.

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  17. Re:laser beam focus? sounds harmful... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wonder how well the laser works through glass or plastic windows, or other common transparent stuff you might want to take pictures through.

    Or underwater, 'cause, you know ... sharks.

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  18. Re:640KB ought to be enough for anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same Bill Gates who, as late as 1995, dismissed the internet as a fad? That Bill Gates?

  19. Re:Wait for tha Apple zealots... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

    "And a 4" screen is the optimal size... right up until this Fall when Apple releases the iPhone 6!"

  20. Re:Wait for tha Apple zealots... by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't remember that. But I do remember a number of Adroid vendors introducing displays with even higher PPI, and I do remember Apple losing control of the tablet market after introducing a product that had quadruple pixel count as essentially its only improvement, while regressing in battery life and weight.

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  21. Re:640KB ought to be enough for anyone by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    Would this be the same Bill Gates whose 1990s book "The Road Ahead" talked about how important the internet would be?

    Good thing you posted AC though so noone has to see you stuffing your foot in your mouth.

  22. Re:640KB ought to be enough for anyone by gargleblast · · Score: 2
    The very same. Do check the date on your copy of that book though. While the 1996 revised edition did somewhat embrace the internet, the 1995 first edition had this to say :

    The Internet, wrote Gates, is one of "the important precursors of the information highway," along with PCs, CD-ROMs, phone networks, and cable systems, but "none represents the actual information highway. ... today's Internet is not the information highway I imagine, although you can think of it as the beginning of the highway."

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  23. Re:640KB ought to be enough for anyone by TyFoN · · Score: 2

    And it was true.
    The internet in the early 90s was _slow_.
    I didn't get cable with 10 mbit until 1996ish, and even that was slow!