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Consciousness On-Off Switch Discovered Deep In Brain

An anonymous reader writes "One moment you're conscious, the next you're not. For the first time, researchers have switched off consciousness by electrically stimulating a single brain area. Although only tested in one person, the discovery suggests that a single area – the claustrum – might be integral to combining disparate brain activity into a seamless package of thoughts, sensations and emotions. It takes us a step closer to answering a problem that has confounded scientists and philosophers for millennia – namely how our conscious awareness arises. When the team zapped the area with high frequency electrical impulses, the woman lost consciousness. She stopped reading and stared blankly into space, she didn't respond to auditory or visual commands and her breathing slowed. As soon as the stimulation stopped, she immediately regained consciousness with no memory of the event. The same thing happened every time the area was stimulated during two days of experiments.

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  1. Wow! by rotorbudd · · Score: 5, Funny

    That sounds like the experiments that my wife has been doin

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    1. Re:Wow! by peragrin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes but your wife isn't using directed electrical signals to shut you down.

      Your wife is using directed Sound signals to shut down you down.

      completely different method. Definitely worth a separate patent.

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  2. Brain ZAP! by karnal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Citizen, you will be implanted with this brain massager free of charge. Please do not attempt to remove this device. That is all.

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    1. Re:Brain ZAP! by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hee hee! Oh I like that. Press the button again. Wait until he's chewing that spoonful. Now, replace the ice cream with castor oil. Let me press it! Let me press it!

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    2. Re:Brain ZAP! by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      The problem with dystopian theories like this is bullets are cheap. If you've subjugated the public to the point that you can force expensive brain surgery on them, why bother? Just shoot the people you don't like.

      Besides, there's a huge market for non-lethal weapons; if this works on everyone and incapacitates rapidly, government labs and defense contractors will be tripping over themselves to reproduce this effect through external stimulus. No surgery necessary. Woo...

      ...and, of course, the end result is police and militaries doing whatever the hell they please with the excuse that their phasers were set to stun.

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    3. Re: Brain ZAP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Dead people leave long tails of hatred. Chronically ill or crazy people leave long tails of sadness and dependency.

    4. Re:Brain ZAP! by mpeskett · · Score: 2

      If you spent most of your prison sentence unconscious, it would make any attempt at either punishment or rehabilitation impossible. Would still satisfy the "removing you from society" goal, and would still offer some deterrence (maybe not as much if prison was now closer to a null experience than an actively unpleasant one), but still... seems like defeating a large part of the point of imprisoning people

    5. Re:Brain ZAP! by ewibble · · Score: 2

      I think rehabilitation part of prison is a joke, you are much more likely to become indoctrinated than rehabilitated. So that leaves punishment, you could consider having X years of your life taken of you as a punishment, it doesn't stop you aging.

      This is a very scary concept, you could imprison anyone, take away there power argue, and still "feel good" about yourself because you didn't kill anyone.

       

    6. Re:Brain ZAP! by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The punishment would still be the fact that your are deprived of years of your life. I think it would still suck pretty hard to essentially wake up one morning and find yourself 10 years older.

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  3. but... by meglon · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...did it also coincide with the TV being turned on?

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    1. Re:but... by Kryptonut · · Score: 2

      Ah...You've got kids too huh?

    2. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a few. whichever ones i successfully snatched off the playground. usually the slowest runners.

    3. Re:but... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a few. whichever ones i successfully snatched off the playground. usually the slowest runners.

      In case you haven't heard, there's a more fun way of getting kids.

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    4. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not everyone can afford a jeep and a big net.

  4. Executive summary by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    So we have a bunch of male scientists who apparently didn't know about rufies.

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    1. Re:Executive summary by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      Can't they detect the hole in her head?

  5. This is scary by invictusvoyd · · Score: 2

    But needs deep brain electodes so I guess it wont be easy to pull off .. But with advances in implant devices , zzz (shivers )

    1. Re:This is scary by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you want to knock people unconscious, there are already less invasive ways of doing it, like general anesthesia. Though it would be interesting to know whether general anesthesia operates by a mechanism related to this one, or is doing something else.

    2. Re:This is scary by Livius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget implant devices. With enough mental training, Vulcans can stimulate this part of the humanoid brain just by pinching someone on the neck.

      (Luckily, humanoids have very similar physiology in their nervous systems.)

    3. Re:This is scary by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you want to knock people unconscious, there are already less invasive ways of doing it, like general anesthesia. Though it would be interesting to know whether general anesthesia operates by a mechanism related to this one, or is doing something else.

      They have no idea... http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/A-Ce/Anesthesia-General.html
      Having had anesthesia many times I think it is worse than most procedures. I feel fuzzy for months after GA. Still it's about the only game in town if someone is going to be carving on a person for medical reasons.

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    4. Re:This is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      General anathesia is actually quite dangerous. This could potentially make surgery a lot safer.

    5. Re:This is scary by FuzzNugget · · Score: 4, Informative

      General anesthetic is actually a lot more crude than most people think. It's essentially a short-term induced coma, that's why they need to jam a breathing tube down your throat and it feels like you just gave Satan a blowjob when they bring you out.

      This sounds like the first baby steps towards developing a drug-free method of dropping patients out of consciousness, maybe even with little to no side effects.

    6. Re:This is scary by danomac · · Score: 2

      This sounds like the first baby steps towards developing a drug-free method of dropping patients out of consciousness, maybe even with little to no side effects.

      Well, except for that hole in your head...

    7. Re: This is scary by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      look into the research from Walter Reed hospital - only part of the brain is asleep. The rest of the brain experiences everything and really screws a lot of people up. Always get general plus spinal.

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  6. Very promising ... vs Re:This is scary by khb · · Score: 2

    If it can be employed in surgery (putting aside the current implant requirement) it would be a surgical boon (might not be so good for anesthesiologists ;>)

    1. Re:Very promising ... vs Re:This is scary by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      Your head has very few pain receptors in it, neural surgery is pretty much painless after you get into the skull even with no anastasia at all, hence why they can probe the brain while you are full conscious and aware.

      So, no, it isn't going to hurt like blazes.

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    2. Re:Very promising ... vs Re:This is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      We've been doing all surgery with no Anastasia since 1918

  7. Consciousness by ThePeices · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Wow, if we discover the exact region and mechanism for how consciousness emerges from brain activity, then this, in my mind, is the final nail in the coffin of the Soul Hypothesis ( the religious explanation for consciousness being external to the brain, and as something that survives death ).

    Of course, the religionists will carp on about how this study is all a big conspiracy with science finding or some other claptrap, but for the rest of us, this could be a major discovery!

    1. Re:Consciousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, no it doesn't. It simply proves that consciousness can be externally shut off.

      I'm not going to go into actual religious discussion, save to say that this would have little if any impact on religion at all.

      It might be a good thing to actually learn about what it is you're trying to get rid of before you start commenting on it.

    2. Re:Consciousness by Sabriel · · Score: 2

      Why do you believe that consciousness must not emerge from brain activity for there to be a "soul"?
      Why do you believe that there must be a religious explanation for a "soul"?

      Whether or not there actually is a "soul", your provided definition of it doesn't require either of those to be true.

      And it would be no less a major discovery if we found that we did have souls. Or that only some of us did. Or that we only got them at a certain age. Or only under certain conditions. Or that we could create them. Or destroy them.

    3. Re:Consciousness by turp182 · · Score: 2

      How about this?

      The soul of an individual is composed of the direct and indirect memories people have of one, while living and after death.

      Most people's souls last two to three generations, and then we are just geat-great-grand-father Jason with no stories (I don't even know the names of my family that far back), forgotten other than by name, if lucky.

      Some people's souls live forever, those enshrined in history, such as Abraham Lincoln.

      That's how I see things.

      I'm around to have fun and provide for my family. And after a while I won't be. I really enjoy camping and playing guitar (mostly for myself, which is fine). So I bring my kids camping a lot and play guitar with/for them a lot (my 4 year old daughter requests Follow You Into the Dark, which I love to play). This is the purpose of life.

      I'm not perfect, no one is, but keeping things simple (seek for happiness for you and those around you, the happiness of those around you should be a focus with significant others and children).

      Anyway, the kids are in bed and the guitar is calling. Shameless self promotion, here's a cool video/song of my sunrise drive home on Father's Day this year (I asked for and received a day of solitary camping, it was fantastic):
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    4. Re:Consciousness by Salgat · · Score: 2

      I wasn't aware of the soul as being defined by that, at least for Christians/Jews the Bible barely makes any mention of its properties. Considering the "soul" is metaphysical, the explanation can be simply explained away as a supernatural copy of our state of mind that is restored after death in a new supernatural body. Who knows though, I sure as hell don't know anything about souls and to discuss it is pure guessing.

  8. Interesting, but N=1 and... by dhj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From TFA:

    Anil Seth, who studies consciousness at the University of Sussex, UK, warns that we have to be cautious when interpreting behaviour from a single case study. The woman was missing part of her hippocampus, which was removed to treat her epilepsy, so she doesn't represent a "normal" brain, he says.

    Normally a scientist will not ethically be able to put deep brain electrodes in a person, but this was likely part of a larger experiment related to the hippocampus surgery. It will be interesting to see if similar cases present similar behaviors and more interesting if the same thing happens in someone with a full hippocampus.

    1. Re:Interesting, but N=1 and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The original article seems to be conspicuously missing. Here is the pubmed reference (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24967698), but the link there is broken too and even browsing through the journal's archive doesn't bring up any reference to the article. Hopefully that gets fixed very soon.
      Also, back when I was PhD student in neuroscience Crick and Koch's idea that the claustrum was the seat of consciousness was one of my class's favorite jokes- if it turns out they were actually right I'm gonna be so f-ing mad.

    2. Re:Interesting, but N=1 and... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I find the whole think kind of surprising, since it is known that the whole brain doesn't go to sleep at the same time. Sleepwalking happens when part of it isn't asleep at all.

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  9. Can be stimulated via sternocleidomastoid by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been experimenting with this technique since the early 80s. It is possible to stimulate the claustrum via pressure along the sternocleidomastoid. By pinching this area it causes sympathetic nerve activity that can effective render someone unconscious. My colleague has perfected the technique to the point that he uses it at parties. Quite eerie, actually.

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    1. Re:Can be stimulated via sternocleidomastoid by paiute · · Score: 2, Funny

      Logical.

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    2. Re:Can be stimulated via sternocleidomastoid by blue+trane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Vulcan neck pinch?

    3. Re:Can be stimulated via sternocleidomastoid by blincoln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you sure that's the mechanism at work? "pressure along the sternocleidomastoid" sounds suspiciously like "put someone in a triangle choke/'sleeper hold'", which will cause them to pass out because it cuts off the blood supply to their brain.

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  10. Very promising ... vs Re:This is scary by NoseBag · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but the surgery is (usually) gonna hurt like blazes the instant the signal is stopped!

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  11. Re:Very interesting by quintesse · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know, should we find it *what* exactly, you didn't really state that. Surprising? No, it's not, that's indeed the survival instinct taking over. In general your breathing is not conscious, although we have conscious control unlike for example your heart. But in general it's not possible for example to hold your breath until you are dead. There are some ways to hold your breath until you pass out, but the moment you do you start breathing again. (All this AFAIK)

  12. Let's not jump to conclusions. by jaeztheangel · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Claustrum as an area of the brain has been well established as an area of orchestration of various sensory subsystems. It has been studied for over two centuries[1].

    These studies clearly demonstrate that the Cl is richly innervated with a wide and diverse array of neurotransmitters and neuromodulators. Lesion, stimulation and recording experiments demonstrate that the functional and physiologic capacity of the Cl is quite robust. A recurring theme of claustral function appears to be its involvement in sensorimotor integration. This may be expected of the Cl, given the degree of heterotopic, heterosensory convergence and its interconnectivity with the key subcortical nuclei and sensory cortical areas. The Cl remains a poorly understood and under investigated nucleus.

    It makes sense that a major loss of function is associated with interrupting the Claustrum - but there are several nuclii in the brain - the Hippocampus being one. Claiming it is the 'one true center of consciousness' in the brain doesn't account for the countless studies which reveal just how complex the operation of our neural networks actually are, and may be premature.

    References

    1. [1]The claustrum: a historical review of its anatomy, physiology, cytochemistry and functional significance. Edelstein LR1, Denaro FJ.

  13. Non Story by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

    This is a non-story. One subject? Really? Let's seen an actual study with multiple subjects and some deeper analysis into what might be going on. As it stands this is a non-story.

  14. Re:I've been wrong this whole time by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's the Zzz spot, not the G spot.

  15. an important unanswered question... by moogaloonie · · Score: 2

    Where does the soul end and where does the funk begin?

  16. Neuroplastic Heaven by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

    Girl: Did I fall asleep?

    Doctor: For a little while.

    Girl: Shall I go now.

    Doctor: If you like.

  17. Re:Finally! by iamacat · · Score: 2

    It's called marriage.

  18. Long Distance Flying by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Forget the comedy - this might be an invention that could make long distance flying bearable! Turn off your brain after take off and back on for landing with no memory of many hours of sitting in a tin can in between.

  19. Re:Very interesting by rhazz · · Score: 2

    In general your breathing is not conscious

    It is now, jerk!