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Georgia Tech Researchers Jailbreak iOS 7.1.2

mikejuk writes The constant war to jailbreak and patch iOS has taken another step in favor of the jailbreakers. Georgia Tech researchers have found a way to jailbreak the current version of iOS. What the Georgia Tech team has discovered is a way to break in by a multi-step attack. After analysing the patches put in place to stop previous attacks, the team worked out a sequence that would jailbreak any modern iPhone. The team stresses the importance of patching all of the threats, and not just closing one vulnerability and assuming that it renders others unusable as an attack method. It is claimed that the hack works with any iOS 7.1.2 using device including the iPhone 5s.
It is worth noting that the The Device Freedom Prize for an open source jailbreak of iOS7 is still unclaimed and stands at just over $30,000. The details are to be revealed at the forthcoming Black Hat USA (August 6 & 7 Las Vegas) in a session titled Exploiting Unpatched iOS Vulnerabilities for Fun and Profit:

136 comments

  1. Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Jailbreaking was cool when there was no Personal Hotspot mode on the iPhone... and other things Apple's App Store didn't allow at first. Thing is, what's in the Apple-disapproved and really useful file for the unofficial app stores to offer?

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Because if it is my phone, I want control. I bought it, I get root acces.

    2. Re:Why? by thieh · · Score: 1

      Then comes apps that refuses to run on a jailbreaked phone, and then comes VM's/chroot's that will run those apps, ad nauseam...

    3. Re:Why? by zr · · Score: 1

      for vast majority of people jailbreak, in fact, constitutes loss of control.

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For me, sending messages and making calls with a google voice number. It's not good at all with the official app, and it works great if you're jailbroken and you buy the required jailbreak apps to do it.

    5. Re:Why? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      You still can't get a NES emulator for iOS. Not sure if jailbreaking helps with this one though. The point is, there's a lot of apps that Apple won't allow to be published in the app store for one reason or another.

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    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-80. My second computer was a Commodore VIC 20. When I turned them on, they prompted me to program them. To me, a computer that fiercely fights attempts to program it is very difficult to comprehend. Which is why my phone and my tablet run Android.

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      f.lux https://justgetflux.com/

    8. Re:Why? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Because playing NES games on a touch screen would be so awesome ... NOT.

      The original point stands, nothing you'd actually want remains.

      I understand the 'because its my phone and I should have the fucking ability to do with it what I want' aspect, and its a valid one, but once you get past that theres no real reason to jailbreak.

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    9. Re:Why? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Why would an app refuse to run on a jailboken phone - unless it was made by Apple or your carrier specifically to try to incentivize you to stay on their leash.

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    10. Re:Why? by dugancent · · Score: 1

      I know the DirecTV app won't run. I've ran across a game as well.

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    11. Re: Why? by i_ate_god · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have an ipad. Full file system access is my number one reason for jail breaking. I can access any file on the device, share folders on a samba server, access any file on the sdcard reader.

      Now I can actually upload nef files from.my Nikon camera.

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    12. Re: Why? by tysonedwards · · Score: 2

      And there's other apps like Flex that gets around these restrictions with ease.

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    13. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "NES emulators" is a well known euphemism for piracy, doofus.

    14. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Facepalm. Just use a PC if you want to program.

    15. Re:Why? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      what's in the Apple-disapproved and really useful file for the unofficial app stores to offer?

      - Apps to enable the f'ing hotspot that the greedy as hell service provider won't allow you to turn on. (without paying them some idiotic fee to allow me to use my already capped data however I d*** well please.)
      - Full filesystem access
      - Add bluetooth capabilities Apple doesn't think anyone needs
      - WiFi scanning apps
      (I could go on...)

    16. Re: Why? by Chewbacon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Many of them evaluate the file system and determine the device is jailbroken. tsProtector fixes this by denying apps (you choose) file access. Makes apps that get cranky over jail breaking stfu and get back to work.

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    17. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize the ZX-80 and VIC 20 were both released in 1980 and short lived as they both were is irrelevant if your idea of a PC is what I think it is. The first version of Windows with a GUI interface did not come around until 1985ish.

    18. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Why do you need root access? What are you trying to install that isn't already there?

    19. Re:Why? by qpqp · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll bite.
      First and foremost: firewall and SSHd, then: nginx, python, perl, java, haskell, adblocker, ... Also the ability to edit and customize (hidden) settings, hosts file, themes, go fuck yourself, it's my computer and I do what I want with it.

    20. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      (I could go on...)

      Please do so... we need this list!

    21. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 0

      It's not your computer, it's your cell phone. That's more dangerous. If you saturate your cable modem, only your family notices. If you saturate LTE by disabling a cap, then your whole community notices!

    22. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why you hook up a WiiMote via Bluetooth, using the custom Bluetooth stack that had to be built for jailbroken iPhones because Apple cripples the bluetooth capabilities of its phone so much.

    23. Re:Why? by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's not your computer, it's your cell phone.

      An iPad comes with has the same restrictions as an iPhone. Or is the iPad not "your computer" either?

    24. Re:Why? by qpqp · · Score: 1

      It's not your computer, it's your cell phone.

      Speak for yourself, please!
      It might be a phone for you, for me, it's my portable, pocket-computer.
      Please do elaborate on what cap you're talking about, but if I want to saturate LTE (which I'm not using, btw), I'll saturate LTE from my own pocket (no pun intended); with or without a jailbreak.

    25. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      There hasn't been a legal NES game emulator yet.. Patents have lapsed, but nobody's done it without stealing code.

    26. Re:Why? by qpqp · · Score: 2

      Obviously, you're only supposed to consume fakebook and buy apps and music through it. Didn't you know? ;)
      Don't ever try to use it as a portable ARM development board with multi-touch.

    27. Re:Why? by tepples · · Score: 1

      How is it piracy to run any of these games?

    28. Re:Why? by ruir · · Score: 1

      ZX- and Commodore where *very* relevant, introduced generations to code, where architectures that you could fully grasp, and totally control. They had graphics far earlier than PCs. The concepts still live with many of us, professionals in they industry, and the processors are still used nowadays in the micro controlling industry. And many of us where cutting out teeth in unix and graphical interfaces before that piece of shit you talk from microsoft came along.

    29. Re:Why? by ruir · · Score: 1

      My first was a ZX-Spectrum 48K. Amazing machine, I knew it from the inside out, and programmed it into machine code almost like talking my mother tongue. I went out later on, and my final project was the first ZX Spectrum emulator for Windows.

    30. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that reasoning you don't own the device, just use it. And that's applicable if you only rent it - and that means that when you no longer need it you should mail it to Apple HQ for replacement and disposal.

    31. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't ever try to use it as a portable ARM development board with multi-touch.

      Oh, for that you'd buy a cheaper Android.

    32. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When can I play LockJaw on my NES emulator again?

    33. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calm down, buddy. I'm pretty sure he's saying the shortness of their lifespan was irrelevant, not the machines themselves.

    34. Re:Why? by XaXXon · · Score: 1

      i'm not paying extra to use the data I paid for how I want. AT&T wants me to. Jailbreak.

    35. Re:Why? by XaXXon · · Score: 1

      also I have no real choice in my selection of provider.

    36. Re:Why? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      pr0n. don't forget pr0n. the apple app store doesn't allow pr0n and similar apps. yes please!

    37. Re:Why? by Elbart · · Score: 0

      Why buy a device with a broken OS which you have to fix yourself?

    38. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of patents are you talking about?
      The treaty for Integrated circuit layout design protection doesn't apply to circuits developed before 1990. India didn't join until 2000 and Brazil somewhere 2007.
      You can clone the old chips as much as you like. Heck, even with the patents you are allowed to emulate them, the design patent laws regarding ICs is for direct clones of the stencil. Moving stuff around a bit makes it possible to sidestep it.
      Nintendo might have patent claims, that doesn't mean that they have a legal basis for them.

      Regarding code it can't be stolen. At most there can be copyright infringement going on but I've never seen anyone make a legit claim against that. Even in cases with closed source emulators that are based on older versions it appears as if the developers have the permission to use the code.

    39. Re:Why? by sjames · · Score: 1

      If you saturate your cable modem, only your family notices. If you saturate LTE by disabling a cap, then your whole community notices!

      Likewise if you mow the lawn at 3 AM or drive on the sidewalk. Solution: don't

      Solution recognizing that some people are assholes: put the cap in the modem part, allow root for the main CPUs OS. If someone abuses the network anyway, lock them out and if necessary, fine them.

    40. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think a cell phone isn't a computer? Well, you're wrong. The latest flagship phones from any of the major vendors have as much power as a supercomputer did 20 years ago. If an early 90s Cray was a computer so is your iPhone.

      I jailbreak for control, as others mentioned: Firewalls, ad blockers, tweaks, full-fledged BASH prompt, etc.
      I also do it to find out what Apple is going to add to iOS in ~2 years. With every new major version most of the big features have available in Cydia for at least a year. Apple has admitted to getting feature ideas from the JB community and even hired a coupe of Jailbreak developers.

      Don't want to jailbreak? Good. Don't bit don't get on my way.

    41. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The #1 use for jailbraking.. an adblocking hosts file on the phone to get rid if the massive amount of ad's shoveled at you daily.

      That alone delivers 9000% more control over your phone than anything else.

    42. Re:Why? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Are you being an uneducated tool and trying to say that Android is perfect.... because anyone that has any clue knows better.

      There is a reason I am running Cyanogenmod 11 DAILIES on my HTC ONE M8 and not the "perfect" android that HTC bastardized.

      Android is broken as hell, not by Google's design, but by their fault for letting carriers and handset makers BREAK android.

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    43. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM is an obvious reason. If you have root access you can read and modify an apps data files. Another reason is security. If your phone is jail broken then malicious apps have more access to your sensitive data.

    44. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still has a web browser. Why do you need a dedicated porn app?

    45. Re:Why? by tepples · · Score: 1

      LJ65 is expected to return once Mr. Pajitnov stops claiming that free software should never have existed because it destroys the market.

    46. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typically the reasoning is that 99.9% of people's reason for jailbreaking is to pirate apps, and that therefore the assumption is that if you're on a jailbroken phone, you've pirated it.

    47. Re: Why? by scarboni888 · · Score: 0

      If they want to own the phone then they shouldn't sell it to us!

    48. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where the fuck did you get all that from that statement? Jesus, sensitive much?

    49. Re:Why? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's not your computer, it's your cell phone.

      You are a moron

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    50. Re:Why? by zr · · Score: 1

      presence of ads does no more to user's control of the device than tv ads do with regard to control of the television set.

      what you're talking about is circumventing app owners' revenue source.

      whether you choose to think of that as shoplifting or "fighting the power" is your personal choice but at least don't confuse it with control.

      don't like ads? vote with your feet, buy ad-free apps. that _is_ control, btw.

    51. Re:Why? by gerardrj · · Score: 1

      Do you also "root" your car? I mean it has lots of computer controllers that you should have access to since you won the thing, right?

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    52. Re:Why? by dos1 · · Score: 1

      You obviously have no idea how mobile internet connection works, don't you?

    53. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not much. It's what I want to UNINSTALL (carrier and manufacturer bloatware and spyware) that's the problem.

    54. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a fucking stupid argument.

    55. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean it has lots of computer controllers

      My car is pure electro-mechanical glory without any computer parts.

    56. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      I have plenty of idea how a mobile connection works... I explained GSM to people who were arguing over TDMA and CDMA in at Syracuse University....

      There's a big difference between anything wireless and wired connections. Wired will always be faster to transmit data, wireless will always be faster to deploy.

      Think of how many TV channels you get over broadcast, compared to how many you can get over cable. Think of why DirecTV has to do more compression work (and degrade when weather is in the way) compared to cable TV. Wire allows an entire set of frequencies to be used. wireless is limited because it can't interfere with other things.

    57. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      That's exactly how the LTE system works these day... those who use too much are billed or throttled depending on what provider and rate card they subscribe to.

    58. Re:Why? by sjames · · Score: 1

      So what's the problem then?

    59. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Who's doing porn as an app in the jailbreak store? It's a website with video these days.

    60. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Are you on somebody else's bill? There's not very much area that doesn't have all four license holders to operate....

    61. Re:Why? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Who's doing porn as an app in the jailbreak store? It's a website with video these days.

      idk I bet there could be some cool pr0n games or maybe an adult chat app. The sky's the limit!

    62. Re:Why? by dos1 · · Score: 1

      But how's that on-topic? What "rooting a phone" has in common with "disabling LTE cap"? (whatever you mean by that)
      There is no "secret cap switch" that allows one to get ultra-speed while downgrading the connection to everyone else in neighborhood. The connection is managed by the modem with its own, closed and cryptographically signed firmware, which uses (or at least tries to use) 3GPP standards. It's completely unrelated to any "jailbreaking" or "rooting" that was discussed here.

      Actually, when mangling with modem, "saturating LTE" is something you'd worry about as a last thing. There are much better things to do when you for instance force downgrade to 2G on your neighbors - then you can apply all sorts of man-in-the-middle, eavesdropping, spoofing, DoS attacks and much more. Cellular networks are built with an assumption that only certified hardware can transmit on them - and a lot of modems and BTSes blindly trust that this is really the case (after all, when you start to transmit with modified modem, like TI Calypso with OsmocomBB, you're breaking the laws, cause modifying its firmware made its certification void).

      However, as I said, that has nothing to do with the concept of "jailbreaking" or "rooting". Maybe you know somehow the physical layer of GSM, but for sure don't really know how it's all implemented in modern smartphones.

    63. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many people do in fact "root" (or "chip" in car terms) their car computer to receive gains in performance and/or fuel economy.

    64. Re:Why? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      There doesn't need to be a communications tool just for porn-only, any general use tool can support porn.

      Porn games? How does that work?

  2. Why buy a product that you're going to jailbreak? by ottawanker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When are people going to stop buying products that they feel the need to jailbreak instead of buying unlocked or open alternatives? Keep rewarding the bad behaviour that you don't like, and you'll just get more of the same, except locked down even better.

  3. Extremely Useful by macs4all · · Score: 2

    Considering iOS7 is about to be replaced any day now.
    In Other News, Exploit gives unlimited Lives in Doom.

    1. Re: Extremely Useful by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

      Agreed. GA failed lesson one in jailbreak release 101: wait until the next major release comes out before you give away the exploit.

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    2. Re: Extremely Useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only applies if the exploit is for the version that hasn't been released yet (like iOS 8 for instance) so that you don't give them a chance to patch it before the final release. The OP is saying that a 7.1.2 exploit will in fact be useless once Apple stops allowing people to install 7.1.2. You missed his sarcasm and "agreed" with the exact opposite of his point.

    3. Re: Extremely Useful by plover · · Score: 1

      Agreed. GA failed lesson one in jailbreak release 101: wait until the next major release comes out before you give away the exploit.

      Actually, they figured out Advanced Jailbreak Releasing 301: advertise the hell out of the version that has been jailbroken, but give Apple no clue as to how to fix it. Allow as many as people as possible to download and install 7.1.2 in preparation for jailbreaking.

      Apple's pattern of responding to jailbreaks is very predictable: the day after someone announces the jailbreak, Apple will spring into action, releasing a patched version, and immediately preventing anyone from downloading or installing the now-vulnerable 7.1.2. This advertising campaign maximizes the vulnerability window in a way that Apple cannot yet prevent.

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    4. Re: Extremely Useful by macs4all · · Score: 1

      here.

    5. Re: Extremely Useful by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I don't know why my Reply got eaten by slashdot's horrible commenting system, but you can d/l old versions of iOS from here:

      http://techarrival.com/downloa...

  4. Aaaaand it's outdated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS 8 Betas are in full swing. Say what you will about Apple but I'm looking forward to a free major release upgrade that's full of new features and improvements. I got a lot of really good life out of my four and there's no reason I wont' see the same out of my 5s.

    I like android too but we all know getting major release updates always happens 6-12 months after the fact, if it every happens. Which it usually does not. I actually sold my ipad and purchased the 2013 nexus 7. (Notice how I picked up the ONLY device that will ever see lots of regular factory updates?) Just picked up the Nvidia sheild tablet too - That's a fun toy with lots of promise.

  5. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by thieh · · Score: 1

    Is that odd to say people want the option of jailbreak, not necessary right now? They might just want to exercise the choice at their own pleasure.

  6. why? isn't 7.1.2 already jail broken... by blahbooboo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Congrats on jailbreaking an os which is already jail broken?

    1. Re:why? isn't 7.1.2 already jail broken... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Yup, the Pangu team jailbroke 7.1.2 several weeks ago (I'm typing this on a jailbroken iPad Mini, actually).

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    2. Re:why? isn't 7.1.2 already jail broken... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The news isn't about the availability of a JB; it's about the presentation at Black Hat. The JB wasn't "just now" discovered or created. Further, in the presentation, the Georgia Tech (GT) team claimed that Pangu stole their methodology (and added malware, FWIW). It's unclear whether the GT researchers will release an implementation of their methodology at all.

  7. at least Iphone is now unlocked by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1, Informative

    at least Iphone is now unlocked

    not like the past where it was ATT only and roaming was $20 a MEG!!!

    1. Re:at least Iphone is now unlocked by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      not like the past where it was ATT only and roaming was $20 a MEG!!!

      That's cheap. That's $1/50K or so, or 2 cents a K.

      In a LOT of places, roaming data is charged 5 cents a K if you're on a plan, 20 cents if you're not. If you ever wonder why people can run up $20K bills, well, that's why.

      Anyhow, 7.1.2 jailbreak, I don't trust it. It's buy a Chinese firm wanting to sell pirated apps on iOS, and who knows what sorts of malware are on it (or if you can delete their virus-laden app store).

      It is one of the biggest things about jailbreaks - don't, and your phone's actually quite secure against malware. Do, and it's completely open (well, you get app sandboxing, but who knows if the app in question can't spawn a root task).

  8. Why jailbreak? by Hecatonchires · · Score: 2

    A browser that supports userscript extensions (greasemonkey). Bookmarklet just aren't good enough.

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  9. Re:Easy As 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Nexus or nothing. Fuck Samsung

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  11. Re:Easy As 1 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    If you customized your phone and made it worse, clearly the issue is that you suck at customizing. This time, try rooting the phone, removing the bloat, voice search, and excessive app permissions, and then don't add any other crap back.

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  13. Re:Easy As 1 by Fwipp · · Score: 1

    Yo. Just don't install the apps that need too many permissions. Then you don't gotta root your phone, and you won't fuck up your battery life.

    Sorry that you explicitly said "give me control" and proceeded to trash it.

  14. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by MrEdofCourse · · Score: 2

    "Why?"

    Because I'd rather have an iPhone than any other phone and an iPad than any other tablet. If they have to be jailed, then so be it. On the other hand, once I get my device, it's just that much better when it's jailbroken. I'm not rewarding bad behavior. Apple made their choice of how they wanted the platform to be, and most people are perfectly fine with that choice. My personal protest to the contrary wouldn't change one thing.

  15. Re:Easy As 1 by Cramer · · Score: 1

    By "customizing" he means "loaded CM on it" (or someother AOSP based build) that doesn't know how to be efficient.

  16. Re:Easy As 1 by Cramer · · Score: 1

    BS. You had to root it to get CM loaded. You could've stopped with rooting the stock firmware and used any of the HUNDREDS of apps and tweaks to disable the vendor bloat and security. (are we talking Samsung and KNOX perhaps. There are entire corners of the internet devoted to that shit.)

  17. Re:Easy As 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same. Every Android phone I've tried sucked, especially the battery life. cyanogenmod is definitely no help. It makes my Samsung battery go flat in a day and a half in standby mode! Windows phone is a joke (I wouldn't want of one for free), so that means I'll have to buy an iPhone next if I want a usable battery life I guess!

  18. Don't they have better things to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could be researching how to improve Internet security, fix the USB firmware security problem, build better encryption schemes, create artificial intelligence, etc. Why waste time on a fashion phone, when they could be doing real work to help the world?

  19. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by pla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When are people going to stop buying products that they feel the need to jailbreak instead of buying unlocked or open alternatives?

    As soon as my employer decides to offer a choice other than "windows or IOS", I'll take it.

    Until then, jailbreaking remains the only option.

  20. There's no app for that by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why do you need root access? What are you trying to install that isn't already there?

    I have compiled a list of such apps. For example, MozStumbler could never be ported to iOS because Apple refuses to make available any public API for enumerating nearby SSIDs.

  21. Get a JXD S5110B already by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you're going to hack up the operating system to pieces just to run an NES emulator, why not just run the emulator on an Android gaming tablet made by JXD in the first place?

  22. A different service provider by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm not ready to speak to other items on your list, but for the first, you could always switch to a different service provider that isn't "greedy as hell". It's not like the early days when AT&T had a monopoly on the iPhone.

    1. Re:A different service provider by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Right, because Verizon doesn't do this, or AT&T, or Sprint, or T-mobile. Bottom line, every major cellular operator in the US does this.

      Verizon was spanked litely for this. Yet they still do it. However, they aren't allowed to stop you from loading apps to enable it anyway. Except on an Apple device, where the provider lock cannot be broken on a stock device.

    2. Re:A different service provider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because Verizon doesn't do this, or AT&T, or Sprint, or T-mobile. Bottom line, every major cellular operator in the US does this.

      Verizon was spanked litely for this. Yet they still do it. However, they aren't allowed to stop you from loading apps to enable it anyway. Except on an Apple device, where the provider lock cannot be broken on a stock device.

      What are you talking about? Verizon iOS devices all have the mobile hotspot and have since the iPhone 5 came out on Verizon.

  23. Xposed by tepples · · Score: 1

    If CyanogenMod screws your Android device's battery life, you could always root your stock ROM and install Xposed Framework, which runs on top of your existing ROM.

    1. Re:Xposed by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      If CM screws your battery life, then adjust the performance settings to get it back. I easily got back my 2 day battery life on the M8 by simply going into the settings and restoring them to being over the top conservative.

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    2. Re:Xposed by tepples · · Score: 1

      Unless none of the performance settings in the relevant version of CM offer comparable battery consumption to stock. I imagine that some power saving technologies in some devices might not have suitable drivers in CM.

  24. Just don't install the apps by tepples · · Score: 1

    Yo. Just don't install the apps that need too many permissions.

    That's like saying "Just don't install the apps". Most apps not on F-Droid need a buttload of permissions just to run. And if it's a game, it almost certainly isn't on F-Droid.

  25. Calling APK by tepples · · Score: 1

    Jailbreaking does "improve Internet security" by letting a device's owner install a DNS blacklist.

  26. Has Verizon gotten wise to MyWi? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice that MyWi data rates are practically unusable now while Apple's regular mail and Safari apps have no trouble at all? Is it possible that Verizon can tell when you're trying to use your data plan through MyWi?

    1. Re:Has Verizon gotten wise to MyWi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone notice that MyWi data rates are practically unusable now while Apple's regular mail and Safari apps have no trouble at all? Is it possible that Verizon can tell when you're trying to use your data plan through MyWi?

      Actually, it is. Usually they check to see whether you're using a mobile browser to see if you're tethering. T-Mobile did this at one point for me, anyway.

  27. Mostly Off-topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jailbreak your e-ink Kindle to (1) change the ridiculous margin settings and (2) play interactive fiction (Zork, et al). The saddest part is that in trying to "protect" users that invariably all they do is encourage users to entirely bypass said protection or learn to live with whatever crippled, half-assed interface they develop. And I say this knowing full well that often enough what comes out of open source development is its own crippled, half-assed interface. But the very fact that you can change an open system means you have the opportunity to find an interface that works and for competition to naturally provide for the best interfaces to come to the surface.

    Market place of ideas and all that. Nah, let's live in a walled garden. Like the Chinese enjoy.

  28. Why bother? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1, Informative

    Really, why bother?

    You can buy an unlocked iPhone directly from Apple these days.

    1. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, why bother?

      You can buy an unlocked iPhone directly from Apple these days.

      You can buy an unlocked iPhone directly from Apple these days.

      Jailbreak is not the same as an unlock.

  29. Re:Easy As 1 by Elbart · · Score: 1

    Why is this rated -1?

  30. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When are people going to stop buying products that they feel the need to jailbreak instead of buying unlocked or open alternatives? Keep rewarding the bad behaviour that you don't like, and you'll just get more of the same, except locked down even better.

    Because the open alternatives well, suck. I've tried Android, and while ICS and JB are nice, they're also way too busy and don't work the way I want them to. Yes, I'm a geek, I love all the billion options it gives me to control it, but damn, I just want to use my phone as a phone. I don't want or care about themes, dynamic backgrounds, wallpapers, etc.

    Plus, I like the way iOS works. Android's got it's own UI, and I find I dislike it (it's gotten a lot better now, but the back button always throws me for a loop because I'm used to seeing back at the top left, while the back button is always at the bottom).

    Then there's whole Google thing. Sorry, Google's business plan involves gathering as much user information as possible.

    Finally - while iTunes sucks, there's a bunch of utility it provides, like backups. I can download IPA files on iTunes and install them on my iOS devices - even if the app gets banned or whatever, as long as I have a local copy, I can install it. Apple hasn't blocked any apps from running, nor have they force-removed apps. And iTunes backups DO work. Backing up on Android? Well, you have Ti Backup and other apps, but nothing by default. Hell, even iCloud backups work. Android backups for me just mean all my apps get reinstalled, but I lose all my data. Thanks, Google.

    Then there's the whole penis^H^H^H^H^Hscreen size thing. I find this enlarging screen size trend disappointing - I want a decent screen, decent CPU, decent RAM, and that entails buying flagships which are growing faster than the American waistline. I mean sure, 441dpi is a bit too much for me (I don't use the phone to my nose), so the 325-ish DPI of the "retina" display is perfectly adequate. Plus, I want real RGB, not pentile crap, and proper color calibration (AMOLED is impressive, but the colors generally oversaturate and are inaccurate). Android is rapidly moving away from being useful to me as an alternative.

    Sure if I wanted open I could use Linux, but Linux desktops are just plain old fugly to me. I develop on Linux, using Windows as a front end (X server for the odd X app, but otherwise a bunch of SSH windows and samba serving files for Gvim for Windows).

    Again, it's all personal preferences, and I know lots of people don't work that way.

    As for jailbreaking, well, the only must-have app I have on iOS is iP Firewall. It lets me control apps use of network - so I block ad servers and the like. (Yes, Android has the same functionality if you root).

    Estimates have around 10% of iOS users jailbreak, and unfortunately, it seems the largest use of jailbreaks are... installing pirated apps.

  31. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The vast majority of iOS users don't feel the need to jailbreak. I suppose your question was directed at the .05 % of users.

    Yes, they have a lot of explaining to do.

  32. Pangu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't the Pangu jailbreak already capable to jb iOS 7.12?

    Maybe it doesn't count, because they install some nastyware on your phone, but...

    1. Re:Pangu by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      they install some nastyware on your phone

      Any source on that? I'm using their JB and haven't found any reason why not to so far, but I'm always glad to read someone's analysis/complaints.

      --
      :x
  33. Re:Easy As 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please tell me how to uninstall all the HTC and AT&T baked in apps you cant "uninstall"

  34. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because they dont exist.

    All android phones are locked you have to root them to unlock them, and it's pretty much a similar amount of work. And now you have the Bullshit of S-ON and S-OFF on most android phones that requires you to use exploits to set Security off.

    Even buying a 100% unlocked version of the phone.... S-ON is set and you STILL have to exploit it to unlock it.

    So please tell me what phone can I buy that I already have root, and there is no security at all on the phone to stop me from installing whatever I want or whatever OS I want. Because they just do not exist outside of developer edition short run.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  35. T-Mobile plans already include tethering by tepples · · Score: 1

    T-Mobile plans already include tethering according to T-Mobile's page.

  36. Re: Easy As 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Root it first then use something like titanium backup.

  37. Perfect Scam by scarboni888 · · Score: 0

    All the disadvantages of renting and all the disadvantges of owning are yours when you purchase a walled-garden iOS device!

    Remember in 1984 when Apple had that superbowl-commercial against 'big brother'?

    Yeah well that was a promotion for THEIR freedom, not yours or mine.

  38. pangu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They found a way to jailbreak 7.1.2... which already has a public jailbreak. Bravo.

  39. Re:Easy As 1 by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Because Apple.

  40. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    S-ON/OFF is just an HTC thing.

    You do not have to exploit any Android phone to get root, because you do not have to exploit any Android phone to install another ROM on it. Just install a ROM that has root access and you will have root access - no exploits.

    You just have to unlock the bootloader with adb, which is not an exploit, but rather a feature. Then, load the new ROM with adb, which again is not an exploit.

    You can also load a new Radio without an exploit, as I did with my Nexus 4 phone. I loaded a hybrid modem that supports both HSPA+ and Band 4 LTE and now I have an LTE Nexus 4, again, with no exploits.

    The fact that you do not know how to use an Android phone does not mean it is "locked down" or "requires exploits" in order to use as root.

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  43. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you build a small device based on an RPI and use the phone just as a Dumb Internet Access Device ?

    Some day, we might even be able to control our devices ourselves, ya know.

    Consumerists do not need to reply. Thank you.

  44. Re:Easy As 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bloat is Google Play Services and removing the phone breaking parts is a total pita (Whilst keeping the desirable parts of it working like e.g the market / gmail).

    Eventually I think I will end up with a GED running AOSP Android and the Amazon Appstore just so it doesn't get worse and worse as time goes on. (At the moment I only have a few apps left on Google I have re bought most of them).

    As far as I am concerned its my device not Googles. (They seem to think and act otherwise).

  45. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they dont exist.

    All android phones are locked you have to root them to unlock them, and it's pretty much a similar amount of work. And now you have the Bullshit of S-ON and S-OFF on most android phones that requires you to use exploits to set Security off.

    Even buying a 100% unlocked version of the phone.... S-ON is set and you STILL have to exploit it to unlock it.

    So please tell me what phone can I buy that I already have root, and there is no security at all on the phone to stop me from installing whatever I want or whatever OS I want. Because they just do not exist outside of developer edition short run.

    Jolla.

  46. MOD PARENT DOWN! by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

    Moderators... why does this guy currently have a 2 and I have a 0 for Troll in this thread?

    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Well, if you'd like an answer, it's because your comment sounded more like pablum from a corporate tool than a well reasoned argument on a site where people understand that in fact, a smartphone is a computer.....and for that matter, so is a microwave, and if you can re-program it, that's cool. There's more to it than that: your post was so full of weird ideas (making phones un-rootable is a good solution to using too much bandwidth? Really?) that it was hard to believe you were serious.

      In fact, I'm still not sure you were serious.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  47. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Then why does a Friends LG phone have the SAME THING just under a different brand name?

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  48. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are people going to stop buying products that they feel the need to jailbreak instead of buying unlocked or open alternatives?

    The same day the Earth stops spinning. You can't use iOS apps outside of iOS. You can't use Android apps outside of Android. You can't use Windows programs outside of Windows. Well, not so well for any of the above to pretend that there's a viable alternative. Honestly, since people want (1) good [enough] hardware and (2) a pre-setup experience of software, it follows that invariably there's software platforms that are stuck on certain hardware that creates enough barrier to switch to some alternative. No one is immune to this because even if on principle you reject it all you're still effected by having many fewer choices.

    Keep rewarding the bad behaviour that you don't like, and you'll just get more of the same, except locked down even better.

    Which is more the nature of the oligarchy byproduct of economy of scale, word of mouth advertising leading to sufficient trust, and the general state that virtual no company is interested inherently in anything but locking down customers to their platform because of the above barrier to switch. Honestly, short of some legislation that makes it patently legal to jailbreak--to avoid the rent seeking that has happened--, there's little that can really be done at a pragmatic level.

    But, yea, keep on chanting the idea of voting with your dollar as if that alone is sufficient to change the world. At best, you'll have a small part in it just like other forms of voting...unless you're a billionaire. But, then, that's just another oligarchy with control and most often the very people who own said companies.

  49. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did vote with my dollar. I just didn't buy a cellphone.

  50. Re:Why buy a product that you're going to jailbrea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GP here. Me neither. But I did end up buying a cheap Chinese Android Tablet with a ready, relatively-easily flashed rooted firmware. Yet, never the less, there was that extra step. And it's a rather non-trivial task to actually modify said firmware and a time consuming task to reinstall all the apps/data (not horrible, really, but it's not as simple as "adb backup" and "adb restore" as not all data gets backed up) while you try to pare down the firmware to something you like. There's also the constant worry that you'll somehow permanently brick the device.

    And really, it's not just limited to your tablet or your game console which you may root/jailbreak/whatever. I try to jailbreak most devices I own precisely because I see so much more potential in most devices than what you're normally presented with. I was able to track down my Chinese MP3 player's firmware and alter the startup animation (it was a mono-2D bitmap rotated 90 degrees) to something personal. And from the code, I was able to deduce it actually supported OGG files. :)

    My point is, depending on how you define a jailbreak or a hack or whatever, there's just so little in the market for truly open options so you basically have to hack or jailbreak because not all the source is given or even if the source is the development environment is such a mess you're likely to never get the code to compile--and that's true often enough on PC open source stuff as well. Sure, the intentional software jails (aka "Walled Gardens") are especially bad, but they're just a further extension of what is probably already some sort of illegal to distribute online anyways (binary patches/patchers may be derivative works, so it's all likely illegal even without the DMCA's anti-circumvention provisions).

    Having said all that, I'd throw in my two cents on supporting something like the GCW0. Although even there it's clear that as much as the development situation isn't per se closed, there's enough risk of bricking that most people aren't doing much on the firmware (me included)--which is a shame since it's that area (support for tv out and usb otg) that's lacking most. The rest of it's just a decently good Linux system which is mostly easy to port 2D games to (so long as what you're doing is already 320x240 or smaller and is joystick controlled). It's hard to say where the future is with it, though. *shrug*