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Big Bang Actors To Earn $1M Per Episode

Cludge (981852) writes with a snippet from the BBC: "And rich they will be: With The Big Bang Theory commissioned until 2017, the show's three biggest names, Jim Parsons (Sheldon), Johnny Galecki (Leonard) and Kaley Cuoco (Penny) are guaranteed to earn $72m (£42.6m) each over the next three seasons. Unsurprisingly, the cost of producing the sitcom has spiraled." I wonder what that works out per line?

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  1. It's not that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    considering Miami Vice was pulling these kinds of numbers in the '80s. Granted, it was only for one actor, but still.

    1. Re:It's not that much by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      considering Miami Vice was pulling these kinds of numbers in the '80s. Granted, it was only for one actor, but still.

      Yes, and if you remember, the other lead actor was paid less well because he was rather less white, and he was rather pissed off about it, understandably.

      These star actors cost a lot, yes, but they also brought in a lot of money. So I suppose it was, and still is a sound investment.

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    2. Re:It's not that much by doug · · Score: 1

      considering Miami Vice was pulling these kinds of numbers in the '80s. Granted, it was only for one actor, but still.

      I think all 6 stars of Friends were pulling in $1M/episode at the end of its run. What was once outrageous is now common place. I guess that is progress of sorts.

    3. Re:It's not that much by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      The Simpsons cast has been pulling this down (and more, now) for quite some time. And the main cast of Friends did too, for a shorter time, but still. the main thing they both had going for them was they stuck together. It is an ensemble cast, and the cast negotiated as a unit. "Take all six of us, and pay us all he big bux, or we all six walk".

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    4. Re:It's not that much by edawstwin · · Score: 3

      Yes, and if you remember, the other lead actor was paid less well because he was rather less white

      If you think PMT was less-well-paid because he wasn't white, then you don't understand anything about TV. If people tuned in to watch PMT more than Don Johnson, he would have been paid more than Don Johnson. The truth is, Don Johnson and hot girls in bikinis were about the only reasons to tune into that show. Just about any decent actor (white or not) could have played Tubbs, and we wouldn't have cared.

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    5. Re:It's not that much by Ziggitz · · Score: 1

      The 6 main characters in Friends were also making a million an episode before the turn of the century.

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    6. Re:It's not that much by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Don Johnson had actually been on one good movie. 'A Boy and His Dog'.

      So he rated more.

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    7. Re:It's not that much by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if you remember, the other lead actor was paid less well because he was rather less white, and he was rather pissed off about it, understandably.

      Which is why I find it interesting that Simon Helberg and Kunal Nayyar's names were conspicuously absent from the list of million-dollar-an-episode actors. You know, appearances and all.

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    8. Re:It's not that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen 'A Boy and His Dog', and it was barely a step above Zardoz.

    9. Re:It's not that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too! I find it particularly conspicuous that the BBC report also says

      "Actors Simon Helberg and Kunal Nayyar are still involved in negotiations but are expected to settle shortly ... Parsons, Galecki and Cuoco had been negotiating with the studio together".

      Those damned racist Parsons, Galecki and Cuoco! You can tell they don't like them kikes and pakis either, eh?

      Or maybe, like, Helberg and Nayyar are negotiating independently, while the three main stars ganged up together. I think it's also quite conspicuous that Parsons, Galecki and Cuoco are the three main stars, so it makes some sense that if anyone on the show is paid significantly more than the others, it would be the three of them, and that the show could not survive a discrepency in pay between the three. Meaning that it makes sense from the studio's side that they deal with their main stars together, the second tier (Nayyar, Helberg) together, and then the third tier (Rauch, Biyalik) on a separate basis again.

    10. Re:It's not that much by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      Two and a Half Men star Charlie Sheenearned $1.25 million an episode at the end, with his comedy co-star Jon Cryer getting paid $550,000. Hugh Laurie earned $400,000 (£255,000) per ep in season 7.

      I'm consistently disappointed by TBBT, so this 1M/ep is rather surprising. Not worth it, other than to rely on a working formula...TV seasons are akin to movie sequels, in this aspect and they have nothing to replace it with.

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    11. Re:It's not that much by vandelais · · Score: 1

      Once a series is in syndication, its value has been substantially increased.

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    12. Re:It's not that much by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      They already renegotiated their contracts, in tandem. They are clearly not the main characters of the show.

    13. Re:It's not that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, inflation. $1M in 1980 would be equivalent to $3M today.

    14. Re:It's not that much by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      The Simpsons cast has a worse and worse negotiating position every year now...

      With 552 episodes in the can, and Gunsmoke set to be passed (for episodes) in a couple of years, they'll have achieved all the milestones they're going to, and they'll have enough back episodes to last forever.

      Someone who has never seen it before can get into The Simpsons now and watch a new episode every week for 10 years...

    15. Re:It's not that much by Bazman · · Score: 1

      Why watch one per year when you can cram that into 23 days or less if you watch via some ad-free on-demand service. 200 hours?

      No kid is going to wait a week to see an old episode of a show...

    16. Re:It's not that much by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      But Tubbs had the cooler outfits Just :-)

    17. Re:It's not that much by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Says more about you then anything else.

      There are a lot of terrible transfers out there. Don't accept the VHS quality, pan and scan shit.

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    18. Re:It's not that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save it for a night, when you need to get some sleep. It has the opposite effect on female, as a movie like "Ghost".

    19. Re:It's not that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You DARE to speak badly about Zardoz?

  2. Nerd Blackface by mythosaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The argument against is that BBT is, essentially, Nerd Blackface.

    The argument for BBT is that the material and situations are relateable, especially with the mainstreaming of geek culture (Dr. Who, BSG, Marvel films).

    Meh. It's funny. I watch. I read the vanity card at the end. I think they're all good actors - at least within the scope of the show.

    1. Re:Nerd Blackface by SQLGuru · · Score: 2

      Even early on, I recognized a very real effort to make the science real (and there have been articles stating as much). For this, I can tolerate the sharks they have jumped (such as introducing the girls and allowing Raj to speak to girls and what not). It became less nerdy and turned mainstream once it became popular -- it's very much a more traditional sitcom these days......but it's one of the more scientifically accurate shows on TV these days. Especially over the more "scientific" dramas that we love to lambaste (the CSI franchise and the like).

    2. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get over yourself. world full of crybabies.

    3. Re:Nerd Blackface by RobinH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pullleeeze. To even suggest that is to suggest that the persecution of nerds is equivalent to the persecution of African American minorities in the United States. Certainly nerds are persecuted, particularly in high school, but they are in no way equivalent. Besides, it's not like the show doesn't make fun of people who are "smart and good looking".

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    4. Re:Nerd Blackface by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Well, the "I know black people!" thing happens all the time, but I see your point. OTOH, "nerds" have pretty damned good prospects after high school, so crying oppression is a bit incredible.

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    5. Re:Nerd Blackface by Enry · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, GP is right about how the characters are treated. I've only watched a few episodes, but it looks like the main character (Sheldon) has some serious issues that need to be addressed with medication or counseling. To use it as a form of entertainment for others is just insulting to those who have those kinds of problems, and those that are supposed to have those kinds of problems and don't.

    6. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      One comment I've read sums it all: "Arrested Development was a smart show about dumb people. BBT is a dumb show about smart people".

    7. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pullleeeze. To even suggest that is to suggest that the persecution of nerds is equivalent to the persecution of African American minorities in the United States. Certainly nerds are persecuted, particularly in high school, but they are in no way equivalent. Besides, it's not like the show doesn't make fun of people who are "smart and good looking".

      Tell that to the parents of any "nerd" that has committed suicide due to the bullying. Go on. Straight to their face.

    8. Re:Nerd Blackface by Dins · · Score: 2

      As a self professed nerd/geek, the "Nerd Blackface" doesn't offend me, and I certainly don't feel "persecuted" by it. But I can't stand it in a TV show, and so I pretty much stopped watching after half an episode. That, and after many modern examples of sitcoms and half hour comedy shows without laugh tracks, I absolutely cannot stand shows with laugh tracks anymore.

    9. Re:Nerd Blackface by E-Rock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're talking about a fictional example, but Sheldon is highly successful, and seems quite happy with his life. He doesn't need to be medicated just because he doesn't meet stereotypical norms.

    10. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.
      It's pretty clear that all the major characters need counseling and Sheldon probably needs medication.
      Raj has psychological issues that physically prevent him from talking to women.
      Leonard has an Oedipus complex.
      Sheldon has some form of OCD and probably asperger syndrome.
      Howard has an inferiority complex that causes him to hang out with people who belittle him constantly.

    11. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The argument against is that BBT is, essentially, Nerd Blackface.

      That wouldn't be my argument against it. My argument is that it's not a good show. I don't find the characters relateable. I don't think it's particularly funny. It seems like someone took a very bland, unoriginal sitcom and attached a geek gimmick to try to make it interesting, but in my mind it fails. It's not interesting, and the geek gimmick doesn't really work.

      If you wanted to talk about it's problem with relation to "geek culture", I don't feel like it's right to say it's like "nerd blackface". I would argue the problem is more like, if you had a bunch of kids thinking that they understand urban black culture because they're listening to rap music, but the rap music they're listening to is Vanilla Ice.

      Sorry, no, you don't understand geeks and nerds and "geek culture" from watching Big Bang Theory. You don't understand comic books and Doctor Who from learning the references that the show uses. From the episodes that I've seen, the characters don't seem like authentic geeks and nerds. Not really. It mostly seems like a crappy "Friends" ripoff where the characters are all wearing nerd costumes and talking in nasal voices. I don't think it's mainstreaming geek culture, but more like jumping on the bandwagon of geek culture that has managed to mainstream itself.

      That's my take. I don't require that anyone else agrees.

    12. Re:Nerd Blackface by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Making fun of someone is still making fun of someone. Just because they can get a good job later on doesn't make it better.

    13. Re:Nerd Blackface by retchdog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe. But it ends, is my point. It ends, and one is rewarded relatively richly afterward (relative to one's intrinsic ability, of course, and subject to the vagaries of fortune).

      The discrimination against blacks (to whatever extent it is, and for whatever reason) is much more persistent.

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    14. Re:Nerd Blackface by onepoint · · Score: 1

      In reading this dialog, E-Rock points out the facts; if a person is happy, causing no harm to himself or others, then why should we change that person to our own liking.

      What I think frightens most people about the Character Sheldon is his bluntness, his desire to be as perfect as possible, and I think, his ability to like himself entirely without shame (I think that ability is the hardest for most people to achieve).

      And don't forget that Sheldon is very selfish in a very perfect way, a good example of this is in the episode where rocket fuel explodes, he did it so as not to get killed and secured a qualified paying renter and in case it's needed, he can rat out the other for blowing up the elevator.

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    15. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, GP is right about how the characters are treated. I've only watched a few episodes, but it looks like the main character (Sheldon) has some serious issues that need to be addressed with medication or counseling. To use it as a form of entertainment for others is just insulting to those who have those kinds of problems,

      Then you won't be reading slashdot any more either, right? Because the Sheldon Cooper characterizes epitomizes a significant fraction of the posts here - myopic, minimal empathy and a retreat to 'logic' that is really just selfish rationalization.

      Perhaps you haven't watched many sitcoms but the standard sitcom character is a stereotype that is greatly exaggerated for comedic effect. If they didn't do that with the characters it wouldn't be a situational comedy as all humor is rooted the misfortune of others.

    16. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making fun of someone is still making fun of someone. Just because they can get a good job later on doesn't make it better.

      Yes, actually it does.

    17. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think mainly Democrats say that.

    18. Re:Nerd Blackface by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3

      I would argue the problem is more like, if you had a bunch of kids thinking that they understand urban black culture because they're listening to rap music, but the rap music they're listening to is Vanilla Ice.

      Well most people would see that as satire and not that the elements of geekdom are to be taken literally as 100% true. There is a category for shows like that: documentaries. I would argue most TV shows does not follow subjects faithfully. Since you mentioned "Friends", I don't think people really believe that New Yorkers spend all of their time hanging out in a coffee shop. Chuck probably does not represent a true government agent any more than Will Smith was your average Bellaire teen.

      Personally I thought one of the funniest episodes was "The Alien Parasite Hypothesis" where Howard and Raj decide to settle a dispute by wrestling. In real life, two people angry at each other would have actually wrestled regardless of lack of skill instead of the hilarity of two nerds circling each other endlessly.

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    19. Re:Nerd Blackface by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      If the minimal rigors of (gasp) public education are enough to convince one to put an end to it, then they are probably better off leaving this world.

      Dude - people don't kill themselves because "learning is hard," they do it because of the way other people have treated them. Or a chemical imbalance.

      Sometimes it amazes me how ignorant the educated can be.

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    20. Re:Nerd Blackface by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a self professed nerd/geek, the "Nerd Blackface" doesn't offend me, and I certainly don't feel "persecuted" by it. But I can't stand it in a TV show, and so I pretty much stopped watching after half an episode. That, and after many modern examples of sitcoms and half hour comedy shows without laugh tracks, I absolutely cannot stand shows with laugh tracks anymore.

      (cue laugh track)

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    21. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We're talking about a fictional example, but Sheldon is highly successful, and seems quite happy with his life. He doesn't need to be medicated just because he doesn't meet stereotypical norms.

      This. The Sheldon character holds down a high paying job and manages to interact with an admittedly small circle of friends. He's already doing better than a good segment of the population. That his personality quirks should be wrung out of him through therapy and/or medication is more than a little offensive.

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    22. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      .
      Citation needed.

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    23. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree on the annoyance of laugh tracks, but TBBT is filmed in front of an audience, and it's the audience's actions you hear, not canned laughter.

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    24. Re:Nerd Blackface by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      any show with a laugh track (with the conspicuous exception of maybe Seinfeld) that has a laugh track is not funny. It's condescending.. "Hey dummy, this is funny, laugh!"

      Side note, there are two reasons to watch that show, and neither of them have to do Kaley Cuoco's acting ability. :(

    25. Re:Nerd Blackface by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      i wasn't talking about learning, dumbass. i meant the rigors of "bullying".

      and you wanted to give an example?

      The way your previous post was worded, it's perfectly reasonable for someone who actually understands English to presume you were implying the educational aspect, o Childish One. That you felt compelled to immediately attack with a playground epithet makes me wonder if you ever actually finished school yourself, from both a literally standpoint, as well as a metaphor for your intelligence level. The fact that you don't capitalize anything kind of leads me to think the former is a certainty.

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    26. Re:Nerd Blackface by AudioEfex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh please. I don't think many of you have ever seen a sitcom before.

      Sam Malone had a sex addiction problem. Monica Gellar had severe OCD. Roseanne had anger management issues.

      That's what's hilarious about the folks who cry about BBT - they take it so seriously because it hits a lot closer to home than they would like folks to believe and they simply don't have the ability to laugh at themselves.

      Did folks criticize Mary Tyler Moore Show for not being an accurate enough representation of life in a network news room? Probably, if they worked in one and didn't have a sense of humor.

      As to TFA, I'm very glad for them - they earned this - this show is going to bring in billions because of the syndicated deal, the hell is merchandised out of it as well (I was at a LCBS yesterday and they had an entire section of BBTS merch), and they are getting a small cut now. Is everyone on TV overpaid to some extent, sure. But comparatively, these are not outrageous salaries, particularly in this current climate of a hit TV show being as rare as it is, particularly on networks. If the entire industry is going to rake in such money, I'm glad that the folks in front of the camera who are largely responsible for my enjoyment of the show as opposed to executives who just sit and approve shit.

    27. Re:Nerd Blackface by Geeky · · Score: 1

      My view is that suicide is a result of a mental illness. People go through all sorts of traumas, from bullying to severe medical conditions to grinding poverty and don't kill themselves. Those that do are ill, and I would consider suicide to be on a par with dying of a disease. Just my view - I believe it takes more than circumstances alone.

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    28. Re:Nerd Blackface by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sheldon is one disfiguring accident away from being a Batman villain.

    29. Re:Nerd Blackface by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Then you won't be reading slashdot any more either, right? Because the Sheldon Cooper characterizes epitomizes a significant fraction of the posts here - myopic, minimal empathy and a retreat to 'logic' that is really just selfish rationalization.

      Thanks, I've been grappling with words for this for a while after having started to work in a really nerdy place. It's ok, but strangely aggravating, and you put it very well, especiall the last part. There's also no use in pointing it out to some people, it simply does not register, just like on /. sometimes.

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    30. Re:Nerd Blackface by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      The audience's actions being prompted by people with cue boards, etc., of course.

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    31. Re:Nerd Blackface by retchdog · · Score: 1

      I tentatively agree. I believe in the reality of mental disease, but I also believe in character and challenge. It would be pathological to medicate a problem away, and it would be pathological to expect a human environment to be free of cruelty.

      I do not know if there is a solution, or even if my beliefs are mutually consistent. Any more thoughts?

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    32. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're right but it seems to me to be more of a show for the whole "Do you even science?" crowd that can't sit down and have an intelligent discussion about science. I fucking hate hearing anything about it anymore.

    33. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half the actors are kinda geeks, tho not the huge mega geeks they portray.

    34. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fucking hell does "I was at a LCBS yesterday and they had an entire section of BBTS merch" mean? "I was at a Lesbian Canadian Bikini Sandpit yesterday and they had an entire section of Big Bang Theory Sand merch"?

    35. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, persecution of nerds TODAY is worse than the persecution of black americans.

    36. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In reading this dialog, E-Rock points out the facts; if a person is happy, causing no harm to himself or others, then why should we change that person to our own liking.

      Until that person's borderline sociopathy starts to affect other people...

    37. Re:Nerd Blackface by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Now if they could just put it on Netflix or Amazon Prime, I might actually try to watch an episode. People keep telling me I'd like it but I can't currently get it.

    38. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if you're watching shows where the laugh tracks have laugh tracks then you're scraping up the sludge from the bottom of the barrel.

    39. Re:Nerd Blackface by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I think the Raj speaking phobia joke played itself out, pure and simple. They had painted themselves into a box with him, especially as the direction of the show went from a Leonard/Sheldon/Penny-third-wheel show to a compare-and-contrast of all of their relationships...Leonard/Penny, Sheldon/Amy, Howard/Bernadette, Raj and the chick from Garfunkel and Oats...

    40. Re:Nerd Blackface by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      True, but it certainly doesn't sound like natural laughter. What's the betting they manipulate the laughs a lot - increasing the amount, adding them where there weren't any before, etc.

    41. Re:Nerd Blackface by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I chose the word "blackface" because it's about stereotyping, not about the persecution..

    42. Re:Nerd Blackface by Geeky · · Score: 1

      It's difficult because we understand so little about the mind that we can't really tell what falls within normal bounds and what is potentially damaging to the individual. particularly with regard to suicide. An analogy is blood pressure - we have what we call a normal range, and offer medication to individuals with abnormally high or low blood pressure. There is no well understood equivalent for behaviour. My belief, based on what I read, is that the trend in the USA has been to over medicate and smooth out behaviours that fall within normal boundaries, but as I say, that's based on media perception.

      Circumstances can certainly be a trigger, in the same way that underlying physical conditions, or some cancers, can be triggered. Not everyone who smokes will get lung cancer, but it increases the risk. Bullying may be similar for mental health problems. Anecdotally, I lost most of my hearing in one ear and now have constant tinnitus on that side. At the hospital, I was offered counselling as apparently the tinnitus can drive some sufferers to suicide. I'm lucky - I experience it as an inconvenience and can live with it.

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    43. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTOH, "nerds" have pretty damned good prospects after high school...

      Untrue. You're applying a limited stereotype to an entire group.

    44. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a genuine question, by the way. The only letters that make sense there are BBT for Big Bang Theory and even then I've got no clue whatsoever what the S would stand for, let alone LCBS.

    45. Re:Nerd Blackface by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      woah. recursive laugh tracks. Whoops =D

    46. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The audience's actions being prompted by people with cue boards, etc., of course.

      True, I've heard that, and I since I haven't personally been in a studio audience since The Dating Game, I'm not qualified to say what goes on there, but I've heard from someone who has been in the audience of TBBT that the audience generally ignores the signs and does whatever they want. That there are signs doesn't necessarily mean that the reactions aren't genuine.

      My preference would be no audience noises at all, but you can't have everything.

      To those who point to the few sitcoms that have no laugh track, I've noticed that the music tends to "react" in the right moments and I'm not convinced that's an improvement.

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    47. Re:Nerd Blackface by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps for the young and healthy.

      For the unhealthy, suicide can be a logical exit.

      Geeky, if you were going to be in severe pain for the rest of your life and drugs wouldn't help- you wouldn't be able to sleep more than 2 hours at a stretch without being woken up by the pain-- how long before suicide would seem like a rational way out.

      Not everyone's pain is physical.

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    48. Re:Nerd Blackface by retchdog · · Score: 1

      my opinion is that it is not just media perception; increasingly so recently. i am glad i was born when i was; i'd almost certainly be a ritalin kid these days, at best. it's a terrifying thought. not that it's necessarily wrong either way, but just the arbitrariness of it.

      i agree with the rest.

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    49. Re:Nerd Blackface by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Please elaborate.

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    50. Re:Nerd Blackface by drolli · · Score: 1

      As long as enough money to live a decent life arrives on my account for doing nerdish things related to physics, programming and engineering, i dont mind that at all.

       

    51. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on the sitcom, actually. A lot of UK sitcoms have been dispensing with the audio backing for well over a decade now -- one of the finest comedies of recent times was the original UK version of the Office which basically has no additional sound once the theme tune has ended. The nearest you get are shots of a printer clacking away to itself.

    52. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're suggesting that a comedy based on belittling a group of people who are often in their present predicament because of spending their lives being belittled by others is fair and reasonable, even a positive attribute?

      Perhaps you should try it.

      I spent my whole life at school being belittled by people in much the same way as the characters, and then I'd go home to a mother who did the very same thing. After he was unconsciously trained in how to do so, my brother also started doing it - he thought it was hilarious, and of course he was protected from the big evil bully me by our mother. The time he attacked me with a baseball bat, and I thrashed him for it? He told them how I attacked him with it, and I got the crap smacked out of me by my stepfather for doing it.

      Hell, the only reason I stopped getting beaten up by groups was because one day, one of the sports heroes of the school decided he was going to take me down for a laugh and I ended up making him shit blood for a week.

      Nobody touched me after that. That was the only way to prevent the ongoing physical assaults - a response far in excess of what was needed to prevent the attack.

      You appear to think that this kind of thing is amusing, as long as nobody gets hurt - well, someone got hurt, and it was usually me. Every time a group of people would get together and set me up for a verbal assault, it was me that was hurt.

      You can't fight everyone.

      Yeah yeah, thick skin, sticks and stones, are you five years old? This shit may not cause damage in the few times a year that you got it, but if you got it every day from classmates, friends, and even your family (who are supposed to shield you from it) then it leaves lasting damage you can't ever recover from.

      It's 21 years since I left school, and I will always have a mercurial temper and a violent streak.

      It was beaten into me by self-righteous cunts such as yourself. It's funny, at school those pricks were bigger than me, now I have a 44" chest (without working out) and can pick up most people and toss them around like a rag doll. An angry look from me ends physical threats from most people - fortunately.

      I don't want to be that guy, but half a lifetime of physical and verbal abuse from those around me leave me with fire in my mind and all too often a good grip on the throat of my opponent.

      It sickens me that the abuse of a particular group - for simply being interested in intellectual pursuits - amuses you.

      You are the problem with society. You make good people into angry monsters like me.

    53. Re:Nerd Blackface by Geeky · · Score: 1

      Up to a point, and see my reply to retchdog about circumstances. However, there are people living with chronic pain and disability who don't choose suicide. There has to be a trigger somewhere that makes some people suicidal in those circumstances and others not.

      And yes, not everyone's pain is physical, but pain is pain - if we understood the workings of the mind better, we might be able to help those in any kind of pain.

      Where it gets more complicated for me is that I do actually support assisted dying, with appropriate safeguards. So I suppose I see that it can be rational in some circumstances - for the terminally ill, for example, or those diagnosed with alzheimers. I'm equally aware that seems to contradict my view that suicide is a symptom of a potentially treatable mental illness.

      It's a difficult and nuanced subject. Ideal for discussion on Slashdot, where open minded discussion is to be expected! No, I'm really not new here ;)

      That wasn't a dig at your response, btw, in case it wasn't obvious.

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    54. Re:Nerd Blackface by mattack2 · · Score: 0

      I can tolerate the sharks they have jumped (such as introducing the girls and allowing Raj to speak to girls and what not)

      How is adding the girls jumping the shark?

      This is actually one of the very few times where a show semi-radically changed, and the result is better.

    55. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't get the full seasons anymore, but you can get a few episodes. Free, legal direct from CBS. Typically they have I think the last 3 episodes that air available.

      http://www.cbs.com/shows/big_bang_theory/video/

    56. Re:Nerd Blackface by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You can't put up an antenna?!?

    57. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i return blow for blow, neither more nor less.

      In the first few years of school, you will hear children chanting "I know you are I said you are but what am I?"

      Congratulations. You've just phrased a juvenile retort in a marginally more adult language.

      as far as capitalization: you might as well judge someone by the length of their hair. grow up.

      A friend of mine who has a degree in psychology once explained to me that you can find a good indicator of someone's intellectual capacity in their use of language.

      On a website where you've marked yourself as someone who uses bullying techniques in an attempt to win an argument, you're defending such a shortcoming - not a typo, which happens to most people, or even your simple spelling mistake ("goddam") but the whole lot.

      You are not the intellectual giant you feel others should so rightly recognise you as being.

    58. Re:Nerd Blackface by vistic · · Score: 1

      Well put.

      A lot of people I know love this show, and I have a hard time articulating what exactly it is about the show that I find so frustrating or annoying.

      In this case it's not even that people think they understand geeks/nerds from watching this show... it's that they think they ARE geeks/nerds because they watch this show. "I love BBT! I'm such a nerd!"

      We are spoiled now with great shows on TV... we aren't desperate. I don't understand why BBT exists. There's no need.

    59. Re:Nerd Blackface by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 0

      I can tolerate the sharks they have jumped (such as introducing the girls and allowing Raj to speak to girls and what not)

      How is adding the girls jumping the shark?

      This is actually one of the very few times where a show semi-radically changed, and the result is better.

      Agreed. Keeping the same initial 5 cast members would have descended into tedium by now...if it was still on the air.

    60. Re:Nerd Blackface by retchdog · · Score: 0

      "goddam" is a correct regional variant. look it up.

      as for the use of language, i eschew capitalization for principled reasons. i won't go through it again because you're not worth it. if you set that aside, however, you'll find the rest impeccable.

      i don't consider myself an intellectual giant; how could i, in the face of people like Paul Erdos or Terence Tao, let alone Newton or laPlace?

      you, however, are worthless. don't bother me.

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    61. Re:Nerd Blackface by Megane · · Score: 1

      Well, CBS is the network that airs the show, so that makes some sense. Apparently he knows of a store they have, perhaps an online store. Disney tries to have merch stores in a mall in every big city they can, so CBS ought to have at least one store somewhere.

      The "a" article in front indicates that it should be followed by a consonant sound, and as "ell" starts with a vowel, maybe AudioEfex is just one of those slobs who doesn't attempt to proofread his posts, and he meant to type CBS.

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    62. Re:Nerd Blackface by Megane · · Score: 1

      Not only are the new CBS episodes available by this new high-tech wizardry known as an "antenna", reruns are probably available via syndication in your area at least 5 days a week. I'm sorry if having to wait for the time slot is offensive to young whippersnappers like yourself, but it's worked just fine for decades now.

      And if you set a DVR to record them, you can watch them any time you want. I don't even try to set my DVR for the daily ones because at 2.5GB each it would just fill up before I could watch them, and I've seen most of the earlier syndicated episodes already. I had to marathon a bunch of them a few weeks ago so I could clear up some space.

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    63. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least your mother didn't write a textbook based on your entire life, including your sexual development.

    64. Re:Nerd Blackface by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      crappy "Friends" ripof

      And "Friends" was a ripoff of the movie "Singles".

    65. Re: Nerd Blackface by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Well said!!

    66. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      Now, back to the issue at hand: bullying/suicide/how it relates to BBT and making millions.

      People who stand out as "different" and a minority, especially if their differentness is difficult to understand and appears to give them an advantage, are persecuted. In school (and on slashdot too, for that matter) this often results in bullying.

      As nerds as a group were never targeted for slavery, the comparison between them and African Americans kind of falls down.

      But persecution of the group is obviously in evidence, and from my experience, it was a combination of my intelligence and my other social/physical skills that prevented me from dealing with much more than being brought to tears, having a few bruises, and consistently being given a C in PE even when it was obvious I both knew the material better than the jocks, and in some cases out-performed them on the practical tests.

      When I look at those who killed themselves in/after school, it usually wasn't the brightest kids, it was the ones who had an absence of social skills; their parents never helped them learn the skills they needed to have to survive around other kids. Often their parents were divorcing/divorced, or had substance abuse issues -- this could indicate a history of mental illness in the family, but it could also just be that life gets hard, and some people have never learned the appropriate coping mechanisms. WHY they never learned them could be circumstantial, genetic, developmental, or something else. It's a mixed bag.

      That said, schools vary a lot. My school had to deal with knifings and kids putting explosives in cigarettes for a joke; bullying sometimes ended in externally-inflicted death, although usually not. Some bullying just involved never allowing the individual to talk/sit/eat outside of class time, and this sometimes even crept into the class, along with the spitballs, krazy glue on the chair/book/combination lock, soda pop in the locker, and various bathroom pranks.

      If this was done to any other minority group, a percentage of that group would likely also have taken their own lives.

      Now back to the show: I think the reason they can afford to pay such high contracts for this show is that it actually strikes a chord with the nerds who were made stronger by the bullying and taunting, and went on to make something of themselves. It also strikes a chord with those still in education who have disposable income. Unfortunately, the show is going to have to reinvent itself again to explore a new area of nerddom, as the first two takes have pretty much been played out, and including realistic science and geek references in a comedy show will only take you so far.

    67. Re:Nerd Blackface by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      No. I live on the back side of a mountain from the nearest broadcasting station.

    68. Re:Nerd Blackface by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      The Sheldon character holds down a high paying job and manages to interact with an admittedly small circle of friends. He's already doing better than a good segment of the population.

      Do you really think that an IRL Sheldon without script immunity would be able to do the same? The TV Sheldon also seems to be a pretty crap physicist, given to conspiracy theories, junk science, and an inability to distinguish between fiction and reality.

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    69. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deep thought: maybe the people who commit suicide are normal, and it's those who don't that are abnormal? The issue here is that people who commit suicide remove themselves from the gene pool, which means you're only talking to those who haven't. The fact that the suicide rate doesn't go down despite all the suihttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/14/08/05/2024242/big-bang-actors-to-earn-1m-per-episode#cides in history indicates that there's definitely something extra going on here.

    70. Re:Nerd Blackface by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Antenna, syndication? I'm sorry you city-centrists don't realize a mountain might get in the way of watching over-air broadcasts. It's almost as if I actually knew why the show isn't available to me, and wasn't just making it up.

    71. Re:Nerd Blackface by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      I ended up making him shit blood for a week.

      Nobody touched me after that. That was the only way to prevent the ongoing physical assaults - a response far in excess of what was needed to prevent the attack.

      I liked you in that movie, Ender.

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    72. Re: Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's right. Because someone might earn a lot of money doesn't make it ok to make them suffer emotionally at another age. I also know a lot of 'nerdy kids' who didn't grow up to make all that much money.

      Not being from a recognised minority doesn't make it ok that someone is mistreated, nor does the fact that some people are treated worse.

    73. Re: Nerd Blackface by RichardWright · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's right. Because someone might earn a lot of money doesn't make it ok to make them suffer emotionally at another age. I also know a lot of 'nerdy kids' who didn't grow up to make all that much money. Not being from a recognised minority doesn't make it ok that someone is mistreated, nor does the fact that some people are treated worse.

    74. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Sheldon character holds down a high paying job and manages to interact with an admittedly small circle of friends. He's already doing better than a good segment of the population.

      Do you really think that an IRL Sheldon without script immunity would be able to do the same? The TV Sheldon also seems to be a pretty crap physicist, given to conspiracy theories, junk science, and an inability to distinguish between fiction and reality.

      Script immunity, reasonable point. Nevertheless...

      I personally know a highly paid programmer who believes in witchcraft and astrology. I had a hard time understanding that someone with such a logical mind would believe in something so illogical, but apparently it's more common than one would think. It's what puts the the "quirk" in "quirky", I guess. Otherwise brilliant people who have strange blind spots in areas where you'd think they'd know better. You really don't know anyone like that?

      My dad worked with a guy very much like Sheldon. He was brilliant, and so dedicated to his work that he would rarely and only under certain circumstances acknowledge the existence of others. Arguably someone with even more intense quirks than Sheldon. Although admittedly, Dad said that the guy had a "handler", a guy almost as brilliant as him who acted as confidant, kept him out of trouble, and acted as interpreter to the more normal people.

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    75. Re:Nerd Blackface by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      If they didn't do that with the characters it wouldn't be a situational comedy as all humor is rooted the misfortune of others.

      No sir.

      In fact, some of the very best humor I've had the pleasure of enjoying is of the self-deprecating variety.

      The funniest comedy is often the truth told with a healthy sprinkle of taboo.

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    76. Re:Nerd Blackface by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      I see you're not riddled with survivor's guilt.

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    77. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't choose shit. You stole the line from BoingBoing for a quick upmod.

    78. Re:Nerd Blackface by AudioEfex · · Score: 1

      Local Comic Book Store.

    79. Re:Nerd Blackface by AudioEfex · · Score: 1

      The S was a typo in BBTS though, should have just said BBT. My autocorrect fixed it to BBTS, as in Big Bad Toy Store, which is an online shopping site. As you can see, I'm a geek, among those that should be "offended" at BBT but I am not. :)

    80. Re:Nerd Blackface by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Hollywood doesn't understand nerds. And even nerds don't understand nerds. It works both ways. Most of the nerds I know, and myself, do not want to be nerds. "Nerd" was *never* a badge of honor, and still is not. It is only this new wave of faux-nerds who want it to be cool, but they were already the cool kids all along and only want to be nerds because tech is cool now (and they goof up by assuming "nerd" is only about tech and gadgets). The moment that nerd became fashionable is the moment when it had to stop being nerdy by definition.

      The reason BBT is popular is probably because it's less asinine than most shows, it does not celebrate ignorance, and that makes it different. And it's a comedy, not a documentary. If it was realistic it would be boring.

    81. Re:Nerd Blackface by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      All in the Family: exaggeration
      Friends: exaggeration
      Sex in the City: amazingly exaggerated
      Cheers: exaggeration
      I Love Lucy: plausible

    82. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on what you mean by "result of a mental illness." I have pretty severe brain damage, I've noted here a number of times that it was the gift of an abusive mother during my childhood.

      People with the particular disability resulting from this are unable to deal with textual and graphical material, and have great difficulty reading people. We trust easily, we take what people say at face value, and by the time we're in our teens we are usually cynical bastards who have difficulty trusting anybody, because we spend our lives having our toys stolen, people backstabbing us, friends actually using us for their own gain. We have great difficulty understanding why people do what they do. Holding a full time job is a challenge, anything that involves filling out forms is a high-stress endeavour. If you give me a list of instructions to follow, 75% of the time I will screw it up and I can't help it.

      This is my life's story - someone stole about $1200 worth of Star Wars toys from me, many years ago. An "employment facilitator" at the local employment office exploited my disability to demonstrate to the rest of the group induction how much power he held over us.

      These days, I realise that I can't read people and so understand a lot more about what's going on around me, but I will never get the same level of understanding or trust of others that you (almost certainly) have. I've got around 35 years of abuse to work out, I'm sure you can imagine how easily I'll be able to let that go.

      Let me just make something clear - I've had a few girlfriends, but not many. Just a couple of weeks ago, I realised that someone from my university course was trying to get me to ask her out, about a decade ago. Just after the turn of the century I realised that someone (way back in 1994) was trying the same - I couldn't understand this at the time. I still don't understand why she kept feigning disinterest when others were around, disinterest which I took at face value. Looking back, I can put my finger on more than a dozen times that she tried. Hell, looking back to late 2003/early 2004, I can recall specific events where she tried again and, again, I just could not understand.

      I still don't understand why she didn't just tell me. She knew how I felt about her, I'm sure of it - one of my friends had told her some time beforehand, sadly she wasn't interested, at that particularly time.

      In 1995, it all happened again with someone else. Took me five years to work that one out; she wasn't feigning disinterest, I just couldn't grasp it.

      This has happened many times. I just can't read people, I can't understand them. Obviously, I know this now but when I was diagnosed with this disability, nobody looked further than "You can't grasp the meaning of what you read." About 18 months ago, I came across something that listed my disability with an explanation ("You may have been shaken as a baby, or had a head injury," and a few months later, my mother proudly admitted to stamping my head into the ground) as well as a list of symptoms that I would find related to the disability.

      I was stunned. This list is almost a complete description of my life and my problems - there are a few that I don't feel I have, but that could just be anosognosia. I still get the feeling that if I just try harder, I can do anything. I can't, no more than someone with spina bifida can run the 100 metre sprint just by trying harder.

      So, one of the things listed in this report is the development of depression as a result of not understanding what's happening: why people are constantly attacking me, why I used to get extremely high grades and why, when I got to high school and the teaching method changed, they'd fallen to below average (special thanks to my mother and stepfather for beating the shit out of me when I couldn't do the work but not bothering to ask why). Teachers blamed me for being lazy, telling anybody who would listen that I could do anything if onl

    83. Re:Nerd Blackface by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember. There is selection bias.

      Live studio audiences for {Network_Comedy_Show} is composed primarily of uberfans from flyover states on vacation in sunny California, those willing to wait hours in line just to gush over seeing a C-list celebrity do a cameo with Kaley Cuoco 40 times until they get it right from all angles.

      Of course they laugh like hyenas. The stand-up comedian that warms them up doesn't hurt either.

      I had a friend attend a BBT taping. He reported it was the funniest thing he had ever seen -- but of course he went to the taping, because he thinks the BBT is the funniest thing, so... there you go.

    84. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but I also believe in character and challenge.

      This seems rather foolish, but let me explain why before you get defensive on what could almost certainly be better phrased:

      Challenge. You say this from the perspective of someone who thinks a challenge is something to be beaten, to help strengthen yourself. To fight the good fight, as it were.

      Sometimes, the challenge is just to survive, and you come out damaged and broken. I replied with a wall of text to the GP about my experiences. I survived, that was the challenge. What did it do to my character? You can see how badly broken I am just that in the message.

      I fought the good fight, every time I was knocked down I stood straight back up and got knocked back down again.

      I am now in really bad shape, mentally. I can't hold a full time job (as a result of the brain damage mentioned in the other message), I'm forgetful, can't follow lists of instructions or even road directions. Can't read people, constantly misunderstand the intent of people.

      But I fought the good fight and overcame the challenge of getting away from my abusive mother! I must have triumphed and... no, things are as bad as they ever were. The damage is done, it is irreparable, and now every day is the biggest struggle. Overcoming a worse challenge than you've likely faced in your life simply resulted in every day being a mix of frustration and misunderstanding.

      Oh, if you want to know the toughest challenge outside of parental abuse, try having a severe learning disability and still getting a degree (computer science) in a completely inappropriate field. I should not have been able to complete that degree, but I did - at huge cost. Now I can never use it.

      So just watch when you get off your high horse, you may hurt your ankle.

    85. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well... ok... but why would you go to a BBT taping if you hated the show?

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    86. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not really. The argument against it isnt that its Nerd Blackface. Thats something that could be easily ignored if the show was in any way funny. It really just has weak, hackneyed jokes, and is the kind of bland average that is most on par with something like two and a half men.

    87. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's not a comparison to the oppression of black people, but to the making-fun-of? Otherwise the comparison would be made to Roots, which is of course ridiculous.

      If you compare the shows on their own, the similarities become visible: all-in stereotypes; drawing from target audience's perception with total disregard for actuality (a geek that thinks Leonard Nimoy can be cloned from a used napkin); hyperbole (bringing a toy Green Lantern to a party, being literally unable to talk to women); and overall a string of mild mockery that can be funny to someone very far from being alluded.

    88. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      equivalent

      That was an analogy. Analogies don't work the way you think they work.

    89. Re:Nerd Blackface by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      Well, to be fair to the above responders, we aren't used to seeing posts from Tarzan, the Lone Ranger, or Spongebob. And when those guys do post, they explain they don't get reception in their area, for obvious reasons.

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    90. Re:Nerd Blackface by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Do you see anyone on Big Bang Theory getting beaten up? Physically attacked?

      No.

      Your situation, as tragic as it was, is not what the show is about. If you don't like the show, fine, watch something you do enjoy. But don't make the mistake of projecting your own anger and resentment onto a comedy show that is only superficially similar.

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    91. Re:Nerd Blackface by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Exactly! He's not crazy. His mother had him tested.

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    92. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CSI producers have admitted that they make scientific mistakes on purpose.

    93. Re:Nerd Blackface by Sanians · · Score: 1

      It's all about how much energy someone has.

      If you have energy and life is good, you'll make the most of it. You'll go on walks and play sports and otherwise get a lot of exercise, because those are all fun things to do. You'll cook healthy meals because all of the time it takes is no big deal and they taste so much better than frozen pizza. You'll keep looking for a better job rather than just sticking with the one you have. You'll totally be happy, healthy, and successful.

      If you have no energy and life is good, then you can sit on your sofa all day watching T.V. and at least be some version of happy. You'll likely never exercise because you don't have the energy, and despite what everyone says, exercise doesn't give you energy, they're simply confusing correlation and causation. You'll eat nothing but frozen pizza because preparing food requires energy you don't have, as does cleaning dishes afterwards. Aluminum foil and paper plates will be your friends. ...but hey, at least you get to enjoy some good T.V. shows and eat some version of food so you're not starving.

      If you have a lot of energy, and life is being a pain in the ass at the moment, you'll figure a way out. You'll spend a few hours every day looking for a job, or if you already have one, a better paying job. You'll also keep looking for a less expensive place to live. You'll make the most of your budget by preparing all of your meals from scratch. You'll walk / bicycle to work rather than drive to save gas. You'll spend an hour in front of the mirror every day making yourself as attractive as possible to potential employers. Whatever is wrong, you'll figure a way out of it.

      However, if you don't have any energy, and life is constantly kicking you while you're already down, the only thing you can do is wonder if you shouldn't just end the pain because you certainly can't do anything else about it because doing anything requires energy. Even if you know that making home-made pizza costs only $1 per pizza, you just don't have the energy, especially after you get home from work, and so you're buying the $2 frozen pizza that tastes like shit. Even if you know that reducing your rent would help, looking for a new place to live is hard -- you looked for a few days, but didn't find anything, and it's really difficult to convince your brain which is constantly telling you "you need to conserve energy" that it needs to expend that energy to continue looking. So you're poor, and you stay poor, and you never get to take those fun walks and play fun sports because you just don't have that kind of energy. All you do is work hard in a low-paying job and come home and rest on the couch until it is time to go to sleep. Sometimes you try exercising anyway, but despite what everyone says, exercising regularly doesn't give you a lot of energy, and you wonder what crack they're smoking since you do have a job and so it isn't like you never get up and do anything. Indeed, no matter what you do, doing even the most simple things feels like an incredible chore. ...and to top it all off, no one wants to help, they all just want to criticize you, tell you that you're fat and lazy, that you're ugly (because you don't have the energy to spend an hour a day making yourself attractive to others), and that all of your problems are your own fault. You just can't be happy. So why not just get it all over with? You either live a miserable life, then die, or you can just die now.

      Perhaps someday medicine will look into why these people don't have any energy, but for now it doesn't know and it's simply too easy to label them as lazy or crazy just to have a quick diagnosis and move on to the next patient.

    94. Re:Nerd Blackface by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Read "Stranger In A Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein. It explains the concept better than most attempts.

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    95. Re:Nerd Blackface by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      We're talking about a fictional example, but Sheldon is highly successful, and seems quite happy with his life. He doesn't need to be medicated just because he doesn't meet stereotypical norms.

      As far as I can tell, Sheldon is a string theorist and is doomed to being a perpetual post-doc. The others will all have much more successful careers.

    96. Re:Nerd Blackface by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you were paying attention you would notice that they are not making fun of nerd culture as distinct from not-nerd culture. The basis of the humorous situations typically turn out to be the kind of things that really happen to anyone: poor communication in relationships, one spouse making significantly more money than another, existential crises over career shifts, overbearing parents, etc. The closest they get to a distinct nerd situation is when the PhDs mock Wolowitz for only having a Master's degree.

      There may be the meta-criticism that they are mocking nerds for not recognizing that their problems as problems anybody could have... then again *you* failed to recognize this as well.

    97. Re:Nerd Blackface by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      Pullleeeze. To even suggest that is to suggest that the persecution of nerds is equivalent to the persecution of African American minorities in the United States. Certainly nerds are persecuted, particularly in high school, but they are in no way equivalent. Besides, it's not like the show doesn't make fun of people who are "smart and good looking".

      Tell that to the parents of any "nerd" that has committed suicide due to the bullying. Go on. Straight to their face.

      Tell that the families of thousands of blacks who were lynched simply because racist white guys wanted to. Go. Straight to their face.

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    98. Re:Nerd Blackface by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Have you never seen a sitcom before? The point is that EVERYONE does stupid things.

    99. Re:Nerd Blackface by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Character development is jumping the shark?

    100. Re:Nerd Blackface by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Pirate bay blocked for you?

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    101. Re:Nerd Blackface by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know how it goes. I'll admit to times, particularly in my younger days, when I jumped to the conclusion to the other party was ignorant/wrong/missing some obvious technical solution, rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt. And if I'd been asking a question like "How can I get this show?" I definitely would have in the wrong for omitting those details. In this case I know the answer already, and was just griping that CBS can't come to a deal with Netflix. You know, in case they're just waiting for enough explicit public demand before bothering to ink the deal. I thought maybe I'd seed the search engines a little.

    102. Re:Nerd Blackface by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Honestly, that never even occurred to me. I haven't done much piracy since the Napster days. I don't mind paying for books and movies, so I don't usually go that route for other media. And basically all the other TV shows I've wanted to watch have been available.

    103. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Sheldon character holds down a high paying job"

      What makes you think he's highly paid? He works as a researcher at a university.

    104. Re:Nerd Blackface by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      Dharma & Greg: "The show starred Jenna Elfman and Thomas Gibson as the title characters, whose characters were complete opposites: Dharma's world view being more spiritual, 'free spirit' type instilled by "hippie" parents, contrasted with Greg's world view of structure, social status requirements, and "white collar duty" instilled by his generations of affluent parents/ancestors." (from wikipedia)

      Two and a Half Men - same basic "mismatched cohabitants" schtik.

      BBT - Mismatched cohabitants combined with a mismatched love interest.

      It's the guy who reinvented "The Odd Couple" for a new generation. The geek stuff is used as a punchline, not for any geek value. They may as well have written an actual "Odd Couple" script and inserted the word "tech" at random points when something wasn't as funny as they would like, and have a consultant fill in the gaps with things like "Write a GUI in visual basic to backtrace the IP address" only without the obvious mistakes.

      The only reason it's not nerd blackface is the cast seems to be actual nerds, at least in spirit. It is just as insulting to nerds as blackface was/is to actual black people. It is just as based in stereotype and conventional wisdom, and ultimately ignorance.

      There is nothing for any true nerd or geek to like, other than having someone finally represent your demographic, even taking it as the backhanded compliment that it is. Occasionally, as with Two and a Half Men, there is a really good joke that I did not expect to hear on network TV, and for that reason alone I'll watch if there's nothing more interesting available.

    105. Re:Nerd Blackface by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      i wasn't talking about learning, dumbass. i meant the rigors of "bullying".

      You said, " If the minimal rigors of (gasp) public education are enough to convince one to put an end to it, then they are probably better off leaving this world."

      You didn't mention bullying, but instead stated that if public education was too hard, then they should end it.

    106. Re:Nerd Blackface by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Some episodes are available online legit at CBS.com if you're in the US.

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    107. Re:Nerd Blackface by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      As the kids these days say, "This."

      Early Sheldon was a character I really liked, for all the reasons E-Rock pointed out. Other characters had friction with him mostly just because he was an insufferable genius who was always technically correct and looked down on everyone else for not living up to his standards of perfection, and ordinary fallible people find that kind of person hard to get along with because it such a person uncompromisingly highlights their own foibles.

      But over the years Sheldon has morphed into a socially retarded asshole -- not just someone who awkwardly doesn't understand how best to interact with other people, but someone who thinks he does and yet is constantly wrong and will never hear anyone who tries to tell him so. He is no longer an insufferable genius who is always technically correct. He is an insufferable idiot who arrogantly insists that he is correct even when he is clearly, blatantly not.

      And when a person starts to run roughshod over other people because of their own wrongly self-assessed "superiority", it goes from harmless "shamelessly ability to like himself" to dangerous borderline sociopathy as the AC I'm replying to said.

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    108. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Did folks criticize Mary Tyler Moore Show for not being an accurate enough representation of life in a network news room?"

      In the 1980's I read an article about the making of David Lynch's Eraserhead. It was filmed at American Film Institute (AFI). Some scenes, I think the dinner scene with Henry and Mary and Mary's parents, were screened for some upper-ups. During the screening one of the viewers was reported to have exploded: what is this? Real people don't act like this!

      I thought, so, who do real people act like? John Wayne? (I love) Lucy?

      Even with documentaries you have to consider film is like quantum mechanics. The presence of the camera/detecting equipment changes the action.

      Side note: After Eraserhead AFI supposedly made two policy changes:
      1. While at AFI, which is a learning ground for film makers, no more full length features will be made.
      Seems the studios, who were donating money, objected.
      2. All future projects would be owned by AFI. Lynch owns Eraserhead.

      End of rant. Statements above have not been fact-checked.

    109. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I discovered it I found an website based in Goo-goo-bugoo or someplace not in the USA and watched all the previous episodes for free. That gap is being closed though.
      I use a strange device to get television shows, called an "antenna." It's free (the content. The antenna cost about $30; the converter box $40.)

    110. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSG? Seriously? You just lost ALL your nerd cred.

    111. Re: Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suicide is often not a choice, suicide often happens when the amount of pain one is in exceeds the ability of one to cope with said pain. At that point there is no other option, the pain is literally unbearable. You seem to be speaking of something which you are ill informed.

    112. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Since you mentioned "Friends", I don't think people really believe that New Yorkers spend all of their time hanging out in a coffee shop.

      Yeah, but nobody was trying to say, "Friends is a great show because it's finally New Yorkers' chance to feel represented." People do seem to be latching on to "Big Bang Theory" as some sort of recognition, appreciation, or celebration of geeks and "geek culture".

    113. Re: Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because someone might earn a lot of money doesn't make it ok to make them suffer emotionally at another age.

      No, but whining about "suffering emotionally" when you're sitting on top of the world is a hard play for sympathy, champ.

      I also know a lot of 'nerdy kids' who didn't grow up to make all that much money

      And yet I'd be willing to bet they're all living a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

      Not being from a recognised minority doesn't make it ok that someone is mistreated, nor does the fact that some people are treated worse.

      Never said either of those things. Simply said that your whining is kind of comical, given how GOOD you have it, even if you WERE picked on as a kid by the big bad jocks.

      Again: check your privilege, mate.

    114. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well well well. Looks like we got a Xenocide here, folks.

      Say hi to Val for me, Ender. I always did have a thing for her.

    115. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 2

      In this case it's not even that people think they understand geeks/nerds from watching this show... it's that they think they ARE geeks/nerds because they watch this show. "I love BBT! I'm such a nerd!"

      Yeah, there's something about that aspect of it that annoys me when people talk about the show, and the Vanilla Ice comparison was the best thing that I could come up with. You don't understand black inner-city culture because you listen to rap. You're certainly not part of that group because you like a crappy version of rap.

      So yeah, there's something in the appropriation of "nerd culture", but also the extremely poor way in which it's done. "I'm understand you, and I'm just like you, because I watch a sitcom in which the characters watch the same SciFi shows you watch."

      I mean, if you want to understand and identify with "geek culture", at least actually watch Star Trek and BSG. Don't just watch a show where the characters watch those shows, and where that fact is used as a punchline. I can appreciate someone trying to bond with me, saying, "I'm such a nerd now. I just started watching Doctor Who!" It doesn't make you a nerd, but at least you're actually watching something that I like, and we can kind of bond over that. But don't be like, "We have so much in common now! Sheldon is my favorite character, and he loves Doctor Who just like you! But I wouldn't watch that show because it looks dumb. Wanna watch football?"

      Or maybe it just annoys me on the same level as if someone said, "I'm really into serious mythology because I love the show 'Once upon a time'."

      ... or whatever. I don't know. I don't know how to explain it, and I suspect I wouldn't care at all if it were just a funny show. I mostly put it in the same category as "King of Queens", in that I'm sure that if I watched enough of it, I'd eventually find some laughs. But do I really want to work that hard to find some laughs?

    116. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a boring faggot, just a heads up.

    117. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks, any suggestions for the other 85% of the world's population that isnt in the US? seems like netflix was a logical place for the OP to wish the show was available

    118. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, your reasoning is that since YOU managed to endure something without ending up dead you don't really feel any sympathy for others that can't "hack it" as well as you?

    119. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but before you were born BLACK PEOPLE had it worse!!1
      never forget that it is the worst thing in history and if youre white then you are somehow culpable

    120. Re:Nerd Blackface by somegeekynick · · Score: 1

      "To those who point to the few sitcoms that have no laugh track, I've noticed that the music tends to "react" in the right moments and I'm not convinced that's an improvement." I don't remember listening to music in Modern Family, apart from the title sequence and whatever music might come up as part of the story. There might be some at the very end of each episode, but the voice over usually gives some insightful family advice then.

    121. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aha, all beginning to make sense now!

    122. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To even suggest that is to suggest that the persecution of nerds is equivalent to the persecution of African American minorities in the United States.

      It may come as a surprise to some, but the world, and persecution of people in it, does not revolve solely around the history of African Americans. Or of USA, for that matter.

      There is this thing called "analogy", look it up in the dictionary some time.

    123. Re: Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is always a butt to a joke. That's how comedy works. Get over it. Getting made fun of isn't the end of the world. In fact, being able to laugh at yourself is a good thing. People who get up in arms about stuff like this are part of the issue of discrimination. You're obviously too sensitive on the topic to be able to shrug it off, so you make it a big deal. I personally would rather laugh than cry, and in you're perfect world there would be no comedy, and that is truly a sad world to live in.

    124. Re:Nerd Blackface by Xest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is exactly what's great about The Big Bang theory, and especially discussions on Slashdot about it, there are always a bunch of geeks who will sit and say they don't relate to it and it doesn't represent "proper" geeks, all the while completely oblivious to the fact they're sounding exactly like Sheldon hence disproving their own theory that it's not representative. If you sat Sheldon down in front of a show like the Big Bang Theory this is probably exactly what he'd say:

      "That wouldn't be my argument against it. My argument is that it's not a good show. I don't find the characters relateable. I don't think it's particularly funny. It seems like someone took a very bland, unoriginal sitcom and attached a geek gimmick to try to make it interesting, but in my mind it fails. It's not interesting, and the geek gimmick doesn't really work. "

      It's like a kind of circular ignorance of what makes the show great. I'd say that contrary to your assertion people watching Big Bang Theory exactly understand geeks and nerds, because when they think of Sheldon and what he'd have to say about it, they'd imagine exactly the sort of holier than thou, no true geek (aka no true Scotsman) argument you've made.

    125. Re:Nerd Blackface by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Character development is jumping the shark?

      Yes. If Captain, Kirk did not, character develop throughout, the show, then I don't see, why anyone, else, should need to.

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    126. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To even suggest that is to suggest that the persecution of nerds is equivalent to the persecution of African American minorities in the United States.

      Just because two things are quantitatively different doesn't mean they aren't qualitatively similar.

    127. Re:Nerd Blackface by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      My dad worked with a guy very much like Sheldon. He was brilliant, and so dedicated to his work that he would rarely and only under certain circumstances acknowledge the existence of others. Arguably someone with even more intense quirks than Sheldon. Although admittedly, Dad said that the guy had a "handler", a guy almost as brilliant as him who acted as confidant, kept him out of trouble, and acted as interpreter to the more normal people.

      A friend of mine is putting together a team of people on a very big project that needs major math genius to even understand. He's a CS/Math Ph.D. himself and it's way over his head. There are perhaps 5 people in the world who understand the ins and outs of it. So he hired the ones he could find, warts and all, and made VERY sure they had full veto rights over the people in the team who act as "interface" to the other parts of the company. Handlers, indeed. And it works.

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    128. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is just as insulting to nerds as blackface was/is to actual black people.

      No. Not even close. No black person ever made the decision to become dark skinned. No black person was ever offered the prospective choice, from among many different pigment options, which he would be most happy with. Making fun of people for biological or genetic traits is not cool. In contrast, nerds are not born with an inherent knowledge of Star Trek, Dr Who, or circuit design. They only acquire those interests after being presented with many options. Nerds have passionate interest in "nerdy" things for whatever reason, but the important thing is that it's their choice. Everyone should expect some teasing for their passions, from the goofy cosplayers to the nutcase spending all his time installing aftermarket mods on his car, to the guy with binders full of Fantasy Football statistics. The jokers are supposed to 'get it wrong,' because that's what makes it funny. Teasing people because of their interests is a way of recognizing their individual, unique traits, not a way of disparaging them for an accident of parentage.

    129. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a great, clever argument, since it basically closes off my options. No matter what I say, you can just respond, "Oh you, you're such a Sheldon! That's exactly what he'd say!" In reality, you're only illustrating the sort of dumb ideas that the show inspires. It makes people think they understand-- like I said, in about the way that a bunch of rich white suburban teenage boys, a couple of decades ago, might think that they understood inner city black culture because they bought a Starter jacket and listened to Vanilla Ice. And it's not a "no true scottsman" argument and more than it would be to say, "in fact, Vanilla Ice was not a true inner-city black person".

      But fundamentally, it's not a "no true geek" argument. Really, it's a "these characters are weak, poorly written, and representative of nothing" argument. It's a "I've tried watching this show, and found it painfully unfunny" argument.

    130. Re:Nerd Blackface by Ezel · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm not alone in totally reading that quote in Sheldons voice.

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    131. Re:Nerd Blackface by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Pullleeeze. To even suggest that is to suggest that the persecution of nerds is equivalent to the persecution of African American minorities in the United States.

      Good lord, from what European country are you shouting your 'holier than thou' crap? Do you really think the US invented racism?

      Or are you just a self loathing American.

      Or better still, an Austrailian with their lovely treatment of the aboriginals?

      Gotta love watching a favorite leftie activity: playing 'who is the biggest victim?'

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    132. Re:Nerd Blackface by Xest · · Score: 1

      Makes people think they understand what exactly? What a "true" geek is?

      You seem to have decided that your personal arbitrary definition of what a geek or nerd is is the only possible definition and that all others are false. You're implicitly declaring that you're right and everyone else is wrong because you're smarter than them. Exactly like Sheldon would.

      In reality geeks/nerds are a broad wide ranging group of people with many different traits. The number of traits is such that to fit every single combination into the show such that every geek/nerd is precisely represented such that people like you could find the one that exactly represents your subset of defining geeky/nerdy traits would result in a combinatorial explosion of cast members. Given therefore that that's not a realistic proposition, they've done the next best thing - they've built a handful of characters taking the traits they feel they can best work with and make work and have built the show around them. The fact is, that whilst none of the characters may represent exactly you, they do represent people with a selection of common geeky/nerdy traits. I can't relate to all of them, but I can certainly relate sometimes to some of the traits each and every one of them exhibit. So maybe by your arbitrary definition I'm not a geek or not a nerd either, and that's fine, it doesn't matter, the show isn't written based on your personal definition. It's written based on the definition and traits that most people would quite validly see as geeky or nerdy.

      So it doesn't really matter than you don't find the show funny, that's a different argument, it's got nothing to do with whether the show does a good job of representing geeks/nerds or not. If you don't then fine, that's just the way it is, but you can't somehow twist your inability to see it as funny into some greater argument about how it does a poor job of representing geeks or nerds.

      Perhaps consider that my point closes off your options, because your argument was based on a flawed premise of arbitrary personal definition in the first place.

    133. Re:Nerd Blackface by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Well, I wouldn't call it great. Sheldon is an exaggerated stereotype, same as 90% of all TV characters. It's easy to read people's behavior into him because, well, he is an exaggeration of those behaviors. It's just a TV character, written to be easily recognizable. Nothing too great, nothing too horrible. He reflects certain behaviors and attitudes commonly associated with nerds so the writers did their jobs right.

      Now, I still don't watch the show but that's because every time people have tried to hook me on it I watched an episode and never laughed. The show's brand of humor just isn't mine and I don't find the main characters very likable. It's a matter of taste, though, and I recognize that many people find the show very entertaining. (Hell, The Middleman got canceled before they had time to shoot the first season's final episode and I consider that show to be among the best live-action entertainment produced in the last decade. My tastes certainly don't align with those of the people who actually count.)

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    134. Re:Nerd Blackface by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      They've stated as much on the show. At least, that he makes a lot more than he needs/uses.

    135. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Jesus, you're dumb. Not "everyone else", just you.

      Part of my point here is actually that "geeks" and "nerds" are people, and not just a set of stereotypes. You don't get to claim to understand who I, as a person, am, just because you watch a show with a poorly formed stereotypes that share relatively cosmetic features with me.

      I've been called a geek and a nerd, and not been happy about it. I've then reached the point where I'm like, fuck it, I'm a geek. Fine. You have this stereotype, and I apparently fit it. But now, there's this weird attachment of people trying to claim themselves to be geeks also because, I don't know, it's trendy or something. OK, yeah, whatever. But then on top of that, there's a new contingent that wants to say, "I understand you, nine-times, and we can have a bonding moment, because I watch a show where I laugh at people fitting your stereotype. That makes us somehow the same, even though I don't even really understand the references, but I still laugh because they're a bunch of nerds!"

      And you know what, I don't even really care that much about that. It's dumb, but that's not what really bothers me in the end. What bothers me in the end is that the show itself isn't funny, and yet I can't avoid idiots praising it in dumb ways.

    136. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too find the characters unrelatable. They're stereotypes taken to the extreme (cannot talk to women at all, sociopath, highly intelligent astrophysicist living with mother, etc.). Then it's wrapped up with a "normal" guy and very attractive woman on/off relationship. The situations they face are so unrelatable that I don't know how anyone feels connected to the show. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think they deserve $1M per episode. What has them convinced that they need that?

    137. Re:Nerd Blackface by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      The characters in Silicon Valley (the Mike Judge TV show) are much more believable and accurate, and the show is far funnier as well.

    138. Re:Nerd Blackface by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      I have a friend whose adult daughter committed suicide a couple of years ago. My friend, after seeing her daughter struggle with mental illness for years, believes in assisted suicide as a compassionate solution for some people even if they do not have physical pain.

      It's hard for me to agree with this, but I also haven't lived through what she has.

    139. Re:Nerd Blackface by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Nerds are quite capable of doing their own bullying nowadays, via the Internet at least, and the fact that some of them become rich also gives them power which can potentially be abused.

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    140. Re:Nerd Blackface by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Consider how many chairs have had to go into therapy because of Steve Ballmer.. :-) But seriously, bullying isn't just a jock thing.

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    141. Re:Nerd Blackface by Xest · · Score: 1

      Okay, I can see you're getting angry at you're inability to grasp either the point or the irony and are flying off on weird tangents about judging you or something.

      It was exactly my point that the show doesn't represent you, nor does it try to, and nor does it have to to fit some arbitrary definition of geek or nerd. Again, it merely picks some traits and runs with them and whether you feel those traits are necessary or sufficient or not to fulfil your definition of geek/nerd just doesn't matter - it fills most other people's which is precisely why it has such high ratings. This is probably a good thing because your apparent trait of flying off the handle with insults over something inane is something that most definitely would make the show shitty.

      You obviously really hate the show for some irrational reason as evidenced by your outburst, but again I guess that's up to you. Quite why you still feel the need to stretch the arguments though is rather odd - I too frankly saw geek and nerd as positive labels, the difference is I really don't give a shit if others start wanting to label themselves with those terms or not or start to judge whether they have some arbitrary right to or not because I'm just not that much of a drama queen.

      Perhaps if you get over yourself you'll also rediscover your sense of humour.

    142. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I personally know a highly paid programmer who believes in witchcraft and astrology

      I know one that believes that a god spoke through some guy who lived in some desert some where.

      And another that believes that a god had a baby with some girl in some desert some where and said baby when on to die on a cross.

      And another that believes that eating none-root vegs is wrong.

      Silly bunnies.

      Hail Cthulhu!

    143. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 1

      It was exactly my point that the show doesn't represent you, nor does it try to

      Your point was, it doesn't represent me or even try, but that I'm just like one of the characters.

      Sorry, no, that wasn't your point at all. I get that you're trying to justify why you like the show that you do, in the face of someone suggesting that it appeals to bad associations of stupid people. In fairness, I'd be self-conscious too, because liking that show implies that you have bad taste.

      But you reply to my post with a bunch of condescending nonsense, repeating exactly the kind of insulting response to the show that I was just saying that I found annoying. You're damned right I'm annoyed. I wouldn't go as far as "angry", but it's quite annoying.

      And yes, you seem not to be very bright. I say this because (a) you apparently love dumb TV shows, which isn't so bad; (b) you don't seem to be able to understand posts that I think are written pretty clearly; and (c) it seems like you wouldn't be able to anticipate that if someone says, "I really hate when someone pokes me with a stick," and then you poke them with a stick, they're not going to be happy about it.

    144. Re:Nerd Blackface by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The audience's actions being prompted by people with cue boards, etc., of course.

      With your attitude of "the audience is dumb", you should work at a network.

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    145. Re:Nerd Blackface by operagost · · Score: 1

      Nobody lynched a black vaudeville performer on stage-- I think. But they weren't allowed on stage in the first place-- promoters believed people would rather see Al Jolson in blackface. That's what we're talking about. Not every topic is about OMG GENOCIDE type racism. This one is about culture.

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    146. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, not often but Lenard was attacked by Pennies X in at least one ep.

    147. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nerds didn't choose to be socially excluded and ostracized their whole life. But that is exactly how nerds are born. An isolated herd animal's limbic system atrophies without use. Their cerebellum picks up the slack.

    148. Re:Nerd Blackface by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      There are some people who believe Fresh Prince of Bel Air truly represents African Americans. So what? That does not detract whether or not it was funny. I personally did not find it funny but it wasn't because I believed it stood for anything other than a sitcom.

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    149. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'African American Minorities' - wtf? In many places the African Americans outnumber the Caucasian 2 or 3 to 1. Minority pulease....chah

    150. Re:Nerd Blackface by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      This site shows how popular black vaudevillians were.

      http://diasporicroots.tumblr.c...

      Photograph of Bert Williams (left) and George Walker, ca. 1898.

      Bert Williams (1874-1922) was one of the preeminent entertainers of the Vaudeville era and one of the most popular comedians (of any race) at the time. He became the first black American to take a lead role on the Broadway stage, as well as the only black performer to sign with Ziegfeld Follies (1910-1918). Fellow vaudevillian W.C. Fields, who appeared in productions with Williams, described him as “the funniest man I ever saw – and the saddest man I ever knew.” Williams was a key figure in the development of African-American entertainment. In an age when racial inequality and stereotyping were commonplace, he became the first black American to take a lead role on the Broadway stage, and did much to push back racial barriers during his career.

      Williams met George Walker in San Francisco in 1893 and the two formed what became the most successful comedy team of their time. They staged several vaudeville shows and full musical theater productions, including Senegambian Carnival (1897), The Policy Players (1899), The Sons of Ham (1900), In Dahomey (1902)their biggest hit, Abyssinia (1906), and Bandana Land (1907). When George took ill and retired in 1908, Bert continued working and shared his earnings with him until he died in 1911.

      And I wasn't the one who brought up death in a discussion about a TV sitcom. Linking Big Bang Theory to blackface was stupid enough IMHO without adding suicide by bullied teenagers to the thread.

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    151. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yes. And to a certain extent, in TBBT, Leonard serves (with varying degrees of success) as Sheldon's social handler.

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    152. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      In Modern Family, it's the handheld camera that will flag a joke. There will be a pause in the conversation for the audience to "get it", and the camera will twitch or zoom in and out slightly to tell you there's something to get.

      Although, I'll admit that this is less irritating than a canned laugh track, it's still a "tell".

      Side issue: Why isn't Modern Family considered "gay blackface"?

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    153. Re:Nerd Blackface by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      With your attitude of "the audience is dumb", you should work at a network.

      Not sure how you are getting from the factual statement I made to the phantasy you are projecting on me.

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    154. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 1

      As I said elsewhere, I'd probably find all of it forgivable if Big Bang Theory were funny.

    155. Re:Nerd Blackface by Dr.+Gamera · · Score: 1

      I know that The Big Bang Theory is filmed in front of a live studio audience. But however they manipulate the laughter from that live studio audience -- be it audience manipulation, audio manipulation, or whatever -- gives a result that, to my ears, is indistinguishable from a laugh track. A difference that makes no difference is no difference.

      (Yes, I do hear a difference between the laughter in The Big Bang Theory and the laughter in, for example, The Cosby Show, also filmed in front of a live studio audience, but apparently less manipulated.)

    156. Re:Nerd Blackface by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      compared to a legacy with room temperature was going to law school and getting a job at a white shoe law firm - nerds/techies are like in the famous 60's sketch with the final punch line being "i know my place" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    157. Re:Nerd Blackface by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Perception is everything as Lord levenson said about the Stephan Lawrence case - by your argument you could abuse the Irish or the Jews or Mormon's but they are better off than the blacks so its not discrimination

    158. Re:Nerd Blackface by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Indeed it's also about "performing" the stereotype for non insiders - originally slaves satirising the whites as I seem to recall

    159. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this, with one addition.

      Early Sheldon seemed to know that he was socially awkward, seemed able to admit "yes, I have problems socially interacting with others". He might not have cared about "fixing" that, but he at least understood the situation correctly.

      Then somewhere along the line, that changed into "I'm not the one with social interaction problems, you are." Which I felt detracted from his supposed "genius".

    160. Re:Nerd Blackface by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Why do you have to find it forgivable? If it is a show you don't like, don't watch it. I don't find reality shows like the Real Housewives to have any redeeming qualities. I don't watch them.

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    161. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason it's not nerd blackface is the cast seems to be actual nerds

      Amy Farrah Fowler 3 (Mayim Bialik) is the only one of these that would be a nerd. Now, they may be nerds NOW due to exposure on the show mixed with a desire to understand scripts... but they sure weren't beforehand.

    162. Re:Nerd Blackface by Smauler · · Score: 1

      My view is that suicide is a result of a mental illness.

      It saddens me that self determination is considered mental illness by you. I have the absolute right to kill myself, and probably will do some day. It's not because my life is dreary or soul destroying, it's because I'll be able to choose how I die.

      My view is that people hanging on to life desperately is a result of a mental illness.

    163. Re:Nerd Blackface by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

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    164. Re:Nerd Blackface by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Because we're talking right now in a conversation about whether it's a good show, and whether it's somehow offensive (like "blackface" minstrel shows). Someone else said it was like blackface. I don't care for that comparison, especially since whatever hardships "nerds" have faced over the years, it doesn't really compare to the oppression that black people faced.

      Regardless, I said, "That wouldn't be my argument against it. My argument is that it's not a good show." I went on to agree that it had a weird inauthentic relationship to "geek culture", but I wouldn't have a problem with that if it were a good show. Since it's not a good show, its inauthenticity is just another nail in the coffin.

    165. Re:Nerd Blackface by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Adding the girls took it from a show about nerds and nerd culture to a typical sitcom with the same tropes you would find in Family Matters or Two and a Half Men. It's nerd-flavored, but it's just a typical sitcom......which is what I really meant by jumping the shark.

    166. Re:Nerd Blackface by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      With your attitude of "the audience is dumb", you should work at a network.

      Not sure how you are getting from the factual statement I made to the phantasy you are projecting on me.

      Ohh, so your claim that the audience will blindly follow what they are told on cue cards actually means you think they are smart?

      Sorry, I am also not as dumb as you think the audience is.

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    167. Re:Nerd Blackface by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      ... Did folks criticize Mary Tyler Moore Show for not being an accurate enough representation of life in a network news room?

      Yes, they did.

      Probably, if they worked in one and didn't have a sense of humor. ...

      Exactly!

      Now, get off of my lawn...

    168. Re: Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cannot agree more. How can people defend bullying?

    169. Re:Nerd Blackface by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Character development is jumping the shark?

      Yes. If Captain, Kirk did not, character develop throughout, the show, then I don't see, why anyone, else, should need to.

      Gee, that show only lasted 3 season, and barely at that. Maybe they should have had some character development.

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    170. Re:Nerd Blackface by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Do you see anyone on Big Bang Theory getting beaten up? Physically attacked?

      No.

      Well, there was the episode where a guy stole Sheldon's WoW gear, they went to confront him IRL and he took their Bat'Leth, and they called Penny and then she "touched him in his special place", and they got everything back. So yes, somebody got beaten up - or rather kicked. A nerd (and bully). By a girl.

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    171. Re:Nerd Blackface by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      "Adding the girls took it from a show about nerds and nerd culture "

      Clearly, female characters are incompatible with nerd culture.

    172. Re:Nerd Blackface by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      They had character development in the movies...

      ST II: We're getting older.
      ST VI: We got old.

    173. Re:Nerd Blackface by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      No, but when the girls were added, the writers resorted to traditional tropes. I blame it on the (lack of) creativity on the part of the writers. Every show eventually hits the point where they rehash story lines (there are, after all, only seven basic stories), but they could have taken a different spin on some of those stories if the girls hadn't been introduced (or not all at once). It really felt like as soon as Leonard and Penny started getting together that BOOM, everyone needs a girlfriend. The conflict between the "dating" and the "single" could have been played up more if it had been strung along more.

    174. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its filmed in front of a live audience. Its not a laugh track.

    175. Re:Nerd Blackface by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      Gotta love watching a favorite leftie activity: playing 'who is the biggest victim?'

      Is it me?

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    176. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok smart ass Im 1/16 th Native American living less than 100 miles from where my ancestor lived with his Indian wife and I have no clue what tribe I belong to-I get so over people whining how bad blacks in America were treated -SADLY they were considered valuable and were NOT treated to genocidal practices like my kin. And yet I dont go thru life blaming all my problems on how my ancestors got treated 200 or more years ago

    177. Re:Nerd Blackface by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Up to a point, and see my reply to retchdog about circumstances. However, there are people living with chronic pain and disability who don't choose suicide. There has to be a trigger somewhere that makes some people suicidal in those circumstances and others not.

      For the elderly it's not just chronic pain/disability, it's a degenerative condition for which there is no cure. I feel that under various circumstances, life really isn't worth living and existence is pointless. Constant pain, an inability to move, and the knowledge that there will never be any improvement. Eventually they get to that point. I think the kids who choose suicide aren't able to see the future. They see themselves as the terminally ill patient, not because they have some illness, but because they just can't conceive that there will be a time when they will be without the mental pain, the trauma, even the physical bullying. Maybe they do buy into the BS about being worthless.

      Probably the darkest point of my life was when I was touring college campuses during high school, and I had a particularly unhelpful campus tour guide who told our group of high schoolers that we should "enjoy high school while we can, years later we'll look back at it as the best point of our lives." What a stupid thing to say to high schoolers. I suppose if you aren't studying and you're on the varsity team and you're the homecoming king that could be true, but most students' lives are not so rosy. I was dumb enough to believe it, because I couldn't see the future. I lost it that day, having an emotional break-down, though I managed not to let much of it show physically. "Really? High school is terrible. This is the best it will ever get? It will only be worse in the future?" Yeah, that guy should never again guide high schoolers.

      While I don't think the Big Bang Theory is funny at all, it's possible it might appeal to young geeks and have a positive influence. Older geeks might think it's continuation of mocking, but my general suspicion is that for a young geek "in trouble," seeing geeks as the main characters of a sitcom that follow sitcom rules could only a positive. The reasons are: 1) It's on national TV. Yes, you too could "make it." 2) Sitcom characters have to be relatable. Therefore, a lot of TV viewers are relating to the geek characters. 3) The main cast of a sitcom has to be 'winners' somehow, otherwise the program won't work as a comedy. It won't work for anything, really. It'll just be damned depressing. Even the main Bundys from my favorite sitcom when a teen, Married With Children, followed these rules. They were losers and they almost never came out ahead. Yet you could still identify with them, otherwise the show would have crashed and burned.

    178. Re:Nerd Blackface by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I was puzzled by the Big Bang Theory at first, until I finally realized.. "oh yeah. This is what the popular crowd thinks nerds are like." It's all the ugly stereotypes and only-half-truths inserted into the sitcom format. The sitcom format helps a little, but it doesn't save the show from the fact it was made by a bunch of people who were never nerds, didn't understand them, and developed characters and dialogue hampered by those issues.

    179. Re:Nerd Blackface by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Strangely I came to like the laugh track from Married With Children partly because the actors were aware of it and eventually played to it well.

    180. Re:Nerd Blackface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the first few episodes aired, I thought "catch this quick, it won't catch on with the public"

    181. Re:Nerd Blackface by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Who was whining? I was pointing out that the people who are acting like a TV sitcom about nerds is equivalent to blackface, have no idea how bad of a comparison that is. Yes the Indians had it worse than the African slaves, but the nerds in a TV show are not next in order of persecution.

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    182. Re:Nerd Blackface by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      So the writers are wrong for using general tropes as well as for using nerd-specific tropes.

    183. Re:Nerd Blackface by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      In my mothers case, she basically said after three rounds of treatment she didn't want to suffer that way any more. She was essentially choosing to die even tho she could have suffered a month and had 3 more months and then suffered a month and had 2 more months.

      We discussed it and I understood. The tradeoff of good days to bad days wasn't worth it for her any more.

      Her choice didn't matter since she got blood poisoning from the transfusions (about 1% odds apparently) and that killed her before she made it to the next time she would have required time in the hospital again.

      When I said not all pain is physical what I meant was that some people suffer terribly from mental conditions but are not "crazy" in the classic since. Just terribly dreadfully unhappy and nothing can be done to help them at this time. I can understand how a person who lives in constant misery or dread and is still really sane would decide they'd had enough for rational sane reasons.

      Didn't take it as a dig. I agree that it is a difficult and nuanced subject.

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    184. Re:Nerd Blackface by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      The downside is this. Those geeks are portrayed as having happy lives- attracting beautiful women- making good money- and generally having a fun social life.

      To the geek who doesn't have a happy life- this sets unrealistic expectations.

      I like the show. It's funny. But my life is okay. I think the show talks at geeks, not down to them. But just as other TV shows portray a "middle class" family as having a $750,000 house, with cars for every kid-- this show is unrealistic.

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    185. Re:Nerd Blackface by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      i only called you a dumbass because you called me ignorant.

      Well, then, I find it quite telling that you consider the term "ignorant" to be an insult. It also explains why you seem to choose to remain that way.

      FYI, informing a person they don't know something about something isn't insulting, it's an opportunity for that person to learn, and thus, be ignorant no more. Shame you don't see it that way.

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    186. Re:Nerd Blackface by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Gotta love watching a favorite leftie activity: playing 'who is the biggest victim?'

      Is it me?

      If you have to ask, you are probably a white, hetero male, you oppressive rapist.

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    187. Re:Nerd Blackface by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The downside is this. Those geeks are portrayed as having happy lives- attracting beautiful women- making good money- and generally having a fun social life.
      To the geek who doesn't have a happy life- this sets unrealistic expectations.

      I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation. It's just unrealistic that you're going to have it all NOW.

      I think the aspiring nerd has a higher chance of achieving his dreams than the average football player or actor or... well, most professions with people who dream big.

    188. Re:Nerd Blackface by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Now THAT's a good band-name:
      "Hello everyone, we're Gay Blackface, are you ready to ROCK?!"

    189. Re:Nerd Blackface by drerwk · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that an IRL Sheldon without script immunity would be able to do the same? The TV Sheldon also seems to be a pretty crap physicist, given to conspiracy theories, junk science, and an inability to distinguish between fiction and reality.

      I was an undergrad Physics major at Caltech. Other than the crap physicist qualifier, I knew professors in the department who were given to conspiracy theories, junk science, and an inability to distinguish between fiction and reality, though not all in a single individual.

  3. Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should the producers be making all the money?
    Although it would be nice if the writers got paid as well.

    1. Re:Good for them by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Chuck Lorre has $600,000,000 already. (back in 2011 anyway, probably more now)
      I imagine Bill Prady is pretty rich too

    2. Re:Good for them by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      I think you mean episode 3 or 4.

    3. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading your posts when you started recycling letters.

  4. Re:They are the rich by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They've made quite clear that Sheldon is paid well by the university, and that he's got piles of un-cashed checks laying around.

    Only Penny is ever in need of cash.

  5. Not unheard of by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    Seinfeld was in the $600,000 to $1,000,000 range (depending on the actor) back in the late 90's

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    1. Re:Not unheard of by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      The friends cast was paid that much too, then they wanted more so they cancelled the show.

    2. Re:Not unheard of by Servaas · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Friends, they were all making a million a pop at the end. Ridicules to be honest. And charity drivers come to my door! This world will always be a sad and unequal place as long as millionaires become richer millionaires.

    3. Re:Not unheard of by ark1 · · Score: 2

      Jerry apparently turned down $5 millions/episode for 22 episode to continue for a 10th season. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...

    4. Re:Not unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $1 million in 1998 (last year of Seinfeld) equals ~$1.4 million in today's dollars.

    5. Re:Not unheard of by edawstwin · · Score: 1

      ...they wanted more so they cancelled the show.

      That's untrue. They only reason that there was a tenth season is that they got the $1M per ep they asked for (a ridiculous sum at the time, of course, and one I don't think they expected to get). Schwimmer and Kudrow said they wanted season nine to be the last season, but that amount of money is hard for anyone to turn down.

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    6. Re:Not unheard of by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Seinfeld was in the $600,000 to $1,000,000 range (depending on the actor) back in the late 90's

      The cast of Friends was making $1M/episode as well.

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    7. Re:Not unheard of by agm · · Score: 1

      What's sad about people making a lot of money? Just because one person makes lots of money doesn't mean anyone else should be sad as a result. Envious maybe. Perhaps even jealous. Unequality is not a bad thing - it's natural.

    8. Re:Not unheard of by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      Unequality is not a bad thing - it's natural

      Most wealth inequality is far from natural - it's the result of it being easier to get more money when you already have it, thus favouring those from wealthy backgrounds. It's no more natural than the old feudal system, where those who inherited land and titles had the power.

    9. Re:Not unheard of by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Inequality is natural, "unequality" is an abomination.

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    10. Re:Not unheard of by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Yet you are complaining about people who do not fit your description. They didn't start wealthy and have earned through their talents.

      Jealousy is not a good reason to stop someone from earning more money. Inheriting wealth and then acting like you earned (a la Mitt Romney or the Koch brothers) is a good reason though.

    11. Re:Not unheard of by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      I didn't complain about them, I was making a more general point. Jealousy is indeed not a good reason to stop someone from earning money, but accusations of jealousy are often used to stifle legitimate complaints about wealth distribution in the world. Few people would expect everyone to be paid the same, but having CEOs earning 1000 times an average employee is hardly reasonable either, given that that money only exists thanks to the work of those lower down. It's not jealousy to question that.

  6. that's some expensive laughtrack by Rob+Bos · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Given that a 21 minute show is something like 90 seconds of laughtrack, they aren't getting a great deal for their buck. :)

    1. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by E-Rock · · Score: 2

      I assumed it was a laugh track too, but they film in front of a live audience.

    2. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I know, the show is recorded in front of a live studio audience. They're not using a laugh track.

    3. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assumed it was a laugh track too, but they film in front of a live audience.

      Of which no one in the audience is laughing hence the laugh track. They need to cancel TBBT and bring back Community. Six seasons and a movie.

    4. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by dugancent · · Score: 1

      I've seen the show in person, there are indeed people there laughing. It's no secret there are paid people mixed into the crowd to get them going. Very few sitcoms use laugh tracks, they use professional audience members.

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    5. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I think everything's more fun in person, too. Otherwise known as the baseball phenomenon.

    6. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Uh...

      NBC canceled Community in May 2014 after five seasons. However, in June 2014, Yahoo! Screen ordered a 13-episode sixth season.

    7. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      They don't use a laugh track. Stop lying.

    8. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always wondered how this works. I'm assuming they have to do multiple takes for a lot of scenes, and I imagine people stop laughing after the third or fourth take, so at the very least at they have to occasionally use canned laughter, right?

    9. Re:that's some expensive laughtrack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's both, plus actors paid to laugh in the audience.

  7. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate being underpaid as much as anyone!

    No.6

  8. Over paid by geekoid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    for what they do. VASTLY overpaid.

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    1. Re:Over paid by dave562 · · Score: 1

      For an interesting thought project, work backwards to how much the advertisers must be paying the networks to support those kinds of salaries for the actors. Do not forget to factor in production costs, everyone working below the line, etc.

    2. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not overpaid.
      The studio could have said it's too much and canceled the show.
      The fact that they accepted shows that they think they can still make money.

    3. Re:Over paid by morcego · · Score: 1

      I both agree and disagree with you.
      On other hand, they are making the production company and NBC a ton of money.
      On the other hand, the writers are getting much less than the actors, and I think that at least 60% of the money being made by the show is because of the actors.
      The rationale, however, is that the writers are (in theory) easier to replace than the actor, because the public don't see them.

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    4. Re:Over paid by edawstwin · · Score: 2

      How are they overpaid? The production company and the network make millions off of this show. The actors are (obviously) an integral part of the success of the show, and therefore the revenue, so why not pay them whatever they can negotiate?

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    5. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for what they do. VASTLY overpaid.

      Do I think it is wrong that you can make $72m for three years of work on TV? Absolutely.
      Is it wrong for them to ask for the money? No. Quite the contrary.

      Given how much their corporate masters are making off of each episode, I can't really fault the Actors for demanding a slice of the pie.

    6. Re:Over paid by timeOday · · Score: 2

      Just accept on faith that the market valuation is infallible by definition, it makes everything so much simpler that way.

    7. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they do is bring in a lot of eyeballs that advertisers are willing pay to have access to. Those ads have a specific value, arrived at via pretty simple market processes. Who else, exactly, should the value of those ads go to? I assume the writers and studio are negotiating for their cut as well.

    8. Re:Over paid by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Do you think the production company dips into their own pocket, or that the price of advertising goes up to make the difference?
      Consumers pay those bills. Every time you buy something, you are paying those outrages salaries.

      It's not life risking, it's not overly hard, they are off a great deal of the year.

      If it was actually funny they wouldn't need that laugh track to tell you when the joke is.

      Compared to almost every other job on the planet, they are ridiculously over paid.

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    9. Re:Over paid by retchdog · · Score: 1

      yeah, most of us are if you think about it.

      "... and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, and I know not that. No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main... And therefore never [ask] for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

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    10. Re:Over paid by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      So $3m/episode for the main stars. The other stars aren't making anywhere near that, and factoring in production costs, say we double the amount to $6m. Average show has 8 minutes of commercials and presuming 30-second ads, that's $375k/commercial (or probably less)

      Coincidentally, ads were $326k last fall so my $6m/episode may not be that outlandish.

      This also doesn't factor in any other money they make from merchandise sales, syndication ($1.5m/episode several years ago), and "goodwill" for other shows that BBT attract viewers too.

    11. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a troll?

      The only way consumers can pay for the increased salary is if advertising goes up. If advertising doesn't go up, as you state, then consumers are not paying for the increase.

    12. Re:Over paid by edawstwin · · Score: 1

      Do you think the production company dips into their own pocket, or that the price of advertising goes up to make the difference? Consumers pay those bills. Every time you buy something, you are paying those outrages salaries.

      It's not life risking, it's not overly hard, they are off a great deal of the year.

      If it was actually funny they wouldn't need that laugh track to tell you when the joke is.

      Compared to almost every other job on the planet, they are ridiculously over paid.

      The price of advertising is already at its maximum. If the network could charge one dollar more for a 30-second spot, they would. The advertisers won't pay more just because the stars now get paid more.

      I don't think you understand the concept of value. No one is arguing that what they do is "life risking", but that's not the point (and what "life risking" profession gets paid millions?). What they do is get millions of people to watch a TV show 24 times a year, and that is extremely valuable. If the network/production company (I'm not sure how the finances/responsibility is split between the two) would lose money by giving these actors that much money, then they wouldn't do the deal, so this obviously (well, maybe not to you) makes great sense for all parties involved.

      And as to your "it's not overly hard" claim: Have you tried acting/making people laugh week after week for years? It is incredibly difficult, and a big reason why actors millions enjoy watching get paid so much.

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    13. Re:Over paid by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "The advertisers won't pay more just because the stars now get paid more."
      false.

      "I don't think you understand the concept of value."
      I actually do.

      "so this obviously (well, maybe not to you) makes great sense for all parties involved."
      except the consumer. Anyone who buys a product, regardless if the watch the show, pays and gets no say.

      " Have you tried acting/making people laugh week after week for years?"
      No, but there are 100,000 of actors that do. Those actors are not special.

      " It is incredibly difficult"
      More difficult then running into a burning building? more difficult the writing? more difficult the building aircraft? more difficult then teaching kids ear after year for decades?

      No, it's not that difficult.
      say what they are told to say? stand where they are told to stand?
      Yes, acting takes skill. I just thing it's not worth millions of dollars a year.

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    14. Re:Over paid by dixonpete · · Score: 1

      You would prefer that the studio keep the money instead?

    15. Re:Over paid by onepoint · · Score: 1

      Using this source https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...
      We can guess that there must be between 400 to 500 broadcasting stations
      Now the quoted figure 326K for 30 seconds, should be for the nationwide broadcast of ads that the local and regional broadcaster cannot use (BB's own time).

      So thinking that about 200 stations buy BB, and they give up the 30 second, that would 200 x 326 that's about 65 million gross income per episode.
      I think that the number 326K is the NYC, CHI, LA top rates. I would guess that the nationwide average of the rates is much lower.

      I'm entirely guessing, please correct me and fix the numbers where applicable

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    16. Re:Over paid by onepoint · · Score: 1

      good actors are hard to find consistently, and a blend of actors whom work decently well together is rarer yet.
      That's why Mash, Happydays (until Ron Howard left), dukes of hazard, loveboat, and many other shows lived season after season ( Chico and the man were my favorite )

      I can not even think of how many shows per year fail just after the pilot, or even after first broadcast.

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    17. Re:Over paid by ark1 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget international broadcasting rights.

    18. Re:Over paid by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      "The advertisers won't pay more just because the stars now get paid more." false.

      No, he is correct. The advertisers pay based on ratings. The network certainly isn't going to cut them a deal, they will charge the maximum they can, regardless of the production costs. It's the ad buyers, not the networks, in the driver's seat when it comes to price. Just because the actors get a raise doesn't mean that the ad rates are going to go up. Not to mention that most of those rates are probably done deals by now, well before this was even announced. With all the cable choices these days, network TV ratings are in the shitter. A show pulling a 4.0 in demo is a hit today, where 20 years ago it would have been cancelled on the spot. Advertisers have a huge choice of where to spend there money when it comes to media buys and they won't hesitate to use that leverage to keep prices down. CBS can't go to them and say "Look, production costs went up, so you need to pay more". They will say "Ratings didn't go up, so screw off. This is what we will pay. Take it or leave it."

      WB is selling the show to CBS, and they are doing so at a prices that's probably near costs. Since WB owns the show, not CBS, WB will be the ones to syndicate it off network in the US, as well as first run and syndication rights in foreign markets worldwide. That is where almost all of their profit will come from. Studios can actually afford to lose money on first run for a show because they know they will make all of their profits in syndication. Sony Entertainment is famous for practically giving shows away so that they can get over the syndication threshold (generally around 80-100 episodes). 'Til Death and Rules of Engagement being two recent examples from them.

      Now for the network, the profits are pretty much front-loaded. Salaries and other costs are lowest during the first 3 years, so if a show is a hit they stand to make bank with the understanding that their costs will increase over time (and, they hope, the show's ratings so they can increase their ad prices). Either way, they won't air a show they are losing money on. With how quickly this was resolved, I think it's safe to say that there is plenty of margin for them to absorb the increased costs at the current ad rate. TV shows are bait to draw in viewers (the product) so they can sell your eyeballs to advertisers (the customers). If the bait isn't working or it's not cost effective, they get rid of it and get something new.

      So WB and CBS will probably share in the cost increase. In the long run it's a drop in the bucket compared to the show's profits, and it's not some unexpected cost, it's been planned for and expected. It definitely won't fall on the ad buyers unless the new salaries somehow ties into a ratings increase.

      Now, if you have problems with how companies spend on ads then don't buy.... well, anything. And don't watch live TV. Or DVR recordings for at least 5 days so you are completely out of being counted in the C3 ratings that ad prices are based on. Vote with your dollar and eyeballs.

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    19. Re:Over paid by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      "so this obviously (well, maybe not to you) makes great sense for all parties involved." except the consumer. Anyone who buys a product, regardless if the watch the show, pays and gets no say.

      I wanted to break this out because I find it fascinating that you feel this way.

      Ignoring the fact that you can vote with your dollars and not buy said product, how exactly do you feel that you are entitled to a say in how a company that you buy a product from spends its money? The vast majority of companies are not monopolies (if they were, they wouldn't need to advertise so much) so you have a choice when you buy a product. For most essentials you can even choose generics that don't have much ad cost built into them.

      I mean, do you believe your employer should be given a say in how you spend your pay? They are paying you for your labor in the same way you are paying a company for a product. Do you think they should be able to tell you how much to spend on beer? Criticize you for buying too fancy a car? Or maybe the customers of your employer should be allowed to criticize them for paying you what they consider too much.

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    20. Re:Over paid by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      I just thing it's not worth millions of dollars a year.

      No professional career is worth millions of dollars a year, even if you're running into burning buildings or doing the other crap you mention. Btw, writing is way easier than acting, at least for me. It has to do with talent. But - BUT - if someone builds a business model around your specific skill/trick/whatever that generates millions in revenue, aren't you entitled to a cut? That's how professional sports work. Acting careers. Writing careers. Inspiring spokesman. Religious leaders. Politicians. Bankers. Whatever, all those people making millions a year. They're just taking a cut of the profit their work generates. If you don't like it, that's your problem.

    21. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is all this jealously coming from? So they're paid well.. good for them! They entertain me, and I'm glad they're receiving compensation for their efforts.
      You do realize you'll never get richer by simply envying the good fortune of someone you've met, right? Or conversely, how much money they(tm) make in no way influences your earning potential, right?
      But if money is so important to you - and, quite frankly, there are things FAR more important than money - then go out, work your ass off, and climb the ladder of success, and earn a fortune for yourself.

      To me it almost doesn't seem like they're paid enough considering that they are going to be stalked by paparazzi with telescopic lens pointing into all their windows for the next 30 years, with every private moment documented in-depth in every tabloid.

    22. Re:Over paid by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Overpaid - Compared to who? The average US CEO gets at least 4X as much for playing amature golf.

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    23. Re:Over paid by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Consumers pay those bills. Every time you buy something, you are paying those outrages salaries.

      You don't have to buy some name brand thing if you think it costs too much. Buy a generic/house brand, some of which are made by the same factories that make the name brand product.

    24. Re:Over paid by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      They are overpaid in that there are hundreds or thousands of other actors who could do as good or better acting.

    25. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The production company and the network make millions off of this show.

      they do, but not on paper.

      mr. hollywood, who taught mr. enron how to add and subtract, does the books, so just as no big studio movie makes any substantial profit (many lose money, even big hits like harry potter) off movies, same goes for television programs. and its worse with network owned shows (this one isn't, but warner bros. and cbs are long-time butt buddies, and good ol' chuck is pretty comfy in that bed lately too).

    26. Re:Over paid by kqc7011 · · Score: 1

      Any idea of how much the actors will be paid for the syndicated shows? TBBT will be broadcast nearly 24/7 all over the world for the next few years. Just look at the shows that TV-Land is broadcasting, some of them are nearly as old as I am and I watched Captain Kangaroo.

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    27. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CEO at work earns $100k/year, my boss earns $55k/year, I earn $9k a year, I don't think I am overpaid.

    28. Re:Over paid by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Consumers pay those bills. Every time you buy something, you are paying those outrages salaries.

      So if I never go to a store advertised or buy a product advertised in BBT, how did I pay that salary?

    29. Re:Over paid by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      "The advertisers won't pay more just because the stars now get paid more." false.

      No, it's true. The advertisers don't pay more. The show just gets sold more times.

    30. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The advertisers won't pay more just because the stars now get paid more."
      false.

      Care to elaborate?

    31. Re:Over paid by Camael · · Score: 1

      This is by far the most rational explanation of why the parent post's anger at the "exorbitant salaries" is unjustified.

      When you buy product, you buy it as is. Whether its costs were bumped up by advertising or otherwise is beyond the control of the buyer.

    32. Re:Over paid by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      For most jobs, an initial scale is used to calculate earnings based on how much time you spent doing that work. The scale itself depends a lot on what you could get somewhere else for the same job. Main actors, like traders and many salesmen earn something more or less directly linked to the expected/realized profit. It happens that for such a show, the profit is huge. Hence the high salary.

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    33. Re:Over paid by gsslay · · Score: 1

      You have confused the value of what they do with the difficulty of what they do. Or maybe you think your personal opinion of both should be the measure used by all?

      Fact is that a lot of people will pay to see what they do. Who else should be getting a significant share of that money?

      Whether what they do is difficult, or requires a great deal of skill, isn't the point. If people will pay to see someone pick their nose, then that someone picking their nose has a value.

      Whether you personally value their work is of no relevance to anyone but yourself. More than enough people are of the opposing view.

    34. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The price of advertising is already at its maximum. If the network could charge one dollar more for a 30-second spot, they would. The advertisers won't pay more just because the stars now get paid more.

      I don't think you understand advertising. The network is making up their pricing based on their guesses of what advertisers will pay. Advertisers now know that BBT is an extremely expensive show to produce, and this will certainly factor in to their purchasing decisions. No network sets its advertising rate to just barely cover the costs of production. TV shows are not fungible from the perspective of advertisers. You just don't advertise Axe and Red Bull to the same audience as Prilosec and term life insurance. BBT has 19% of the 12-34 market (both 12-17 and 18-34), concentrated in higher incomes. The network can pretty well dictate terms.

    35. Re:Over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they're paid is a small fraction of revenues. The show is already in syndication, and some of the estimates I've seen suggest CBS will make literally BILLIONS off the show. If you think the actors are overpaid, then you must think that the executives and CBS shareholders deserve a bigger slice. Can you explain why you think CBS shareholders should get more of the inflated advertising prices BBT brings in than the actors who sell the advertising?

      I mean, I see where the "employees are overpaid" attitude comes from. Human resources are all pretty fungible - just about anyone can flip burgers; almost anyone can write functional code. True, there are fewer people who can throw like Peyton Manning ($1.3M/game), and not many people who perform in shows as successful as BBT. I'm sure, though, that if CBS thought they could credibly replace Jim Parsons with Zachary Quinto (or even geekoid) for half price, or replace Kaley Cuoco with Ashley Tisdale, then they would. The whole American culture seems to be set up around this notion that whoever's idea it was, or whoever the "owner" is should get all the money, and everyone else should be grateful if they get a taste. I guess it's the communist in me who imagines that the people who actually make the product should be rewarded to the extent that their talents are responsible for the quality of the product.

    36. Re:Over paid by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      They each got .25% residuals (yes, 1/4 of 1%) of the residuals. I would presume that includes syndication among other things.

    37. Re:Over paid by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      $326k is the national ad rate. Local rate is 1/2 that if not more. There are 215 CBS affiliates (14 of which are O&O by CBS). Local ad rates go to support the station operating expenses, which does include fees that go up to the national network. But it's not as if BBT or CBS national get that ad money directly. So you really can't factor in what you computed as the $65m.

    38. Re:Over paid by edawstwin · · Score: 1

      The network is making up their pricing based on their guesses of what advertisers will pay.

      Exactly. The price for a 30-second spot for a show on a major network with X ratings and Y demographics will be Z. It won't be Z-1 or Z+1. And it won't be influenced by how much the actors get paid. It won't even be influenced by how much the show costs to produce. If I made a show in my living room using my phone as a camera and just me as an actor that somehow got BBT ratings on CBS, they would charge the exact same amount as they do for BBT. It's just like any other product - cost of production has no relevance to its retail price.

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    39. Re:Over paid by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      As much as I don't like overpaid CEOs, that's just false.
      Unless you're talking about ONLY public companies, and then you're completely correct, even underestimating.

    40. Re:Over paid by retchdog · · Score: 1

      uh, yeah, most employed slashdot users make more than $9,000 per year.

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  9. How about REAL scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    That money a bunch of fake scientists received is fit for annual endowment of a decent university!

    1. Re:How about REAL scientists by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I agree. Absolutely.

      And we need *REAL* policemen playing the parts on those detective shows. And we should have *REAL* secret agents on programs like Marvel's Agents of Shield... Oh, and we need *REAL* aliens on shows like Doctor Who...

      <eyeroll />

    2. Re:How about REAL scientists by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Whoosh?

    3. Re:How about REAL scientists by dns_server · · Score: 1

      One of them is a real scientist with a PHD.

    4. Re:How about REAL scientists by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      That money a bunch of fake scientists received is fit for annual endowment of a decent university!

      Well, ignoring the fact that Mayim Bialik is a real scientist the fact is most of them are really terrible actors. No one would watch it, the show would be cancelled in its first season, and they would all be unemployed having left their research positions to go do a stupid TV show.

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    5. Re:How about REAL scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, ignoring the fact that Mayim Bialik is a real scientist

      Why ignore something that is not true. She herself said:"I'm glad that I completed my PhD and I'm very proud of it, but the life of a research professor would not have suited my needs in terms of what kind of parenting I wanted to do." She is an actress with a science degree, not a "real scientist". A degree does not make one a scientist, doing research and contributing to the field makes on a real scientist.

    6. Re:How about REAL scientists by gnupun · · Score: 1

      The people who do scientific discovery -- scientists, don't get anything other than an award or something. Meanwhile, the corporations, employees, even consumers make ton of profit off their work.

  10. Thanks by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

    I heard about this yesterday on the radio

    1. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else is there to do? Masturbating is by far the most entertaining thing I do all day. I'm just thankful that if I time it right I can get in 2 sessions a day :D

    2. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, immediately stopped...

    3. Re:Thanks by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      As much as I wanted to, it's dangerous to masturbate while driving.

    4. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just choose the time and place wisely.

  11. "There's not anything to keep up with" by morcego · · Score: 1

    "People have so many choices on TV now, so no one's asking for you to marry us. You can enjoy our show without a weekly appointment."

    And that, my friends, and part of the reason people keep turning on to watch it.

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  12. Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've stopped watching the show around season 3 or 4 when they started recycling the jokes

  13. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a show hits that point, it's so bloated, that any tiny little slip is going to mean it's just cancelled. I can't wait.

  14. Wow! What stupidity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, yes, I know I'll get flamed for this, but this is stupid. Capitalism really sucks when there are billions of starving people around the world, and some simple acting gets someone a million per episode. Really. That kind of money should be spent on ridding the world of hunger, killing capitalistic for-profit medicine, and generally making the world a better place.

    More and more, I really do find Holloywood repugnant. How can you live like a prince and then champion the cause of people so far below your lifestyle? Why not take the money you earn and make the world a better place. How many bedrooms do you need? You can only be in one room at a time. How many stupid, rich cars do you need, you narcissistic, ruinous people?

    I really do dislike capitalism more and more...

    1. Re:Wow! What stupidity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey champ, have you ever considered not spending all your money on the products advertised on television, and sending it to the poor people instead? No advertisers = no million-dollar-per-episode stars. Nobody's gonna pay half a million to advertise their product if no consumers buy it.

      It's not that you hate capitalism, what you really hate is not having any impulse control. What you really hate is not having the power to tell everybody everywhere how to live in accordance with what you've decided is right and proper.

      Thankfully, you'll never see elected office.

    2. Re:Wow! What stupidity. by magarity · · Score: 1, Interesting

      All the truly impoverished and starving people around the world are in countries that feature a lack of capitalism.

  15. Uncoceivable by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    no TV actors have EVER been paid that much b4!

    Is this considered /. news because the show portrays "nerds" and nerds in this sites tag line?

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    1. Re:Uncoceivable by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      This is the first time I've seen (and hopefully the last) BBT discussed on /.

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    2. Re:Uncoceivable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's wrong with it being discussed here?

  16. Less Than Friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're still earning less than the actors on Friends earned at the end. If I remember correctly, they were each earning g $2 million per episode.

    And good for them.

  17. Shouldn't they be starving to death? by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all... it's a show about and for people and culture who promote file sharing. Sorry, piracy.

    Checking Piratebay it is obvious that it is heavily shared, with thousands of seeds.
    Why isn't this show being canceled due to everyone involved with making of it dying from starvation?
    I was told that sharing... sorry, pirating of video directly hurts people who make these shows.
    I demand that someone does something about it!

    Like... take them all behind the shed and shoot them in the head.

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    1. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Livius · · Score: 1

      It's not a show about people who promote file sharing.

      In fact except Penny all the main characters have exceptionally well-paying jobs.

    2. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I think the show is about file sharing either, but I don't understand your argument. What does the income of the characters on the show have to do with whether or not the show is about file sharing?

      (GP was talking about heavy piracy of the Big Bang Theory, which should (according to some theories) cause the makers and actors involved with the Big Bang Theory to have their incomes damaged, not the incomes of the characters.)

      Or maybe you're making a joke, and I just got whooshed......

    3. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't mean they buy shit. I have an exceptionally well-paying job. I still pirate music and movies.

    4. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      That's why they only get a million a pop. If weren't for those pesky nerd pirates, they could make a million and 49 dollars a pop.

    5. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I give a shit about this show but as a nerd/geek/whatever, I do not pirate. I find value in actually buying from artists who's works I enjoy.
       
      So go fuck yourself, fucktard. Stop thinking that everyone who subscribes to certain aspects of life subscribe to any other without direct correlation. Even then it's a bad assumption to make.

    6. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says who, about the high paying jobs? I thought they established fairly early on that the jobs had "limited earning potential" in the words of Raj's ultra-rich father....?

    7. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Why do you think file sharing and what you get paid have anything to do with each other ?

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    8. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by uncomformistsheep · · Score: 1

      Here in Portugal, it is a pretty mainstream show actually. Even kids like it.

    9. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a show about people who promote file sharing.

      In fact except Penny all the main characters have exceptionally well-paying jobs.

      You don't watch the show do you? It's made clear on numerous occasions that all except Bernadette don't make a lot of money. And Penny is slated to get a high paying job that brings conflict into her romantic relationship with Leonard. It would be best if you didn't speak about what you clearly have no knowledge of.

    10. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's... totally unrelated? Makes about as much as saying "It's not a show about people who promote file sharing. Except Penny all the main characters have exceptionally terrible haircuts."

      I have a fairly high-paying salary but I still engage in file sharing, and promote it to a degree.

    11. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes Sheldon, thank you for that.

    12. Re:Shouldn't they be starving to death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So anybody who downloads pirated material is poor?

  18. Not keeping up with inflation by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    I heard the whole cast of Friends each made $1 million per episode, and that was over 10 years ago.

  19. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've made quite clear that Sheldon is paid well by the university, and that he's got piles of un-cashed checks laying around.

    Only Penny is ever in need of cash.

    Why the HELL doesn't Sheldon just set up autodeposit?!?

  20. who do they think they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    charlie sheen?

  21. I'd love to be wrong, but ... by xfizik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given that the show is going into season 8, I wouldn't be too surprised if it went downhill from here, like it usually happens to long running sitcoms. It's not like money will reflect the quality of acting.

    1. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the show is going into season 8, I wouldn't be too surprised if it went downhill from here, ...

      We are at least three seasons past that point.

    2. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by jijitus · · Score: 1

      The show has been downhill for the entire season 7. It is so different than the very good episodes from seasons 2-4 that almost makes me cry. These guys struck an incredibly good deal considering that.

    3. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Jumped the shark when Kothrapali started talking to women when sober.

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    4. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I think the no-talking-to-women had painted them into a corner...

      Also, the show changed focus. It used to be about the 3rd wheel dynamic of the Sheldon/Leonard/Penny "triangle." Penny would interrupt best friends. Sheldon would interrupt Leonard's chase of Penny, etc. etc.

      Now the show is about comparing and contrasting the relationships of the major characters. Leonard/Penny are the reference couple by which we measure all of the rest of the nerd/geek/freak couples: Sheldon/Amy, Howard/Bernadette, Raj and his series of disasterous relationships, and now Stewart is the new Raj, the hopeless loner.

      We'll know when the last episode airs because we'll get to learn Penny's last name...

    5. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Spoilers)

      The geek marries the girl. End of show.

    6. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      We'll learn that when it is 'Hofstadter'.

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    7. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will be the last season. They started to give wil wheaton major screen time. that always kills a show.

    8. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      We'll know when the last episode airs because we'll get to learn Penny's last name...

      By the time it gets to the last episode, Penny's last name will be Hofstadter.

    9. Re:I'd love to be wrong, but ... by mykro76 · · Score: 1

      It's all about the syndication. Friends had 236 episodes. Seinfeld had 180 episodes. BBT is already up to 159 and only needs another season or two to become an attractive "drop-in" replacement for TV stations worldwide that are already screening one (or both) of the older series every weeknight of the year.

      The quality of syndicated shows isn't crucial as long as they are palatable easy viewing during dinner to lure in eyeballs for the prized evening timeslots.

  22. I wonder what that works out per line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what that works out per line?

    Sheldon: Oh dear Penny. I'm afraid you have no idea about the value of Exxon mobile and their worth to society.
    Penny: Whatever, Max Factor.

  23. Re:They are the rich by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    You never know. He might have and those are just pay stubs. It all could just be a colossal misunderstanding on this part.

    A fictional character can be as much of a dufus as the rest of us.

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  24. $1 million per episode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Works out to $2 million per joke.

  25. Is this /. or is this variety ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, what has this gotta do with /. ??

  26. Yawn by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't get the controversy. I like the show. It makes me laugh. I don't care what the actors get paid. It's none of my business. I think the comparisons to "black face" are in error. Poking fun at people because of their behavior is not the same as poking fun at people because of their skin color. It's just a sitcom. They come and go. It hasn't jumped the shark yet (not for me, anyway). When it does I'll probably stop watching. And if CBS should cancel it tomorrow, I won't care. My life does not revolve around characters on a tv show, nor does it revolve around the actors and writers. They're getting $1million per show... yawn.

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    1. Re:Yawn by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      I do get the controversy.

      I like the show; when it takes its character and setting seriously, it brings some good humour to the table, and some interesting plotlines.

      Of course, there's a "however..." in this. Too many episodes focus on the outside view of geek culture, making it more a case of laughing at geeks instead of laughing with the characters about things that are relatable.

      And then there is their wildly inconsistent characterisation. Especially Penny swings from 'willing to accept Leonard's idiosyncracies', to the mainstream standard 'grow up and throw your toys away' attiturde.

      Conclusion: flawed in places, but still fun.

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    2. Re:Yawn by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Especially Penny swings from 'willing to accept Leonard's idiosyncracies', to the mainstream standard 'grow up and throw your toys away' attiturde.

      Wildly inconsistent perhaps; but that's women for you. Show nails it. (*ducks*)

      In all seriousness, people aren't that rigid and conflicting emotions are common -- what bubbles to the surface today may not be the same as tomorrow. For example I usually tolerate my kids rooms being messy until the days I don't, and then make them clean them up thoroughly - dusting, vacuuming, nothing loose under the bed, even the closet.

      Is my "characterisation of a real person inconsistent and flawed" or am I just a real person, who is somewhat inconsistent and flawed? :)

    3. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Especially Penny swings from 'willing to accept Leonard's idiosyncracies', to the mainstream standard 'grow up and throw your toys away' attiturde.

      If you think women IRL don't exhibit such swings in attitudes, you need to get a girlfriend.

    4. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then there is their wildly inconsistent characterisation. Especially Penny swings from 'willing to accept Leonard's idiosyncracies', to the mainstream standard 'grow up and throw your toys away' attiturde.

      Datapoint: I've dated women like that and married one of them. So have many of my friends... Seems like a recurring theme with women that marry nerds. Today they seem to be okay that I've seen every episode of TOS about 15 times, the next day they want to throw away comic books that haven't been read for a while... Women, sometimes you can live with them, and well, other times you can't live without them (did I say that right?) ;^&

      Anyhow it's just a TV show.

    5. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of their skin color, anyone else notice that, of the "main 4" characters (3 guys plus penny), only the Indian guy isn't making $1M?

    6. Re:Yawn by Geeky · · Score: 1

      To quote Norm from Cheers: "Women. Can't live with 'em. Pass the beer nuts".

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    7. Re:Yawn by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      I don't get the controversy. I like the show. It makes me laugh. I don't care what the actors get paid. It's none of my business. I think the comparisons to "black face" are in error. Poking fun at people because of their behavior is not the same as poking fun at people because of their skin color.

      So, what if they poked fun at the behaviour of people who were mentally handicapped? Would that be okay? I think the majority would say no.

      Now, keep in mind that Autism Spectrum disorders would be a form of mental handicap, albeit potentially higher function than what some people think of as mental retardation. Sheldon shows classical Autism Spectrum symptoms.

      That said, I enjoy the show, but I don't have a particular desire to be politically correct.

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    8. Re:Yawn by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      So does that then make Family Guy be "stupid people in black face"?
      Friends is "cool people in black face"?
      Sex in the City is "maladjusted rich women in black face"?
      Or Cosby is "black people in black face"?

      There really is not such as thing as "geek culture", as everyone is an individual. The geek who likes model trains may hate science, and the trekkie may hate D&D, and the computer nerd may hate everything to do with youtube and facebook. The only thing that defines "geek culture" is that it is not mainstream.

    9. Re:Yawn by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Sheldon shows classical Autism Spectrum symptoms.

      Non sequitur. The show makes fun of Sheldon because he's an asshole and a smart ass.

    10. Re:Yawn by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates is probably on the autism spectrum, but we all love to make fun of him. Mostly because if we made fun of Ballmer we'd have chairs thrown at us.

    11. Re:Yawn by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I do get the controversy.

      I'm still unaware that there is a controversy.

    12. Re:Yawn by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Sheldon shows classical Autism Spectrum symptoms."
      no. No he does not.

      Lets see:
      Significant problems developing nonverbal communication skills, such as eye-to-eye gazing, facial expressions, and body posture.
      Nope.

      Lack of interest in sharing enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people.
      nope.

      Lack of empathy. People with autism may have difficulty understanding another person's feelings, such as pain or sorrow.
      "If they are poking fun of him, sometimes, if he isn't the but of the joke then seldom."

      Problems taking steps to start a conversation. Also, people with autism have difficulties continuing a conversation after it has begun.
      nope.

      Stereotyped and repetitive use of language. People with autism often repeat over and over a phrase they have heard previously
      nope.

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    13. Re:Yawn by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Ironically, no. The few actual autism behaviors he demonstrates are usually what they make fun of. Specifically his need to maintain a precise routine.

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    14. Re:Yawn by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Family Guy makes fun of america through their stupidity.

      Friends only made funny of people when they weren't being 'cool'

      Cosby didn't make fun at the expense black people

      " The only thing that defines "geek culture" is that it is not mainstream."
      Thank you. Being into something a lot that is mainstream is not being a geek.
      Someone tattoo that on Will Wheaton's forehead, PLEASE.

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    15. Re:Yawn by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      You typed a lot of words for as little as you want to seem to care.

      Were you trying to convince people to see it your way? Clearly not the way it was written.

      You say you don't get it. What if I explained it to you? I'm sure I could find a way to make this relate to you, so that you could at least understand why other people care. Would that help? Was that what you were asking for, in your own strange way?

    16. Re:Yawn by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Dude, his parents are rich. He doesn't need a high salary. Penny needs money, since her acting career isn't working out as she had hoped.

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    17. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are showing signs of autism.

      Sheldon hits several of those items perfectly. So do I. If you can't see it, it's because your autism is too severe.

    18. Re:Yawn by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Congrats, he doesn't have autism. Check out the symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, another condition on the Autism Spectrum. People with Asperger's tend to find mechanisms to deal with social dysfunction, and suffer social developmental delay, rather than complete retardation. Little things like "non-optional social obligation" would resonate with someone who has Asperger's. Ritual and consistency is also very important to those with Asperger's, such as having "his spot" on the couch, or having a narrow and specific time window in which to have a bowel movement, and a multitude of others. Having specific conversational topics he wants to talk about, and will use very poor techniques to direct others to his topics of choice. Obsessive behaviour about specific topics, far beyond the typical hobbyist (trains). Having a selection of canned responses to certain social situations, rather than a dynamic response to a given situation (in one episode, he talks about his process to turn Barry into his friend). He's been tested for mental health, and passed. But he didn't go to the recommended follow-up diagnosis...

      No, he doesn't have classical autism. He doesn't sit in a corner and rock, or scream if strangers touch him (but I suspect he wants to - he does carry sanitizer and refuses to take public transportation, except for trains). But he certainly has been tailored to give many of the signs of stereotypical Asperger's syndrome coupled with high intelligence and a career with little social interaction and a technical focus.

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    19. Re:Yawn by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Poking fun at people because of their behavior is not the same as poking fun at people because of their skin color.

      So we can make fun of rap, bling, and ebonics because those are behaviors, not skin color? Nope. They are on the "do not tease" list.

      Reality proved you wrong. Care to try again?

    20. Re:Yawn by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      It's nonsense. Individualism is all fine and dandy, but completely denying any commonality is quite frankly stupid. And rather typical of geeks, so there you have at least one point of geek culture: the persistent belief that we're all special snowflakes. Even I find that one hard to shed.

      There are certainly some traits that carry over between the groups you mentions. A love for a logically ordered universe is at least one of them. Yes, geek culture has strands in it that may be conflicting. D'oh. Just like baseball fans might dislike American Football, doesn't make either of those groups part of American culture.

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    21. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aspergers is no longer a thing. And autism isn't a superpower.

    22. Re:Yawn by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's fair to think of the characters as being mentally handicapped. I've known people like the Sheldon character, including my own nephew, and I even wonder if I hadn't been born in the 60's if even I might have been diagnosed as autistic as a child. At any rate, none of the people I've known who are autistic are any where near as full of themselves as Sheldon Cooper. He is continually reminding everyone around him how much smarter he is and how great he is at everything. His ego is boundless, and in most situations he shows no regard for anyone but himself. That's not mentally handicapped, that's just being an ass.

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    23. Re:Yawn by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      While much of what you say is true, being mentally handicapped and being an ass are not mutually exclusive.

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  27. Great show, sadly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they fuck it up in the forth or fifth season, once Penny fucked Rajesh, it all went to hell. I ended up having the first three seasons in DVD and then stopped watching the show.

    P.S.: Why is this on /.?

    1. Re:Great show, sadly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't fuck. He prematurely ejaculated.

  28. Pay scale by Livius · · Score: 1

    Incredible! Think how much the writers will be making, seeing as their talent is the real reason for the show's success.

    1. Re:Pay scale by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Incredible! Think how much the writers will be making, seeing as their talent is the real reason for the show's success.

      Not that I don't feel that writers are underpaid for the work they do, but let's not make it out like they are not getting paid at all. WGA base for a 20 of 26 week contract is around $4,700 a week going into the 2014-2015 season. And that's just the minimum. I'm sure most of the staff writers on the show are making above contract minimums by now.

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    2. Re:Pay scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? So they could just hire people off the street to be the actors? No special training, interest, etc?

      I think the actors have more than just a little to do with it.

    3. Re:Pay scale by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      I think the writers and the rest of the crew have even more to do with it.

    4. Re:Pay scale by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      That's probably why Chuck has several hundred million in the bank...

  29. Neck Beard Face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nerd Blackface.. I read that as NeckBeardFace....

  30. Normal for a successful sitcom by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

    Which is why networks love reality shows.

  31. Raj and Sheldon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both of these characters are the only good thing of this show, mainly because they are so hopeless and shit at everything.
    The rest are boring.

    The show still went massively downhill so quickly.
    It went from geeky show to nu-nerd show that appeals to the morons on Facebook that think they are a nerd because they have an iPod / iPhone wrapped around their neck with an earphone lead in their mouth. Such a nerd! LOL!
    Fuck.

  32. Re:They are the rich by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the show really isn't that funny.

    Penny has nice tits though.

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  33. good for them! by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    BBT is very nearly the only thing on tv that isn't totally worthless. Sturgeon's Law ("90 percent of *everything* is crap") especially applies to Hollywood.

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    1. Re:good for them! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You have a very low bar.
      Watch it without the laugh track sometime.
      Once nothing is telling you to laugh, your brain might engage and you will realize that, in fact, none of the 'jokes' are funny and most are just the same joke told in a variety of other sit coms.

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    2. Re:good for them! by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      They use a live studio audience.

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  34. What AC above said... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    n/t

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    1. Re:What AC above said... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The grandparents' argument is basically that nerds only pirate things, which means he never entered a Fry's or Best Buy before everyone started buying everything online.

  35. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not real though.

  36. Re:They are the rich by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sheldon doesn't trust banks because he believes that ATM machines will be the first wave of the robot uprising.

  37. Compare with sports by Geeky · · Score: 1

    Entertainers get paid according to the market value of the entertainment they provide. Full stop. Personally I'm happier seeing them get it for making me laugh than to see someone make more than that kicking a football / hitting a golf ball / swinging a tennis racket (etc). Top footballers (soccer...) earn silly money, and I'm sure it's the same with American football, baseball, basketball etc...

    If people stopped paying to watch them, stopped spending a fortune on the satellite and cable packages, the rewards would come down. That they don't is simply market forces. I don't begrudge them personally, but it makes me a bit sad that the world values their skills so highly.

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    1. Re:Compare with sports by afgam28 · · Score: 1

      I don't think the market values their skills that highly. Only the most successful actors make this kind of money, and if you wanted to compare this to (for example) engineers then the right comparison would be with startup founders who got lucky and sold out for millions (or didn't, and went on to make billions).

      The difference with engineering is that a lot of regular engineers make a decent living. For every rich and successful actor or athlete, there are plenty of others who can't make ends meet. If you add all of this up, you'll see that the world values engineering much more highly than acting or sports.

      Some rough numbers for perspective: the US film industry takes in $10 billion per year in box office revenues, whereas Google alone pulled in $15 billion last quarter. So at least in this example, I don't think the market valuation is that out of whack.

  38. Re:They are the rich by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only Penny is ever in need of cash.

    OMG, so that's why they named her Penny, rather than something like Trillian.

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  39. Re:They are the rich by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    Why the HELL doesn't Sheldon just set up autodeposit?!?

    Maybe all those uncashed checks are $ 2.56 each, from Dr. Knuth.

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  40. Occupy Hollywood! by roca · · Score: 1

    It doesn't seem fair that businesspeople are vilified for being ludicrously overpaid, but actors (and sportspeople) get away with it.

    1. Re:Occupy Hollywood! by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem fair that businesspeople are vilified for being ludicrously overpaid, but actors (and sportspeople) get away with it.

      It's pretty easy to see the difference. Actors don't hire/fire staff (for the most part) and they don't run companies into the ground costing hundreds or thousands of people to go unemployed.

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  41. Re:They are the rich by vandelais · · Score: 2

    Santa isn't real, but I still like to open presents.

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  42. I hate that fucking show by paiute · · Score: 2

    I play hockey with a bunch of high IQ programmers and scientists. We drink beer after in the parking lot and talk about women, technology, and too much about Marvel Comic movies. Those are the intelligent people I hang around with. Sure, I also know flabby, ugly, borderline Asperger's nerds. But why are the only smart people we see in the media modeled on them?

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    1. Re:I hate that fucking show by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Because when you aren't particularly trying to convey any sort of profound truths about the nature of the human condition, it's a common ploy to model a fictional character after a stereotype so that they are more instantly recognizable.

    2. Re:I hate that fucking show by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Ask minorities how they liked it.

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    3. Re:I hate that fucking show by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously trying to compare real-world racial prejudice to how entirely fictional characters are often presented as stereotypes in a storytelling medium?

    4. Re:I hate that fucking show by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Wait. Which is the flabby ugly nerd?

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    5. Re:I hate that fucking show by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Do you mean minority actors who get paid to be in a movie/tv show? They work and get paid. Apparently they like it.

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    6. Re:I hate that fucking show by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      We drink beer after in the parking lot and talk about women , technology, and too much about Marvel Comic movies. ... ut why are the only smart people we see in the media modeled on them?

      I'm guessing your group is a massive sausagefest, which is *NOTHING* like the earlier seasons of BBT. No sireeee. There was no bunch of high IQ males sitting around talking about girls ever. EEeeeynope. None of that.

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    7. Re:I hate that fucking show by paiute · · Score: 1

      Well, my group all has wives or girlfriends, some quite fetching, so I am going to guess that is one difference between us and the television show.

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    8. Re:I hate that fucking show by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      So wait, you sit around with your high IQ male friends and all their wives and girlfriends and talk about girls?

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    9. Re:I hate that fucking show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and then you hop into your sport car, and drive off to your fabulous vacation house Caribbean!

  43. Show Renamed: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Big Bank Theory

  44. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't uncashed cheques expire after 6 months? Sounds like a way to lose a lot of money.

  45. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The difference - to me anyway - is that fake tits look good under clothes but when you unwrap them they look wrong, move wrong - and most important of all - feel wrong. It's like getting a beautifully wrapped present with a cheap toy inside. Disappointing.

  46. Re:They are the rich by OutOnARock · · Score: 1

    This.

  47. Re:They are the rich by mythosaz · · Score: 1

    Checks last forever on television...

  48. Better them than CBS Shareholders! by w1zz4 · · Score: 1

    I don't understand all that hate toward their new contract. CBS are making millions because of this show, why shouldn't they have a fair share of the pie? They deserve that money way more than CBS Shareholders, they are the ones who make the show!

  49. They caught up to Friends? by Cammi · · Score: 1

    So .... they caught up to the Friends actors/actresses?

  50. So? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    Still won't watch the show...

  51. bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A show that poorly illustrates true geeks, with jokes that aren't even half funny. Real life intelligent people don't generally go around going, "Hey, look at me - I'm talking to much because I'm smart".

  52. Show sucks and actors make millions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why these D-Actors make more money than an engineer is absurd. They offer the world nothing useful, just entertainment for the braindead and/or the tasteless.
    What is this world coming to? The show is not even funny, and the latest seasons are probably the worst yet.
    I remember when friends and seinfeld actors where making that much, but atleast their shows had some value, and the actors had something that resembles acting ability.

  53. Re:They are the rich by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

    Checks, to the best of my knowledge, never expire. A bank may choose not to honor a postdated check or an old check, but to the best of my knowledge, there is no law which says banks have to honor anything regarding the date on the check.

    When you write a check, you are supposed to have the money in the account and keep it there until it is cashed regardless of the date on the check. You can usually be held responsible for honoring the check regardless of the date printed.

  54. I want to be a Big Bang Actor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee 1 million per episode where do I sign up? I can act nerdy. I certainly look the part. Wanna hire me for Big Bang? I can be Raj's new love interest.

  55. Re:They are the rich by mythosaz · · Score: 2

    Unless you believe you have a realistic chance of "unwrapping" Kaley Cuoco's tits, I'm not sure there's any distinction to be made...

  56. Never seen the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    having relatives swear the writers copied me down to the very computer used puts a bad taste in my mouth. I refuse to watch this show as if the relatives ever find out that I have, I'd hear no end to how the show reflects my in every nuance. Safe to say no way that this is "stuff that matters"

  57. Jim Parsons deserves way less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has no range whatsoever. Did you see him on SNL this past season? Horrible. Only January Jones has less range.

  58. Who care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not funny since it turned into 'hey look how weird sheldon is!'.

    It had potential before that.

    Now. Not.

  59. Wrong measure by Camael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are using the wrong measure.

    The cast of BBT are not being paid that much because they are good at acting.
    They are being paid that much because collectively, they enable the BBT show to continue being produced, which show generates substantial amounts of income for their corporate overlords through advertising, merchandising, syndication and whatnot.

    The "hundreds of thousands" of other better actors you allude to sadly do not have this earning potential and hence, do not have this kind of paycheck.

    Quality of acting is irrelevant.

  60. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... said the guy who's never touched a tit - real or fake - in his life.

  61. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And he would be right about that. First they came after my card and ate it too. I didn't care because I used online banking. Then they came after my bank statements. I didn't care because wasteful printing is wasteful. Then they came after my account and there was not paper trail to defend me.

  62. Script changes by obeythefist · · Score: 1

    I expect the following script change to take place.

    "Penny... Penny... Penny... " will be replaced with "Porsche... Porsche... Porsche..."

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  63. Nash Bridges filmed near my office by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Back in the 90s I was working in San Francisco, at 4th and Folsom. Don Johnson and Cheech Marin's show Nash Bridge filmed in SF, often under the freeway near my office, and sometimes on one of the streets near us. They'd block things off and film episodes, and the clerk for my department had the hots for him, so she'd have to go watch out the window if they were close enough.

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  64. Who cares by mythix · · Score: 1

    Why is this on here?

  65. Costs more per episode than Dr Who by stiggle · · Score: 1

    The article states that even before the cast wages are included production costs are more than that of Doctor Who.
    HOW!?

    Either BBC is yet again showing what it can do on a shoestring budget, or Hollywood TV has over inflated production costs.

    1. Re:Costs more per episode than Dr Who by ledow · · Score: 1

      Alienware laptop.

      'Nuff said.

  66. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    feel wrong.

    who's never touched a tit - real or fake - in his life.

    Son, you fail it. GP is spot on.

  67. stereotypes aren't that funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sure stereotypes are ever present in our culture. People like to take it to the extreme often, but using the same joke over and over doesn't work. Also humor is different for everybody, if they are getting paid a million dollars a show there is probably some crazy reason unrelated to the actual content provided. I mean... Rifftrax and MST3K are a lot funnier than big bang theory, and yet they don't get the same amount of money? Unfortunately I'll have to be cynical here and point out that people with lots of money want to promote the big bang theory, regardless of the actual humor. It's a classic runaway scheme right now, once something gets too popular people will sink in lots of money into it... For better or for worse. Usually for worse. Obviously this resonates poorly with people who call themselves nerds because typically we've been the least popular. It's somewhat akin to the strange feeling of everybody suddenly liking the Lord of the Rings without reading the books... No doubt, there is more awkwardness to come. But if the show at least encourages people to focus on getting off this rock and space exploration, I'm all for it.

  68. How much by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    are the laughing people getting paid?

  69. Re:They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've made quite clear that Sheldon is paid well by the university, and that he's got piles of un-cashed checks laying around.

    Only Penny is ever in need of cash.

    They're not consistent about the earnings but at no stage is Sheldon "paid well". He just hoards his cash. It's made clear on numerous occasions that the reason he has a room mate is he can't afford the rent on his own.

  70. Re:They are the rich by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

    In some states, checks expire after 6 months, at which time the cash and name of the person issued must be turned over to the state. At that point, they are considered 'abandoned', and the state keeps a record of who it belongs to. The state publishes those names in newspapers, and now on web sites. I have received money myself from finding my name in a newspaper and contacting the state, it was a check I either never cashed or possibly never received.

    Several years ago, I worked for a company in Maine that routinely had it's payroll audited by the state to make sure they were turning the funds over. There was a guy that worked on the shop floor that routinely did not cash his paycheck, the company was constantly reissuing him checks because they expired.

    I don't know what happens if someone cashes a check that's been turned over to the state. I assume that when those funds are turned over, the check has a stop put on it. So while a bank might still initially accept it for deposit, it might be rejected by the issuing bank and cause all kinds of grief.

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  71. Re:They are the rich by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1, Interesting

    And the show really isn't that funny.

    Penny has nice tits though.

    Another reply from the 'I'm a nerd who lives in my mom's basement' crowd. Show ring a little too true for your tastes?? Do you really think coffee means coffee?? Have no social life?? Look forward to your trips to the comic book store???

    Or is it just a little too much over your head that you don't get the jokes.

    I personally find it hilarious, even though I suffer from sometimes feeling like parts of my life are being made fun of. I once told a girl who asked me back to her apartment for coffee that I prefer tea, and proceeded to go home. That stings a little bit whenever I see the episode about the guys not knowing that coffee doesn't always mean coffee.

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  72. It sounds like you're damning it with faint praise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BBT is a network prime time comedy that targets the tastes of the 80% in the 18-40 bracket. This is how the actors can command salaries of millions. The geeky lead characters don't threaten most egos even though they are successful or have zany adventures by way of mild cultural stereotyping. Other "geekier" viewers may find themselves liking the characters if they self-identify with some or all of them. But the characters represented can't possibly be real geeks not because the writers don't understand them, but because the writers have to tune that up or down situationally to ensure they're relatable to the audience without making a portion of them feel diminished for longer than the length of a few targeted jokes or a key narrative arc. Otherwise the show would not be able to retain that broad, advertising-reachable demo.

    That being said... why do the writers feel this is necesary for the show to be successful? That, plus the laugh track, and an over-reliance on referential humor; this makes me not hold the show in high esteem, although I do not begrudge their success.

    It's why I prefer (and recommend) Community over it; it's written by a similarly geek-friendly writing team, but the characters are more consistent and sympathetic, the writing dumbed down less often, no laugh track, and a focus on situational humor and satire, with very little in the way of referential humor. They tend to go one level deeper, familiarity with geek and pop culture provides parallels to events or situations in the show that foreshadow or enhance the humor.

    And then Dan Harmon helped give us Rick and Morty. It kicks Futurama up three notches, with a blow straight to the balls.

  73. Sheldon and Leonard by edawstwin · · Score: 1

    I can totally imagine Sheldon and Leonard having this exact conversation.

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    1. Re:Sheldon and Leonard by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Now you're just trolling.

    2. Re:Sheldon and Leonard by Xest · · Score: 1

      He isn't me. But it's pretty obvious you're making a fool of yourself by further proving my point, obviously other people think so too and in your blindness to the fact you're just making it worse.

      Keep posting, keep proving my point, please. It's funny to watch, just like the show.

  74. Re:They are the rich by damnbunni · · Score: 1

    Not unless the show is set in the past. He stopped sending those out quite a while ago.

  75. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Racist US humor wasn't directed at people with dark skin, in general, or even at all people of African origin. It specifically maligned the public conception of the culture of the descendants of former US slaves. The cause is not that their skin is dark, the cause is that dehumanization is necessary to justify the history of their treatment.

  76. Hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Normal, abnormal - there is "no such thing" as "normal" or "abnormal" - all people are "normal" by their own measure of normality.

    It's when people lose "hope" that they feel it's time to cut the strings on this existence.

    Parents who lose hope for their children's future often will end their child's existence because they truly believe it's the right thing to do (even though we'd most likely disagree, to them it is correct).

    People who lose hope feel that "nothing" will ever be right again, that "nothing" can fix their problem, that "nothing" good will ever happen.

    Hope is an important thing, without it, most people lose the will to exist.

  77. Re:They are the rich by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Because he doesn't trust people to touch his stuff- including banks to touch his money (and after 2007, who can blame him?)

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  78. Re: They are the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh my wife has fakes. They look perfectly real in and out of clothing. As far as feel?I don't even remember what real tits feel like any more

  79. It's not that much by lightbounce · · Score: 1

    After she got her Oscar, Helen Hunt was making $1 million per episode in "Mad About You". Paul Reiser had a clause in his contract that his salary would match Hunt's, so he got $1 million as well. The main stars of "Friends" and "Seinfeld" were supposed to be making in the $1 million per episode range at the end of their series, plus generous fees for syndication. The five or six main voice actors in "The Simpsons" are supposed be making close to $1 million per episode.

  80. Wow! by redbaritone · · Score: 1

    They're not just rich. They're Richie Rich rich.

  81. The Big Friends Theory by Cyfun · · Score: 1

    Leonard = Ross

    Penny = Rachel

    Howard = Chandler

    Bernadette = Monica

    Sheldon = Joey

    Amy = Phoebe

    Raj = Smellycat

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