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Munich Council Say Talk of LiMux Demise Is Greatly Exaggerated

ndogg (158021) writes "The rumors of Munich's city government going back to Microsoft seem to have been greatly exaggerated. There was a review of the city's IT systems that was called for by the mayor, but it wasn't solely just to decide on whether to move back to Microsoft. And while there have been complaints about LiMux, they mostly seem to concern compatibility with OpenOffice.org, which may well be resolved by switching to LibreOffice."

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  1. Trying to create fire from smoke by MadX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly, if there is a remote possibility that a change back could help spread FUD, it's going to be pounced upon.

    1. Re:Trying to create fire from smoke by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was too busy to make comments when this story came up, but I've worked providing IT for offices for a good part of my life. You can get secretaries to bitch about anything. Moving to Windows so they can use the corporate-blessed Microsoft Office doesn't help that. You will still get bitching and moaning.

      You are always going to have problems with any type of "office" app because of the people using it.

    2. Re:Trying to create fire from smoke by gweihir · · Score: 5, Informative

      They have a stupid lawyer as new major that has zero understanding of IT, but is in bed with Microsoft. That is what is going on there. The "stupid" is because he makes claims without a shred of evidence and expects them to be believed. Even people from his own party in the city council are calling him a moron (in more polite, but no less clear terms).

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    3. Re:Trying to create fire from smoke by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This reminds me of a story told by some very old time IBM reps.
      The Selectric typewriter was newly installed for an executive secretary. She complained that the keys were too hard to press. The full IBM support team came to investigate the complaint. They were originally flummoxed because there is no adjustment for key pressure on the typewriter. However, one of them had a brilliant idea. Inserting a screwdriver into the back of the typewriter, he turned it slowly one way then another while the secretary typed. Eventually she pronounced it "fixed".
      Now that's customer service.

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  2. Many other municipalities switched to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...don't know why media keep talking only about Munich. It's not the only city that switched to Linux, several others have. The Italian city of Udine, for example:

    http://www.lffl.org/2014/07/co...

    1. Re:Many other municipalities switched to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and Turin:
      http://www.tomshw.it/cont/news...

      And many other smaller towns.

    2. Re:Many other municipalities switched to Linux by geogob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...don't know why media keep talking only about Munich. It's not the only city that switched to Linux, several others have. The Italian city of Udine, for example:

      http://www.lffl.org/2014/07/co...

      One reason, size...

      Munich : 1,4M
      Udine : 0.1M
      Turin : 0.9M

      source: wikipedia (because only order of magnitude matter).

      Furthermore, Munich is one of the most influential city in one of the most influential country of the European Union. From the size, Turin is not that far behind, but from the impact both cities cannot be compared. All this explains quite easily the media coverage.

      But its quite interesting to see more cities considering this alternative. And with large cities like Turin and Munich doing it effectively, a lot of smaller cities and communes will start to consider open source as a serious alternative.

      The open consideration of such an alternative has much more to do with psychology than with technical needs or limitations. Exactly why the media keep talking about Munich. Psychology. Marketing. And failing to understand this is a large part why open source alternative are still so far beyond what they could be.

  3. Re:NT is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    impressive that you still managed to write that, desipte regular windows update reboots, BSODs and flying chairs.

  4. Re:Old news by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a site post a story and there's nobody to read it, does it cover the news?

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  5. Re:NT is best by wertigon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still regularly get "need to upgrade reboots" on my Windows machine. It's atleast once a month and always seems to pop up when I'm playing a game of LoL or CS:Go.

    Yes, I use my Windows as a Wintendo. Got a problem with that?

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  6. Re:NT is best by donaldm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.

    Err! Win NT6.0 was Microsoft Windows Vista and we know how everyone loved that. Even with NT6.1 (Microsoft Windows 7) you still could get constant reboots and BSODs (first hand experience). Still NT6.2 (MS Win 8) and NT3 (MS Win 8.1) may me stable to you but that GUI IMHO looks like something designed by a 5 year old.

    Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.

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  7. Re:NT is best by just_another_sean · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hmm... That's not what I heard.

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  8. Re:LibreOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One word: PDF

    People sending resumes as editable document should not be hired in the first place.

  9. Re:NT is best by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you should give it another try

    Why? What compelling features does Windows offer that I don't already have? I want to know about Window's value proposition. With software as a service becoming the predominant model, the software you need to get work done is available on any platform. At home I work on Linux, when I travel I take my Android tablet and work just fine on that. I can write and post stories, with pictures and video, from anywhere.

    A few years ago the Microsoft faithful used to make such a big deal about if you wanted to do "real work" you needed Windows. Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. It's great the blue screens are mainly in the past but I'm still missing a reason to get a Windows device.

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  10. Why wasn't it called Munix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Munix would have been way better.

  11. Re: LibreOffice by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you don't have all the same fonts installed, this can happen transferring between the same version and patxh level of Word, on two different computers.
    Hardly a LibreOffice compatibility issue....

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  12. Re:LibreOffice by RoLi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, there are still many small problems, but it really pays off filing a bugreport (with example file) - they have a much better management of bugs than most opensource projects and the chances are good that you will be able to get a fix in a few weeks. I have very good experience with that.

  13. Re:NT is best by thaylin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe there was a recent patch Tuesday that caused massive BSODs, so not sure your point really sticks.

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  14. Re:LibreOffice by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any change to the document would change these bullets.

    There are still small compatibility problems.

    Yes: MS-Office/Word still has compatability problems with OpenOffice.

    Why do people always complain that free s/ware is incompatible with proprietary ones ? OK: in this case he saved as a .docx - mistake, only use document formats that are properly defined, eg .odf - you will still find that MS Word will not import 100% -- in that case where is the problem: MS-Word or Open/Libre-Office ?

  15. Re:NT is best by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Great. Now how do you get it to update without rebooting, which was the actual point you are attempting to draw attention away from.

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  16. Re:NT is best by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "As indicated in another reply, this is a DFO error. Dumb Fucking Operator."

    It has already been pointed out that he was using Windows :-)

    Seriously, you blame the operator when Windows insists on rebooting to complete an application install, requires a reboot for updates that then subsequently cause the system to fail to boot, and makes you wait at the coffee shop for an extra ten minutes after you decide to leave because you can't power down the system, plus an additional five at start time when you start Windows again? Try to be serious.

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  17. Re:Switching to Libreoffice? by Gramie2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but in Libreoffice it's a literal pain in the rear to do, especially if a Spreadsheet is involved.

    A literal pain in the rear? I think you're not doing it correctly.

  18. Re:NT is best by ruir · · Score: 3, Informative

    Arent they? I have seen PLENTY of restaurants with the POS running in Linux, and last time I was at the supermarket and they had a power failure in the line I was waiting, the POS rebooted showing a localized version of CentOS or RedHat... I also have seen some chinese stores with pos running some form of Linux too. On another note I have seen upper market restaurants using ipads to take the orders... Wake up and smell the coffee the days of only Windows POS systems, and dedicated portable devices are over.

  19. Re:NT is best by captaintightpants · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For this one you have to restart your Unity session

    restart your Unity session

    Unity session

    Well there's their problem. They are using Unity.

  20. Re:NT is best by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Informative

    "My Linux desktop at home shows a message that I should restart the computer every time there's a kernel update"

    Yes, but how many times does it suggest that you reboot for application and/or major library installations? With the exception of glibc, never. Even then it is a suggestion, and as you point out you can choose to ignore it.

    Now, how many times have you waited a month before applying updates, applied them, been forced to reboot only to find that there are now more updates and you have to reboot again? How many times have you tried to shutdown and the system treated it as a suggestion?

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  21. Re:Switching to Libreoffice? by styrotech · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm a little scared to think of what "Spreadsheet" means in that context.