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Munich Council Say Talk of LiMux Demise Is Greatly Exaggerated
ndogg (158021) writes "The rumors of Munich's city government going back to Microsoft seem to have been greatly exaggerated. There was a review of the city's IT systems that was called for by the mayor, but it wasn't solely just to decide on whether to move back to Microsoft. And while there have been complaints about LiMux, they mostly seem to concern compatibility with OpenOffice.org, which may well be resolved by switching to LibreOffice."
Honestly, if there is a remote possibility that a change back could help spread FUD, it's going to be pounced upon.
...don't know why media keep talking only about Munich. It's not the only city that switched to Linux, several others have. The Italian city of Udine, for example:
http://www.lffl.org/2014/07/co...
impressive that you still managed to write that, desipte regular windows update reboots, BSODs and flying chairs.
SN already covered this four days ago.
https://soylentnews.org/articl...
I'm going to bed.
The English in the title is all wrong. It should read "Munich Council [says] talk of [Linux] demise is greatly exaggerated"... Editors? Are you there? Is Malda asleep at the wheel as usual?
Greg
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I still regularly get "need to upgrade reboots" on my Windows machine. It's atleast once a month and always seems to pop up when I'm playing a game of LoL or CS:Go.
Yes, I use my Windows as a Wintendo. Got a problem with that?
systemd is not an init system. It's a GNU replacement.
If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.
Err! Win NT6.0 was Microsoft Windows Vista and we know how everyone loved that. Even with NT6.1 (Microsoft Windows 7) you still could get constant reboots and BSODs (first hand experience). Still NT6.2 (MS Win 8) and NT3 (MS Win 8.1) may me stable to you but that GUI IMHO looks like something designed by a 5 year old.
Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Hmm... That's not what I heard.
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One word: PDF
People sending resumes as editable document should not be hired in the first place.
you should give it another try
Why? What compelling features does Windows offer that I don't already have? I want to know about Window's value proposition. With software as a service becoming the predominant model, the software you need to get work done is available on any platform. At home I work on Linux, when I travel I take my Android tablet and work just fine on that. I can write and post stories, with pictures and video, from anywhere.
A few years ago the Microsoft faithful used to make such a big deal about if you wanted to do "real work" you needed Windows. Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. It's great the blue screens are mainly in the past but I'm still missing a reason to get a Windows device.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Munix would have been way better.
If you don't have all the same fonts installed, this can happen transferring between the same version and patxh level of Word, on two different computers.
Hardly a LibreOffice compatibility issue....
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
Yes, there are still many small problems, but it really pays off filing a bugreport (with example file) - they have a much better management of bugs than most opensource projects and the chances are good that you will be able to get a fix in a few weeks. I have very good experience with that.
Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.
Mostly because after all this time, Linux still doesn't support head rotation.
I believe there was a recent patch Tuesday that caused massive BSODs, so not sure your point really sticks.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
There are sometimes small changes in table layout too.
One case where I can confirm a small incompatibility with certainty are the backgrounds in table calls. Word offers some patterns there that are missing when loading the document in LibreOffice, for instance dotted backgrounds. This is not a conversion issue, it is simply a feature that LibreOffice does not have.
Things like that are the reason why using Word and LibreOffice in parallel tends to have some friction. So when switching to Linux, best switch everything if you can and mandate ODF as new document format.
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Any change to the document would change these bullets.
There are still small compatibility problems.
Yes: MS-Office/Word still has compatability problems with OpenOffice.
Why do people always complain that free s/ware is incompatible with proprietary ones ? OK: in this case he saved as a .docx - mistake, only use document formats that are properly defined, eg .odf - you will still find that MS Word will not import 100% -- in that case where is the problem: MS-Word or Open/Libre-Office ?
Hell, at the moment installing the Russian font (well, the rouble symbol) can bluescreen your computer! I'd rather send a word document with bullet points of my junk to employers, I can blame it on Word screwing the formatting and everyone will believe me (snigger)
"The desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, Xfce, ect.) on Linux are ugly, slow, buggy, and generally shitty. But, as a Linux zealot, you have no choice, thus you embrace them, warts and all."
pot, kettle black. you've obviously never used a linux desktop.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Great. Now how do you get it to update without rebooting, which was the actual point you are attempting to draw attention away from.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
It has already been pointed out that he was using Windows :-)
Seriously, you blame the operator when Windows insists on rebooting to complete an application install, requires a reboot for updates that then subsequently cause the system to fail to boot, and makes you wait at the coffee shop for an extra ten minutes after you decide to leave because you can't power down the system, plus an additional five at start time when you start Windows again? Try to be serious.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
...but in Libreoffice it's a literal pain in the rear to do, especially if a Spreadsheet is involved.
A literal pain in the rear? I think you're not doing it correctly.
Arent they? I have seen PLENTY of restaurants with the POS running in Linux, and last time I was at the supermarket and they had a power failure in the line I was waiting, the POS rebooted showing a localized version of CentOS or RedHat... I also have seen some chinese stores with pos running some form of Linux too. On another note I have seen upper market restaurants using ipads to take the orders... Wake up and smell the coffee the days of only Windows POS systems, and dedicated portable devices are over.
I don't suppose you ever heard the term "Laptops and Lederhosen", have you? Munich is where most of the German IT industry is, and population and job growth are still outstripping the real estate market. In that respect, it's the anti-Detroit with its abandoned neighbourhoods.
None of this matters to me. Windows is fundamentally broken on so many levels. They used the universal escape character for the path separator. You cannot assess an open file, even to read it, so you have to shut things down to do ANYTHING. The logs can only be accessed using an API, and unless you register all kinds of crazy garbage, the EventLog has a bunch of empty columns. Creating a Service is the most complicated process imaginable three layers deep.
Even the Help system has been rewritten so may times, it never works right. The shell is broken and stupid unless you use the PowerShell... and again. It's 10 pounds of technology for a 1 pound problem. PowerShell is a complete pain to deal with. The Registry is a mess. All kinds of system files are just dumped into system32.
Almost everything In Windows is a mess. I don't want anything to do with it.
Yeah.. great, but Word renders documents differently computer to computer.
The use of .doc or .docx for that purpose shows a lack of understanding of how the file file formats work or what purpose. The proper file format for that purpose is usually PDF.
If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.
Err! Win NT6.0 was Microsoft Windows Vista and we know how everyone loved that. Even with NT6.1 (Microsoft Windows 7) you still could get constant reboots and BSODs (first hand experience). Still NT6.2 (MS Win 8) and NT3 (MS Win 8.1) may me stable to you but that GUI IMHO looks like something designed by a 5 year old.
Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.
I get more BSODs and reboots with my iPhone 5S (and kernel panics) with Apple products than I do with my two windows Machines. My iPhone 5S reboots itself about 3 times a day (blue screen and all, yes its true, you can youtube to see for yourself). I get a kernel panic on my work MacBook pro about twice a week, and have to reboot my personal MacBook pro about once every week or two. Meanwhile my two Windows 7 machines get rebooted at most once a month when patch Tuesday rolls around. So I guess it just all depends on your hardware and what you happen to be doing with those machines.
For this one you have to restart your Unity session
restart your Unity session
Unity session
Well there's their problem. They are using Unity.
The only time you have to restart Linux is if you change Kernel or Kernel header files. Otherwise just upgrade and walk away without having to reboot.
All software has holes, but atleast Linux lets me upgrade my machine when I want it to, not force me when I'm right in the middle of something.
I still get those from Windows on a regular basis. It still annoys me. And if you say "Oh but that's so easy to fix, just do xyz" - well, it's dead-easy to fix a lot of things with Linux commandline too. And just as much a valid solution to a given problem. So there. Neither OS is better than the other, but some have more strengths than others.
systemd is not an init system. It's a GNU replacement.
Yes, but how many times does it suggest that you reboot for application and/or major library installations? With the exception of glibc, never. Even then it is a suggestion, and as you point out you can choose to ignore it.
Now, how many times have you waited a month before applying updates, applied them, been forced to reboot only to find that there are now more updates and you have to reboot again? How many times have you tried to shutdown and the system treated it as a suggestion?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Does apt-get (or yum) automatically restart every service and program that uses a library that it has updated?
No? Then you can't just 'walk away' if you care about security in the slightest. Your running Apache will continue using the buggy old OpenSSL version until you restart the service. You *could* take your system down to single-user "emergency" mode, then back up... That's technically not a reboot, but close enough that most people would call it that.
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Actively malicious?
I'm a little scared to think of what "Spreadsheet" means in that context.