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Reported iCloud Hack Leaks Hundreds of Private Celebrity Photos

swinferno writes with news about the leak of hundreds of private celebrity photos over the weekend. Hundreds of revealing pictures of female celebrities were leaked overnight after being stolen from their private collections. Hunger Games actress Jennifer Lawrence, Kirsten Dunst, and pop star Ariana Grande were among the celebrities apparently shown in the pictures, which were posted on infamous web forum 4chan. It's unclear how the images were obtained, but anonymous 4chan users said that they were taken from celebrities' iCloud accounts. The accounts are designed to allow iPhone, iPad, and Mac users to synchronize images, settings, calendar information, and other data between devices, but the service has been criticized for being unreliable and confusing. Earlier this year, Jennifer Lawrence herself complained about the service in an interview with MTV.

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  1. Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where are these photos you speak of?

    I guess the internets are dead.

    1. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on 4chan, and most of the selfies aren't from idevices - so "iCloud" hack is a lie.

    2. Re:Where are these photos? by discord5 · · Score: 1

      I guess the internets are dead.

      I gather many internets were given away yesterday at 4chan. You might try there, some people might still have some.

      On second thought... better not.

    3. Re:Where are these photos? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2, Informative
    4. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Head over to http://www.reddit.com/r/thefappening.

      You're welcome.

    5. Re:Where are these photos? by slimshady76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      (waving hand in front of your face) These aren't the photos you are looking for...

    6. Re:Where are these photos? by _xeno_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't need to take photos using an iDevice to have them end up in iCloud. All you need to do is use a Mac.

      If you use a Mac to download pictures off your camera - including cell phones that aren't iPhones and therefore behave like standard cameras and don't require Apple-specific software - by default, your pictures will end up in iCloud. It's part of the "Photo Stream" thing to allow users to stream pictures to the Apple TV that clearly every Mac owner has.

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    7. Re:Where are these photos? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and this is critical in the difference between 'leaked' and 'stolen'.

      How did they actually get taken? Pissed celeb assistant, social engineering of each celeb, or actual hack of some photo storage system where they all were.

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    8. Re:Where are these photos? by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 5, Informative

      Reddit : /r/TheFappening http://www.reddit.com/r/TheFap...

    9. Re:Where are these photos? by bluec · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not strictly true, this only happens if a) you sign in to icloud through system preferences or during the mac setup assistant and b) use iPhoto (and possibly iTunes) for your photo management. Apple haven't quite, yet, made it compulsory to use all their crapware if you want to use a mac.

    10. Re:Where are these photos? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      I would be very surprised if the entire archive isn't on TPB by now.

    11. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're just rar files with a bunch of grainy badly-lit phone-camera photos. The photos are not worth it unless you have massive hots for someone there. (Kirsten Dunst's aren't bad though.)

      (By the way, you missed seven out of the ten torrents. It's a total of ~12 MB. Not sure why someone chose to make ten torrents out of the leak.)

    12. Re:Where are these photos? by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Informative
      A brute-force program to hack AppleID passwords was recently uploaded to the software-hosting GitHub. The program, appropriately called iBrute, is designed to flood AppleID logons with possible password combinations. The assumption is that the hacker would know the username, often derived from an email address.

      Shortly before the stolen images were announced, the owner of iBrute announced the vulnerability — Find My iPhone did not deny access to brute force methods of figuring out a password. Early this morning, the same iBrute owner announced that the vulnerability has been closed, although there has not yet been confirmation from Apple.

      iBrute is now reportedly locked out. But there is also speculation that the Find My iPhone hack was not solely to blame for all the apparently stolen files. For instance, someone could trick a celebrity user — or the celebrity’s assistant — into revealing enough information to gain access to iCloud backups. Additionally, it’s possible other online services were involved, since some of the images reportedly show celebrities using Android mobile devices.

      http://venturebeat.com/2014/09...

    13. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The photo stream shares pictures automatically across devices and computers. That way I don't have to connect your devices to see the pics in your computer, or access with an iPad a pic you took with your iPhone. It's handy. It can be easily disabled as well...

    14. Re:Where are these photos? by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not by default at all - you have to specifically add the photos to iPhoto and then turn on iCloud in system preferences.

      Downloading pictures off a camera/usb stick/android phone can be done with Image Capture, and this does not put them on iCloud, just into folders on your computer.

      Adding them to iPhoto is what puts them onto iCloud, and only if you turn it on - when you set up a Mac for the first time it asks you if you want it switched on (and prompts for an Apple ID).

      If you use Aperture or iPhoto you can still keep things local only - there's a checkbox in preferences that turns off the iCloud sync.

    15. Re:Where are these photos? by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      I think this is why reddit is so slow today.

    16. Re:Where are these photos? by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interesting.

      Direct source seems to confirm.

      https://github.com/hackappcom/...

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    17. Re:Where are these photos? by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Informative

      You don't need to take photos using an iDevice to have them end up in iCloud. All you need to do is use a Mac.

      If you use a Mac to download pictures off your camera - including cell phones that aren't iPhones and therefore behave like standard cameras and don't require Apple-specific software - by default, your pictures will end up in iCloud. It's part of the "Photo Stream" thing to allow users to stream pictures to the Apple TV that clearly every Mac owner has.

      Not only that... but anyone you share the photos with could have had an iPhone as well. By default smartphones backup your photos both with Google and Apple, so if anyone you shared the pics with gets hacked, you, by default are hacked as well.

    18. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or if they shared the photos with a paramour or significant other, if that person saved them on a Mac...

      What it comes down to is, if you don't want naked pictures of yourself to end up for all the world to see, don't take naked pictures of yourself. Famous or not, just don't do it.

      Yes, it's wrong for someone to seek to steal your nude photos, but pragmatically people want to satisfy their prurient interests. If you're famous and if your beauty was in large-part responsible for getting you there, you've created incentive for those fans to want to see more. That's why programs like Entertainment Tonight, Extra, and TMZ can make a living, because people want to satisfy their prurient interests with you. Some like Paris Hilton and Mrs. Kanye West and the rest of the Kardashian family have managed to exploit that successfully in the past, and others like Miley Cyrus are trying very hard to exploit that now, and unfortunately their antics have helped to make it acceptable, to an extent, for this invasive phenomenon to stand.

      Once the genie's out of the bottle it's over. Apparently Lawrence's lawyers are threatening to sue or refer for criminal prosecution anyone that shares the photos of her. I very much doubt they'll have a lot of luck though, even if the original source of the leak is found. If anything they're just going to make it worse via Streisand Effect.

      And for those that say I'm blaming the victim, yes, I am blaming the victim. I'm also blaming the leaker and the culture of invasiveness that makes these leaks so incredibly desired, but I am blaming the victim. Would you go walking through a part of town known for muggings during the time of day or night when those muggings are most likely to happen? Yeah, it's wrong for the mugger to attack you, but armed with the knowledge that you're placing yourself in undue risk you'd generally avoid doing that because the only behavior that you can control is your own. Same thing applies here. It's 100% wrong for someone to fraudulently obtain access to your account and your cache of nude photos of yourself, but you know that if others know they exist they'll certainly try, or if you're famous you know that they'll try just to see if they exist in the first place, so despite the very much known risk you've put yourself in a position to become a victim. Don't do that.

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    19. Re:Where are these photos? by SternisheFan · · Score: 0

      Apple patched the API that had previously allowed unlimited attempts to guess passwords. Now, for a company that prides themselves on strict security, this was dumb.

    20. Re:Where are these photos? by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      Look at it this way:

      iCloud should be very useful for lots of things, same as OneDrive on Microsoft platforms. Most people will want it enabled.

      Apple really really really pushes their iPhoto crap. Most clueless users end up using it.

      From this perspective, I would not be surprised if most people ended up belonging to the "all pictures are uploaded to iCloud" group, as a sort of default state.

    21. Re:Where are these photos? by carlhaagen · · Score: 1

      No. Stop talking out of your butt now. By default they do not end up on your iCloud account. For this to happen in OS X you need to explicitly 1) set up an iCloud account, and 2) enable automatic iCloud backups of "default" folders.

    22. Re:Where are these photos? by ericloewe · · Score: 0

      I knew Apple had crappy Windows programmers (some might say "evil" even...), but it seems the problem is larger.

      An internet-facing service that doesn't protect against brute force? It's not like enforcing 5 minutes of wait after a few tries is hard.

    23. Re:Where are these photos? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Where are these photos you speak of?

      I guess the internets are dead.

      https://kickass.to/the-fappeni...

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    24. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since when has Apple prided itself or even claimed strict security? They claim pretty hardware and perhaps strong integration with their other products for interoperbility, and based on the numbers of prototypes that have been accidentally left in public places, they don't even maintain good security on those.

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    25. Re:Where are these photos? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 0

      the pics can only end up in photostream if you download them into iphoto. even then, i'm not sure the settings about which photos go into the stream. i haven't used iphoto in years, it's a horrible bloated program. I'm excited they're jettisoning it for photos on the mac.

    26. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 2

      There are millions of photos of naked women out there that can be viewed wiithout violating anyone's privacy.

      Strictly speaking, while there are lots of paid model/glamour photos, there are also lots of leaked/shared/stolen photos of women that probably didn't want their images shared with the world too. So short of paying for the images from sites that only publish photos that they took themselves, you're probably still going to be violating someone's privacy.

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    27. Re:Where are these photos? by mallyn · · Score: 1

      Thank you. This friend speaks for me. Don't take the darn picture!

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    28. Re:Where are these photos? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the same reasons you don't use dropbox, onedrive, etc, you don't use iCloud. Basically, if you don't want the world to see it, don't use cloud services. This is pretty simple and easy to understand. For all intents and purposes, anything "cloud" equals world access.

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    29. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why is this comment modded off-topic? Not only is it perfectly on-topic, but it also illustrates why you assholes that are seeking to aquire these photos really shouldn't be!

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    30. Re:Where are these photos? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Where are these photos you speak of?

      I guess the internets are dead.

      Ya. "Pics or it didn't happen."

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    31. Re:Where are these photos? by mick88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really good points, all - it's not like someone broke into these people's houses & took pictures of them in the nude unawares. However... I don't think that the "victims" here are necessarily freaking out that the pictures exist or are worried what the public will think of their naked bodies (as you pointed out they are mostly beautiful anyway). I think that they are trying to treat the stealing & dissemination of stolen images as a crime, which it is.

      So while I agree that the best solution to keeping your nudie pics off the web is to not take them in the first place (as Joshua would say: "The only winning move is not to play") , I am all for treating it like a crime and following up even if your actions end up Streisand Effecting your photos in the process.

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    32. Re:Where are these photos? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Not sure why someone chose to make ten torrents out of the leak

      Maybe that makes it easier to do traffic correlation on Tor.

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    33. Re:Where are these photos? by flayzernax · · Score: 2

      Or, you know. People should maybe be concerned about computer security and the companies that held those pictures "securely" should be held partly responsible for creating a false sense of security or encouraging reckless behavior.

      Although I'm sure they are indemnified against anything civil in writing (I don't think it would be good to prosecute apple criminally culpable).

      But they basically sold a service giving the customer a fraudulent sense of false safety and privacy.

    34. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 3

      Some are freaking-out though, or at least their publicity management people are. From what I gather, someone started tweeting they were fake, and apparently the more were released to prove they weren't.

      I do expect that the leaking of such images could cost actors some roles or cause other damage. Family-friendly movies might not cast them if the controversy would hurt the bottom-line of the movie, or these could end up pushing the actress toward the casting-couch. Or, as we've seen with other actresses that have gone off the deep end in concert with nude photos or public indecency photos, they could end up with a reputation that means they don't really get cast at all.

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    35. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Well, when I got my phone that uses "the cloud", security was never a marketing feature touted. Come to think of it, the only cloud-served phone that I can think of that really talks about security is Blackberry, and that seems tenuous at best.

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    36. Re:Where are these photos? by tysonedwards · · Score: 2

      Actually, they *don't yet* do that. It's one of those features that Apple's talking about doing with Yosemite.

      Presently it is default behavior to have anything on an iDevice goes to PhotoStream if it's saved though. If the photos were texted to someone with an iPhone or whatever and they pressed Save, then they can immediately show up on their PhotoStream accounts.

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    37. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You get a shot at seeing boobies and all the sudden all those complaints you have about the NSA peeking at your files goes flying out the window. When that's brought up all the sudden we've got something worthwhile to spend our mod-points on. Cute.

      Let me make this simple in case there's a post-fap-clearer-head lurking around this area of the thread: No, you do not have a good reason to acquire those photos. Yes, you are a bad person for grabbing them and sharing them. No, modding my posts down does not make me wrong about it. You lot, and you know who you are, are despicable.

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    38. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be a better idea to just not download them. Oh, who am I kidding, nobody cares about privacy while they're holding their dick in their hand.

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    39. Re:Where are these photos? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      It was either very dumb of Apple to do this, or very deliberate.

    40. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloading pictures [...] can be done with Image Capture

      Assume you do not work in tech. What is the likelihood that you even know about Image Capture or want to self-manage your photo files?

    41. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NSA has been whacking off to them for weeks probably. :P

      Honestly, if you're stupid enough to upload naked pictures of yourself to the "cloud", you deserve what you get.

    42. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CumFiesta!

    43. Re:Where are these photos? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1, Troll

      There are no buts man. up until you did the old victim blaming thing I had respect for your opinion. Once you did the blame the victim rant IMO you are no better then the people who stole the images. Should we stop driving cars because of the way other drive that's what your saying. Should we stop going outside for fear of getting mugged that's what your saying. Don't go outside don't live don't depend on others stay inside and maybe be more safe because well your putting your life at risk when you use a stove or the home heater might go bad or the roof might fall in blaming the victim is what cowards do IMEO

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    44. Re:Where are these photos? by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Some are freaking-out though, or at least their publicity management people are. From what I gather, someone started tweeting they were fake, and apparently the more were released to prove they weren't.

      If all the leaked photos are very "private", then I suspect they are fakes.

      On the other hand, if there are lots of "boring" pictures, too, it's likely they are real.

    45. Re:Where are these photos? by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      Yes, but your phone probably didn't explicitly say your photos could be accessed in the cloud by other people. Or describe what security measures were in place. Nor did you probably read the legalese that comes with the EULA or license. And in fact most phones have an option to read through this deeply embedded in the menu system. So it may in fact have said that your pictures would be secure. I know that my andriod makes no such claim, but the individual software packages that come with it all have their own terms.

      IANAL so I don't even know if this matters. But it seems irresponsible of Apple in this case.

    46. Re:Where are these photos? by Khyber · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Since when has Apple prided itself or even claimed strict security? "

      Uhh, remember the Macs don't get viruses campaign?

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    47. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am happy to blame the victim in all circumstances where the victim was presented with the information needed to understand the odds of it and to avoid becoming a victim in advance of it happening. The crux of the matter is that I do not *only* blame the victim.

      More than a decade ago my pickup truck was stolen out of the parking lot of the apartment that I lived in. I didn't have a steering wheel lock or other immobilization device on it and per my parents' advice only had liability coverage, as it was an older truck and only worth a couple-thousand dollars Unfortunately I had also just been laid-off, and couldn't afford to buy another vehicle and left with none. I bore at least some responsibility as I did not make an effort to see how theft-prone these trucks were, did not use anything to make the vehicle a harder target, and didn't have the insurance necessary to deal with it. My parents also accepted some blame in that the insurance situation was their idea, and they let me borrow a vehicle until I found work, then they bought me a cheap vehicle and I paid them back as I could afford to.

      Blaming the victim does not mean demonizing the victim. It means there's an understanding that the victim took unnecessary risks and suffered the consequences of those risks when the odds fell against their favor. This is a cruel world that we live in, and while it's nice to think that maybe some day people won't commit acts against each other, that is never going to happen and we all have to do our part to protect ourselves, as again, we can only affect our own behavior, not anyone else's.

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    48. Re:Where are these photos? by 2ms · · Score: 5, Informative

      What a bunch of nonsense. How do they "really really really" push iPhoto on Macs? It's there and it launches if you don't have photo imports associated with another app instead. I guess you would prefer that Macs come unable to handle photos out of the box?

    49. Re:Where are these photos? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      What it comes down to is, if you don't want naked pictures of yourself to end up for all the world to see, don't take naked pictures of yourself.

      Many of the photos appear to be taken by other people. In any case, people should be free to explore their sexuality with photos if they want, without the risk that they will be broadcast to the world. It's bad enough that paparazzi use telephoto lenses to take pictures of people in their own private areas.

      Poor security is not a given, it's just the norm. Don't accept it. If more companies were facing lawsuits with truly punitive damages they might make more of an effort.

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    50. Re:Where are these photos? by Nyder · · Score: 1
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    51. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pics are real, a large portion of them, look at exif data and order by date taken. For some the leaks are probably not from their own device cameras but boyfriends or somesuch - but you can see iphone 5/4s and also android camera models with completely consistent timestamps and other bits listed in EXIF.

    52. Re:Where are these photos? by m00sh · · Score: 1

      A brute-force program to hack AppleID passwords was recently uploaded to the software-hosting GitHub. The program, appropriately called iBrute, is designed to flood AppleID logons with possible password combinations. The assumption is that the hacker would know the username, often derived from an email address.

      Shortly before the stolen images were announced, the owner of iBrute announced the vulnerability — Find My iPhone did not deny access to brute force methods of figuring out a password. Early this morning, the same iBrute owner announced that the vulnerability has been closed, although there has not yet been confirmation from Apple.

      iBrute is now reportedly locked out. But there is also speculation that the Find My iPhone hack was not solely to blame for all the apparently stolen files. For instance, someone could trick a celebrity user — or the celebrity’s assistant — into revealing enough information to gain access to iCloud backups. Additionally, it’s possible other online services were involved, since some of the images reportedly show celebrities using Android mobile devices.

      http://venturebeat.com/2014/09...

      The "find my iphone" bruteforce attack has been known for months. Search for how to get rid of "iCloud lock" and you'll see results.

      I think once the iCloud password was found, then the same password was probably used to access other sites. Though I don't know why models/actresses would put dropbox and other cloud services on their phone.

      I'm sure tools have been created that trawls the internet for e-mail addresses and tries to guess the password for the iCloud service. If you have the same user/pass combo in iCloud as anywhere else, then your account is probably compromised.

    53. Re:Where are these photos? by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      I understand what you mean, and on that point you're correct. But regarding the hardware and it's capacity, having hand-held PCs on us all the time, is a double-edged sword, no matter what. Once you cross that barrier (to have one on you at all times or not) then it's up to you to use it 'correctly'. These devices are capable of storing a lot of different information, and that fact can be taken advantage of, depending on the information that we choose to store on said device.

      That being said, those that choose to enjoy someone being taken advantage of, and snickering about it... that's the definition of sociopath.

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    54. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 1

      I think that qualifies as, "enjoying the fruits of it"...

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    55. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 0

      I remember fanbois going on about how Macs don't get viruses, but I don't remember Apple stating that.

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    56. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Way too many faces for them all to be fakes.

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    57. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's the definition of sociopath

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    58. Re:Where are these photos? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If someone put their money in a reputable bank and it was stolen, would you blame them? The photos were in password protected accounts from a reputable company that claimed to be secure. There were no "your photos may be hacked" warnings. While it may seem obvious to people like us that the risk is there, most people don't think that way and can't really be blamed for not doing so. How is a password for iCloud any different from the password for your online banking or PIN number for the average person?

      They evaluated the risks with the information they had, and Apple failed them. If Apple were a bank they would be entirely liable for any financial loss, no question.

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    59. Re: Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even when apple, and those who took the pictures, are responsible for the breach, you manage to crowbar an anti-MS rant into your statement. I'm not an ms apologist, but that's pretty tenuous.

    60. Re:Where are these photos? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually Apple do claim that iCloud is very secure: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT...

      Apple have long claimed to offer platforms free from malware and protected from hacking too. iOS even protects your kids from inappropriate content. Apple make big claims about security all the time.

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    61. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Money, important as it is, is impersonal. Any given United States Dollar can be exchanged with any other United States Dollar in the context of being fiat currency and it is irrelevant to the owner, and a perpetrator that steals a Dollar from someone has no further power over the victim and cannot continue to harm the victim after the original theft. In the case of banks, there are laws governing the culpability and liability of a bank to its depositors, to the point that the FDIC forces banks to shut down and merge when they get overleveraged to prevent a complete failure.

      As to the personal side of the money angle, if I don't follow good practices like attempting to protect my PIN, then perhaps I deserve the headache associated with having to deal with the bank to get the matter resolved.

      On the other hand, naked pictures are personal, and the argument can be made that the continued distribution is further victimization when the pictures were made in private and were redistributed without permission. It gets murkier when one considers the copyright belongs to the photographer, not the subject, but if the distributor is not the copyright holder then in the past, the subject has been considered a victim.

      On the same vein, this is not the first time that celebrities have had their personal photos redistributed by someone other than the subject or the photographer. Off the top of my head, Kat Dennings and Scarlett Johansson were recent victims of this, and there have been numerous redistributions of private photos unauthorized by both the photographer and the subject, and more still that were unauthorized by just the subject, such as Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian.

      If they were taken off of an Apple server/service, then yes, Apple might bear some culpability, but based on what I've seen, Apple is no worse than anyone else, they all fail. The entire industry needs an enema, everything from the communications protocols that our data transfers happen on to the user credential policies is flawed, and that includes the servers, services, and underlying code that makes it all work.

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    62. Re:Where are these photos? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Wow. Some pretty hard core stuff in there. :) I think this is the kind of tech news that will make the main stream news. Happy Monday Apple.

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    63. Re:Where are these photos? by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      I would be very surprised if the entire archive isn't on TPB by now.

      It's on mega too. Not that I know anything about that....

      Personally I think this "crisis" is a marketing campaign by Samsung, lol.

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    64. Re:Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately the addage, "three may share a secret...if two are dead," applies perfectly here. All of the system/software security in the world doesn't matter if someone that is authorized decides to violate the trust of the other party.

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    65. Re:Where are these photos? by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      You get a shot at seeing boobies and all the sudden all those complaints you have about the NSA peeking at your files goes flying out the window. When that's brought up all the sudden we've got something worthwhile to spend our mod-points on. Cute.

      Let me make this simple in case there's a post-fap-clearer-head lurking around this area of the thread: No, you do not have a good reason to acquire those photos. Yes, you are a bad person for grabbing them and sharing them. No, modding my posts down does not make me wrong about it. You lot, and you know who you are, are despicable.

      Jennifer Lawrence, is that you?

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    66. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you know that if others know they exist they'll certainly try, or if you're famous you know that they'll try just to see if they exist in the first place, so despite the very much known risk you've put yourself in a position to become a victim

      Yup, just like if you make a fairly good living, and own some things of modest value (say, consumer electronics, locked inside a typical suburban house), you've just made yourself the covetous envy of other people, and by living in a house, you've put yourself in a position to become a victim. So it's definitely your fault if someone breaks down your door and takes your stuff. You deserve it, for sure, by virtue of having the stuff that someone else saw fit to steal. The very act of being robbed makes you deserve it, right? Right? Don't be an idiot.

    67. Re:Where are these photos? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      well, i don't really know the behavior of iphoto because i dont use it because its so unwieldly. my motto is, if the icon has to bounce more than once then the program is too bloated.

    68. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without wading into the morality of the subject, there is a clear difference between NSA surveillance and stealing nude photos. One is about power and the other is simply more juvenille. The former carries all the risks of sliding into an authoritarian state (checks and balances on power are the only thing holding it back and it was set up this way from the beginning). So yes, one can worry about the NSA with concern and consider the other frivolous (even if obviously immoral).

    69. Re:Where are these photos? by lucm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't put iCloud in the same category as Dropbox, OneDrive or Google Drive. iCloud is a joke and people use it only because it's bundled with the iDevices and shoved down people's throat (like IE).

      Apple has a culture of nonchalance and carelessness because they have a strong brand and a captive customer base. Shame on them for putting their users in a tough spot and not caring about it.

      Most cloud providers offer a very secure hosting environment. Apple should do the right thing: forget their iCloud and build instead a partnership with a company that knows how to operate cloud services. Just like Netflix had the guts to pull the plug on their own infrastructure and leverage AWS.

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    70. Re:Where are these photos? by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      Once the genie's out of the bottle it's over. Apparently Lawrence's lawyers are threatening to sue or refer for criminal prosecution anyone that shares the photos of her. I very much doubt they'll have a lot of luck though, even if the original source of the leak is found. If anything they're just going to make it worse via Streisand Effect.

      Seriously, the Streisand Effect? This is already all over the internet and news, going after those responsible for it won't change that in the slightest.

    71. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buh?

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      All I did was hit reply, typed in the message, and then hit send. This keeps coming up, but it's a fresh reply form each time.

      Anyway:

      Slashdot: Where we care about privacy, unless there's a chance to see a naked girl Pro-tip: There are millions of photos of naked women out there that can be viewed wiithout violating anyone's privacy. Go make use of those if you're in so desperate need.

      Strange, you appear to have equated the entire Slashdot readership with the inflamed hormones of a single individual.

    72. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I advocate enforced privacy through law and technical means because I know that humans have weak impulse control when it comes to accessing information which they have interest in. Case in point.

      You're advocating privacy through self-control. Since that's obviously not working out, you're resorting to guilt-tripping people.
      Well guess what, this is a perfect example why we need a stronger emphasis on privacy. Apple and all other companies involved should be made to bear part of the responsibility for these leaks.

      And the users need to be aware that these things will happen so they know better than to store sensitive information online, no matter what the vendors claim.

    73. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      One of the reasons privacy is important is that you don't want somebody, be it the government or some random stranger, having something they can use against you. I don't have any problem with conceding that the NSA's behaviour is a much bigger deal, but when you break things down to their basic components the philosophy is still very much the same whether it's about extorting money or punishment for having that political bumper sticker on your car.

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    74. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "You're advocating privacy through self-control."

      No, I'm not, I'm suggesting that the behaviour in question is damaging the value of privacy. By behaving as though celebrities have no expectation of privacy one thing you're not doing is strengthening the privacy of everybody else.

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    75. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Psst. That argument doesn't work when you're actually doing something wrong!

    76. Re:Where are these photos? by Khyber · · Score: 1
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    77. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From reading the last handful of days of posts from the site this stuff originally came from, it looks like most of this stuff came from iCloud. There is just pages and pages and pages of people offering to rip iCloud accounts. You give them a username (email address), they get the stuff and upload it to dropbox for you. I don't know if they were doing it for money, trades, or the lolz., but for the last week or so it looks pretty constant.

      Some were showing screencaps of their licensed version of the software that bruteforced the password to prove their bona fides.

      I read a thing earlier talking about a group who collects and trades celeb hacked photos and the theory goes that once someone in the group started posting some of this stuff, others started trying to sell quick (bitcoin transactions) before everything was out and the value was nil.

    78. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If people get hacked because they choose weak passwords or do not enable two factor authentication, it is not Apple's fault. We don't know if this was done using an exploit, but there are exploits and weakness on all platforms.

    79. Re:Where are these photos? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You don't need to take photos using an iDevice to have them end up in iCloud. All you need to do is use a Mac.

      What? The cloud can never fail! It is perfectly secure, and any problem is our fault.

      Except of course, in almost every instance. If it is in the cloud, it is looked at and readily available. Mac or Android, or ubuntu one, or, or, or

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    80. Re:Where are these photos? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What a bunch of nonsense. How do they "really really really" push iPhoto on Macs? It's there and it launches if you don't have photo imports associated with another app instead. I guess you would prefer that Macs come unable to handle photos out of the box?

      When a person hates Macs, they can't stand the color of the power cord.

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    81. Re: Where are these photos? by TWX · · Score: 2

      It may prolong it though, if it continues making the news due to lawsuits or criminal prosecution, or re-introduce it once it's subsided.

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    82. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to sign into iCloud on your Mac *and* opt into Photo Stream. It's not turned on by default, even when you do sign in to iCloud.

      Nice try. Go back to compiling your kernel, hater.

    83. Re:Where are these photos? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2
      Photo Stream is on a one month loop. After that they're gone. They're not recoverable, even if Apple is not actually deleting them for some reason.

      The rumor is a brute force password attack through a path that didn't limit attempts. However, it seems unlikely that all these celebs would have guessable passwords and that the attacker would know their Apple ID.

      The details that are slowly emerging don't add up so well to an iCould (in particular) breach, but rather it's the emergence of a large collection gathered slowly over time through a multitude of sources and devices and techniques.

    84. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Strange, you appear to have equated the entire Slashdot readership with the inflamed hormones of a single individual."

      If it's a single individual then there's no real value in posting a link and having people mod that post up, right?

    85. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Slashdot: Where we care about privacy, unless there's a chance to see a naked girl.

      I think it's fair to say that a lot of us hold this position: we care about privacy, unless it's the privacy of somebody who has deliberately become a public figure. Celebrities make large sums of money by exposing themselves to the public. Part of that bargain, in many of our opinions, is that they lose their right to privacy.

    86. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone put their money in a reputable bank and it was stolen, would you blame them?

      I blame the bank. The bank still owes me my money, and is guaranteed to do so by the US govt through the FDIC.

    87. Re: Where are these photos? by lucm · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure what agenda you are talking about. Is that some kind of lame accusation of being involved in PR for one of the companies I mentioned? Because that's the typical response from fanbois and other zealots whenever someone is not bending over and praising their false idols.

      Your emperor has no clothes, it's a greedy corporation with a lousy track record for security and no concern for their customers. Saying that is not a blasphemy or a PR operation, it's just the naked truth.

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    88. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're making the analogy backwards though... "the cloud" is more akin to keeping your money under the mattress in terms of safety. that is to say, your money is going to be safer in the bank, and your photos will be safer offline. doesn't mean the bank won't be robbed, or that your box of photos won't be stolen after a break-in, but those are less likely scenarios. actually, all things considered they're all probably fairly unlikely for any one individual, but the latter pair are unfortunately all-too-often occurrences. anyway, nothing wrong with fun photos of consenting adults, and plenty wrong with hacking into others' accounts. eh, bedtime...

    89. Re:Where are these photos? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      And let's face it, it's only boobs. Everyone has them, it's not like it's photos of her murdering babies...

    90. Re:Where are these photos? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I buy a phone, and I'm an idiot. Specifically, I'm a very attractive hollywood star/let.

      I want to share my tits with some person I'm dating. How do I know anything about what you have said? I want my tit pics to go across the water, and only to the person that I sent them to, or allowed to see them.

      Talk to me like I'm an idiot, because by the lists I am an idiot. I'm a very ignorant fool, and I don't understand how the pictures I took, for a specific person, are now appearing for every person on the planet to see.

      What did I do wrong? I took pictures of my vagina. That's on my phone. I texted them to you, and you are on my carrier, which I would expect is private. If you support the non-pprivacy of anything I upload to my phone (which is not an upload), then you are a contrarian and deserve to die.

      I text to a private device, or upload to a private account. How do I share something "by default" that people, right now, are jerking off to, by reports, "repeatedly and thoroughly"? I bought a phone, I texted it to someone I trust, and now my "junk" is everywhere.

      I was prompted for an Apple Id, I guess, but did it tell me that my vagina would be on the internet?

      Did I upload something to the cloud? Because I don't know what a cloud is. I wanted to prove to this really cute and awesome guy that I missed him and wanted him to come back after shooting his movie or show or whatever, I'm not being specific.

      Was it in a ToS agreement that I upload everything to everyone ever? If not, your description of default whatever holds no water. I don't know the defaults. I don't know what I have to turn on or off to enable or disable defaults. I want pictures of my pussy on my pohone, and wherever I send them. That's it.

      Go ahead, and be technically superior. I'm going to need a stupid-user-level explanation of what I missed because I'm dumb.

    91. Re:Where are these photos? by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 1

      iCloud can also upload from a mac, which can import from other devices.

      Don't be a fanboi.

    92. Re:Where are these photos? by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While not strictly true, if you follow the standard setup "workflow" as 95% of all computer do, you end up with icloud enabled.

      I'd put $100 on all these celebrities just following setup instructions and ending up with icloud enabled, because they simply don't know better.

    93. Re:Where are these photos? by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 2

      I like and use these cloud services (in my case, onedrive). I put things on there that are simply non-damaging, except for my nude selfies - those will cause severe trauma to any viewer.

    94. Re:Where are these photos? by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 1

      Well, white for a power cord is an incredibly stupid color. Black at least never gets dirty.

    95. Re: Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why make a comment at all when you are unknowledgeable to do so?

    96. Re: Where are these photos? by ModernGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      When will people reach out to the public and let them know the benefits of F/OSS? Had they been running OpenBSD this would have never been an issue as they would have never gotten the camera to mount.

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    97. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If they were taken off of an Apple server/service, then yes, Apple might bear some culpability, but based on what I've seen, Apple is no worse than anyone else, they all fail"

      This is true, but I think it's the intimate nature of the devices people have from Apple that's the problem. These are devices that people carry everywhere, and store everything on from their appointments, to their friends, to communications with their most intimate contacts. Of course, this isn't specific to just Apple, any phone manufacturer bears the same responsibility, but fundamentally I don't think all companies are equal in this. I would expect my bank to have far better procedures in place to both protect my money and support recovery than I would my Slashdot account and password, that I really wouldn't give a shit if it was stolen as I could just make a new one. Similarly I expect a company supplying a smartphone and cloud hosting service for all the data on it to have an extremely high level of security and to compensate me heavily if that security fails - if they can do neither of those things then they shouldn't be running a business that involves storing that data in the first place.

      FWIW I think it was just an out and out hack of Apple. The reason I say this is I got an e-mail late last year from Apple saying someone from China had accessed by account. The problem is this isn't an account I'd used for 6 years, and had only ever used briefly when I bought one album on iTunes on an old iPod I got at the same time as a new laptop that I'd stuck a fresh install of Windows on only to remove iTunes shortly after I found a better alternative for getting music onto my iPod. It was also an e-mail/password I only ever used for iTunes, thus, the only way I can possibly see they could've ever acquired the password was directly from Apple, hence why I was more than a little surprised to get the contact from Apple that I did last year. When I phoned their security team I got them to shut down the account altogether as I have just never used it, but the guy I spoke to seem to struggle a bit for justification when I made the point that the only place the password could realistically have been obtained from was Apple directly.

      I was fortunate that the specific set of circumstances in this case meant I could basically rule out anything else as being likely (okay, I suppose technically it's possible that my house was bugged, or the NSA intercepted my communications and broke the encryption and they're responsible or whatever but I don't think such explanations are plausible), which is rarely the case, and that's why in this specific case I have a strong degree of certainty that something has happened at Apple that's not really been fully made public yet. Hopefully an FBI investigation following on from these celebs will shed a bit more light on it.

      I was fortunate that I just never ever used their stuff else I suspect I too could've had data stolen from them but the worst they could've taken is a copy of a single album I bought on iTunes at the time with a debit card that had thankfully long expired by the time I got the notification from Apple, which too their credit means that unlike some companies, at least they informed me about the compromise even if they were cagey about providing any further information about what might have happened.

    98. Re:Where are these photos? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      A lot of people would prefer that Windows would come unable to handle the web out of the box, so why should photos be more important?

    99. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have an expectation of privacy. In 21st century America.

      That's how truly dumb you are.

      This post contains all you need to know :)

    100. Re:Where are these photos? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Privacy is an illusion. If you don't want pictures of your tits online, don't let anyone take pictures of your tits. This applies whether you are a starlet or a Juggalette.

      Now the important question: why are Jennifer Lawrence 's tits the headliner when we have photos of Kate Upton's full equipment? Katniss is cute, but she's not an SI swimsuit model.

    101. Re:Where are these photos? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Would you go walking through a part of town known for muggings during the time of day or night when those muggings are most likely to happen?

      No, I would mug people where and when they would least expect it.

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    102. Re:Where are these photos? by Raenex · · Score: 1

      It was one of their major selling points in the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercial campaing.

    103. Re:Where are these photos? by dwpro · · Score: 1

      Privacy isn't about looking the other way when someone posts nabbed nudie pics. If the bank isn't securing your bank box from the public and your love letters from high school get out, that isn't a privacy issue, it's a security issue. That would be unrelated to the NSA getting backdoor access to go through your bank box from the bank with no oversight.

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    104. Re:Where are these photos? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Let me make this simple in case there's a post-fap-clearer-head lurking around this area of the thread: No, you do not have a good reason to acquire those photos.

      I don't need a good reason. I don't have a good reason for eating meat, either. Or for mowing my lawn. Or for going to the movies. Life isn't about "good reasons", nor is it about making excuses to placate self-righteous pissants.

      Yes, you are a bad person for grabbing them and sharing them.

      You're a bad person for commenting on Slashdot. You have no good reason to be commenting, and your actions directly hurted my feewings. Dick.

    105. Re:Where are these photos? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Well, white for a power cord is an incredibly stupid color. Black at least never gets dirty.

      Way to prove his point.

    106. Re:Where are these photos? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Part of me wants to believe that those reporting the story are using Jennifer Lawrence and her, what I assume she has, credentials with younger people in order to warn them that those nude pictures they take of themselves aren't safe.

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    107. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at it this way:

      iCloud should be very useful for lots of things, same as OneDrive on Microsoft platforms. Most people will want it enabled.

      Not so; you are prompted if you want to enable it and then you can select what you want to allow to use the service.
      I have it enabled for Contacts, Calendars and Reminders (which are individually selectable) but not for anything else (i.e. Mail, Safari, Photos, Documents & Data, etc.)

      If someone were to get my Apple ID and password they'd gain little more than what many people expose on your average social networking site.

    108. Re:Where are these photos? by visualight · · Score: 1

      Who the hell are you to take such an offensive paternal tone with anyone? I judge you.

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    109. Re:Where are these photos? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      If someone put their money in a reputable bank and it was stolen, would you blame them?

      If their PIN was 1234, yes. Doubly so if they also happened to be a lucrative target thanks to the whole world knowing they were millionaires.

      We don't yet know what exactly lead to these photos being leaked. Maybe it was a problem with the "bank", or maybe it was a problem with their passwords / security questions. Either way, celebrities should be far more careful about this kind of thing since they know (or should know) that their fame makes them a prime target.

    110. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iCloud is a joke

      Dropbox is a racist joke told at the funeral of a black man that was shot by a white cop.

      OneDrive is pretty much an image macro involving cats.

      Google Drive is hilarious, but only if you've spent ten years studying the socioeconomic repercussions of macrobiotics applied to flagellant microorganisms.

    111. Re:Where are these photos? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      When you see otherwise well educated and highly intelligent journalists on respected TV programmes like Newsnight struggling to understand exactly what is happening here I think it's easy to forgive the random person who bought and iPhone and didn't disable iCloud uploads.

      I just told my girlfriend to make sure it was turned off. Her iPad is in Chinese so I couldn't read most of the set-up screens, but I think I un-ticked it. There were several screens worth of questions though, and she wanted some integration like bringing her contacts and apps over from her phone. I think for the average user many of the questions might as well be in Chinese so I kind of know how they feel.

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    112. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the bank with the bad security, I'm talking about the people actively sharing my love letters they know they don't have permission to send and how that weakens their position on certain topics.

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    113. Re:Where are these photos? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between incidental and deliberate exposure. By your logic, it's ok to intentionally hit dogs because they run in front of cars every day anyway.

      That said, looking at the photos intentionally is not, in my opinion, causing direct harm, nor is it driving demand. To say it is would be like arguing that pictures of dead bodies fuel demand for murder. It already happened, and not looking doesn't change it.

      From my perspective, it's simply immoral. If it violates your morality, then don't look. If it doesn't, then check them out.

      By the way, the desire for privacy and the desire to see other people's secrets are not mutually exclusive. It's our desire to see the things that other people want to hide that underscores the importance and value of privacy. It's nobody else's business what I do in my own home, or what photos I took on my phone, as long as I'm not violating the law.

      Further, there's a difference between my neighbor violating my privacy out of curiosity and the government peeking at my journal to decide whether or not I belong on a secret watchlist. My neighbor cannot legally take away my rights and freedoms; the government can. My neighbor can be prosecuted; the government (generally) cannot. That's why evidence that's been collected or presented in violation of evidentiary rules is, or is supposed to be, excluded as fruit of the poisonous tree.

      One more side note: If these photos happened to show illegal activity, the government *would* be able to use them as evidence, as they were obtained incidentally.

    114. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The argument you're using is: "They have nothing to hide!"

    115. Re:Where are these photos? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      "Blaming the victim does not mean demonizing the victim"

      Incredibly arrogant comment! You really are a true coward. The Victim in this case did zip nadanit wrong Apple is to blame GitHub it to blame for publishing the exploit before it was fixed Apple being apple deny,deny,deny,lie,lie,lie. Waited untill it was too late and off course the scum coward who stole the images and published them. They are all at fault the women did nothing wrong at all.

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    116. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iCloud is a joke

      Dropbox is a racist joke told at the funeral of a black man that was legitimately shot by a white cop defending him(or her)self.

      OneDrive is pretty much an image macro involving cats.

      Google Drive is hilarious, but only if you've spent ten years studying the socioeconomic repercussions of macrobiotics applied to flagellant microorganisms.

      FIFY

    117. Re:Where are these photos? by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      I don't think it will hurt anyone's careers. In fact, I can think of at least two people whose careers were launched or boosted by leaking of their private videos.

      That said, the fact that anyone's career could be hurt for doing something *everyone* likes to do (and nobody would be here without) is sort of absurd. I mostly blame our puritanical values and expectations, especially of women, but of men as well. Women who directly express their sexuality are labeled as "sluts," and men who do the same are labeled as "pervs." And yes, it's become more acceptable than it once was, but it's still generally frowned upon. This is a disservice to everyone, really, all to keep from offending people who were raised to be ashamed of the very act that created them. But the truth is that the world runs on, if not sex itself, the pursuit of sex. It's only awkward when we make it awkward.

    118. Re:Where are these photos? by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      This is, apparently, a common misconception. Banks are *not* liable for being robbed. The FDIC covers deposits (up to $250k), and *nobody* covers safe deposit boxes unless you specifically purchase insurance. If you're storing irreplaceable items in a bank, you should absolutely research their security, as well as their disaster (fire/flood/earthquake) mitigation strategies, if any.

      And there are no liability disclaimers posted in banks either. Drawing attention to that fact generally isn't good for business, so they just let naive people believe what they want.

    119. Re: Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      these are online dude ....

    120. Re:Where are these photos? by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      Here's the problem: there is nothing immoral about taking nude selfies and sharing them with selected individuals. The statement, "If you don't want pictures of your tits online, don't let anyone take pictures of your tits", implies that these actions are both immoral and stupid. Not just that, adhering to that philosophy will set sexual culture and identity straight back to the good ol' moral 1950's. This statement also relegating porn stars to being second-class humans by implicating that only "dirty" or "immoral" or "low/no-class" people agree to be recorded nude.

      Now, the statement that privacy is an illusion is correct. And, there is something to be said for being cautious about what platform said data resides on. But let me ask you this: do you really want a society where everyone has to conform to one narrow "safe" standard in order to be respected and safe? And where anyone who doesn't confirm is automatically labeled as being "stupid" or "bad"? Because that is the philosophical implication of the statement and attitude you're proposing. Or, do you want a society where people are free to do what they want, and where consequences are expected and delivered--not just for the person who takes a nude selfie, but for the hacker who decides to take that data and do illegal things with it?

      Yeah, maybe putting nude selfies on a cloud platform as a hot young starlet wasn't a technologically savvy thing to do--but those women don't deserve blame or condemnation. Rather, we should be hunting those revenge porn bastards down and subjecting them to the full force of the law, because now those of us with girlfriends (or boyfriends) who like to send us sexy pictures will have to do without because said significant other is now worried about those photos getting hacked. And I can easily do without seeing Jennifer Lawrence naked if that's the price I have to pay for ensuring sexting continues.

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    121. Re:Where are these photos? by darthvader100 · · Score: 1

      Well in 2011 dropbox was apparently open for 4 hours> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

    122. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct.

      Marketing has been telling us The Cloud is the best thing since sliced bread.

    123. Re:Where are these photos? by butalearner · · Score: 1

      That being said, those that choose to enjoy someone being taken advantage of, and snickering about it... that's the definition of sociopath.

      Actually, that's more like schadenfreude. It does not take a personality disorder to dislike a famous person. It might not be a reasonable dislike, if it's due to jealousy of their wealth or looks or what have you, but it's not sociopathy. And given the reasonable expectation that these celebrities' exposure will almost certainly garner sympathy for them and improve their careers, their temporary anger and mortification doesn't even seem like that high a price, when the one feeling the schadenfreude is struggling to make ends meet, or has had people making fun of their looks since middle school.

      Not saying I agree, but I can understand the point of view.

      At any rate, the damage has been done, and trying to stop people from looking is an exercise in futility and madness. Appealing to people's sense of morality or social justice might work for a few people, but it's not going to make any of the victims feel better, or make people check their security settings. It's not going to give NSA an "in" on spying, either. It makes far more sense to raise awareness for the sharing/security settings on phones and other devices, and push handset makers and backup solution vendors for sensible defaults, including encryption. Between social engineering, physical theft, and spurned ex's we probably won't stop this sort of thing from happening entirely, but we can make it a whole lot more difficult.

    124. Re:Where are these photos? by luca.masters · · Score: 1

      It's definitely true that in being super famous, you give up the anonymity in daily life--people will recognize you. That's inherent with super-fame (at least super-fame that involves people knowing what you _look_ like. A writer could still have that.)

      What is NOT inherent in super-fame, is people coming up and asking you for pictures every five minutes when you're out and about. That may be a thing, though, and a known cost of being a celebrity--people are going to do that, much as it sucks. Addtionally, celebrities do get hounded by the slimeball portion of the media, but only because that media is trying to earn money at the celebrities cost.

      We could make it a thing where we throw rotten tomatoes at construction workers (or computer programmers), and it would then be true that having rotten tomatoes thrown at you is simply a cost you pay for being a construction worker. No reasonable person seems to think that's a good defense though--yet it's essentially the same argument you just gave. This is a thing, so it is a thing. Okay, you added some "they get lots of money" bullshit. They get what the market dictates, plain and simple. They don't get paid for being harassed by paparazzi or sharing private photos. They get paid for acting in movies, singing songs, and giving witty interviews.

      Even if you decide "it's okay to constantly harass celebrities when they're in public", that's still COMPLETELY different from "it's okay to take and distribute and view a celebrities private photos". It is a thing that paparazzi harass celebrities. It is NOT a thing that celebrities have to publish all their email or share every photo they take in their own home.

      That's not a generally-held view. Because it's completely baseless and completely unreasonable.

    125. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, half the population has them (more than half if you count moobs, but still, not everyone).

    126. Re:Where are these photos? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      No, but they do make it an absolute joy to supplant their will and use other applications. In short, unless you've put measurable effort into it (and if you're using a Mac, this is highly unlikely), you're logged in to iCloud, and using iPhoto and iTunes.

    127. Re:Where are these photos? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't imply that it's immoral. I don't care if you take pics of your boobs. But if the photos exist, you'd better have complete faith in everyone you share them with. And that includes whoever does your backups.

    128. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rarbg.com

      Very True. I have been around the internet for a very long time. I remember when 128 encryption was said to be secure, then 256 encryption was said to take a 100yrs for a algorithim to figure it out. HD DVD code was cracked in about a week. Microsoft's OS hacked every version to date! For every IT guy trying to stop intrusions, there is thousands of kids hacking away trying to get in. All it takes is a open port, and a vulnerability in code. I used to study "Kevin Mitnick", and he once said nothing we will ever be safe on the internet. There are intrusions made everyday to your personal info and we never even know it. A celebrity gets hacked, and its big news! Big freakin' deal we saw your boobies, and one took a facial. Trust me, its only going to help your careers. We all do the same shit in our own homes with our wives, we just don't sync our phones to a cloud to make info vulnerable. I really don't see the big deal. If I was a female with bodies, and talent like they have, and a personal trainer, I would wake up at 10am, look over the scenes my agent sent me. Hop in my Limo to go to the Gym, then I am going to go home and take my benz out shopping on Rodeo Dr.

      I don't give a fuck if Kate Upton's next film is a documentary on fleas! It will be a sell out! That freakin' girl is smoking hot!

    129. Re: Where are these photos? by RAVEN2 · · Score: 1

      Simply who cares? Seen a set of fake ones & hairless privates then you've seen them all. Besides this gives the celebs even more expouser to their vanity.

    130. Re:Where are these photos? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      so why should photos be more important?

      Apple isn't a convicted monopolist.

    131. Re:Where are these photos? by OffTheWallSoccer · · Score: 1

      Way too many faces for them all to be fakes.

      One thousand experienced Photoshop users underground (i.e. some kind of club), each doctoring one or two photos, isn't too much of a stretch to believe.

    132. Re: Where are these photos? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I believe your obvious anti-Apple tone was referred to. You don't have to use iCloud, I don't.

      My point is nothing cloud is safe by default. Yes, there's ways to make it a lot more secure, such as drop a 2048bit plus encrypted file on dropbox, for example, and not just anyone is going to be able to see what you dropped. But that is not how any of these systems are setup. Use a PKI system instead of a simple As it stands, putting things up in the cloud is like dropping a postcard in the mail. No one is supposed to look at it, but there's nothing really keeping anyone from doing so if they really want to. Yes, that's extending the postcard analogy from email to cloud services. A cloud services/accounts are essentially nothing more than a postbox with a relatively weak lock. It doesn't matter what the environments are hosted on or how secure those environments are. The services running on them are insecure by design. Nothing external is going to fix that, and there is largely no incentive to fix it either.

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    133. Re:Where are these photos? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      most likely incredibly intentional, while pointing out that there are perfectly valid reasons to not choose white and the ggp should have come up with a better example.

    134. Re:Where are these photos? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      what is your position on the forced sale of the clippers?

      fruit of the poison tree and all. I take it the majority of the US believes that no matter how information gets out, once it does it's fair game.

      I do not believe the forced sale of the clippers is correct. I believe transmission of these photos is fine. this is what they deserve for their blind faith.

      Not knowing that Apple is terrible at doing things, and trusting your photos to them anyway, makes for not enough of a reasonable expectation of privacy.

    135. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "what is your position on the forced sale of the clippers?"

      Recording and leaking that audio was wrong. Since it was made public, through no fault of the NBA, it had to be dealt with. It wasn't a "what the US believes" sort of thing, it was an "oop, this got complicated fast, and our players may quit" sort of thing.

      I do not believe the forced sale of the clippers is correct. I believe transmission of these photos is fine. this is what they deserve for their blind faith.

      These two statements contradict each other. Sterling knows phone conversations can be recorded. He also knew he had an agreement with the NBA to behave. His blind faith lost him the Clippers. Now if you disagree with that statement we're actually a little closer to seeing eye to eye. We probably have differing ideas about where the line of liability should be drawn. Perhaps "phone chats are private but data on the cloud isn't", or something like that. The problem I have with that line of thought is the line between 'phone chat' and 'on the internet' is getting blurrier every year. Worse, we are not all masters of every domain we cross. You may know how to be safe on the internet, that doesn't mean you're super smart and are also super safe at getting your car repaired or at knowing when to use interest-free credit cards.

      In either case you've got somebody who did something wrong. It sounds like tough-love right up until you're bitten by it.

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    136. Re:Where are these photos? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      his agreement with the clippers had something to do with knowing misbehavior. regardless, I can't fault the nba for what it did, as owners, If anything, i fault the public for its reaction. I find it incredibly troubling that private utterances in any context can lead to the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of personal property.

      in this case. i would say that trusting something important like these kinds of photos, to something whose security you trust implicitly, means you deserve little of my sympathy.

      Sterling was burned because he trusted the wrong person. which is an entirely different security matter.

    137. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I find it incredibly troubling that private utterances in any context can lead to the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of personal property.

      I'd find it troubling if my boss hated me for reasons he should not be and may be under-paying me and a select group of my coworkers as a result of it.

      Sterling was burned because he trusted the wrong person. which is an entirely different security matter.

      Every year that goes by this just gets fuzzier and fuzzier. Soon your private chat is going to be picked up by somebody at the next table wearing Google Glass. Then the line will shift. And so on.

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    138. Re:Where are these photos? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      There are no buts man. up until you did the old victim blaming thing I had respect for your opinion.

      It's unfortunate that people are engaging in victim-blaming, because it obscures some potentially very important discussions that we need to have about why nude selfies now seem to be expected behaviour for anyone under the age of 30 in an intimate relationship (Cindy Gallop would probably blame porn, and do follow that link and see what she has to say before you respond to that remark; it's less than 5 min), and why people trust Apple/Facebook/the government with our most personal of personal information.

      Right after a hundred or so people have been the victim of a crime is probably not the best time to have this discussion. On the other hand, if we wait too long, the news cycle will have moved on.

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    139. Re:Where are these photos? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as a "convicted monopolist", convictions only happen in criminal courts.

      And as including the web browser in the OS formed the very basis of the anti-trust action, my point stands - some people would prefer that Windows would come unable to handle the web out of the box, so why should photos be more important?

    140. Re:Where are these photos? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      i find that fuzzifying particularly troubling. the law will eventually have to address it. but before that we each need to decide how we address it in the court of our opinion.

      Your boss's right is to hate you for no reason at all. if you can prove that he's paying you less as a result, then he's going to lose money. but that's another matter.

      racism isn't correct, but it's certainly their prerogative. pay discrimination is hard to prove. Especially since, how would you discriminate between discrimination and outright greed? anyway. my problem is with the chain of events in the sterling case.

    141. Re:Where are these photos? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Especially since, how would you discriminate between discrimination and outright greed?

      That's exactly the problem. Doubt. A team like that needs good morale. Doubt your boss, drop the ball. Err pardon the expression.

      I don't think our opinions are that far apart. I don't think we should ever have heard that conversation. The problem was that was a circumstance that couldn't have been unheard.

      Anyway, I think we're starting to go in circles here. But I did want to say thanks for the discussion and that I hope you have a good weekend coming up.

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    142. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just a joke.

    143. Re:Where are these photos? by Shlomi+Fish · · Score: 1

      Here’s the thing - why should posing naked matter? Not only that, but why should starring in a hardcore pornographic film ("XXXXX...." to infinity) or even doing prostitution (= selling sexual services for money or goods) be considered wrong, or disrespectful? And the answer is that it isn't because a man or a woman are allowed to do all that, and still should be treated as a gentleman or a lady - with respect and admiration and friendliness.

      Mark my words - if tomorrow one of the great living men or women who are well-known (celebs, e.g: actors, film makers, bloggers/writers/authors, scientists, singers, YouTube personas, even models and reality T.V. show contestants), or alterantively people I personally know, like my siblings, or cousins, and which I admire, and draw a lot of inspiration from, turned out to do all that - I would not think any less of them, because it's ultimately their body and their life.

      I feel a lot for the poor people whose privacy was violated. I wouldn't want people to publish my private email messages or instant messaging utterance or IRC, either. But what I would do if I were them is after sulking a little (and realising one should not feel bad about bad) is make the stance that it should not reduce their reputation or their ability to act as a role model, or that of any other people's.

      A little more - the standards for what is considered sexually acceptable varied a lot in time. For example, after Miranda Kerr got separated from her husband (= actor Orlando Bloom), she's been boasting in interviews about all the "great sex" she's been getting from various willing men, and all this is without being negatively labelled as a "slut" or "bimbo" which is what would happen a few years ago. Furthermore, there are now many openly homosexual men and women and celebs, while they were persecuted some decades ago.

      (This post is based on an earlier attempted post of mine to some subreddits.)

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    144. Re:Where are these photos? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      you too.

    145. Re:Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless your parents stole the truck, there is NOTHING they should be taking the blame for. Blaming you would be almost as stupid, you were the *victim* of that theft.

      The only ones at fault were the fuckers who committed the crime. How on Earth did your comment get modded insightful?

    146. Re:Where are these photos? by disambiguated · · Score: 1

      If you don't want anyone to see it, don't photograph it in the first place. For every file stolen from the cloud, many more are stolen directly from the user's machine. For all intents and purposes, anything "digital" equals world access.

    147. Re:Where are these photos? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as a "convicted monopolist", convictions only happen in criminal courts.

      And as including the web browser in the OS formed the very basis of the anti-trust action, my point stands - some people would prefer that Windows would come unable to handle the web out of the box, so why should photos be more important?

      And again people ignore the history behind this.

      the Department of Justice opened its own investigation on August 21 of that year, resulting in a settlement on July 15, 1994 in which Microsoft consented not to tie other Microsoft products to the sale of Windows but remained free to integrate additional features into the operating system. In the years that followed, Microsoft insisted that Internet Explorer (which, in addition to OEM versions of Windows 95, appeared in the Plus! Pack sold separately[2][3]) was not a product but a feature which it was allowed to add to Windows, although the DOJ did not agree with this definition.

      The people preferred them not to bundle because they agreed not to bundle.

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  2. Why all the ashing (or praise) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is I seem to recall most re posted on a reddit /r/the fappening or somthing like that.. THose are still there as 4chans stuff is gone.

  3. Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Queue up the apple fan boys and the endless excuses...

    3.....2.....1.....

    1. Re:Here they come... by justaguy516 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Paraphrasing something I just read somewhere on the Internet:

      When somebody says 'the cloud', mentally replace it by 'somebody else's computer'.

    2. Re:Here they come... by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      To be fair, there's the good Cloud and the bad Cloud.

      If this is truly caused by a vulnerability in iCloud, it's squarely in the "bad Cloud" segment.

    3. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From reading other sites' stories, the vulnerability was weak passwords that could be tried using brute force (and due to commonly used weak passwords, maybe not a lot of tries).

    4. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shush, you! You're going against the groupthink!

    5. Re:Here they come... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      But I has a silver lining.

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    6. Re:Here they come... by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      When somebody says 'the cloud', mentally replace it by 'somebody else's computer'.

      Also, when somebody says "It's unclear how the images were obtained, but anonymous 4chan users said...", replace it with "It's unclear how the images were obtained."

      Come on, since when are anonymous 4chan users a reliable source?

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    7. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      icloud do not even allow uploads of images by non-apple devices these days? What is the point of storing my images there if i cant upload the ones i get on email from non-apple sect members? Oh right... it is perfectly possible to upload those *sigh*

    8. Re:Here they come... by carlhaagen · · Score: 1

      Yeah we're all standing line, right after you and the rest of the morons who open their mouths before investigating how factual a story is.

    9. Re:Here they come... by ericloewe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Still, allowing brute force over the internet is a big mistake.

    10. Re:Here they come... by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      When are non-anonymous 4chan users a reliable source?

    11. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, there's the good someone else's servers and the bad someone else's servers.

      If this is truly caused by a vulnerability in iCloud, it's squarely in the "bad Cloud" segment.

      There. FTFY.

    12. Re:Here they come... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Fact of the matter is, tech-types who should know better still struggle with digital security and lose; laymen don't really have a chance. These women are actors and singers, not computing professionals, and they probably don't have a clue how to choose good passwords for things that are important, don't have an understanding of how the tech that they're using works, and thus are completely vulnerable. As long as they're willing to take naked pictures of themselves then they're going to be targets, and would be regardless of the medium in which the photos were taken. They could be 35mm, polaroid, 3.5" floppy on a Mavica, whatever, as long as they exist then someone is out to find them. It could be the guy developing film, it could be someone going through the garbage that finds an accidently-tossed polariod, it could be someone attempting to hack a local personal computer.

      The only winning move is not to play.

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    13. Re:Here they come... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      To be fair, there's the good Cloud and the bad Cloud.

      ... and the ugly Cloud. (Worst of the Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns.)

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    14. Re:Here they come... by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Some soap and water will take care of that.

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    15. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are human beings a reliable source?

    16. Re: Here they come... by grcumb · · Score: 2

      When are 4chan users human?

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    17. Re:Here they come... by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      Fact of the matter is, tech-types who should know better still struggle with digital security and lose; laymen don't really have a chance.

      The only winning move is not to play.

      I'm just surprised this didn't happen sooner. Perhaps the amount of hip/trendy celebs using iphones/mac/icloud just reached critical mass and this is the resulting explosion.

      To get philosophical about it. this is another example of the cool people getting owned by the geeks. Revenge of the nerds, right? Too soon?

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    18. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing none of these actresses had turned on two-step verification on their Apple IDs. It has been available since March, 2013. It behooves Apple to have celeb types turn it on, obviously.

    19. Re:Here they come... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Heh a Mavica.. Methinks the file size and or image quality would result in pre-blurred photos. :)

    20. Re:Here they come... by danknight48 · · Score: 1

      When somebody says 'the cloud', mentally replace it by 'somebody else's computer'.

      Replace 'Cloud' with 'Network'.
      Because technically, the buzzword is being used to describe "networked computers with internet access".

    21. Re:Here they come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a chrome extension called Cloud to Butt Plus which replaces all instances of "cloud" and "the cloud" with "butt" and "my butt" respectively. This article appears as "Reported ibutt hack leaks..."

  4. Not 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually the source was anonib.
    But they were then posted all over 4chan yeah.

    https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/10942405/09.01.2014_Celebrity_Nude_Photo_Hack_Collection_-__fappening

  5. Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pretty good detective work: http://pastebin.com/cwAz9Y2r

    1. Re:Alleged leaker already named by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spoiler:

      A guy named Bryan Hamade from Georgia seems to have leaked them. Who stole them is still up for debate.

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    2. Re:Alleged leaker already named by theskipper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow. If it turns out to be true, it's yet another testament to how difficult it is to be truly anonymous online these days. But not because of standard technical things like using proxies, etc, it's simply because there's so much info out there in social media and Google to provide clues. One mistake or oversight and you're pretty much exposed.

    3. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are two people in the US named Bryan Hamade. One of them is not having a good labor day. LOL.

    4. Re:Alleged leaker already named by zr · · Score: 1

      this is probably the biggest takeaway there.

      we can still fight for some degree of privacy. but any meaningful anonymity is not available to the average folk.

    5. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow. If it turns out to be true, it's yet another testament to how difficult it is to be truly anonymous online these days. But not because of standard technical things like using proxies, etc, it's simply because there's so much info out there in social media and Google to provide clues. One mistake or oversight and you're pretty much exposed.

      Even if you have multiple prefered usernames for your choices when signing up, it's not hard to make a mistake that will be linking them. Maybe you'll repost something from your other ID, indicating that you at least know one another. I first stopped making allusion to my college and location, then my hometown and employer, and finally slowly stopped signing in on /. That's a change of several years. You will still slip eventually, just like when you're at home and accidentally answer identifying your helpdesk's name.

      Unrelated, but a search under blockchain.info for the donations address that this leaker-namer plugged shows a couple sizeable multi-thousand dollar ones. Not sure what that is about, but they happened within the past hour. A few others show just 25 BTC. I don't know the going rate of Bitcoin, but that's still quite big. I wonder if government or some RIAA exec tried to get a bit up and close and compensated the guy. But that doesn't sound like their intimidation M.O.

    6. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not difficult. You go to an open relay, create a new account, upload from a live image + your pen drive or whatever with the pix on it.

      Done.

      Ideally make sure it's a place without cameras too.

    7. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not really. The guy made tons of critical mistakes: didn't use throwaways, reused usernames, used real names online and left real names in screenshots (and that's only the stuff I found skimming the linked page). That's beyond even amateur hour.

    8. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be so sure - the internet detective squad may have pulled another Boston Bomber Fail, accusing this guy of being the leaker when he was really just a hapless middleman: http://deadspin.com/who-hacked-the-nudes-a-working-theory-1629237098

    9. Re:Alleged leaker already named by TWX · · Score: 2

      the screenshots were probably the biggest mistake though. He identified extra nodes (quite literally with the machine names) that made it much easier to cross-check real-world "networking" to other people and the organization that he works for. Or worked for, as I expect that come tomorrow he won't work there anymore as his sheer presence will be damaging to the company. Heck, if he used company resources and the FBI comes calling, all of those computers in the screenshots will probably be confiscated and the company will effectively wither on the vine.

      If he hadn't been showboating he might have managed to stay anonymous enough to be left alone.

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    10. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go figure that the leaker is a fucking pothead. You'd have to be morally bankrupt to be a drug addict and violate people's privacy.

    11. Re:Alleged leaker already named by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative

      This seems to explain how the pictures were acquired and that it wasn't just one guy stealing them and it isn't just one guy distributing them:
      http://i.imgur.com/vnd0H9J.jpg

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    12. Re:Alleged leaker already named by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      This seems to explain how the pictures were acquired and that it wasn't just one guy stealing them and it isn't just one guy distributing them:
      http://i.imgur.com/vnd0H9J.jpg

      This is going to be harder to control and contain than the DefDist 3D printed gun part cad files when they got taken down by the DoD. In other words, absolutely impossible.

      What was even more clever was doing it on a holiday weekend, everyone's barbecuing.

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      Flappinbooger isn't my real name
    13. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Pretty good detective work: http://pastebin.com/cwAz9Y2r [pastebin.com]

      Yea, some pretty good parallel construction there from our boys at Fort Meade. Good job guys, good job. Don't want to have anyone else endangering your monopoly on privacy violation.

    14. Re:Alleged leaker already named by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

      RTFA from Buzzfeed linked in the deadspin link: "The Main Suspect Blamed For The Jennifer Lawrence Nude Leak Says He Is Innocent".

      There's a lot more incriminating evidence in the updates to the Buzzfeed article.

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    15. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably neither of them did. One of them just didn't know why...

    16. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm giving it a troll score of about... nope, can't do it. Try harder next time.

    17. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deleting a comment on /. requires specific legal action. Censorship is not a core value here.

    18. Re:Alleged leaker already named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can guarantee that some whitebread fucktard from Gwinnett County did not breach Apple security himself. Gwinnett is the embarrassing retarded cousin of Atlanta.

  6. "complained about the service" by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then dont use it. Pretty simple. There is no law that says you have to use any cloud service, so if you dont trust/like them, dont use them. And dont bitch about it when you choose to do so.

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    1. Re:"complained about the service" by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 1

      Then dont use it. Pretty simple. There is no law that says you have to use any cloud service, so if you dont trust/like them, dont use them. And dont bitch about it when you choose to do so.

      There's no law that says you have to drive a Ford. If you don't trust them, don't drive one. But don't bitch about it when it bursts into flames and kills you, when you choose to drive it.

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    2. Re:"complained about the service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did not know Ford quality had gone so far downhill. Bursting into flames seems like a deterrent for sales... unless you use them for stunt spectaculars.

    3. Re:"complained about the service" by carlhaagen · · Score: 1

      What she complained about was that it kept reminding her about backing her iPhone up; she wanted it to do so automatically, which she didn't know can be done by flipping a single setting in iOS' iCloud control panel.

    4. Re:"complained about the service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no law that says you have to drive a Ford.

      False analogy. It's more like buying a Ford, intentionally driving it into a wall at 45 MPH, and then complaining that you now have a broken arm and a concussion.

      You can perfectly safely use a computer with your files stored privately on your own computer. You can also safely share those files with other individuals, in a manner that makes it impossible to read the data in between. But when you upload your entire life to "the cloud", then you have acted to make those files available to a multinational corporation. From there, it is out of your control. Their TOS can change tomorrow, hackers can impersonate you, there are hundreds of things that can happen.

      Keep your shit private if you want your shit to remain private. Uploading to "the cloud" is the opposite of keeping your shit private.

    5. Re:"complained about the service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did not know Ford quality had gone so far downhill. Bursting into flames seems like a deterrent for sales... unless you use them for stunt spectaculars.

      Not sure it has. It was pretty bad in 1977.

    6. Re:"complained about the service" by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Stop. This is the fault of allowing users to use devices with no training. Standard I.T. data security ON THE PART OF THE USERS would have prevented this. If you dont understand the device you are using, seek training, or dont put sensitive info on it. Its not ok to be a moron in the Information Age.

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    7. Re:"complained about the service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop. This is the fault of allowing users to use devices with no training. Standard I.T. data security ON THE PART OF THE USERS would have prevented this.

      Until an executive overrules you and says that they have to use their shiny iDevice with an app that uses The Cloud(TM) for vitally important business purposes.

    8. Re:"complained about the service" by TWX · · Score: 1

      Stop. This is the fault of allowing users to use devices with no training. Standard I.T. data security ON THE PART OF THE USERS would have prevented this. If you dont understand the device you are using, seek training, or dont put sensitive info on it. Its not ok to be a moron in the Information Age.

      I used to feel that way, but I don't think it works that way anymore. There's too much tech to be able to keep up with it, even for computing professionals. There are too many things that we're dependent on that we only get to see as a black box. There are too many vulnerabilities constantly discovered and often times left unpatched (Heartbleed anyone?) that are out of the user's control.

      Yes, there are some things that the user can control, but there are plenty of things outside of that control, and plenty of other things that stop working if the user doesn't allow various services to be turned on or available. In some ways it's our own Chilling Effect, but those are the breaks when one wants to foist interconnectivity on everyone and everything. It means now that everything is potentially subject to review by everyone else.

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    9. Re:"complained about the service" by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Then you have separate devices/accounts. This is I.T. 101 stuff. You deal in sensitive info, you learn proper data handling.

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    10. Re:"complained about the service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen naked every single one of my friends ex's.

      Wow, besides the fact that your friends are assholes, why would you want to show naked pictures of your ex to anyone?
      I don't want any of my friends to see my gf or exes in any sexual way. There are enough women in this world that we don't need to overlap in our relationships.

      Doesn't the bro code specify that you don't go after a friend's ex? Then why would they want to see her pictures?

    11. Re:"complained about the service" by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      There's only two persons in the Universe who can properly handle Data: Lieutenant Natasha Yar and the Borg queen.

    12. Re:"complained about the service" by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Because, bros before hoes. Or so the saying goes.

    13. Re:"complained about the service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just not give a shit about naked bodies. It's not going to traumatize you. It'll also be considerably harder to damage the reputations of people when we, as a society, move past this ridiculous idea that naked people are traumatic. You can start by not giving a shit.

      FFS. I wish the Victorians would take it and shove it.

    14. Re:"complained about the service" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's a slight problem with your suggestion. IT DOESN'T WORK. We've tried teaching people data security. Over and over again. Large numbers of them simply don't get it, or don't care. They're not all morons either; some are very intelligent but don't have our mindset. We've been trying to tell people for years not to click on dodgy stuff on the web, and they still do. If we're going to do this, we have to find another way to teach people.

      Moreover, things are getting more and more complicated. Twenty years ago, I'd have had very different suggestions than I would now. Only recently have we developed the need to consider cloud privacy, and this is at a time when computer manufacturers are deliberately trying to blur the line between local and cloud.

      If you want to wipe out 95% of the world population, keeping the technical geeks, that might work, but then civilization would collapse anyway.

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    15. Re:"complained about the service" by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      yet is it not too much to ask that we understand the handful of systems we keep our most important information on? Even a luddite would appreciate. you bury your gold in your own back yard, not someone else's.

  7. The worst possible publicity for Apple by iampiti · · Score: 1

    This is on the news everywhere and, obviously, is going to make Apple look very bad. I don't think I'll have long term consequences for Apple but at least it may make some people think twice about uploading personal information to "the cloud".

    1. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by Rosyna · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a little weird since a lot of the phones that took the photos aren't running iOS and some of the folders have Dropbox-specific files.

      Don't use the same password on multiple sites!

    2. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is going to make Apple look very bad.

      Many of the news reports are not mentioning Apple, so most people are unaware.

    3. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be because it's not actually known that it's an iCloud hack, and it's looking increasingly like it's Dropbox instead.

    4. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by John+Bokma · · Score: 1
      Makes one wonder if this is not just smart spinning (Samsung?). Some quotes from Mac Rumors:

      1. Some of the celebs have said they don't even use an iPhone 2. Doubtful celebs used one of the 500 passwords in the brute force script 3. Quite a few of the photos have proven to be from Android devices.

      Add to that the statement that "old photos, have been deleted ages ago" and this sounds way more plausible:

      This is not an iCloud hack, breach, or brute. This story has been spun to (my guess) take away from the big event September 9th. There isn't a single leak or a single hacker. These images originate from a small celebrity nude ring on the darknet. They typically require people to "buy-in" with an original image. Considering that celebrities almost all use an iPhone, putting iCloud hack in the headline is sure to grab attention and make some people actually believe it.

      Didn't we see before (?) or around the iPhone 5s introduction suddenly a story about touch inaccuracy?

    5. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there an easy secure way to manage logins for 50 websites? Over time I have taken to using security tiers, logins with sesitive information or powerful access to my life get individual passwords, working down to logins of lower usefulness I end up reusing about 6 other passwords. It's not perfect but how the hell is a person supposed to remember 50 alphanumeric strings with special characters that do not relate to the name of the service or its function? There has go to be a way to do this short of a Momento cheat sheet tatoo.

    6. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by Rosyna · · Score: 1

      Have one absolute trusted password and one absolute trusted service. Encrypt all your site-specific passwords in there. Let the service fill out the passwords for you.

      Make sure the service uses a Web of Trust style encryption so even defeating the password for the service won't leak any other data.

    7. Re:The worst possible publicity for Apple by iampiti · · Score: 1

      What you say sounds plausible, anyway, true or not, the damage is done

  8. whats the big deal? by zr · · Score: 2

    seriously, what am i missing?

    1. Re:whats the big deal? by Twelfth+Harmonic · · Score: 1

      Kate Upton's b**bs

    2. Re:whats the big deal? by zr · · Score: 1

      are her b**bs any different than bajillion of others in all shapes and sizes freely available on the internets?

    3. Re:whats the big deal? by theskipper · · Score: 1

      Yes, her *OO** are larger than most.

    4. Re:whats the big deal? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I've been on the internet too long. I've seen them all. Small boobs, large boobs, boobs that have their own zip code and boobs that make it necessary to check further south to determine their owner's sex because it could well be a guy (and to make matters worse, yes, I've even seen guys who'd probably profit from wearing a bra and thanks a bunch for reminding me of that picture...).

      There's simply nothing special about any kind of tits anymore. Unless they can do some sort of trick like juggling balls or something they're just another pair of boobs. Let's be blunt here, after you've seen a few thousands, it gets boring.

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    5. Re:whats the big deal? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Let's be blunt here, after you've seen a few thousands, it gets boring.

      So boring, in fact, that you only managed to see a few thousands.

  9. Photos, or it didn't happen by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    Come on people, I should not have to remind you.

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  10. If you care about data security, don't use Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will this be the Pearl Harbor moment when people realize that Apple, Android, and The Cloud(TM) is a terrible idea?

    Probably not. Instead people will likely say:

    Oooh! Shiny!!! Iphone 6 coming out in a couple weeks!

    Sad.

  11. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a tip for all the celebs: don't take nude photos.

    1. Re:Solution by PPH · · Score: 3, Informative

      And how odd is it that your b.f. needs to answer one 'important' text message just as the blow job commences?

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    2. Re:Solution by savuporo · · Score: 1

      Extend this to people that are not yet celebs. Even if you are pushing 60 you still might become one.

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    3. Re:Solution by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Probably, but if you're pushing 60, a nude pic won't end your career. People would probably pay to NOT have to look at it.

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    4. Re:Solution by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Hey, my friend just sent me a message to tell you that you suck at this job.

  12. Where are these photos? by luca.masters · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashdot: Where we care about privacy, unless there's a chance to see a naked girl Pro-tip: There are millions of photos of naked women out there that can be viewed wiithout violating anyone's privacy. Go make use of those if you're in so desperate need.

  13. iCloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we sure it's iCloud? If we know for sure, I see some major news sites like CNN not even mentioning Apple in their stories about this... Fanboys.

  14. Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search for "fappening" on the pirate bay.

    It's the one with about 20000 seeds.

  15. Re:If you care about data security, don't use Appl by zr · · Score: 1

    there have been many pearl harbor level events, apple being nowhere near the worst offender. in fact one can easily argue that apple has done pretty well with respect to protecting user's privacy. and we don't strictly speaking know that this particular breach was caused by apple.

  16. Apple's Culture works against them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked for Apple for 9 years. I would never use iCloud for anything I needed to keep private.

    Apple's own culture of secrecy works against them. You don't discuss what you are doing outside your immediate team. This means that you often don't know enough about what you are doing to understand where your code will be used. You are working from a design (or an API) specified by another team and you have to assume they have the complete picture. If they don't specify brute force protection for your code you must assume that they have a reason or they are using some other method.

    The internal secrecy also results in multiple implementations of the same function, because each team knows its own code and doesn't see what others have already implemented or are working on. No doubt somebody in the organization thinks that the internal secrecy is worth the cost.

    1. Re:Apple's Culture works against them. by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      Obviously Apple's infallible security is worth the cost. Oh wait.

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    2. Re:Apple's Culture works against them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/Apple/Microsoft/g

  17. J La's "complaint": by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "My iCloud keeps telling me to back it up, and I'm like, I don't know how to back you up. Do it yourself."

    OP really pulled a sensationalist trick with this one.

  18. passwords are only half of a login by akahige · · Score: 1

    There's one important element of these leaks that I've never seen anyone comment on: it's all well and good to hack a weak password, but how do these people wind up getting their hands on lists of celebrities' private email addresses? It's not like you can just throw some terms at Google and come up with anything useful.

    1. Re:passwords are only half of a login by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really wild guess here. Since these are all celebrities, and you'd think they don't "do their own stunts" computer-wise, it's likely their secretary / agent uses some password management suite. I know only in passing of Hootsuite, which is supposed to let a team* share one login without having low level access to the IDs.
      Someone else said that iPhoto automates a certain process, and perhaps these celebs share normal work pics with their agents via the same Apple ID that they use in private. After all, their MP3 collection and iPhone sync will only work under one Apple ID. Suppose these celebs all have one manager in common, or that they all use a third party to handle their publicity, then you can look for leaks at that level, since the agent would KNOW their emails and identities. Perhaps there was spyware spying on the agents, who would not necessarily be the leakers. In any case, if this is just regarding random people, I'd be interesting to know just how much rogue voyeurs at NoSuchAgency do collect from these same people on a wider scale.

      * from what I understand, if you fire one reporter in a team of 20 where they all update huffingtonPost-WestCoastEdition, you don't have to hand them all a new login but can still restrict the one guy from posting vindictive things via twitter, FB and other social media managed by the product.

    2. Re:passwords are only half of a login by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      User IDs ARE NOT a security device at all. If that was true every corporation would give people obfuscated email addresses instead of basing them on their name.

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    3. Re:passwords are only half of a login by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      There's no reason you can't obfuscate your identity though. Obscurity isn't *absolute* security, but it is a useful layer to have, and may have prevented these attacks. (Although we can't be sure until the source or sources are identified.)

    4. Re:passwords are only half of a login by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      History proves you wrong. Obscurity is NEVER the answer in the Information Age. User IDs are NOT security devices.

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    5. Re:passwords are only half of a login by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure whether you didn't read what I wrote, or didn't understand it. In the first case, here it is again:

      Obscurity isn't *absolute* security, but it is a useful layer to have.

      In the second case, that's about as clear as I can be, so you're on your own.

    6. Re:passwords are only half of a login by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I read precisely what you wrote and i vehemently disagree that obscurity is a proper layer of security in any way. It doesn't even belong in the discussion when talking about security.Its false hope, nothing more.

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  19. Look at Me, Look at Me! by tquasar · · Score: 1

    WTF? Idiot celebs. End of comment.

  20. I actually think it's Dropbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Dropbox's feature that syncs your photos to it. I bet when the truth comes out, the Apple blamer's will have some egg on their face.

    1. There's evidence of a Dropbox manual ending up in the photo mix.
    2. Some of these celebrities claim they don't own iDevices but Android.

  21. hum by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    Ok, first of all, if I some how got hold of these pictures, I'd delete them. Integrity is good for us all. I've no animosity towards the famous.

    That being said, these people sold their privacy for cold hard cash. Not small amounts either, enough to buy the town I live in. Maybe I'm a jerk, but I just don't feel all that bad for them. They sell sex every day, all day. I have a feeling most are more upset that some of the pictures are unflattering than they are that they're nude in them.

    1. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. You're human so you'd look at them first then delete them. Which makes the rest of your post sanctimonious.

    2. Re:hum by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Ok, first of all, if I some how got hold of these pictures, I'd delete them.

      If I got hold of them, I would be more interested in looking at the EXIF, filename schemes and other data I can look at to verify the claims that it was stolen from iCloud. I don't really care about the pictures themselves.

      Integrity is good for us all.

      I think real integrity is contributing help to prevent it rather than just ignoring it.

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  22. Let me get this straight... by WD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somebody:
    1) Takes nude photos of themselves with an internet-connected device.
    2) Has said photos of themselves synchronized with an internet service
    3) Is surprised / outraged that said photos are accessed by somebody on the internet.

    I'm not saying that those people are to blame, but rather that there is a significant disconnect between technology and users' expectations. And the companies involved aren't making things any better with their hand-waving "cloud" mumbo-jumbo.

    1. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >2) Has said photos of themselves synchronized with an internet service
      >3) Is surprised / outraged that said photos are accessed by somebody on the internet.

      That's poor logic. Our government uses the internet for some of the most highly classified materials, and they are never leaked.

    2. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand this is Hollywood. These people are used to computers with giant flashy UI:s where the password is password or at best password123 or you can just type override or something and you break security or you have unhackable machines and nerds that spout crazy technobabble.

      To be fair. Most people have no idea how the little magic iphone box works and where things are going and being stored and how. It's technomagic for probably 99% of the population (totally made up statistic i just pulled out there).

      But one can wonder how it seems like a good idea to take nude pics and then just have them float around there in the icloud. If that is how you roll then you can't really care all that much about your privacy.

      Point and example Lawrence. If she has previously complained about how crap the service on icloud is/was why the hell does she keep using it?

    3. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My home is connected to the street network. That doesn't mean I expect anyone with access to the street to have access to my home.

      The real issue here is trusting Apple to manage the lock on your front door.

    4. Re: Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but your home isn't auto-synced to an offsite location where there is an exact duplicate of your home where thousands of employees work with hundreds of potential hackable entry points.

      Your home you can likely defend, but you can't defend your duplicate house(s).

    5. Re:Let me get this straight... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the companies swear blind that their services are secure and as long as you are the only one with the password no-one else can see your private photos. People trust companies like Apple when the say that sort of thing, daft as that may seem.

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    6. Re:Let me get this straight... by TWX · · Score: 1

      My home is connected to the street network. That doesn't mean I expect anyone with access to the street to have access to my home.

      The real issue here is trusting Apple to manage the lock on your front door.

      That my house is connected to the street network is why I have locks on my doors, a fence around my backyard, locks on my windows, curtains and blinds on my windows, and a security system. I follow my own due diligence to attempt to keep people out by making it hard for them to know what stuff I have, as difficult as possible for them to get in such that they have to break laws in the act, and I have a means of detecting if they force their way in otherwise.

      It's wrong of people to attempt to steal my stuff, but just because it's wrong doesn't excuse me from making an effort to ensure that it doesn't happen.

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    7. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because even the government knows not to trust anything important to Apple.

  23. Re:If you care about data security, don't use Appl by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    While true that Apple is by no means the worst at security, they are one of the most image concious companies in the world and if there is a celebrity backlash due to these leaks it could really harm them. Doesn't help their iPhone 6 launch in the next week or two either.

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  24. Balmer Said Long Ago About The iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like the favorite file format in the iCloud is Pirate just like the iPod; now add Porn.

    What would Steve say to know that his iCloud is the worlds largest gay porn site.

    Ha ha

    1. Re:Balmer Said Long Ago About The iPod by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd guess Saint Steve wouldn't mind. As long as it sells, who gives a fuck?

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  25. Re:If you care about data security, don't use Appl by zr · · Score: 1

    doesnt help nor hurt. not going to register in any meaningful way. news cycle is 24 minutes. it will have been forgotten by the time next post goes up on /.

    the knowledge that "noodies" are out there will linger for a few days for its intrinsic value..

  26. Simple, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These greedy celebrities take these nude photos and upload them to the Cloud or whatever in the hopes they get leaked, then sue said people for leaking them, viewing them, etc.

    After all, there's a profit to he bad.

  27. Some android too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some of these celebrities are supposedly android users, which calls into question the idea of an iCloud attack. What of the rumor that a honeypot wifi at the Emmy awards?

    1. Re:Some android too by NoZart · · Score: 1

      Not an iphone user, but from what i understand, all pictures get "synched" right? So wouldn't a pic sent from an android phone to my iphone get synched, too?

  28. Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/money? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As far as I know, Jennifer Lawrence has never done a nude scene in a movie. Is some of the outrage due to that maybe Jennifer Lawrence as an actress is more appealing/alluring in some roles because she's not been seen on screen nude and thus manages to increase her allure by keeping the mystery alive (although X-Men and American Hustle did about everything possible to reveal that mystery)

    It does seem to be something of a female celebrity career trope that when they hit a mature phase of their careers they start opting for roles that involve a lot of nudity under some kind of guise that it's a challenging or artistically complex thing to do. Usually the more explicit the nudity and/or sex the greater press it draws and with any luck a bump to the actress' career.

    Could Jennifer Lawrence ALSO be motivated by the fact that being nude in a movie is some way passé now -- ie, taking a role with nudity would no longer bring any added celebrity or notoriety because we've already seen that?

    I'm not implying she doesn't have other, better reasons to be annoyed -- celebrities are people too, and like their privacy. I'm just curious to what extent the outrage isn't somewhat motivated by a celebrity's desire to flog an image of sexuality for maximum return.

  29. Wrong idea. by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What it comes down to is, if you don't want naked pictures of yourself to end up for all the world to see, don't take naked pictures of yourself. Famous or not, just don't do it.

    No. What it comes down to is who, and what, are trustworthy. Cloud services are not trustworthy. Some people are not trustworthy. This doesn't just apply to images; it applies to financial information (banks are not trustworthy), to your behavior in public (those other people at parties are not trustworthy) and so on.

    There's no need to give up intimate entertainment. You just need to learn to be discrete, and this means very carefully evaluating who, and what, are trustworthy. I will grant that in the face of all the cloud propaganda, the social networking tsunami, the government's drive to list everyone and everything, and people's innate tendency to gossip, this may no longer be obvious, but discretion is, in fact, one of the key characteristics of a mature and healthy personality.

    If you don't want something repeated, don't say it. If you don't want it shared, don't share it. But you can still do it. From there, the advisability of "doing it" becomes a question of one's morals and ethics -- and perhaps the law. While the law is often completely wrongheaded, we must always remember the amount of power in the system's hands.

    Discretion: That's what is at the core of all of this. Not self-censorship.

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    1. Re:Wrong idea. by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you cannot even trust the platform, then how does your logic work?

      Can't trust cell phone cameras. By definition it's a camera attached to a communications device. It's designed to share that photo.

      Can't trust storing it on a PC as PCs are connected to the Internet in the overwhelming majority of instances.

      Can't even store on many modern-day cameras, as they're communincations-enabled.

      ...and all of these devices are designed to communicate with each other in as transparent a means as possible, specifically to facilitate sharing pictures, videos, etc between the devices that create them, and the devices best able to display them. Then there's the issue of automatic cloud backup on any of these devices, where the camera or phone might not be configured to do it, but the computer or tablet might, as soon as it has retrieved the photo or video.

      Then there's the whole point of a picture, looking it at it. Typically that means more than just the picture-taker looking at it if the photographer and the subject are the same person (ie, selfie), or the subject is not the photographer, then the subject is trusting that the photographer won't leave the image vulnerable to all of the possibilities above, and won't intentionally share it as well.

      For all we know, none of these women's accounts were compromised. Their boyfriends, husbands, ex-boyfriends, ex-husbands, girlfriends, ex-girlfriends accounts could have been, or those people could have shared the photos with others, and their accounts were compromised.

      I guess what it comes down to is, if it exists, it could be evidence. The only solution is to not let it exist in the first place.

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    2. Re:Wrong idea. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Can't trust cell phone cameras. By definition it's a camera attached to a communications device. It's designed to share that photo.

      The problem is not so much that it is designed to share, it's that companies always make it the default to share. Apple, as you might expect, considered their iCloud to be secure and safe so why on earth not add value for the customer by backing up their precious memories? Customers buy into it, they always want more features and since many of them have lost data in the past an automatic "secure" backup system is very attractive.

      If the default was "share, but don't trust the cloud and use your own locally stored encryption key" instead we wouldn't have this problem. A local key wouldn't even be that hard to manage... Well, not on NFC enabled devices, but even an iOS device could use BlueTooth or something for the sharing to avoid it ever going online. It wouldn't be 100% secure but it would stop all remote hacks dead. That's what we need to push for.

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  30. Easy fix by ouachiski · · Score: 1

    There is an easy fix if you dislike a service required by a device. Don't use those devices.... There are options.

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    1. Re:Easy fix by joh · · Score: 1

      Or just don't use that service. Photo sharing by iCloud is NOT mandatory. In fact it is optional.

      By the way, Apple offers two-factor-authorisation with iCloud. I bet that nobody of those celebrities used that. I wouldn't be surprised even if they used the very same password for iCloud and everything else.

    2. Re:Easy fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an easy fix if you dislike a service required by a device.

      Good advice but a bit off-topic: In this thread, we're talking about iCloud which isn't required by any of the Apple devices.

    3. Re:Easy fix by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, but it's tempting to use it. It's pretty much slapped in your face, it's free and it's buzzword-compliant. Very hard to say no for Joe Randomuser.

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  31. What's wrong with you people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On Slashdot, where I thought people valued their privacy, we have about half of you asking for the pictures, a fourth of you posting links of them, and another fourth blaming these celebrities for taking PRIVATE nude photos of themselves (because apparently when your job is "actress", you're not allowed to have a personal life). Nobody thinks it's wrong that that this happened? Does nobody care what a huge violation of privacy these people just went through, or does that suddenly not matter anymore because boobs?

    If I was one of these actresses I'd be crying in a corner right now. You would be too if this happened to you. Just imagine all of your interactions with literally any person, stranger or no. Nobody deserves this to happen to them, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for spreading this crap. I hope the guy that got these photos goes to jail.

    1. Re: What's wrong with you people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't agree that these photos should be taken nor spread, but is "taking nude photos" absolutely imperative to maintaining a private life?

      I've felt compelled to take nude photos exactly 0 times in my life and even if I did I certainly wouldn't put them on an internet connected device.

      A high profile celebrity taking nude photos of themselves on an internet connected device loses intelligence points for me.

      That said, I don't agree that the photos should've been stolen but I don't give a ton of sympathy for it either. Especially since celebrities phones getting hacked makes the headlines often enough.

    2. Re:What's wrong with you people by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter because idiocy. Not boobs.

      We informed, we taught, we blogged, we ranted, we raved, all 'til we turned blue in the face and had carpal tunnel, but people didn't want to listen and ... ohhhh shiny!

      Now, my (not too) sincerest apologies if I feel a wee bit ... well, why not outright call it satisfied, yes, satisfied, that this happened. No, we were not fearmongering, no we were not crying wolf, no, we were not scaridy-cats.

      WE WERE BLOODY RIGHT, DAMMIT!

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  32. Use case is the issue by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    To be fair, there's the good Cloud and the bad Cloud.

    No. There isn't. There's good use of cloud and bad use of cloud. If it's not a problem for random people, business entities, criminals and governments to have access to your data, then cloud storage can be convenient and harmless. Using cloud for storage of anything personal, proprietary, secret or dangerous is outright stupid. Marketing bullshit aside, you are putting your data in multiple-someone-else's hands and you have *zero* control over where it goes from there. There is no assurance of security whatsoever. There never has been. It is extremely unlikely there ever will be.

    These truths extend to your own use of storage. Storing information on your boot drive can expose it to others if the machine ever needs repair and you cannot do the work yourself and you let the machine out the door with the boot drive and/or backup drives still installed. Connecting a machine with information on any attached storage device to the Internet creates a risk constructed of a very long list of possible errors whose genesis can be traced to the author(s) of your operating system and/or your own security procedures. Allowing others physical access to your machine can expose your data. Even the possibility of physical access to your machine, regardless of your authorization, can do so.

    Most people don't understand security, and have not learned to be discrete, and are very poor evaluators of who, and what, are actually trustworthy. Unfortunately, this creates a situation where the gullible fall into the trap set by marketers claiming things like cloud storage are "safe." We can't fix this without specific education on the matter, and with a school system that can't even graduate people who can read and write well, the required understanding of secure data handling will almost certainly remain in the realm of the sophisticated technical person. And the clouds will continue to precipitate data the owners wanted to remain undistributed to many places it wasn't expected to go.

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  33. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, jlaw's has a well crafted and defined public image (that image includes the belief that the image might actually be genuine). This public image includes an idea that she is somehow more 'normal' than a 'normal actress', and therefore would have similar squeamishness towards a nude role as the 'girl next door' you know when she was growing up.

    So one of two things are happening:
      - She is generally offended by this, and is reacting accordingly.
      - Her public image dictates that she appear to be offended by this, and is acting accordingly.

  34. Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're being far too cynical. These are photos that were not intended to be released to the public. These show people's private lives. Just imagine that it happened to you, not only are your naked photos on the internet, but a significant portion of the world has seen them, and they recognize your name and face. What if 5% of all people you meet, stranger or no, have seen those private pictures not meant for the public, and, more importantly, recognize you and know that they're yours? Nobody wants this to happen, and the reason is absolutely not because the "mystery has been revealed".

  35. Behavior by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > If you cannot even trust the platform, then how does your logic work?

    The logic works fine. Platforms can work fine too. Society, however, doesn't. So that part is up to you.

    > Can't trust cell phone cameras. By definition it's a camera attached to a communications device. It's designed to share that photo.

    Exactly right. Buy a DSLR if you require discretion in photography. Ensure it does not have network connectivity (some do... Canon 6D, for instance.) If you take an image with a cellphone camera, be aware before you ever shoot it that you can have no reasonable expectation of privacy whatsoever. It goes further than that, too. When using a smartphone, again be aware you have no reasonable expectation of privacy whatsoever with regard to texts, voice conversations, video conversations, email, your location, billing, logging and so one for every service the phone provides you (or others) with.

    > Can't trust storing it on a PC as PCs are connected to the Internet in the overwhelming majority of instances.

    No. If you want to store something that requires discretion, then you require a non-network connected PC. There's no inherent need to connect a PC to a network. Just because you can, doesn't mean you have to. Nor is there a need to construct a PC with bluetooth, wifi and so on. Nor is there a need to leave a PC in a generally accessible location and/or condition. These are all user choices. Make them wrongly, and your security is compromised. But they are not inevitabilities. There's a lesson here: just because others do something in some particular manner does not mean that you have to do so.

    > Then there's the whole point of a picture, looking it at it. Typically that means more than just the picture-taker looking at it

    Again, no. This is also user choice. You are responsible for the consequences of your choices, and for knowing the things you need to know to make those choices well. The key here is to be informed enough to make the most correct choices. "It's typical" is not a metric that binds anyone in any way. If you embrace such a thing, you either choose to do so or you are so ignorant that you know no better, in which case anyone who trusts you with data that requires discretion is making a serious mistake.

    The images I have taken or otherwise created that I have *decided* you may see are here. The ones I have *decided* you may not have access to, you will never, ever see, barring use of military levels of force. These conditions were quite literally trivial to instantiate and maintain. Think, choose, easy implementation, all done.

    > For all we know, none of these women's accounts were compromised. Their boyfriends, husbands, ex-boyfriends, ex-husbands, girlfriends, ex-girlfriends accounts could have been, or those people could have shared the photos with others, and their accounts were compromised.

    The issue isn't account centric. It is behavior centric. You must identify data that needs protection; you must identify the trustworthy in regard to both persons and systems; you must control distribution; you must employ discretion and ensure that your knowledge is up to the task of seeing all these things through. If you cannot do these things, you are (at the very least) a potential victim of your own limitations. And you should probably fix that. :)

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    1. Re:Behavior by TWX · · Score: 1

      I still think that you're describing an asymptote situation, one where we can quantify what we want the situation to be, but where as much a we strive for it we never actually get there.

      We'll never get there because fundamentally, we like dirt, scandal, sensationalism, dirty laundry, whatever you want to call it. That fundamental vulnerability will always cause someone to seek-out other vulnerabilities, and every technology has them.

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  36. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could Jennifer Lawrence ALSO be motivated by the fact that being nude in a movie is some way passe now...?

    perhaps not as much as you think.

  37. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems every other day there's a "celebrity wardrobe malfunction" story or similar posted somewhere. The difference here is that JLaw and Upton are on top of show business right now, not trying to manufacture some tawdry publicity.

    The other irony is that Tim Cook wouldn't be titillated by the photos, if rumors are correct...

  38. Not informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All three links are to exe files not images or zips.

  39. Ok who else thinks this is fishy ??? Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That iCloud gets "hacked" right before the launch event next week. On another note they also said they have videos witch are not automatically uploaded to iCloud like photo stream, I find it hard to believe anyone would purposely want porn of themselves on every apple device they own lol just a few thoughts ;)

  40. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    I imagine many of them want to be seen as serious actresses and realize that doing excessive, unwarranted nudity early in their careers would sabotage that. Maybe later when they are established they can feel more relaxed about it, but when young doing topless/nude screens is pretty much the mark of a talentless only-there-for-her-looks b-list star. There are exceptions of course, but they are just that - exceptions.

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  41. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by TWX · · Score: 1

    Her words at an awards show where she commented that if she showed a tit she'd break the Internet, then reached up for her decolletage, throws a bit of a wrench in that analysis. The venue was far too public for her to let her guard down, and it flies in the face of a carefully cultivated image of higher standards in a vein like that of Taylor Swift.

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  42. Privacy is gone by Jonifico · · Score: 1

    I hope this teaches people not to trust their privacy with online service these days. It is just non-existent.

  43. Simple by no-body · · Score: 1

    The whole functioning mechanism here is a question of supply and demand with heavily restricting supply and creating profit.
    Every human lately devoid of fur is essentially naked, so there is an immense supply of nakedness.
    Now, to create this market, supply is restricted, in many countries by law and heavily penalized, often with death penalty.
    With those restrictions the market value of relatively few individuals showing few and then suddenly more of their skin create sensation and revenue.
    In essence, who should care at all since once the restricted masses will recognize all this is just an illusion because everyone has it, this market will collapse.
    So, be careful not to invest in any of this scam.

    1. Re:Simple by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Every human lately devoid of fur is essentially naked, so there is an immense supply of nakedness.

      Indeed--Everyone is naked.

  44. Viral marketing ... by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

    ... to promote the iFap; the wearable device to be announced 9/9. Kidding aside, coincidence so close to an Apple event?

  45. two-step verification by DrProton · · Score: 2

    Did the brute-force attack sidestep Apple ID two-step verification? I'm guessing no, and that none of the celebs who were hacked had bothered to enable the two-step login shuffle. You might think a celebrity could afford to hire someone to beef up their online security and advise them in such matters. Why don't they?

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    1. Re:two-step verification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because like all security, for most people it doesn't matter, until it does.

  46. Pure speculation. by ctime · · Score: 2

    It could have just as easily been a packet sniffing engine on a local ISP, cellular network, data center etc. Maybe in front of Amazon? Were these all transferred through snapchat, dropbox or some other file sharing service that leverages AWS or some other cloud provider? Were any taken from those services by admins?

    My point is, many of these images were *taken* with non-apple devices and *deleted* before photo stream was a thing. At this point it is likely someone got access to a darknet cache of images -- the sources are unlikely from one location, but from many many sources over many years.

    LTDR; 1. Enable 2FA 2. If you upload something to the internet, assume someday someone will be able to see it and do whatever they want with it. Are you okay with that?

    1. Re:Pure speculation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What % of the NSA collection does anyone think this might be? Google? Facebook? Skype? Apple? WhatsApp?

  47. Not only iCloud at fault by toomanyairmiles · · Score: 2

    Looking at the EXIF data attached to the photographs, where it's available, and the structure of the filenames I can see that only some of them came from iPhones/iCloud. I can also see photographs from Android phones (Nexus 7 and Samsung Galaxy 5s) likely acquired via Google Drive, other photographs clearly taken from Dropbox accounts (the dumps include default dropbox files), and many clearly taken from Twitter and Facebook private messages (filenames are a dead giveaway).

    Some of the filenames look like those you would get from a recovery or backup programme rather than an auto generated one, which chimes with what victims have said on Twitter regarding deleting the images months or even years ago.

    In any case there are clearly multiple sources and as usual Apple Derangement Syndrome is in full swing.

    Likely as not this was related to the heartbleed bug. Large amounts of passwords were acquired around that time, and were probably being used on multiple services. It's equally possible that this wasn't a breach at Apple et al but a breach of Amazon Web Services or Microsoft's Azure as those services are used to backup data from iCloud, Google Drive, and many others.

    What's worse for some of the celebs is that the pictures contain GPS data that could compromise their homes.

    1. Re:Not only iCloud at fault by m00sh · · Score: 1

      Looking at the EXIF data attached to the photographs, where it's available, and the structure of the filenames I can see that only some of them came from iPhones/iCloud. I can also see photographs from Android phones (Nexus 7 and Samsung Galaxy 5s) likely acquired via Google Drive, other photographs clearly taken from Dropbox accounts (the dumps include default dropbox files), and many clearly taken from Twitter and Facebook private messages (filenames are a dead giveaway). Some of the filenames look like those you would get from a recovery or backup programme rather than an auto generated one, which chimes with what victims have said on Twitter regarding deleting the images months or even years ago. In any case there are clearly multiple sources and as usual Apple Derangement Syndrome is in full swing. Likely as not this was related to the heartbleed bug. Large amounts of passwords were acquired around that time, and were probably being used on multiple services. It's equally possible that this wasn't a breach at Apple et al but a breach of Amazon Web Services or Microsoft's Azure as those services are used to backup data from iCloud, Google Drive, and many others. What's worse for some of the celebs is that the pictures contain GPS data that could compromise their homes.

      The Jennifer Lawrence pictures looks like they span 2-3 years. Each set has different hair colors, body shapes. My first thought was upgraded cell phones - phones that were reset but the data was still there when the user got a new phone.

      The common link between these stars could be a phone retail outlet. Maybe an employee there would take the old phones, make copy of the internal flash memory before it was shipped off somewhere else.

    2. Re:Not only iCloud at fault by toomanyairmiles · · Score: 2

      I don't think there is one common link, or one blockbuster hack of a single service (which means Apple is getting some very unfair press right now).

      Looking at the whole picture of data, dates, locations, resolutions, phone models, file names etc, it appears to be multiple hacks conducted quietly over a number of years and in a number of different ways. So it's possible this is the output of one or more collectors operating over a long time.

      The backstory to this is going to be very interesting!

  48. Amazing... by Coditor · · Score: 2

    ...how some speculation posted on the internet has to be true. So far there is zero evidence it has anything to do with iCloud or even Apple, just speculation. The brute password hack was real but there is no evidentiary connection so far. Unless 100% of the celebrities were using iPhones and iCloud to store their photos it's just as likely there was some other kind of hack such as some place they all were at (people pointed to the Emmys as one possibility). But the internet is all about pumping up the noise. It might be iCloud, or it might not be, we don't have any proof yet. It could be someone at the NSA had too much booze one day.

  49. Poor Snowden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This might do more to raise concerns about privacy and security than all the news coverage of the Snowden leaks. That's the sorry state of our world today.

  50. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by swb · · Score: 1

    Are they exceptions? Kate Winslet, Ann Hathaway and Marion Cotillard have all done extensive nudity yet remain highly regarded actresses. You could just as easily say that good acting is an exception and nudity is just a superfluous criteeia.

    I think a lot of it is complicated by the twisted American view of nudity. It's often only put in for scandal and titillation and seldom used in a realistic manner. A lot of people talk about "unnecessary" which I think is begs the question as to what "necessary" nudity is.

  51. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does seem to be something of a female celebrity career trope that when they hit a mature phase of their careers they start opting for roles that involve a lot of nudity under some kind of guise that it's a challenging or artistically complex thing to do

    Nah, that's what they get offered. Most of them would probably prefer to keep their clothes on for a number of reasons but if that's the only work they can get, then most of them will take it.

    One thing about nudity is that it takes the film out of the "made for TV" realm. That's probably one reason directors do it.

  52. Some advice by plazman30 · · Score: 2

    If you don't want something to leak on the Internet in the 21st century, DON'T DO IT!

    Perhaps the NSA could have learned that lesson with Edward Snowden...

    These really are just nude pictures, some with sex. But are we all shocked that are celebrities look hot when they're naked?

    Far worse would have been for photos to leak showing criminal activity, such as torturing dogs, doing drugs, or acting like complete assholes by beating up and torturing people.

    1. Re:Some advice by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      If you don't want someone to steal your money, DON'T EARN IT!

    2. Re:Some advice by NoZart · · Score: 1

      maybe some are shocked that some celebs look rather plain in the nude....

    3. Re:Some advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      imho, (among those with nooodies) most female celebrities do NOT, in fact, look 'hot' when nekkid.. most don't look that good without layers of makeup painted on, too, and when they do get gussied up they just look like average street walkers.

    4. Re:Some advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kate Upton looks as good as expected (and look, she's fucking a guy with a small dick!) Teresa Palmer looks even better than expected. Victoria Justice (to be fair, we're stretching the definition of "celebrity" here) looks pretty damn good too. Some of the people I'd never heard of (Ali Michael and Jessica Brown something) looked fucking spectacular, but to be fair their jobs require them to have good bodies.

      Jennifer Lawerence on the other hand, does come across as looking "plain." She needs to put in some work, hit a gym and lay off the junk food.

  53. iCloud hack is possible, but pretty speculative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's a few long bows being drawn here.

    1. If we assume that iCloud has been hacked, either systematically, or en-masse, then there's a lot more data to be grabbed, then just nude photographs. Epicly more: Emails, appointments, holiday plans, Tinder logs etc At this stage, none of that has come out publicly. I'd have thought the list of Tinder users JLaw had swiped right for would be equally as salacious as a the photographs, or that the iMessage backups of some celebrities would probably contain high value salacious gossip & sexting.None of this kind of data has surfaced as yet (it may in the future).

    2. The EXIF data on a substantial number of the photographs indicates a reasonably high percentage, maybe 40%, use of non-iOS devices. Yes its technically possibly to move photographs taken from other devices into iCloud via a Mac, but its a bit of a stretch that such a high percentage of users would also ALL be using iCloud.

    3. Some of the photography appears to have come from years old photographs, that pre-date iCloud, some of the photos are doctored, and some of the people involved have denied ever using iCloud.

    So, from that its pretty safe to conclude that the photographs are actually coming from multiple sources, dispersed over a period of years. As an iCloud hack can't be the source of a large fraction of the photos, its open to speculation/debate as to how large this fraction actually is. IF that fraction is roughly of a size where good old social engineering, password re-use, and trivial passwords could explain it, AND no other non-photo salacious data comes up, you'd have to conclude that the "mass iCloud hack" hypothesis is on shaky ground (even though SOME of the pictures may have indeed come from iCloud).

    Essentially the iCloud hack hypothesis comes from someone a) claiming it, and b) a recent brute force attack tool that is now neutered, being posted to GitHub. Thats pretty thin in terms of supporting evidence.

    An alternate hypothesis, is that its actually a leak of a closed community darknet celeb picture sharing forum, where someone has broken that circle of trust. It does involve 4Chan after all.

  54. A foretaste of the future by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    I remember reading a book by Arthur C Clarke (I think it's something called Light of Other Days), where surveillance has become so pervasive because the technology to do so has become penny cheap everybody assumes everybody will be spied on. When that point is reached, then you'll have to take it for granted that somebody somewhere has a revealing photo of you. Does the shower head have an embedded nano-camera? What about that coffee mug?

    So maybe when that time come people will just try to look their best everywhere whether it's in the crapper, bed or kitchen. In bed people will simply avoid embarassing/humiliating positions unless they want to be known as the hideous kinky type.

    Worse than having a leaked photo of your naked self is having a leaked photo of your warts, love handles and other ugly spots. If you're built like a body builder or a supermodel, your nude photo can well become part of your professional resume. Who knows, maybe some celebs are deliberately careless about their nude photos because subconsciously they want the whole world to see how beautiful they are even when they're not wearing designer clothes?

    1. Re:A foretaste of the future by Whibla · · Score: 1

      It has to be said, some Sci-fi authors can be very good at positing the "what if" scenarios, and addressing the ramifications in a thought provoking manner.

      I read a story with a similar premise, but the outcome was almost the reverse of that which you describe.

      When one is permanently 'on display' to any interested party, when all places previously considered private are now viewable to anyone, at any time, the behaviour of people, especially the younger generation, no matter where they were, defaulted to "fuck it, this is me, warts and all". Whereas, previously, someone would behave in a certain way only in private now they will behave like that everywhere. Want to make love to your girlfriend on a park bench for all to see? Well, why not, they can see it wherever you are anyway! It was only the older generations, who had grown up with some expectation of privacy, as well as a certain prurience, that had problems with this. Notions of public decency and, to a lesser degree, morality are, after all, largely a social construct, one that is inculcated in us at an early age, tempered by our own experiences of the world around us.

      It was an interesting read, and certainly gave me much to think about as a youth, particularly the notion that dying from old age becomes a 'driver', or at least a necessary factor, for social evolution.

      Slightly off-topic, I'll admit, but it's nice to reminisce...

    2. Re:A foretaste of the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off topic, but that was a very good book. I need to re-read it... thanks for the reminder!

    3. Re:A foretaste of the future by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      public indecency is more about my right not see it. I hope those two lovebirds got the ever loving shit kicked out of them by the cops and arrested in that story.

      Knowing that i live in a deterministic universe and that free will is most likely a myth, doesn't preclude me from living as if i had it. similarly, i know that someone has the capability of monitoring every action i take online, honestly, who would care? So my privacy isn't necessarily real, does it matter if it's someone's day-job to monitor what me along with 40 other people do with their time?

      and if you're of a particular mindset... similarly, God watches everything... everything... all the time, everywhere.

      again, who cares?

  55. apple again by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

    this is the second time apple has been involved in a celebrity sex photo/video leak.

    in 2008 Edison Chen (popular Hong Kong actor/singer) took his idevice to an apple store for service, his dozens of videos and photos of sex with a dozen famous HK starlets were on the internet, slowly leaked like these appear to be.

    there was huge backlash, he ended up "retiring" from acting, but has since returned.

    1. Re:apple again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Edison Chen didn't go to an Apple Store (as in, an Apple-owned store with a Genius Bar). He went to a store named 'eLite Multimedia' in HK's central district.

      Bit of a distinction. Apple had nothing to do with it.

  56. If you care about data security, don't use Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brute force attack. Possibly re-used passwords. Use fully random 32 character passwords for your cloud stuff. And don't put nude selfies on the internet. Regardless of service.

  57. Not only. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And let's face it, it's only boobs.

    There's often much more.
    But only a handful of photos are quite worth to protect from prying eyes.
    Most are only a display of ordinary intimacy, over time celebs will overcome this.

  58. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

    So we can look forward to Judy Dench doing some excessive nudity now that she's firmly established?

  59. Made me remember of GTA V commercial "The cloud" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are fired Internet!!.

  60. They Deserve It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who uses an Apple product or "Cloud"/"Smart" product, is a tool and an idiot, and deserves to get hit by a bus, at the least. :)

  61. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Gryle · · Score: 1

    I'm not implying she doesn't have other, better reasons to be annoyed -- celebrities are people too, and like their privacy. I'm just curious to what extent the outrage isn't somewhat motivated by a celebrity's desire to flog an image of sexuality for maximum return.

    Bullshit. That's exactly what you're doing. Because of course the biggest reason someone would be annoyed by privacy violations is a loss of potential income.

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  62. I'm not sure how to start a new discussion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but seeing as how this is related.

    Obviously there are things that you should probably just keep offline. On the other hand, it can become very useful to have files up-to-date, synced, and backed up somewhere (most conveniently - the cloud). Especially nudies.

    I'd like to ask the slashdot community some advice regarding the topic at hand. I've been concerned about the security of iCloud for quite some time and naively (out of pure convenience) began storing some sensitive data in the cloud. Obviously the first step would be to encrypt the txt/file on my end before uploading it to the cloud... is there any recommended programs that might streamline this? I've found two options, one that works with dropbox, and another that works with iCloud. But neither are quite what I am looking for.

    Janus Notes 2 and BlueNote are both available for mac users... Janus is nice because it syncs with iCloud automatically, but it doesn't prompt you for a passkey when you use it... you simply set it and forget it. At lease janus is open source!

  63. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by swb · · Score: 1

    Who are we dealing with here? Pretty young actresses have a shelf life like ripe peaches and an army of agents, publicists and ego-strokers whose number one mission in life is to make sure they wring maximum monetization out of their celebrity looks.

    I'll Jennifer Lawrence some credit, she's a great actress, but don't think for a moment that this entire celebrity enterprise isn't about turning looks into money. It sure as hell isn't about "art" or their credibility as artists.

    What seems to be missing from any of this photo hacking "scandal" is any kind of questions about what kind of narcissism it takes to start taking your own nude selfies. Are we supposed to just believe this is some kind of creative personal expression, like every normal wife/mother/sister we know strips down and does nude selfies? Or is it more likely this is just a byproduct of the inevitable self-absorbption that comes from a cynical and tireless self-promotion?

    And, really, I don't care -- the morality doesn't bother me a bit, but I'm not going to think for a minute there's not more than a little neurotic behavior. And given the long history of leaked video *tape*, how fucking stupid do you have to be as an A-list celebrity to think "Oh, I can take snaps of my tits on my phone and upload them to the cloud and nobody will ever see them."

  64. Images are already on Google by Puppet+Master · · Score: 1

    If you search for "Jennifer Lawrence nude" on Google, you get quite a few pictures back (fake I'm sure). So why didn't Jennifer just say "Those are fakes" and be done with it? It's getting more attention than it should simply by her stating that those pictures were real and stolen... Had she simply stated they were fake, this would have been a non-issue.

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  65. no, just stupid by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > "if you don't want pictures of your tits online, don't let anyone take pictures of your tits", implies that these actions are both immoral and stupid.

    I don't know where you're coming up with this moral thing. Unless you define "immoral" to basically the same thing as "stupid", which would actually be fairly accurate but few people realize that these days. If you're a Hollywood starlet and you send out pictures of your boobs, someone is likely to show their buddy. That buddy sends it to his buddies and pretty soon your tits are all over the internet. "If you do this, it will likely result in that" isn't a statement of morality as commonly understood at this point in time.

    Of course, if one actually reads a book of "morality" you'll find it says "don't fuck your neighbor's wife because that could get you killed. A prostitute is cheap, screwing your neighbor's wife could cost you your life." Today, though, we like to pretend that morality is either a) because God said so or b) a very abstract philosophical concept. Really, most of the great teaching is about how not to end up dead, how to have a happy life. In other words, how to not be stupid.

    1. Re:no, just stupid by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      So "stupid" = "immoral"? And "immoral" = "stupid"?

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  66. all the pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all of them here getcelebpicnow.com

  67. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing her nude goes a ways to explaining why she isn't comfortable taking her clothes off on screen.

    Losing 10-15 pounds would do wonders for her.

  68. Re:Some outrage motivated by image control/PR/mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing about nudity is that it takes the film out of the "made for TV" realm. That's probably one reason directors do it.

    Doesn't stop the film from getting on TV. All it takes is a little editing.

  69. Where are these photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    photos here - http://allfux.com or http://assbox.wordpress.com you're welcome