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Apple Edits iPhone 6's Protruding Camera Out of Official Photos

Sockatume writes: If you've been browsing Apple's site leading up to the iPhone 6 launch, you might've noticed something a little odd. Apple has edited the handset's protruding camera out of every single side-on view of the phone. (The camera is, necessarily, retained for images showing the back of the device.) The absence is particularly conspicuous given the number of side views Apple uses to emphasize the device's thinness.

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  1. Parallax. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You always see the button side of the phone. The camera is on the opposite side. 1mm is likely to be obscured simply by the positioning in the photo.

    If they cared so much about it to doctor the photos in a completely obvious way, why wouldn't they just make the case 1mm thicker instead of risking the lawsuits?

    This whole article is troll bait.

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    1. Re:Parallax. by Motard · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the bulge was where the U2 album was stored.

    2. Re:Parallax. by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Funny

      We demand strict orthographic projection in all marketing materials!

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    3. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 5, Informative

      Parallax isn't going to hide something like that on a device of that size. I'm holding mine exactly like that right now. I sure as hell see the camera bump, even being way on the other side of the phone from my vantage point.

      Plus, take the images and invert the colors. You can clearly see editing work. Basic Photoshop detection 101. Even more fun when you have a shitty TFT screen that makes every glaring error even more obvious.

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    4. Re:Parallax. by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

    5. Re:Parallax. by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Informative

      Parallax isn't going to hide something like that on a device of that size.

      This is a function of focal length and subject distance.

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    6. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This whole article is troll bait.

      This whole website is troll bait.

    7. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      Along with a few other mathematical things yes; but as it stands, unless they were taking those pictures from dozens of meters away, parallax isn't going to hide that from a dead-level perspective. I'm trying right now with my 26x optical zoom DSLR across the apartment, I can't get that tiny bump to stay hidden without showing more of the front of the phone.

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    8. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Parallax? Irrelevant.
      Since they've used the thinness as a marketing tool, it's not incompetence, it's false advertising.

    9. Re:Parallax. by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're doing it wrong. The closer you are, the easier it is to hide.

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    10. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      And with the obvious FOV on those images, it's obvious you couldn't get close enough to hide it without pretty much having the edge directly against the camera lens. You'd have better luck trying fro further away to minimize its detail.

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    11. Re:Parallax. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

      I think they were just holding it wrong while taking the pictures.

    12. Re:Parallax. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Show me another MILF with an IQ of 80 who has inculcated herself as one of the highest paid cheerleaders of all time.

      That's amazing.

      It's also depressing, but you didn't ask about that.

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    13. Re:Parallax. by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      And look! It caught you!

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    14. Re:Parallax. by msauve · · Score: 2

      Straightedge across phone's camera and edge. Another across the front of the phone. The two straightedges will form a wedge - a lens inside that wedge will see only the side of the phone (no camera, no front). It's not clear why you were playing around with taking pictures from across the room, I doubt the wedge extends nearly that far.

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    15. Re:Parallax. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

      How can you tell that it is shown at exactly right angles? All they have to do is offset the angle by the tiniest fraction and "boom", the lens bulge is obscured by the case.

      As you said, it is 1mm, and they are shooting it from the other side of the phone in every photo/rendering I have seen.

      I submit that you have to be able to see the back of the phone, or perhaps be "dead-on" to the side to see a "bulge" of such diminutive proportions.

      That's not really "parallax" by the way.

    16. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

      I'd say it's thick enough to measure on Apples give-a-shit meter.

      Of course, someone is now wishing they weren't so anal about it.

    17. Re:Parallax. by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Ok, let's estimate this.
      The display is not visible, so lets assume that the light goes parallel to the display. Lets also assume that it is 60mm from the side of the phone to the lens.
      When drawing this in a sketch there are two triangles with identical angles. One is along the phone with two sides given as 1mm and 60mm. In the other one side is the phone thickness of 6.9mm, and the other is the distance between phone and camera.
      Simply calculating the ratios gives a maximum camera distance of 60*6.9/1 = 414mm = 41cm.
      Sounds reasonable.

    18. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "It's not clear why you were playing around with taking pictures from across the room"

      Because every possible distance gets tested when dealing with an edge-on view at a fixed FOV to determine the viability of hiding features. Smaller things further away are easier to hide than close-up.

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    19. Re:Parallax. by unrtst · · Score: 4, Informative

      And with the obvious FOV on those images, it's obvious you couldn't get close enough to hide it without pretty much having the edge directly against the camera lens. You'd have better luck trying fro further away to minimize its detail.

      Wrong. It's very easy to hide it. I just did so with my Samsung Galaxy S4, whose camera protrudes about the same amount, but does so in the middle of the phone. And I did that with a crappy point and shoot... just get up close and position it correctly. If you're looking with your eyes, you will have to close one, and you'll have to be able to focus on things very close (I can't focus on stuff that close to my face, but my camera can).

      FWIW, I'm not claiming they didn't simply photoshop the images, but it's certainly possible to take side pics that don't show the 1mm protrusion on the opposite side of the phone.

    20. Re:Parallax. by butalearner · · Score: 1

      No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

      Not that it matters anyway. Everyone I know that has a recent phone has a big fat case to protect it.

    21. Re:Parallax. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      "...why wouldn't they just make the case 1mm thicker instead of risking the lawsuits"

      Who knows? We're talking about Apple here, so anything is possible. I personally would prefer a thicker device (and therefore higher capacity battery), I do not understand this obsession with "ultrathin" devices. But that said, note that the point of the article is actually Apple trying to hide what she considers a "problem" in her product, and this is not a behavior that is expected of a responsible company.

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    22. Re:Parallax. by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not if the small thing is represented in the photographic medium at the same size as taking a picture of the thing up close with a different lens.

      Automobile magazines take pictures of cars from as far away as practical, so that the part of the car closer to the camera doesn't look substantially larger than the part of the car further from the lens. They use a telephoto lens to achieve this.

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    23. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, amazing things like announcing a smart watch (Multiple manufacturers are already selling these), introduced a larger form factor for their phone (Multiple manufacturers started this trend years ago), and introduced an NFC payment method (Multiple parties have already implemented this). What other amazing feats have I missed?

    24. Re:Parallax. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Macs I'd Like to Fuck? Eww.

    25. Re:Parallax. by msauve · · Score: 1

      "Smaller things further away are easier to hide than close-up."

      Not if the resulting images are adjusted so the pictured object is the same size. Unless you're reducing a detail to the single pixel range, that is. Additionally, the phone's lens would be more out of focus (when focused on the edge of the phone) when taken from a closer position - depth of field can be used to de-accentuate a feature. Finally, parallax would make the phone's camera appear smaller in proportion when photographed from a closer position.

      You seem to be doing everything exactly, and perfectly, wrong. Are you trying to troll, or simply don't know what you're doing?

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    26. Re:Parallax. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yea, all sorts of amazing things that Android phones have had since 2011?

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    27. Re:Parallax. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple is about style and fashion. So why not use photoshop or anorexic phone models? Everybody in fashion does it.

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    28. Re:Parallax. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      I'm holding mine exactly like that right now.

      Don't lie. You don't own one. You've made it abundantly clear in previous posts that you hate Apple and it's products.

    29. Re:Parallax. by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 2

      It can't be at right angles to both the front and the back of the phone -- they are parallel, non-coincident planes.

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    30. Re:Parallax. by msauve · · Score: 1

      "I know very well what I'm doing."

      Well, if you know very well that you're doing it wrong, why do you persist?

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    31. Re:Parallax. by graphius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But... but... he has a 26X Optical Zoom on his DSLR Whatever the fuck that means. If he really has a DSLR (Digital Single Lens Reflex) I am not aware of a zoom lens with a range greater than 16x (18-300) You do know that the multiplication factor means the longest focal length divided by the shortest. Or maybe he meant 26x magnification at the sensor plane, in that case, he must be using a crop frame sensor with an 850 mm lens (approximately) or more likely, a 500mm (mirror) lens with a 1.4x converter He spent all that money on photography gear and still doesn't understand perspective...

    32. Re:Parallax. by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      1mm is about 15% of the total thickness.

    33. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What did you do today?
      I argued about a 1 mm bump on a phone.

    34. Re:Parallax. by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      This is true; if they wanted the lens flush with the case, they could've used a bigger battery as well. Win-win. These phones are too thin as it is; my S3 is so damn thin that, without a case, it is difficult to hold onto.

      Marketing over function.

    35. Re:Parallax. by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of a parrallel projection? You're all rahter pathetic as Appleogetics...

    36. Re:Parallax. by linear+a · · Score: 1

      Another Lie! Slashdotters don't have "fiances".

    37. Re:Parallax. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Plus, take the images and invert the colors. You can clearly see editing work.

      I expected to see some sort of obvious contrast in the background when I tried this, but I didn't notice anything. What does one look for?

    38. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Doing all of that in a way that people will, you know, actually buy and use.

      There is that.

    39. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      they see you as a customer, not as a product.

      Ha Ha HA! OMG that is awesome.

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    40. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      If I'm not mistaken, the parallax explanation would require a distance of the button side of no more than 35 cm from the lens' front principal plane. Doesn't it at least suggest that they tried fairly hard to consciously push the perspective? The usual 100mm macro lens would only be able to fit it in diagonally, I think.

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    41. Re: Parallax. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      She saw Russia from her back garden which, given the location of her garden and the curvature of the Earth is unbelievably amazing!

      Did she specify it was with the naked eye?

      Maybe she used the $2.1 she got for the plane that was on ebay to purchase a Predator drone.

      Or she used a telescope and the mirror on Hubble.

      Maybe she has a TV in her garden and was watching a documentary on Russia.

      Perhaps, shocking as it is (being a politician), she exaggerated or flat out lied.

      But hey, the president apparently visited 57 states during that same campaign. ;-)

    42. Re:Parallax. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      they see you as a customer, not as a product.

      Ha Ha HA! OMG that is awesome.

      explain.

    43. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I know very well what I'm doing.

      Based on your "logic", you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to hide something using perspective from across a room. You also nonsensically talk about "close-ups" when pictures of objects taken using lenses of different focal lengths can actually have the same dimension in the photos, with only the amount of perspective being different. Perhaps you need a refresher on geometry?

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    44. Re:Parallax. by graphius · · Score: 1

      never heard of mount adapters to use manual lenses from much older 35mm SLR cameras

      Yes, and I have still never heard of a zoom lens with a range greater than 16 times. Most film zoom lenses maxed out at 4X

      I understand perspective just fine,

      I meant to say parallax, but you don't really understand either. Read farther down on the example of a chimney on a house.

      Try this. Use a very wide lens, say 20mm on a full frame camera.

      Bring the phone close to the camera so it fills the frame.

      shooting edge on, and with the screen on top, tilt the phone up until you just see the screen.

      You will not see the bump on the bottom.

      or more blatantly, hold a coffee cup close to your face. Can you see the top and bottom? no. This is the same affect. or look up perspective especially single point perspective

    45. Re:Parallax. by graphius · · Score: 1

      now that was funny...

    46. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I also understand parallax just fine. And I also understand that up close or far away, the bump still shows up, unless you're BLIND.

      You've just publicly proven that you're a moron. Does that make you happy?

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    47. Re:Parallax. by Forthan+Red · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gee, that's funny, because Samsung's official images of the S4 clearly show the camera protrusion from the side: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsun... And Apple shows their phone from both sides, so in those with the lens on the near side, it should be even more evident. But it's not. It's clear case of iLying.

    48. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Using KH-11? ;-) It's close enough, anyway.

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    49. Re:Parallax. by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Because every possible distance gets tested...

      Umm, you realize this is a photograph and not a ray-tracing exercise?

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    50. Re: Parallax. by jackspenn · · Score: 2

      By MILF, I assume you are referring to the Media Input Lense Feature.

      We are still talking about Apple, right?

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    51. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      they see you as a customer, not as a product.

      Ha Ha HA! OMG that is awesome.

      explain.

      If it has to be explained to you then it can not be explained to you.

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    52. Re:Parallax. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1
      they see you as a customer, not as a product.

      fact: apple makes money when you buy the product. they do not make money by tracking how you use the product.
      fact: goog gives the "product" away for free. but they track how you use is, and sell access to this information to earn their profits. so yes, for apple you are the customer and for goog you are the product. how do you disagree, without ad hominems?

    53. Re:Parallax. by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Actually it is, because in the U.K. at least (and probably the rest of the E.U.) doctoring photos like this and then using them in advertising is highly illegal. Apple are likely to be hit hard in short order.

      I have no idea if the USA allows such deceptive practices in advertising but it would not surprise me.

    54. Re:Parallax. by jon3k · · Score: 2

      Plus, take the images and invert the colors. You can clearly see editing work. Basic Photoshop detection 101. Even more fun when you have a shitty TFT screen that makes every glaring error even more obvious.

      Not only is there nothing there when you invert the colors (see here, inverted and zoomed for your viewing pleasure), it's very likely it was a computer generated image and not even a photograph to begin with.

    55. Re:Parallax. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Does he work for Apple? Because iPhone 6 and 6 plus haven't arrived to customers yet.

      Yes they have. Two of my coworkers have them now. Got them a few days ago. That's the result of big money contracts.
      They haven't been shipped to consumers yet. Customers have them.

    56. Re:Parallax. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It's Khyber. He talks out of his ass every single time.
      Just laugh and wait for APK to come tear him a new one.

    57. Re: Parallax. by jevansturner · · Score: 1

      This. Also, it's not visible on the side views of the thinner iPod touch 5th generation (the current model for 2 years now).

    58. Re:Parallax. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Greetings, attempted pedant.

      You cannot extend planes. Planes are, by definition, infinite in expanse.

      You are correct in pointing out that anything orthogonal to one plane is also orthogonal to every plane parallel to the first.

    59. Re:Parallax. by larryjoe · · Score: 2

      No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

      2 business cards makes it sound insignificant. Meanwhile 1mm / 6.9 mm is about 15%, which makes it sound more significant.

      Does this 15% matter? If you want an Apple phone, it doesn't matter. If you don't care for Apple phones, it does.

    60. Re:Parallax. by thaylin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only because it is an "i device". Not because it is better in any way. That is not amazing, that is zealotry.

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    61. Re:Parallax. by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Apple nor google make their money from selling your habits. Other companies do that for BOTH of them. Google makes money selling ad space that will target you. Google has a vested interest in not selling that data, to stay at the top of the advertising ladder. Google can target ads to you without selling any data about you to someone.

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    62. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      fact: apple makes money when you buy the product. they do not make money by tracking how you use the product.

      yes they do, iAds uses targeted advertising. here is just one example of where they leverage user data for targeted advertising.

      fact: goog

      yes we all know what google does, and that is irrelevant for this discussion. you mentioning them is an attempt to deflect from what apple does so you can point to them and say "but google is worse", we already know that.

    63. Re:Parallax. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      semantics. goog tracks you to make money off of your activities. apple doesn't give a hoot because they don't make any money there.

    64. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      I was pretty sure it could not be explained to you. So I did not.

      Others though tried. As I predicted their effort was in vain. Much like a person vested in being a Democrat or a Republican in order to to be ok with your bad decisions you must see all evil in the other guy and all good in your side.

      Sad really how the media has turned everyone into a fanboy. (Apple, Android, Liberal, Conservative, Democrat, Republican) All you can really do is hide in your little safe corner where your previous decisions are safe from your own scrutiny.

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    65. Re:Parallax. by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It's simply a perspective image.

      The field of view angle would have to be pretty ridiculous and introduce other distortions to hide a protrusion 15% of the thickness. The more likely explanation is that Apple's products have a high dependency on aesthetics so hiding the ugly camera bulge is in their interest. Is that going to deter me from buying one though? No.

      You can see a more realistic shot here and compare that to Apple's product shots, even if they took the photo with an odd angle and lens or from a long way away and cropped the image or whatever, you'd have to be pretty naive to think it wasn't done on purpose. Does it make any difference? Probably not.

    66. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sure. You go right ahead and click the agreements for your iDevices and iSoftware. Do not bother to read it. Apple loves you and would never sell information on you for profit to their "Partners". I bet no matter how hard you look you will never see ... Ohh, wait.

      Is this where you could opt out of iAds tracking?

      Interesting. I am sure they give away targeted ads to their advertising partners for free though. Because they do not want you to look like a fool.

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    67. Re:Parallax. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I bet you're not married.

    68. Re:Parallax. by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      If they didn't photoshop it, then they certainly manually tweaked it until the bump is gone.

      One way or another, they are obscuring the bump deliberately.

    69. Re:Parallax. by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      So in other words....you're holding it wrong :D And it's not a troll article if they purposely tilted it like 1 degree and only have shots from 1 side on their entire website. That's obviously on purpose and dishonest.

    70. Re:Parallax. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      There's a baseball cap on top of the camera?

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    71. Re: Parallax. by DVega · · Score: 1

      If you get your lens closer enough of the phone to hide the camera you will get a fisheye view because now the lens is much closer to the center of the phone than the edges. You could correct this by post-processing the photo, but in the end you are still doing tricks in other to hide the camera

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    72. Re: Parallax. by msauve · · Score: 1

      So, you've measured. How close do you have to get to hide the camera projection from view?

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    73. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to hide something using perspective from across a room."

      You wouldn't for large objects, no. You would for small objects, as at smaller sizes and greater distances detail drops. It's like you failed some of that basic geometry, yourself. Do you even raster render or 3D model?

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    74. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Hey, look, someone else that OBVIOUSLY knows what they're talking about, opposed to the dozen or so other idiots on here that can't be bothered to DO THE RESEARCH THEMSELVES and come to the exact same conclusion.

      Betting 10:1 Kyosuke, Graphius, etc are Apple fans talking absolute nonsense Especially graphius, who has never heard of anything with a possible 30X optical.

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    75. Re:Parallax. by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, amazing things like announcing a smart watch (Multiple manufacturers are already selling these), introduced a larger form factor for their phone (Multiple manufacturers started this trend years ago), and introduced an NFC payment method (Multiple parties have already implemented this)

      For fuck's sake, can we get rid of this tired meme finally? "Apple never invented anything" is a straw man faithfully trotted out by anti-Apple fanbois time and time again, seemingly oblivious to the fact that this is really not the point. Anyone who tells you "Apple invented X" is almost certainly wrong, and anyone who says "Apple never invented X" is missing the damn point.

      To wit:

      * Apple did not invent the Personal Computer. Apple took the idea and made (one of) the first PCs that were user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it.

      * Apple did not invent the GUI. Apple took the idea and made the first GUI that was user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it. (Note: it took them two tries to get it right, including the Lisa.)

      * Apple did not invent desktop publishing. Apple took the idea and put together the right user-friendly 3rd party software, GUI and laser printers that made lots and lots of people want to buy it.

      * Apple did not invent USB, nor was it the first to use it. They took the idea and put it into a computer that was "cool" and user-friendly (and whose users were forced to use USB whether they liked it or not), and lots and lots of people started to buy USB devices.

      * Apple did not invent UNIX, or *NIX-derived PC operating systems. They took the idea and made the first *NIX-based OS that was user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it. (Note again that it took Steve Jobs two tries to get this one right, including NeXT.)

      * Apple did not invent MP3 players. They took the idea and made the first MP3 player that was user-friendly enough and supported by an ecosystem that made it easy for people to legally buy music so that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it.

      * Apple did not invent smartphones. They took the idea and made the first smartphone that was user-friendly enough that normal people wanted one instead of just work-issued mobile email tools, so lots and lots of people wanted to buy one.

      Do you see a pattern here?

      So please, please can we get over this "Apple didn't invent anything" BS and recognize what it is that Apple actually does, and hence what criteria their success or failure should be judged on? Apple doesn't live or die on being first. They live or die based on being the first one in a given market to do something really well ... at least until other people catch up and equal them. And then they are on to the Next Big Thing. If they ever run out of Next Big Things, then they are done.

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    76. Re:Parallax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      right and where was windows phone, and Android before the iPhone was launched? how about full screen mobile browsers?

      Windows CE and Palm OS phones were around years before the iPhone, complete with web browsers.

      Sure there are lots of smart watches out there. All of them are thicker than the Apple watch

      Apple Watch = 12.6mm
      Samsung Galaxy Gear = 11.1mm
      Samsung Galaxy Gear 2 = 10mm
      Sony Smartwatch 2 = 9mm
      Pebble = 11.5mm
      Pebble Steel = 10.5mm

      and none of them thought of implementing NFC payments into the watch.

      Samsung Galaxy Gear/2 and Sony Smartwatch 2 have NFC.

      Let alone the astounding watch feature of changeable watch bands

      Samsung Galaxy Gear 2, Sony Smartwatch 2 and Pebble have changeable bands.

      The iPhone 6 really doesn't have any good competing pieces. However iOS still has one major feature than Android and Window phone lack. with in 3 months of a new OS launch /update 80% of all compatible devices have been upgraded. It takes android a couple of years to get to 25%. iOS is still supported on 3 year old devices. only google nexus android devices are supported any where near that long.

      CyanogenMod. I have a six year old HTC Dream running the latest version of Android.

    77. Re:Parallax. by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      Agree, this is obvious troll bait. There are multiple photos of the iPhone with the camera nub visible on Apple's site. Editors, seriously, WTF?!

    78. Re: Parallax. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      By MILF, I assume you are referring to the Media Input Lense Feature.

      We are still talking about Apple, right?

      Closer to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

      However there is a big difference between a terrorist and a Mac user.
      You can negotiate with a terrorist.

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    79. Re:Parallax. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Yep. I recently acquired a inexpensive macro zoom lens. At 1:2-- yes, yes, it's not true macro-- I have to hold the camera very close-- a few centimetres-- to whatever I'm trying to focus on. At the faster f-stops, the depth of field is wafer thin-- a good photographer with a fast macro can make that lens "bulge" disappear. Most macro technique involves stopping down the aperture (and consequently needing to use some sort of flash) and focus stacking to get as much depth of field as possible-- neglecting to do so for artistic reasons is quite doable.

    80. Re:Parallax. by graphius · · Score: 1

      Hi, welcome to the world of 10mm-1000mm focal length telephoto lenses. ...

      There are 10mm lenses and 1000mm lenses, I would love to be proven wrong about a zoom lens from 10mm to 1000mm for a decently large sensor. And apertures for astronomical telescopes usually work out to fairly sedate f10. This lens has an extremely fast f5.6. PS a 10 mm eyepiece is NOT the same as a 1000mm focal length lens for "shits and giggles" Angeneux won an academy award for the unprecedented 12-120mm lens with an unheard of 10x range. Sorry, do your homework and learn the difference between a zoom lens and a telephoto.

    81. Re:Parallax. by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      You always see the button side of the phone. The camera is on the opposite side. 1mm is likely to be obscured simply by the positioning in the photo.

      If they cared so much about it to doctor the photos in a completely obvious way, why wouldn't they just make the case 1mm thicker instead of risking the lawsuits?

      This whole article is troll bait.

      Parallax, LMFAO. The depths the Apple fanboi apologists go to.

    82. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except it is better in the only way that matters: many people prefer it - especially those who can afford the premium over Android phones. The fact is, convenience and ease of use most definitely IS a feature, and for many it's the most important one. Calling 500M+ people worldwide "zealots" is something only a zealot would do.

      Perfect example: Apple Pay. Google has had NFC payments via Google Wallet in Android for years. They could have built a huge business there, but they completely fucked it up. They put out the feature with almost no retailer support, minimal bank support, even worse CE vendor support, only in the US, and a half-assed marketing effort even for Google's usually low standards.

      Apple waited until the feature was relevant (secure credit cards are coming to the US this year), they could design a much more convenient UI (iTunes/Passbook/Thumb ID), launched their solution with dozens of major retailers, bank deals, service beyond the US, and the usual insane Apple marketing hype. Rumor has it they even negotiated a small transaction fee from banks - that alone could make it a multi-billion dollar business very quickly.

      Technical innovation is not everything, and it's often not the most important thing. Timing and execution are often the difference.

    83. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      That has nothing to do with the very valid original point that Apple's hardware buyers are their customers and the phones are their product, while Google's advertisers are their customers and the users are their product. In fact you pretty much restated that in your post.

    84. Re:Parallax. by jaminJay · · Score: 1

      "Fabrications"?!

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    85. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Come on, you can do better than ad hominem. You have made three posts with zero content so far. Explain it to the rest of us reading the thread, then, I'm curious.

      Especially since Google and all other ad-based businesses freely admit the advertisers are their customer and the users their product. That's the whole way ad-supported companies work.

      If you were going to argue the OP's point, you quoted the wrong line. "They [Apple] see you as a customer, not as a product" is completely correct. But that doesn't necessarily make it better, just a different business model.

    86. Re:Parallax. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Google and all other ad-based businesses freely admit the advertisers are their customer and the users their product

      Where did Google freely admit that users are their product? While I don't understand the meaning of "freely" here, so I presume it is somewhat related to "explicitly" . Is that on correct lines ?

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    87. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Well obviously they don't put it on billboards. But their employees freely admit it's true. And why shouldn't they? It's been the cornerstone of advertising-based business for a LONG time. Denying it to themselves would not be in the best interest of maximizing revenue and profit, the primary goal of a public company.

    88. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      You lose. 15 years in October.

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    89. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should take a look at targeted iAds.

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    90. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Eyes are Googles product. They treat their inventory really well too.

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    91. Re:Parallax. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      I don't dispute that conclusion, but Google "freely admit" it? With the adverb "freely" of questionable utility and no meaning? I presume if the adverb had a meaning it would have been clarified in first reply.

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    92. Re:Parallax. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      So Google doesn't "freely admit" it but their employees do privately and yet "freely" to you? Yet they are not "free" enough to do so on Google's behalf?

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    93. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Oh give me a break with the semantic bullshit. I'm not even making a judgment call here, I'm just stating facts that companies who's business model is based on ads (Facebook, Yahoo, Twitter, and many thousands of other companies are the same) consider their user base (eyeballs, whatever you want to call it) their product. And, yes, they are sitting around in meetings discussing this fact and figuring out how to monetize it.

      Are you or have you ever even been in this industry? I have, and I have no problem with the model, but I'm not going to pretend that's not the way it is, and if I did I wouldn't be very good at my job. I assume you aren't or wouldn't be making these silly posts.

    94. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Do your research, iAd has been a huge failure for Apple, and accounts for a minuscule fraction of their revenue and the mobile ad market as a whole.

      http://www.businessinsider.com...
      http://www.businessinsider.com...
      http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/20...

      Probably part of the reason it's not nearly as successful as Google is the very fact that they don't read all of your emails, messages, posts, pictures, etc. to target you.

    95. Re:Parallax. by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      I'm not claiming they didn't simply photoshop the images

      I am! In fact, I'd be willing to be dollars to pesos they did not use Photoshop on the images. I'm sure they used Aperture.

    96. Re:Parallax. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      So Google employees admit "freely" among themselves, but not "freely" enough to the public. If you are so concerned about "silly", why do you use silly lies like Google "freely admit" it?

      In a sane world, it is called NOT AT ALL admitting that users are their product, but internally discussing related things. Surely not "freely" admitting.

      but I'm not going to pretend that's not the way it is

      But you are going to pretend falsely and deceptively that this industry "freely admit" that users are their product. Got it.

      Or you could be idiot enough to not know the difference between something being true and an admission of it being true.

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    97. Re:Parallax. by homb · · Score: 1

      "* Apple did not invent smartphones. They took the idea and made the first smartphone that was user-friendly enough that normal people wanted one instead of just work-issued mobile email tools, so lots and lots of people wanted to buy one."

      No. The first iphone sold only 6M. At the time, there were numerous smartphones, most notably the N95, that sold a lot more. Also, the first iphone wasn't even a smartphone but a feature phone.

      That's completely ludicrous: either you're trolling or you didn't go through the iPhone revolution. The first iPhone was as much a smartphone as the one you have in your pocket.

    98. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? We're talking about perspective here! This is not about object size, not even about object size in the picture. It is especially not about detail size because the topic is how the photo object changes when the camera distance changes while changing the focal length so that the details have exactly the same size.

      As I said, go get a refresher on geometry.

      Do you even raster render or 3D model?

      I don't see how that is related to you being dumb. :-p

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    99. Re:Parallax. by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Show me another MILF with an IQ of 80 who has inculcated herself as one of the highest paid cheerleaders of all time.

      That's amazing.

      It's also depressing, but you didn't ask about that.

      This is an Apple thread, The fanbois would be more interested in FILF

    100. Re:Parallax. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      they see you as a customer, not as a product.

      fact: apple makes money when you buy the product. they do not make money by tracking how you use the product. fact: goog gives the "product" away for free. but they track how you use is, and sell access to this information to earn their profits. so yes, for apple you are the customer and for goog you are the product. how do you disagree, without ad hominems?

      For google search engine and chrome I guess you are the product just as much as with safari and a bunch of the other free iapps. ios and android are products just like windows is.

      Also...goog? you app twats really do make it easy to think you're twats.

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    101. Re:Parallax. by flyneye · · Score: 1

      The bulge was Bonos ego. That commercial with them is SO funny. They weren't punk, but now they're trying to absorb the lives and times of those who actually changed music and associate it with their increasingly irrelevant, aging selves. Nothing to see in an Apple ad, but attention whores making false claims. Typical...

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    102. Re:Parallax. by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'd do her. I bet she bucks like a mule!
      Older gals, they don't swell, they don't tell and they're grateful as hell.

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    103. Re:Parallax. by laird · · Score: 1

      Apple never ships technology first - they take emergent technologies and push them into the mainstream. 3" floppy disks, mice, GUIs, USB, LANs, networked printers, MP3 players, DVD burners, smartphones, digital music stores, tablet computers, etc., all existed before Apple's versions, but they generally kinda sucked to use. Apple took the technology, make it more usable, and delivered it in mainstream consumer devices. So now they're trying to do the same thing with digital wallets and smart watches. Do you really want to bet against them?

      With Apple Pay, the current digital wallets really suck, and Apple's got all the right players aligned, with what looks like great usability and security, so it might really win big.

      With the Apple Watch, Pebble and Google have decent products, so it's not as clear a path to success - I'd bet that Apple makes a good business out of it, but don't dominate.

    104. Re:Parallax. by laird · · Score: 1

      Apple's using "thin" as a measure of engineering excellence. That is, they are engineering all sorts of tricky things, like special display stacking and chip arrangement techniques, in order to make their phones ever thinner. And, of course, thinner = more elegant, lighter and more convenient.

      It's a bit like how Intel focused on clock speed as their key goal, and spent a fortune optimizing their clock speeds (with chip design tools optimized for clock speed, etc.).

      In both cases, people who didn't care about that metric saw it as wasted effort, and argued that the companies were being stupid. But in both cases, by focusing on a clear goal they focused their engineering teams on, and delivered, ever improving products, and they gave consumers something that they cared about, even if the people doing the complaining didn't.

    105. Re:Parallax. by jittles · · Score: 1

      "* Apple did not invent smartphones. They took the idea and made the first smartphone that was user-friendly enough that normal people wanted one instead of just work-issued mobile email tools, so lots and lots of people wanted to buy one."

      No. The first iphone sold only 6M. At the time, there were numerous smartphones, most notably the N95, that sold a lot more. Also, the first iphone wasn't even a smartphone but a feature phone.

      That's completely ludicrous: either you're trolling or you didn't go through the iPhone revolution. The first iPhone was as much a smartphone as the one you have in your pocket.

      I disagree. Without 3rd party apps, ActiveSync, and many other missing features, the first iPhone was pretty useless. I remember people at work camping out to get them, and when they showed them off I thought to myself "These suckers paid $700 for this?" It wasn't until iOS 2.0 and then the release of the iOS SDK that it really became anything more than a feature phone with a touchscreen.

    106. Re:Parallax. by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 1

      Hello fellow pedant.

      You have to extend the planes into the plane of the camera view.

      When the front and back planes are extended it is entirely possible for the camera view plane to be perpendicular to both. In fact, it would be impossible for it to be perpendicular to only one since you pointed out that the front and back planes are parallel.

      True. Mea culpa.

      What I was objecting to was something else, implied in parent post, to the effect that the lens axis lay on the both the front and back planes of the phone at the same time. But I expressed it poorly.

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    107. Re:Parallax. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Generally agree with you. You missed out a few things like laptop computers: Apple didn't invent those, either, but the typical modern laptop design with a trackpad at the front and a set-back keyboard originates from the original Powerbooks. I think they've got a stronger claim with DTP - 3rd party page layout software alone wouldn't be "desktop publishing" without an affordable GUI computer and affordable workgroup laser printer with plug-and-play networking.

      However, I still think its fair criticism to say that the iPhone6/6+ feels a bit like playing catch-up: "Phablets" have been around for several years now and are already a commercial success. There's no shame in designing something to meet customer demand, though...

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    108. Re:Parallax. by Kiwikwi · · Score: 1

      Yes they have. Two of my coworkers have them now. Got them a few days ago. That's the result of big money contracts.

      I mistakingly read this as a response to linear a's post above:

      Another Lie! Slashdotters don't have "fiances".

    109. Re:Parallax. by msauve · · Score: 1

      While it's apparent that he doesn't understand the difference between a zoom and prime lens, there are some pretty wide range zooms these days. Mostly on point-and-shoots. The newly announced Canon PowerShot SX60 HS has a 65x (21 â" 1365 mm equivalent) zoom. Yes, that's the optical zoom. I can't imagine how bad the chroma or distortion is at the extremes.

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    110. Re:Parallax. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      In other words, give the most spastic aspies at Apple something to worry about that wouldn't interfere with the customer using the product.

      Makes sense. Much more sense than the ol' One Button Mouse cult.

    111. Re:Parallax. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      On release day and for quite awhile after the first iPhone was a feature phone. It wasn't until iOS 2 that apps were anything but just like the sad little shitlets that were the only thing on the original Mac (128k). Just like with the original Mac, the people lining up to buy the first iPhone were the poseurs. If it was possible to just selective exterminate the whole bunch of them (everyone that bought a first gen iPhone), the the whole Apple fanbase would improve and become more rational.

    112. Re:Parallax. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      sssshhhh! We're working on turning 'photoshop' into a verb and thus invalidating Adobe's trademark.

      Then when that's accomplished we plan on stealing 'Adobe' and turn it into a common verb meaning 'a bunch of preening shitbags.'

    113. Re:Parallax. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That's not much better than Apple, who consider their user base 'followers' in the elron hubbard sense. 'Customers' to Apple are the reviewers at websites and the buyers at BestBuy, WalMart, and Target.

    114. Re:Parallax. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I recently started trying out a Nokia (you can buy the whole thing for $48 and get on an unlimited data plan for $30/mo at WalMart) and one of the things I've noticed, as a previous Apple and Android user is the limited amount of surveillance that Microsoft does. It's not necessarily that they aren't doing stuff behind the scene, but you don't hear that heavy breathing behind every facade a spy could hide behind, as is the case on Apple and Google platforms. Probably Microsoft is 'too dumb' to monetize that shit properly, or perhaps they're a different flavor of evil. It's an interesting difference, still.

    115. Re:Parallax. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is Apple tried to be like Google and have failed at it. Not for lack of trying, but they just aren't any good at it. As Apple is traditionally a one-product wonder-company it isn't surprising.

    116. Re:Parallax. by graphius · · Score: 1

      yes, a zoom lens is much easier to design for a small sensor. I really wonder how sharp an image you can get with a slow 1200 or so mm equivalent handheld.

    117. Re:Parallax. by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      I've been using Google Wallet for mobile payments. It works great. Not sure what Apple is adding to the mix other than adding a fingerprint security. With Google Wallet, I just take my phone out of my pocket, tap it on the reader, enter my pin, and tap it a second time. With Apple, I guess you make it one tap instead of two? Not really a big deal in my book.

    118. Re: Parallax. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      actually she never said it, tina fey did

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    119. Re:Parallax. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Yet if someone said the same thing about hillary they would be labeled a sexist and modded down. Gotta love the double standard.

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    120. Re:Parallax. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      "Elegance" is something very, very subjective. A "ultrathin" phone becomes more expensive because it is more difficult to be manufactured, becomes more fragile (poor resistance against bending, for example) and have higher operating restrictions (heat needs to go somewhere). Replacing all this in the name of a supposed elegance does not seem anything sensible for me.

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    121. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Zoom and telephoto are one and the same, just one is adjustable. Who's the one that needs to do their homework?

      Oh, and go to Edmund Optics so you can get kits to MAKE YOUR OWN. You can get a 10mm-1000mm focal length kit for around $300.

      Back to school for you. I've been at this for 17 years, since high school photography elective.

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    122. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Yea. You're trying to argue with someone that deals with optics for a living (specifically, LED lighting and concentrating lenses.)

      You can bring your insults around all you want. You're an amateur in the face of a global professional. This is why I've been on the BBC for making plants grow WITHOUT LIGHT AT ALL. I know light better than most anybody here on this site.

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    123. Re:Parallax. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Automobile magazines take pictures of cars from as far away as practical, so that the part of the car closer to the camera doesn't look substantially larger than the part of the car further from the lens."

      Funny, most car magazines I have use forced perspective to make that front end look a lot bigger. That's everything from Auto Trader to Motorsports Magazine.

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    124. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      How do you think they "Target" ads? They sell your info. Your defense here is something along the lines of "Its ok because they are not making as much money from targeting their ads as Google."?

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    125. Re:Parallax. by homb · · Score: 2

      That's complete bullshit. You have no idea what the original iPhone did then. That's exactly the point of @schnell's comment above. No one was using their "smartphone" (or super duper feature phone like the N95) because they were a disaster to use. What Apple did was create a complete package of software and hardware, and provided web apps functionality. It's only when users found out how amazing the package was that they said "Why did you short-change us!?!? That thing is great, let us use it all the way! We want native apps!"

      When people saw my iPhone they'd ask me what I thought of it, and my answer was always that within 3 years everyone would have one or something similar. There was just no comparison, this was finally a usable handheld computer with a SIM card. So whether you call it a "feature phone" or a "smartphone" is irrelevant: it was a revolution in phones, and every single smartphone today is a direct descendant of the iPhone.

      Put another way, the chasm between the phones before iPhone and the iPhone is immensely wider than the difference between the iPhone and today's smartphones.

    126. Re:Parallax. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      it was a bad joke thats for sure. Jokes are supposed to be funny, that was just sad

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    127. Re:Parallax. by Digitalnuke · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on most of your points. But I have to take exception to this one:

      right and where was windows phone, and Android before the iPhone was launched? how about full screen mobile browsers?

      Windows CE and Palm OS phones were around years before the iPhone, complete with web browsers.

      You obviously never used one of these devices to actually browse the web. If you had, you wouldn't have been able to type that because you'd be laughing too hard at your own joke.

      A list of features is all well and good, but if they're not implemented well, they're worse than useless. "Look my Palm phone has a web browser." "Do you use it?" "Not really, it can't read most websites and those it can are all formatted weird and I can't zoom or view images or video. So I mostly just use it for phone calls." "You should try this iPhone." "WOW THIS IS FUCKING INCREDIBLE. This is what I've been wishing for!" -- Actual conversations every day when the original iPhone was released.

      Apple isn't the first to offer features and technologies. But when they do, they get it right. (Mostly *cough* maps *cough).

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    128. Re:Parallax. by werepants · · Score: 1

      Actually, the telephoto thing is for more formal shots and currently looks kind of dated. It tends to compress perspective and represent things more true to actual physical proportions, but it often looks kind of flat and doesn't represent an in-person viewing of the vehicle very well. If you want to accentuate certain features and make the car appear more dramatic and dynamic, you use a wide angle lens, which is what I see in most auto ads currently. Grandparent poster must be posting from the 90's, or referring to the shots used for technical brochures rather than marketing.

    129. Re:Parallax. by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      [...] it's very likely it was a computer generated image and not even a photograph to begin with.

      QFT. A friend of mine is a graphic artist who does, among other things, product catalog illustrations. It's standard practice for him to create a 3D computer model and render a photorealistic version of *that* instead of actually photographing the product. The time it takes him to create and texture the model is nothing compared to the time to set up lighting and everything for a photoshoot. That's especially true when you consider the time for retakes because the marketing manager decides the image would look better with the product rotated another 3 degrees counter-clockwise.

      I'd be surprised if the close-up pictures of any new product were actually photographs. Model it, then churn out renders from any angle with any lighting effects you want. Yes, even an angle that manages to hide an embarrassing bulge here and there. It's nothing that hasn't been done by marketeers ever since... well, ever since advertising, really.

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    130. Re:Parallax. by SinisterEVIL · · Score: 1

      Because apple is brilliant, and they know they can just repackage old ideas and people will buy it. They are making a killing without even trying. Now that's a company hard to hate on/

    131. Re: Parallax. by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      The sad part about the whole thing is that what she really says is so damn crazy/retarded that the things comedians portraying her say is indistinguishable.

    132. Re:Parallax. by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      And this is why we need a dumbass tag.

    133. Re:Parallax. by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason that websites show up well on mobile devices now is that they are specifically formatted for them.

    134. Re:Parallax. by bitSmiter · · Score: 1

      So explain the rise of the iPhone and iPad. Both took products that already existed and made them suddenly desirable. If all it took was flashy marketing, the Microsoft Surface would be zooming off the shelves.

    135. Re:Parallax. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      "Mine" being my fiance's (he has the iPhone, I have a ZTE Score.)

      Would this be the same fiance you claimed on Saturday had an iPhone 4S and wouldn't ever buy another iPhone?

      "The 4S will be his last Apple phone. He was not pleased to find the newest U2 album suddenly breaking up his electronica mix, and having eaten about 3% of his monthly data plan, all without his permission."
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

      And don't bother trying to claim he changed his mind. As of yesterday no consumers had get their iPhones, let alone one's that didn't order till Saturday.

      Does your imaginary fiance know that you are telling lies about him?

    136. Re:Parallax. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      That image of yours makes it appear that the camera comes out in the middle of the light grey decorative band. But it doesn't That's how much perspective there is. The only reason the camera is visible at all is that the camera is in line with the back of the iPhone, not along the centre line.

      you'd have to be pretty naive to think it wasn't done on purpose.

      Of course it's done on purpose. All companies photo their products from the best angles and the best lighting. Even people like to be photographed "from their best side". But that's a very different thing from editing a photograph to remove a feature.

      There is absolutely no evidence of editing whatsoever. It's trivial to take a genuine side on photograph that does not show the camera protrusion, so there's no reason to edit. A couple of other posters have done the trigonometry to prove it.

    137. Re:Parallax. by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      Perfect example: Apple Pay. Google has had NFC payments via Google Wallet in Android for years. They could have built a huge business there, but they completely fucked it up. They put out the feature with almost no retailer support, minimal bank support, even worse CE vendor support, only in the US, and a half-assed marketing effort even for Google's usually low standards.

      This article might be an interesting read. Timing is definitely on Apple's side, but you shouldn't underestimate Google's attempts to trail-blaze.

      Personally, provided neither ecosystem destroys the other, I'm happy. The iPhone6 is at least some serious competition against an Android juggernaut which has really stagnated in the last year. Similarly, it was the larger displays of Android phones and their market dominance that spurred Apple to finally break away from their tiny screens. Competition is always good.

    138. Re:Parallax. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Even at 1:2, you really have a camera with a 6cm wide sensor?

      Actually, no, ignore that question. They could easily have use medium format film cameras with a macro lens (can you get medium format macro lenses? surely?) then just scanned it in.

      Personally I suspect they just photoshopped the fucker though, but I'm biased.

    139. Re:Parallax. by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      CyanogenMod. I have a six year old HTC Dream running the latest version of Android.

      Seriously? You're running KitKat on 192Mb of RAM and a 512MHz processor??

      That's ... well, I'm not sure whether that's insane, masochistic or extraordinary. But you definitely earn my respect for trying (and for saving the world's resources by not upgrading your phone in six years.)

    140. Re:Parallax. by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      No one was using their "smartphone" (or super duper feature phone like the N95) because they were a disaster to use.

      Hey, don't you go insulting Symbian! "Feature phone" my grandmother! The N95 was very much a smartphone. The number of 3rd party apps for Symbian back in the day was enormous, it was easy to develop for, the OS had a history reaching back to the days of the classic psion PDAs, and you could customise just about any aspect of the OS. And if you think about what a Symbian phone could do with crappy processors and no memory to speak of, it was even more impressive. Plus, the N95 had a superb camera -- far superior to the iPhone's shooter when it came out six months later. Your /. userid suggests you should be old enough to remember the N95 and its kin -- I'm surprised.

      I also remember the first iPhone, and while it had a lot of promise and iOS was ground-breaking in its use of a touchscreen, it really wasn't that power-user-friendly. There was no cut and paste (remember how you had to jailbreak to add this?), no multitasking, no 3G, and there were very limited numbers of apps when it was released. Yes, it was a preview of the future and the sheer beauty of the graphics of iOS was amazing; but that first iPhone was a gimicky toy in comparison to what you could do as a power user with Symbian.

    141. Re:Parallax. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Even at 1:2, you really have a camera with a 6cm wide sensor?

      Hah. Good Point. The lens in question is full frame, but I have a APS-C body. Still, Rodenstock, among others does make a large format macro lens for 4x5 cameras.

    142. Re: Parallax. by homb · · Score: 1

      You surmised properly. I did have an N95. The phone was great except that the UI was, well, Symbian, and the battery life was utter, absolute garbage. I was lucky to get 5 hours under wifi. There's absolutely no comparison between the N95 and the iPhone, even without the app store or copy-paste. Yes, iOS 1.0 was sorely lacking in some areas, but overall the iPhone was a giant leap forward. I never even touched the N95 after that.

    143. Re:Parallax. by exomondo · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely no evidence of editing whatsoever.

      Of course, the shots on Apple's product marketing aren't photographs, they are renderings that simply do not have the camera bulge included.

    144. Re:Parallax. by flyneye · · Score: 1

      It's all in a bottle. Dick Clarks "special" wrinkle cream.

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    145. Re:Parallax. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      This whole article is troll bait.

      My reaction to reading the abstract was "And this is news?". What's next, "Cat stuck up tree"? I suppose if it was "Cat with vaguely Apple logo-shaped patch on fur stuck up tree" it'd probably make it too.

    146. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      None of the points you or anyone else have made address the original comment at all, which is the fact that Google's primary customer is advertisers, and Apple's primary customer is hardware purchasers. When > 90% of Apple's revenue is hardware and > 90% of Google's is ads, that's not d debate, it's a fact. It drives the direction of your research and development, as it SHOULD. Again I am not judging, just confirming a fact. And it so shows in the direction of the priorities of the two companies.

      Everything you have been saying is just Apple-hating (vs objective fact, as I do not hate either Apple or Google) and irrelevant and misleading to the simple assertion originally made.

      And to your latest comment: neither Google nor Apple "sells your info". They use your info internally to target ads. It's just that Google uses every last scrap of info they have on you (ie. they read your email, etc), while Apple uses a lot more limited set of data. Again, different models. Google's stuff tends to be free so using your personal data is their model. Apple doesn't need to do that since their revenue is from hardware.

    147. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is Apple tried to be like Google and have failed at it. Not for lack of trying, but they just aren't any good at it. As Apple is traditionally a one-product wonder-company it isn't surprising.

      Yes, in a way that's true: though technically they didn't try as hard because they don't read every email you send and receive to target those ads, etc.

      And if Apple is a "one product wonder company" (which is kind of silly) Google is just as much a one-product wonder company, since ads are almost all of their revenue. The rest of their apps are just ways to target ads better. Again, not that I fault them for that, as they are more or less upfront about it and offer a ton of value for free. Different business models, both highly successful. Only an anti-Apple troll like you would think there is fundamentally different about their basic goal of making money as a for-profit company.

    148. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      . Apple took the idea and made (one of) the first PCs that were user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it. ... Apple took the idea and made the first GUI that was user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it.

      I think you misspelled "could afford" as "buy". It's an easy mistake to make when it comes to Apple and personal computing.

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    149. Re:Parallax. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I misspelled "wanted" as "buy". :-D

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    150. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      No. The original comment was that Apple sees you as a customer and not as a product. This is untrue. If you look at it even though Google makes most of its money off of you as a "Product" they treat you like a really great customer. You get all kinds of "Comped" and "Free" services. The stuff you do buy )Android, Google Apps for Business) are fairly open and allow you to take all your info with you if you leave and Google even shows you all the stuff they have on you and allows you to selectively delete the information or keep it as you see fit. Apple does everything it can to lock you in and lock you down. If anything Apple seems to see you as a slave that is lucky to be allowed to use their products at all. The info that they do collect on you and sell to third parties most people do not even know about. If you do know about it you are not allowed to see what they have on you and sell much less remove what you want from it. The only thing you can do is opt out if you were smart enough to read through their 90 page agreement (EULA / Disclaimer / Fuck you and the horse you rode in on ) is to opt completely out,

      Apple will never let you see what personal info about you they are selling. Google will not sell the info. They use it themselves to target the ads for companies. I know Google uses information to target ads to me. It is not hidden. Most people know this. We know it and can see it and can delete what we do not like. Apple people do not know and most will run around and tell me that Google is evil and selling all my info. (Google uses my info to target ads, Apple sells my info so others can do whatever.)

      Until you can see that Apple is as bad or worse than Google when it comes to the stewardship of your personal information then you have no business talking about it.

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    151. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Holy shit how clueless are you? They give you a free application BECAUSE you are the product. If you are getting it for free by fucking DEFINITION you are not their customer! We're talking business definitions and you are writing like you are in Jr High...

      Until you can see that Apple is as bad or worse than Google when it comes to the stewardship of your personal information then you have no business talking about it.

      I know this will make no difference, but: http://www.apple.com/privacy/

      Apple does not use your personal information or track your email content or web browsing to target ads. Their CEO has publicly stated it. Are you saying he's lying? Why would he, there is no upside and it would be trivially easy to prove him wrong if he lied.

      The info that they do collect on you and sell to third parties most people do not even know about.

      Citation? No, because there is none, Apple doesn't "sell your info", you are just making this shit up.

      Until you do the slightest amount of research into these things YOU have no business talking about it. All of your posts are either made up or quoted conventional trolls without a single actual verifiable fact to back them up.

    152. Re:Parallax. by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      So the fact that you can Opt out of the personalization of ads based on your private usage data. Apple states that by opting out your ads will be less relevant.

      You may see the same number of ads as before; however, they may be less relevant because they won't be based on your interests.

      oo.apple.com

      Also I never stated that you are not the product of Google. I did state that they do not treat you that way. Google treats me much better than Apple does. The fact that you need to yell about and cuss does not make your point suddenly more valid.

      You can visit the Apple site above. Then you can Opt out of their personalized ads and tracking.

      Then. You can state again how they do not personalize your ad content based on personal information.

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    153. Re:Parallax. by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't read your emails, messages, or web browsing. And you can opt out of the rest - very easily as you have just shown, thanks!

      Try to opt out of Google tracking. Mostly impossible, and where it is possible it's insanely confusing. Good luck...

      Not only that, when Apple added support to limit tracking from Safari, Google figured out a hack to bypass it that actually got them fined...

      In contrast, Apple has a Safari Privacy preference that by default blocks cookies "from third parties and advertisers," a setting that Google bypassed to collect data across the pages a user visited in order to serve more relevant ads, earning it a $22.5 million slap on the wrist it paid without admitting any wrongdoing.

      Apple responded to this by closing the loophole (access to UDID) and adding a specific "ad identifier" that you are free to disable or reset.

      You don't seem very technical. Have you ever developed any software, let alone Android or iOS apps? I'm guessing not, or you would already know these things...

    154. Re:Parallax. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Here. What happens when your device is too thin (portuguese)

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  2. and the line was? by marcello_dl · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Is that a camera protruding from your back or are you happy to see me?"

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    1. Re:and the line was? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      "Is that a camera protruding from your back or are you happy to see me?"

      I find the imagery in this joke rather... disturbing.

    2. Re:and the line was? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's an impressive 1mm camera.

    3. Re:and the line was? by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Sorry I haven't heard the original, Italians dub it better.

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  3. Ehhh, cases. by blueshift_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meh, most people will put a big, thick case on it and it won't even matter.

    1. Re:Ehhh, cases. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Exactly, I am not sure why Apple tries so hard to make their device so thin.
      Thin cost money, the more it cost the thicker case you will want to put on it to protect it.

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    2. Re:Ehhh, cases. by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My Nexus 5 is pretty thin. I don't use a case with it. The screen has not broken. I haven't gone out of my way to be especially careful with it, either.

      It's just not that damn hard to use a phone without breaking it, unless you're ridiculously careless.

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    3. Re:Ehhh, cases. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Exactly, I am not sure why Apple tries so hard to make their device so thin.

      So it's not the size of a ham sandwich by the time you put the case on. Slimmer phone = slimmer overall size when you slap a case on it.

    4. Re:Ehhh, cases. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      My Nexus 5 is pretty thin. I don't use a case with it. The screen has not broken. I haven't gone out of my way to be especially careful with it, either.

      It's just not that damn hard to use a phone without breaking it, unless you're ridiculously careless.

      Same with my Nexus 5. It's 1.5 mm thicker but that 1.5mm is just because of a larger battery that affords it 25% longer life to an Iphone 6.

      However thinness is pretty much all they have, the Nexus 5 we have has better specifications (higher res screen) or at worse, is the same as an Iphone 5 (both have 80211.ac). Lets ignore the Nexus 5 was released in October 2013.

      So I'm happy to let the Iphone have that one. It's thin. Enjoy your 1.5mm tiger.

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    5. Re:Ehhh, cases. by QuantumPion · · Score: 1

      The thinner you make the phone, the thinner it will be even with a case on. And since the camera has to have a cut-out for it anyway, it makes no difference unless you are using the phone without any case.

    6. Re:Ehhh, cases. by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      I wish all phone makers would reverse this trend some. I found with the thin phones, I need a case just so I can hold on to it without it sliding out of my hands. With making them thinner, all they are doing is trading battery life for marketing.

    7. Re:Ehhh, cases. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      So you're trolling? Cases protect the screen from scratches when you accidentally drop the phone, fragility has nothing to do with it.

  4. Re: [s]Parallax.[/s] Perspective by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're thinking of perspective - and you'd need a very odd angle and wide angle lens to hide it. Here's a more realistic side shot which is already fairly up close and wide angle:
    http://cdn1.mos.techradar.futu...

    I don't think most people are particularly going to care (unless the protrusion is likely to make the phone wobble when set down somewhere), but it's slightly humorous to see Apple editing it away / leaving that ring off for product shots / conveniently leaving it out of product renders.
    ( Or, if you're still convinced that they didn't edit it away, they at least went to the trouble of trying to hide it without making it seem like they're trying to hide it. )

  5. Re:Just wait by corychristison · · Score: 1

    Soon the Apple fans will come and show us all how some physics theory about light absorption when you point something at camera from the right angle will make the light bend just so slightly and cause an illusion that makes the phone appear to have no camera pointing out.

    Except that these are software renderings...

  6. Re:Just wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean parallel universe (the iUniverse)

  7. The protruding lens was a mistake by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know how their design people allowed a protruding lens in the first place. It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs. The protrusion is ugly, and it mars the flat, smooth design.

    And for what? Assuming that they can't make the camera any thinner, make the phone slightly fatter, and make use of the extra space. It's not as though the iPhone 5 was obscenely thick and needed to be made thinner. Hell, just fill the rest of the thing out with additional battery, and give us more battery life.

    1. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think only the 6+ has a protruding lens and that's only because it has image stabilization. I don't think the basic 6 lens protrudes. This was mentioned in the keynote....

    2. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by macs4all · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know how their design people allowed a protruding lens in the first place. It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs. The protrusion is ugly, and it mars the flat, smooth design.

      And for what? Assuming that they can't make the camera any thinner, make the phone slightly fatter, and make use of the extra space. It's not as though the iPhone 5 was obscenely thick and needed to be made thinner. Hell, just fill the rest of the thing out with additional battery, and give us more battery life.

      Well, you know what they say:

      "You can never be too rich, or too thin; or have too much protruding bulge..."

    3. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by meloneg · · Score: 2

      It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs.

      No the polka-dot hole case for the 5c was the first (overwhelming) evidence of what happens (this time) to Apple without Jobs.

    4. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2

      If they'd just made it as thick as the camera it still would have been thin enough and they may have been room to add a bit more battery juice.
      Classic crApple form over function BS.

    5. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think only the 6+ has a protruding lens and that's only because it has image stabilization. I don't think the basic 6 lens protrudes. This was mentioned in the keynote....

      LOL. How did this get modded up? It's bullshit. The iPhone 6 also has a protruding lens.

    6. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I think this is the only explanation that's needed, but people will write 500+ comments bitching about it, 250 flames from Fandroids and 250 Apple-cannot-do-wrong from Appleboys.

    7. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      And for what? Assuming that they can't make the camera any thinner, make the phone slightly fatter, and make use of the extra space. It's not as though the iPhone 5 was obscenely thick and needed to be made thinner. Hell, just fill the rest of the thing out with additional battery, and give us more battery life.

      Although I agree and would rather have the additional battery, most people put their phones in a case, which adds some thickness... The lens will protrude into the case cross-sectional region, allowing the overall phone+protruding-lens+case to be thinner than a thicker-phone+flat-lens+case.

    8. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      ...and the trash-can Mac Pro. And the useless watch.

    9. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Dins · · Score: 1

      I don't know how their design people allowed a protruding lens in the first place. It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs. The protrusion is ugly, and it mars the flat, smooth design.

      The 5th generation iPod Touch (most recent, I believe) has a protruding lens which sticks out about 1 mm also. That came out about 2 years ago, and I have one. The protrusion is just enough to be annoying if you don't use a case.

    10. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by hey! · · Score: 2

      I don't think you've really grasped Apple's design sensibility. Job one for the designers is to deliver a product that consumers want but can't get anywhere else.

      The "camera bulge" may be a huge blunder, or it may be just a tempest in a teapot. The real test will be the user's reactions when they hold the device in their hand, or see it in another user's hand. If the reaction is "I want it", the designers have done their job. If it's "Holy cow, look at that camera bulge," then it's a screw-up.

      The thinness thing hasn't been about practicality for a long, long time; certainly not since smartphones got thinner than 12mm or so. They always been practical things the could have given us other than thinness, but what they want you to do is pick up the phone and say, "Look how thin the made this!" The marketing value of that is that it signals that you've got the latest and greatest device. There's a limit of course, and maybe we're at it now. Otherwise we'll be carrying devices in ten years that look like big razor blades.

      At some point in your life you'll probably have seen so many latest and greatest things that having the latest and greatest isn't important to you any longer. That's when know you've aged out of the demographic designers care about.

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    11. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Maybe they can even hire back Michael Spindler.

      (is that a Newton in your pocket or . . .)

    12. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess it's not so bad if you assume that you're going to have a case, and that the case thickness will result in a flat back to the whole thing. I hadn't really thought of that.

      Still, I think it's a bad choice. It seems kind of dumb to design your product with the idea that the dumb design won't be quite so dumb if you also buy a case.

    13. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      When I first read the headline I thought it had a huge bulge ala Lumia or that Android phone (name escapes me). This looks like a small ring bezel.

      As for ugly design? I kind of welcome a small bump - I keep putting my finger over the lens (or very close to it causing a shadow) because I can't remember which corner the lens is in. Since it has a very wide angle view and rotates automatically - the way I hold it sometimes causes a shadow that I don't see until post editing (esp with video - I use two hands to stabilize the phone). I look like the Queen drinking tea with one pinky held out.

      Having a small but obvious bump would provide me some tactile feedback. Personally I'd like a slight hour-glass shape so I could tell up from down when pulling from my pocket (I have black on black and don't use a case). My Palm Pre had a rubber backside and a thinner bottom - so it was easy to align in my hand without looking.

      As for the ethics of making the models look thinner and prettier - that's a horse of a different color.

    14. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      After predicting the iPad was going to fizzle (heck, I predicted that this web thing would never get real popular), I'm reserving opinion on the watch.

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    15. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      My Lumia 1020 has one, I was wary at first, but honestly it's not a big deal at all. (Having one, that is. Lying about it on the website-- not good.)

      It also takes better pictures than my dedicated camera, which is only a few years old. I think it's worth the tradeoff.

    16. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Maybe if it were true, but it isn't. I don't see it making any difference to anybody though.

    17. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess it's not so bad if you assume that you're going to have a case, and that the case thickness will result in a flat back to the whole thing. I hadn't really thought of that.

      Still, I think it's a bad choice. It seems kind of dumb to design your product with the idea that the dumb design won't be quite so dumb if you also buy a case.

      Agreed. I never used a case with my iPhone, and a protruding lens would've been annoying and probably gotten caught on things on my pockets.

      ... but I do admit that I'm the only person I know of my friends who doesn't have a case on his phone.

    18. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Scot+Seese · · Score: 1

      So they had a choice:

      Make the phone the thickness of the camera module, adding another 300 mAH to the internal battery and pushing run time another 3 hours,

      - OR -

      Make the phone 1mm thinner, because in the Braun electric shaver inspired design world inhabited by Jony Ive, making a product 1mm thinner than last years' model automatically implies some kind of year 2635 level of futuristic improvement.

      Well, that and rounding the edges to match the design of a 4 year old iPod.

      The Footure!

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    19. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Make the phone the thickness of the camera module, adding another 300 mAH to the internal battery and pushing run time another 3 hours,

      That adds weight, too. The battery, according lasts well over a day, so not typically an issue, but the weight would always be there.
      I have no problem with the protruding lens (It's not their first, the iPod Touch has one), but I think it's shitty that they edit it out of the side-on views.

    20. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs.

      The iPod Touch, created under Jobs' reign, has a protruding lens. Can we stop with the "what would Jobs do" BS? He s dead, it's a different world, and it's a different marketplace.

    21. Re:The protruding lens was a mistake by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the puck mouse was such a great design, which Jobs was all over back in the day.

      The man was hardly infallible.

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  8. If Steve Jobs were alive he would have said by eladts · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're looking at it wrong!

  9. Apple Knows People Are Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple could literal curve their logo into a dried turd and people climb all over each other to buy it.

  10. So... you're saying... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    ...that they are holding it wrong?

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  11. real apples have curves! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This blatant image distortion by the cwhoreporate media gives young apples an unrealistic body image. We can stamp out this misfructopy in our generation! Sign the petition!

  12. Re:Fuck you Apple and iDiot phones you prooduce by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Fuck you Apple and iDiot phones you prooduce

    You mean like that new HTC phone with the CURVED BACK?!?

  13. Holding it wrong still applies. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Photos are taken from a wrong angle due to someone holding the phone wrong.

    After all... It's the word of Steve. A known benefactor of humanity, through past and future incarnations as an Earth Sprite.

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  14. Re:Fuck you Apple and iDiot phones you prooduce by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    You know who likes that new HTC phone? The Hunchback of Notre-Dame.

  15. False advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If they are photoshopping the Iphone image to make it look like there is no bulge when in fact there is one that seems like a deceptive trade practice to me.

  16. Depends. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?

    Does it have a watermark?

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  17. Steve Jobs Echo Syndrome by spankey51 · · Score: 1

    They're trying to hold onto all those little details that Jobs insisted on through the design and marketing of his babies. Without his vision, they're just a headless giant wandering around, trying to piece together their origins, refusing to progress into territory that seems in any way distant from the shadows cast by the deeper artistic vision that cannot be conveyed or captured. Expect lots of this sort of thing.

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  18. "Cameragate" by ourlovecanlastforeve · · Score: 1

    In before "cameragate".

  19. Well.... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, the "bulge" is clearly photoshopped out. I can only suspect the reason is that they want to show that the rest of the phone...the 95+% of the surface area is the stated thickness. During the keynote, the "bulge" was discussed. They could have shown the whole side view and position arrows or other marks to indicate the thickness. But, frankly, that would have been ugly, wouldn't it? Certainly, not Apple's way.

    Now, iPhone / Apple fans aren't going to care that Apple marketers took this liberty with the images - they are going to buy it regardless.

    Only those who want to find fault with Apple, for whatever reason, give a rat's ass that Apple might engage as something so underhanded as to photoshop out the "bulge" to clarify their marketing point.

    What IS more interesting is how much attention Android fans are giving to something which they claim no interest in owning.

    Now, I will digress.

    Nobody (except true Fanbois) on the Apple side argues that Android phones might have had some features that found their way into Samsung and other Android phones first (i.e NFC, Google Wallet, etc). But, it took a company, like Apple, with the marketing clout and financial resources to get buy-in for actually using those features (such as NFC through Apple Pay). Apple only introduces features into their products for which they believe there to be a market or to remain relevant in a market. And, if a market doesn't yet exist, they know how to create it and they make it appear easy to use - as only Apple can.

    The addition of NFC, for example, was probably done because they could now make it useful (vs "bumping" phones to transfer video..big whoop) by tackling mobile payments. Apple Pay addresses the process by never sharing credit card data, having unique, one-time, transaction number, and the ability to use a fingerprint to authenticate in a fraction of second. Well, those are the claims, anyway. They managed to get the major banks and store brands to jump on the bandwagon. And, in doing so, it appears Apple may have succeeded where Google and Samsung could not even with their more "technologically" advanced hardware and software solutions. Usability is the key to public acceptance - not technology. And, they seized upon the opportunity posed by "hackers" breaking in and stealing credit card data from major outlets to gain appeal for their solution.

    Now, what remains to be seen is whether Apple allows others to play in the Apple Pay sandbox or not. If they don't, they might successfully corner the phone market for the average person with Apple Pay and an iPhone 6C provided the POS vendors elect not to integrate other mobile payment schemes into their terminals.

    1. Re:Well.... by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now, iPhone / Apple fans aren't going to care that Apple marketers took this liberty with the images - they are going to buy it regardless.

      Only those who want to find fault with Apple, for whatever reason, give a rat's ass that Apple might engage as something so underhanded as to photoshop out the "bulge" to clarify their marketing point.

      What IS more interesting is how much attention Android fans are giving to something which they claim no interest in owning.

      Personally, I don't care about it. The only issue I have with it is that in the past, Apple fans have criticized my Android phone for having a protruding camera lens. Now when the iPhone has the same, suddenly it doesn't matter to them?

      See, that's the difference. You think it's about the device. It's not. It's about consistency, honesty, and hypocrisy. Same reason people were upset Apple photoshopped images of the Galaxy Tab to make it more like an iPad in the German court documents.

    2. Re:Well.... by BoberFett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, well iPhone fans used to mock large screen Android devices. "That huge screen is too big, the iPhone 4 has the ideal screen size." Until the 5 shipped, at which point that had the perfect screen size.

      There's simple no reasoning with enthralled fanatics.

    3. Re:Well.... by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      Now, what remains to be seen is whether Apple allows others to play in the Apple Pay sandbox or not. If they don't, they might successfully corner the phone market for the average person with Apple Pay and an iPhone 6C provided the POS vendors elect not to integrate other mobile payment schemes into their terminals.

      It will be interesting to see if even Apple is able to change user habits. Visa and Mastercard might have signed on, but that's not important. Retailer support is the critical factor. Even though Apple has signed up "200,000 retail locations" including "Bloomingdale’s, McDonald’s, Subway, Walgreens, and Apple Stores", and users and use Apple Pay "inside a store’s mobile apps, such as Target’s or Starbucks’", I'm guessing the number of retailers is a very small percentage of potential retailers and a small percentage of a typical user's purchases. If that's the case, then it's very likely that there are almost no people who can use Apple Pay exclusively without continuing to carry traditional credit cards. And if I'm carrying a credit card anyway, what's the point of Apple Pay? Yes, I whip out my phone instead of my wallet and credit card, but is that an improvement in my life?

    4. Re:Well.... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't care about it. The only issue I have with it is that in the past, Apple fans have criticized my Android phone for having a protruding camera lens. Now when the iPhone has the same, suddenly it doesn't matter to them?

      Don't worry about the Apple fans (which are generally not representative of the majority of Apple device users), they will parrot whatever Apple says and then attempt to find ways to rationalize every single thing Apple does.

      They parroted that 3.5" was the perfect screen size, then 4" and now they've been abandoned for phablets and the fans will praise it. They parroted that 7" tablets were pointless as they were too small, then came the iPad Mini. The iPhone 4 didn't have antenna problems because Apple fans spewed anecdotal evidence to the contrary. They'll pretend they can't tell the difference between a Galaxy and an iPhone on one hand then tell you all about the superiority of the iPhone's design and build quality on the other. Now they'll tell you Apple cocked up its marketing shot and the whole thing was an accident related to a problem with the perspective of the shot they took.

      Yes they exist (many of them on this website) but don't worry about them, they aren't the majority and they will justify it to themselves however they need to, regardless of reality you won't convince them otherwise so it's pointless to try.

    5. Re:Well.... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      Just like the Gold iPhone and the new Gold Samsung S5(?)...when the other has it, it's stupid. But, damn, everybody wants it just the same don't they?

      You aren't going to reason with a Fanboi or FANdroid - they both are set in their ways.

      If people want to critize your Android phone for having a camera lens and are trolls, does it make sense to act the same way? Take the high road.

      These are merely phones...nothing more. You pick what you like. If you want a camera that looks like the main weapon on a Dalek, that's your prerogative. Maybe, you can make it work and dispose of those who don't like your choice.

    6. Re:Well.... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      "Visa and Mastercard might have signed on, but that's not important. Retailer support is the critical factor. "

      Having Visa and Mastercard sign on is a VERY BIG deal in obtaining retailer support. In order to use their services, you have to use approved terminals which they often provide or dictate the requirements of said terminals. If they providing or requiring Apple Pay capable terminals, the technology will penetrate the retail market quickly. Retailers will have little recourse if people demand mobile payments. With larger stores chains in the mix, the tech will be ubiquitous fairly quickly. I expect we will see vendors like Square adopt this tech pretty quickly so they can stay relevant. The Square device, for example, was free (or was it $10) for those that signed up with their service for those that wanted to accept cards.

      Whether Google Wallet or PayPal can get in the mix, we'll see. Choice would be nice. However, I think we will see Apple Pay be the dominant tech in this industry. What is unclear is if the special chip Apple developed is a requirement or a nice-to-have and other vendors are free to implement in software or their own custom chip.

    7. Re:Well.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is that it's right when Apple does it. Features are pointless and never work until Apple does them. Essentially, only Apple can advance smartphone technology and any mistakes or lies should be forgiven because, well, it's Apple and we should be thankful.

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    8. Re: Well.... by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      Getting Visa and MasterCard to agree to process transactions is a necessary first step but doesn't mean much by itself. Banks don't give out readers for free. That upfront and monthly cost will be hard for many small retailers and may not be worthwhile even for larger stores. The only game changer is if Apple can somehow get the banks to subsidize the cost of the readers. Apple got the cell phone carriers to agree to this subsidy, but I imagine the banks will be a harder sell. It remains to be seen if the retailers will feel the need to swallow the monthly and per-transaction costs to the banks plus to Apple. Small retailers and restaurants already complain about paying the bank tax. Would they agree to another tax? Would there be any benefit for the stores? Would iPhone users actually avoid a store just because it didn't have an Apple Pay reader, especially given that they could always just pay with a credit card add they have always done?

    9. Re:Well.... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      I'm an iPhone owner who's currently dithering over whether to go to a 5S for pocketability and a bit of spare change for a nice case or the 6 for the technological improvements, but thanks for playing "guess the motives". ;)

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    10. Re:Well.... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      From the Point of Sale systems, it's the same exact technology used for NFC payments, which is used by NFC enabled cards and Google Wallet.

      All those retailers that support Apple Pay, identically support NFC enabled cards and Google Wallet.

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    11. Re:Well.... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see if even Apple is able to change user habits. Visa and Mastercard might have signed on, but that's not important. Retailer support is the critical factor.

      You clearly don't know the first thing about accepting credit and debit cards. Without the payment networks, NOTHING happens at point-of-sale.

      Retail lives and dies by the Payment Card Industry standards and audits. Without Visa / MC / Discover / Amex, you are a cash-only business. Period.

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    12. Re:Well.... by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see if even Apple is able to change user habits. Visa and Mastercard might have signed on, but that's not important. Retailer support is the critical factor.

      You clearly don't know the first thing about accepting credit and debit cards. Without the payment networks, NOTHING happens at point-of-sale.

      Retail lives and dies by the Payment Card Industry standards and audits. Without Visa / MC / Discover / Amex, you are a cash-only business. Period.

      I'm probably more ignorant that you realize, but that's beside the point. Visa/Mastercard support is necessary but not sufficient. The historical challenge for electronic but non-credit card systems has been placing readers at the point of sale locations. Without those readers, Apple Pay is useless. Someone has to pay for those readers. The stores don't want to do it unless they are convinced they can recover the cost.

      If Apple can get either the stores or the banks to pass for the readers, then I will admit that Apple is an amazing magician. With the iPhone, Apple convinced AT&T et al. to subsidize the phones because the carriers were guaranteed to recover their investment through contracts with early termination fees. iPads don't come with such subsidies and are not as profitable for Apple. With Apple Pay, unless Apple swallows the cost of the readers, how will they convince the stores or banks for pay for the infrastructure without any guarantee of coming out ahead?

    13. Re:Well.... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      The stores are changing out the PIN pads because if they don't have equipment that can read "chip and PIN" cards next year, the liability for payment card fraud shifts to them instead of the banks.

      If you're already replacing the equipment to deal with the new version of the payment cards, might as well add the NFC module necessary to support RFID cards and Google Wallet / Apple Pay at the same time - the major expense isn't with the equipment, it's to get the technician out there to actually do the install.

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  20. A protruding camera? Srsly? by stevez67 · · Score: 2

    If the biggest concern is a picture in marketing materials has been altered, people are grasping at straws for drama. After all no one in marketing alters pictures of actors, actresses, models, cars, motorcycles, musical instruments, etc etc etc (your sarcasm alarms should be going off now).

    1. Re:A protruding camera? Srsly? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right that those things are detestable. I have no meaningful input to this discussion other than that I hate how marketing consistently misleads people.

      I don't care if that comes out pro-apple or anti-apple, but modern marketing is ethically wrong.

    2. Re:A protruding camera? Srsly? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      And they often pay the price for it in court. (fraud and false advertising)

  21. Re:Just wait by praxis · · Score: 1

    The subject of the photograph does not have zero thickness. The camera focal point could be along the plane of the front of the subject, which would make it *not* along the plane of the rear of the phone.

    Imagine I am standing long the plane of the front of a building, am I also standing along the plan of the rear of a building? Am I looking at the building at a flat 90 (whatever that means)?

  22. Don't worry guys by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Tomorrow, Apple will be posting a tool to put back the camera in the images of your browser cache.

  23. Take a look at http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it's a huge cover up, that's why there's a picture on http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/ that blatenly shows that yes the camera does slightly protrude. Who gives a fuck?

  24. Re:Just wait by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    You didn't think the reality distortion field was just a figure of speech, did you? It's been the primary subject of research for Apple to try and reform the Beatles since their revenues fell so heavily when they split up. (The whole Apple suing Apple thing was just a smokescreen, man).

  25. Re:Where are the links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "theverge" is not a hater site.

    "nothing to support the theory": aren't the photos good enough to support the claim? You want links to Apple's site? Here: http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/ see for yourself. Check the photos under "iPhone at its largest. And thinnest."

    Either you are blind or an Apple fanboi. So stop flaming slashdot.

  26. In for a penny... by wassomeyob · · Score: 1
  27. Re:Where are the links? by frnic · · Score: 1

    Thank you for there link, I followed it and found none of the "edited" photos you claim are there. I found ONE photo that showed the iPhone from an angle that showed the camera bulge and the bulge was there...

    So, flaming slashdot - what a concept - lol... I am sure all the hate posted here is legitimate and justified. I see you are proud enough of your comment to stand behind it and not post anonymously - oh wait... I will stand behind my years posting here and my reputation and not hide behind "Anonymous Coward"...

  28. It worked once... by Forthan+Red · · Score: 1

    Maybe they should have tried hiding it behind a pencil.

  29. Silly design decision by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone know of any iPhone 5/5S users who complained that their phone was too thick?

    I see no reason why Apple felt it necessary to slim the device down even more - when they could have just had the same thickness as the 5/5S resulting in no silly bulge for the camera.

    Plus, they could have put a bigger battery in the case and maybe get an hour or so extra time out of the thing. Which I can imagine would be a lot more useful than shaving a couple mm off an already perfectly slim enough phone.

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    1. Re:Silly design decision by sysrammer · · Score: 2

      1 Make thin, fragile thing thinner.
      2 Make it even easier to put it where high-tech, fragile things shouldn't go.
      3 Marketing blitz.
      4 Youthful customers with few responsibilities snap it up.
      5 Fragile item is indeed placed in an untenable position.
      6 Fragile thing is broken, necessitating a replacement purchase.
      7 Profit.

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    2. Re:Silly design decision by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Phones have big screens now, so they need armor anyway. So since you're going to put armor on the phone, you want the phone to get thinner, so that the phone with a case on it is still thin. Just making the phone thin allows the user to put whichever case on it they like, so they get to personalize their phone and you don't have to try to anticipate their needs, instead letting the whole world do that. And that's why having the camera really doesn't matter. In fact, having the bezel around it protrude from the camera probably helps protect that side from scratches. What's the problem, planned to slot-load the phone?

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    3. Re:Silly design decision by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Now at least they have a new feature to talk about: the thinness of the device. Something to make a difference with the existing models.

    4. Re:Silly design decision by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 1

      I see no reason why Apple felt it necessary to slim the device down even more - when they could have just had the same thickness as the 5/5S resulting in no silly bulge for the camera.

      Plus, they could have put a bigger battery in the case and maybe get an hour or so extra time out of the thing. Which I can imagine would be a lot more useful than shaving a couple mm off an already perfectly slim enough phone.

      Did you consider weight ? The iPhone 5s weights 112 grams, versus 129 grams for the iPhone 6. Apple certainly didn't want to make it heavier. And I don't even mention the monstrous iPhone 6 Plus...

      I am very happy with my iPhone 5s. My ideal phone would be a 5s with NFC.

    5. Re:Silly design decision by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      One of the great advantages of a larger phone is that you get a proportional increase in volume for the battery without needing to worry about thickness; the 6 is 38% larger in area which offsets a 12.5% reduction in thickness from 8mm to 7mm. By all accounts the iPhone 6 lasts a day and a half, and the 6S two days, which is par for the course in large phones but very impressive for an iPhone.

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  30. Well.... by Meeni · · Score: 1

    What you call "claryfying their marketing point" I call false advertisement. As your second point about Android people, first that's not true (I for one is an Apple customer on other products), and second, if you let a bad apple (haha) in the basket, you know what happens. If Apple can play false advertisement without retorsion, other companies will follow to remain relevant, and before we know it, all advertisements will be smoke and mirrors and full of lies, including those for non-Apple devices, and it would have started by letting one company get away with it. Wether you care about buying the device or not is irrelevant about the legitimacy of pointing that the ad is fake, as this is relevant for the health of the whole industry.

  31. Where are the links? by tofustew · · Score: 1

    I went to Apples site and looked around - there were no side views to be seen - hmm.

    http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/design/

    I don't have an opinion on the protruding lens, but enough with the typical Slashdot attitude. Jeez.

  32. it's simple math, similar triangles by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the smaller phone (iPhone 6) the lens is 50mm from the far (button) edge of the phone and protrudes 0.8mm. The phone is 7mm thick.

    Thus there is a triangle formed on the top of the phone which is 0.8mm tall and 50mm base. Now, if you make the triangle 7.8mm tall you form a triangle with the front plane of the phone, a triangle with a base (7.8/0.8)*50 of 487mm.

    So if you take the picture from less than 487mm away (half a meter) you can take a picture which doesn't show the camera and doesn't show the face of the phone (thus is "edge on") without using any photoshop trickery. The phone body will simply block the camera from view.

    And that's surely what Apple did. It's not hard to do.

    Also note: you don't have one, troll. It doesn't come out for a couple more days.

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  33. Re:Where are the links? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    Artistic license or great Conspiracy? It is a sort of mixed message isn't it. The "from the side" images don't show this bezel protruding - along with an "artistic" shadow.

    As for the other images - they all clearly show the camera bezel. https://www.apple.com/iphone-6... This isn't like it's a great selling feature - meaning - is it material or just marketing?

    Scroll down to the "Streamlined: inside and out" and "Elements of Design" and you'll clearly see the camera "protruding."

    It's quite possible that the side view looked "strange" with a little hair-thin spec that was removed "for clarity." Kind of like cereal "enlarged to show texture" (or make you hungry) ?

    Gosh - having a phone so large it requires an external monitor you wear on your wrist? Or a thin bezel sticking out from the back? Oh the horror.

  34. Unsightly Bulge? by PPH · · Score: 1

    In my day, we called them codpieces.

    Now get off my lawn, peasant!

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  35. Re:Where are the links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From Apple's page at http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/:
    http://images.apple.com/iphone-6/overview/images/design_details_right_large.jpg
    The perfectly orthogonal side view shows no camera protusions whatsoever.

  36. Re:Where are the links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://images.apple.com/iphone-6/overview/images/design_details_right_large.jpg

    Looks like Apple's site to me.

  37. Steve Jobs would never have allowed a bulge by unencode200x · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs would never have allowed the bulge. He micro-manged everything down to, literally, the millimeter. He would not like the way it looks, feels in your hand, and has no tactile usefulness. Although, perhaps it could be argued that it would help people not cover the lens with their finger.

    A group of us asked a waiter who was about 60 years old to take a picture of us the other day with my iPhone. He struggled with it for minutes and kept putting his finger over the lens. I tried to help him but finally gave up. Got some great pics of his finger though :/

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  38. Re:Where are the links? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    I went to Apples site and looked around - there were no side views to be seen - hmm.

    Lying, totally inept, actually blind and visiting Apple's website in a text only browser, or trolling.

    Your pick.

  39. Re:Was modded up for truth by exomondo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The six has a flat back, Mr. Always Corrected.

    No it doesn't, not according to Apple's website - see the bit where they compare thickness - the smaller 6 clearly has the protruding lens. Also you can quite clearly see it in engadget's hands on video.

  40. Re:Where are the links? by CanadianRealist · · Score: 1
    frnic:

    I went to Apples site and looked around - there were no side views to be seen - hmm.

    AC points out that there is a side view and provides a link. frnic:

    I followed it and found none of the "edited" photos you claim are there. I found ONE photo that showed the iPhone from an angle that showed the camera bulge and the bulge was there...

    Your original claim was that there was no view from the side. There clearly is. So it sounds like you are accusing someone of having created fake photos, rather than showing photos from the Apple site.

    The camera bulge is not visible in that photo. Maybe, as some suggest, the angle is such that the lens is not visible. Or maybe the photo was edited. But you were trying to deny that there were any photos from the side - the AC pointed out that there is, it's the fourth image on the page. That's true whether coming from an AC or a logged in user.

    I don't see anywhere in the AC's post where he says the photos were edited. Nor did he claim that there were no photos in which the bulge is visible. So one can at least wonder if that photo was edited. You were trying to claim there was no photo to wonder about.

  41. Why does it matter? by mapuche · · Score: 1

    99% of iPhone users buy a case for their thin devices.

    1. Re:Why does it matter? by Elbart · · Score: 1

      Isn't this like putting the Mona Lisa in a case?

  42. So this is what /. has become? by rindeee · · Score: 1

    I've been away for a while. I'll be honest...I left. I needed a break after /. started going down-hill. I picked a heck of a time to come back. This is neither "news for nerds" nor "stuff that matters". This is a pathetic ad placement that is obviously a revenue generator for /.'s parent company. In going back over a great many historical articles, I see nothing better. I'm done. I wish /. provided a means to delete an account so I could disassociate completely.

    1. Re:So this is what /. has become? by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Right click on slashdot's little picture in your browser shortcuts and choose delete. bye bye.

  43. Re:Where are the links? by wickerprints · · Score: 1

    It especially doesn't make sense in light of the fact that there are numerous images of the iPhone that show the camera, and in each one, it is obvious that the camera protrudes. So, why go through the effort to hide it?

  44. Where are the links? by semiotec · · Score: 1

    I realize this is slashdot and all that shit, and that it is a requirement for members here to make unqualified blanket generalising comments.

    I see some posts here talking about holding their non-Apple phones with a camera bulge and it shows or doesn't show the bulge, and I see one post that talks about seeing the bulge in his iPhone 6, and where he also explains why he has an iphone 6 (http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5713131&cid=47921957). There are probably more posts either way, but I couldn't be bothered to look for more.

    I went to Apple's site and saw the side view photo on the page about iPhone 6 (it's the 5th photo). And here is a linked to that image, clearly hosted on Apple.com (https://www.apple.com/iphone-6/overview/images/design_details_right_large.jpg). Although it looks like it may be a render, rather than an actual photo.

    So, it's the typical Slashdot bullshit - pile on the pseudo-skepticism, and doesn't bother to make any decent effort for fact checking.

    Claiming that it's typical for Slashdot to hate Apple is a very standard straw man argument that was probably designed to 1) represent yourself as the voice-of-reason amongst the biased haters, 2) represent yourself as the plucky underdog, fighting against the uneducated masses, 3) rally together the Apple lovers, fighting for a common cause. Either way, it doesn't pan out. There are a lot of commentors on slashdot, plenty of them like Apple just fine, and plenty hate Apple like the plague, and even more just don't give a shit one way or the other. So please just drop that bullshit, I've seen this argument too often both for and against Apple.

    You should be ashamed, given that you have such a low UID.

  45. Re:Where are the links? by semiotec · · Score: 2
    https://www.apple.com/iphone-6...

    Do you rate Apple.com as one of those "rumor mills and third party sites"?

  46. Re:Where are the links? by semiotec · · Score: 2
    Come on!

    You seriously don't see any side view images of the iPhone?

    Counting by images, the 2nd, 5th and 7th iPhone images on http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/... are all side views!

    Please try harder!

  47. Here is PROOF it is NOT parallax by ayesnymous · · Score: 1
  48. What is all the FUSS about? by lucm · · Score: 1

    Gee-Noo is pretty bad, but I've heard worse:

    -Lunix
    -MySqueal
    -System VI (talking about the text editor)
    -Batch script (instead of Bash script)

    I often hear Genome also but that one I like, I think that's how everyone should say it. Gnome sounds like someone sneezing.

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  49. Re:And when it's in a case... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    You people do realize that by the time you put the phone in a case, there will be no camera bulge

    The iPhone users in my office don't use cases.

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  50. Re:And when it's in a case... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    The truly affluent don't fatten their devices up with 'cases' because they're going to replace it before it matters. Cases are fashion, and for the kind of fuck who spins off into a rage when someone scratches the fender on the car he's leasing.

  51. Re:Welcome to the world of "YOU FAIL", loser by Khyber · · Score: 1

    You annihilated nobody.

    By the way, I know your address. Expect a few 'well-being' check ups, if not a visit from myself, personally, with the white coats in tow.

    So 'secure' in your HOSTS that you forget that your personal info, which can do a lot more damage, is already out on the net thanks to people you've pissed off.

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  52. Re:No you don't. Saw your post history by Khyber · · Score: 1

    No, he didn't show shit. He posted nonsense without any backing links. He deliberately went off-topic to keep talking.

    He's not going to be talking for much longer. People he's pissed off have his info, I have it now.

    Do I dox or do I take care of business myself?

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  53. Re:Another Apple mind @#$% by messymerry · · Score: 1

    Like all the rest of the modern corporate scum, AAPL refers to us as "consumers". What a filthy word. The decline in the U.S. standard of living parallels the use of that word... OBTW: Mozilla is changing the name of FireFox. They are going to call it StinkyPig. ;-D

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  54. Apple lying in marketing? by kuzb · · Score: 1

    That's not news, that's just par for the course.

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  55. Re:Where are the links? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Every photo on that link that even would remotely have aspect on the camera, shows the "bulge".

    And we're talking about 0.8mm here, which is absolutely retarded anyway.

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  56. Re: Fuck you Apple and iDiot phones you prooduce by macs4all · · Score: 1

    A curved back makes complete sense in a phone because it's easier to hold and less likely for you to drop it. That's why almost every single mobile phone ever made up to Android/iPhone had them.

    You may like them, but the feeling is far from universal.

  57. Mirror, mirror on the wall.. by DataRecoverer · · Score: 1

    Back in September 2011, Macworld UK reported that the "iPhone_4_is_the_world's_thinnest_phone,_not_the_Samsung_Galaxy_S_II".
    That was because Apple obtained an adjudication_from_the_UK's_Advertising_Standards_Authority that Samsung cannot claim their Galaxy S II (thickness 8.71mm) to be the "slimmest smartphone in the world" and that the iPhone 4 (thickness 9.3mm) should have that exclusive honor as the Galaxy S II has a bulge at the camera that reaches 9.91mm !!!
    So, the iPhone 4 Remained_The_Thinnest_Phone_In_The_World and kept being lauded for it..
    You're not going to let such a great record be marred by a tiny protrusion now, are you? You're just looking at it wrong..
    iPhones are best!.. Just ask Apple!

  58. Bulge of the phone by lbanting · · Score: 1

    Your holding and looking at it wrong!