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Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Premieres On Linux, 2 Years After Windows

An anonymous reader writes Counter-Strike: Global Offensive has finally been released for Linux two years after its Windows debut. The game is reported to work even on the open-source Intel Linux graphics drivers, but your mileage may vary. When it comes to the AMD and NVIDIA drivers, NVIDIA continues dominating for Linux gaming over AMD with Catalyst where there's still performance levels and other OpenGL issues.

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  1. TF2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lately I've been addicted to Team Fortress 2.

    Runs *flawlessly* native under Linux. Fastest load times compared to windows.

    Such a blast.

    1. Re:TF2 by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      Lately I've been addicted to Team Fortress 2.

      Runs *flawlessly* native under Linux. Fastest load times compared to windows.

      Such a blast.

      Conga Fortress 2 for the win!

      Anyway, back on topic... I do wonder if Valve will rename half the server .so files like they did for HL2:DM, DoD:S, CS:S, TF2, and L4D2. It tends to break server addons when they do that, and the only reason to do it because they link the server binaries against older GLIBC versions.

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    2. Re:TF2 by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      On my last AMD box running Windows 7, Team Fortress 2 would load within 10 seconds... How much time do you need to save?

    3. Re:TF2 by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Like a Linux zealot would ever state that Linux systems has any flaws to begin with.

      Linux is better then any OS in every way. In the ways it isn't it is because those are the features you don't need (until it gets them)

      You could say the same about Mac Fanboys or Windows Cheerleaders.

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    4. Re:TF2 by Dega704 · · Score: 1

      The problem I had with running TF2 on Windows is that the game files would fragment quickly, forcing me to defrag every week or two to keep it running smoothly. Hence why I was ecstatic when it was ported to Linux. I suppose it's a moot point if you are using an SSD, but just for the record. When using HDDs I have always spent a lot less time listening to the thing crank away on Linux than on Windows.

    5. Re:TF2 by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      You had bad fragmentation on Windows 7 using NTFS?

    6. Re:TF2 by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      Not sure if fragmentation is a problem any more with Steampipe. GCF files are not used any more. I don't know how VPK files store their contents.

    7. Re:TF2 by Dega704 · · Score: 1

      Very bad. Every time the game updated it would get worse. I hope ReFS is going to be available on Windows 9. NTFS was great ten years ago but it is really starting to show it's age.

    8. Re:TF2 by Lotana · · Score: 1

      Like a Linux zealot would ever state that Linux systems has any flaws to begin with.

      Grab popcorn, go to one of the systemd-related stories and watch them tear each other to pieces.

      Who said /. is not entertaining?

    9. Re:TF2 by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      If it skips Windows 9 I'm sure the next OS will have it. Only makes sense.

  2. Awesome by Agares · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is great to see Linux gaining more traction when it comes to gaming. The number of games on steam that support Linux are getting quite numerous. Maybe we will eventually see Linux used as much as Windows for gaming in the future.

    1. Re: Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're absolutely right.

      Linux gaming cannot truly thrive until we can use EA's Origin as a platform.

    2. Re:Awesome by theslof · · Score: 4, Informative

      Many of the games that are ported to Linux can be found DRM free onb other sites, like Desura, GOG and the Humble Bundle store. Most games are on Steam since that's the best way to get sales on PC.

    3. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It had Minecraft before Microsoft got it on the Xbox. Related: Microsoft now maintains Linux games.

    4. Re:Awesome by Agares · · Score: 1

      You don't have too, and some of us don't mind using steam.

    5. Re:Awesome by RenderSeven · · Score: 4, Informative

      Related: Microsoft now maintains Linux games.

      That remains to be seen, actually...

    6. Re:Awesome by click2005 · · Score: 2

      That could change. Microsoft has shown time and again that they don't care about PC gaming. To Microsoft, DirectX is a tool to persuade customers to upgrade Windows & hardware when its rarely needed these days. Thanks to the newest consoles, PC gaming will be mostly stuck at 1080p on a mid range gaming PC for the next 5 years. Sure they'll support higher resolutions but with TV screen FOVs & UIs.

      Steam as DRM is as effective on Linux as it is on Windows and most games companies have realized that 'tied to an online account' is about as much DRM as most people will tolerate.

      With the platforms being so similar it should be easier to port games these days. If they're smart they'll write as much code as possible to be portable to between XB1 & PS4. Porting code to Linux should be much easier now that the PS4 is an x64 CPU running a FreeBSD derived OS. It wouldn't surprise me if games start to be released on PS4 & Linux but not on Windows.

      I'd love AMD to release a Mantle PS4 API for Linux.

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    7. Re:Awesome by Wootery · · Score: 1

      No, you certainly do have to. Steam is a DRM system as well as a distribution system.

    8. Re:Awesome by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Humble Bundle is weird : their stuff is time limited in when you can actually buy them. When the bundle trickles down to Slashdot and then to me finally deciding to look it up, it's ended.

      Quick look at GOG Linux section : half what I'm seeing is DOS games. Not native ports :). DOS games can be very demanding (still has to run 640x480 3D games as fast as a 16-year-old PC, maybe a recent 3.x GHz Intel CPU achieves that)
      Steam is half decent because you can somehow trust the game to work at all. Though even then you can run into the issue of graphics card too old, unsupported. Mine supports all of DirectX 9c but not all of OpenGL 2.x ; I switched to the open source driver too which doesn't make things better. And really it's a pain to buy a game and have it not working, even though it was a few euros. It's a DRM dystopia lol. But games that don't care about the DRM can be run from the Steam directory, which I've done from command line a handful or less times.

      It's also a pain to buy a game, run it once and never play it again.
      We had it better in the 90s, with paper magazines to know about the games and their worth, demos and shareware to try them out.

    9. Re:Awesome by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Steam is better used as a single purpose application. It's a launcher and updater for Counter Strike.

      I heard that CS : GO is a crap version with restrictive modes and some console-like bullshit implement to catter to 12-year-old kids who learned to play on CoD and such, plus it's probably too demanding for most linux desktops. So stick to CS 1.6 which is actually worth playing.

    10. Re:Awesome by click2005 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say gaming Windows PCs was dead, just that to Microsoft it is. The only thing the new consoles (& Steam) might have killed is PC gaming's dependence on Windows but its still far too early to tell.

      Consoles don't have the upper hand technologically even now except maybe over PC World style 'home computers'.

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    11. Re:Awesome by Agares · · Score: 1

      What I meant was that you do not have to use steam if you choose. There are ways to get games that are DRM free.

    12. Re:Awesome by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Of course there exist other games which are not DRM encumbered, but that's not what You don't have to means, in that context. Don't move the goalposts.

      You have to use Steam for games which

      1. 1) Are only made available through Steam
      2. 2) Depend on the Steam runtime for play, for DRM and/or multiplayer matchmaking etc
    13. Re:Awesome by Agares · · Score: 1

      Ok you are obviously just being a troll now. I am willing to admit that I typed one thing while thinkiing another, I made a mistake it happens get over it. You already know what I actually meant so with that I am done.

  3. OpenGL issues by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What OpenGL issues, exactly? The only ones I've had recently are with some nvidia-specific stuff for surface mapping, but that was in a coding demo. For the actual games, modern AMD/Radeon drivers seem to do just fine, and are actually sometimes less of a pain than the nVidia ones for installation.

  4. Re: by kurkosdr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, if you want to really take advantage of the hardware you 've paid for, you 've got to go Nvidia. All the others are basically frauds when it comes to Linux support. So, why so much Nvidia hate in the community? Isn't having a Linux system that's 99.9% open-source and has killer graphics better than having a system that's 100% open-source but doesn't allow you to take advantage of the GPU hardware?

  5. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    For many people here open source is an important ethical decision, and a GPU driver is kind of a core component for an operating system.

  6. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those people need to get laid.

  7. Re:Beta by VGPowerlord · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bugs can be reported here.

    You'd better hope that Valve pays more attention to it than the Source-1-Games bug tracker, which is basically ignored at this point.

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  8. Re:Counter-Strike Global Offensive Premieres On Li by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

    Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Premieres On Linux, 2 Years After Windows

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    ...and you should check a dictionary instead of an encyclopedia.

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  9. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since you're offering, bend over.

  10. How many players online? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 1

    Considering it's multiplayer, it's important to consider how many people actually buy this, instead of just bragging about "Linux on the Desktop."

    Methinks Linux gaming is pretty niche at the moment, so any multiplayer game wouldn't benefit much from going Linux, unless there's cross-platform integration.

    1. Re:How many players online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obviously you can play against windows users when you're on linux. That goes without saying.

    2. Re:How many players online? by armanox · · Score: 1

      It widens their audience. PC gaming covers anyone on a desktop/laptop running an Intel based processor, so adding Linux to the supported list adds them into the same crowds as the OS X and Windows gamers (and they play each other online, no division of platform there).

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  11. FINALLY! by tlambert · · Score: 3, Funny

    FINALLY!

    It's the "two years later" of the Linux desktop!

    1. Re:FINALLY! by fa2k · · Score: 1

      I don't usually do this, but ..

      This!

  12. Re:Counter-Strike Global Offensive Premieres On Li by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    It's still the same description:

    premiere noun \same as 1premiere\
    : the first time a film, play, television show, etc., is shown or performed

    It premiered TWO YEARS AGO on Windows.

  13. Re:Sounds about right by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    2 to 5 years seems to be the average time to port software to Linux.

    ...or never. That seems to be the most common timeframe.

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  14. Re: by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    For one thing Geforce 6/7 receive driver updates till 2017, though they're limited to critical bugs and migration to new Xorg and kernel versions. Which is not that bad. That's about 11 to 13 years support. Only problem with that is those particular cards lack OpenGL features needed to run Valve games (except for the Quake 1 based one) whereas they'd work perfectly under Windows and Direct3D.
    Geforce 8 and 200 series have entered legacy support too, but still works.
    When they're not supported you still have the open source driver. Not made by nvidia, but it works. Better than be stuck in VESA at least..

  15. Re: by kefkahax · · Score: 1

    Because it's too late. We did all of the hard work before nVidia finally caved, and still they're not trying that hard.

  16. NVIDIA on Linux by The+Raven · · Score: 1

    I just purchased an NVIDIA card for my Linux gaming machine... I tried to get my AMD card to play games at an acceptable speed for months, but it's just not working out. AMD still is a bit ahead of NVIDIA for Windows (price/performance), but the ratio flips on Linux. My GTX 760 should arrive Thursday, whee!

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  17. Re: by armanox · · Score: 1

    People don't choose. The introduction of KMS caused a lot of GPU drivers to stop working. Stop deluding yourself that OSS is a "magic support pill" that makes everything better. It only matters as long as the developers care, just like with the closed drivers.

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  18. Re:Still contains non-free code... by armanox · · Score: 1

    Some people really need to get over themselves. GPLv3 sucks pretty bad too.

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  19. Re:Counter-Strike Global Offensive Premieres On Li by vux984 · · Score: 1

    It premiered TWO YEARS AGO on Windows.

    Which is why this is its "premiere on Linux" instead of its "premiere".

    Seriously, your argument is ridiculous.

    Its like "correcting" someone who says "this is the first time I've ever drunk wine from a tin mug" by saying "you don't know what 'first' means, you drank wine from a glass years ago."

  20. AMD/ATI? by antdude · · Score: 1

    What happened to ATI/AMD? I know the company open sourced its video drivers years ago. Why are they still crappy? :(

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    1. Re:AMD/ATI? by armanox · · Score: 1

      As of the beginning of this year, I would say that FGLRX works great, when it works. It was still a quirky driver to get it to install and run properly when I last used it (Feodra 19, Radeon HD 7750)

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    2. Re:AMD/ATI? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Bummer. I just use the provided closed binary driver from Debian stable. I wonder if it has ATI/AMD's closed fglrx binary drivers too.

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    3. Re:AMD/ATI? by armanox · · Score: 1

      There have been issues with AMD not keeping up on current kernels (Fedora usually runs an up to date kernel, unlike Debian), and when AMD slips for months on it's monthly update it can be troublesome. Also, somewhere around the release of Fedora 19 the guy that maintained the driver (guy's with RPMFusion, which has most of the software that Fedora can't ship, kinda like Ubuntu's nonfree repos, but not actually a part of Fedora/Red Hat for legal reasons) basically stopped maintaining the package (I think the case was he was no longer running recent AMD hardware, and wasn't going to go buy new cards or something like that).

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  21. Nouveau Status by DMJC · · Score: 2

    It's all irrelevant anyway, AMDs Open Source support sucks, and hasn't been stable. Nouveau's Open Source support is actually better. Go look at the Mesa Matrix http://www.mesamatrix.net/ Nouveau supports more OpenGL features on their open source cards than AMD does. The only thing that's been holding the Nouveau cards back has been power management and even that's not a huge issue, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org... notice that power management is almost complete on all current gen cards going right back to the Geforce 3/4 series! (admittedly Geforce 3/4 has stalled in part, but the other cards are all close to completion) So the legacy support level is fantastic as is the current card support. Nouveau has been also very rapid at making all features available to the newest generation of cards very quickly. I expect that by this time next year, they will have working OpenGL 4.2-4.3 support, and power management will be completed. Whether Nvidia has posted meaningful contributions to the project or not is almost irrelevant. The reality is that open source Nvidia is coming and it's going to be great.

  22. Re:Sounds about right by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    Yes, I'm sure that MS bribes are the only thing standing between developers rushing out en masse to spend millions of dollars to develop for an audience that's about 1% of the market, wants everything for free (and to be open source), and can't even decide on a single fucking distro.

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  23. Try the opensource one ? by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Could you try the opensource drivers (radeonsi , etc.) I've read on Phoronix that it works decently with Counter-Strike.

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  24. What?! by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Go look at the Mesa Matrix http://www.mesamatrix.net/ Nouveau supports more OpenGL features on their open source cards than AMD does.

    Both Nvidia and AMD recent drivers (r600 and radeonsi) are 100% green on all OpenGL features that are currently officially supported (OpenGL 3.x)
    They only have red spots for feature that are for OpenGL versions that aren't supported by mesa yet any way (OpenGL 4.x) - in other words, that's still getting worked on. And given the current pace of development, both cards will support all opengl 4.x feature with short time difference between each other.

    (Note: the case of r300 is a bit different. It's an older card generation (The various Radeon 9600/9800/X) and actually lacks some features like unified shaders - unlike the nv50/nvc0/r600/radeonsi cards. So you'll never see 100% features support anyway. The hardware simply isn't there)

    The problem aren't *features*. The problem is performance.

    The only thing that's been holding the Nouveau cards back has been power management and even that's not a huge issue,

    Except for the part that re-clocking is critical to get decent performance out of a card. And it doesn't work reliably yet. The usability is, according to current benchmark at phoronix, quite random.

    That's not nouveau team's fault, though. Nvidia has started releasing documentation only very recently (and almost only about Tegra).
    Without documentation Nouveau team has to reverse engineer almost everything, and that's not an easy task as shown by the actual realworld performance.

    Nouveau has been also very rapid at making all features available to the newest generation of cards very quickly.

    Except that real world test tend to show that the actual result will vary greatly between differnt cards.

    I expect that by this time next year, they will have working OpenGL 4.2-4.3 support,

    And probably the other drivers will have it too around the same time frame...
    (You know, the whole point of Gallium being modular and parts being re-usable. Once Mesa starts supporting a feature for one card, getting the other to support is a lot easier: basically only upgrading the backend)

    Whether Nvidia has posted meaningful contributions to the project or not is almost irrelevant. The reality is that open source Nvidia is coming and it's going to be great.

    It *IS* relevant. Without any help from Nvidia, the work for Nouveau developer is much harder (as seen with the current problems regard re-clocking), and more bumpy accross the landscape of varied graphic cards.

    As AMD provides documentations to the radeonsi/r600 developers (in addition to having some developer on their own payroll), it's much easy for them.
    To the point that AMD considers the opensource driver as a valid alternative for older hardware whose support has been dropped in recent catalysts.

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  25. Re: Intel by sad_ · · Score: 1

    Intel is NOT a fraud, except that the 3D hardware is not as powerful. Otherwise they are the best of the 3 (Nvidia, AMD, Intel), because they at least have a full open source stack.

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