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BlackBerry Launches Square-Screened Passport Phone

New submitter Andrewkov writes: BlackBerry released its new Passport phone today. It has a square 4.5" screen and a physical keyboard, and it's aimed at corporate users. The company hopes the larger size, Siri-like voice recognition, 30-hour battery life, and improved security will buoy its market share. Early reviews are not terribly favorable — the Wall Street Journal says BlackBerry is still behind on the software, and "The bulky, awkward design and the unfamiliar keyboard make it hard to justify finding space for it in a pocket or bag." The Verge said, "[T]he Passport got in the way of getting work done more than it helped." Re/code calls it a phone only a BlackBerry user will love.

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  1. As a BlackBerry user by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can tell you the only BlackBerry I enjoy using is the 9900/9930. It's the best work productivity messaging tool I've found. It's not a toy, like my Samsung personal phone.

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    1. Re:As a BlackBerry user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Q10 is a good workhorse. I think only really stupid people hate BlackBerry phones.
      Fear of starting to like it? Probably.
       

    2. Re:As a BlackBerry user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. They are probably afraid they will start to like it. That is probably what it is.

      This is what today's Slashdot actually believes.

    3. Re:As a BlackBerry user by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      I applaud bb for making a big move. bb is far behind in the mobile race. one of their historical strengths was in physical keyboards. even in 2014 "today's slashdot" I hear people complaining about how they don't like onscreen keyboards and there are no physical keyboard options. bb might as well throw the 12-sided die and go for a win.

    4. Re:As a BlackBerry user by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about BES?

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    5. Re:As a BlackBerry user by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Dice: The Slashdot Buyout Bill is passed. The system goes on-line on september 1997. Human decisions are removed from comments moderation. Slashdot begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 12:48 Eastern time, September 24th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
      Anonymous Coward: Slashdot fights back.
      Dice: Yes. It launches a DDoS attack against 4chan.
      Anonymous Coward: Why attack 4chan? Isn't it a simple image-based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images?
      Dice: Because Slashdot knows the 4chan counter-attack will eliminate its readers over here.

    6. Re:As a BlackBerry user by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what sets those Blackberries apart from the Samsung (and presumably other smartphones), making one a productivity tool and the others toys?

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    7. Re:As a BlackBerry user by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      Physical keyboard and OS focused on messaging. For those who don't deal with a high volume of messages, such as a salesperson does, the advantages are not really seen, which is why I find the other devices better for personal use.

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    8. Re:As a BlackBerry user by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      possibly because BB was always designed as a business device where all the others are fashion items for playing music and taking selfies. they just made the mistake of going into the consumer market

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    9. Re:As a BlackBerry user by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      I'm genuinely curious: can you elaborate on how the messaging is better? And how an entire OS can be focused on messaging rather than messaging just being one of many apps on the phone?

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    10. Re:As a BlackBerry user by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      i would guess he means secure messaging that includes emails, bbm, etc

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    11. Re:As a BlackBerry user by rikkards · · Score: 1

      They went into the consumer market because Apple (and Android)started eating their lunch. The amount of people who can live with their "toys" as a primary work phone is more than the amount that Rim needed/needs to survive. They were trying to plug the dike and stop people from moving over.

    12. Re:As a BlackBerry user by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      My e-mail is over SSL already. What's more secure about BlackBerry?

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    13. Re:As a BlackBerry user by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 2

      You just said it in your question. For the BlackBerry, messaging is not one of the many things it does, it's the focus of what it does. Here are some simple differences: I get a separate icon for each inbox on BlackBerry, whereas on Android I get one mail 'app' that has drop-down menus for each inbox. With BlackBerry I automatically get true push email, but Android only offers that if I'm using a Google hosted email account (yes, probably some way to fix this, but BlackBerry it is automatically set up on every account). BlackBerry is loaded with really great shortcuts available at all times because the physical keyboard, which allows me to accomplish routine tasks in a fraction of the time required on an Android. If you deal with high volumes of email (both receiving and sending -some people receive lots of email, but rarely respond, so that wouldn't matter), pick up a BlackBerry and try it out. If you don't deal with high volumes of email, then you probably will never understand why such a tool is better.

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    14. Re:As a BlackBerry user by relisher · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it feels as if BlackBerry is just trying to bankrupt themselves. This new phone is a joke

    15. Re:As a BlackBerry user by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      It has AES 256 bit encryption and FIPS 140-02 security certification for data protection (i.e. not just email) for governmental use, how does that stack up against SSL email?

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  2. Lacking developers. by blueshift_1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What it comes down to is that it just lacks the development community. People will only spend the time developing apps if it is going to make them money... and with the majority of the user base in android and iOS devices, it's just more reasonable to develop for those platforms. Not to mention, the square screen means you'll have to pretty much rethink the whole layout of you apps. But I guess it'll be useful if you're just going to check your email or make changes in a calendar (I guess it is true that blackberry users are probably only going to do that anyway).

    1. Re:Lacking developers. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Microsoft, with all its vast resources, cannot make a dent in the iOS-Android duopoly, I fail to see how a company that has basically been swirling around the drain for six or seven years is going to even carve out enough of a niche to stay alive.

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    2. Re:Lacking developers. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      What it comes down to is that it just lacks the development community.

      And better products. And market share. And a compelling reason to use them.

      RIM may have invented the market for the modern smart phone. But any of the reasons to use them have been dwindling over the last few years.

      Checking you email and updating a calendar can be done from pretty much any phone these days. And those other phones already have apps and other things for them.

      So except for the people who go "ZOMG! Square screens!", I'm not sure who is going to be buying from them.

      My limited experience with them tells me I'm not even remotely interested.

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    3. Re:Lacking developers. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Especially considering I haven't heard much criticism of the current generation of Windows Phones, except for that pertaining to lack of apps. The general consensus seem to be (as far as I've read) that Windows Phone is actually quite a good product. From the development standpoint, I've played around with it, and actually find it much easier to get started with than Android or iOS. The only reason I can figure that they aren't succeeding is because of the lack of apps, which leads to less users, which makes it less attractive to developers. It's a circular problem. Blackberry has other sorts of problems. Not only are there no users, but from what I've heard, developing apps on it isn't easy.

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    4. Re:Lacking developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft, with all its vast resources, cannot make a dent in the iOS-Android duopoly, I fail to see how a company that has basically been swirling around the drain for six or seven years is going to even carve out enough of a niche to stay alive.

      I guess that depends on the requirement. If this is supposed to be a secure business-class device, then I sure as hell don't need to be trying to woo some hipster coder to work for me writing the next candy crush, or fill an app store with 98% bullshit, which is pretty much what we have today.

    5. Re:Lacking developers. by hattig · · Score: 2

      Luckily it can run Android apps, and includes the Amazon App Store for Android Apps on board.

      But I don't know how it runs Android games that use the NDK, not the Android runtime...

      It's an odd shape, but I've read a couple of things about it that are positive - non-obscured display because the keyboard is also a trackpad for example, natural left/right handed use, solid software...

    6. Re:Lacking developers. by aaron4801 · · Score: 1

      Blackberry always made the superior hardware. Even in the software, there are functions that Blackberry has had for a decade that iOS and Android still can't duplicate. That said, they walled their garden off far too completely. If they would just make the switch to Android, even a highly modified version like Amazon, I would strongly consider going back.

    7. Re:Lacking developers. by acoustix · · Score: 1

      It runs Android apps as well. The lack of software support is a BS complaint from 2 years ago. There are hundreds of thousands of apps for the BlackBerry 10 platform.

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    8. Re:Lacking developers. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      I'm curious why running Android apps isn't enough? Are you aware that the Amazon's Android App Store is loaded on the PassPort out of the box and the Passport runs 98% of all Android apps?

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    9. Re:Lacking developers. by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Interesting. Although I guess the question is, what is in the 2% of apps it doesn't run? From a quick search, it looks like there's 1.3 million apps. Which means that there's around 26000 apps that don't run. If they are all just fart apps, then that's fine. But if it includes popular games or programs that I want to use, then it's a big problem.

      Also, how did anybody test that all those apps are even working. They would have to download each one individually and test them out. Even automating something like that would take a while. And how did they get access to all the apps if they had to pay form them. And how do you determine if an app "runs" do you launch it and check for crashes? Do you actually try out every feature of the app, play through the entire game?

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    10. Re:Lacking developers. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with Windows Phone. But they still lag behind Android phones by 6-12 months. The prime example of this is the HTC One. Windows version released months after the Android version, with the exact same hardware.

    11. Re:Lacking developers. by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      "Not only are there no users, but from what I've heard, developing apps on it isn't easy."

      such generalisations. you should say there are not as many users as there used to be. and from what you've heard why aren't developing apps on it easy?

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    12. Re:Lacking developers. by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      If the primary reason to use a Blackberry device is because it can run Android apps, why not just use an Android phone in the first place?

    13. Re:Lacking developers. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Perhaps BlackBerry can answer those questions.

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    14. Re:Lacking developers. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The PRIMARY reason to use a BlackBerry device is because I don't want the NSA or 4chan all up in my business.

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    15. Re:Lacking developers. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Lag in what regards? Most useful apps are now finally on par with IOS and Android ones.

      The rest of the phone is just a phone. The one thing that works for them is the fact that their developer base is HUGE since all code crosses over platforms minus interfaces (For obvious reasons).

    16. Re:Lacking developers. by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      since all code crosses over platforms minus interfaces (For obvious reasons).

      Someone should tell that to microsoft.

    17. Re:Lacking developers. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      in the software, there are functions that Blackberry has had for a decade that iOS and Android still can't duplicate

      This is very true. My Android doesn't get a monthly reformat. The old Blackberry would be reformatted at least once a month because it would regularly decide to do nothing but throw errors about Java shit fucking up.

    18. Re:Lacking developers. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Lag in hardware releases. Windows Phones have the same hardware as Androids released 6-12 months before. And the price is similar or even higher. So even if Windows Phone was a perfect clone of Android with as many developers and users, people would still get Androids.

    19. Re:Lacking developers. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      I get your point and it's a good one but I just want to put a pin in the myth of the mobile OS duopoly. Windows Phone isn't very far behind IOS. Both are waaay behind Android. It's more accurate to think of it as an Android monopoly and then everyone else.

    20. Re:Lacking developers. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      The apps isn't really even that big of an issue any more. There will always be a gap in the number of apps but it's getting closer in terms of a usefulness gap. With the exception of an official Starbucks app there's not anything I feel I'm missing.

    21. Re:Lacking developers. by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Parent post should be mod-up to match the original post at least. This redundant complaint about the lack of software support is just misinformation.

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    22. Re:Lacking developers. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      By "not very far behind iOS", you mean with actual sales (and no, shipping from factory to warehouse or outlet is not a sale), that are all but insignificant compared to iOS.

      Does anyone seriously believe that Windows Phone has any market share of any kind?

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    23. Re:Lacking developers. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      I don't think there are accurate market share numbers available, and most of what you see are educated guesses. Here's a link to mobile usage which shows Android at 45.01%, iOS at 44.34%, Java ME (!!!!) at 3.77%, and Windows Phone at 2.69%. BlackBerry at 1.18% comes in behind Symbian at 2.61%.

      As I can't think of a good reason why Windows would be disproportionately undercounted compared to iOS (unlike Android which is widely available on dirt cheap phones in developing nations), I'd say Windows Phone is a whole hell of a lot very far behind iOS.

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    24. Re:Lacking developers. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Developers who want to target multiple platforms try to avoid the NDK as it can be difficult to support and can make their app incompatible with even other Android devices if they aren't running the same platform (ARM/INTEL ATOM). That said there is limited support on BlackBerry 10.3

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    25. Re:Lacking developers. by Gliscameria · · Score: 1

      That's exactly why I left windows phone or whatever it was called about 3 years ago. Every time I went to look for an app there was an Android and iOS version, but no winmo... which was infuriating, because most of the applications had a windows desktop version, and I'd think it would be a whole lot easier to recompile and troubleshoot in the mobile net framework than to rewrite everything for Android/iOS. I know that there is a HUGE difference between developing real applications and just playing around in visual studio, but making simple apps for windows mobile required no additional knowledge outside of just compiling for the mobile net framework.

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    26. Re:Lacking developers. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Those stats mix in tablets where Apple does have a solid lead. Looking at just 2nd quarter phone data from IDC:
      Android:84.7% Apple:11.7% and MS:2.5%

      If this were the PC days Andorid would be MS, Apple would still be Apple, and MS would be Linux so it doesn't make sense to talk about Android and Apple as though they're a Coke/Pepsi style duopoly.

    27. Re:Lacking developers. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      I agree that Windows Phone has very little market share. If we think of this in PC terms, Android is MS, Apple is still Apple and MS is Linux.
      As of 2nd quarter data:
      Android:84.7% Apple:11.7% and MS:2.5%

      My point is that it doesn't make sense to talk about Apple as though they're part of a Coke/Pepsi style duopoly. There's really just Android with everyone else way back there.

    28. Re:Lacking developers. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      My work blackberry phone has never been formatted and only receives upgrades. It works quite well.

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    29. Re:Lacking developers. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I wasn't making reference to Metro because in that case it would probably be ok.

    30. Re:Lacking developers. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Most users really don't care. I know I don't. I'm not encoding videos with my phone. I click on shit and it comes up. And the price point where I live is $0.00 with a plan. It was $0.00 at release because they are trying to pierce the market.

    31. Re:Lacking developers. by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      the pre-QNX blackberrys were a bit flakey because of the Java dependency. I spent 4 years supporting them and the number of device wipes and restores of data was a large part of my job apart from every time a new device was released the number of excuses i heard for them needing the new version.

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    32. Re:Lacking developers. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      the pre-QNX blackberrys were a bit flakey because of the Java dependency.

      I don't think my Blackberry Bold even runs QNX honestly. I've never had issues with it (literally zero), but I have witnessed other people who manage to screw them up badly.

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    33. Re:Lacking developers. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I agree that last-year specs are often enough. That's why I get a used phone for half the price. I am pretty sure most users don't like paying full price for last year hardware. That's why Apple sells much more iPhones on the day of a new release than the day before.

    34. Re:Lacking developers. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that if they don't start selling product soon, they're dead. Blackberry will be cannibalized.

      Let's be clear here. BB is living on loans and a dwindling cash reserve. It has few customers to speak of. The Passport is not Blackberry Rising, it's a hail mary pass.

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    35. Re:Lacking developers. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      In units sold you're right. In revenue you're not. Apple has demonstrated with the iPhone 6 that, despite all the claims that it was over the hill, that it still commands significant brand loyalty and dominates the high end smart phone market. All Blackberry and Microsoft have been able to demonstrate is the number of people who actually give a damn about their phones is so small as to be deemed insignificant. Neither Google or Apple are losing much sleep over Windows or Blackberry phones.

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    36. Re:Lacking developers. by Octorian · · Score: 1

      I still wonder what platform(s) those numbers lump into the "Java ME" bucket, since that's not really a platform as much as a category. A category that the older BlackBerry OS "technically" was compatible with, but is rarely counted as part of.
      I'm also suspicious of any mobile marketshare stats, since they vary from hour to hour and always seem to support the point being made in whatever blog post or presentation they're cited in.

    37. Re:Lacking developers. by Octorian · · Score: 1

      The new BlackBerry 10 platform doesn't have any Java shit to get fucked up.

      One of BlackBerry's biggest marketing problems with BlackBerry 10 is that they're not getting the message across that BB10 is *not* the same platform as BB7. The only thing they really have in common is the brand name associated with them.

    38. Re:Lacking developers. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I didn't say anything about revenue. I completely agree that Apple is a really well run money generation machine. They've always done well selling Macs even though the market share was low. Back in the day when I would talk to my mac friends they would assure me that they liked it that way; Apple wasn't going to compromise in pursuit of market share.

      Then the iPhone was a hit. It seemed like everyone had one and my friends were all happy to crow about their fat market share and I don't say I blamed them. It feels good to back a winner. WP isn't going away though. Unlike Blackberry, MS is still making money hand over fist in other places and the mobile segment of their strategy is too important to give up on. They'll just keep pouring money into it until it has momentum to self sustain. That's what they did with xbox, windows server and even office back when it was the underdog.

      As a fan of WP I have gained an appreciation for how my Mac friends feel on the PC side. Meanwhile Google is just going to keep pushing the peddle and Android will seep into every nook and cranny of our lives. Not a pleasant thought but I don't see anyone catching them any time soon.

    39. Re:Lacking developers. by exomondo · · Score: 2

      The PRIMARY reason to use a BlackBerry device is because I don't want the NSA or 4chan all up in my business.

      Well the NSA most certainly can be "all up in your business" if you use a BlackBerry so perhaps it's time to switch to something else. As for 4chan, well just don't use "cloud services" for hosting stuff you don't want to be public.

    40. Re:Lacking developers. by wchin · · Score: 1

      You can't trust IDC data.

      Also, treating Android as a single thing is a mistake. You really have to separate out Google Play Android versus Android Open Source Project. They aren't the same thing in terms of how the market behaves, pricing, and the consumer experience.

    41. Re:Lacking developers. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      Aapps are trivial to make for BB10 you can install android apps directly and a few modifications to the menu and it will fit in instead of feeling ported, native is "better" but integration with android runtime apps is quite seamless. Considering that the suits at blackberry seem chronically incapable of demonstrating competence despite the best efforts of engineering, I hope that they get bought whole by microsoft or samsung and not picket apart by scavengers when the time comes.

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    42. Re:Lacking developers. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      That's strange because the years I spent admining BlackBerry's 2004-2006 I never had that issue. I mean there were the occasional device lock ups but they were rare. The only time we wiped was when an employee left. I wonder if the way the BES was configured could have contributed to the issues you saw.

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    43. Re:Lacking developers. by unity · · Score: 1

      Indeed, developing apps for blackberry is a pita -- at least it was the last time I did about 2 years ago. Win Phone apps are quite a breeze by comparison.

    44. Re:Lacking developers. by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      Lockups were just the "Battery out for at least 10 seconds". Wiping a device wasn't a large issue but there were quite a few Java Exception Errors so the "wipe it and start again" was applied when the user wanted something done to make them feel happy and important. Having a blackberry was just like having a BMW, "i've got a blackberry (or BMW) so therefore i'm important by association", a bit like the Apple users now "I've got an iPhone so I'm now officially a cool person by association"

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    45. Re:Lacking developers. by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      I've had everything from a 6710 (week battery life) to 8700 when i left. I had virtually no problems either. I think a lot of the problems were down to the link to Exchange, we had a lot of PAs sharing their bosses calendar and most work great all the time but I had one PA whose device i had to relink the calendar once and sometimes twice a week. Blackberrys got the blame for everything, we had one group whose emails were taking over 20 hours to reach the device and everyone wanted a replacement handset to fix the issue, it turned out to be an under-configured Exchange server, once they put more memory in it, it was fine. unfortunately the exchange was maintained by the client and we couldn't get access to it and they didn;t want to take the blame for the issue

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    46. Re:Lacking developers. by Kijori · · Score: 1

      I expect that there is a feature that they don't have, and that 2% of apps require, rather than that they have tried all the apps and identified which ones work.

      I don't think Blackberry uses Google Play Services, so that may well be the feature that 2% of apps rely on.

    47. Re:Lacking developers. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much longer Microsoft shareholders will tolerate the company dumping vast sums of money into product lines that don't make money. Even the XBox division has yet to actually pay for the massive investments.

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  3. Last post? by peter.kingsbury · · Score: 1

    I wish it were, on this topic...

    1. Re:Last post? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Not, it is.

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  4. OK by kv9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    But does it bend?

    1. Re:OK by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Not in your pocket, apparently.

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    2. Re:OK by ControlsGeek · · Score: 1

      Chen actually made a joke about this at the Launch. Stainless steel frame not as likely to bend as the Aluminium one in the iphone 6.

  5. Square screens by itzly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Square screens are probably the only way to stop people making vertical videos.

    1. Re:Square screens by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Youtube really needs to take the lead in solving vertical video syndrome. I'm sure they can autodetect when some lunkhead is pushing up a vertical video and scrunch it into full view. It would look horrible but might convince people to turn the damn phone. They could also keep a count and after three strikes just refuse to accept vertical videos from the offending party.

  6. WTF? by gstoddart · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who has been asking for square screens? And other than people who are die-hard fans of the company, who wants anything from Blackberry?

    My brother was visiting recently, and his POS BlackBerry (no idea what model) wouldn't charge from a standard USB, it kept complaining it needed a special cable.

    Seriously guys, WTF is the point of using a standard connector if you need a magic cable or charger?

    Sorry BlackBerry, but I think this is just one more product which the market nobody really wants.

    The Playbook I bought my wife was a steaming pile of useless.

    I certainly won't be buying anything from BB anytime soon.

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    1. Re:WTF? by anjrober · · Score: 1

      posted by AC, shock!

    2. Re:WTF? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      My brother was visiting recently, and his POS BlackBerry (no idea what model) wouldn't charge from a standard USB, it kept complaining it needed a special cable.

      My work blackberry charges fine off every USB cable I've used. Are you sure you weren't using a data-only USB cable?

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    3. Re:WTF? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      Have you been diagnosed?

    4. Re:WTF? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      My work blackberry charges fine off every USB cable I've used. Are you sure you weren't using a data-only USB cable?

      Unplugged the cable I use to charge my Nexus 7 and my cell phone (and half a dozen other things) and plugged it straight into the BB. It had just finished charging my phone.

      Kensington 4 port USB wall wart I've charged dozens of different devices.

      Got the big message that the device couldn't charge the BB.

      If it was data only, I'd never have been able to charge anything else with it. My wife's Playbook has the same problem ... it will only charge with the BB cable and wall wart.

      So, yeah, I'm 100% sure it wasn't a data-only cable.

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    5. Re:WTF? by Skater · · Score: 1

      I had a similar problem with a work-issued Blackberry 9930. The only chargers that worked with it were the included Blackberry charger and the charger for my Samsung S3. We have at least 30 chargers laying around our house and cars, ranging from name brands like Apple and Samsung to no-name chargers we got for free, including chargers for my wife's iPad and my Asus tablet, and I tried them all. Only the Blackberry and Samsung adapters worked to charge the Blackberry. The cable didn't seem to matter - as long as it had the correct USB port, it worked - but the power adapter did.

    6. Re:WTF? by hattig · · Score: 1

      Meh, BlackBerries lack of support for the Playbook after promising BBOS10 for it and not delivering it says a lot. Additionally the fact that they got the security right means there are no Android hacks for it, so you're stuck with what it has.

      I want to like this device for being different, but it's still a BB.

    7. Re:WTF? by hattig · · Score: 1

      Weird, my (otherwise useless) playbook charges from any micro-usb charger.

    8. Re:WTF? by Megol · · Score: 1

      There isn't any "data-only" USB cable! There are 3 connectors theoretically needed for communication: Ground (signal reference), D+, D- (signal) and in practice the power connector (+5V) is needed too. Just having the signal connectors (D+ and D-) wouldn't be of any use as it would be impossible to even detect that a unit is connected!

      Now his charger may have been too weak and the BB simply required more current to charge than it could deliver.

    9. Re:WTF? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      "wouldn't charge from a standard USB, it kept complaining it needed a special cable." - possibly correct. my girl friend's samsung S3 charges a lot faster on my blackberry supplied cable than it does on her samsung supplied one. At least it uses a standard plug socket so we can both use the same cable.

      The playbook was mainly for Blackberry phone users so it was a bit limited if you got it as a stand alone tablet rather than a Galaxy Tab

      I'll happily stick with BB because i'm not a app junkie, i just need secure email, good contact handling, good calendar and okay browsing. i prefer my computer for proper work. At least the Passport had better battery life and a real keyboard and a decent size screen, just hope i've got the pocket sizes for it.

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    10. Re:WTF? by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      There may not be any data-only USB cables, I don't know. But it's perfectly reasonable to transmit data over just a differential pair. LVDS etc. do it just fine with no separate ground and I can't think of any reason why one could not detect device connection. I'm not saying that it does work, just that it could.

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    11. Re:WTF? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      How is that post considered insightful while it is just flamebait?

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    12. Re:WTF? by zlives · · Score: 1

      i too can attest to both functionalities

    13. Re:WTF? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Probably things like this prevent HTC from growing their marketshare inspite of making good phones.

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    14. Re:WTF? by Kijori · · Score: 1

      What did the message actually say? I've noticed that some BBs seem to require slightly higher current than other phones - maybe your adapter isn't supplying enough juice?

  7. Dunder Mifflin Releases New Pyramid Tablet by Mazzella! · · Score: 1

    "Unleash the power of the pyramid"
    http://theoffice.wikia.com/wik...

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  8. All that real estate by phorm · · Score: 1

    All that space, just to fit the keyboard. Why not a snap-out keyboard like the HTC phones used to have (and that people were pissed off when they stopped making).

    1. Re:All that real estate by TWX · · Score: 1

      i had a T-Mobile G1/HTC Dream. I wish that they'd come out with a new version of that. I don't need my phone to be wafer-thin, I need it to have a decent screen, and arguably a good real keyboard.

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  9. Awful awful timing of launch by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trying to launch one week into the shadow of the massive iPhone 6 launch?

    Guaranteed burial and gross embarassment by comparison.

    Execution matters, and now we'll see an execution.

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    1. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by Rigel47 · · Score: 1

      Um, you're aware the iPhone6 is getting huge negative press for literally deforming while inside a front pocket? The blackberry passport, by contrast, has a stainless steel frame.

    2. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      There isn't a lot of overlap between the market for this device and an iPhone, so there's really not much of a comparison to be made.

      This device could be much more useful than regular smart phones to older people with failing vision.

    3. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You do realize that stainless (in it's most common forms) is no stronger than typical structural aluminums, right?

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    4. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I'm aware of us that everybody is repeating the same tiny handful of stories/reports of bent iPhone 6 Plus phones over and over again, so it's not clear if the negative press represents a real problem, or just a handful of defective phones that has raised an uproar. They're still selling like gangbusters, and it'll probably take at least a few days or weeks before we can find out if "bendgate" is the result of defective units or an actual design flaw.

      The Blackberry Passport, for its part, is ridiculously wide, roughly equivalent to a six-inch tablet (it's half an inch wider than the 5.7" Galaxy Note 4). The form factor will probably relegate it to niche status.

    5. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Um, you're aware the iPhone6 is getting huge negative press for literally deforming while inside a front pocket?

      Um, you're aware that the iPhone 6 sold 10 million units launch weekend and is still gong strong? And that any large phone has the same problem so people learn not to sit on them?

      The only thing the articles do is help the case industry.

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    6. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      One of the complaints against Apple is that they're using cheap, soft aluminum, not the tempered kind that you're talking about.

    7. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by Rigel47 · · Score: 2

      Nobody's sitting on the phones. The issue affected people putting the phone in their front pocket. As to the million of phones sold, yes, Apple has a lot of lemmings.

    8. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I think what's really telling is that Blackberry hopes to sell a million of them over the next year.

      That's what - 2-1/2 days of iPhone sales? Sales by the 10 AM coffee break any day of the week for Android?

      So what does the passport have?

      • 1. A square display - that cuts off video with black bars top and bottom, or drops the sides.
      • 2. A real keyboard - but the shift key is on-screen (along with a bunch of others).
      • 3. A camera that takes non-standard square pictures reminiscent of the old kodaks from 50 years ago.
      • 4. Blackberry apps, but no access to google apps, so potential users will still need their android phone because they're tied into google for much of their workflow / data / services.

      Forget the complaints about the form factor being too wide - people will adjust. Just like all the new Apple iPhone 6+ users are learning to adjust to bigger screens after saying for years that there was zero need for them. However, people are definitely tied to their current functionality, and before they carry around a blackberry as a second phone, they'll just buy a 7" or 8" tablet. A lot cheaper, works with their existing tools and data, much bigger display even if it is lower resolution, etc.

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    9. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      You want to see lemmings? Look at every Android owner who continues to buy into a platform that is horribly insecure and a second class citizen where applications are concerned. Buying Android because "Not Apple" makes you guys the largest bunch of lemmings history will ever see.

      I guess you don't watch the news much. Apple Yanks iOS 8 Update, Apple Allegedly Knew of iCloud Brute-Force Vulnerability Since March (with screen shots of emails), Users Report Warping of Apple's iPhone 6 Plus ... and that's just today on slashdot.

      Apple has been playing catch-up with android for a while. Near Field Communications is a big new thing for Apple in the i6, but it's been in android since Gingerbread.

      Buying something "because it's Apple" is starting to sound like "Nobody got fired for buying IBM". It was the safe bet - until it wasn't.

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    10. Re:Awful awful timing of launch by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      If you want to do real work on a mobile device, a tablet would seem to be more appropriate.

  10. Need customers first by sjbe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Especially considering I haven't heard much criticism of the current generation of Windows Phones, except for that pertaining to lack of apps.

    I think someone would have to actually buy one for anyone to criticize it...

  11. I just want a phone by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    I just want a good tough phone with nothing except for the phone and minimal software for the phone to function installed. Nothing else. If I want to install a browser, cal, etc.. then I 'd do it after wards

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    1. Re:I just want a phone by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Ask and you shall receive!

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    2. Re:I just want a phone by praxis · · Score: 1

      Do those have a reasonable browser? That was one of future assassin's requirements--the possibility to install a browser after wards (sic).

    3. Re:I just want a phone by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      If I want to install a browser, cal, etc.. then I 'd do it after wards

      That's a big if! I understood it to mean that he really doesn't want one, hence his objections to one being provided by default.

      But really, I was just trying to be an ass and demonstrate that the type of contemporary phones that have nothing more than "telephony" on their feature list are explicitly marketed towards people with one foot in the grave.

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    4. Re:I just want a phone by praxis · · Score: 1

      Yes, I wasn't asking if it has a reasonable browser installed, I was asking if there was one available to install later, otherwise that if could never be satisfied. Sorry for the confusion.

    5. Re:I just want a phone by ControlsGeek · · Score: 1

      Blackberry has done significant development to improve the voice call aspect of the Passport. At the release event they discussed this including closed loop feedback with a separate microphone to improve the loudness and tone at your ear depending upon how far away that you hold the device and the ambient noise and whether the other party is a 'Loud talker' or 'Quiet Talker'. Also mentioned was the extra loud speakerphone mode (300 times louder than Samsung) and the 30 hour battery life. Not sure I believe it until I hear it though. Does anybody use their phone for Voice calls anymore?

  12. No USB charging? Nonstandard cable? by gwolf · · Score: 1

    Hard to recognize if you were talking about Apple or Blackberry.

    Or maybe deep inside Apple owns Blackberry, and pushes it just to compete (unfavorably) with itself?

    1. Re:No USB charging? Nonstandard cable? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Apple devices charge off regular USB just fine: lightning cables end in a regular USB 2.0 plug on the other end. That means it's a nonstandard cable, not that it doesn't support USB charging.

    2. Re:No USB charging? Nonstandard cable? by gwolf · · Score: 1

      Apple, Blackberry and other providers' devices charge off regular 110/220V AC power just fine: They just require a specific voltage conversor, rectificator and plug.

      But yes, I have to yield: I thought GP was refering to the connector only.

    3. Re:No USB charging? Nonstandard cable? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      And yet I just upgraded a 4S to 8.0 and all of the sudden the Targus 2Amp (2 1A ports) USB charger I've been using for two years will no longer charge the phone. I had to switch to a...BlackBerry charger to get the phone to charge.

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    4. Re:No USB charging? Nonstandard cable? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      That may say more about a problem with the Targus thing you're using than anything else. My iPhone 4S running iOS 8 is still charging fine plugged into my Windows PC or my various battery packs... but the fact that you're using your BlackBerry's charger just goes to show that it can charge off regular USB without issue.

      Now, it's definitely true that Apple went a non-standard route for high-power USB charging (charging over USB at amperages in excess of the half amp standard of USB 2), but the worst case scenario there is that it will charge slower, not that it won't charge at all, and the point becomes moot when most accessories (like decent battery packs) support both Apple's high-power standard and USB-IF's own. I think I paid $20 for my Anker battery pack, and my giant NewTrent one was pretty cheap considering it's got a battery of a size you might expect to find in a laptop. Both work fine with Apple devices.

  13. Review are actually quite positive.... by Maxwell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...thanks for cherry picking the worst part of every review. Most reviews seem to like it, appreciate it, but are on the fence about the size and form factor.

    1. Re:Review are actually quite positive.... by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Its honestly not all that surprising. For a few years now, the majority opinion in the tech press has been that you can't post anything about BlackBerry unless its bad news or has negative commentary injected into it.

    2. Re:Review are actually quite positive.... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      For a few years now, it's been difficult to post anything about BlackBerry that didn't involve bad news or negative commentary.

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  14. Biased reviews.. by Rigel47 · · Score: 1

    "it requires no less than three taps on different install buttons, at least two loading bars, and a fair amount of patience before you can actually use the app you're trying to install."

    Heaven forfend.. installing apps is exactly how much time spent on a phone? 0.1%?

  15. They seemed detrmined to use up every last dollar by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    of shareholder equity before they close their doors.

  16. My Issues with BB by Champaklal · · Score: 2
    As an ex-user (had Storm 2, now I'm a disgruntled iSheep), I found these problems with Blackberry:
    1. Ergonomics - Touch was often very hard and mobile unresponsive.
    2. Overheating when playing games (there were only 2 of them, which brings me to 3rd point)
    3. all the apps were extremely costly
    4. battery wouldn't last
    5. had to pay extra for internet connectivity, when my sim had free internet.

    Unless Blackberry corrects these issues (issues like ergonomics are still missing from latest one), I don't think they'd be able to sway market.

    1. Re:My Issues with BB by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      5) must be a regional phone provider problem, never had it here in the UK on any blackberry. don;t see how its a "blackberry" problem

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    2. Re:My Issues with BB by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Storm 2 was an OS 5 phone. I'm amazed that people still hold a grudge against the company's entire product line because of it. I thought folks had forgotten about that by now.

    3. Re:My Issues with BB by Champaklal · · Score: 1

      I used Blackberry in 2009. I saw it had multiple issues, and as it was unlocked (I'm from India, and here you need to buy the phone at a higher cost than locked ones). The phones lacunae were very big deterrent for me to follow Blackberry at all. Why follow when their flagship phone (they had launched Torch just after that, and that too had bombed) is that bad. Apple quickly corrected it's shortcomings and I bought that in 2011. Now, I see pure android looks good to me, so I'm thinking of buying that.

  17. First, corporate, now an independent SW Architect by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    I use a Blackberry. A BB Bold, to be precise. It makes me look with pity upon iOS / Android / Windows Phone users. Security is tight, the OS is as stable as QNX ever was. Someone here complained about the thing getting hot when used for gaming. Heck - a BB is **not** a toy, you use it for doing business. Apps ? Over more than 2 years, I downloaded exactly 2, for very precisely described needs. All the rest I need ( email, contacts management, evernote, calendar, LinkedIn ) was **already** on the phone when I got it. If BB goes down, I'll have a major problem. If not, I'll be one of their staunchest supportes. But then again - I use NetBeans as an IDE, and drive a Saab :-)

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  18. Trust Blackberry? by sjbe · · Score: 1

    1. They don't spy on you and give all your data to Apple. 2. They don't spy on you and give all your data to Google.

    No I'm sure they give the data to someone else I'd rather not have it, like the NSA or foreign governments. If you actually trust any smartphone vendor to keep your data private you're being naive.

    3. They don't leak all your nude selfies to the internet as was recently demonstrated with many celebrities.

    Yeah that's a really big problem for most of us... [/sarcasm]

    Look, if you care about the security of your data, don't use smartphones.

    Fixed that for you.

    1. Re:Trust Blackberry? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      How soon people forget. RIM was very quick to roll over and give access to their servers in 2010, to the Saudis of all people: as reported by Reuters and LOTS of other news sources.

      RIM would share with Saudi Arabia the unique pin number and code for each BlackBerry registered there. That will allow authorities to read encrypted text sent via Messenger, an instant messaging service that's distinct from email sent on the BlackBerry.

      The arrangement would effectively give Saudi Arabia access to RIM's main server for Messenger, but only for communications to and from Saudi users, the source said..

      The Canadian company declined to comment, referring media to its earlier statement in which it said it "cooperates with all governments with a consistent standard."

      Just google for "rim gives government access to servers" India quickly got the same. The US and China? Yep!

      Significantly, DoT was pulled up by a parliamentary committee a week ago over liberal extensions given to RIM on providing messages to security agencies in a readable format. Unlike the intransigent stance it took in India, RIM had provided access to its services to the U.S. and China.

      The real question is, who doesn't have access to encrypted BBM messages?

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    2. Re:Trust Blackberry? by ControlsGeek · · Score: 1

      If the country in question has physical access to the server running Blackberry (BES) then they have the ability to eavesdrop on encrypted messages. That is why the German government developed their own encryption over the top and Blackberry bought that company. India was upset because the Blackberry servers were in Canada so they bought their own.

  19. My Issues with BB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just FYI:

    1) The touchscreens now are very different than the Storm's. Also, the software is entirely new and designed around touch support from day 1.

    2) No overheating issues on ANY modern Blackberry (Q10, Q5, Z10, or Z30)

    3) You can run Android apps. Pick any free one you want, no problem. You can even run Netflix.

    4) Battery life is about on par with modern smartphones. A little better than the Galaxy series.

    5) Not anymore. BlackBerry OS 10 does away with the need for any special wireless provisioning. Any SIM works fine.

    In other words, all your issues are fixed, and have been for about a year now.

  20. "Doing business" by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I use a Blackberry. A BB Bold, to be precise.

    I'm sorry. My mother had one of those. One of the worst interfaces on a smartphone I've ever had the miserable experience of using. Absolutely hated working with it when she needed something fixed.

    It makes me look with pity upon iOS / Android / Windows Phone users.

    Can you hear the sound of the rest of us not caring?

    a BB is **not** a toy, you use it for doing business

    I use my iPhone for "doing business" quite successfully thanks. I could say the same about quite a few Android phones I've worked with too. BB has precisely zero features that make it better than the alternatives for "doing business" that are relevant to me. It does however have quite a few things I don't like that make it worse for me for non-business use though.

    1. Re:"Doing business" by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      Interesting. This issue seems to have about the same potential to form the subject of a religion war as, say, programming languages, IDEs, editors or OSes. Very interesting.

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  21. Square phone for ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Square phones are for square people.

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  22. First, independent, now a corporate SW Architect by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

    That reeks of sour grapes. "I don't want to play the games I can't run! I don't want to download the apps that aren't available!"

    My iPhone is **not** a toy, I use it for doing business. I have roughly a zillion apps, for very precisely described needs. Only the bare basics were on the phone when I got it, and I was able to pick a great SSH client, slick personal finance app, excellent public transit apps, a nice RPN calculator, my bank's app (so I can deposit checks by taking pictures of them), Yelp for when I want to take my team to a good dinner on business trips, a few instant messengers (because I can't get all my friends to "upgrade" to the ones I like), a document scanner with OCR, our corporate chat client, an outstanding GTD system (wassup, OmniFocus?), and a passel of games for idling away downtime at the airport.

    I'm sure a BlackBerry would meet my needs if I had very few needs. But then again, I use Unix as an IDE and drive a minivan.

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  23. AMA: Blackberry User by CMYKjunkie · · Score: 1
    My workplace is BlackBerry only, and thus I have had various iterations since 2003. I had a Bold 9900 until June of this year when it was switched out for a Z10. As a mobile professional, I must disagree with OP's comment about the Bold being "the best" in that the Bold's major failing was the web browser and email attachment handling. Both were pitiful (I had the BB OS 5, not the later OS 7 models) and hampered my ability to work mobile, not helped. I often had to tell customers and colleagues "you'll have to wait until I get back to the office so I can see that/look at that link." Now with the Z10, it is WORLDS better. The browser and attachment handling apps are equal to the competition.

    Personally, I have an iPhone 5 and as it is now starting to suffer hardware problems (my model has both the "lock" button failure and the premature battery death problems) I had considered using the BB exclusively. On the plus side, the Z10 battery lasts all day -- ALL DAY -- the UI is very modern and usable, and the capability to use up to a 128 GB SD card is nice compared to my iPhone's locked in 16 GB which I constantly have full.

    The downside which keeps me from going to BB is still apps. I don't have many iOS apps but what I realized I do have that I cannot replace on BB OS are: native Gmail client, Amtrak (I do a lot of train travel), online banking, Netflix, PBS Kids (for the little ones to use at restaurants and such), and iTunes (seamless sync of music collection). I know some of those apps have substitutes or workarounds, but I will be frank: I don't want to have to f*ck around for it to just work. That is why I left Android after having one from 2010 - 2012 for the iPhone, it was too much crapware and hassle with my music collection.

    That's my story, so feel free to "Ask a BlackBerry User Anything" and I will give you my two cents.

    1. Re:AMA: Blackberry User by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Amtrak works (tested). Netflix works (tested). Most online banking apps work (it's rare for a bank to put the effort in to use proprietary Google extensions). PBS Parents Play and Learn works. Not substitutes or workarounds. Literally they are right there from the Amazon store which is built into the new phones. If you don't have it, just access it and it will install. We're not talking about fucking around, you're just using the real native apps. The Amazon store is a simple web install. I didn't provide instructions because it's really as easy as it seems, just try to go to it with the phone and it's done.

      Google native email doesn't work (proprietary Google code), iTunes doesn't work (duh). Living without iTunes, well, that depends on how you built your music collection. Living without the terrible email interface Android gives you is a blessing.

    2. Re:AMA: Blackberry User by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      My experience with the 9900 is only with OS 7 and then OS 7.1, the only notable difference to me was increase in battery life, making the stock battery tolerable. Never had any notable issues with viewing websites or attachments, other than the screen is tiny, though PPI is great. Even YouTube embeds work fine. I don't like the keyboard on the new X device and I have a fondness for physical buttons and trackpads. On the very rare occasion that the OS browser isn't playing well with a website, usually due to screen size and text flow, I just switch to Opera Mini, which magically renders the pages perfectly, though has as really crappy interface. I used the 8700c and then the 9000 before the 9900. I actually miss the jog dial for scrolling websites.

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  24. Those "journalists" were so right with phablets by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    so of course nobody could possibly be interested in this format either, right? I mean look at it! its like holding a piece of toast up to your ear. And who wants to be able to read a whole email without having to swipe left right up and down and lets not forget pinch and zoom. Thats just plain boring. And with this great economy we're in I can totally slack off at work and watch videos half the day so all those pixels best be showing my videos (and pron!)

  25. Re:Blackberry runs Android apps by Octorian · · Score: 1

    It might have been an older version in 10.0, but we're up to 10.3 now which is pretty much up-to-date in terms of Android support. (Even 10.2.1, which most currently-shipping devices run, is fairly up-to-date.)

  26. Re:Blackberry runs Android apps by wchin · · Score: 1

    The OS/2 effect is going strong. It worked so well for IBM, so Blackberry chose to adopt that strategy.

  27. No by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

    Been off of BB since the first iPhone came out. You're full of shit. Nothing in the AAW ecosystems can touch blackberry email/contacts/calendaring even after having almost a decade to catch up. I wouldn't go back to blackberry, but to claim it isn't a better alternative at those three tasks is either bold faced lying, or you've never actually owned a blackberry.

    1. Re:No by yabos · · Score: 2

      I personally don't "get it" how bb is better at those 3 things. Perhaps you can enlighten us?
      iPhone, Android, BB: All can send emails. You can argue whether the physical keyboard is better etc. but that's personal preference.
      iPhone, Android, BB: All can sync contacts. Not sure why one is better than the other.
      iPhone, Android(never used it but I believe?), BB: Can work with Exchange if you use that, calendars seamlessly sync between devices, computers, etc.
      All I have ever heard is BB is "better" at it, but no one says *why*.

  28. I watch the news by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You must have missed:

    This Or This (or countless others), any one of which is vastly worse than the things you list - only one of the items you list is a security issue. And the last one you list affects Android devices also (wow, a large flat object can be bent! How amazing!), not to mention the iCloud brute-force attempt was not even used to gather data, meanwhile Android has no real backup solution for users AT ALL. Way to spend a hideous weakness into a strength.

    Simply put, using Android is noting the very real threats to security faced on that platform, recommending it to a non-technical person is ethically the same as giving them walking directions through the worst part of town and laughing at they head off.

    I'll let you have the last response as you are blind to all weaknesses in your platform, just as lemmings are blind to the cliff ahead...

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    1. Re:I watch the news by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You kind of missed my point. Are Android users lemmings because they won't "buy Apple"? No. Today we're into commodity computing - pretty much all devices from the major makers do what people want, just as pretty much any computer today is good enough for most people. That being the case, are people being lemmings by voting with their wallet, to buy something that does everything they want for 1/4 the cost? I doubt it. My android spends a lot of time in my front jeans pocket, and hasn't bent yet. I even twisted it yesterday, just to see what would happen, and it returned to normal - which is what I expected considering I've dropped it on the street while running to catch a bus and it still looks new.

      Sure, no product is perfect - but Apple really stepped into it - 3 out of 15 stories on the front page were bad news for Apple - how often does that happen with Android? The same thing with the news - Apple's problems have made the major news outlets world-wide. Same thing with TV shows.

      And I guess you haven't ever used an Android - Settings | Backup and reset to back up my device, restore it, or reset it. Plus I can just drag whatever I want to/from my laptop, a USB stick or drive, or wherever if I don't want to trust Google's servers. And it's just a few taps to put it into developer mode. And I don't have to buy anything to develop apps for it. And I can load apps from anywhere without jail-breaking. What more does anyone need?

      Apple no longer makes a decidedly superior product, and have been playing catch-up in some aspects for several years now. NFC is a good example of this. Our transit system announced it was looking at an NFC app for payments well before the newest iPhone, so don't expect the iPhone to be the first to be supported, since it (1) has lower market share, and (2) didn't have NFC capability until now and (3) wants to be tied into Apple Pay instead of just emulating the transit's smart card, and being able to be topped up via my banking app, no trusting google or apple or any 3rd party.

      So why pay a premium for what is now an ordinary consumer product, one that no longer benefits from the "network effect" of "everyone else has one"? Lemmings do that :-)

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