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2015 Corvette Valet Mode Recorder Illegal In Some States
innocent_white_lamb writes: The 2015 Corvette has a Valet Mode that records audio and video when someone other than the owner is driving the car. Activating the Valet Mode allows you to record front-facing video as well as capture audio from within the car so you can help keep your Corvette safe when it's in the hands of others. Well, it turns out that recording audio from within the car may be considered a felony in some states that require notice and consent to individuals that they are being recorded. Now GM is sending notices out to dealerships and customers alerting them to this fact as well as promising a future update to the PDR system.
Isn't the inside of the car is privately owned by the owner of the car?
I'm sorry your Corvette is being cited for child pornography and its distribution....
I'll record whomever I want while they are inside it. There is no natural law obligation to get consent from someone who is driving *my* car.
This car monitored for quality assurance.
If you put a sign up in ALL your cars stating "Warning, some cars of this model may be have cameras that can recorded you." where the driver may see it, that would probably make it legal.
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Yeah, this seems like a pretty easy fix. Just a little message on the radio or clear sticker on the instrument panel. Done.
My car is a mobile extension of my home. By accepting my invitation to enter, you are accepting the moral and legal obligations that accompany, viz: you consent to being monitored, you consent to being recorded, and you promise to behave yourself lest the recordings be used against you in a civil or criminal claim.
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Just put a sticker on the window, kind of like the "oil change reminders" that says audio and video recording is taking place in the vehicle. I haven't looked at this car specifically, but nearly every late-model car has a display in the instrument cluster or the radio/nav system. Make it turn red with the text "Valet Mode - Audio and Video Recording in Progress" and problem solved. If the valet doesn't want to be subjected to the recording, then he can get back out, tell the driver he'll/she'll have to park the car themselves.
Sometimes the term "illegal" is used to mean "inadmissible as evidence in court." I thought one can record any audio anywhere, they just might not be able to use it in court.
Can someone with legal knowledge of this clarify?
Just put a sticky note on the mirror saying "This car may be internally monitored by video recording," and point it out when you give the car to the valet. That seems to be legal enough for customer service companies.
That is all.
it keeps them safe after the fact. I take it you have never used valet service or had your car in for work before. Its almost impossible to get a valet to fess up about a scratch on the car, or that he took the car out for a joyride. This camera is more about keeping valets honest than anything else
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Valet mode also locks storage compartments, and disables the stereo. corvette commercial hawking the feature
This eliminates all such worries this system is designed to prevent.
- For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
It would have to be conspicuous enough that it would be obvious to a prosecutor, judge, or whoever else enters the mix.
They can likely flash a warning on the console screen when this mode is active that would achieve that goal. Maybe even have a click through beforr it starts without much effort eiyh a firmware update.
Given the massive increase in CCTV installs in places like parking areas, can a valet make a convincing claim that they have an expectation of privacy on the job site?
Log in or piss off.
Nah just encrypt the audio channel. Which can be decrypted by the manufacturer upon a proper subpena. Most states allow exceptions if a recording is made exclusivly for legal purposes.
Take the recording out of the crashed car, to your desktop. Play back the recording up until a point where the car is near the tree. Then quickly hit a seek button that goes to another part of the video where the car is travelling down a safe unobstructed road. Click Save, eject, and then sneakernet the recording back to the car. Insert it and click load.
HTH.
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Valet mode can only be set when car is off. When enabled, as soon as the key is inserted the video starts recording with no audio. The screen flashes with the consent to be recorded message and a consent button to enable audio recording as well as enabling the car to be started. If the valet doesn't press consent, he can not start the car.
Any other method cannot guarantee that the valet was aware of the recording, especially since a different valet may retrieve the vehicle.
At least in Maryland and Illinois the wiretap laws have been ruled unconstitutional. So I would hope that GM's lawyers would first research the issue as they could run into the opposite of what they intend. In this day and age they can be looking at legal action from owners if such a feature is disabled in a state where such laws are unconstitutional. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-03-20/news/chi-supreme-court-eavesdropping-law-20140320_1_illinois-supreme-court-illinois-eavesdropping-act-cook-county-jail
It would have to be conspicuous enough that it would be obvious to a prosecutor, judge, or whoever else enters the mix.
Why does it have to be conspicuous? Just put it in a sealed box and tell the Judge he can see the EULA after he buys the car, after which point he will no longer be able to return the car. There is legal precedent.
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Uh, why?
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Would something like this on the dash display be obvious enough? "To ensure quality of valet service, this drive may be recorded. To consent to this recording and allow shifting out of PARK, press DOWN then UP on the center console directional control."
hell if it goes to the phone, you could watch it in real time if you were anal about it
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Man, just put the notice in the relevant states onto the keyfob itself. (Since the valet key is separate from the regular key.)
And as an added bonus, no need to recall or update firmware.
If monitoring is illegal by law, then insurance must be cost prohibitive.
Video is different. You can assume someone is watching you from a distance, even if they can't hear you.
This policy appears discriminatory toward speakers of sign languages.
When did a car stop being a car and become a computer on wheels?
When crash safety statutes, fuel economy statutes, and emissions statutes took effect.
Motor vehicles with manual transmissions still have a parking brake. Or is there some reason that this can't be interlocked?
Okay, I've worked as a valet. I've worked around other valets. Valets are like the police today. "Most of them are doing a good job and a few give them all a bad reputation." With me so far? What car can go anywhere? Your car! When it's being driven by a valet! If you're driving a sports car and parking is a few blocks away those guys are fighting to get to park your car instead of Grandpa's Cadillac next in line. Frankly, it's just too much fun. I'm not saying it's right or anything, but that IS reality.
Now the bigger problem here is that I don't for one second believe that the key is the only place in your car this can be activated from. It's a computer system. The computer checks the keys for instructions. The key does not control the car, the computer does. Tin foil hat time I suppose, but every technology that NSA/police get their hands on seems to end up being used to excess.
Car companies are already monitoring users remember?
Police proposal: We can protect the public by ending high speed chases!
I think I'll pass on in car audio video recording. At least from the factory.
Both parties have to agree to it.
Unless of course it's in public, but then it depends on who it is.
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It's nice the legislators give their preamble about protecting rights, when it's really about protecting themselves.
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Missed opportunity, there. It should turn the stereo on, and shuffle play Celine Dion's Greatest Hits at loud volume. Guaranteed to discourage joyriding, or any other kind of joy.
Log in or piss off.
Solution: dont buy a corvette or any other vehicle with such technology. In fact, the most technically advanced vehicles are 1990's and older vehicles because there is no technology in them the government (or anyone else) spying on your activities, remotely disabling your vehicle, tracking or engaging in any other privacy invading activities. The most advanced cars are the one's most difficult for others to control.
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