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Former Infosys Recruiter Says He Was Told Not To Hire US Workers
dcblogs writes: A lawsuit by four IT workers alleging that outsourcing firm Infosys favored hiring Indian workers over U.S. workers now includes an account from a former Infosys recruiter about the alleged practice. It includes accounts by Samuel Marrero, who worked in Infosys's talent acquisition unit from 2011 until May 2013, of meetings with executives at the India-based IT services firm. Marrero and other recruiters "frequently complained" to higher-ups at Infosys during these weekly calls that many of the highly qualified American candidates they had presented were being rejected in favor of Indian prospects. In response to one of these complaints, Infosys' global enterprise lead allegedly said, "Americans don't know $#!%," according to the lawsuit. Infosys has denied allegations that it discriminates.
Management doesn't know shit.
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If Infosys is in fact guilty of discriminating against American workers by refusing to hire American workers for American jobs, then such malfeasance should be punished by confiscation of all of Infosys assets located in the United States, and by banning Infosys or any subsidiary of Infosys from operating on American soil.
Unfortunately, we can't just kill Infosys because they are a foreign corporation based in India. But we can damn well kick them out, and we probably should.
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Americans can't compete in that arena.
In this case "can't" means not allowed to compete because they are discriminated against based on race.
Well, based on nationality, actually. American isn't a race.
Americans can't compete in that arena.
In this case "can't" means not allowed to compete because they are discriminated against based on race.
Actually, no... They are discriminated against based on salary expectations.
Have you been to Texas?
Have you seen how many companies that have outsourced to save money have ended up cancelling it because they need people that can actually do the work and not just phone answering list monkeys? There are more than a few.
Before any of the hypersensitive cretins that love to take everything the wrong way start yelling about racist comment or something equally inane, a "list monkey" is some that just reads down a list or script and displays no more skills than a trained monkey pushing buttons, aka a "list monkey". If you don't know what a trained monkey is, you are a sad excuse for someone that is supposed to be literate.
One American salary is still lower than the 35 Indian salaries and data breach penalties that you end up paying if you go the outsourcing route.
We had 3 American's replaced with 45 India Indian outsourced contractors, spent 6 months training (the outsourced people kept rotating out delaying the handover of the support), after the handover, within 6 hours, the accounts were off by over 160,000 dollars, by then end of the first day, they were off by almost 750k.
It took the same 3 American's about 6 days to fix all of the problems caused by the outsourced employees, and cost our company half a million in penalties because of the errors occurring in the first place.
Outsourcing never pays, unless you're in upper management and want to pad your golden parachute so you can leave before it fails due to your mismanagement.
But it also says they discriminated in favor of Indians.
What's amazes me is how surprised white people are when they find out that other groups don't believe in non-discrimination as much as they do.
Around the world hiring those from one's own group is pretty standard practice.
Harley-Davidson laid off 125 Americans and replaced them with people on H-1 visas from Infosys. H-D's biker customers aren't going to like this once the word gets out.
I would probably agree, given that the Indian government had to release a PSA music video called "Take the poo to the loo" in an effort to combat the epidemic of its citizens defecating in the streets. They definitely know their shit.
"Americans don't know $#!%"
If that's true, why is India scrambling to send all their children to U.S. colleges and universities? Sounds like just plain ole racism to me. I hope they get fined out the wazoo, have all their current contracts revoked and end up being banned from doing business in the U.S. (although the latter is probably never going to happen, we can dream).
Aren't they really discriminated against based on salary?
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Indians are not a single race (they call it subcontinent for a reason), and as a matter of fact they DO have some pure breed Aryans. Likewise, Americans are not a single race either, so if what its argued is accurate it means ** if the applicant is black, white, purple or for that matter an Indian living in America, he won't get the job and thats it.
So, yes is discrimination but based on geography, not even in race or nationality.
Actually, no... They are discriminated against based on salary expectations.
This. This right here.
I'm an American working for an Indian IT company in a middle management position. The company for which I work seems to believe that employee attrition is cost of doing business and although I'm compensated fairly (which was a pretty good trick all by itself), the majority of my peers and subordinates are not. I wouldn't blame any of them for leaving. If my company hadn't made things right with me I'd have left a year and a half ago.
Most companies based in India don't pay anywhere near market; that's how they win contracts. Sad to say, but the customer gets what he pays for; if you want to outsource and want American workers the customer has to be prepared to pay the price. There is one client at this location that requires their service desk to be all native speakers; since this will be staffed with all US employees they're gonna pay more than if the company had outsourced some or all of that service desk to India.
High employee attrition appears to be an acceptable business risk to most of these companies.
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they are discriminated against based on geography.
Wrong. These are US based jobs. They hired South Asian immigrants for jobs in America in preference to people of other races. Infosys has about 15,000 employees in America and 90% of them are South Asian. I doubt that happened by random chance.
Thats a different SPECIES. Please, don't mix your terms or the discussion will get confusing.
Aren't they really discriminated against based on salary?
If so, then that is also illegal. It is illegal for them to pay H1B employees less than they pay American residents with the same capability. So they cannot use the lower cost of H1Bs as a defense.
But it also says they discriminated in favor of potential H1-B servants.
Fixed that for you.
That's the story. Infosys is nothing more than an H1-B mill.
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Have you tried outsourcing within the US? We have to because of certain regulations? It's the same. Nothing to do with India or Indian outsourcers (or outsorcerors!). The business model of an outsourcing company is very similar to that of your building contractor. They'd like to stay on till the next big project is lined up and then they flee as fast as they can.
This can't be emphasized enough. Ignore the racist cries that the brown-skinned programmers aren't as good. The simple truth is: outsourcing blows goats. Hire your own, or move everything to the cloud if you must save a few bucks (and hire your own to stay on top of that).
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So, as long as I hire white South Africans, I don't have to have any negroes on my payroll?
Oh, what's that? There's more to the legal definition of "race" as it applies to anti-discrimination laws than a third-grade definition provided by an internet lawyer? Well! Imagine that!
Since this is for people working in the U.S. and the choice is between H1-B and a citizen, it is actually illegal for them to pay less than the typical American salary expectation.
Exactly. My company, based in the US, had [contractor name redacted] take over our IT. [contractor name redacted] is based in India. They slowly got rid of all the American IT employees over about 2 years and replaced them with Indian nationals. They would rotate them in an out based on whatever kind work visa they had. None of them ever really learned our system and eventually they had to hire back some of the Americans they got rid of.
Fortunately management has started to wake up and we're ditching [contractor name redacted] at the end of their contract.
Well attrition is NBD these days anyhow. Any time your stock price isn't high enough and the CEO wants to sell some shares to buy his next mansion or bonus time is coming and his $retarded bonus is directly related to share prices ... they just lay off a bunch of people to 'fix' the P/L and bump up the share price.
While above is trollish, it's also VERY much true. Layoffs almost invariably raise the stock price of a company so they've become yet another tool in doing business. Spending a career at one company is virtually unheard of in the US. It's a sad state of being.
Let's lay off 10% of our workforce and outsource another 15% (which basically means laying off 25% and giving some outsource company a fraction of what that 15% was paid). Hey look, we reduced our employee compensation costs by 20% ... now look at how much money the company is earning for investors! Go us! Woohoo! Stock market is on the riseeeeee...economy is doing welllllllll....things are all sunshineeeeeeee.....happy dance down the street
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Maybe on paper at first, but I had a team of Indian's replace me - I was a TAM (technical account manager for a really big software company). Basically it was 7 people replacing 1 person. I don't think those 7 people were cheaper than just me.
Also - I heard they lost nearly every single account I had - which was easily 12m a year in total.
No, the definition got screwed up years ago. "Native Americans" really should mean anyone born in America (North, Central, and South America).
I was born in America. I'm a native American. Take all the modern definitions and politically correct garbage and throw it out of the window.