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KDE Releases Plasma 5.1

jrepin notes the release of KDE Plasma 5.1. Quoting the release announcement: KDE Plasma 5.1 sports a wide variety of improvements, leading to greater stability, better performance and new and improved features. Thanks to the feedback of the community, KDE developers were able to package a large number of fixes and enhancements into this release, among which more complete and higher quality artwork following the new-in-5.0 Breeze style, re-addition of popular features such as the Icon Tasks taskswitcher and improved stability and performance.

Those traveling regularly will enjoy better support for time zones in the panel's clock, while those staying at home a revamped clipboard manager, allowing you to easily get at your past clipboard's content. The Breeze widget style is now also available for Qt4-based applications, leading to greater consistency across applications. The work to support Wayland as display server for Plasma is still ongoing, with improved, but not complete support in 5.1. Changes throughout many default components improve accessibility for visually impaired users by adding support for screenreaders and improved keyboard navigation. Aside from the visual improvements and the work on features, the focus of this release lies also on stability and performance improvements, with over 180 bugs resolved since 5.0 in the shell alone."

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  1. Does anyone still use Gnome? by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

    I'm just curious. I prefer KDE to Gnome, Windows to OSX, and coffee to tea.

    If you prefer Gnome to KDE, why?

    1. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither.
      I used KDE since 1.x releases, until the miserable experience of KDE 4.x versions made me to drop it for good.
      Gnome 2 was fine too, I just liked KDE better back then.

      Nowadays I use XFCE, which works perfectly for me.

    2. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find the upstream to be more active with a more rapid release cycle. Also good corporate backing. Accessibility. The developer experience, both in terms of tools and frameworks. And also I just like the look and feel better.

    3. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by juanfgs · · Score: 1

      After the initial gnome 3 fiasco I moved to kde now I run mate, but I think that gnome 3 is quite acceptable. The problem with KDE is that sometimes it's too distracting, and on other aspects is slow ( at least on my machine the file manager takes a while to load, meanwhile nautilus/caja loads instantly). Some of the functions of the programs offered by KDE don't actually work as intended ( at least in my experience). Some small things are annoying, for example when using the treeview in Kate, sometimes it has happened that I accidentally dragged a folder instead of clicking on it, and the editor loaded all the files inside, crashing in the process. Kate also has refused to open some files in write mode since it considers them to be too large, gEdit/Geany just open it and let me work. I like a lot of KDE stuff, however I find it kind of counterproductive to use, and slow/sluggish, specially the file manager.

    4. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by thieh · · Score: 1

      The only thing I don't like about XFCE is that the latest one comes out at like 2 years ago which is like 3-4 versions of distros using a 6-8 month release cycle.

    5. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the corporate backing is a huge win for GNOME. They have a nice bunch of sponsors to make sure that development and quality assurance moves forward in a good pace.

    6. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by DavidCBillen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I want to like KDE. I want to love it. It's good looking. But, for some reason, even though it's like falling off a log to write bug free code with Qt, KDE programs and tools seems riddled with issues. I've had to pitch more KDE apps than I care to think about, (i.e. Amarok, KDevelop). So I end up running gnome applications anyway - I may as well have things consistent. Anyway, I don't need or want much from a desktop other than to get out of my way and give me easy access to things. I just boot OpenBox with tint2 for a status bar and a customized popup menu. I've never been happier, not even on OSX.

    7. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 2

      Yes, KDE does certainly have some issues. No matter what I have tried, KATE simply does not seem to work well over SSH (and I've tried every Xwindows system under the sun: OSX, three different Windows X emulators, Ubuntu, et cetera).

      That is an annoying bug that has been part of KDE as long as I can remember, which is too bad, because I love KATE.

    8. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Dimwit · · Score: 1, Insightful

      KDE is too "busy". There's drop shadows everywhere and HUGE icons and constant distracting animations. Plus, it's the only desktop I've ever stat down at and couldn't immediately understand how to use it. What's an "Activity"? Is it a workspace? Without trying, I was able to get myself into a situation where I had zero controls on the screen and no idea how to get out of it. GNOME "just works".

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    9. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by CajunArson · · Score: 2

      Have you tried running Kate locally and accessing files remotely via the sftp:// KIO helper?

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    10. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      Yep, the corporate backing is a huge win for GNOME.

      WTF!?? Since when is corporate anything good just because it's corporate? Money is good, but who cares where it comes from? Anyway it seems that once a corporation has a part to play in things, it wants some sort of return. That's how they squeeze in the red tape, all over everything, and eventually make the project suck.

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    11. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by udippel · · Score: 1

      Some small things are annoying, for example when using the treeview in Kate, sometimes it has happened that I accidentally dragged a folder instead of clicking on it, and the editor loaded all the files inside, crashing in the process. Kate also has refused to open some files in write mode since it considers them to be too large, gEdit/Geany just open it and let me work.

      High time for a bug report, or two. Don't you think so?
      I can't, for these bugs, because I didn't run into them. And I prefer Kate compared to gEdit.

    12. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by udippel · · Score: 1

      Your ID is way too low to play on your alias.

      I *think* you could understand how to use it; though you could not easily understand how to use all its features. Correct me if I am wrong. KDE unfortunately loves to pop in new concepts, or even old ones, with hitherto unknown labels. Activity is one of those, and its further development was kind of abandoned before it was actually ripe to harvest. I for one use it, and curse it for being incomplete. Was it complete, you'd have not 2, 4 or 8 (identical) desktops, but 2, 4 or 8 totally different desktops, according one's current needs. Imagine one for photos. Not cluttered with other crap; just optimised for photos. Another for search and search results. One for when you happen to have a touch screen monitor. Maybe a kiosk-type desktop, if you wanted your kids or some stranger to just use a single application and not see your personal stuff immediately. That's the potential, though a half-hearted and half-done implementation prevents this from happening. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.... is an old, and inactive bug report on this misery. And then they want to compete with MS, the 'semantic desktop' and had some Nepomuk earlier, Akonadi, and since neither ever worked, now 'baloo', which is closer to the term that describes what it actually is. And impossible to deactivate, effectively.

      To me all this is just sad; on the best desktop that I know. Aside of Windows XP. With some serious focus in the project's intestines, it could be the best desktop that I know, among all that I know.

    13. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 0

      I installed MATE 1.8 last night a System76 Pangolin Performance laptop last night, and everything just felt right. Since I had used GNOME 2.x for a long time, using MATE felt like slipping into an old pair of boots.

    14. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by devent · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can deactivate all animations with 4 clicks. System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Animation Speed Instant -> Apply
      Huge icons? If the icons are too big click on the tool-bar and set Icon Size [x] Small.
      "understand how to use it" What? KDE 4 is like the desktop in KDE 1.
      ""Activity"? Is it a workspace?" Who cares, don't use it, don't worry about it.

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    15. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one has found the GNOME project to not suck, despite corporate backing.

    16. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      If you prefer Gnome to KDE, why?

      Well, I just dropped KDE today after trying it briefly. I noticed my system slowing down to a crawl after a while and after digging into it I noticed kded4 eating nearly 14GB RAM due to some memory-leak. Googling for the issue it seems to be an issue that's been around since 2010 or something. The suggested workaround -- disable power-saving service called "Powerdevil" -- didn't work, and no one on KDE's IRC-channel even tried to assist with the issue, so yeah, I dropped it.

    17. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by fnj · · Score: 1

      I think the shills and sycophants are just trying to get our goat. Don't take them seriously.

    18. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by fnj · · Score: 1

      Nail, meet hammer's head. Great post. You destroyed all the stupid carping very concisely.

      But I have an objection that is genuine, and it is a showstopper.

      There is only one thing that prevents me from using KDE. I have tried, oh how I have tried, and I love everything about KDE except this this one thing. Tthe icons in the goddam taskbar won't stay put! You can't keep track of the ordering to find them because the layout keeps changing! Annoying as hell and more, because I absolutely can't use it like that. And they refuse to fix it! All they have to do is make it work dead simply, like Gnome 2 always worked; like Mate works. But they have this fucking oh-so-intelligent sorting algorithm that keeps flipping around the layout. Ugh, just ugh.

      Undone by the simple refusal to fix one critical misfeature.

    19. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by blackpaw · · Score: 1

      Tthe icons in the goddam taskbar won't stay put! You can't keep track of the ordering to find them because the layout keeps changing! Annoying as hell and more, because I absolutely can't use it like that. And they refuse to fix it! All they have to do is make it work dead simply, like Gnome 2 always worked; like Mate works. But they have this fucking oh-so-intelligent sorting algorithm that keeps flipping around the layout. Ugh, just ugh.

      Undone by the simple refusal to fix one critical misfeature.

      Have you tried the icon only task bar? It doesn't swap icons around for me.

    20. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do I hate more than showy dweeby visual effects? Fucking oh-so-intelligent implementations. You gave me the final reason not to try KDE.

    21. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the open application window list? If so, just go to the taskbar settings and set it to "do not sort", in Debian at least it is set to sort "alphabetically" by default.

      Other than that particular way, and it behaves as soon as you apply the settings, I haven't noticed any movement on the taskbar.

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    22. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I prefer Kate compared to gEdit.

      You aren't the only one. It's one of the best editors around, and because of its KDE roots, it takes advantage of things like KIO treating non-filesystem sources like filesystems, and saved places for frequently used locations (including the KIO ones).

      On the gtk side, I'd take geany over gedit any day. Or if you deal with a lot of markdown, actually: geany has a good plugin for markdown previewing.

    23. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, KDE does certainly have some issues. No matter what I have tried, KATE simply does not seem to work well over SSH (and I've tried every Xwindows system under the sun: OSX, three different Windows X emulators, Ubuntu, et cetera).

      That is an annoying bug that has been part of KDE as long as I can remember, which is too bad, because I love KATE.

      That's a "feature" of modern UI toolkits and isn't just limited to KDE. They do a lot of pixmap pushing instead of using X primitives, so performance on some of the programs really sucks for non-local (or maybe LAN) use. Some Qt apps are especially bad about it, but it's a wider problem.

      Luckily you can avoid needing to do it at all with Kate. Like the other comment said, you can use KDE's KIO infrastructure to access remote systems from the local client.

      Basically, all paths have a protocol associated. The default is silently assumed to be file:// unless another is given, so it's largely invisible to novices. If you can sftp to a host, put sftp://user@host:port in the path bar (at the top) and it opens the filesystem remotely. Even if, somehow, you only have rsh or ssh access but can't sftp, you can use fish:// protocol in the same way. (ref.)

      You can see a list of the KIO slaves in KDE's help (khelpcenter), though not all of them are useful in all places. the man:/ slave lets you view any manpage in rekonq, konqueror, etc, HTML-formatted. Works in kate, too, but you'll just get the raw html. Likewise, you can open, say, http://google.com in kate to grab the page source, though you obviously can't save it.

      Then there's stuff like remote: for discovering and accessing remote shares, like remote:/, smb:/, and nfs:/. local CGI via cgi:, programs:/ and fonts:/ for local apps and fonts, etc. It does a lot of interesting stuff and goes a long way toward making KDE network-transparent. KIO is one of the big things that keeps me using KDE apps.

    24. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KDE has something like 3-4 different task managers that you can use interchangeably, each with different options and some far more configurable than others. The one I prefer, "Smooth Tasks", has sorting options you can choose, including "do not sort" and "manual" options. The icon-only task manager (basically a Unity-style one) has the same options, so it's possible the others have sorting choices as wel..

      Poke around in the options for the taskbar you're using, KDE's nothing if not flexible. I've got 3 instances of "smooth tasks" on three different displays, each showing only the apps that are on their relevant monitors, and a fourth display using "icon only task manager" and likewise only displaying its own apps. Hell, you can even put the task manager widgets on the desktop directly and avoid using a panel completely if you want.

    25. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      i don't believe a word of that post

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    26. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      And what reason would I have to lie about it?

    27. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      This doesn't deactivate the slider animation in the K menu or the slow opening of the top-right corner plasma widget.

    28. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you are a loser?

      14 GB of RAM?

      Fucking liar. A memory leak like that would have made a huge splash on the bug tracker and made the news.

    29. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gnome has sucked ass since day 1.

      I for one will be happy when it is dead.

    30. Re:Does anyone still use Gnome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the fuck uses Kdevelop and why would you use whatever shitty IDE that gnome has?

      W T F?

      Clementine is hands down the best music player ever.

      I blacklist all gnome libs and apps and have a better system for it.

  2. PHP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://www.kde.org/announceme...

    Is that PHP code in the lower right Clipboard thing supposed to be there?

    1. Re:PHP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    2. Re:PHP by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      It's displaying clipboard history. Why not? Looks like the user has been copy/pasting a bit of code. Pretty common.

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  3. Convergence...? by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are the KDE/Gnome wars winding down yet? It seems like both have made a lot of progress in recent years, to the point where both are pretty solid and flexible. Is there really a "difference" anymore for the average user?

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    1. Re:Convergence...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      GNOME won, that was pretty much it.

    2. Re:Convergence...? by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      Dell released boxes running Ubuntu a while back. Ubuntu uses Gnome, as far as I know. So for many, Gnome was the first desktop experience for many new Linux users.

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    3. Re:Convergence...? by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu uses Unity by default, not Gnome.

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    4. Re:Convergence...? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Now. It used Gnome 2 when Dell started selling Ubuntu computers.

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    5. Re:Convergence...? by fnj · · Score: 2

      GNOME won, that was pretty much it.

      And then committed hara-kiri. Sayonara, Gnome.

  4. Performance improvements by gTsiros · · Score: 2, Funny

    someone explain to me why each newer version is progressively slower on the same hardware as time goes by? If we were to believe the continuous performance improvements, this thing would hit 120 fps on a 286 by now.

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    1. Re:Performance improvements by Nimey · · Score: 2

      I know! It's terrible that I can't run the newest software on my 90 MHz Pentium with 32MB of RAM. I mean, Firefox 2.0 takes /35 seconds/ to start on the poor old thing, that's just unacceptable.

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    2. Re:Performance improvements by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Due to the vast amount of different hardware and software configurations out there, performance improvements won't necessarily apply to everyone, and may even be regressions for some.

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    3. Re:Performance improvements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the same reason you can't run Windows 8 on a 286.

  5. Bring back KDE3 by danbuter · · Score: 1

    KDE3 was my favorite DE. KDE4 got me to drop KDE altogether. I know there was an attempt to fork 3, but it seems to have died. It's too bad.

    1. Re:Bring back KDE3 by TheCycoONE · · Score: 4, Informative

      Trinity Desktop Environment isn't dead: when I wrote this the last git update was 5 minutes ago (https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/). It's just very very niche, so don't expect much help from your distro.

      It's probably easiest to try out on Arch Linux: https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind...

    2. Re:Bring back KDE3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I felt the same way when KDE4 was first released. However, they have made great strides in make KDE4 stable and powerful. Try it again and read about the features; I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

    3. Re:Bring back KDE3 by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      I felt the same way... at least for 4.1/4.2/and early 4.3. Then I installed trinity after using KDE4.x for a while and my eyes wanted to bleed from the old jagged rendering and ugly aged looking icons. Felt great, just like an old friend, but it was fugly as hell.

      Thankfully KDE4.x started to improve along the way and is just as comfortable now as 3.x was back in the day. You should check it out once again... just use the "desktop with icons" activity from the activity switcher if your distro doesn't have that as the default.

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    4. Re:Bring back KDE3 by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      serves you right for installing development versions of desktop software

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    5. Re:Bring back KDE3 by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      One option left is to defect to North Korea and learn the language, where they still use KDE 3!
      The young and intrepid dear leader made a Mac OS clone out of it, using his outstanding mind and will. So you'll have to like it. On the plus side there is really no option of not liking it. There's an actual benevolent dictator for life.
      If Red Star OS 4.0 doesn't switch to systemd, it will really be time to pack and leave.

  6. Not so much winding down as becoming moot. by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    The Linux desktop wars mattered when Linux was the future of the desktop.

    Now that the desktop has a much smaller future, and Linux clearly doesn't play much of a role even in this drastically reduced future, it's just that KDE and GNOME really don't matter much.

    Desktop Linux is a niche product, and it behaves like one—adoption is vendor-driven, and clients use whatever the vendor supplies.

    For individual Linux users, things haven't moved in half a decade or more. Linux is still a mostly complete operating system with mostly working desktops. None of it is very polished (polish, as always, is just a couple years off in the future). Significant time and customization are required to make any stock distro+DE work well, things are generally cluttered, kludgy, and opaque, and for the hobbyist that fits the profile—the sort of person that will actually put up with and use this kind of computing environment—one or the other (KDE or GNOME) is already a clear favorite and this isn't likely to change.

    Of course there is also the developer group, probably Linux's largest cohort of "serious" users on the desktop, but they just plain don't care much about which DE is installed. They're much more concerned with toolchains and versions of environment components.

    So the KDE vs. GNOME thing is just plain...not that big a deal any longer, for most anyone.

    The only possibly interesting development in a very long time is Elementary OS, which appears to have adopted a different philosophy from the one traditionally associated with Linux development/packaging groups. But whether this will ultimately translate into an important operating system and user experience, with its brand that supersedes the branding of the desktop environment itself, remains to be seen.

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    1. Re:Not so much winding down as becoming moot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious have you used the new GNOME or KDE 4?

    2. Re:Not so much winding down as becoming moot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That description applies to all desktop systems I know about. Mac OS X, Windows, Linux... All are ugly, cluttered, kludgy, and opaque, and need a truly dedicated person to put up with their issues.

    3. Re:Not so much winding down as becoming moot. by Sri+Ramkrishna · · Score: 1

      I think after 3 years, I don't think GNOME is new anymore.

  7. KDE3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KDE3.

    The rest is a suicide. Plasma clocks, if you minimize all your windows. FUBAR.

  8. Looks like a nice Cinnamon clone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously though...visuals are nice...but have they simplified their UI?

    I was running on KDE for a while and trying to customize a keyboard shortcut would lead you through a maze of separate windows, with additional dropdowns within each of them, etc. Compared to the simplicity of setting up a customized keyboard shortcut in XFCE, it was like night and day.

    I hope they not only pay attention to eye candy but also make the configuration a bit simpler. It's got far too many bells and whistles in some areas.

    1. Re:Looks like a nice Cinnamon clone by craigminah · · Score: 1

      I really like Cinnamon which to me seems like a leaner version of KDE. Effective, looks good, not too much crap going on (e.g. animations and other BS).

  9. Has multiple X screen handling been fixed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since 4.x multiple X screens have numerous bugs which make KDE insecure; there's no indication the developers are even interested in multi-screen configurations from the responses I've had when reporting bugs or proposing patches.

    For example, the greeter/screensaver is always drawn on X screen 0 leaving X screens 1+ on view. When 3D acceleration is enabled kwin doesn't use it for all X screens, instead seeming to randomly decide which X screens to use it with regardless of the global or per-screen settings. Screens other than 0 use the X server "X" pointer rather than that defined in the theme.

    1. Re:Has multiple X screen handling been fixed yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not. The focus is almost entirely on multiple displays stitched together into a single X screen, xinerama- or twinview-style. Last time I looked into it they didn't have any developers that actually used multiple X screens in a single KDE session, so nobody tested for that use case.

      I prefer the stitched display method any way, so it hasn't bothered me much. In the rare cases where I need separate X screens I just use a different window manager, the apps themselves still work fine.

  10. I have been using KDE since 3.x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And still use it, the first few versions of 4 were rough but since 4.4 or so it has been rock solid.

    My biggest gripe is that I still have no clue what activities are for and why I should care. Apparently, the KDE folks don't have a clue because they have yet to put out a paper on what it is exactly.

    Good thing it is not required.

    Oh yeah, Amarok sucks dick. The Amarok "devs" said it was impossible to translate the awesome Amarok for KDE 3 to KDE 4 because of different libs. The folks working on Clementine proved them wrong and showed how incompetent the Amarok "devs" are.

    The UI for Amarok is butt-ugly and barely usable, but what killed it for me is, I forget the version this happened, when it started up it used over 500 MB of RAM and was doing nothing but waiting for me to kill it or push play. Fuck Amarok and its incompetent "devs". The KDE project needs to eject that app out from under the KDE umbrella and tell the "devs" to get fucked and more to the gnome, systemd, or windows teams. They appreciate incompetence.