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Warner Brothers Announces 10 New DC Comics Movies

wired_parrot writes After being criticized for being slow to respond to Marvel's string of blockbuster superhero movies, Warner Brothers finally announced their plan for DC comic universe movie franchise. Yesterday at their annual shareholder meeting, WB announced 10 DC comics movies. The studio has unveiled an ambitious schedule that features two Justice League films, plus standalone titles for Wonder Woman, Flash, Shazam (Captain Marvel), Green Lantern, Cyborg and even Aquaman. Also announced were plans for 3 Lego movies and a three-part Harry Potter spinoff.

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  1. To quote TBBT by xystren · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aquaman sucks!

    1. Re:To quote TBBT by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

      Raj Koothrapali: Dude, nobody wants to be Aquaman.

    2. Re:To quote TBBT by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      They should get Adrian Grenier to star as Aquaman.

      It couldn't make it any more of a flop, and it would at least have some comedic value.

    3. Re:To quote TBBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hand in your card.

    4. Re:To quote TBBT by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      More like Grenier playing Vincent Chase playing Aquaman.

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    5. Re:To quote TBBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Aquaman sucks!

      Bring back Josie and the Pussycats as a live action film. :)

    6. Re:To quote TBBT by Zxern · · Score: 1
    7. Re:To quote TBBT by geekoid · · Score: 1

      He saved Superman's ass.

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    8. Re:To quote TBBT by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      Whoa there, have you actually seen any good Aquaman related material? I mean, besides some campy old cartoon from decades ago? Bulletproof, super strength, super speed, the standard suite of DC powers, along with some magical abilities, ruler of a kingdom, master of the seas...and yeah, command of marine life.

      If you don't know much about Aquaman I suggest reading over this or this to understand. Aquaman kicks ass. The common kneejerk 'Aquaman sucks' thing is not accurate.

    9. Re:To quote TBBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Justice League Unlimited had also had a good portrayal of him in the few episodes where he was featured. The writers remembered that being able to survive in the crushing deep sea would require a lot of secondary super powers that were just as useful on land.

    10. Re:To quote TBBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the Aquaman should meet the Seaman in the dark, foaming abyss of a shark hurricane.

    11. Re:To quote TBBT by markhb · · Score: 1

      They've confirmed it will be Jason Momoa.

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    12. Re:To quote TBBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more like aquadouche.

    13. Re:To quote TBBT by LienRag · · Score: 1

      You don't know how to spin it, is all...

  2. Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everything these days is reboots, reboots of reboots, sequels, prequels, sequels to prequels, prequels to sequels, comic book adaptations, games adaptations, movies made from tv series, remakes, remakes of remakes, japanese remakes.

    Seems like they're not even trying anymore.

    1. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Calydor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where does Game of Thrones fit in that list? Or do adaptations of books also count?

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    2. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      GoT is a tv series, AFAIK, not a movie. And book adaptations have been a staple of filmmaking since way back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth.

    3. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Most of the "new" stories (or characters or books or whatever) were just repackaged versions of some older story anyway.

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    4. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      Everything these days is reboots, reboots of reboots, sequels, prequels, sequels to prequels, prequels to sequels, comic book adaptations, games adaptations, movies made from tv series, remakes, remakes of remakes, japanese remakes.

      Seems like they're not even trying anymore.

      That has always been the case. When I say The Wizard of Oz, the movie you are thinking of was the fifth one made, making it just a reboot. Do you know how many Tarzan, Jackie Chan, and other characters that had endless series of reboots, sequels, and prequels there were in the history of film? They're always trying and this is what you get. If you think you can do better, start writing screen plays or form a production company and make your millions.

    5. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Lets see the last several movies I went to:

      Lego movie -- creative and fun movie, based on lego, of course, but I didn't see that on your list of complaints.

      Guardians of the Galaxy -- comic book inspired (although I'd never read nor heard of it before)

      Edge of Tomorrow -- unless it was a Japanese remake this seemed pretty original. Sure it had elements of Groundhog day but to call it a reboot of groundhog day would be stretching it. ;)

      Wreck-It-Ralph -- original, featured 2ndary characters from a variety of existing games

      Hobbit II - based on the Hobbit and LotR appendixes + sequel

      Hunger Games 2 - book adaptation / sequel? (or just adaptation of book 2?)

      Looper - original work?

      Django - original?

      Star Trek Into Darkness - reboot/remake and sequel all in one

      Despicable Me 2 - original sequel

      Frozen - original (and ok, by now its probably clear I have kids)

      Hugo - original?

      Tinker Tailer Soldier Spy - apparently a book adaptation

      Seriously -- while I don't dispute that there are a lot of reboots and sequels and such out there, there's lots of good original work and/or novel adaptations that aren't sequels and reboots. Overall I'd say this has been a great decade...

    6. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      Seems like they're not even trying anymore.

      Oh, they're trying alright, but how many ideas for movies can there even be? By the time I was 6 (I'm from the 70's) I knew that eventually movies wouldn't be a thing as they once were. I figured that one day movies and games would merge. When I first saw that game "Dragon's Lair" I thought it'd begun. I was obviously wrong.

      It seems like people take movies less seriously than they used to, and there really aren't that many ideas for movies that'd be very interesting. The result is that movies are stuck either trying to please the older crowd with sequels/prequels (where's "E.T. 2"), or will end up being about something that takes so much consideration that the movie isn't fun to watch ("Primer" anyone?).

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    7. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or do adaptations of books also count?

      As long as no one fucks up another book-made-into-movie as they did with HHGTTG.

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    8. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      Oh puh-lease, G.R.R. Martin put all the mental effort. All the producers had to do was not fuck it up with bad cast options and script changes for "appealing to the target audience".

    9. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days, they're not even bothering with the repackaging.

    10. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by geekoid · · Score: 2

      every thing suck!
      what about these great things?
      Those don't count.

      Grow up.

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    11. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      you are wrong. Movies have always been like this.
      I'm from the 60's.
      Lets list some great 70's culture, shall we?
      Six Million Dollar Man -from a book.
      Planet of the Apes - Book
      Soylent Green - Book.
      The Godfather - book
      Spaghetti westerns? Many of them are remakes.
      I could go on and on.

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    12. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Or worst, The Postman by David Brin.

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    13. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Deadstick · · Score: 1, Informative

      When I say The Wizard of Oz, the movie you are thinking of was the fifth one made, making it just a reboot.

      And it was crap. MGM took a magnificent kids' adventure story and turned it into a frothy, brainless musical...then they crowned their travesty by tacking on an "It was all a dream" ending.

      46 years later, Disney of all people made a real Oz story, Return to Oz, from two of the later books...and the critics savaged it because it was dark and scary and didn't have any singing and dancing.

    14. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gone with the Wind
      Psycho
      Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
      The Godfather
      Jaws
      The Exorcist
      The Adventures of Robin Hood
      For Whom The Bell Tolls
      Amadeus
      2001: A Space Odyssey
      The Shining
      A Clockwork Orange
      Rear Window
      The Dirty Dozen
      Flash Gordon

      Hollywood has always been so.

    15. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Scot+Seese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No..

      Actually, patrons are mentally bankrupt. Hollywood puts original content in front of audiences every now and then, and it underwhelms at the box office.

      Brand familiarity and the powerful psychological pull it has on consumers are just as responsible for you wanting to see the next Star Trek movie as you are likely to keep buying the same laundry detergent.

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    16. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by westlake · · Score: 1

      Frozen - original (and ok, by now its probably clear I have kids)

      I don't think you have to apologize for liking Wreak-It Ralph or Frozen. WIR's comic demolition of the state-of-the-art first-person shooter was alone worth the price of entry.

      To Ralph, playing straight man: "One more, one more. Why did the hero flush the toilet..."

    17. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by tepples · · Score: 1

      Would it have been better if it were based on Ardiente paciencia by Antonio Skármeta?

    18. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in all that most Americans still haven't learned how to read a book!

    19. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      The book has significant departures from the radio play to accommodate the needs of a written text. Which one is authoritative? Douglas Adams is on record as having approved the changes made for the movie, recognizing that storytelling needs to make allowances for the media it is presented in. That being said the movie could have been better.

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    20. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they are.... I can't wait for the Tetris movie!

    21. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Agreed. There's still plenty of interesting movies out of there.

      Some of it is that they aren't necessarily hitting the theaters--or staying very long. Speaking for myself, If I'm going to pay $12 for a movie, it better be a blockbuster. It better be huge, explosive, with lots of action and adventure. Otherwise, I'll wait for it to come out on Redbox, Pay-per-View, or HBO/Showtime/Epix and watch it on my TV.

    22. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      Hollywood is mentally bankrupt!
      What about these great things?
      Hollywood didn't put any mental effort in them.
      Personal attack!

      FTFY

    23. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I had no idea the Six Million Dollar Man was based on a book.

      I think those who grew up in the 80's were spoiled somewhat by a lot of original characters and stories from Spielberg and Lucas. You are quite right though. Of the AFI's top 10 films of all time, 7 are based on books, and oneof the others (Lawrence of Arabia) is biographical. Only Citizen Kane and Singing In The Rain are original.

    24. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by aevan · · Score: 1

      Depending on your definition of original. Frozen has strong elements from The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson. I wouldn't go as far as some and claim it's a ripoff, but the inspiration is clearly there (it robbed me of a lot of outrage, I had been planning to lambast them for another 'theft we will claim is original then copyright for eternity'... but was pleasantly surprised).

    25. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by aevan · · Score: 1

      This. So very much this.

      Formula is formula because it's proven to work. If audiences truly were wanting something different, they'd be in the indie festivals, at the small off-beat theaters, or happily watching things with subtitles and so forth. Instead (it seems) they just want fast hard simple plots with lots of explosions and beautiful people. Or infantile fart jokes. Hollywood just sees 'everyone is wanting Super Heroes, we'll make Variation #245 on SuperHero Plotmachine'. "This year is fairy tales. What can we remake/reimage next?'

      I just get annoyed when they remake a movie or such that isn't even 5 years old.

    26. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Lego movie -- creative and fun movie, based on lego, of course, but I didn't see that on your list of complaints.

      Well, I'll complain. Lego movies are proof of the death of creativity. Whatever happened to playing with Lego? I guess as expensive as they are, cinema trips are actually cheaper. Them little plastic bricks are expensive.

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    27. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Jackie Chan is the actor, not the character. Most of his films were one-offs with original stories, although there were some series. The Police Story trilogy is excellent, by the way.

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    28. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I think what annoys people are lame reboots like Robocop, or the fact that they made three shit Spiderman movies and then decided to make another three that were only marginally better due to contractual obligations. The worst part of that debacle is that when Marvel does Civil War they might not even be able to use Spider Man, one of the most important characters, due to Sony clinging on to the rights.

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    29. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good narrative will always do well. Some of the best movies I have seen are foreign movies with subtitles made on a limited budget.

      The problem is that Hollywood puts a unique script out there and decides to spend $20 million on an A list actor. Star Wars was made great with a cast of low cast actors (granted some were known). But today, can you imagine casting a figure skater as THE lead role in Star Wars? Luke was cast perfectly and he made the movie as far as I am concerned (even with all the whining)

      Nightwatch and Daywatch are some good examples.

    30. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Jackie Chan is the actor, not the character. Most of his films were one-offs with original stories, although there were some series. The Police Story trilogy is excellent, by the way.

      Sorry, I meant to say Chralie Chan.

    31. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      When I say The Wizard of Oz, the movie you are thinking of was the fifth one made, making it just a reboot.

      And it was crap. MGM took a magnificent kids' adventure story and turned it into a frothy, brainless musical...then they crowned their travesty by tacking on an "It was all a dream" ending.

      46 years later, Disney of all people made a real Oz story, Return to Oz, from two of the later books...and the critics savaged it because it was dark and scary and didn't have any singing and dancing.

      Thank you for supporting my point. Hollywood has always been like they are now. The current era is not anything special.

    32. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as no one fucks up another book-made-into-movie as they did with HHGTTG.

      Are you SERIOUS? HHGttG is impossible to fuck up. Look at the "Canon" . . . Books, later books, radio play, miniseries, (text) video game.

      The movie fits in perfectly with the Canon, in that, there is no Canon, just a lot of really great jokes and gags all rolled in to one.

      No, on that topic, I submit that the entire set of books should be made into an adapted set of movies, then rebooted. Hell, stir in some of the dissertations from Salmon of Doubt in at arbitrary intervals in the movies and you'll truly have an Adamsian movie.

    33. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy Hooker Goes To The Grocery?

    34. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I had no idea the Six Million Dollar Man was based on a book.

      You can read about it here. Being a nerd in high school that di things like read novelizations of TV shows (the Srt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Band one actually made sense out of the movie), I got it and tried to read it. I seem to remember giving up halfway through as he was still recovering from the crash and in the middle of a very dry discussion on how well he can use his remaining body parts as he crawled around in his hospital room.

    35. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by vux984 · · Score: 1

      " Lego movies are proof of the death of creativity."

      Given that half the message of the movie was to encourage people to be creative I don't think your complaint holds a lot of water.

      " Them little plastic bricks are expensive."

      On the upside they seem to last pretty much forever, and buying assorted bulk on craigslist and ebay works well when you just want to add some 'mass' to your lego pile. :)

    36. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I think what annoys people are lame reboots like Robocop

      Crappy movies are crappy.

      I liked the Dredd remake far more than the Stallone original. And I enjoy both Total Recall movies. I'm not of the opinion that once a book or franchise has been done, that it necessarily must never be done again. (Sure I'd be upset if that's ALL they did, but its not...so I'm not.)

      Hell, I'm anxiously waiting for enough time to pass for them to considering doing another Minority Report adaptation because the one we have now utterly ruined it.

      or the fact that they made three shit Spiderman movies and then decided to make another three that were only marginally better due to contractual obligations.

      True. On the other hand nobody made me watch them all, and I only bothered with the first 2 of the six, and of those only thought the first was worth watching, and only then because of Molino and Dafoe .:)

    37. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Not Just Movies

      There’s a weird homogenization of time into a post-millennial stasis. The future of ideas doesn't seem to be linear, rather it's looking like an asymptotic curve. Every other movie is a reboot or a remake. Look at the change in fashion from the first season of the Brady Bunch to the last season, totally different clothing, but if we saw someone from 2007 we wouldn’t be taken aback by their clothes or style. I think fashion was really a 20th Century phenomenon, and what we have now is just trends recycling the styles of the 20s-90s in shorter and shorter cycles, i.e The Ironic Hipster’ who embodies the eclectic nostalgia of the past decades all rolled into one.

      There is the pre-Ironic era ending somewhere towards the late 90s, and then the post-Ironic era after the millennium. This is an important point because notice that you can only remake/reboot pre-ironic art and styles, that is why all the big Film remakes are things like GhostBusters, Ninja Turtles and so forth. You can’t really reboot post-irony, say something from 2005 because it would be like a hipster parodying another hipster, it would be redundant.

      No one's going to throw an ironic 'noughties' themed party in the future. Would you dress up as an iphone or a hipster? A hipster already is the embodiment of ironic eclectic nostalgia of past decades. It would be like a hipster band covering another hipster band. We've reached the end of trend.

      The future that Sci-fi promised was something else, it was flying cars and so forth, jump suits, warp drives, and that sort of thing. That Sci-fi future was actually more about aesthetic than technology or a particular date like 2030. Aesthetic in the sense of walking outside and seeing white jump suits, glass buildings and jetpaks etc. In other words you only arrived in that future by seeing it in front of you, stylized as art, a particular look. We will never be in the future until it looks like the future, by consensus.

      Waiting for the next iPhone is sort of a symbol of the linear future. However what people aren't seeing is that all the component improvements on the iPhone are now on a sharp curve towards 'good enough'. For a screen that small how much more resolution can the human eye use, for consumers how much better does the camera need to be etc. In other words beyond a couple more generations the iPhone will be good enough and the consumer fetish spin-doctors won't be able to convince you that there is something worth buying anymore. This is a metaphor for all other things too. I think the flurry of upgrade enthusiasm for the iPhone 6 will probably be the last of its kind. People are calling the new ipad incremental and redundant. As Terence Mckenna said ‘Surely the future isn’t just about clearer televisions’.

      So it's almost as if we are in some PKD Bizarro pocket-dimension that is a pseudo simulation of the world as it was in 1999, some sort of stasis bubble, the surface of which is getting very thin. People tend to eschew this line of thinking because it is teleological and sounds apocalyptic, but all this phenomenon can't really be explained away.

    38. Re:Hollywood is mentally bankrupt by samwichse · · Score: 1

      "She's programmed with the most tragic backstory ever..."

  3. *Yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't even download.

  4. Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    He's a weird guy with a creepy fish fetish. Talking to the fish isn't a super power. I thought superhero films would have been dead by now.

    1. Re:Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by Himmy32 · · Score: 1

      Just a lame copy of Namor the Sub-Mariner

    2. Re:Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will probably be like an Ace Ventura spinoff.

    3. Re:Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

      Hey don't forget he can breath underwater by inhaling his fart bubbles ... that's a power of a sorts.

    4. Re:Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if Birdman and Nightcrawler can get oscarbait movies, I can't see why Aquaman couldn't...

    5. Re:Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling he may come out a little different with Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo) in the role.

    6. Re:Aquaman isn't really even a superhero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd prefer to watch a movie about some crazy guy who talks to fishes (who of course do not understand him) and thinks he has superpowers than a movie about boring heroes like Superman who have every power imaginable. Maybe the crazy Aquaman could be like a lighter version of Defendor.

  5. Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "and a three-part Harry Potter spinoff."

    Gotta keep beating that dead horse...

    1. Re:Ugh.. by kwiqsilver · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think of it like a piñata that drops millions of dollars every time you hit it.

      I wouldn't let go of the stick, until they yanked it from my hands.

    2. Re:Ugh.. by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I wish my dead horses each grossed roughly 1BN worldwide, and that my last dead horse reviewed better than the 7 previous and was the #4 worldwide highest grossing dead horse of all time.

    3. Re:Ugh.. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      "I'm not dead yet!"
      -or-
      "Only a "mostly" dead horse...."

      Depending on whether you prefer snakes or princesses....

    4. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't horses, they're called thesterals and I wouldn't beat one if I were you, they can be mean.

    5. Re:Ugh.. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If they were dead horses, they wouldn't be making any money.
      Fucking hipster.

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    6. Re:Ugh.. by Kilo+Kilo · · Score: 1

      Is that the horse from the play Daniel Radcliffe was in? Seriously, how many times with the horses?

    7. Re:Ugh.. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      "and a three-part Harry Potter spinoff."

      Gotta keep beating that dead horse...

      Are any of these horses alive? It's a horse epidemic of deathly proportions!

      There are actually nine horses. They are undead and carry around the nazgul who are enslaved by voldemort.

    8. Re:Ugh.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If they were dead horses, they wouldn't be making any money.

      It's perfectly possible to make money from dead horses, as Tesco proved.

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  6. more GrandFathers in the back row by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    that's where the chaperone/driver sits.

  7. Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "and a three-part Harry Potter spinoff."

    Gotta keep beating that dead horse...

    Are any of these horses alive? It's a horse epidemic of deathly proportions!

  8. Comics movies suck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grow up, America.

  9. I don't get it... by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I never read comics when I was a kid.(well, thats not true, I read Heavy Metal)
    I read sci-fi(Niven, Asimov, Bradbury, etc) and fantasy(Tolkien, Lovecraft, Howard, etc).
    I don't get this thing with comics. Most of the comic book based films are ok at best...
    Are they really going to make that many comic book based films?
    That is just sad.

    There are so many good sci-fi and fantasy books/stories out there.
    It would be nice if something not ending in "man" was made into a film.

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    1. Re:I don't get it... by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am no expert, but I believe it's because they are easy.

      They are easy to pitch. You just use the comic book to explain the concept.

      They are easy to script. Logic and reason fly out the window. You don't want mutants to be exterminated ? Declare war on the U.S. in their name.

      The action scenes and big explosions are built in. Just take it straight from the storyboard aka comic book.

      They have a built in market. Pre sold to the comic fans.

      The people that go to them don't expect much and hence are rarely disappointed

    2. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comics are something every American can appreciate, judging from the fact that they are box office gold. Well, Marvel Comics at least, as Watchmen did poorly and I don't expect most of these DC adaptations to show the same kind of success as Marvel. However, the authors you refer to (Niven, Asimov, Bradbury) appeal mainly to a crowd of Poindexters. It's no surprise that people on a News for Nerds site would clamor for film adaptations, but please try to remember that everything isn't you, and this kind of literature scares a lot of your fellow Americans away, both because of its obtuse themes and because of the Aspie readership is associated with.

    3. Re:I don't get it... by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The people that go to them don't expect much and hence are rarely disappointed

      That about sums it up!

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    4. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, hear!

      Easy one: Some major studio should pick up Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos options and do each book as a movie. The first few would be wicked awesome! This can, and will make some lucky studio a *lot* of cash if it is done well.

      Harder one: Some studio should pick up Glen Cook's Black Company options and make those. These would be wicked awesome as well.

      Hardest and probably impossible to bankrole: Steve Erickson's Malazan Book of the Fallen options. Great googly-moogly, but that would be a few decades worth of films.

      Before the Lord of the Rings movies, I used to think that Tolkien could not be brought to the big screen. I was wrong. The above three mentions have far more compelling stories, and with proper casting and directing, they could be repeatable hits.

    5. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, you know, its quite possible to read both.
      Fun and enjoyment need not have rules of restriction.

    6. Re:I don't get it... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The basic idea is this: Marvel is making a crapload of money in movies. DC Comics wants to do the same.

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    7. Re:I don't get it... by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Before the Lord of the Rings movies, I used to think that Tolkien could not be brought to the big screen.

      Tolkien was brought to the big screen only through massive compromises with the original material. I'm not even talking about cuts made to the novels that only anoraks would take issue with, like the Tom Bombadill episode being left out.

      I'm talking about things like adding a female character for the sake of a love triangle, neither of which was in Tolkien's world. (Even more disturbing, they did it with an actress who has already been used in an earlier role to provide a tiresome love triangle that helps cash in on a typical soap opera audience). Some of the visual choices also jar with Tolkien's brand of storytelling, like in a battle scene when one character is struck down and then his comrades turn around, suddenly in slow motion and mouths agape in shock, to a saccharine soundtrack by Howard Shore.

      Of course, the result was a huge hit, but one wonders how much that was really due to Tolkien, and not the series of Hollywood tropes that the story was fit within.

    8. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tolkien wasn't brought to the screen. Something was, and it was ok, but it wasn't Tolkien.

    9. Re:I don't get it... by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

      Taking good material, and making a movie isn't how the industry works. Instead, they see what's already been done, and do it again. And again. And again.

    10. Re:I don't get it... by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      However, the authors you refer to (Niven, Asimov, Bradbury) appeal mainly to a crowd of Poindexters. It's no surprise that people on a News for Nerds site would clamor for film adaptations, but please try to remember that everything isn't you, and this kind of literature scares a lot of your fellow Americans away, both because of its obtuse themes and because of the Aspie readership is associated with.

      I think you're on the wrong website... How did you end up here?

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    11. Re:I don't get it... by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

      The people that go to them don't expect much and hence are rarely disappointed

      I saw Spiderman 3, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, The Amazing Spiderman, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Hulk, The Incredible Hulk, Fantastic 4, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, X-Men, X-Men 2, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men: Wolverine Origins, The Wolverine, X-Men: First Class, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Daredevil, The Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, Superman Returns, The Punisher, and Ninja Turtles, you insensitive clod!

    12. Re:I don't get it... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I never read comics when I was a kid.(well, thats not true, I read Heavy Metal)

      I read sci-fi(Niven, Asimov, Bradbury, etc) and fantasy(Tolkien, Lovecraft, Howard, etc).

      I don't get this thing with comics. Most of the comic book based films are ok at best...

      Are they really going to make that many comic book based films?

      That is just sad.

      There are so many good sci-fi and fantasy books/stories out there.

      It would be nice if something not ending in "man" was made into a film.

      I think there's two factors. First successful comics consist of a long running series. Even the best science fictions stories are pretty niche on a society level, how many people have actually read Caves of Steel or Ringworld?

      But as for comics, even someone like myself who never read a comic book is familiar with every character listen there besides Shazam and Cyborg. Every comic movie already has a huge potential audience already familiar with and sympathetic to the source material, it's hard for books to match that.

      The second factor has to do with the nature of the form.

      A great book for adults requires compelling ideas, these are generally communicated through dialogue and introspection.

      A movie has to communicate ideas though visuals and emotion, to make a great adult book into a movie you have to strip out what made it great and try to communicate that in a completely new manner, it's possible (2001: A Space Odyssey) but it's hard. Asimov was mostly discussing ideas and dialogue, do you really think that will translate into a great movie?

      It's no mistake that almost all the successful science fiction book adaptions have been from the young adult market. Young adult fiction requires a lot of action and easy philosophy to keep the interest up, the exact same formula that creates a smart action film.

      Comics on the other hand are a visual medium already, they're written to communicate using similar amounts of dialogue and action, movies are even filmed with the aid of story boards that aren't much different from a comic. To translate a great comic into a great movie is mostly just a task of translating the style.

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    13. Re:I don't get it... by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am no expert, but I believe it's because they are easy.

      I would add that they are also able to mine decades of stories for the ones that have proven themselves over time and have a following. Comics as a business compared to the film industry is almost not worth mentioning, but for what it is worth, they can essentially run scripts (complete with storyboards) past the public monthly to see what resonates with them and which ones turn out to be good, and even have them pay for themselves. Most of the movies that have been made have been the classic story lines that were getting printed into graphic novels and have highly sought after issues by collectors for years. Marvel even has a large collection of test marketing with updating such stories to a modern setting and sensibilities with the Ultimate series. It's no surprise that the movies are a combination of the regular Marvel stories and the Ultimate stories as they've already seen what people like and don't like with updating such. Comics seem to be an excellent marketing test field for movies and I'm actually sort of surprised they didn't end up experimenting with it way before now (probably because comic code kept them from really being useful to the movie industry).

    14. Re:I don't get it... by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      Tolkien wasn't brought to the screen. Something was, and it was ok, but it wasn't Tolkien.

      I reread the books and honestly, it was better than Tolkien. Tolkien's stories show their age with their writing and lack of modern attitudes, no women, classist social structures sometimes bordering on racism. He was writing for his own personal experiment with the biases of his time and it shows.

    15. Re:I don't get it... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Matter of opinion really. Personally I like comic book films and the recent releases have been fantastic. People go to cinemas for different reasons. Myself in a fan of senseless entertainment. I like explosions, action, cheesy love stories, and displays of excessive strength or superpowers. Some people can't stand the above and need to see complex character development etc.

      Based on the money coming in it would appear the vast majority of movie goers would not make very good judges at the academy awards, unless they award an Oscar for most excessive destruction.

    16. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'nerds' are now cool. nerds like comic books.

    17. Re:I don't get it... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Informative

      The people that go to them don't expect much and hence are rarely disappointed

      Actually, prior to X-Men, we were regularly disappointed. Because everyone who tried to make a comic-based movie did a terrible job prior to that. There's almost not a single comic-based movie before this which treated the material well and didn't devolve into some corny parody,

      Are they escapism and popcorn cinema? Absolutely they are.

      But, what you can't argue with is the bottom line -- they make money. Lots and lots of money. When X-Men came out on DVD, the sales of the DVD were higher than the highest grossing films in the box office. That was the first time sales of a DVD had done that, and suddenly people stood up and took notice.

      Disney bought Marvel for something like $4 billion dollars. I believe the Iron man films alone have brought in something like $4 billion dollars, and that's possibly before we hit the merchandising.

      So, you may not like them (and nobody says you have to), but there's really no denying that the Marvel properties which have been turned into film since X-Men have generated huge amounts of money, have been seen by tons of people, and have even more films (and money) in the pipeline.

      DC is hoping they can cash in on the action, but they may not have as many properties as people relate to, and if they don't have a "big vision" kind of deal where someone who knows the material keeps it such that the fans still watch it.

      If they carve it up, do a bunch of things which don't go according to canon, or generally do a half job and expect to just roll in the money, they could be seriously disappointed.

      Marvel has been smart, they know the rules and stories of their characters, and have entrusted it in the hands of people who actually know the material. Which means the people who want to see them don't find themselves halfway through a film going "no, that's not right".

      Contrast this with the Spider Man series, which is a Marvel property but has been in the hands of Sony. They're on their second reboot of the damned thing. We don't want yet another Peter Parker origin story because you don't want to pay the actor. If that's all you have, just stop.

      So, "pre sold to comic fans" isn't a gimme. If DC just acts all cynical and "give me the money", they might find they've made crappy films that nobody has any interest in seeing. Think Dare Devil and Electra.

      The proof is in the pudding, and in the revenues. Just jumping on the comic book movie isn't a guarantee of anything.

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    18. Re:I don't get it... by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I think your best point is "They have a built in market." It's true that, if you release a big-budget movie about a popular character, there are some people who will watch it pretty much no matter what. That's why so many new movies are some kind of adaptation or remake-- so that they can count on a pre-existing audience who will see it, even if it's bad, if only out of curiousity or loyalty to the original work.

      The rest of your points aren't quite fair, though. You could argue that the writing isn't amazing and that there's a lot of action, but the movie industry has been putting out dumb action movies for an awfully long time now, and it didn't start with comic-book movies. And really... the writing isn't necessarily bad.

      I don't think they're easy. You have a few decades of really bad comic-book movies to demonstrate how easy it is to make a bad one. And I don't think "people are rarely disappointed". There's a bit of a consensus that the third X-Men was bad, the first Wolverine movie was terrible, and the Fantastic Four movies were pretty awful. A lot of people weren't particularly happy with "Man of Steel", either. Go back to the Joel Schumacher Batman movies, and I don't think you could sum up people's feelings about them with a word better than "disappointed".

      I think the real explanation is that Sam Raimi showed everyone that you could make a good superhero movie that took the source material seriously, and then Christopher Nolan showed that you could make one that is also simply a good movie. Those were still one-offs and flukes, though, until Marvel showed that you could take a systematic approach toward leveraging these kinds of properties into a series of movies, and DC/Warner (as well as Fox) are looking to emulate that.

      And though they might not be to your taste, a lot of these things aren't bad movies. Especially not if you compare them to other summer blockbuster action movies.

    19. Re:I don't get it... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Comic book films are just sci-fi films.
      And who cares, as long as they are good?
      What is inherently wrong with a story line that started as a comic?

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    20. Re:I don't get it... by westlake · · Score: 1

      I read sci-fi(Niven, Asimov, Bradbury, etc) and fantasy(Tolkien, Lovecraft, Howard, etc). I don't get this thing with comics.

      Hitchcock began storyboarding his films around 1935.

      The adventure comic strip, which was coming into its own about the same time, became increasingly cinematic in its story-telling.

      The film and the comic are both essentially visual media. There isn't much time or space for dialog and none for long-winded exposition. That doesn't make dialog unimportant in a film or comic --- it just means that every word has to count.

      The comics weren't always about superheroes --- and the superhero comic wasn't always a soap opera. Disney hit all the right notes with "Guardians of the Galaxy," it should be interesting to see what it makes of "Big Hero Six."

    21. Re:I don't get it... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      You list Tolkien as though those properties haven't had their share of movies. In fact, I'd say that the second Captain America movie is, all told, a better movie than any of the Hobbit movies.

    22. Re:I don't get it... by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      You seem like you would love comics. Many of the stories are very mature and have greater plot and character development than most books or movies.

      The universes are amazing...a way to blend sci-fi and fantasy all together in one amazing cohesive universe.

      You shouldn't be so dismissive of an entire genre.

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    23. Re:I don't get it... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "I am no expert, "
      clearly. They aren't easy to pitch at all. The people who they are pitched to ask questions like "What separates this from other comic book movies" "how will the enhance are market", "whereismycocaine?", and so on. Most of them won't have heard of the title unless its on of the top 10.

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    24. Re:I don't get it... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Many books and movies are very mature and have greater plot and character development than most comics.

      Works both ways. And, cohesive isn't exactly a word I'd use for a set of tales that re-origin themselves every few years.

    25. Re:I don't get it... by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      I reread the books and honestly, it was better than Tolkien. Tolkien's stories show their age with their writing and lack of modern attitudes, no women, classist social structures sometimes bordering on racism.

      While you may feel the movies were more reflective of a contemporary spirit than Tolkien, it's curious that you feel that this automatically makes them better. After all, Tolkien spent his entire career teaching young people that there was much to enjoy in ancient Anglo-Saxon literature, which also had few women and were rooted in classist social structures. Considering that Beowulf isn't only read as a boring school assignment, it sells decently to a readership that actually wants to read it, then why not consider Tolkien in the same way?

    26. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can i buy drugs from you?

      Because the captain america movies were so cliche the actor won't do them anymore.

    27. Re:I don't get it... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't be so dismissive of an entire genre.

      Comics isn't a genre. "Superhero" is a genre. Comics is a *medium* (cue joke about being "neither rare nor well-done."). Comics is way of presenting content, like TV, or books, or video games. It is not the content itself.

    28. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused - you're mixing good films with bad ones there.

    29. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris Reeve is rolling in his grave.

      I think you're taking your comics way to seriously if you can't find room for comedy.

    30. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually pretty simple. Yes, there's a bunch of bulk filler junk in comics, and many cheesy premises. On the other hand, there's some really good material as well. The original Iron Man plot was a little racist and junky in execution, but the basic ideas behind the plot were pretty good. You take the best of those plots, the memorable stuff, you pay writers to really go over it and turn it into something good. This is a recipe for success.

      It doesn't have the cachet that individual artistic vision does, but for industrially-produced material, this is a very very good recipe.

    31. Re:I don't get it... by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Didn't Niven write a bunch of Green Lantern stuff?

      http://www.graspingforthewind....

    32. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bombadil is useless for the bigger picture. His role is kinda weird even in the book. Why would you need to show there are beings who are above the rings power? What's the point? If you are building a world you could do that, but from the perspective of the ringbearer story it's a good decision to cut him out, and really, something had to go.

      Extra characters are a stupid idea, I give you that. Battle scenes were ok, if you don't count elf parkour. Even the comic use of dwarfs was ok in my opinion, it's completely opposite to the books, but what the hel, it looked funny on screen, and didn't ruin it too much.

    33. Re:I don't get it... by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Comics is both a genre and a medium. "Superhero" is a subset of the comic genre. There are many comics, such as The Walking Dead and Clone that have all the staples of the genre, without being anything to do with superheroes.

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    34. Re:I don't get it... by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Instead of spending time playing at semantics you should have tried to understand my point.

      Let me paraphrase.

      Most comics today have better plot and character development and deal with more mature content than most mainstream movies and books.

      There.

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    35. Re:I don't get it... by clickety6 · · Score: 1

      The people that go to them don't expect much and hence are rarely disappointed Tell that to the people who bought tickets for "Howard the Duck".

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    36. Re:I don't get it... by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Why so popular? Because the storyboarding and visuals are already sketched out by the original issues of the comics themselves.

      Adapting a novel requires an imaginitive F/X team to create the F/X from mere text descriptions of the scenes and items to be depicted. Having existing pictures makes it cheap and easy to skip that creativity in the process.

      There is also the fact that an awful lot of movies adapted from novels just tank at the box office because they don't express a vision that the readers of those novels had in mind. Even short stories tank. Take, for example, "Enemy Mine." It was a great short story, but kind of sucked as a movie.

      I'd like to believe that a better job could be done by a competent team with a good budget, but then along comes something like "Ender's Game", which was so bad I gave up on watching it less than half an hour in. Yet I'd devotedly read the entire series of novels set in that world in my high school days, and enjoyed them thoroughly.

      I've often wished they'd get around to adapting some of C. J. Cherryh's universe to a movie format, but I fear they'd butcher her excellent writing and characterization and leave us with yet another F/X fest that tanks at the box office and loses all the appeal of the novels.

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    37. Re:I don't get it... by torqer · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Actually, prior to X-Men, we were regularly disappointed. Because everyone who tried to make a comic-based movie did a terrible job prior to that. There's almost not a single comic-based movie before this which treated the material well and didn't devolve into some corny parody,"

      Um, I can recall several excellent Superman and Batman movies that predate X-men. I'd put the first TMNT movie in that list as well. Some other fairly good, and successfu and somewhat accurate to the material, comic book movies before X-Men: Rocketeer, Robocop, and The Crow.

    38. Re:I don't get it... by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I reread the books and honestly, it was better than Tolkien. Tolkien's stories show their age with their writing and lack of modern attitudes, no women, classist social structures sometimes bordering on racism.

      While you may feel the movies were more reflective of a contemporary spirit than Tolkien, it's curious that you feel that this automatically makes them better. After all, Tolkien spent his entire career teaching young people that there was much to enjoy in ancient Anglo-Saxon literature, which also had few women and were rooted in classist social structures. Considering that Beowulf isn't only read as a boring school assignment, it sells decently to a readership that actually wants to read it, then why not consider Tolkien in the same way?

      Better is a subjective value based upon whatever situational criteria is decided upon by the speaker. As entertainment, yes, I'd say that the story of the movies are better than Tolkein. As an example of English creation of pseudo-folklore based on Scandanavian heritage and language, then yes, Tolkien is probably better. There is a gap between writing for academics and writing for the public. Each one is going to consider their own favorites as better. Take Tom Bombadil for example. Doesn't move the story forward. Essentially has nothing to do with the story even as a false lead or false Chekov's Gun. However, take it in with all his other writings and how he fits into the world as created rather than just the singular story, and becomes something more and probably considered better by people who want different things. take Lovecraft's works. I like them but wouldn't consider them great writing. However, take it as a shared mythology and themes that was compeling enough to be adopted by other writers even at the time, and you have a sum that is better than the parts.

    39. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 26 or more times, shame on me.

    40. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Howard the Duck?

    41. Re:I don't get it... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      No. I have no clue what you mean by "all the staples of the genre" that The Walking Dead, Clone and superhero comics all share--and by your implications, presumable also share with Sandman, Lucifer and others. A medium is means of presentation. Comics is a medium, as is film, books, music, video games. Superhero is a genre, which, like any genre, can be presented in a variety of media. Superhero genre has been done not only in comics, but also in film, video games, and even (admittedly rarely) in books.

    42. Re:I don't get it... by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      There is a gap between writing for academics and writing for the public.

      And I don't get where you see this dichotomy. Tolkien's work was ignored by academia for decades. While The Lord of the Rings sold in modest amounts for the first few years, its sales jumped in the 1960s through ordinary people (often young, idealistic, and of an anti-academic bent) simply falling in love with the world it depicted. I take it you don't listen to much rock music of the 60s and 70s, where Tolkien was allued to by a number of acts. In part because of this popular following, the book was not widely discussed in academia until nearly half a century had passed since its publication.

      And the point I was trying to make in my post above is that both Tolkien and the Anglo-Saxon classics that inspired him have more appeal for ordinary readers than you are willing to credit them with, in spite of their lack of women and the strict societies they depict. Seamus Heaney's Beowulf translation didn't become a bestseller -- and it continues to stay in print as a ordinary paperback -- based just on a couple of hundred academics.

    43. Re:I don't get it... by LienRag · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your point...
      Batman Begins was quite a good Batman movie if you can tolerate some incoherences, and Dark Knight is an extraordinary good movie even for non-geeks...
      (and I have to confess that I loved the first two X-men movies due to the exceptionnal performance of Wolverine and good performances of many characters like Xavier and Mystique)

    44. Re:I don't get it... by LienRag · · Score: 1

      Robocop?
      How is it a comic-based movie?
      And yes, Tim Burton's Batmans are good movies, but they take Batman as an archetype to create a new piece of art, they're not really following any comic arc.

    45. Re:I don't get it... by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      So take this chance to educate yourself.

      As I said, comics is both a genre and a medium.

      Due to the format of comics (generally 30 pages, once a month, emphasis on illustration over dialog), there are certain characteristics specific to that genre.

      Yes, Superheroes are a genre, but that doesn't mean that comics are not also a genre. Superheroes do not define comics books.

      The tropes specific to comic books define comic books, and there are enough that comics has become it's own genre.

      It doesn't matter if you want horror, superhero, fantasy, or even a realistic story. They all will have things in common if told in the medium of comics, making them fit in the genre of comics.

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    46. Re:I don't get it... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      So take this chance to educate yourself.

      Actually, this is a good chance for you to educate yourself. I'd recommend "Understanding Comics", by Scott McCloud.

      Due to the format of comics (generally 30 pages, once a month, emphasis on illustration over dialog), there are certain characteristics specific to that genre.

      So you think comics have to be small periodicals to be comics? You believe that Will Eisner's Contract With God is not a comic? You believe that Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis is not a comic? You believe that Raymond Brigg's When The Wind Blows is not a comic? You are letting how comics are usually publish blind you to the fact that that is not how they have to be published. And it still wouldn't make comics a genre. Yes, there are certain characteristics to publishing installments periodically, that constrain comics as a medium. All mediums have such constraints--they are better at some things, worse at others. Everything in that medium will have things in common. That doesn't make them genres. They are still mediums.

  10. Not just Aquaman by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly...beyond Superman and Batman, DC doesn't have much—at least that anyone has heard of and/or cares about. Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern do at least have some following, but they haven't aged well and I'm not sure they can translate to film nearly as well as, say, Iron Man.

    IMHO, they'd be better off finding some more offbeat superheroes from their back catalog (a la Guardians of the Galaxy) or biting the bullet and inventing some new ones.

    Still, Marvel has done an amazing job of refurbishing characters like Captain America and Thor, so maybe DC can do the same.

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    1. Re:Not just Aquaman by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      They could just take all of their DC Animated Universe stories and convert them to live action. The writers for the DCAU seem to know how to grab a comic book audience. The DC live action movie writers don't want to make a fun comic book movie. They want to make a work of art based on a comic book series.

    2. Re:Not just Aquaman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. DCAU, along with Jeffrey Combs, took the Question and made him into a star. There's no reason the movie universe couldn't do the same.

      Also, why not capitalize on the fact you do have different movie and TV universes, and start building towards a crisis event? You'd get fans from the different franchises excited about the same projects. TV flashes, movie flash, etc all in one film.

    3. Re:Not just Aquaman by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      That's true for most Marvel characters as well. Short of Spider-man and the X-men, Marvel didn't have anyone popular with everyone. Ironman changed that, and DC can do the same.

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    4. Re:Not just Aquaman by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Yes. DCAU, along with Jeffrey Combs, took the Question and made him into a star.

      And created Harley Quinn from whole cloth.

    5. Re:Not just Aquaman by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      Before the movies cam out I'd say it was about the same for Marvel too. Spider-Man was, as far as I recall anyway, way more well known than Iron Man and Thor, but Marvel successfully popularized them. Marvel pulled off Guardians of the Galaxy pretty well and how many people, one year ago, had ever even heard of them? If DC promotes and makes their films well (Green Lantern was pretty awful IMO), I think they could successfully promote not only the characters listed here but also some of their other characters.

      It's too bad Young Justice got canceled by some suited shit for brains, that was a great introduction to the DC universe to wider audiences.

    6. Re:Not just Aquaman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could do what Marvel did and take the 'Super' out and just make the characters all more Human -- which seemed to work out pretty good for ignorant viewers.

    7. Re:Not just Aquaman by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised WB didn't pull their idea for a Bleach movie out of development hell rather than trying some of these ideas. I realize it would have major trouble getting viewers outside of the existing fanbase, but that has to be more people than would pay to see Aquaman.

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    8. Re:Not just Aquaman by Anonanonaon · · Score: 0

      They could just take all of their DC Animated Universe stories and convert them to live action. The writers for the DCAU seem to know how to grab a comic book audience. The DC live action movie writers don't want to make a fun comic book movie. They want to make a work of art based on a comic book series.

      I'd go one further and say that the DC live action movie writers can't even make successful art pieces. Their work is too damned dark. The only exception I'll give them is the first Christian Bale Batman film. I couldn't even sit through the second two, and the latest Superman thing was a travesty. I really do NOT need to see dark Superman destroy cities, or the Joker slam a man eye-first onto a pencil. Seriously. That's not entertainment. That's sickness.

      By contrast, Young Justice was one of the best animated shows I've ever seen, (writing-wise). Sure, it was for kids, but it was also smart and its heart was in the right place. It also wasn't scary and depressing. It was about people, not (failed) high concept bullshit.

      It's not the property which limits a film; it's the creative staff, and yours has been crap for a long time now.

      Also... I just watched the first episode of the Flash TV thing. Wow. That was terrible on every level. Here's a bit of advice: Characters are more important than Plot. That means you need to get good actors, and you need to give them time to develop on screen. It also means your writers need to have a lick or two of human insight.

      I didn't even bother with "Gotham". The reviews told me everything I suspected. When even die-hard fans of the genre are dumping on you, complaining of stupid writing, you KNOW you've got a problem.

    9. Re:Not just Aquaman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      DC live action movie writers can't even make successful art pieces.

      Yeah, ok...

      That's not entertainment. That's sickness.

      Have you ever been out in the real world, love? If you haven't, then don't give in to curiosity. It's not worth it. Also, if someone's chatting up current affairs with you, shut your ears when they mention ISIS.

    10. Re:Not just Aquaman by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      That has been Marvel's secret since they first started. Marvel has always been about the human side of the masks.

    11. Re:Not just Aquaman by Anonanonaon · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been out in the real world, love? If you haven't, then don't give in to curiosity. It's not worth it. Also, if someone's chatting up current affairs with you, shut your ears when they mention ISIS.

      Cute. But let me ask you this:

      Which came first; the programming or the behavior?

      It's a squishy line, but after years of observing this bullshit, I'd have to say that "Art Reflects Life" only if you're a poet or a 15 year-old with a sketchbook.

      When you run billions of dollars through Hollywood movie houses, TV sets and video game screens, it's a whole different affair. Art Creates and Reinforces Behavior. That puts a lot of responsibility in the hands of media creators, doesn't it?

      I'd much prefer media professionals to show a little back bone and not say, "How high?" when the CIA says "Jump!" -with their proxy stooges and make-believe press releases.

      Or put (far) more simply: Marvel seems to manage to make fun films without resorting to pornographic violence.

  11. Re:To quote FG by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1
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  12. Coincidence... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    That the summary doesn't mention "Suicide Squad" as a forthcoming movie? Probably because most people still think superhero movies are kids movies and s-u-i-c-i-d-e is an inappropriate subject for kids movies.

  13. Last studio on the bandwagon... by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

    Well, throw enough shit at the wall and something is bound to stick. If they need any more movie ideas here's a few.

    "Slightly better than average guy"
    "Stick figure man"
    "Powdered Toast Man"
    "Turd sandwich vs. Giant Douche"
    "Harry Potter and the Raiders of the Lost Ark"
    And "Didn't quite do it Justice League"

    1. Re:Last studio on the bandwagon... by OzoneLad · · Score: 1

      Captain Bloodloss
      A Justice League of Their Own

    2. Re:Last studio on the bandwagon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Turd sandwich vs. Giant Douche"

      We already get a remake of that every four years!

    3. Re:Last studio on the bandwagon... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Bicycle Repair Man.
      Just-Us League.

      You could trawl the indy comics for ideas, plenty of really obscure publishers who'd sell the rights for fifty bucks and a shot at fame.

    4. Re:Last studio on the bandwagon... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Well, throw enough shit at the wall and something is bound to stick

      Looking at the list, that was my thought too...

    5. Re:Last studio on the bandwagon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, heh :/

  14. &Krypto the Wonder Dog on two legs, with 'tude by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > Aquaman. Lego. Harry Potter

    Jesus, that Justice League movie is gonna be a mess.

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  15. 10 more by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    movies that I won't go to see.

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  16. Miracleman! by RyanFenton · · Score: 1

    Come on, Miracleman - I just really liked that comic series.

    Linky

    I know, I know, it's legally impossible, but hey, I can always hope for a miracle, man!

    Kimota!

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Miracleman! by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. I'd like to see it, but I think Alan Moore has long since sworn off of movies and Hollywood when he has anything to say about it.

  17. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...it's gonna be all dark and stuff, guys! With sepia tone. Lots and lots of sepia tone. That's what the kids wanna see, right? Right?

    Face it: Marvel characters are heroes we all, at some level, can relate to. Steve Rogers was a literal 90 lb weakling whose big heart worked with the super-soldier serum to make his body as heroic as his character. The X-Men were outcasts of society, hunted down by the very people they protected. Peter Parker was a nerd who got his powers by accident. Daredevil was blind. Those who grew up reading comics could relate to being the outcast, the geek at the edge of society, or someone overlooked.

    Then you have DC. Other than Superman and Batman, they have nobody. Marvel's A-Team is Spider-Man and the X-Men. Their B-Team? The Hulk. Captain America. Thor. Iron Man. Dr Strange. Daredevil(the comic. Screw the movie). The Punisher(see Daredevil). The Fantastic Four. Marvel's B-Team could wipe the floor with DC's B-Team, and even beats their best in consistency(I'm looking at you, Stuperman IV and Batman and Robin). Plus, Marvel laid out a timeline and framework for the Marvel Universe, tying in everything to climaxes in Avengers movies. They are just better-written, have better character acting, and don't ever take themselves seriously. They have fun, so we have fun. DC can't get this, which is why they are destined to suck at the box office with anything that doesn't have Batman or Superman in the title.

  18. Warner Bros. announce ten new exciting trailers by OldSport · · Score: 1

    ...and ten POS films to go with them.

  19. A note from Warner Bros CEO: by sootman · · Score: 1
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  20. How about Teen Titans? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    seems a better prospect than a Shazam or Aquaman movie.

  21. The kids will love this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're crazy about these super-hero movies.

  22. Hope the creators get rewarded by happyfeet2000 · · Score: 1

    ...better than this: http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-...

  23. Not about comics, it's about Heros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comics provide Heroes
    People Love Heroes
    Profit !!

    True SciFi is about 'what could be' this involves way to much thinking for the average movie goer. e.g Hulk SMASH ... cheer of applause,

    Profit !!

  24. Aquaman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh Boy! I can't wait! Aquaman is the best! /end sarcasm

  25. Wizard of Oz reboot? by Ignatius · · Score: 2

    When you say "Wizard of Oz", the movie I'm thinking of is of course Zardoz with the most badass Sean Connery ever, sporting "a red nappy, knee-high leather boots, pony tail and Zapata moustache". The closing sequence with the allegretto from Beethoven's 8th still gives me shivers.
    ignatius

    1. Re:Wizard of Oz reboot? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      "The gun is good. The penis is bad."

    2. Re:Wizard of Oz reboot? by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      ...and I've had the hots for Charlotte Rampling ever since.

    3. Re:Wizard of Oz reboot? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well it was from the golden age of sci fi movies.

      rollerball, zardoz.. ridiculous outfits, yet they still managed to be serious hardcore science fiction. rollerball maybe not so much(it's more society story than scifi).

      but yeah, why the fuck can't they manage to make films like that nowadays, films that say something while at it?

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  26. TV vs Film by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DC does a lot better with TV than film. Consider

    - Smallville was a huge success, very long run
    - Arrow has been renewed twice, has a good audience and is doing very well
    - The Flash looks like it has legs
    - Gotham is getting rave reviews and looks like it has legs as well

    Now let's look at their last couple of films:

    - Man of Steel - OK this wasn't that bad
    - Green Lantern - horrible
    - Watchmen - Good movie but flopped
    - Jonah Hex - Did anyone even know this movie came out?
    - Superman Returns - horrible

    The only saving grace has been the Nolan Batman films.

    1. Re:TV vs Film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about the direct to DVD/Bluray animated movies DC has been putting out. Lots of high quality stuff there.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies

    2. Re:TV vs Film by EXTomar · · Score: 2

      "Man of Steel" represents how WB has been managing mismanaging their stuff for movies which makes me dread what they are going to do for this next one.

      The big issue with "Man of Steel" was that it was so joyless and unfun. Clark's dad is way more concerned about making Clark mopey and conflicted instead of recognizing how great it is to save lives. Throwing down downtown Metropolis without recognition about how destructive or dangerous that was. Then when he retreats he mopes about worried about how people will see him while the planet is effectively enslaved. At the end of the movie made me wish I was watching a movie about "Jor'el The Intergalactic Freedom Fighter" instead.

      Forget Marvel's stuff. I don't want to watch 10 movies with Batman brooding about Superman brooding about Wonder Woman brooding about what Lex Luthor is planning.

    3. Re:TV vs Film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the new golden age of TV. Look around all the movie actors are doing tv shows.

      TV is the only way content producers can get paid. Movies aren't making box office dollars like they used to thanks to insanely high theater prices and ofcourse the piratebay.

      It is comic book and cop dramas from here until the end of time.

    4. Re:TV vs Film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did people hate Superman Returns so much? Really? It didn't have enough plosions for ya? I bet ya'll hate Unbreakable too. It's like you guys only ever want to enjoy a movie once.

    5. Re:TV vs Film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AH! You only say that because you forget 300 is also Warner's and it was...

      OK, forget it, I see your point.

    6. Re:TV vs Film by xSander · · Score: 1

      I've watched the first 16 episodes or so of season 1 of Arrow on Netflix. It may have been renewed twice and has good ratings, but I find the series subpar.

      Most of the show consist of horrible dialogues and close-ups of Stephen Amell's muscles.

      The only time I can bear watching that show is when Willa Holland (eyecandy) or John Barrowman (a real actor) are on-screen.

    7. Re:TV vs Film by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      It gets better in Season 2.

      The thing I loved about Arrow is how real it is. It's the only superhero movie or show I have seen in which the hero comes right out of the gate killing everyone he battles. None of this "letting them live" nonsense. This changes in the later seasons but it gave the character a much more realistic story arc, and made the show a lot more gritty.

    8. Re:TV vs Film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jonah Hex - A not very popular super hero made into a terrible movie.

      I didn't even know he was a DC hero until that logo came up at the beginning.
      I saw it with my friend because it was a choice between Jonah Hex and Marmaduke, and quite frankly, we should have seen Marmaduke.

      Now, it is an inside joke between us to say
      "America needs a sheriff"
      "But I don't want a boss"

      Which are the hilarious last lines of the movie.

  27. And now... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    What is new? They've been whoring remakes for years now, to the extent that shitty movies are being remade into even shittier remakes.

    A DC comic movie or two makes some money, then they inundate us with more and more. Ain't going ot end pretty folks.

    Movies seriously suck these days, makes me yearn for the days of serious actors, like Jar Jar Binks.

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  28. I saw the Shazam movie already by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    Who knew Shaquille Oneal could act? The only thing I don't get was he also played Steel.

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  30. If you thought HHGTTG was bad... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    what about Ender's Game? They completely failed to deliver the point of the book...

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    1. Re:If you thought HHGTTG was bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't think Ender's Game was all that bad, taken as a movie individually. Compared to the book and the themes that ran through it, yes, it failed to deliver the whole overall point.

    2. Re:If you thought HHGTTG was bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is what the GP post was about. You adapt one of the best sci-fi books of all time, and you miss the point completely... It doesn't really matter if it is watchable...

  31. Out of tone, mile of origin by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the big problems DC comics has had since they no longer were, you know, about detectives, is that they generally tell the large stories like Marvel, but in a similar universe with fewer characters and often crazier origin stories and power sources.

    I would argue that this difference has been a key to their success, but also has hurt them badly. Superman's origin story- the lone orphan survivor of an amazing race- resonates pretty ludicrously well, but the frequently paired Amazonian warrior or Galactic Cop both presuppose the existence of an entire universe of other stuff. Suddenly you need to have Amazonians in the modern era, and suddenly you need a galactic everything in place, and etc.

    The Marvelverse, meanwhile, just takes random events and decides that they just happened to make a super hero now. Gamma radiation, radioactive spider bite, radiation in the upper atmosphere, random genetic powers- these are all "more realistic", but importantly, they don't drag a bunch of bullshit into the story from the sidelines. While Krypton conveniently self destructed, meaning that you can have as much or as little Krypton in your superman story as you need, most of the DC guys bring with them a whole wide world of junk you need to wade through and consider.

    Even the divine characters are much more tied to reality for Marvel, with the Norse Gods being a fine set of guys to throw on screen any old time. Meanwhile, the "new gods" of DC are alien, bizarre, and require much devotion to understand what the heck is going on.

    The Marvel universe has given us a ton of X-Men, Spiderman, the Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Thor, Captain America, and they are all very well loved. Soon we'll see Dr. Strange as well. To explain these we have:
    "Some people are mutants", "Radiation can give you powers", "there's some magic", "super serum, one time only offer".

    Meanwhile, just to get us to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman, a reasonable superfriends crew, you end up needing Themyscira, a modern Amazon place, a whole race of Amazons to go with it, Atlantis as a living and actual kingdom under the sea, a whole race of martian (or alternately, several of them left with a destroyed race and a host of badguys that killed them), a whole lot of crazy stuff in Gotham, a bunch of alien superpower guys doling out willpower rings, meaning, oh yea, a galaxy spanning set of everything imaginable.

    The other thing hurting them in a movie format is that they have a relatively light tone in many of the comics, and when they do not, they don't try to avoid whatever they are talking about. The race of goofy green aliens with the dumb rings are meaningful if they are being exterminated, and you feel bad for them, etc. Is a movie going to make you feel bad for these CGI freaks you learned about 15 minutes prior, in the space of two hours? Unlikely.

    Instead, they will often darken everything, and just leave out most of the lore, trying to make them more marvel-like. Wonder woman is going to look like she's dressed as a robot, superman couldn't even keep his actual outfit and had to straight up murder some dude, etc.

    1. Re:Out of tone, mile of origin by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The other issue DC has it that many of the characters are insanely powerful. Superman is practically a living god, and Wonder Woman is on a par for strength and the ability to fly. Green Lantern can only really be hurt of caught off guard, and the Martian can become non-corporeal at any time. At the same time they are hanging around with The Flash and Batman, a guy who has no super powers at all and could die from a single punch by the kind of guys they need to challenge Superman.

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    2. Re:Out of tone, mile of origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that explains why DC is doing great on TV, because Arrow, Gotham and Flash (for now) show relatable, down to earth characters, that are not gods. Even Smallville showed a very low powered superman, you could knock him out with a well placed shotgun shot, and he didn't fly. Marvel has done a great job of showing their heroes just as powerful as needed, like Thor and Hulk.

  32. Monkey see Monkey do by CPUmonster · · Score: 1

    They finally saw how much money those Marvel movies are pulling in and are hoping to get some of that money. I don't know if DC will be as profitable as Marvel though. I guess time will tell. About time you jumped on the bandwagon, Warner Bros!

  33. How many of these will ever get made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of these seem iffy - just names of characters - and there's development hell to get through. I can't imagine a pitch for Aqua Man that would make it to the screen. If we see one or two of these movies I'll be shocked. DC has a lot of archetype characters which are hard to translate into real plots anyone would care about. When you say Aqua Man or Wonder Woman, it's hard to translate that into something flesh and blood that you could film and anyone would want to watch. DC suffers from one-dimensional characters that are hard to tell stories about. All they do is reboot their comic book universe every few years because they run out of stories.

  34. Meh... Marvel Stomps DC! by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 1

    Meh... Marvel Stomps DC!

    *ducks*

    FLAME ON!

  35. Marvel used back-catalog heroes too... by sirwired · · Score: 1

    You have to remember, if you don't read comic books, nearly EVERY hero is from the "back-catalog." Beyond the Hulk (who was in a TV series and a couple of movies), and a passing familiarity that Captain America existed at one time, the remaining characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe are virtually complete unknowns to the general public. Did a bunch of the other ones have active comic books going on when the movies were planned and were huge "hits" in every comic book store in the land? Maybe; I have no idea, and neither does most of the movie-going public. (It's telling that comic books aren't sold at general-interest stores anymore; the only place to buy them is specialty comic and hobby shops.)

    And if Marvel can make Captain America, an obvious bit of cheesy WWII gung-ho patriotism, work for a modern audience, I don't see how you can say that Wonder Womam, Flash, and The Green Lantern "haven't aged well." They don't NEED a current "following" to be successful in a movie... the number of people that are the audience for comic-book movies is SO large compared to the number of comic book buyers, that it doesn't really matter how popular the hero is in current comic books; the people that buy comic books are only a tiny portion of the target audience.

    The one any ONLY reason that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has worked out so well (without using the most recognizable properties in the stable) is due to Kevin Feige's unifying long-term vision. At the time Ironman rolled out the door, he had at least a hint of a plan ready to go, and quickly pulled it into a quality long-term plan tying everything together. But if every movie is planned out by a different producer, then it becomes Just A Bunch of Comic Book Movies. Would The Avengers have been nearly as successful if it merely happened to contain heroes from previous movie franchises? Heck no.

    But DC clearly doesn't understand this, as the movie they are counting on to revive their fortunes, "Batman vs. Superman", contains two heroes who have never met or discussed each other, at all, in their respective movie franchises. Mashing them together is going to look like just that, a mash-up. When Avengers rolled out the door, the ONLY new characters were Hawkeye (yes, I know he had a cameo in Thor), and Smulders. The rest had been introduced quite clearly in previous movies, and were also clearly part of an over-arching theme. (Introduced first in the little credit snippets, and then rolling out to larger roles in the movies.)

  36. To quote SP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Swallow? Come!

  37. How about Birdman? :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting for a movie on Birdman and the galaxy trio.

  38. Game of Thrones by OglinTatas · · Score: 2

    Plantagenet reboot

  39. Romeo & Juliet, Hamlet, Taming of Shrew by peter303 · · Score: 1

    remade every 5 years or so. The recent round were the Valley Girl versions.

    I did find the Zombie-R&J version earlier this year different.

  40. Why say "even" Aquaman by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

    He's obviously the most popular DC guy on the internet. In the movie they'll probably give him superman crushing strength just to round him out a little.

  41. a kids' adventure story? by Ignatius · · Score: 1

    C'mon, we all know that the Wizard of Oz is a treatise on US monetary politics in the late 19th century (just a Faust II is a textbook on macroeconomics - and about as exciting).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_interpretations_of_The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz

    ignatius

  42. Green Lantern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was out in 2011