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fyngyrz (762201) writes It would seem that no matter how you configure Yosemite, Apple is listening. Keeping in mind that this is only what's been discovered so far, and given what's known to be going on, it's not unthinkable that more is as well. Should users just sit back and accept this as the new normal? It will be interesting to see if these discoveries result in an outcry, or not. Is it worse than the data collection recently reported in a test version of Windows?
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Of course it's much worse than the data collection from a "technical preview". It's whole purpose is to discover how people use the damn thing and you sign up to be a guinea-pig in exchange for getting the advanced access.
However, it's "to be expected" from Apple. You don't own their phones or laptops, they own you.
That why I just use my Mac for work, and everything elses on my Linux box.
Microsoft is testing a release candidate and is informing users of what they're monitoring.
So far no one has complained about onerous licensing agreements with Yosemite, which seems to imply that Apple is not informing users about it.
Until Microsoft has a production release, it's not even fair to compare the two.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
No, they shouldn't. Are they? Yup. About 90% of them won't even be aware it's going on.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Wouldn't it be possible to poison their data somehow? Something like SETI sending bullshit to Apple? The same goes for other companies collecting crap about everyone.
So lets see, they have 3 cases of "tracking" here.
1) A tracking cookie gets set on apple.com, subsequent loads of apple.com send the cookie to the server [closed: behaves correctly] - this is exactly how cookies are meant to work. The only possible issue here is that there appears to be a bug that all applications using some API to load the URL (I'd bet on NSURLConnection) are sharing the same cookies
2) When you search for something in Apple's browser, it contact's Apple's server and asks it what types of search it should do for that input. That also seems like a [closed: behaves correctly]
3) When you input a mail server to talk to, it appears to send the mail server's address to Apple, and the server responds with the same mail server. I expect that it's possible that this can return different URLs to talk to, most likely this is to help catch commonly mistyped URLs (e.g. typing gmail.com incorrectly). Also [closed: behaves correctly].
Honestly, I don't see what the fuss is here.
And hipster Mac fans keep trying to convince me that they don't... While they live in a world of denial under a legacy of lies of a marketing genius who never ever wrote a single line of a code in his life....I'll be enjoying my bloat free custom android ROM - Cyanogen.
Seems Apples picking up searches from safari, even when told not too.
microsoft decided to log all your key strokes. Both experiences are negative but the later situation seems worse although niether are acceptable why should safari be sending "where to bury the body" back to apple, perhaps they have been "asked" for this information.
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Friends with wireless access and iphones coming to my place seem to be phoning home in some way.
I detected apple trying to connect to some UDP ports on my router only when those iphones were around.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
um no.
you didn't read the link the string was sent to duck duck go and also sent to apple there is no need for the search string to go to both.
if the user was using apple to search then of course the search string should go to apple but if its sent to google then it shouldn't go to apple as well.
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Oh, I read it. But you didn't read my response to your other comment, which was,
Searching maps is part of Spotlight suggestions
From TFA:
Or why when setting up an email account does the mail app send the domain name you enter to apple?
I say all this as a person who has been using mac laptops for the last 9 or 10 years. I'm obviously not an apple hater but this seriously makes me question whether I'll buy another one. It's a pretty astounding intrusion demonstrating some rather staggering hubris.
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So just out of ideal thought.... This wouldn't have anything to do with the settings clearly available for adjustment within the System Preferences -> Security & Privacy pane and then select the "Privacy" tab. Inside there you see a lot of clearly defined options for opting in or out of various settings:
Location Services: Enable/Disable as a whole; Disable by specific user allowed apps
Contacts: Allow/Disallow apps chosen by user to use your contacts
Calendars: Allow/Disallow apps chosen by user to use your calendars
Reminders: Allow/Disallow apps chosen by user
Accessibility: Allow/Disallow apps chosen by user to control the computer
Diagnostics & Usage: Allow/Disallow "Send diagnostic & usage data to Apple" as well as Allow/Disallow "Share crash data with app developers"
Seems pretty obvious to me and very easy to find and adjust settings as desired by each user. Apple even goes a step further and within the "Diagnostics & Usage" option they have a button titled "About Diagnostics & Privacy" that provides the following information:
Or why when setting up an email account does the mail app send the domain name you enter to apple?
It's part of the automatic configuration settings. When you first set up a new email address using "Add other Mail Account" in Mail.app, it just asks your for your name, email address, and the password for the account. It then sends the domain to Apple to get the imap/pop3/smtp servers and other configuration information for that domain, if it is available, so the user doesn't have to enter them all separately. It's part of a good UI.
Or why when setting up an email account does the mail app send the domain name you enter to apple?
I don't know for sure, but when you set up an email account, based on the address you supply, the Mac does try to auto configure stuff for a wide range of popular email services. I'm guessing it's probably sending off the address to search for that auto configuration information.
"If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated"
For most users, complete privacy from all internet services is not an option. When you enter a query into a search engine, you are providing the server with knowledge of your often very private interests. Your IP address and cookies make it easy for anyone determined to discover your identity as a person.
So the first question is, do you directly benefit from your personal information being collected and retained? In case of a search query, collecting it for the purpose of showing search results is obviously necessary. Long term retention in the form that can be traced back to you is murky. Forwarding it to Apple seems unnecessary and I hope that the company provides an explanation.
As far as safeguards go, it's reasonable that available information is provided to authorities with a subpoena which is narrowed down to minimum required for investigation. Like a list of queries with specific, obviously incriminating keywords made in the last month.
But the notion of complete anonymity is about as practical for most people as living in the cabin in the woods. As a matter of principal, I don't think either should be made illegal. But most people will not be happy with the results, and most crooks will be too dumb to follow these lifestyles so strictly that they don't slip up and get caught.
It is not on by default. It's an option shown in the setup assistant. Shown after you first install Yosemite. The option in the setup assistant then sets those options in the Security prefpane. I'm not sure why Siracusa said they are on by default. Maybe since he's been using the beta for so long (since June), he forgot the option was in the Setup Assistant (since the Setup assistant is only shown on first major upgrade)
They specifically said they turned off Spotlight suggestions.
Even if that were not so, changing search engine should never mean you have to find another configuration option to turn off the old search engine. That's just wrong.
This is actually my only issue. It seems many of the things they found in TFGHR have a legit uses, but if you turn it off, then it should be off.
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Actually you don't SEEM to have read it, since TFA says even with Spotlight suggestions disabled, it still sends the data to Apple.
Apple has an excellent track record on privacy issues. Not because they are super nice people, but because that's not their business model.
They don't make money by selling user information to third parties or by selling ads, they make money by selling actual physical objects to end-consumers. I'm not sure what you mean by "it's to be expected from Apple", but I'm pretty sure you just made that up because you don't like Apple's customers (probably because you met somebody who likes Apple products who has a more expensive haircut than you).
So...we all done here?
Are you joking? Why not have the local program test the server itself with the usual prefixes for mail servers? Then the local app can try the usual ports for SSL. Then it can tell the user the results. After a failure, it could even say, "hey, that server isn't responding to the usual requests, would you like me to check with Apple to see if there is something special about it and Apple knows that secret sauce?"
Do you want to tell me with a straight face that this interaction could not be programmed into a local application that sends nothing to Apple (except by express request on the user's part)? That this interaction is so amazingly hard, it has to be done remotely on a bank Apple's servers?
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They specifically said they turned off Spotlight suggestions.
No, he said he turned off Spotlight suggestions in Spotlight. Not Spotlight suggestions in Safari. (Because you may not want Spotlight sending strings to Apple when searching for files on the computer, but you may not care if you are only searching the internets via safari).
Even if that were not so, changing search engine should never mean you have to find another configuration option to turn off the old search engine. That's just wrong.
It's in the same window!
He turned off Spotlight suggestions for Spotlight, not Spotlight suggestions in Safari.
(Because you may not want Spotlight sending strings to Apple when searching for files on the computer, but you may not care if you are only searching the internets via safari).
*nix on the desktop has been discussed for yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars but if Joe and/or Jane and/or little Billy Average ever get serious about privacy, could that cause a dramatic shift to open source? And where the users go, the devs are sure to follow. Just need to shift away from 99% of command-line configuration/installation/navigation and Billy Joe Jane Smooth, IMHO, will finally get on board. I'm a 25+ year nerd with my beginnings on an IBM PS/2 (shudder). 36 now, on Windows 7, and I pretty much loathe the command-line. Text UI be damned! To the depths of Mount Doom!
You can dance if you want to.
Windows is a TEST VERSION...MS talked loudly and publicly about the data collection and said it was for troubleshooting and optimization and that it will be ripped out of the final bits...Apple is doing this sneakily and for no clear benefit to the end user or the community of users as a whole.
The last line of this summery is just flame bate...Editors, please edit these things!
Because then you are sending a lot of requests to random domains that may not be designed to handle the traffic? And a lot, a hell of a lot of mail servers out there for common email services use legacy mail servers not related to the domain of the email address (because the mail servers were set up before that particular email domain became popular).
Super quick example, if you have a @windowslive.com email address, the IMAP server is imap-mail.outlook.com. The Exchange ActiveSync server is s.outlook.com. Neither one would be found but your suggestion of randomly hitting subdomains.
There is actually an included list of common Mail Servers and common mail configurations. Mail.app only sends the domain when the domain is not on the list or the configuration fails. It also means that if enough users look for a domain, Apple can immediately include the information without waiting for an update.
Have you ever done tech support for email problems before? It's a nightmare. Anything to help the user is best.
He turned off Spotlight suggestions for Spotlight, not Spotlight suggestions in Safari.
I see. What you said was similar enough to TFA that a brief reading made me think you were saying the same things.
So I stand corrected.
Still, this one should be tested. Does it send a string when Spotlight Suggestions are turned off in Safari as well? We won't know until somebody tries it.
Also, the s_vi issue is very troubling.
Thanks for the screenshot. It explains what you're saying better.
Still, do you think that they changed the search engine, left all those options for smart search on, then went to the OS setting for spotlight and turned that off, then sounded the alarm? Would seem a bit like manufactured outrage to me, but I suppose it's not impossible.
If those options were actually left on, then is a very non-story (at least that part)
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Still, do you think that they changed the search engine, left all those options for smart search on, then went to the OS setting for spotlight and turned that off, then sounded the alarm? Would seem a bit like manufactured outrage to me, but I suppose it's not impossible.
Yes, yes, that is what I think Landon did.
Still, this one should be tested. Does it send a string when Spotlight Suggestions are turned off in Safari as well? We won't know until somebody tries it.
No, it does not.
MS only phones home if there is no driver (or a generic universal driver with only the most basic functionality) locally. It does that to get the driver that will allow best performance. You can turn it off it it makes a difference to you...
a reasonable explanation was posted elsewhere - apple maintains configuration profiles for certain web addresses, and perhaps it's uploading the account address to see if they have a configuration profile for it.
is it a hypocrite to take private nudes of yourself but not want to be naked in front of america on the movie screen? it sounds like both are defensible.
In other words, assuming the data is being collected in order to improve the OS, will they actually be able to analyze this huge amount of data and come up with actual fixes?
I'm asking because my past experience as an OSX user is that there is a massive amount of garbage warnings and errors in the OS's system logs, which never seem to get fixed (and that's kinda annoying). You would think that they would analyze the data and fix those issues, being the "thorough" and "detail oriented" people they purport to be.
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It doesn't matter if they sit back and accept it or not... it *IS* the new normal.
Of course, it is much easier to live in a reality where you believe what makes you happier about living in the first place... so the desire to want to resist this sort of thing is entirely normal.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Why is Apple even responsible for tracking that kind of information?
Can I sue them if they get it wrong, rendering my mail client unable to connect to the correct server (or revealing my credentials to a third party) because it followed their instructions instead of mine? No, that wasn't a typo, but thank you for redirecting my login credentials to the wrong server, which then stole them and used them...
I'm tempted to take your word for it, but I prefer evidence. Who tested this, how, and when?
It doesn't matter. Enough of them already have, so that the rest have no choice if they want to use Apple products.
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He said he'll update the TFA tomorrow with the correct information.
I see. Thanks!
Some are indeed bad, like the streaming of Safari/Spotlight chars to Apple with suggestions turned off.
It does not stream the chars to Apple if the option is off, Landon just forgot to disable the option in Safari and Spotlight.
"Or why when setting up an email account does the mail app send the domain name you enter to apple?"
It's so that IF your domain is one that is known to Apple, they can reply back with the correct IMAP and SMTP server settings, allowing you to not have to enter those things. If you are in a big company, or use a very popular email provider, this is a help if Apple happens to know the correct settings for your domain. If you are in a small company, not so much. But there's nothing sinister about it.
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Oh noes, the NSA knows I "like" this or that picture of a puppy. It's the end of privacy was we know it.
Because then you are sending a lot of requests to random domains that may not be designed to handle the traffic? And a lot, a hell of a lot of mail servers out there for common email services use legacy mail servers not related to the domain of the email address (because the mail servers were set up before that particular email domain became popular).
So what magical thing is it that you think apple can do on it's servers that the mail client couldn't do for itself that somehow doesn't pester the domain the user enters?
Of course, if the MX for the domain falls over from 3 or 4 probes, you won't be getting any mail anyway.
In a perfect world that would be exactly what the data would be used for.
I worked in tech support for many years and I can tell you that one of two things happens with this diagnostic data:
1. It's aggregated and used for analysis to identify priority problems based on keywords. This almost never happens even when companies say they are doing it. In fact, most of the bugs (even at Microsoft) are cherry picked by programmers who work on whatever bug they feel like in whatever order seems best to them unless it's a priority zero bug.
2. It goes into a database that nobody ever looks at. This one is much more common. You see, the "report a problem" feature doesn't exist for customers to actually get information about their problem to the company that makes the software. If that was how it worked, you'd need a staff of hundreds of support personnel working round the clock doing nothing but processing problem reports. The "report a problem" feature serves to give the user a feeling that someone will see their problem and that they'll be working on it, so the user won't call tech support. As a result the software company can save money on support rep hours.
Indubitably. Win10 Test is a product demo. So Microsoft is going to monitor it in a way that would be unfeasible for a shipping OS. They're trying to collect user data to make sure people are using Win10 the way they THINK people are going to use it. This is a byproduct of the Windows 8 metro/modern UI fiasco. If they don't disable/remove this level of monitoring when the OS ships, corporate customers will simply opt not to run with the OS...AGAIN.
Seriously, NO company that's in ANY way serious about security is going to put up with a built in keylogger that's reporting back to MommySoft.
Apple is doing the same thing with a live, shipping OS. Which is completely fucking heinous.
Now, will they get away with it?
Probably, because the rabid, turtleneck-and-jeans brigade of Mac fanatics will buy absolutely ANYTHING from Apple, so long as it has the Apple logo on it.
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What kind of antisocial fiend would blame Apple for wanting to play a role in customer's lives? After all, isn't that sort of why Apple people buy Apple in the first place, the need to belong, to be involved in something bigger than themselves? You know: every sparrow, etc, etc.
Maybe need to disable Location + Spotlight Suggestions + Bing Search??
About Spotlight Suggestions & Privacy
When you use Spotlight, your search queries, the Spotlight Suggestions you select, and related usage data will be sent to Apple. Search results found on your Mac will not be sent. If you have Location Services on your Mac turned on, when you make a search query to Spotlight the location of your Mac at that time will be sent to Apple. Searches for common words and phrases will be forwarded from Apple to Microsoft's Bing search engine. These searches are not stored by Microsoft. Location, search queries, and usage information sent to Apple will be used by Apple only to make Spotlight Suggestions more relevant and to improve other Apple products and services.
If you do not want your Spotlight search queries and Spotlight Suggestions usage data sent to Apple, you can turn off Spotlight Suggestions. Simply deselect the checkboxes for both Spotlight Suggestions and Bing Web Searches in the Search Results tab in the Spotlight preference pane found within System Preferences on your Mac. If you turn off Spotlight Suggestions and Bing Web Searches, Spotlight will search the contents of only your Mac.
You can turn off Location Services for Spotlight Suggestions in the Privacy pane of System Preferences on your Macby clicking on “Details” next to System Services and then deselecting “Spotlight Suggestions”. If you turn off Location Services on your Mac, your precise location will not be sent to Apple. To deliver relevant search suggestions, Apple may use the IP address of your Internet connection to approximate your location by matching it to a geographic region.
Information collected by Apple will be treated in accordance with Apple’s Privacy Policy, which can be found at www.apple.com/privacy.
That would require an even bigger violation. They would have to have the client send the actual configuration to Apple as well so they can have the data. Not all businesses would appreciate that.
And if sites actually added the SRV records specified in RFC 6186 Apple could avoid having to maintain a database of email to submission/pop3/imap/pop3s/imaps servers.
It's not like it is hard to add these records.
When I installed Yosemite the EULA said
"Terms and Conditions: Important: Use of your Mac computer, ... is subject to these Terms and Conditions"
Note: It didn't say just say "use of this software", it said "Use of your Mac computer". It's effectively claiming if I don't follow the terms I'm not allowed to use the hardware period :(
Sending the content of every search request to Apple? Notifying Apple if the user sets up a non-Apple email account? That's a blatant violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act unless Apple properly discloses that up front and gets the user's consent.
Apple didn't do that.
The EULA for MacOS isn't on line on Apple's own site. This matters. It violates the FTC's "clear and conspicuous" rule on disclosures. It's just like bundling spyware, which the FTC and state attorneys general have routinely hammered vendors for trying.
This puts Apple in the uncomfortable position Sony was in when they put a root kit on an audio CD.
Did anybody seriously even consider that they would not do that?
I'm not familiar with OSX but won't it be possible to circumvent those calls home by routing them to a local app that takes those data and throws them away?
(Waiting for Apple to tell us why they knowing those information is good for us.)
Hasn't this been the norm for years? Google, Facebook, and all that? People even carry Google portable devices tracking them everywhere they walk. Where's the news in this? To me the news is that Apple apparently wasn't doing it already.
Why should you ever have to go to Apple in the first instance for that information? A database covering all the likely candidates shouldn't be more than a few MB in size, and could be kept up to date via Apple Update - and if the database doesn't hold the information, or the mail server doesn't respond to a test connection, then the user can be asked "check online for server details?" and then the app hits Apples servers.
We went through all of this with Microsoft Update, and the Slashdot consensus then was "do it locally, MS shouldn't get any user specific information" and yet here we are seemingly giving Apple a free reign...
...I pretty much loathe the command-line. Text UI be damned! To the depths of Mount Doom!
If you only knew the power of the dark side!
Bash is not the most fun programming language, but CLIs (as distinct from TUIs) are the easiest way to interact with a computer system programmatically. There is such thing as graphical programming, but...ew. On the one hand, you've been able to install and use Linux for about a decade now without ever seeing a command line. On the other, the Internet would not exist if it weren't for CLIs.
I think we're gonna need to confiscate your geek card.
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That would require an even bigger violation. They would have to have the client send the actual configuration to Apple as well so they can have the data. Not all businesses would appreciate that.
I'm not so sure - most email providers provide all this information on their web pages anyway. Unless you are suggesting that Apple's mail client is waiting for people to manually set up some email and then sending that information to Apple for use by future users, I don't see any problem for Apple to notice that they are getting lots of requests for email accounts at "someplace.com" and then someone at Apple looking up setup info for someplace.com and pushing that data out to users as needed.
While this type of "auto-setup" is extermely useful (especially on iOS where typing stuff and cut/past and switching between the settings and the web-browser are less than ideal), I do wish it was a bit easier to get straight to the "manual" configuration dialogues. For times when I know that the auto-setup is going to do it in a way I do not want, I usually start by entering a bad domain which does not return a useful result and that lets me do the setup completely manually.
It needs to be robustly demonstrated or else it is essentially a worthless claim.
That's the problem with insisting on a proof of a negative--it's really just a transparent way of spouting lies.
It's so misleading that it is effectively dishonest. Apple makes approximately 0% of their revenue off of ads; they make hundreds of billions of dollars selling actual hardware to willing consumers. It would be absurd for them to threaten their main cash cow by building a perception that they are spying on their customers.
The truth is: they needed to enable advertising supported applications and so they created a platform which supported demographic targeting and analytics while properly anonymizing user info and keeping third party companies in-line.
Again, this has nothing to do with their 'ethics', it has everything to do with economics.
is it a hypocrite to take private nudes of yourself but not want to be naked in front of america on the movie screen? it sounds like both are defensible.
I don't know if it really matters any more: attention spans have fallen under the ten-second threshold. Why worry who sees what they're about to forget anyway?
Oh, I'm sorry sir, I thought you were referring to me, Mr. Wensleydale.
> Is it worse than the data collection recently reported in a test version of Windows? yes, because the 'test' of windows, as you put it a) states that it collects data b) is a test, and you're there to test it - it's not a lot to expect that usage data is collected c) microsoft have said many times that you shouldn't use it as a production or main pc.
It's fine to do that for gmail or yahoo, Comcast, etc but deepdarksecert.com might not appreciate it if iPhones are sending that information back to apple even if it is never published.
It's fine to do that for gmail or yahoo, Comcast, etc but deepdarksecert.com might not appreciate it if iPhones are sending that information back to apple even if it is never published.
I don't think that anything beyond the "deepdarkseceret.com" is going to to Apple, but I suppose if you are worried about anyone knowing what your email address is, then yeah, it might be a concern. Someone posted a link to an RFC of some sort that detailed how mail server settings should be published that could make this type of system unneccessary - too bad that is not more widely implemented.
The submitter can be bothered to capture some data and submit a link to such to slashdot for commentary, comparing apple's actions to Microsofts (but not Ubuntu's, but that's a different story), but can't be bothered to summarize the data at the very least, even better would be to actually write an article explaining what they found. I'm not going to spend hours clicking through git to find out what the submitter is complaining about, and i doubt that most anyone commenting on this article will have done so either.
Personally, I hate anonymous gripes!
... this anonymous comment is a counterexample to your argument.
I'm paying $120 for the weekly cleanup (3h @ $40). The deal includes laundry, dishes, taking out the trash, etc. The lady is very good, she even cleans inside the cupboards. It's worth it even if she stays only 2h, except when I come home and I find that bedsheets or towels are still damp because she did not want to wait for the last batch in the dryer.
It's not easy to find a reliable local cleaner. Years ago it was easy to find one on Craigslist, but lately a lot of startups like Cleanify have appeared; they have nice websites and apps but basically it's just a bunch of part-time students booking local cleaners, and they offer less services to be able to crunch more appointments in a single day. So independent, local cleaners are now enslaved like employees of big cleaning companies and they rush from one half-done job to the other. They won't touch dishes, they won't do laundry, even changing bedsheets comes at a premium. They are like hotel maids who have 15 minutes to clean one room.
A good local cleaner is fantastic. A big chain that only does half the job is useless. And startups that just inject themselves as middlemen are the worst.
lucm, indeed.
>"Is it worse than the data collection recently reported in a test version of Windows?"
Both are infinitely more than what is collected in any of my Linux distros. I find this trend of companies spying on users totally unacceptable (and yes, throw Google in there too).
There needs to be a Linux distro for Macs; like an Ubuntu remix (Macbuntu maybe?) that works perfectly on any Intel mac.
This reminds me of an article, from years ago, about the iPhone -- sending data and 'pings' to URLs when you access services, etc. It seems to me it should all be opt-in. But if we can't opt-in (or opt-out), maybe there's a way to scramble the data sent to them, making it useless. Or use some clever filtering to block, etc. Probably more trouble than it's worth.
I don't think Apple is alone with this -- I'm guessing most connected products report metrics of one sort or another without (or regardless of) our consent. Big data = big money.
Which is why no connection to any log-on sites with real password and with real data is made, so the test is not acual test but a contrived test. I use simulated stuff no actual connections to real stuff,
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Its strange when the government sies this there is a massive out cry but when corperations do it the out cry is so small incomparison it seems no one cares
Anything to help the user is best.
Won't someone think of the children, erm um, user?
It is downright invasive to do such things without the user knowing about and being able to control such things.
Granted, it is potentially a nice service to offer. Forcing such privacy violations on EVERYONE without recourse is just evil. No excuses.
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Terrible summary, kind of interesting article.