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GNU Emacs 24.4 Released Today
New submitter Shade writes Well over one and a half years in the works, the latest and greatest release of GNU Emacs was made officially available today. Highlights of this release include a built-in web browser, improved multi-monitor and fullscreen support, "electric" indentation enabled by default, support for saving and restoring the state of frames and windows, pixel-based resizing for frames and windows, support for digitally signed ELisp packages, support for menus in text terminals, and much more. Read the official announcement and the full list of changes for more information.
Now if it only included a text editor.
Let the flame war commence!
Emacs OS - I know it is missing a text editor - but does it support systemd?
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
emacs releases have been on a downward arc since 19.34b. Unfortunately that version won't build on any recent versions of Linux. /. back in 2008, and things have not improved.
I said this on
The problems are a mix of bloat and changes to the default behaviors.
The mirrors don't all have the latest version yet, so you can download here:
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/e...
Now if it only included a text editor.
You can run it in the new "built-in web browser." They must have refactored Firefox to Emacs Lisp. Firefox can run java when you bundle it with the jre, and there are lots of text editors in java. So you're golden.
Emacs is still my favorite programming editor.
Looking forward to using this latest version.
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
There are some JavaScripters at work, and lately they've been going all gaga over some text editor called Atom. They were telling the rest of us (we mostly use Vim and Emacs) about how great Atom is because it's developed by GitHub, and because it's developed as an HTML and JavaScript web app embedded in a standalone dedicated Chrome process, or something like that.
These guys tend to be wrong about most everything, but I figured that I should at least try Atom out on my own before making any judgement. Jesus Christ, what a laughably horrible experience it was!
I couldn't even find an official build for Linux. So I had to go borrow somebody's OS X laptop. You're not off to a good start, Atom!
Then I saw the size of the installer: over 60 MB! I couldn't fucking believe it! Why does does a basic text editor require an installation package that's over 60 MB?!
Well, I downloaded and installed it. I started it up, and it was, well, a pretty bare-bones text editor. The first thing I do with any text editor is to check out its preferences. Fuck me, Atom has what has got to be the worst preferences/configuration support I've ever seen in an GUI app. I thought Chrome's settings sucked ass. Atom manages to make it even worse! It's the worst of GUI configuration, with the worst of text file config.
Ignoring those problems, I decided to open up some files. Small files were rather slow to load. I thought that maybe it was just the computer, but nope, the same files loaded instantaneously in Emacs, Vim, and Nano. In Atom, I'd sit there waiting for them to finally open. Then it would take even longer before any syntax highlighting was finally applied.
Then I hit the most idiotic part of the whole experience when I went to open a 5 MB file. This file opens just fine in Vim, Emacs, Nano, and every other text editor I've ever tried. Atom? Nope! It said it couldn't open files greater than 2 MB! I'm not even kidding! Fucking unbelievable.
I just don't get these JavaScript guys. Their choice of programming language sucks. It's pure shit. They use git, which is supposedly a distributed VCS, but then they all totally centralize on GitHub! Then they think that Atom is a good text editor, when it can't even open a goddamn file that's larger than 2 MB! These JavaScript guys must be mentally deficient in some way. I don't want to call them retards, because I've never had a retard come up to me and tell me that JavaScript is "a good programming language" or that Atom is a "great text editor".
Can it read e-mail?
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
IntelliJ code inspection and refactoring features are so great that it's worth sacrificing power tools like apply-macro-to-region-lines. Maybe theoretically some of these things could be configured in Emacs, but work to discover the packages and create/learn keyboard shortcuts is too much for my patience. It would help to have "emacs distributions" with task specific documentation for particular use cases.
Systemd had that since release 215.
joe - Joe's Own Editor
Description
JOE is a powerful ASCII-text screen editor. It has a "mode-less" user interface which is similar to
many user-friendly PC editors. Users of Micro-Pro's WordStar or Borland's "Turbo" languages will
feel at home. JOE is a full featured UNIX screen-editor though, and has many features for editing
programs and text.
JOE also emulates several other editors. JSTAR is a close imitation of WordStar with many "JOE"
extensions. JPICO is a close imitation of the Pine mailing system's PICO editor, but with many
extensions and improvements. JMACS is a GNU-EMACS imitation. RJOE is a restricted version of JOE,
which allows you to edit only the files specified on the command line.
Although JOE is actually five different editors, it still requires only one executable, but one with
five different names. The name of the editor with an "rc" appended gives the name of JOE's initial-
ization file, which determines the personality of the editor.
JOE is free software; you can distribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Pub-
lic License as published by the Free Software Foundation. I have no plans for turning JOE into a
commercial or share-ware product. JOE is available over the Internet from www.source-
forge.net/projects/joe-editor.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
I've used Emacs for more than 20 years, but cannot justify that any more; the source browsing integration of modern IDEs is just too nice and the editing goodness that is Emacs is just not enough.
I'm shocked (shorting out usb ports need fixing) I haven't seen this posted... I guess if it doesn't say systemd that rhetoric doesn't apply.
Because the people who don't like emacs don't use it. No one builds software with emacs as a dependency and then tried to get every Linux environment to use it as a core dependency.
Emacs is a good citizen. It is cross-platform, stable, and easily replaceable. Unlike it-that-must-not-be-named.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You mean VI, the notepad for Unix? Since it is by default installed on pretty much every Unix system, including Macs, I would say it is cross platform. It is even easy to get for Windows. As far as stability goes, it has never crashed in the 20+ years I have used it on any platform. An it is easy to replace. All you have to do install another editor, i.e. sudo apt-get install emacs.
"Be grateful for what you have. You may never know when you may lose it."
You mean VI, the notepad for Unix?
VI is another fine tool. Portable, easily replaced, a good citizen. It-that-must-not-be-named is certainly not VI.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Everyone knows that Ed is the standard text editor.
Ok, maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years, but emacs default indenting scheme is completely braindead imho. (or should I say GNU indenting scheme)
Of all the indenting schemes they could have chosen, they chose the one that is the most inconsistent.
Generally here are some common indentation schemes:
Tabs only
Spaces only
Tabs for indent level, spaces for alignment
Which one do you think emacs uses by default? None of the above.
No, emacs uses spaces for indenting 4 spaces, and tabs for indenting 8 spaces.
This means that if you write a function whose name is at indentation level 0, the braces will be indented by 2 spaces.
The code will be indented by 4 spaces. If you then start an if statement, the code in the if statement will be indented not by 8 spaces, but by 1 tab.
This is completely braindead and breaks completely if you ever over one of those files in an editor with tabs configured differently.
At least with the other approaches you can still open the file in an other editor and have the indentation levels make some kind of sense.
Soooo.... what's its name?
<xml><I><am><so><damn>Web 2.0</damn></so></am></I></xml>
ValdesystemDmort
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Can it replace systemd?
Using emacs to edit code is like using Eclipse to edit a text file. :P
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Tabs are 8 spaces. In terminal windows and editors that don't misbehave like, gess what, Notepad, the code looks nice.
I used to prefer that style, because it is the better trade off between readability and bandwidth. Bandwith still matters, if you do not want to uglify HTML.
Then there are all the braindead people, editors, browsers, wo don't understand this simple fact and paint the sky in a tone of pink and argue with the ones that till think it is blue.
So now I dont use tabs anymore. No arguments needed.
Because the people who don't like emacs don't use it. No one builds software with emacs as a dependency and then tried to get every Linux environment to use it as a core dependency.
True, although GNU info... er, sorry, GNU info had a good college try at inflicting the emacs help system on the world.
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
vi is pretty much the best example to push in the face of systemd apologists.
vi is default in every distribution, nobody bats an eye.
systemd tries to do the same and everybody lose their mind.
The reason is simple. You don't have to deal with vi at all if you don't choose so. And if you really really do not like it...
# aptitude search vi | grep ^i ... ...
i vim-common
i vim-tiny
# aptitude purge vim-tiny vim-common
The following packages will be REMOVED:
vim-common{p} vim-tiny{p}
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 1093 kB will be freed.
vi is not cancer.
---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
The productivity gains are real. It's not from using emacs, from by not showering, not bathing, not shaving your beard, etc.
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So I wouldn't be surprised if emacs does lose out to lighter rival editors that better suit the quick-fix pattern. All the power and flexibility and add ons that emacs has built up (and which weigh it down) are largely redundant on a modern desktop. I think I would prefer nano or joe to vi/vim (and its annoying split personality modes) but the latter tends to be ubquitous so its a good idea to learn it.
M-x dunnet
i had a ver similar experience. :) it was amusing.
no, it's not viable as a heavy duty editor yet, by far. however it's remarkable that such apps are at all possible grinding the dom in a browser. the setup for desktop integration is awkward, but keep in mind that this is a pure standard html webapp. you can easily embed that thing in any webpage to be used in any browser, considering this fact both functionality and performance are quite remarkable.
oh, and i'm afraid you don't know anything about javascript, but better don't ask those "fellow javascripters" of yours! :) no pressing either, atom will probably come and go, but you will be hearing A LOT about javascript/ecmascript in the future.