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Shooting At Canadian Parliament
CBC reports that a man pulled up to the War Memorial in downtown Ottawa, got out of his car, and shot a soldier with a rifle. The Memorial is right next to the Canadian Parliament buildings. A shooter (reportedly the same one, but unconfirmed) also approached Parliament and got inside before he was shot and killed. "Scott Walsh, who was working on Parliament Hill, said ... the man hopped over the stone fence that surrounds Parliament Hill, with his gun forcing someone out of their car. He then drove to the front doors of Parliament and fired at least two shots, Walsh said." Canadian government officials were quickly evacuated from the building, while the search continues for further suspects. This comes a day after Canada raised its domestic terrorism threat level. Most details of the situation are still unconfirmed -- CBC has live video coverage here. They have confirmed that there was a second shooting at the Rideau Center, a shopping mall nearby.
Why is this on slashdot?
Every day you're FP'ing posts about politics and social justice. I guess that News for Nerds is no longer Stuff that Matters in your opinion.
Downtown Canada? Seriously. The capital of Canada is Ottawa. If you cannot get this right then just give up an anything international slashdot. Sheesh.
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Dont let your idiots in parliment go all panic mode like the Raving Morons we have running this place in Washington DC.
This was a rare incident by a insane person, nothing more. Put more money into public mental health.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Inb4 all the politics. This man did a bad thing. Not your favorite political enemy, but the shooter himself.
Is this a exert from South Park?!
"CBC reports that a man pulled up to the War Memorial in downtown Canada,"
Fuck off, CBC reports downtown OTTAWA! fucking slashdot
How is this /. related?
Sounds like a busy place.
It's important for non-Canadians to realize that Parliment Hill is not the White House or US Senate. Parliment in Canada is a public commons. There is no security at all on the ground of Parliment and the space is routinely used for large scale public protests and demonstrations, less than a couple of dozen yards of Parliment itself. It's a different ball game.
I just heard some sad news on Canadian talk radio - writer Stephen King was found dead in the Parliament building this morning. There weren't any more details at this point. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
This is accurate as I can only assume Canada is one single metropolitan area.
In more serious news, a man was arrested in Westminster today for throwing marbles at the MPs.
This is on slash dot why exactly?
Crazed shooters are totally our thing.
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My first thought was that perhaps Harper had offed himself.
This is an important story. It is being covered on every other news site in better depth than Slashdot can offer. Current events is not Slashdot's forte. You do not have to be an RSS feed for Google News. I already have Google News. Focus on the nerd news that Google News does not cover.
The blurb is all over the place. The shooting is in Ottawa, Canada, Canada's capital. A man with a shotgun walked up to one of two soldiers posted at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and shot one of the soldiers. He then ran off, got into a car, and drove to the gates of Canada's Parliament Buildings center block (you can't drive to the front door, not since 9/11). He ran in and shots were fired. The Seargent At Arms shot and killed the shooter, but there are more shooters in the building (RCMP and Ottawa police are all over it). The parliament buildings are about 2 blocks from the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. There is a large hotel about a block from Parliament, the Chateau Laurier. There was a shooter in there also, and there is also a large shopping mall about 3 blocks away "Rideau Center". There are shooters in there too. This all follows a 'lone wolf' Jihadist running over (with a car) two soldiers at an army recruiting center yesterday. He was later shot (and killed by police). Also yesterday 6 CF-18's left Canada to join the war on the ISIS (or ISAL or ass-hole, however you want to call them). Also, today Malala Yousafzai was to receive honorary Canadian Citizenship (she is in Ottawa).
A lot of the video is echos, only heard 9 actual. At least 3 at memorial.
Have only heard of 2 possible perpatrators, one is down.
Be safe, remember Canadians will never live in Fear, be strong.
(and to you in America, Canadians do know what to do)
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Canada raised their terrorism threat level, just before this happened. Clearly they were right. It's time to panic!
Unless they meant something else by "raising the domestic terrorism threat level" -- maybe they meant increasing the number of domestic terrorists, in which case the program appears to have been successful. Here in the US such a thing would energize the Republican base, so it's not unlikely that some politicians benefited greatly from this. Any Republicans in Canada?
Or, maybe in this case correlation does suggest causation. If they raise the threat level again, will another crazy guy shoot at Parliament?
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Did the soldier say "sorry" after he got shot?
Did the SWAT team say "sorry" while they were shooting the evil terrorist?
I expect nothing less.
There has been no confirmation yet if a gunman has been shot, only that shots were fired.
And you nerds need to calm the hell down. Someone got a photo of the gunman as he stepped out of the car.
So is "Domestic Terrorism Threat Level" a ranking of how disenfranchised the population feels beyond the level of "Peaceful Protest"?
Hmm, the humour and sarcasm seem to have been be lost on you.
to be safest. We owe it to our children.
We are in a total lockdown. No one gets in or out.
Yep, that worked so well.
Why do people who support gun control laws think the "War on Drugs" is futile?
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Is the crap filter is broken, or are these bleeding articles just honeypots for trolls?
Not news for nerds. We have cnn for stuff like this.
oh those Canuks! He's probably wacked out on Maple Syrup and high on medicinal pot. There's no poisonous snakes native to Nova Scotia dontchano, so what ya be needing a gun for?
This is a War memorial! You can't shoot people here!
You realize that there are plenty of Americans who are pro gun control, right?
No, of course you don't. You're all fucking retarded from lead poisoning.
....to not overact.
Could be some IS wannabe loser(s), maybe domestic terrorist or a person with mental health issues. We do not know yet.
What I do know is the country is NOT in mortal danger (not even close), no they are not coming for you women and children.
We do not need to give up more civil liberties, no lock-down is required.
Wait for the facts to surface, then deal with it accordingly.
If we give in to fear and hysteria....well they win...
This is what we get for blindly following the states. Why do we keep committing troops to help clean up the messes american wars leave behind? What thanks do we get? none the american's treat us like a joke, the people we're going to help treat us like the enemy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
... so whenever I read things like this, it always strikes me how badly (not at all) planned these "excursions" are, with how little actual attrition in the politician camp. Don't whoever do these sort of things have access to some DVDs? Just watch Olympus Has Fallen or some other such tripe for some basic inspiration next time, won't you?
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Stuff that matters.
Fuck this website.
I suppose Facebooks new Safe Check would be useful today - my family have already text me to let me know they're safe, but it would be great to know none of my friends have been hurt.
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> the man hopped over the stone fence that surrounds Parliament Hill, with his gun forcing someone out of their car.
Impressive how the man hopped the fence while the gun independently and self-animated forced someone out of their car. Or did someone forget how to properly use commas?
There are also plenty of murkins who are pro-life, anti-choice, conspiracy theorists, bigoted and religious fanatics. Go jerk off in your faces with them if you like, company, beetlefucker.
Was the shooter more pissed off with the recent proposed changes to ChromeOS support of FS types or the fact that he still can't order a Beaglebone Black and is stuck having to write vision systems with a box full of arduinos?
Canada still is mostly a handgun free zone. This was a long gun (a double barreled shotgun), which are mostly unregulated, easy to come by, and pretty common in rural areas - especially Northern Ontario.
Take it easy, guy.
Gun free? LOL. We have one of the highest guns per capita rates in the world. We control guns, we don't ban them. And it works very well.
There's no poisonous snakes native to Nova Scotia dontchano, so what ya be needing a gun for?
I hear hunting is quite popular in Canada so may be moose, ducks, or the most awful thing from Canada ever that need to be gunned down in mass.
If this is terrorism and Canada decides to wrongly go after something I suggest the Canadian Geese as that would at least be useful.
Time to offend someone
So a couple of random goons got shot down by some random person the day after people were significantly questioning the use or purpose of the terrorism alerts, and now it's fuel for "SECURITY".
Or maybe someone slept with his wife in there.
I suppose Facebooks new Safe Check would be useful today - my family have already text me to let me know they're safe, but it would be great to know none of my friends have been hurt.
Yeah, it's a real fucking warzone with thousands dead. (sarcasm) Get a grip! Do you also have to "check in" after every car crash?
Whatever happened to Keep Calm and Carry On?
"The incident has been called an act of violence against Canada that was âoeclearly linkedâ to terrorist ideology."
It's amazing how quickly, after the fact, this link was made. I hope the perpetrators weren't radicalized Brits returning from summer Jihad in Syria.
Have they issued the alert for all people of Canadian descent to open their box of faith yet?
Except for the bans on carrying a gun, using a gun, owning certain guns, owning normal sized magazines, etc.
And apparently that gun control doesn't work out so well.
In the US, we have the highest gun:citizen ratio (over 1.0), and if we don't count gangland violence (which our history with alcohol prohibition shows is caused by the illegal drug trade, and independent of gun ownership), we have one of the lowest violent crime rates and murder rates in the world. And both of those rates have plummeted in the past 20 years as we've repealed gun control, while Canada's has gone up over the past 20 years as they've piled on the gun control.
Canadians have an estimated 7-8 million legal guns in circulation. Hardly a "gun free" zone.
How about self defense against against a nut job on a killing spree? The least successful spree killers in the US have all been stopped by an armed civilian, not a government employee.
I work at 55 Metcalfe st which is the corner of Queen and Metcalfe. I can see the parliament buildings from one of the corner offices. We are still locked down and cannot leave the premises. I think every police officer in the city is down here they are currently doing a grid search of buildings between Queen and Wellington streets.
Please stop APK.. you're only hurting yourself.
A gunman in a government building? In the USA there's be 100,000 cops, the national guard, a dozen tanks, 50 helicopters, CNN and Fox News screaming into the camera "OHMYGOD OHMYGOWD!!!!" and the area would be in lockdown for 72 hours at least and a hazmat crew sent in afterwards ---- all for one shooter with a .22 rifle.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
...This smells like false-flag propaganda designed to incite more hatred of the Muslim and Arabic peoples and draw Canada into another BS war in the middle east. This whole thing reeks. Peace.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
>> And apparently that gun control doesn't work out so well.
I know as much about what happened today as the summary says, but... if the "best" guns the shooters had today were shotguns, then gun control likely did its job.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
That's what happens when you get involved in wars that don't concern you. By joining the fight against ISIS, we've painted ourselves as a target. This war doesn't concern us, and we don't need to have our peace disturbed because of our contribution to it.
I'm fairly certain the parent post was directed at Americans that are pro gun control (or anyone really).
... because our government officials are all too busy campaigning and collecting bribes^Wcontributions from the rich to actually be present at our equivalent of Parliament.
It's beyond time for Harper and his coven to stop acting like the GOP farm team and disengage both domestically and internationally from Canada being nothing but 'loyal', unquestioning Storm Troopers for American Empire (TM).
Suddenly, armed citizens who love their country and fellow countrymen and women became law enforcement's best friends.
Do not take away our guns. Requisition them out to law abiding citizens who wish to be able to protect themselves and loved ones.
We are at war. Do not be fooled by false flag operations and the UN pushing its anti-gun agenda upon the good people of this world via any means they choose.
If I had to choose friends (just for the sake of argument) between a pencil pushing wangle who cries fowl and is avidly predisposed against the ability for citizens to be able to protect their lives and lives of others AND a citizen who is actually able to protect their life and the lives of others because he or she legally carries a sidearm, guess who I'd pick.
It is an inalienable right for humans to be able to protect themselves.
Do not tread on us.
I don't know why but I can't get this Tom Green clip out of my head.
They want everyone that isn't a rich white old man dead. They want to kill all of us. That is the way of their kind.
We've completely ruined that word here in Murika.. Was there even a political agenda behind the attack?
The US has a 90:1 gun:citizen ratio.
The US has one of the highest murder rates in the world (3.6/yr/100000 people), being over 6x higher than Canadas (0.5/yr/100000 people).
I trust we can all do ourselves a favour and conclude that the balance of your post, and likely anything else you bother to write, is also laughably misinformed.
Do us all a favour and stop posting nonsense.
If you're discounting what you claim the major cause of American gun deaths (illegally owned guns used by criminals) to be, you've got to do the same in Canada. In nearly every category Canada is better off, per capita, than the US in terms of crime.
Also, citation needed for the not counting gangland violence showing low murder rate. The closest thing I can find is a mis-cited report about Chicago that a US conservative site trotted out, sourcing a CDC report that shows nothing of the sort, via Reddit. Here's a well cited refutation of the idea that 80% of gun deaths are caused by gangs, not even after ruling out suicide is it close to true..
Keep on knockin'
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And if you don't count death, we all live forever.
Why the hell wouldn't you count "gangland" violence? We've got more people in prison than any other country in the world, so when I hear people talk about how there is really little violent crime (except for the violent crime) in the US, it's kind of a joke.
You are welcome on my lawn.
"and shot a soldier with a rifle."
Is it ambiguous for others of whether the soldier was shot with a rifle or the soldier with a rifle was shot?
When I read it in my head, I naturally want to place a pause after "soldier", so I assume it should be more like "and shot a soldier, with a rifle".
and if we don't count gangland violence
Yes, feel free to discount any factors which disprove your hypothesis.
And then feel free to reclassify every gun death as being due to those factors. Black on black crime? Gangs. White on white crime? Gangs. Toddler accidentally shooting himself? POTENTIAL GANG MEMBER, PEOPLE.
Short memory? A crazy man stormed the white house.
They were complaining we didn't shoot the man 6 times as soon as he hopped the fence but after the dog had chewed on him a while so then Fox couldn't talk about conspiracies involving the "victim."
The difference here is we have a black democrat president. If it was Bush it would be another situation. If it was the amazingly unpopular congress that does not represent the public, the government would freak out while most the public would be disappointed no congressmen died.
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It's pretty easy to get a gun in Canada if you don't have a criminal record or mental illness, and can find people to vouch for you.
Not all types of guns - handguns are harder - mind you, but hunting is a pretty common sport and rifles or shotguns aren't a huge deal to get if you're patient.
What we *DON'T* have is stuff like carry permits etc allowing people to walk around in public with guns (which I still personally think is a bit crazy).
Bag 'em and/or lock 'em up until you're at the range or the hunting trails.
The US has one of the highest murder rates in the world (3.6/yr/100000 people)
Don't let facts get in the way of your hysteria.
We're not even in the top 10 of that. Places like Somalia, Venezuela (almost 100/100k), and other holes are far, far worse.
This is what happens when a country turns its back on Jesus.
Canada gave the vote to women. It lets gays marry. It allows Muslims in to spread their poisonous venom.
Turn to Jesus, he forgives!
You're right, the definition didn't change in 2003...it changed in 2001, because 9/11 changed everything, haven't you heard?
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
Your ratio is wrong. 90 guns per citizen X 300 million citizens = 27 billion guns.
I believe the correct number is 90 million guns, or 1 gun per 3 citizens.
It's true.
I do want to point out one thing though!
You can, for many things, own a normal sized magazine. The government themselves provides and publishes a loophole for you. ;-)
Here's how it works! And it's government approved, they practically encourage you to do it! It's like how although our ATF is weird and hardass about a lot of things, but they give you a wink wink nudge nudge thing about other things (like the arm brace stock that really gives you a short barreled rifle without the tax stamp, ATF dun care~).
You: .50 beowulf magazine. .223 into it
1. Purchased a perfectly legal
2. Load
3. Enjoy your legal almost normal cap magazine.
Note: It's not the same as being able to get a 30 rounder or 50 rounder here in the states, but 'tis much better than loading 5! However! You might have completely diff restrictions for hunting! Like here in the states you can have a 100 round mag but in most places you can only have 5 rounds loaded for semi-auto for hunting (hogs might be the exception!)
There's also work-arounds for some handguns :) Just depends!
What is annoying for them is you can't own silencers (or call it a suppressor if you want, whatever). And afaik they have a restriction in pistol barrel length (I could be wrong about this).
What seems to annoy Canadians the most is not what you can own or not own, but transport paperwork and restrictions.
And no criminal out there is going to care enough to go buy .50 beowulf mags, or an expensive stock for their AR to make a tax-stamp free "SBR" in the states, etc (they'd just illegally modify a legal mag, or chop the barrel off the cheapest AR possible, whatever--same reason you don't see an expensive custom 1911 used in a crime, but there's lots of sigmas in evidence lockers).
One hot summer day in 2011 I took a walk through Carp west of Ottawa. To my delight, across the road on my way there I saw nothing less than a gun expo, complete with pickup trucks and overweight people. I'm not an expert in Canadian gun-ownership laws, but to me Canada didn't seem to be altogether "Gun Free".
Yep, because a single shooting proves every effort to reduce gun crime anywhere in Canada, ever, has failed completely.
It could be happenstance that the two events happened so close together (another poster in the comments here mentioned many other events which could be justifications for today's shooting), but assuming we are talking about Islamic radicals again, I could see them taking advantage of the scare caused by the first event, thinking that they might induce more panic by chaining the two. If that's the case, we might have to deal with more attacks, depending on how organized they actually are.
This comes a few months after we've heard that a fair few Canadian citizens were suspected of having participated in jihads with ISIS before coming back into the country.
1. I think you mean 0.9:1, not 90:1.
2. Canada's murder rate is 1.6/100k people, not 0.5. The US is 4.7/100k. So, the US is 3x Canada, not 6x.
While I agree with your underlying point, your numbers are all wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Any good country would be appalled by the atrocities committed by ISIS and want to help stop them. Canada's reaction has nothing to do with the US. All you are advocating is ignoring other people's suffering.
Was the bowl tipped over?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
ISIL are the modern Nazis. Will the world rise up against them and storm them on the ground as our forefathers did, or will it sit back and play remote control bomb games with ineffective drones that take out civilians as well as enemy troops?
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
by the securistas to add more burden to the use of our civil liberties. Hey, one can dream.
Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
Fucking. Bull. Shit.
This is a goddamn NRA wet dream. Nothing more.
There are NO credible reports of any killing sprees ever being stopped by an armed civilian. Not even one. Not ever.
In every case where an armed civilian has tried to stop a mass killing they have been unsuccessful and most have died trying.
The ordinary American idiot with a gun is not mentally prepared to face off with a well-armed psychopathic killer who has nothing to lose.
... a professional security agent who works for the government. If the shooter was letting as much lead fly as some have been saying, you would be delirious to think that an average Joe with a pistol would have been effective in this situation. We're not sure who the dead gunman is yet, but it seems quite likely he had a goal in mind.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
> The US has a 90:1 gun:citizen ratio.
<looking for my 90 guns>
If you're using this table from Wikipedia, you're reading it wrong. That's 90 guns per 100 residents (that'd be a 0.9:1 gun:citizen ratio, sparky).
Kind of entertaining to see such a basic error on a "corrective" post. (I hope this post isn't a combo breaker; but this is Slashdot; I'm sure someone can find something wrong in it!)
So you're saying the world is 25 Billion People? Nice job fucktard!
The gunman was using a double barreled long shotgun says otherwise. If that was the best weapon they could find to go on rampage with, I would say it is working.
See page #27: https://portal.chicagopolice.o...
It's also important to remember that not all inner city gun violence is officially "gang-related" (as in, involved someone who was ACTUALLY a member of MS-13 or some other Gang (capital "G") that's being followed by the researchers). Here in the Baltimore Metro area, the rate of handgun violence is orders of magnitude higher in the city compared to the surrounding suburbs, and the motives are almost always drug-related (even if those involved weren't actually part of an official "gang"). Of course, both Chicago and Baltimore have some of the strictest gun laws in the country . . . clearly the answer is to tighten those even further and ignore the root causes of the violence.
Only thing I could think of was Canada's relationship status on Facebook...
Anyway I have no problem with the Queen as a symbol etc... However there are a ton of wasteful APPOINTMENTS (not democratic even), that cost the taxpayers millions of dollars each year.
I do not see the need for A) A lieutenant governor of Canada, or B) another one for each Province.
Not only is it political pork, but they each have an office, staff, and budgets to spend... because why?
Because that's probably why these guys had access to ordinary shotguns rather than automatic weapons and goodness knows what else.
Nobody expects or wants an absence of guns in Canada. They're too useful as tools. But reasonable limits on the types of weapons and who can possess them probably saved a lot of lives today.
Discounting gangland violence seems appropriate to me because why should we care about those who die while disobeying the law and actively undermining our society? The point of law and order is to safeguard members of society while they obey and contribute.
Self defense is better served by getting out of the way and letting the trained professionals handle it. Like the Sarjeant-at-Arms who shot one of the armed men dead in Parliament.
Ignore what I said above.
I start imagining conspiracies when I don't have my pills.
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
Initial reports suggested there were more gunmen at large, with a third shooting outside a shopping centre, fuelling the air of panic.
But that report was later retracted and the Ottawa police chief, Charles Bourdeleau, said it was unclear whether the dead gunman had acted alone or with accomplices.
Oh and sorry about piling all kinds on nonsense from "lone wolves" to little girls as if any of it is related.
I'm such a dick when I don't get my pills.
Anyone with reasonable intelligence knows that terrorist threat levels are nothing but security theatre.
Where was the slain reservists' weapon recovered...
He was guarding the National War Memorial. He probably had an unloaded but serviceable C7 assault rifle on his person (M16A3 analog) at the time. If my objective was to kill MPs on Parliament Hill the only sensible reason to divert to the War Memorial would be to trade up from an easy to obtain long gun rifle to a totally illegal (in Canada) automatic weapon.
Here's one. And there are plenty more out there. The Clackamas mall shooting was one. The US media doesn't cover them as much, because the body counts tend to be low, and they don't fit the narrative of "guns are evil".
It's not a good idea to lie in such absolute terms, when the internet can so easily prove you wrong.
...Obama.
Well... damnit! Maybe it's that George Carlin adage about arguing with idiots. :o)
so what ya be needing a gun for?
Shooting cans
Africans
Mexicans
Puerto Ricans
etc...
We have about 350M guns. We have about 330M people. Apparently wherever you're from, they don't teach math skills.
3.6 murders / 100k is pretty damn low. But most of those are drug crime related. Our rate drops by over 50% when not including drug crime, as I said. Apparently wherever you're from, they don't teach reading skills.
The FBI crime statistics from 1993 to 2013 show a clear drop in US violent crime and murder rates, while we've dramatically pushed back gun control. Apparently that's nonsense to you, because it doesn't support your preconceived notions. Just go back to sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "La la la la la...".
Saudi's blow up WTC - bomb Iraq.
Quebec guy snipes Ottara - bomb Iraq.
Hysterical.
Need Mercedes parts ?
Because the cause of most gang violence is the war on drugs. End that and the violence will plummet, just like it did after they ended alcohol prohibition 80 years ago.
Between the United States and Canada, there is significantly more people in the United States, (nearly 10:1!) yet a higher rate per capita of violent crime in Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
Our lowest violent bracket in Canada is 800. Up north (where there ARE only ~50-80K people) here in Canada violent crime rates are horrendously under-reported at ~8-10K per year. The numbers are a little fudged though, we don't include people that are never reported missing (but their possessions are found later) but do include people known to be missing that are found dead and assumed to be from wildlife or starvation. (there's no law saying a bear can't eat you!)
in terms of OVERALL crime, the USA win's there. With rates as high as 86K incidents per 100K people per year, there's almost no contest.
Gun deaths are still not about guns; they're about culture. Switzerland is proof. Few countries have more guns per capita, yet gun violence is rare there. Why? Proper training of a citizen militia is a factor, but not a sufficient one. Its cultural differences with the US has everything to do with it, not gun ownership levels, which are comparable.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
It's a gun free zone for all legal practical purposes because you're not allowed to carry in most circumstances. Outside of hunting (with hunting rifles only), your guns can be either in your home, at the shooting range, or on your person, bagged, and only if you're on or reasonably near a direct path between your home and the shooting range. Many types of guns are restricted to only your home, and many cannot be possessed at all.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Umm you sure about that?
Here's one situation where trying to fight the bad guys with a gun turned out bad for the private gun owner. The cops ended up killing the couple so the sad fact is if this guy didn't try to handle the situation himself, he would still be alive. This isn't like the movies, in reality you don't want to be in these kind of conflicts.
http://www.bigwowo.com/2014/06...
Police have corrected that unconfirmed report. There was no shooting at the mall. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic...
Magic doesn't work in my presence. My power of disbelief is too strong.
The armedwithreason.com link does a good job of refuting the gang statistic, but it's a red herring. Many people that are murdered with a gun have a criminal background. Does it matter whether or not the criminal was a member of an organized gang? The implication is the same, the murder was committed within the context of other illegal activity. That site has another article implying that the amount of guns in the US is a leading factor behind suicide rates in the US, which is insulting to anybody who has lost someone to depression.
It's also just factually insulting because Japan exists.
Grains of salt all around.
Our murder rate and crime rate in general has more to do with our lack of education and lack of integration than it has to do with guns.
Take away the 11k or so gun murders committed every year, and you're still left with 5k murders committed with knives, hammers, and fists. And that's assuming that none of those 11k gun murders would have been executed via other means.
I'm all for ending the war on drugs. Along with stricter gun laws, it will put a serious dent in the number of innocent people who get shot every year.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You are comparing apples and orangutan's. The definition of "violent crime" is very different between the FBI and Statistics Canada. StatsCan includes items like "uttering threats" and "harassment". The FBI does not.
Heck, from your own link (the first one):
Please try and understand the data you are reading before spouting off incorrect statements.
When will people realise that Islam isn't the religion of peace? I suppose one good thing to come out of this is that next time people suggest that we appease the Muslims, that maybe if we just let them take more sex slaves and kill more non-muslims they'd leave us alone we can point out that even a moderate country like Canada is targeted by Muslims
I'm glad to see you doing the usual gun control support shtick and ignoring "violent crime" except for murder.
The Canadian violent crime rate was roughly 1,190 incidents per 100,000 population (in 2011).
The US violent crime rate was roughly 390 incidents per 100,000 population (in 2011).
So, yes, while you are twice as likely to be killed in the US, you are three times as like to be beaten or robbed in Canada.
Sources:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2013001/article/11854-eng.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime
We, in Canada, also count simple assault (slapping, spitting, pushing, etc, which result in no serious bodily harm) where the US does not. From the US wiki article:
"The reported US violent crime rate includes murder, rape and sexual assault, robbery, and assault,[54] whereas the Canadian violent crime rate includes all categories of assault, including Assault level 1 (i.e., assault not using a weapon and not resulting in serious bodily harm).[43][44] A Canadian government study concluded that direct comparison of the 2 countries' violent crime totals or rates was "inappropriate".[55]"
From the articles you linked to, it looks as though Ontario has the lowest rate of violent crime (900/100K residents) with Nunavut as the highest (10K/100K) with an overall rate of 1100/100K. Again, these rates include all forms of assault, not just ones that cause injury like the US does. The US has an overall rate of 386/100K, but does not include simple assault nor sexual assault in that total. Looking at the overall numbers paints Canada as a lot less safe than the US, but digging in a bit suggests that we're actually over-reporting in relation to the US. After having lived in the most violent city in Canada (Winnipeg) for 20+ years, and in some of the most violent places in the US (Baltimore, DC, Richmond) I can say, anecdotally, while I may've been more worried about getting a punch in the mouth in Winnipeg for telling someone to go fuck themselves, I was a lot more worried about getting shot so kept my mouth shut in Baltimore.
Keep on knockin'
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Despite earlier reports of shots fired near the Rideau Centre shopping mall east of Parliament Hill, police later said "no incident occurred near the Rideau Centre."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-cpl-nathan-cirillo-dies-of-wounds-gunman-also-shot-dead-1.2808710
I thought the North Americans with their progressive gun laws would have prevented this thing from happening. On the other hand most Americans don't realize just how many Muslims there are in North America. There are almost but not quite equal to the percentage of South Americans living in America. The only difference is that the Muslims seem to be integrating more into the society of the evil Oppressive North American overlords. There is no move on the part of the South Americans living in America illegally to integrate. As a matter of fact the seem to live above the law, don't pay taxes, and if a South American does shoot an American it is hushed up in order not to spread racial disharmony. There is an active movement to take back the western part of America and put it back in hands of the South Americans. (la raza). This is justified because the Americans took over the land from the South Americans after they took it over from the Native Americans, who took it over from another people. Native Americans are not native, and they in fact crossed over on the land bridge. This make them Russians in my mind. America always did hate Russians, so I think the Indian wars though perhaps not justified were at least consistent with the conservative anti-communist stance of the 1950's. What was not consistent was the South Americans hatred and hostility towards the Russians living in South America. I guess they just wanted to take over their land and steal their gold. The Americans just wanted to cleanse America of the scourge of communism before it got started. Just my 2 pennies.
Because 90% or more of gangbangers are killing other gangbangers.
While it is desirable to reduce that number as much as possible, it's one of those "We don't really care" situations. Since we're not gangbangers, you see.
The US Capitol used to be that open and unguarded too; Americans could walk right into the buildings and seek-out their representatives - just show-up at their offices. Americans used to be able to freely visit the White House - they could walk right up to the front door and knock on it.
Then came an act of domestic terrorism that took-out Abe Lincoln. Then came the assassination of President McKinley, the attempted assassination of Teddy Rossevelt, WWI, WWII, the Cold War, the Assassination of JFK, the Attempted assassination of President Reagan, the rise of modern radical Muslim extremism, 9-11, etc.
When your political leaders are men of consequence, their actions can be significant enough to enrage opponents to the point of violence. When your nation is a nation of consequence, it can face opponents whose only possible successful attack is a terrorist one. With such leaders and such a country, security is needed. Countries that have little or no impact in world affairs and who pride themselves on being inoffensive and having no real impact need no such security. Thinking that you need no security because you are so "good" is based on several a false premises:
1. Not everybody agrees on the definition of "good"; You may believe you need no security because you are "good", but your opponents may actually see you as "weak and submissive" so your not being attacked may not be the good sign you think it is.
2. Not being attacked is not a sign of being loved; Historically, weak and ineffective nations face three fates: being conquered immediately because they have resources somebody else needs and are easy-pickings, being conquered last because they are no threat while other more-powerful countries are eliminated first, or being protected by allying with somebody who IS powerful and ceding some independence in the process of becoming a "junior partner" (and thereafter having a fate tied to that of the "senior partner").
3. Multiculturalism is NO solution; You might think that trashing your own culture and prosecuting your own people for "offending" your would-be conquerers will win you peace and goodwill and a future of coexistence, but your enemies see this as a sign of weakness, stupidity and cowardice. Your passivity and "tolerance" of them is proof that you will be easily defeated and that they are indeed superior
Not needing security for your leaders and institutions is NOT something to be proud of in the modern world.
That completely false. Unrestricted firearms can be transported anywhere so long as they are unloaded and in a lockable device or trunk. Unrestricted firearms includes any firearm that is not automatic, has a barrel of 470mm or more, and is 660mm in length or more (or specifically prohibited).
That includes:
M-14
Ruger 10/22
Mossberg 500
SKS
M305
Ruger Mini 14 & 30
Most sniper rifles except the Gepard oddly.
The rest, you can still own/transport/display/etc but there are more restrictions like making the device inoperable, obtaining special permits, etc
Or, it could be a copycat. Wingnut sees news about killing soldiers, thinks his time for glorious martyrdom has come, and jumps in his car. I mean he killed one guy, drove to the Parliament, hopped a security fence, and ran in. Doesn't seem like much of a plan.
Magic doesn't work in my presence. My power of disbelief is too strong.
Wow, that's like 27 billion guns, isn't it? Where are the rest of mine?
To be fair, Japan has an extremely high suicide rate and restrictive gun laws, so ignoring suicide makes sense.
oh and I should point out, the lockable device or trunk is only when it's in an "unattended" vehicle. If it's on your person it's perfectly fine. What is illegal in Canada, without a permit, is the concealment of the firearm. ie: if you want to walk down the street with an unrestricted shotgun you're free to do so, just keep it in plain view and unloaded. Minor restrictions apply like not in public meetings, you can't point it at someone even when unloaded, and you can't be "careless" with it - but other than that, you can do as you want.
We are in a total lockdown. No one gets in or out.
Tunney's Pasture eh?
Harper has been trying for a while to get people pissed off enough to hit Canada. It improves his chances of staying in power because people do not like to switch horses in the middle of a fight. He must be inwardly smiling.
"It's time to deal with extremists."
That sentence should be expanded to:
"It's time to deal with extremists who defend oppression."
Because "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
had he latched onto any other ideology (like aliens are real or the boogeyman is going to eat your children)
Check out the hundreds of attacks listed at TheReligionOfPeace.com (the domain name is sarcastic, but the list is meticulously researched).
The fact is, there are no comparable websites for any other ideology -- nor would it be possible to create a comparable website for any other ideology, because there are no other ideologies that come anywhere close to inspiring that many acts of violence.
So why do you build up this strawman about "had he latched onto any other ideology"?
So you're saying this was an act of "conventional war" against Canada? That's rather bigger news than a terrorist attack.
I am from a country where the majority of the people are Muslims. I know what Islam is
On the other hand, you guys in Europe, in Canada, in America, in Japan, Korea, or the Argentine, the knowledge you guys have on Islam is what they are telling you - and when I say THEY, I mean the authority, the power that be
No matter if it is the government of the United States of America, or the British government, or that of France, Germany, Italy, will insist that Islam is a "Religion of Peace"
Day in, and day out, you are being indoctrinated with the notion that "Islam = Peace" by your own government, and that is not enough
Even those Muslims will tell you that their religion, Islam, is the Religion of Peace
That is why I can fault you for thinking that "Islam = Peace", because that is what you have been told
But for us, we know better
We have been living under the Islamic cruelty all the time. We have witnessed how cruel Islam is, to what extend those Muslims will go to further their conquest (their ultimate aim is to take over the entier world) and they will kill whoever dare to oppose them
I have thousands and thousands of examples to show you, but to make this message short, I will show you one - Warning: Please refrain from clicking the link if you can't stand the gory
In Thailand, they killed children ---
https://shariaunveiled.files.w...
As I said, there are thousands and thousands of proofs of the cruelty of Islam. All you need to do is to google for it
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I think you'd do better to say that Canadian cities have very few guns, as you're allowed to carry all over the place in the country, which is a significant portion of Canada. Even as far as the city goes, people carry guns all over the place. You can even get a concealed carry permit, and some do.
The difference between the US and Canada is that a) fully automatic weapons and other weapons that serve no useful purpose are banned for common carry (but can still be carried with a special permit) and b) you need to be able to show a level of competency, a level of responsibility, or a reasonable cause to carry any specific firearm. That, and there's no "right" to bear arms. You have the same issue with carrying around pretty much any weapon, be it a sword, a compound hunting bow, or a blow gun. In general, people don't have a problem with that.
I'm more than happy to leave that job to security professionals. They tend to do a good job of it too.
What about to enable armed revolt against a runaway government? Isn't that why the US has the right to bear arms?
Well, she is our titular head of state ... but she has no actual power and gets no money from us,
This, and countless other sources say you are wrong.
Even the Canadian Government says you are wrong, but of course they attempt to justify it and package it so that it looks like it's not only "free" but money well spent. Think really really hard about that last statement.
I remember a debate with an Auzzie not too long ago regarding the same thing. "Oh, the Queen does not make money", but then again she does and the other monarchs do as well. "It generates tourism" is probably the most common reason for giving cash to these people, who really do believe you are beneath them.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
canada geese are actually pretty bloody delicious roasted with root vegetables and spinach.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
... yeah, or not.
At least one indubitable fact today was that the only thing that stopped the bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun.
Arabs again?
I wonder if this is a staged event to drown out the fact that four BW members were found guilty of the Nusoor Square shootings?
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Look up the per-capita crime by race, and you'll find a white person is just as likely to commit murder/violent crime in the US as any English Country. Same goes for blacks(which is a multiple more)... Then look at the # demographic numbers in each country...
It's nature, not nurture.
More bluntly, America has more crime because they have significantly higher # of people who commit violent crime, and it's proportional in the UK, Canada, and USA. But oh no, thats wrong, racism is bad, we are all equally tempered and intelligent despite what the statistics say.
the reason they discount "gangland" violence is because those people have already broken the laws, and further restricting the Rights of honest citizens will not make a single dent in the levels of "gangland" violence.
You can have them I don't much care for duck or goose but will hunt goose and give it people in the party if they eat it. I understand it is better when smoked for a long time as that helps with the greasiness of it which is what I don't like.
Time to offend someone
Are you inferring that it is only terrorism if the target is important enough or the number if victims is high enough? You are sadly mistaken then.
This was textbook terrorism, a loud public statement and nothing at all personal. The terrorist shot and killed a ceremonial military guard at the cenotaph, a monument honouring our fallen soldiers. If that doesnt make a statement of hatred and distain for a nation then what does?
The terrorists very next act was to proceed directly to the centre block of parliament, where the prime minister and his cabinet were meeting. He was fatally shot by the seargant at arms, who found the criminal roaming the halls looking for more victims.
There is no doubt here at all.
You are aware that these positions are appointed by their political masters right? The Gov. Gen, is appointed by the PM, and the LG by their Provincial Premier... I am not sure what kind of sanity check or emergency break they are seeing as they owe their very position to the one they are supposed to be limiting.
Case and point PM Harper proroguing government multiple times to avoid having to face scandal or answering uncomfortable questions, to which each time requires the GG approval, and she did it every single time, even with public protest to the contrary.
As to the public relations, the last one was involved in a scandal that basically had her spending close to 50 million dollars for what amounted to a bunch of parties with political leaders, private jet trips, etc...
So no, they are totally useless positions that spend money, that are undemocratic, that are pork handed out by political leaders to flunkies. There is absolutely no need for them. They were in the past, the Queen's hand within government, however now that that hand is totally symbolic, it is just a left over anarchism that has position, power, money, to be doled out for political favors. Git rid of them all already.
Why does the US, with so many gun-toting civilians present to stop people from getting shot by other gun-toting civilians, have such a high gun-related murder rate?
No. You cannot say "we're a country of low violent crime except for all the violent criminals".
I'll bet you see the fallacy in that argument.
You are welcome on my lawn.
How about self defense against against a nut job on a killing spree? The least successful spree killers in the US have all been stopped by an armed civilian, not a government employee.
You do know there's only been seven such "nut jobs on a killing spree" in all of recorded history in Canada. Only 1 in the past 25 years.
This is the type of unsubstantiated comments that get moderated upwards now? This site really is dead.
Catchphrase: I engaged the suspect. He is now deceased.
It is clear that the Rideau Centre shooting never happened... also there was only one shooter, not two. But the RCMP kept the city on lockdown for a day, a school system kept in shelter-in-place, and everyone told to keep indoors, away from windows. It was a lot of excessive panic, and the RCMP failed to recognize the number of shooters. The PM was quiet all day, then gave a speech in the evening with a red/white tie, in front of two flags. The very next day the gov't tried to introduce new security legislation. Total waste of money, and clearly hosing down the security services with money for 6 years has not made them any more competent. It isn't a case of terrorism or Islamic radicalism - this guy was not part of the "Muslim Community". It seems clear he was schizophrenic and unconnected to anybody.Why are we considering a response at all? There are shootings everyday. Its terrible a soldier was shot, but wives, children and innocent men get murdered every day. This is hardly a serious event, even in Canadian history. Canada lost more to terrorism at the Air India incident and at 9/11. I don't know if Canadians will swallow the need for greater powers for the RCMP, who are totally incompetent.