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Battlestar Galactica Creator Glen A. Larson Dead At 77

schwit1 writes Glen A. Larson, the wildly successful television writer-producer whose enviable track record includes 'Six Million Dollar Man', Quincy M.E., Magnum, P.I., Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider and The Fall Guy, has died. He was 77. From the article: Battlestar Galactica lasted just one season on ABC from 1978-79, yet the show had an astronomical impact. Starring Lorne Greene and Richard Hatch as leaders of a homeless fleet wandering through space, featuring special effects supervised by Star Wars’ John Dykstra and influenced by Larson’s Mormon beliefs, Battlestar premiered as a top 10 show and finished the year in the top 25. But it was axed after 24 episodes because, Larson said, each episode cost “well over” $1 million.

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  1. Creato? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nice spelling there, bub.

    1. Re: Creato? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Creato shot first.

    2. Re:Creato? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Dice's finances are currently taking a hit, so they've asked Slashdot editors to conserve "R"s.

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    3. Re:Creato? by Desler · · Score: 2

      The sad part is the submission had it spelled correctly. "Creato" was all timothy.

    4. Re:Creato? by Richy_T · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard something about too much Rs breaking the internet.

    5. Re:Creato? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      oh you git, I just got ove listening to the X Fools episode "The Lette M". Now I got to deal with a missing lette between Q and S...

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    6. Re:Creato? by clickety6 · · Score: 1

      It's all down to the fact that timothy can't tell his R's from his elbow.

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    7. Re:Creato? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I knew it! AC is actually Wolverine!

    8. Re:Creato? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      It's a reaction against the E/O droppers: tumblr, grindr etc.

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    9. Re:Creato? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      > I heard something about too much Rs breaking the internet.

      Yeah, they promote piracy.

      Arrrrrr!

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  2. Editor incompetence... by x0ra · · Score: 1, Funny

    Seriously, a basic typo on the title of a news make it to the front page ? I'm all for giving /. a chance wrt. the poor quality of article and the associated criticizes, but this is pushing it a bit far...

    1. Re:Editor incompetence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, a basic typo on the title of a news make it to the front page ? I'm all for giving /. a chance wrt. the poor quality of article and the associated criticizes, but this is pushing it a bit far...

      The best decade of timothy's life was second grade.

      And it's been all downhill from there.

      Don't be mean to him.

    2. Re:Editor incompetence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dupe articles, introduce typos and factual errors into submissions and basically have worse literacy than a sea cucumber?

    3. Re:Editor incompetence... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      This is a sea cucumber. This is a land cucumber. The land cucumber tastes good when you put it in your mouth. When you open your mouth to insert a sea cucumber it fills with salt water.

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    4. Re:Editor incompetence... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      It is too soon for the singularity.

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  3. Insightful or Sloppy Editing? by tysonedwards · · Score: 1, Funny

    Somehow, I doubt that the poster meant "Creato" in the italian sense, being the past tense of for Cresco, or to "produce, create, bring forth"...

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    1. Re:Insightful or Sloppy Editing? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      No, the submission had it spelled correctly. Timmay is the one who introduced the typo.

    2. Re:Insightful or Sloppy Editing? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is to become an Italian language website however since Dice is broke and the translation software expensive, they can only buy one word at a time.

      I always wondered about the name -- "dice" (verb, Italian): he/she/it says. Quite appropriate for a website that just quotes other sites...

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    3. Re:Insightful or Sloppy Editing? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      No, the submission had it spelled correctly. Timmay is the one who introduced the typo.

      If you use "Timmay" as an insult, you completely missed Parker and Stone's point.

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  4. Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's probably the downfall of the show, scifi ages so quickly. Probably why Lucas kept futzing with his own creation after release.

    And those are 70s shows. Even something like late-80s/early-90s TNG sucks and not just from the 1960s-ish storylines. Just the lighting and everything is terrible and the effects, especially that Q-web.

    We're going to think 90s shows are safe, until our kids, weaned on 8k and occulus rift 4.0 (8k, 3d, and who knows what else) shoot down our illusions and tell us how shit even 1080p looks.

    1. Re: Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think we'll be fine so long as you don't have kids

    2. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No - the original Battlestar Galactica was real crap. Cheesy as all heck. Soooo bad that when a friend of mine tried to introduce me to the new Battlestar Galactica I was beyond skeptical.

      The original Star Trek, on the other hand, has aged well considering the low budgets, etc.

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    3. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just keep that famous saying in mind, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a cheesy special effect." This even happens with nature - ever seen an aurora or a video of one? It looks like really shitty CGI, but it's real. *shrug*

    4. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's probably the downfall of the show, scifi ages so quickly. Probably why Lucas kept futzing with his own creation after release.

      ...

      Ummm, no.

      By Return of the Jedi Lucas had enough money and therefore power, no one could keep his inner Jar-Jar from crawling out of the cesspool.

    5. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by davydagger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      in science fiction, as well as video games, graphics get dated very very quickly. what makes a timeless piece are things like plot, character, and storyline. Star Wars has a timeless plot. The original star treks do as well, even if they are not quite as epic. The overacting has its own appeal, as does the now very retro paper mache monster heads and costumes

    6. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No - the original Battlestar Galactica was real crap. Cheesy as all heck

      I think you're really looking at the show unfairly. When it came on the air (over 36 years ago) there was nothing else like it on television. Nothing. Sure it was riding the Star Wars wave, and it recycled FX shots, but at the time it was groundbreaking. Think about what else was on then - The Incredible Hulk, Vegas, Dallas.

      I still remember the first time the trailer aired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    7. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by stox · · Score: 3

      And hopefully, there will never be anything like it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    8. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      For me, Han not shooter first ruined the idea of his redemption. He did, he was a scoundrel smuggler! The Light Side saved him, that's part of the whole point of the movies.

    9. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Funny

      And hopefully, there will never be anything like it again.

      But Jane Seymour!

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    10. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Star Trek TOS holds up incredibly well. Probably because it had excellent writing and a thoughtful take on the material.

    11. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The original Battlestar Galactica TV series was over a decade after the original Star Trek TV Series. Battlestar Galactica was far from groundbreaking.

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    12. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      No - the original Battlestar Galactica was real crap. Cheesy as all heck

      I think you're really looking at the show unfairly. When it came on the air (over 36 years ago) there was nothing else like it on television.

      I remember having friends over to see the first episode. I am a pretty uncritical consumer of space opera, and I said I thought it was pretty good. Two guys, two girls all looked at me like I was a retard.

      I have to admit, it did suck pretty badly, even considering the state of s.f. television back then.

    13. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Heh, yes the writing did leave a lot to be desired, but at least the show was intended to be family-friendly, as in it could be watched by kids.

      Entirely unlike the reboot.

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    14. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      Space: Above and Beyond followed a very similar path to the original BSG (only ran one season, etc.) Except it was, arguably, pretty well written. It was definitely one of those 'ahead of it's time' shows. I could see a reboot doing very well, if only someone could wrestle the rights away from Fox - and this time not spend such a huge chunk of the production budget on bleeding edge CGI (which ended up being the perfect reason to axe it).

    15. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      I agree. The writing was terrible... total hack job. There was a scene in one episode (second season?) where the two space jockeys from Galactica were showing off their math skills on a computer to a journalist on Earth. It was totally ripped off of Day the Earth Stood Still. And that robot dog and the kid --- agh!! And the cylons with the red LED scanner, just like that Knight Rider car thing (and Gort... hmmm).

      Not to mention Automan and Manimal :(

    16. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      Right. To be specific, Battlestar Galactica was very badly written, whereas Star Trek was well written. If each episode of Galactica really "cost 'well over' $1 million", that illustrates the problem. Good writing, meaning good stories and good characters, isn't easy to do, but it doesn't cost much.

      When the original Galactica came on, I was already a Star Trek fan, so it seemed like a very good thing. But try as I might, I just couldn't like it. The stories weren't interesting, the characters were shallow, and it wasn't even well cast - it's hard to relate to Lorne Green as a sci-fi patriarch after having run been a cowboy patriarch in Bonanza.

      Knowing what I know now, it seems as if they were trying to compensate for a lack of writing with a lot of flash. No wonder it cost too much to support the hopeful, though ultimately disappointed, audience that it drew.

    17. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When it came on the air (over 36 years ago) there was nothing else like it on television. Nothing.

      Space:1999 had gone off the air a couple of years before. Not the best writing ever (especially the second season), and there were some interesting issues with the science on the show, but the effects were quite good for the time.

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    18. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      Probably because it had excellent writing and a thoughtful take on the material.

      That, and William Ware Theiss's awesome costumes for the female guest stars.

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    19. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      Londo Mollari's hair vehemently denies its own appeal.

    20. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      And the cylons with the red LED scanner, just like that Knight Rider car thing

      At least this wasn't copied from someone else, as Glen A. Larson was the creator of both.

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    21. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I really enjoyed the series, but I watched it aged about 9-12. I've avoided watching it again, because I think I was probably in the right age demographic the first time. Knight Rider, on the other hand, I re-watched recently and still enjoyed.

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    22. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The addition of the scene with Jabba was because the original looked old?

      The scene with Jabba was in the novelisation that George Lucas wrote in 1977. I was under the impression that it was filmed, but didn't make it into the original because they couldn't make it look anything other than terrible with the special effects at the time.

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    23. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

      I thought it was the greatest thing—saw it at a friend's house who had rigged his stereo to his TV (long before that became a feature,) so I got to watch it in high-quality mono. It looks really cheesy to me now, but I was ten years old at the time.

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    24. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      it was filmed, with not a giant slug but a slightly overweight guy wearing (among other things) animal furs. It was cut because GL had formed the idea of Jabba being the giant slug for Jedi but he didn't want to reshoot the scene, so it was simply cut. It wasn't reshot for the special editions either, Jabba was CGI'd in and when Solo walks around behind him... his avatar is soapboxed to make it appear as if he's standing on the Hutt's tail.

      source: Trilogy box set "Making Of (Episode IV) 1997 Special Edition"

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    25. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      it was filmed, with not a giant slug but a slightly overweight guy wearing (among other things) animal furs. It was cut because GL had formed the idea of Jabba being the giant slug for Jedi but he didn't want to reshoot the scene, so it was simply cut.

      I think it was rightfully cut because it has the exact same dialog as the Greedo scene, and doesn't add anything to the story.

      The Greedo scene, OTOH, shows Han to be a "the only fair fight is one I win" kind of guy, which makes him coming to help Luke at the Death Star even more important to his character.

    26. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by msobkow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget these were the "family friendly" seventies. It really limited just how "edgy" a show could be in it's writing, and technology *seriously* limited the effectiveness of F/X.

      But you know what? I enjoyed what "SciFi" there was at the time. It sure beat the heck out of crap like "Dallas" or "Hee-Haw". :P

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    27. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the "red scanner" was Gort, also from Day the Earth Stood Still. At least Larson watched movies...

    28. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      And hopefully, there will never be anything like it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Hey, they're doing it wrong.

      That isn't supposed to happen until the second or third season.

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    29. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by babydog · · Score: 1

      I saw the premiere in the student union, the only place on campus where we could watch ABC. It was interrupted by the signing of the Camp David peace treaty between Begin and Arafat, ran late. It was crap. Over the course of the season, fewer folks wandered into the student union to watch it.

    30. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

      I think you're really looking at the show unfairly. When it came on the air (over 36 years ago) there was nothing else like it on television.

      Also, I just now Googled "Battlestar Galactica cheesy 2009", "Battlestar Galactica cheesy 2008" etc. on backward, and it seems to have become a meme only when BSG came on in 2004. So it appears to be some revisionist history based upon post-BSG experiences rather than cheesy-at-the-time experiences.

    31. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by operagost · · Score: 1

      The SFX were decent for TV, but I still can't fathom how they could have resulted in a $1 million budget per episode. I think it's more like Greene and Hatch's salaries that are to blame.

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    32. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      That's because until the new Battlestar Galactica, everyone who had seen the original had done their best to forget it. One of the worst sci-fi series ever, I suspect that Lorne Greene agreed to do it only because, years after the cancellation of Bonanza, he had run out of horses to grind up and sell as Alpo.

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    33. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Well, there's always Firefly for the kids :-)

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    34. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Edgy TV shows from the past: The Twilight Zone (59-64) The Outer Limits (63-65) was also pretty good. Star Trek ('60s) had the first inter-racial kiss on TV. All In The Family ('71-'79) was prime time exposure to per-marital sex, gays, racism and sexism. Ah, good times ...

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    35. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      You may be onto something. To be fair, maybe it was simply aimed at a younger audience than Star Trek.

    36. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Teancum · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, it did suck pretty badly, even considering the state of s.f. television back then.

      I don't think you remember the state of sci fi television in the late 1970's. It was mainly Star Trek reruns and really horrible stuff like Lost in Space, I Dream of Jeanie (fitting a very loose description of science fiction) or real classics like "It came from Outer Space" or "The Attack of the 50' Woman" and even "The Absent Minded Professor" on late-night television. This is when the Herbie movies were being made. Other TV series contemporary with this include "Electro Woman and DynaGirl" and "Jason of Star Command".

      Compared to most of the other stuff, Battlestar Galactica was in comparison pretty hardcore SF. It was done in a style rather similar to Star Wars, but with its own mythos. If you are saying this was cheesy and comical, so was Star Wars by nearly every one of the same metrics. They took some liberties due to the episodic nature of the series, but it wasn't nearly as bad as you or your friends thought.... or your memories are fading quite a bit from what other stuff during that era was like. It certainly is unfair to compare this to Firefly or Farscape.

    37. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I really enjoyed the series, but I watched it aged about 9-12. I've avoided watching it again, because I think I was probably in the right age demographic the first time. Knight Rider, on the other hand, I re-watched recently and still enjoyed.

      I'm in the same boat -- it was great when I was a kid, and that's the audience it was aimed at.

      I did rewatch the pilot and another episode or two about ten years ago, and it wasn't a nostalgia-destroying experience.

      The lesson it took out of the Star Trek playbook was to look back at myth and legend, and it modelled itself loosely on the Odessey and Jason and the Argonauts (clearly more directly in the pilot than in the later episodes), replacing the different countries and islands with planets. A lot of the cheesiness (other than the costumes etc) comes from the fact that it rejected the whole concept of the novel, and was a pre-Quijote "romance" -- a tale of stereotyped heroes. The big objections here are about lack of character development, but Odyssey didn't even get a name -- he was just referred to by Homer as "the journeyer".

      I actually think the balance has gone too far the other way now, with TV being too navely-gazey about character motivations when they should just be getting on with the story.

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    38. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Teancum · · Score: 2

      Worst Sci Fi series ever? I can name several candidates for that, including "Logan's Run" (the TV series) or some of the really awful stuff pushed onto Saturday morning kids programming (is Scooby Doo considered SF?) Ever hear of "Land of the Lost"? Heck, what about Doctor Who from the 1970's?

      At the time it was made, there was little you could point to as episodic series that were any better. If you can name more than five shows that were of superior quality.... far superior quality that almost anybody would agree with you... please feel free to name them. They must have been made before 1980 though. I don't think you can. After 1980 there have been many shows that were better, but you are looking at it from the wrong perspective if you make that comparison.

    39. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Informative

      Jabba is also really small, but this is rationalised away as "he's an alien, we don't know how quickly he would grow." And then they proceeded to insert not one but two original-Jabba-sized Hutts in ep 1, and no New Hope Jabba-sized ones.

      And Solo isn't an "avatar", there's no digital trickery in the actual character -- he's just space-shifted up the frame. It's clumsy and horrendous to watch.

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    40. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I suspect they only found Earth so quickly because it reduced the special effects budget....

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    41. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Teancum · · Score: 1

      The reason season two was retooled is mainly because the show was cancelled but at the last minute one of the network executives changed their mind. The only actor they could get to come back on a regular contract was Loren Green, but they needed to recast pretty much the rest of the show. That of course gave the disaster which was Galactica 1980, where the only episode worth watching was the one where Dirk Benedict came back as a guest star for one episode.

      Not all shows go through this, but it does happen when networks get sort of schizophrenic about what they want and push their agenda on the series producers. The rural purge is an extreme example of what can happen in that situation to trash the entire schedule including otherwise successful and popular shows. Sometimes merely the threat that the series will be next is enough to force this retooling you are talking about.

    42. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      5 great sci-fi episodic series before 1980? The Outer Limits (1963-65), The Twilight Zone (1959-64) , the original Star Trek (1966-69), Space:1999 (1975-77), The Prisoner (1967-68), and for a bonus (#6) (because of the setting - NASA, the characters - astronauts, the bending of the laws of physics, the humor, etc.) I Dream of Jeannie (1965-70).

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    43. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Other TV series contemporary with this include "Electro Woman and DynaGirl" and "Jason of Star Command".

      My brain hurts from you triggering that deep-buried memory. I'll be messed up all week with that stuff replaying through my head.

      My young brain thought the space scenes in Galactica were awesome, and I totally bought all the mass destruction in the pilot. Cylons scared the shit out of me... like Berzerk come to life (with the same inevitable outcome). I was able to see past all the dumb stuff, particularly because Star Wars had left me so hungry for more like it and there was just nothing. But even back then I felt the show started to fizzle out after the Pegasus episodes.

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    44. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Teancum · · Score: 1

      I would disagree with you on Space: 1999 and argue strongly that The Prisoner really isn't even science fiction at all nor is really I Dream of Jeannie. Still, a strong attempt with nearly a hundred other shows that it is competing against.

    45. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Teancum · · Score: 1

      But even back then I felt the show started to fizzle out after the Pegasus episodes.

      On this I completely agree. The "Terra" episodes really started to push credibility, as did Count Iblis. I liked the series finale as it sort of suggested perhaps they might be going back to their roots again and hinted at some much better episodes in the future... that never came.

    46. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Ooooh, I would not say that Space: Above and Beyond was well written, at least not through most of its run. It was moody 20-somethings in space, and none of them were what we would consider a credible soldier.

      It did seem like it was starting to find its footing right about when it was canceled, so maybe it could have developed into something fine. Literally the last episode aired, I thought "wow, that was actually a good episode." The first time I actually -wanted- to see the next episode instead of my just watching because it was the only sci-fi series besides DS9 you could see at the time unless you got cable.

    47. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I liked the Count Iblis storylines; I think it was a high point in the series. Unfortunately they ran low on the budget several times, so between good multi-part story lines, you had standalone budget-saver episodes that copied other TV series or movies, like the several times where Starbuck gets marooned, the one where Starbuck gets conned by a man claiming to be his father, etcetc. BSG's problem was that it was originally conceived of as a series of TV movies, but perhaps the network balked, and it was re-envisioned as a regular series. That's why you have those filler episodes in between 2-part 2-hour story arcs. I think the series would have worked better if it'd stuck to that original format.

    48. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      There was a scene in one episode (second season?) where the two space jockeys from Galactica were showing off their math skills on a computer to a journalist on Earth

      That's a different TV series.

      Battlestar Galactica lasted one season, 78-79.
      Galactica 1980 came out a year later, and shares almost nothing with the earlier series.

    49. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by Megane · · Score: 1

      FWIW, even the original DVD of the first episode / movie version was in glorious 1.1 mono with SENSURROUND. Dude rigged up the wrong home theater equipment, he needed sub-woofers! Stereo (like color and wide screen) is just one of those things that you miss the most from stuff that came out just before it went mainstream.

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    50. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Battlestar Galactica was far from groundbreaking.

      http://www.aintitcool.com/node...

      I remain amazed by the number of chances the show took in terms of its approaches to faith (or the questioning there of), its handling of grief and loss, and illustrating the effects of war and adversity on not only adults - but children (notably Noah Hathaway's Boxey). The show impressively nailed its thematics of religion vs pragmatism, military vs government, the haves vs the have nots, father vs son, and suggested a far bigger and bolder universe than its first season - and its considerably less visionary follow-up GALACTICA 1980 - had a chance to fully explore.

      Thus, I strongly assert that - despite its many shortcomings and frustrating elements - the 'classic' BATTLESTAR GALACTICA never got its due. It never found the innate corporate support of fan traction that so dramatically characterizes STAR TREK, and was roundly overshadowed by Ron Moore's 2004 reinvention of the concept. Yet, somehow, the original series abides.

    51. Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      I do remember the state of s.f. on television in the 70's. Also every other medium in which s.f. was represented. Don't get me started, I'll tell you about being in Isaac Asimov's security entourage at conventions.

      It really did suck. Lost in Space was cheesy, but deliberately so, and pretty campy. Much better than the original Battlestar.

  5. Creato by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot Editing: Dead At 0.

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  6. a sad trend by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    it seems like more and more old people are dying in hang gliding accidents these days.

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    1. Re:a sad trend by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      it seems like more and more old people are dying in hang gliding accidents these days.

      What orifice did you pull that from? He died from esophageal cancer.

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    2. Re:a sad trend by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      it seems like more and more old people are dying in hang gliding accidents these days.

      What orifice did you pull that from? He died from esophageal cancer.

      Esophageal cancer, hang gliding. Same thing. They both use many of the same letters after all. You should pay more attention!

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    3. Re:a sad trend by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately he seems far too literate for the job. Simply getting facts wrong is not enough to become a ./ editor.

  7. It's BSG-speak. by Chas · · Score: 2

    Like yahren. And felgercarb,

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      Hey, just you wait a centon!!

  8. 2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Crashmarik · · Score: 2
    1. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      The reboot ended up worse than the original, at least for me. The human characters were so unlikeable I started rooting for the cylons. And the moment the show started getting seriously pseudo-mystical/quasi-religious was the moment I dropped it. The original show would have been fantastic if it had just taken itself just a bit more seriously and dropped most of the cheese. The reboot seemed to take itself too seriously. Or at least, tried to be "deeper" than it really needed to be.

      Don't get me wrong, the actors did a fantastic job, the cinematography was brilliant, and some of the early episodes were amazing... I just disliked the overall direction of the series. No skin off my nose if others liked it though.

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    2. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by JWW · · Score: 2

      If you actually left the new version too early, you would have missed the part where mose of those unlikable humans turned out to be cylons anyway. ;-)

    3. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Trogre · · Score: 1

      But... but the dark gloominess! And the grit! And the rapid camera zooms! And tribal percussion!

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    4. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I would much rather look at Katie Sackoff than Dirk Benedict. I would even say it again.

      I liked Katee's Starbuck more than Dirk's as well. I especially liked her response to Dirk's criticism of the reboot and her character in particular: "If you add up the amount of time Dirk Benedict spent playing the character, not the years obviously but the number of episodes, I'm more Starbuck than he is, so put that in your pipe and smoke it."

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    5. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I really enjoyed the miniseries and the first two full seasons. By then you could tell that, although the Cylons had a plan, the writers didn't. Season 3 (according to Wikipedia numbering - it says 'Season 4 on my boxed set') started okay, but the boxing episode reminded me of TKO from Babylon 5, which was the worst episode of the entire 5-year run, and it went downhill from there. The whole 'God did it' ending was almost as bad as 'they woke up and it was all a dream'. I watched most of Season 4 thinking 'the next episode is going to be better, right? The writers are just having a bad day...week...year...'

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    6. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

      I thought Katie was great. Sure, it seemed wrong at first to have such a change, but it left me with this joke:

      "Baltar and Starbuck going at it? That wouldn't have flown in the original show!"

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    7. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by carnivore302 · · Score: 1

      There was one episode that stood out: the one where we got to meet Starbuck again, stranded on some kind of planet with nothing more than a cylon that also had crashed. Loosely based upon 'Enemy mine', or maybe the other way around. Maybe one of the better episodes of the entire series (excluding the post 2000 battlestar galactica which is simply awesome)

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    8. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I loved that episode, and I also loved the Enemy Mine movie. It's been a long time since I watched either of those - I have no idea how well they'd stand up today. I think I won't chance it, since my memories are great... probably much better than the reality.

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    9. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      And the message about how being vicious warmongering bastards was justified if it was in the name of peace, because the voices calling for peace were actually working for vicious warmongering bastards.

      As someone opposed to the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, I could not enjoy the programme.

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    10. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      This isn't the obligatory XKCD you are looking for.

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    11. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was an ass-pull. :-(

      Season four couldn't really be salvaged after the writers just threw five darts at the board to come up with five character who were inexplicably Cylons.

    12. Re:2 seasons 1978 and 1980 by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Dirk made shallow trivial playboy flier work in the first 5 seconds if screen time. Katee was going for tough marine, and it NEVER worked. Her character was unpleasant from the first scene to the last one I watched. I think I watched all of season one. But I disliked the show right away and it only got worse. I personally stayed watching because of Grace Park (for the obvious reasons) and Mary McDonnell, because she was really the only character who did well.

      They couldn't keep me watching past season one.

  9. As an electronics major I have to point out ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Part of his legacy is the LED "scanning" back and forth light display used in the Cylon "Eye" and KITT/KARR forward sensor arrays are now referred to as "Larson Scanners". Even though a bit dated, they still look cool when used in the right context.

    I believe that one stylistic mistake made with both Knight Rider 2000 and the Knight Rider television series reboot was the use of the wrong type of car for KITT to use as a base platform. When the new TV series was on it's way I always pictured a blue LED Larson Scanner on a 2003 series Trans AM. I even thought about putting one together for myself, before the gas price crunch hit in the early 2000s. to misquote Douglas Adams: "Though his TV series', the 1980s and the Pontiac Trans Am are all history, It is comforting to reflect that they are all in some small way commemorated by the fact that EvilMadScientist Laboratories sells a Larson scanner kit you can build." (Just don't put one on a Ford Mustang or a Station wagon, because it screams "DON'T DATE ME!")

    http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/tinykitlist/152-scanner?qh=YToxOntpOjA7czo2OiJsYXJzb24iO30%3D

    1. Re:As an electronics major I have to point out ... by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

      I have something like that on my classic NZXT Guardian computer case. It looks a bit like Optimus Prime and has a blue led "scanner" that cycles through a few lighting patterns, one of which is heavily Larson-influenced.

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    2. Re:As an electronics major I have to point out ... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Years ago I had a DPT SCSI controller that had one on it. I didn't notice it when I installed it though. About a week after installing it I saw the red light reflected off of a box a few feet from the vent in the side of the case. It scared the he'll out of me as I thought something was on fire in the case at first.

  10. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pillor me if you want, but every show this man touched eventually got cancelled or became garbage.

    Er, that'd cover the majority of American TV shows then. Either they get cancelled if they're not successful (*), or they're driven into the ground long after their optimal lifespan if they *are* successful.

    (*) Or too expensive to produce even if successful- either in the first place (a la Battlestar Galactica) or after a number of years (due to increases in actor wages and general staffing costs; AFAIK the latter tend to increase over time due to agreements regarding established staff).

  11. "r" by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

    Doing my rock'n'roll duty for the title.

  12. Re:Hmmmm by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pillor me if you want, but every show this man touched eventually got cancelled or became garbage. Long live Glen Larson!!!

    Isn't that every show that isn't still on the air?

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  13. feel like a tiny bit of my childhood just died by ihtoit · · Score: 3

    this is seriously sad news. I grew up on Glen A. Larson shows. Particularly BSG (two words: Laurette Spang. With her almost entirely off-the-shoulder wardrobe) and Knight Rider (it was the car. And the hot, hot Bonnie and April).

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    1. Re:feel like a tiny bit of my childhood just died by confused+one · · Score: 2

      perhaps he will find himself waking up on a resurrection ship...

    2. Re:feel like a tiny bit of my childhood just died by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      two words: Laurette Spang.

      One word: Noms. Double noms for Maren Jensen, though.

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  14. Re:Hmmmm by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    The original Battlestar Galactica really pissed me off. It started as a theatrical-release movie and I went to see it. Then later, they announce a Battlestar Galactica TV show. Hey, cool. And what was episode 1 of the TV show? The fucking movie!!

  15. Lots of deaths lately. by antdude · · Score: 1

    RA and GAL. RIP to both of 'em. :(

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    1. Re:Lots of deaths lately. by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      when lots of deaths are what you post... then you are much older than the average.

    2. Re:Lots of deaths lately. by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 1

      R. A. Montgomery, obviously - it was posted yesterday on a site called Slashdot, you may have heard of it. It's kind of a big deal. It has many leather-bound books...

      http://news.slashdot.org/story...

  16. He has jumped by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    way beyond the Red Line into uncharted space. His work will not be forgotten.

    SO SAY WE ALL!

  17. Glen was great by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    and i will miss him.

    1. Re:Glen was great by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

      It's a sad occasion, he brought many shows to light that shaped my childhood.

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  18. The Mormon thing and BSG by Morpeth · · Score: 1

    Grew up on, and enjoyed a lot of his shows -- BUT I always found the religious aspect of both BSGs (the original and reboot) a bit weird and distracting. I guess knowing now about his Mormonism it makes sense, and he's certainly allowed to write what he wants -- but the heavy handed religiosity really felt shoehorned in a futuristic show imo.

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  19. Re:Hmmmm by JWW · · Score: 2

    You've got that backwards. It started on TV, then they wanted to capitalize on it popularity and made a movie version of it and put it in theaters.

  20. The {Mormon} thing and {x} by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I am repelled by Mormonism. I will leave it at that because my intent is not to discuss a religious cult. Feel free to plug-in any other belief system and any other TV or movie show title to suit your own bigotries/preferences/tastes/beliefs.

    I enjoyed the original BSG back when it originally aired. It was, at that time, the best special effects to ever hit TV and with a network and budget that provided a large cast, bit sets, and famous actors. Yeah, the writing was hit-and-miss as was some of the acting, but compared toeverything else on TV??? not really so bad. Some characters were good, others not, some actors did better than others with the material they were given. Same thing with UFO, Space 1999, and Trek. Let's face it: in Trek there were better episodes (city on the edge of forever) while others stank (space hippies, anyone?). If you enjoy science fiction then you have to live with two basic facts: [1] the entertainment industry is NOT populated with SciFi people and does not "get it", so they will ruin everything to some degree saving money by dropping plot elements, trying to broaden demographics with wunderkind characters (wesley? boxee? will robinson?) and babes (wilma deering, maya, athena, etc), and [2] few episodes will be written by serious scifi authors. If you like the scifi genre and you want to get it from pop culture, you're gonna have to accept it watered-down and very flawed so you're either gonna get angry and frustrated or learn to take it for what it is.

    The thing I find truly dissapointing is NOT the flaws in Hollywood's presentation of scifi, but rather the more-recent development that so many people seem to want to hate any piece or art or literature becuase they disagree with some aspect of the beliefs of the creator of the work. I would find Hemingway to be a drunken lout, but I can enjoy his books. I would not embrace picasso's world view, but I can enjoy his art. As I indicated earlier, I reject Mormonism, but could enjoy BSG. I found many of Rodeberry's views to be ignorant and foolish, but I can enjoy Trek. I simply do not comprehend the warped idea that if you disagree with Larson you must dislike BSG, or if you think Rodenberry was a troll, you must reject Trek, or if you disagree with Orson Scott Card you must boycott Enders Game, etc. Whatever became of of all that "open-mindedness" and "tolerance for other viewpoints" people used to insist on? EVERY creator of a work has personal views and NONE completelty avoid letting those views seep into their work; this is human and unavoidable. If creators of works all stripped their particular beliefs and world views from their works, those works would be bland and would never inspire thought/debate/conversation/re-examination/introspection. Literature and Art USED to be the very forums where humanity went to examine life and existence from many perspectives particularly those perspectives foreign to them. We used to call this being "educated" and "elightened".

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    1. Re:The {Mormon} thing and {x} by operagost · · Score: 1

      Voltaire sucks. Completely intolerable!

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    2. Re:The {Mormon} thing and {x} by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      I am balls to the walls on board with tolerance. I strive for open-mindedness. It's important to me.

      And yet, I expressed my distain for seeing the new Enders Game movie explicitly because it put money in Orson Scott Card's wallet, and he is actively campaigning for some really nasty ideas. I understand the view that the artist can be, and possibly even should be, separated from their works. It doesn't matter if $FAMOUS_PERSON made something, that doesn't make it meaningful. And no-name artists can make quality work. Nor does it really impact the latest dubstep remix if the artist doesn't believe in evolution.

      You can appreciate a piece of work separate from the author.

      However. Your actions DO impact the world outside of the piece of work. I didn't want to go see Ender's Game, not because I had any ill-will towards the story (it's ok), but rather because I didn't want to put money in the hand of someone who was going to give it to a hate-filled group who are actively working at making the world a worse place. If Card just happened to have a crazy belief? Eh, so what. Plenty of bigots out there. But no, he's an actively supporter of ... (oh, HAH, he's mormon too. Ugh, I wasn't expecting to stir up a mormon bashing thread.) But anyway, he was on the board of National Organization for Marriage from 2009 to 2013. And calls the criminalization of homosexuality. Up until the movie deal, at which point he quit the board, disavowed some quotes, and got generally quieter.

      I'm all for open-mindedness, and he can believe in whatever he wants, and say whatever he wants, but there are some people I really don't want to help out financially. Even if they make pretty things.

    3. Re:The {Mormon} thing and {x} by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Voltaire sucks.

      C'mon, didn't you enjoy "Expendable" at least a little bit?

    4. Re:The {Mormon} thing and {x} by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      others stank (space hippies, anyone?)

      Ah, c'mon, the space hippies were fun. Herbert!

      "Headin' out to Eden, yeah, brother..."

    5. Re:The {Mormon} thing and {x} by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Nothing. It's really not that special at all. And hence I don't think we should have special laws criminalizing it nor treat gay couples any differently then non-gay couples.

      Same thing with black people. Remember all those special laws we had about black people?

  21. Shuddup! (Re:Editor incompetence...) by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    It's because you didn't pay your Slashdot bill. So shuddup!

  22. plug for Tektronix test equipment by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    I remember watching the episodes though got bored watching the same approaches and barrel rolls of colonial fighters. I remember seeing the racks of Tektronix test equipment. Front panels of that gear was real "space age" (though trying to find power switch the o-scopes was always a challenge, other controls were easy). I wonder if the company got extra business with so much of the gear "advertised."

    When they did the remake, I found it amusing the only Battlestar that survived massive Cylon attack was Galactica because it was an old vintage ship (captained by an old guy with old school military thinking) with PDP-11 computers, Tektronix gear, Mocom-70 communications systems, etc. stuff that lack network systems so they were not hacked.

    Getting back to Larson, I wonder what other ideas he had that never made it to the TV? Maybe they will find some story ideas, probably much better than typical remakes of decades old genres.

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    1. Re:plug for Tektronix test equipment by babydog · · Score: 1

      As decoration, pieces of the set, the Tektronix stuff looked good. It's a shame the scripts were so bad.

    2. Re:plug for Tektronix test equipment by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      I hate to be a dick about Larson because he's died and it's never a great idea to speak poorly of the dead but his "ideas" were mostly ripped off takes on other people's ideas that he saw in popular films. The guy was successful doing this but he really just cranked out cheap copies of things and trends he saw in films. OK, he did that often. Not always but quite often. I'll give him that. There was probably an original idea in there every now and then. Not many of course. He did work in Television after all.

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  23. We were so desperate... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    Battlestar premiered as a top 10 show and finished the year in the top 25.

    Which is mostly a testament to how freakin' desperate we were for SF on the little screen in 1978.

    1. Re:We were so desperate... by paziek · · Score: 1

      We still are, for a good one tho.

  24. Re:Hmmmm by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the same thing true of the Buck Rogers (the one with Gil Gerard, Erin Gray et al)?

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  25. What I love... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Is that Dirk did seem to come around, because Katie Sackoff's character was one of the few decent ones in the whole BSG reboot.

    I love the photo of Dirk and Katie smoking cigars in a Starbucks coffee shop. (Kudos to the manager who was smart enough to bend the rules and say, for this....we'll allow smoking.)

  26. Knight Rider reboot by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Should be a Chevy Camaro. Black or Midnight blue. And I'll go with your blue scannar.

  27. Re:Hmmmm by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

    Yes it was however in the case of Buck Rogers the movie did come out in theaters prior to the television series showing up. It was always intended to be the pilot for a new TV series though. I imagine they worked that trick out from their previous experience with Battlestar Galactica but executed it better the second go round.

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  28. Re:Hmmmm by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    I found out while watching BSG (new series, not the old). It definitely explains a lot. In fact, really.... the new series is sci fi human origins story for mormons. You know the whole "all our old myths are really just forgotton lore of an ancient civilization sort.

    That said, I really liked about 90% of the series and really hated the that very aspect of the story. Loved the journey, hated where they were going and what they did with it in the end; far to "God in the Machine" for me.

    Its one of those ones I tell people to watch the entire series up to the last episode, then just imagine that everyone dies in a huge jump accident....it just works better.

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  29. Wardrobe by phorm · · Score: 1

    What really gets me is the wardrobe and fashion. Star-trek was pretty much out-of-era. There were lots of weird outfits, but the uniforms weren't really tied to any era (and they weren't weird spandex space-suits either). Hairstyles were also not quite so era based, except for a few characters. The old BSG also seem very... blonde.

  30. Re:Hmmmm by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    No, that's every show that isn't still on the air (cancelled) and every show that is (garbage).

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  31. Re:Hey, he had to outdo Mohammed! by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Polygamy has been practiced pretty much everywhere at some point. I would say it probably came into the Mormon faith as reactionary conservatism. Reactionaries twist history and mythology and try to "recreate" a past that never existed. Or rather than one "that never existed", one "that only ever existed for the minority", because they base the whole thing on the behaviour of kings. The classic example is the European cultural idea that women working is "new". Women have always worked in every culture. The only women that didn't work in Europe were queens, princesses and titled ladies.

    Now, as for "muslims", well, I think what you're talking about is "Middle Eastern countries", many of which invented royal lines out of nowhere when they were freed from European imperial rule. It's not islam that's to blame, it's reactionary conservatism.

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  32. Re:Hmmmm by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Sortof. Released as a movie, but with the intention of creating a TV series from it.

    Here's the trippy movie intro that you never saw on the TV series: Buck Rogers movie intro

  33. Galactica '80 by Megane · · Score: 1

    Battlestar Galactica lasted just one season on ABC from 1978-79

    We all want to forget Galactica '80, but it did happen. I don't remember much about it, because I was a kid then, other than Starbuck walking around in a white uniform. But I also remember that Cracked magazine had done a Galactica spoof a few months before, where at the end they find Earth and it's the 20th century. I was both shocked and amused that the TV people actually went and did that for real.

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  34. Re:Hmmmm by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Ok, but I'm not sure that it's an insult then. If his shows became garbage, that implies they had a period during which they were not garbage preceding the garbage period. In other words, a period existed, however briefly, when they were not garbage. Frankly, that is a pretty good record for anyone in the television business.

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