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Three-Way Comparison Shows PCs Slaying Consoles In Dragon Age Inquisition

MojoKid writes: "BioWare's long-awaited Dragon Age Inquisition has dropped for the PS4, Xbox One, and PCs. A comparison of the visuals in key scenes between all three platforms shows that while the PC variant clearly looks the best in multiple areas (as it should), there's evidence of good, intelligent optimization for consoles and PCs alike. After the debacle of Assassin's Creed Unity, Inquisition could provide an important taste of how to do things right. As expected though, when detail levels are increased, the PC still pulls away with the best overall visuals. The Xbox One and PS4 are largely matched, while PC renders of characters have better facial coloring and slightly more detailed textures. The lighting models are also far more detailed on the PC version with the PS4 following behind. The Xbox One, in contrast, is rather muddy. Overall, the PC and PS4 are closest in general detail, with the Xbox One occasionally lagging behind.

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  1. Duh by Ultra64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    PC will always beat console.

    Consoles are obsolete when they come out.

    PC graphics hardware isn't obsolete until a month after it comes out.

    1. Re:Duh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless you use Monster cables of course.

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    2. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I use them because of the free oxygen exchange at the electron level produces better warmth of both the highs and lows. Especially the optical ones. Those are unmatched in how the binary data passes thru them.

    3. Re:Duh by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like you quit PCs over 10 years ago. I need to upgrade every 4 years or so to keep up with the latest games, spending ~$500, and they look much better than console games. If you already have a fast PC, a good GPU is far more useful than a console.

    4. Re:Duh by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      Point of Order: The 360 will output 1080p quite happily, but that's not what the game you're playing is actually being rendered at.

      Amazing piece of hardware, don't get me wrong.

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    5. Re:Duh by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I bought my XBox 360 for a third of that 4 years ago, it runs at 1920x1080.

      No, it doesn't.

      The native resolution of the XBox 360 is 720p. It can be upscaled to 1080i, but it's nowhere near as good as native 1080p.

      Plus, Dragon Age Inquisition (the subject of this article) is not even available for XBox 360 and even on a brand new XBox One, it maxes out at 900p.

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    6. Re:Duh by tepples · · Score: 2

      In the previous generation, before HDMI was an expected feature, Monster would occasionally sell cables for less than the console maker would. That's why I bought a Monster Game Wii component cable.

    7. Re:Duh by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tell me about it. Before switching to Monster Cables, I was using TOSLink cables from the dollar store and after only three days of use, a TWO was able to pass through the binary stream. My gold-plated analog amplifier was totally rueened.

    8. Re:Duh by Adriax · · Score: 2

      Someday I will discover their secrets.
      I tried gold plating my own fiber optic cables but they just stopped working.

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    9. Re:Duh by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      A console has an INCREDIBLY limited library compared to a PC. A PC picks up almost its entire heritage in back compat, PLUS all the old arcade and console games too.

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    10. Re:Duh by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2

      When I buy a new gen console I have to get all new games. When I buy a PC I install all my old games on it, and they run even better.

    11. Re:Duh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Go look at the system requirements on AC: Unity

      A buggy game with performance problems at launch probably isn't the best example to use.

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    12. Re:Duh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm sure the AAA titles getting released in 2020 are going to look just awesome on the PS4 hardware compared with a PC.

      I built my last machine in 2011 when Skyrim launched. It was powerful enough to run Skyrim at 1920 x 1200 with several high-resolution texture mods, sky mods, lighting mods, etc with maximum settings all around. Sure, it cost a bit all told, but it also has SSD drives, a 2TB RAID array, and other things not required for only gaming. But I also picked a system configuration that supports dual video cards. I only got one video card at the time, but it cost around $500 or $600. But the next time I need to upgrade, all I need to do is buy the same model of video card (which should be running around $200 at that point), plug it in in SLI mode, and I've nearly doubled the gaming performance of the machine for a couple hundred bucks. That should give me 7 or 8 years of maximum-settings gaming on the same machine. We can meet up again in 2020 and figure out whether new games look better on your PS4 or my machine.

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    13. Re:Duh by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      Sure, you had 7 SPUs,

      Six. the seventh is reserved for the hypervisor. (Actualy it's 8, but one is disabled for yield)

      but hardly any games used them, instead using the 2 PPUs instead

      ONE PPU, but it's hyperthreaded, with an Altivec unit.

      [CronoCloud@mideel ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
      processor : 0
      cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported
      clock : 3192.000000MHz
      revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)
       
      processor : 1
      cpu : Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported
      clock : 3192.000000MHz
      revision : 5.1 (pvr 0070 0501)
       
      timebase : 79800000
      platform : PS3

      That was from back when I still had Linux on my PS3.

  2. What? by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Xbox One and PS4 are largely matched... Overall, the PC and PS4 are closest in general detail

    Okay...

  3. That's because by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the PC is objectively better.

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    1. Re:That's because by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Well, by some metric, a top fuel dragster is objectively better as a car. Provided you have the money for an expensive hobby, of course. And only need to travel in a straight line.

      If you want to define "objectively better" as lower TCO over the life of the product, and good enough for most applications ... then I'll say a console is objectively better.

      My XBox 360 cost me about $350, has never needed a hardware upgrade, and still works after several years. And I can run it completely offline from the interwebs.

      That wouldn't even get you a gamer's video card, let alone the machine to run it on.

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    2. Re:That's because by Skarjak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You pay for xbox live and your games are more expensive. A PC can be built for 600$ which beats an Xbox One and will quickly beat it in price if you only buy games from online sales (which you really should). Also, consider that a computer is needed anyway. Then it's no longer even the full price of the PC that you must consider, but the extra you are paying to have a gaming PC vs a working PC. Then the advantage is even more in the PC's favour. The inherent backward compatibility and mods inherent to the platform put the final nail in the coffin.

      Your analogy fails because dragsters can achieve a higher top speed, but are inherently limited compared to normal cars. For games, PCs can have more raw power and are more versatile.

    3. Re:That's because by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      You're overlooking a few key points.

      First the PC will have better specs on paper, but when it comes to running the actual game, the performance may be worse simply because having a console allows for more highly tuned and specialized code.

      Second, that $600 PC purchased now will definitely be a lot better, but if it were purchased at the time of release, even the raw numbers wouldn't be all that much better, never mind the actual performance. Also if you don't already have a good monitor, that's even more of an investment, unless you want to hook up the PC to your TV as well.

      Third, you forget the a console gamer can buy used games at a store, whereas PC gamers typically can't resell their digital downloads. Given that the online digital games on sale will probably be in the same price range as a used disc in a store for a similarly aged game and it's not that big of a difference. If you want to play the newest games as they're released the full-price cost is going to be about the same whether or not it's on PC or console.

      I typically pick up a new console at some point in the generation just to play through some of the exclusives (PC's aren't going to get the new Zelda game any time soon, at least not in a completely legal fashion.) but in general I prefer the PC simply because many of the genres I like best lend themselves more readily to a mouse/keyboard combination.

      However, there are some people for whom a console is a much better value proposition. If the PC was hands down better in every case, no one would buy one. However, given their popularity, it seems to suggest that there are a large number of people for who consider a console to be a better value.

    4. Re:That's because by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2

      First the PC will have better specs on paper, but when it comes to running the actual game, the performance may be worse simply because having a console allows for more highly tuned and specialized code.

      Yeeeah, not in this generation. That's because Sony and Microsoft went for 1.6GHz AMD Jaguar Fusion family of x86-64/GPU processors instead of custom processors this time around.

      Second, that $600 PC purchased now will definitely be a lot better, but if it were purchased at the time of release, even the raw numbers wouldn't be all that much better, never mind the actual performance.

      The consoles use faster RAM (actually, only the framebuffer does for the XbOne), but the PC's clock speed advantage is likely enough to close those gaps... and is pretty much guaranteed if they use a dedicated graphics card (as the RAM speed advantage largely goes away in that case).

      Also if you don't already have a good monitor, that's even more of an investment, unless you want to hook up the PC to your TV as well.

      If you were doing a Gaming PC, this is exactly what you'd do.

      That's one nice thing about everything using HDMI cables these days.

      Third, you forget the a console gamer can buy used games at a store, whereas PC gamers typically can't resell their digital downloads. Given that the online digital games on sale will probably be in the same price range as a used disc in a store for a similarly aged game and it's not that big of a difference. If you want to play the newest games as they're released the full-price cost is going to be about the same whether or not it's on PC or console.

      Yeah... that's not usually the case. Steam sales tend to be cheaper than used copies of console games. And sooner in a game's lifetime as well.

      However, there are some people for whom a console is a much better value proposition. If the PC was hands down better in every case, no one would buy one. However, given their popularity, it seems to suggest that there are a large number of people for who consider a console to be a better value.

      Consoles are largely easier to set up and use.

      This is the kind of thing that the SteamBox standard was created to fight. However, then Valve started mucking around with the "standard" before the first one was even released. Heck, I still don't think the controller has been standardized and SteamBoxes were announced like a year ago!

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  4. PCs Slaying Consoles In Dragon Age Inquisition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see what you did there. Don't do that. This is Slashdot, not "10 reasons" and "you won't believe what happened next".

    1. Re:PCs Slaying Consoles In Dragon Age Inquisition by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see what you did there. Don't do that. This is Slashdot, not "10 reasons" and "you won't believe what happened next".

      What reasons?

      OMG! What happened next!?

  5. On the other hand, it's EA by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    And they haven't really done anything regarding hthe "stop shitting all over customers" promise they threw out on a PR damage control press conference.

  6. So stating the obvious then by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

    PC is the best then PS4 then Xbox One. I guess hardware does matter when it comes to gaming. Anyone else not surprised? As for Xbox, it looks like they will be behind until the next generation unless they update the hardware. The ESRAM buffer does not seem to be making up the gap as they hoped it would.

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  7. Except for the PC mouse+keyboard controls... by Halo5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently, it's pretty bad. I bought this for my wife yesterday and she's pretty frustrated with the mouse+keyboard controls on the PC. Apparently, it was developed with a console controller in mind. She HATES controllers; it's one of the reasons she is strictly a PC gamer. Here is a thread about it on Reddit:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/2mnbyl/dragon_age_inquisition_not_enjoying_the_pc/

    I'm thinking about getting her a Razor Orbweaver for her machine; I'm hoping that it may solve some of the problems:

    http://www.razerzone.com/gb-en/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver

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    1. Re:Except for the PC mouse+keyboard controls... by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I may make a recommendation, consider trying out logitech G13 before going for orbweaver.

      It has a few significant advantages over orbweaver, like actual analogue joystick (orbweaver's "thumbstick" is just a directional pad). It's also shaped differently, and I found it to be a much better fit for my hand. It's also significantly cheaper.

  8. Note to HotHardware by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When creating comparison images, use PNG not JPG. One of the images compares the texture detail on the face, but the "more detailed" PC image just shows more JPEG artifacts. That indirectly shows there was probably detail there, but you can't really see it. If you do JPEG it, use the ridiculously high settings.

    1. Re:Note to HotHardware by krkhan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I honestly, sincerely, without-any-prejudice, spent 5 minutes on that page trying to figure out the differences in quality in "three-way comparison" but for the life of me all I am able to discern is minor differences which can be attributed to a plethora of reasons other than the hardware capabilities.

      If anything, this comparison served well to make me consider buying a console. I mean, if I'm not able to see a significant difference, why would it make sense for me to spend extra bucks on the PC? Just because some videophile found the console version to be "muddy"?

  9. Look the same by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Almost all screenshots look virtually the same save for one example where the lighting was different as if they tweaked a spot light somewhere (art difference not technical)

    It's not even like the SNES vs Genesis days or Amiga vs ST, where the graphics were usually similar but a bit different. It's more like comparing a Quake 2 engine game on different computers.. Every computer runs it at full detail (even back in the day, almost) so you're always looking at the same assets.
    Also, if a big fat GPU only gives you more pixels that look the same.. maybe the pixels aren't worth that much if the consoles are doing it at 900p.
    Next thing will be to get the smallest and cheapest 4K display you can find, at least an arm length away ; play at a low non native res (even down to 1280x720 which is one third in both axises). Should be looking good enough (add 2x AA or the latest "smart AA") with no scaling artifacts to be seen. A rather cheap GPU (minimum 2GB gddr5) should do. But the biggest annoyance with PC gaming is having to replace CPU, motherboard and RAM just for the games. My 5 year old hardware feels like it's got at minimum another 5 years of life before it, but would probably run crappy new games at 20 fps even with a fat GPU and Windoze.

  10. What about the game itself? by Quirkz · · Score: 2

    I didn't realize this had come out yet. Frankly, I don't care about graphics (or at least, as long as they're not worse than DA1, which I'm sure they're not). I'm also already wedded to my game-playing system of choice, and one game's output isn't going to change that one whit.

    What I'm interested in is the game itself, and I haven't seen any headlines for that. Did I just miss the article for the release of a sequel to an AAA game, or did we skip that and go right to the graphics analysis? How is the game? Is it more like the first one, which I loved, or is it more like the second one, which I avoided because of all the crazy changes they made to it. Basically, am I gonna want to buy it?

    Proposal for a slashdot poll: does anyone really actually care about the graphics on a game? Especially at the level we're talking about here? If the answer is more than 10% I'd be shocked, and if it's closer to 3%, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

    1. Re:What about the game itself? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      I was just grousing the other day about commercials for games. Who cares about the cutscenes? Why would anyone make a purchase decision based on how cool the cutscene looked?

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    2. Re:What about the game itself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't realize this had come out yet.

      What I'm interested in is the game itself, and I haven't seen any headlines for that.How is the game? Is it more like the first one, which I loved, or is it more like the second one, which I avoided because of all the crazy changes they made to it. Basically, am I gonna want to buy it?

      10/10, yes, no, yes.

  11. Re:Consoles should just go away by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

    Gaming PCs already exist. Everybody knows about them. A lot of people choose not to buy them. What's to be gained by taking away options from consumers?

    Personally I enjoy my XBox very much, and have about zero interest in getting a gaming PC. If I was into MMORPGs or was a hard-core FPS player that would probably be different.

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  12. This article should die a horrible death by flitty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many console generations and Comparison videos do we have to write this type of article about before it stops being a thing? Breaking news everyone, a $400 piece of hardware cannot compete with hardware that has no upper price limit. The interesting thing is that I spent $500 on a PC a year ago and I ended up with hardware very close to the PS4. Guess what? The PS4 actually runs my games ever so slightly better on the PS4 than my "cheap" PC. This could be due to Console optimization, or my PC's optimization, or any other number of factors. They're different things for different purposes.

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  13. Re:$500 per card or per household? by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

    How many PCs in your household do you have to upgrade with a $500 video card?

    One that's going to play games like the latest Assassin's Creed or Dragon Age on anything higher than "shit." Cheapest videocard I saw that even even met their base "recommended" requirements was almost as expensive as an entire PS4 or Xbox One. No thank you.

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  14. Re:Consoles should just go away by dAzED1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    when I bought my ps4, it was a very cheap high-quality 3d blu ray player. It also happened to play games, which I enjoy. Instead of spending $2k on a PC to plug in to my $8k home theatre setup, I plug in a PS4 and it works great. I /suppose/ I could plug a PC into one of the AUX ports in front, and then awkwardly try to find a place to put my keyboard and muss around with a mouse...or - and this is just an alternative - I could use a little handheld controller thingy that pairs up with my PS4. Decisions, decisions. My overall experience with a 65" TV and hifi 7.1 sound while sitting comfortably on my couch is WAY higher, in my experience, than it would be sitting in my office upstairs - even if the graphics had slightly more detail on the PC. That way I can then have a laptop that I can use for work, and get a mid-range "gaming" laptop so it is relatively decent for a while, but not actually use it for games much...instead, I use it for home, school, work, etc. And it only needs cost me $1200 or so. I could spend $3k on a gaming laptop, but then I'd have a 17" screen with stereo sound, instead of a 65" screen with 7.1 surround. Maybe some of us don't want multiple PCs? Maybe some of us want a better overall experience, instead of just having slightly better graphics detail? Maybe those of us like that are a big enough market that consoles do actually sell, despite gaming PCs being an option?

  15. Re:Consoles should just go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What is stopping you from plugging your laptop into your big screen and surround sound? Both devices will have HDMI, no doubt your 7.1 reciever will have HDMI in/out, whats the problem?

    Infact the consoles only support 5.1, and while PC games also only support 5.1 you have the option of using third party software to upmix or EQ the sound to your hearts desire. This is also especially useful for blurays (I use Jriver or other EQ software to boost the LFE on some films), so the PC/laptop has now also replaced your bluray player and any DSP hardware (e.g DCX2496/miniDSP/nanoAVR) you may have for your surround sound. It will also replace your streaming device such as Roku if you have one.

    Controller? Are you serious? Wireless gamepads have been available for PCs since long before the consoles started using them, plus you have the choice of hundreds of different controller designs, in addition to a mouse/keyboard (which is undeniably superior for many game types, RTS and FPS for example). PS4 controller doesn't fit in your unusually big (or small) hands, you are shit out of luck. I have a wireless (USB dongle) gamepad that I paid £11 for nearly 10 years ago, the range is superior to any console controllers, the battery life is immense (hundreds of hours play from 4xAAA batteries), and its basically a Playstation controller but scaled up by 20% in all dimensions, perfect for me.

    I too have a nice TV with a high-end surround system (although only 5.1 because of space restrictions) and ALL the content is provided by a gaming PC that cost £600 4 years ago (however I am just about to spend another £150 on a GPU that should last another 4 years). That is incredible value. I do own a Xbox360 but that is only to play Halo 3.

  16. Re:$500 per card or per household? by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 2

    What on earth are you smoking? A decently clocked i3 is sufficient (CPU-wise) for the vast majority of games. A 6-year old i5/i7 would even suffice. GPU? $200 for an R9 290, $120 for an R9 280X. That's not expensive at all for (TRUE) 1080p gaming.

  17. Re:Mods anyone? by Molt · · Score: 2

    Some are a pain, most aren't.

    A lot of titles have nice (often 3rd party) mod managers now which'll download mods, keep them updated, and allow you to selectively disable them- all from a simple GUI. When I recently replayed Skyrim I spent about an hour or so browsing through all of the mods on Nexus, and installing those that look interesting, and in my mind it made the game a lot more fun.

    I admit there were a couple that were slightly broken in odds ways, such as a custom weapon which was heavily overpowered, but it didn't take much effort to just turn them off again.

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  18. Re:I can't wait by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

    Considering the Steam hardware survey...more like high-range. Take a look at the most common graphics cards, CPU's and whatnot. Dual-core is the most common with the most common graphics card being an Intel integrated one.