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How the Rollout of 5G Will Change Everything
mrspoonsi writes The global race is on to develop 5G, the fifth generation of mobile network. While 5G will follow in the footsteps of 4G and 3G, this time scientists are more excited. They say 5G will be different — very different. "5G will be a dramatic overhaul and harmonization of the radio spectrum," says Prof Rahim Tafazolli who is the lead at the UK's multimillion-pound government-funded 5G Innovation Centre at the University of Surrey. To pave the way for 5G the ITU is comprehensively restructuring the parts of the radio network used to transmit data, while allowing pre-existing communications, including 4G and 3G, to continue functioning. 5G will also run faster, a lot faster. Prof Tafazolli now believes it is possible to run a wireless data connection at an astounding 800Gbps — that's 100 times faster than current 5G testing. A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films — in a single second. Samsung hopes to launch a temporary trial 5G network in time for 2018's Winter Olympic Games.
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No mention in the article of what changes are happening on the technical level. Is "5G" still LTE based and just the next highest revision? That was LTE was supposed to be, it's acronym means "Long Term Evolution". And the mention of keeping 3G/4G online alongside it seems counter-intuitive since the older tech (especially 2G/3G) seems like it's far less efficient with spectrum than even LTE is.
Considering we here in the states barely have nationwide 4G coverage and most of us are working with 2-10GB per month maybe it's a little early to get excited on being able to use that up in a matter of seconds rather than minutes.
Not sure what plan you are on, but I would run through mine in about 2 milliseconds, then Verizon will gladly start charging me per Gb.
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800 Gbps = 100 GB/s = 4 Blu-ray movies per second.
A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films â" in a single second
In other new, Sony, Universal, and the rest of the MAFIAA have sued Tafazolli, the University of Surrey, Samsung and the ITU for "contributory copyright infringment".
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Today TelecomX has announced that 5G Spcl has been rolled out to their customers, to compete PhoneY's Real 5G service.
A company spokemans said "While customers will need to upgrade their phones to take advantage of this, and it will still be slower than actual 5G in other countries, it will be modestly faster current 4G LTE and True4G services. And much like those services, once we've convinced everyone that it is 5G, eventually we'll sell an even better offering that's even closer to the actual 5G standard, but not yet there."
yea, you can totally download a single hd movie in that second before they cap your speed at 3g.
That sound you hear is the executives at Verizon and AT&T laughing their asses off. You'll get the same caps you have today, because that's what is most profitable.
I read the internet for the articles.
you think they put in the caps because they dont have enough bandwidth coming from their towers? you, sir, are sadly mistaken. they do it for one reason. PROFIT. if they cap your data at 5gb and you need to use 5.1 gb, you will totally spend double the amount to get up to 10gb.
So how long until Comcast starts sending out the lawyers to prevent this harmful technology?
I kind of got the impression most things being called 4G weren't even properly that.
So now we'll have a rollout of something called 5G which isn't?
Know what I expect? We won't see faster, we won't suddenly see a lot of additional bandwidth. For promotional purposes it's fast and awesome ... and for practical purposes the carriers will scale it back because they're incapable of selling you what they will claim it to be.
I simply don't believe the carriers will be able to deploy what this thing could be theoretically. All they'll do it repackage the same shitty service and charge extra for it, while crying poor about how they can't keep up with the bandwidth demands.
Because telcos are lying, greedy bastards who put more effort into marketing than quality of their product.
They've been telling us how awesome their network speeds are for over a decade. And they've been unwilling to live up to that the entire time.
Case in point: Unlimited data plans, which are so much marketing bullshit it's not funny.
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Who cares when your artificially and ridiculously low data cap is exceeded in 5 minutes?
At 800 Gbps you would blow through AT&T's most expensive ($375/mo) shared data plan of 100GB of data in one second.
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I certainly can't watch even one HD movie on my phone, with the 4 GB plan for which I'm grossly overcharged by Verizon. There's absolutely no incentive in the US for carriers to change their tune played to their captive audience. Great, with 5G I can get shit service that much faster.
I'll just wait for 6G. Or maybe 7G.
I really don't need to talk any faster.
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We'll be able to blow through our monthly data caps in 1 minute!
This.
Who cares?
I had unlimited 3G. It was useful. Now I have blazing fast 4G with a 1GB plan, with $10 per GB overage. It's useless for anything beyond reading Slashdot in the bathroom.
5G will be equally useless. As will 6G. And 7G. I don't need speed on a smartphone. I need good coverage and no transfer cap.
"A speed of 800Gbps would equate to downloading 33 HD films — in a single second."
At Verizon's cost of 15 dollars per 1 GB (when you go over your data plan), 5G could then theoretically cost you 1500 dollars per second.
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It doesn't need to work in your condo. You should be on WiFi when at home. With TMobile, you don't even need a signal at all at home because calls go over WiFi to your landline Internet connection. The cell connection only needs to work on the road.
And we will be able to hit data caps in fractions of a second!! The carriers are going to love the overage charges.
I still have no cell phone coverage at my house...I live in New York State...can I at least get coverage at my house...
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Well, many video players are auto resolution tuning, so if they detect you have the bandwidth, they'll up the resolution.
If Netflix starts streaming in 4K, and gral was used to 480p, that's a bit of a difference in data.
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LTE is definitely a generation ahead of 3G. The latency is massively different; 4G feels very different from 3G in the same way that ethernet-over-fibre feels different from VDSL. 4G can actually feel like an OK DSL line. 5G with 1ms latency should be able to compete favourably with low-speed fibre.
(Latency is also why it is laughable that UK providers pretend that they are selling fibre optic broadband. It is a sign of the missing consumer protection laws in the UK.)
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According to theoriginal ITU position to be truly called 4G one need to be able to do at least 1 Gbps peak rate downlink. In order to comply with this requirement LTE release 10 added a new category, Cat 8, doing actually close to 3 Gbps. On paper: nobody implemented it yet --- and it'll be a while before anyone does (if ever: it takes 8x8 MIMO and 5 aggregated 20 MHz LTE channels to reach 3 Gbps).
I'm a telecom professional, and I'm tired about all those "true 4G" statements, and on what is or not 4G. I find the ITU 4G definition ridiculous: a long time ago the world of telecom manufacturers was made of cautious engineering companies. Then very aggressive new entrants came and made outrageous claims [1], and older companies went with the charade not to be seen as lagards. That's basically why we got this very bad joke of "official 4G is 1 Gbps". I guess anyone looking around should see the slight disconnect with reality there? As a bonus joke, new categories were added later on: Cat9 peaks at 300 Mbps, go figure...
For what it's worth, in my opinion the true difference that warrants using a new generation number is the move to OFDMA. 1G was analog, 2G was digital narrow band, 3G is wideband CDMA, 4G is wideband OFDMA. This makes sense to me, as a telecom engineer. The ITU BS I'd rather forgot all about it, it's just too embarrassing.
As for 5G there are interesting things on-going, but it's very early in the game. For now it's only people wanting attention to get funding (like TFA) or cheap PR. Don't feed the PR spinners please. The high-frequency spectrum with many very small antennas and cheap RF (to compensate for the number, 64-256...) is interesting but there is a long road to practical products.
[1] There is a joke on this, and let's protect the culprit: how do you tell the difference between an Ericsson engineer and a Xxx one? The E/// engineer couldn't tell a lie if you put a gun to his head. The Xxxx engineer couldn't tell the truth. I work for neither E/// nor Xxxx BTW.
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Why do we need 800Gbps on a cellphone? Or even 100Gbps?
So I can download an app in 560 microseconds? I do not see the point. What possible use case is there for that much bandwidth, even if data caps went away (yeah right)..There is only so much you can do with a mobile device.
Does it matter if I download an HD movie in 30mS instead of 400mS? Or even if I download a 4k movie in a fraction of a second, its still kinda pointless.
Now I am fully aware that 640k is actually not enough memory for anybody, but come on guys, what sort of need would we really have for 800Gbps on a cellphone or tablet? There reaches a point where the returns diminish beyond human perception.
Your phone will have battery life of 18 seconds and will have a surface temperature of 245C.
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Lots of complaining about Verizon and ATT, but prices on mobile phone contracts are way down. T-Mobile has an unlimited data, unlimited text, 100 minutes talk time plan for $30/month, for example. Others have dropped their prices for phone-subsidy plans to compete with T-Mobile.
Despite the usual internet whining, things have improved a lot in the last 2 years.
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