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Gunmen Kill 12, Wound 7 At French Magazine HQ
An anonymous reader writes: A pair of gunmen have stormed the office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and wounding seven more. The magazine had recently published a cartoon of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and witnesses say the gunmen shouted, "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad," before leaving. "Four of the magazine's well-known cartoonists, including its editor-in-chief Stephane Charbonnier were reported among those killed, as well as at least two police officers. Mr Charbonnier, 47, had received death threats in the past and was living under police protection." The attackers engaged police in a gunfire outside the building, then fled in a car. At the time of this writing, they are still at large. Currently, the BBC has the most information out of English news outlets. French speakers can consult the headline at Le Monde for more current news.
the religion of peace....
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...is still trying to decide if it's Terrorism or Work Place Violence.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Issues involving free speech and threats to free speech is both a nerd issue and "news that matters." It also is a tech issue because improvements in communication have allowed people to get worked up all over the globe over things that are happening farther away that they wouldn't know about at all otherwise.
All anyone needs to know is that they shouted an Islamic religious oath. There is no need to pass along their actual message for them.
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Inviting inflammatory discussion?
If the first two threads are any indication....
Now we can have the obligatory "Islam sucks" conversation, which will lead to the inevitable "all religion sucks" conversation, both of which are infinitely more enjoyable than simply leaving it at "Crazy people suck."
There's a low but non-zero chance that we might actually have an insightful conversation about free speech and the costs thereof but I wouldn't hold my breath. One of the new civil rights is the right not to be offended by anything at anytime....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
All the more reason to share and repost the cartoon across the internet.
They bombed the London Tube for Allah
They bombed the Madrid train station for Allah
They crashed planes into the World Trade Center at NYC and at the Pentagon for Allah
A film director was murdered in the Netherlands for Allah
Hostages had been killed in Sydney for Allah
And now, at least 12 person have been cold-bloodedly slaughtered, in Paris, for Allah
In the name of "Allah", who will be the next victim ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
This is the response of the fascist ideology known as Islam to freedom of expression.
1.) America protects the most nasty Mohammedanics - the Saudi Wahabists. They also did 9/11
2.) Here in Germany we have PEGIDA, who publicly protest the corrupt elite who do the appeasement.
3.) I hear UKIP and FN are actually also against the medivalist friends of America.
Now we can have the obligatory "Islam sucks" conversation, which will lead to the inevitable "all religion sucks" conversation, both of which are infinitely more enjoyable than simply leaving it at "Crazy people suck."
Actually, France has been dealing with a growing problem; namely, radical Islamists who have been busy turning entire neighborhoods within France into Sharia-run enclaves. No desire to integrate into society, and indeed, they'd prefer France become a caliphate.
Moderate voices, or efforts by moderate muslims to clamp down on this mess? Nowhere to be found.
The UK has been seeing a rise of this as well, and Germany has recently seen backlashes by neo-nationalist elements against similar problems found there.
Long story short, this is a hell of a lot more complex than you make it out to be, and points to a growing problem throughout the EU. The US sees only a small fraction of this issue (see also the town of Dearborn, MI) by comparison.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
How do you shoot up twelve people in the middle of Paris then get away? Wtf?
Charlie Hebdo is the name of the office you shot up, and i hardly imagine its going to avenge anything. 4 years ago, you firebombed the offices and razed them to ashes. It didnt work. Charlie Hebdo kept printing, and in the wake of something that would have sent any other newspaper in America scrambling to retreat Hebdo hardly seemed to care. Stephane Charbonnier, the editor in chief, issued a statement that referred to the attempt at censorship not as terrifying or vengeful, but just 'irritating.' You were nothing more than an irritation after property damage, but if history is any indication you've just opened a hundred new offices for Charlie Hebdos of all shapes and sizes. If you didnt want the prophet depicted, if he was in fact sacred, you've now effectively guaranteed Muhammad will be depicted voraceously, callously, and unabated for days to come.
Good people go to bed earlier.
After their offices were firebombed in 2011, cartoonist and editor-in-chief Stéphane Charbonnier, who is rumored to be one of the causalities of today's attack, said he did not see the bombing as the work of French Muslims, but of what he called "idiot extremists." Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
Every media, newspaper, magazine, tv news outlet can provide their answer tommorow morning by posting direct on the front pages the cartoons of Mohammed - and simply state that Violence cannot, and will never win against the Pen.
However, media companies can also continue to self censorship as they have done now for many years, and leave small numbers of journalists and freedom fighters, to face these evil people on their own. Its a fucking call to arms - Its high time people understood on both sides that any form of respect towards a religion has to be earned and that religion will not be allowed to dictate what equates in terms of liberty and free speech.
This attack is the spear end of a much larger one on freedom, free speech and liberty by Islam and Muslims - and its been taking place over dacades. Its a serious fight, and should not end on the death of some Charles Hedbo office in France.
Every magazine and newspaper in France should publish the offending cartoons on their front pages. Show these assholes that they wouldn't silenced with violence.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Some Charlie Hebdo cartoons with translation. ;-)
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That would be great if magazines worldwide could support Charlie Hebdo and the free world by publishing some of these cartoons (with a better translation
1. "Mahomet is overwhelmed by fundamentalists" Balloon:"It's hard to be loved by jerks"
2. "Charia Hebdo" Balloon:"100 lashes if you do not LOL [Lit.: die loughing]"
3. "Coran is crap..." "It's not bullet proof"
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
The magazine had recently published a cartoon of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and witnesses say the gunmen shouted, "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad," before leaving.
If only either The Prophet or his followers had a sense of humor or, in the latter case, intellect. I don't see how a cartoon about al-Baghdadi has anything to do with Muhammad. In any case, according to Wikipedia:
The Quran does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith (supplemental teachings) which have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating visual depictions of figures. [citation needed] ... The key concern is that the use of images can encourage idolatry. [5]
So, the prohibition against imagery, if it even actually exists, doesn't seem to apply to non-Muslims - who, of course, are in no danger of being subverted by idolatry.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Here is uncensored video of the gunfight with a police officer, then the execution of the police officer. I think it's good for the public to see these kinds of things, so they can fully appreciate the reality of the threat posed to our society.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i...
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Yep
That's the modus operandi of your kind of apologists
Whenever them barbarians killing people in cold blood you guys will come out and blame the Christians, the Jews, and now, Moses !
Why don't you blame "GOD" instead ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
or 72 transsexual clones of Madonna impersonators.
Could be worse. Could be 72 clones of Madonna.
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Terrorists are people, who feel more threatened by a drawing than by drones,
Terrorists are people, who fear small girls with books more than death,
Terrorists are people, who use bullets because their mind cannot work with words,
they are not scared by torture or surveillance, but truth and freedom.
Bonus conversation: All religious people are, by definition, crazy.
Maybe instead of representing solidarity with a silly hashtag it'd better for us all to exercise free speech by posting a picture of Muhammad. Not an overly offensive picture either, a simple stick man would do.
This craziness isn't going to stop until the media and us people in general start standing up for the things that we're always claiming to hold dear.
Murphey's fighting Occam, and we're in the stands.
We're being overrun by Islamics in the name of political correctness.
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Obligatory "why is this on /." comment found. Answer is always the same: Stuff That Matters. If you don't think 12 people dying to mad shooters because they made cartoons matters, go check in at your nearest psychological institute.
as an american, i am confronted with limits other democracies put on free speech sometimes. for example: germany disallows nazi symbolism. as an american i am not as threatened by this symbol, as nazism never overran my country, and so i find myslef at first opposed to the german limitation as a violation of the right to free speech
but on deeper thought, i understand why germany would want to do this, and i see no conflict with free expression in the end. because the nazi symbol in germany clearly represents the ideology of ending free expression violently
so there is no logical conflict: all rights have natural, logical limits, they are not endless. in regards to the special case of using freedoms to actively seeking the destruction of freedoms
for example: you have a right to life, unless you threaten another person's life
you have the right to a free press, unless you use that right to call for violent limits on the free press
and, now, my point here: you have a right to free expression, unless you use it to advocate a limit on free expression violently
i'm not saying someone can't say "you should not say that." i'm saying no one should be able to say "if you say that, i will kill you"
no one should be allowed to use freedoms granted to them to deny others freedom
in this way, we have the right to limit hateful violent religious speech that calls for the destruction of the tolerance that allows that hateful violent religious speech to be spoken, and we are not violating our own free speech principles. the logical failure is with using freedoms to deny freedoms, not with the opposition to doing that. just like with nazi symbols in germany: it is not logically inconsistent with free speech to limit that symbol, because the symbol means destroying free speech
so i believe france should have the right to limit all religious speech that calls for the ending of fundamental rights violently. jail or expel imams and groups that call for violent attacks on free speech. there is no logical conflict with a rights-loving democracy to do that, because the only thing being limited is the cancer that actively seeks to end rights
there is no slippery slope here: no one should be allowed to oppose a fundamental freedom with violence. you invoke the right to stop someone's speech ONLY if that speech calls for violence to end to free speech
intolerance of intolerance is not the same thing as intolerance itself
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intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
never mind the fact that this has been posted here well after it's already been on every other media outlet.. but why is this on /.?
Are freedom-of-speech issues not one of Slashdot's common themes?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
The kind of guns used by these terrorists is ALREADY banned... that didn't prevent them from having such guns.
Actually, the Crusades, whatever the religious justification, were about propping up the Byzantine Empire... well, except the 4th Crusade, which ultimately was about a bunch of rich Italians seizing Byzantium, looting it and sending the booty back to Italy.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The Crusades were a series of events where the leaders of a religion (which believes there's an invisible Man up in the sky who makes you an offer you can't refuse) decided that going off to kill innocent people is a great idea and compatible with the faith.
It should seem very familiar to anyone in the modern age. Crusades then, crusades now.
"Innocent"? Not exactly. Muslims captured Jerusalem and sent their armies out into the world (Moors, mamluks, etc..) The claim that the crusades were nothing more than unprovoked rampaging and looting is muslim apologist bullshit. When one religious group attacks another's holy site and captures it, what do they expect to happen??
Many horrible things have been done in the name of every religion on Earth, but I tire of seeing the crusades constantly misrepresented as nothing more than a murdering/looting spree, and the false portrayal of muslims as their innocent victims.
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Well, the real question is, do the gunmen use Linux?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Yahweh in the old testament is pretty much a real son of a bitch, no different than the angry father next door beating his kid for their lack of compliance. Though, somehow, you call the cop on latter, and prey the former.
My history is a little rusty, but isn't yahweh of the old testament and allah the same god?
The US sees only a small fraction of this issue (see also the town of Dearborn, MI) by comparison.
The US sees quite a bit of this issue, just not with Muslims.
Never has this quote from Voltaire been more true:
Those who can make people believe absurdities can make them commit atrocities.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
This can't be true. France has some pretty strict gun control laws. Terrorists and criminals should not e a ble to get hold of such weaponry. These reports must be wrong.
Have gnu, will travel.
Mother Theresa was a closeted atheist:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/d...
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Except that in the UK, the ban -- which they take very, very seriously -- actually DOES result in significantly less gun violence.
You may be personally opposed to a ban, but you can't argue in good faith that a bans can't EVER work when we have very clear examples of bans doing exactly what they set out to do.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
A couple days ago, I learned about the New Year's Day Speech by the Egyptian President. ..http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/01/egypts-president-sisi-calls-for-islamic-religious-revolution/
He called for a deep revolution in thought about the tenets of Islam. He believes that Muslims are destroying themselves and their credibility with the world with the violence being done in the name of Islam.
After I heard about the events in Paris, I really wanted to hear what he has to say. I think he would be dismayed, and point to it as an example of what he was saying.
All that internet and telephone snooping really payed off, didn't it..
My hat's off to the murder victims. They had the guts and the courage of conviction to take on Islam. Let us honor these brave Frenchmen and their country.
My fellow Americans like to joke about French surrender and Googling French military victories ('no results found"). But that seems absurd to me because it's the French doing all the brave things while Americans cower in fear.
I do not see CNN or Fox News or Huffington Post or any other American paper taking on Islam. Politically correct cowardice is rampant in America, home of the chickens. American activists bravely take on Silicon Valley tech firms and Xbox gamers for misogyny while completely ignoring the Islamic treatment of women. That's like attacking a kid for playing with water balloons while ignoring the mafia guy next to him planting C4 car bombs. But I guess even cowards have to make themselves feel good by doing something... as long as there's no danger to themselves. Safety is important!
There's a call to rename every French paper "Charlie Hebdo" tomorrow in protest.
http://www.lalibre.be/actu/int... (in French)
You checked? Like, you went to France and attempted to buy AKs?
I don't even know how easy it is to buy automatic weapons in my own city, where laws are fairly permissive and gun ownership is not looked upon negatively, on average.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
President Holland declared that France will stand for freedom of speech with more than 100000 people marching out to support it.
Meanwhile in Lithuania just today two Russian TV channels were banned because of their 'one-sided views' on lots of problems.
Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
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Leaders in the west should make it clear that those who want Sharia law should go elsewhere. There are plenty of countries with Islamic law, where those who hate freedom of speech, equality, and rights of others can live. True we cannot force them to leave but this would set their expectations for living in secular democracies
actually DOES result in significantly less gun violence.
That is true.
But it doens't result in less violent crime. So you're just as likely to be murdered.
Also didn't impact suicide rates at all.
So they changed the tools and circumstances around crimes, not the actual crimes. So they lost freedom and gained no security.
They bombed the London Tube for Allah...
"Allah" is just Arabic for "God". (Literally "The God" i.e. the one, the only, monotheist deity.) Christians who speak Arabic use the same word for the Christian deity - which Muslims recognize as the same entity. The word has the same root as Yahweh, Jehova, JHVH.
Interestingly, Muslims explicitly recognize Christians and Jews as "People of The Book", and the Torah and the Bible as explicitly their people's version of a heavenly-mandated collection of the genuine revealed word of God - though allegedly corrupted by time and translations. They claim there are many such books, but these two they explicitly recognize as valid instances.
They also explicitly recognize Jesus ("Issa") as a prophet (their second highest ranking one, if I have this right), Mary as their only known female prophet, and include the Second Coming in their end-times predictions. ("Prophet" is defined as someone who receives messages from God, directly or via heavenly messenger.)
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