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Microsoft Ends Mainstream Support For Windows 7

jones_supa writes The mainstream support of Microsoft Windows 7 [ended Monday]. The operating system leaving mainstream support means no more platform updates, no new features, and end of free support. Windows 7 will now enter extended support, which means that security updates will keep coming, and support will be offered for charge. The final end of support for Windows 7 will be reached January 14, 2020. Is anyone nostalgic for Windows 7?

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  1. Nostalgic for Windows 7? by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not nostalgic for Windows 7.... I still run it! On all of our networked computers.

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    1. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same here. With Windows XP still hanging on and Windows 8 needlessly messing with the UI, I doubt we'll see Windows 7 going anywhere anytime soon.

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    2. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by tom17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah this, lol. My employer just finished with the Win7 rollout last year!

      And on my personal device, I have not had any desire to leave Win7 as of yet. I skipped over Vista so I will likely do the same with 8.

    3. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A 5-year support cycle is far too short for an OS.
      It should be at least 10 years, especially when the hardware can last 20.

    4. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Brackets mean that something was replaced, usually in a quotation.

      TFS is probably using that introductory sentence directly from a press release that says "mainstream support of Microsoft Windows 7 ends today". To turn that into an appropriate sentence outside of the context of the quotation and in the context of news-several-days-late on Slashdot, you have to replace "ends today" with "ended Monday". Brackets are appropriate for this purpose.

    5. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty much - most corporations have just barely (as in 2-3 years ago at most) updated from XP to Windows 7.

      Good luck with pushing 8 to the corporate world... it's about as adoptable as an angry badger with syphilis.

      More and more, I'm finding myself working at places where I really don't have to use a Windows UI if I don't want to. Right now I'm typing this on my corporate-issued MacBook Pro, and only rarely do I bother logging onto a Windows server (vSphere client, and even then only out of habit since the web-client works pretty much as well).

      Don't get me wrong - Microsoft will still be in the business world for a goodly long time - we still use Outlook/Exchange, Active Directory, and even Sharepoint (for HR/Corp crap - all the important stuff is on Confluence.) Thing is though, Microsoft's hold in business is beginning to show cracks, and I suspect in about 5 years, there will be a bit of a crisis in Redmond...

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    6. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not a huge fan of Windows; but, If I need it for something, Windows 7 is the version I install - in a virtual machine. It does seem pretty solid, and 8's UI gets in the way far too much (says this Mac user).

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    7. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More and more, I'm finding myself working at places where I really don't have to use a Windows UI if I don't want to. Right now I'm typing this on my corporate-issued MacBook Pro, and only rarely do I bother logging onto a Windows server (vSphere client, and even then only out of habit since the web-client works pretty much as well).

      Just an aside: I'm no fan of MS, even though I have to work in a Windows environment; however, when dealing with MS Servers, I have found that the recent versions of the Microsoft RDC Client for OS X is actually even more capable, just as fast (or maybe even faster), and a WHOLE lot better-mannered than even the Windows native RDC Client.

      If you run OS X, but need to "Remote-In" to Windows Servers/Workstations, check it out. It's free, and quite pleasant.

      And now I have to go wash my hands for typing something complimentary about Windows...

    8. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Windows 10 is where the enterprise is going. I literally just got out of a meeting where we were discussing our goals for the year and Office 2013 and probably Windows 10 (depending on launch date and apparent buginess) are on the list. As far as your MBP, that's fine for you if you work in IT, but if you think most businesses are going to give every worker drone an expensive Mac with about 5-10x the support cost (as in I have numbers that show our Mac users cost that much more depending on their level of competence/IT independance) you're delusional.

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    9. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by WarSpiteX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just get classic shell.

      The only difference you'll notice is faster boot times and not being prompted three times if you want to launch a program.

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    10. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is definitely much easier to use Windows in the business than Macs, from an IT perspective. There isn't even a comparison. The tools for managing Windows boxes are solid, and provides very simple integration and administration.

      If you don't want amateur sysadmins in your Windows boxes, then you don't give them administrator access on their machines.

      Windows is also considerably more stable than it used to be. There is no substantial difference in reliability between a Mac and a Win 7 box. Hell, I've been using the an install of Vista, of all things, on a box for at least five years without any difficulty.

      As far as security goes, as far as I can tell, the only major difference is that with Windows, you have more malware that has been written for it, but in terms of real security, it is no worse, and it is actually considerably better than a Mac if you consider the fact that an IT department can enforce restrictions on installing software and ensuring patching much more easily with a Windows box.

      I've supported both in IT before, and it isn't even close. Which is not to say Windows is perfect or even the best box for the job. There are many developers who love Macs for good reason.. That does not translate, however, into ease of management. For all that Apple is decent at maintaining upgrades on their consumer devices, their business support is crap and getting worse.

      Macs are not business machines, they're consumer machines that have to be shoehorned in and managed like special snowflakes.

    11. Re:Nostalgic for Windows 7? by Your.Master · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your statement is actually reinforcing his point.

      You are *not* a business user. If you were, you:

      a) would not have been able to get Windows into a state that requires a reinstall. For instance, you would not personally install or update anything.
      b) ...also would not have been able to reinstall Windows in the first place.

      Your experience with a personal computer is irrelevant. This isn't mean as an insult -- you're just discussing a completely different thing.

  2. Very nostalgic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I plan to switch to it real soon now.

  3. But by rossdee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some people are even now upgrading to Win 7

    I wouldn't touch 8.x with a 3 metre resident of Warsaw

    1. Re:But by ZosX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. I have no desire to stop running win7 anytime soon unless win 10 is magically awesome which I sincerely doubt it will be given the win8 debacle.

    2. Re:But by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

      As in all the recent ones suck...

    3. Re:But by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I resisted 8.1 for a long time because of all the bashing. But I recently rebuilt my system, needed to resintall, and decided to go with 8.1. And it's actually pretty good. It boots fast and has an even smaller footprint than 7. Install was smooth (the only issue was outputting sound over HDMI, which was fixed with my first update). I've not had any crashes or problems so far and I've been using it for several months now. The only problem I have with it interface-wise is with the layout of the start menu, but that took me all of a few minutes to fix.

      As usual, don't believe all the anti-Microsoft hype. Some people will bash anything MS does, for any reason (especially on slashdot). If Bill Gates cured cancer tomorrow and gave the cure away for free, posters would be on here in droves complaining that he didn't do it fast enough.

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    4. Re:But by Megol · · Score: 4, Informative

      Install the 8.1 update and select startup to desktop
      Install classic start menu
      Disable the idiotic touchpad gestures MS "designed" for Win 8
      Optionally install something like ModernMix to be able to run metro apps windowed (I have it installed but never use it)

      Voila: A usable Windows installation where one doesn't need to use anything metro/"modern" if one doesn't want to. Somewhat like Windows 7 on steroids.

    5. Re:But by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Informative

      ive been working with the 10 tech preview. it fixes all the issues with 8 IMO. Im liking it, but YMMV

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    6. Re:But by dablow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows 8.1 is ok.....

      It's just the UI and stupid metro (modern wtv) stupid start menu crap that annoys me.

      Also it seems to be a little shizo...some settings are in classic menus...some in modern....

      But in terms of stability, performance, it's actually as good as windows 7.

    7. Re:But by Russ1642 · · Score: 3, Funny

      99% of the people bashing the windows 8 interface haven't used it for more than an hour. They go crazy when anything changes. I try not to do that because it reminds me of how old people react to everything, and I never want to get that way.

    8. Re:But by Balthisar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a Mac user primarily, and a Windows 7 user at work (rollout was completed late last year). Even I don't hate Windows 8.1 (Windows 8.0 did suck, though). It boots to my desktop, I set up my preferences, and I'm mostly all set.

      My only gripes are minor: Hiding the Startup Items folder is bad. Not being able to manage files in a folder for a Start Menu is bad. I still can't find crap I've deleted from the Start Screen if it's not a real application (like, say, the Microsoft Store).

      Although I don't plan to give up my Macs as primary workhorses (and HTPCs) any time soon, I'm a bit frustrated at all of the B*S* networking issues with Yosemite. Still not enough to make me switch, though.

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    9. Re:But by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Informative

      yes it does. "metro" is dead in 10, metro apps are now in the start menu (think windows 7 menu) you have the standard XP classic startmenu, and attached to that similar to 7 your metro tiles live.

      Metro apps open on the desktop and are resizable unlike in 8/ 8,1 where you have to be in metro like it were an app itself. To top it off, it is fast, much faster than 7 or 8 (SSD 8 gig of ram phenom 2 setup)

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    10. Re:But by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes.
      You only get the tiled interface on Tablets and maybe touch devices....
      In other words the way it really should have worked from the start.

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    11. Re:But by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "99% of the people bashing the windows 8 interface haven't used it for more than an hour."
      As someone that has used and liked AmigaOS, MacOS, OS/X, LinuxKDE, LinuxGnome, Windows, Windows95, 98, 2000, XP, and 7.... If I use a UI for an hour and still hate it I am done.
      Windows 8 UI works well on tablets, it is okay on touch devices, it is useless on a traditional desktop or laptop.
      The core OS is actually really good but the UI is bad for the majority of users. It gives little to no added value for the pain provided.

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    12. Re:But by Paco103 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Install classic shell. I actually like Windows 8 except for the UI. Classic Shell (and Aero 8 if you want the eye candy effects), solves that problem entirely.

    13. Re:But by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it's going to be a bit cooler than that, if you have a touch device then metro apps will by default work like they do in 8, if not they'll be windowed, and if you have a convertible like the Surface Pro line then it will change behavior depending on the current configuration (again, by default, MS has heard the masses and will allow you to tweak the behavior).

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    14. Re:But by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >99% of the people bashing the windows 8 interface haven't used it for more than an hour. They go crazy when anything changes

      That's complete bullshit, and you know it. The terrible changes in Win 8 were done to try to drive traffic to an app store, and to run on tablets. They actually harm the user-experience on the desktop. This is not people freaking out over change, this is people rejecting a broken UI.

      I have to assume that there's something seriously wrong with you, causing you to call people crazy for rejecting an inferior OS. Is the rest of your worldview this screwy?

    15. Re:But by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Bill Gates cured cancer tomorrow and gave the cure away for free, posters would be on here in droves complaining that he didn't do it fast enough.

      If Bill Gates cured cancer and gave the cure away for free:

      1) The first cure would be free.

      2) The cure would be designed to reactivate the cancer, this time being more virulent than the original, but this time it would be immune to the free cure.

      3) The second cure would require activation and frequent repurchases, or the cure would be rendered inert (killing you). You would be required to repurchase the cure for the rest of your life.

      4) You would be required to purchase cures for diseases you don't have, but taxing your indocrine system to the point that random body parts start failing.

      5) Bill Gates would issue patches for the flawed cure, but the patches would inexplicable cause new diseases for which you would be required to purchase 3rd party medicines. These medicines would themselves drain 60% of your body's useable energy, and unpredictable times, while unsuccessfully attempting to address the fundamental design flaws of the cure.

      6) Bill Gates would promise that the next version of the cure will solve your problems, but that it is not covered by any licensing agreement you may currently have. The promise is false, but you don't seem to remember any of the other false promises he made, so you purchase the next version of the cure. This somehow makes things worse, but Bill Gates blames you for using 3rd party medicines.

      I could go on, but I have work to do.

    16. Re:But by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The funny part is the role reversal. To make efficient use of the Win 8.x start menu, you either need a touch device or you have to use the keyboard short cuts. Otherwise you are picking up the mouse, locating the startmenu, putting the mouse down to start typing a search string, then picking the mouse back up to click the result.

      I use it on my VM, its actually a blazing fast way to find stuff if you go all keyboard, but get the mouse involved and its tedious. I don't have so many desktop applications that anyhting is more than a few clicks away in my organized XFCE doc though on Linux or the old start menu wasn't pretty efficient with the mouse.

      Thing is keyboard shortcuts really are probably better and the search function saves the steps of actually defining all those shortcuts.

      It makes me laugh though because if I suggested on any Linux UI that a former Windows user learn the keys, I was an apologist for an apparent UI failure. Now all the Windows folks are running around insisting the UI is just fine because its fast with the keyboard!

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    17. Re:But by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We bought a laptop for my then-12-year-old son so he could play Minecraft without using ours. It shipped with Windows 8 and he is young and unexperienced enough to not have any prior opinions. And above all else, it was his beloved Christmas laptop, not some random beige box that an employer shoved onto his desk. In other words, this was the best possible scenario for someone to like Windows 8.

      Two years later, he despises the desktop with a passion. Sure, his programs run well once he launches them, but everything else is a hassle. It looks weird. Nothing works like the lab computers at school. His friends don't have anything like it. It's obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious, and I've heard plenty of complaints about Windows itself since we got it. They're good natured and he isn't ungrateful: when I asked him if he liked his laptop, he told me he loves it and it runs great, "but is the next Windows going to be less stupid?"

      If you make a UI change and Retirement Joe in the office pool doesn't like it, well, that's probably just Joe being crotchety and close-minded. But what's it say when a malleable early teen who didn't have preconceived notions also thinks it's illogical and weird? I think it says you've done something very, very wrong.

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    18. Re:But by gnupun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why fix what isn't broken?

      Simple, they want one codebase and UI for windows desktop and windows phone/tablet. So you got tablet UI on your desktop/laptop, which is horrible.

  4. The beast and the hero by blueshift_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I feel like windows makes one-bad, one-good alternating OSs because they need to make the monster and then the savior. So like many others, I hope windows 10 does everyone a solid.

    1. Re:The beast and the hero by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 5, Funny

      The bad news is that they skipped 9, which was scheduled to be a good one....

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  5. We knew we had to get off of it, by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Funny

    which is why we just finished out our Vista roll-out last week!

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  6. It will get security patches for the next 5 years by wiredog · · Score: 5, Informative

    Which is about 5 years longer than any version of Android older than 5.0 will get them.

  7. It was the best Windows by halivar · · Score: 3, Informative

    IMHO, the best versions of Windows are (in order): 7, XP, and 95 OSR2. Note that each of these was a significant performance enhancement over both their respective predecessor and successor. Microsoft just can't let good enough be good enough; they always gotta screw up a winning formula. I do give them props for the longevity of XP; I coasted through Vista without ever touching it once.

    1. Re:It was the best Windows by Octorian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't kid yourself. XP was just as bad as Vista at first, but everyone forgets that. It didn't become the "Windows to stand the ultimate test of time" until XP SP2.

      Windows 2000 was also one of the best versions, IMHO. It just often gets left out, because it wasn't marketed to "the average home user." (But I wish it had been, instead of that trash called ME.)

    2. Re:It was the best Windows by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However going back Windows 95 is a different OS.
      10, 8, 7, Vista, XP, 2000, Windows NT 4, Windows NT 3 Were all based off the same kernel.
      MS DOS -> Windows ME were based on an other kernel.

      Windows 2000 was a really *good OS for the day. However Microsoft Dumped ME on the desktop users at the same time. So only business/pro users used Windows 2000.

      * By Good in terms of Windows OS, I had been using Linux sense early 1994. While I hadn't seen windows meet the Linux/Unix systems in terms of ability and features.

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    3. Re:It was the best Windows by jbolden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with you on Windows 2000. That was really the high point of Microsoft comparatively. XP mainly brought Windows 2000 features to a wider range of machines. And around the same time Apple overtook them with OSX 10.1-10.2 which was so clearly better.

      I had very high hopes that they were going to force through hardware changes in Windows 8 but Microsoft seems to have repeated the same mistakes as with Vista allowing OEMs and customers not wanting to spend to force them into using an OS on inappropriate hardware and thus destroying its reputation.

    4. Re:It was the best Windows by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2000 had a similar problem to Vista. They changed the driver model and *nothing* would work anymore. A lot of devices did not have working drivers for a long time and some older devices never new got drivers made. The software APIs were changed in ways that broke backwards compatibility so yes a lot of old apps would not run properly either. A lot of this was due to applications that wanted to write all over the filesystem and which were not designed for a multi-user OS.

      I liked Windows 2000 for the stability because it was NT based. Plus unlike NT the user interface was no longer horrible and it had passable support for games. Windows XP added more backwards compatibility with old apps so it was a lot more acceptable as a working platform plus by then the driver situation had improved. Vista had similar issues in particular with NVIDIA graphics drivers.

    5. Re:It was the best Windows by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same with Vista.....it sucked at first, hard (and also dishonest hardware vendors/M$ misleading people about hardware being able to run it did not help) but after a couple of service packs, it ran fine. Windows 7 was great from day 1.

      Vista sucked because it broke a lot of programs, because those programs were coded with poor coding practices (most developers suck). Microsoft wanted to do a clean start and fix a lot of windows security issues (e.g., you have to elevate yourself to admin versus being admin). This resulted in a lot of programs assuming they could do something when they couldn't, leading to a big pile of confusion. (Just like it was possible to actually have a Windows system that was usable non-Admin, one could get Vista working well. It just took a LOT of work to get to that state).

      A year later and everyone fixed their issues, making Vista much better. But since it was tainted, it was easier to repackage it as Windows 7 and leave the legacy of taint behind.

  8. Re:Win7 is the new XP by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure they are hoping this will push people into Microsoft-branded cloud services.

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  9. Re:First Post (I think) by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your "first post" shipped late, much like many of the advertised features of Microsoft operating systems.

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  10. Windows 7 like XP did - does what we need... by jzarling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Windows 7 like XP does what we need, with a familiar UI.

    As an office we are going to skip 8/8.X - its not a bad OS, my parents adapted once I installed Start8 (yes I know there are free apps out there).

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  11. Re:Where's the replacement? by rafjaimes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can try 10 Technical Preview. It is Windows 8.1 with Metro condensed to a start menu. It still has some full-screen hijacking apps and tons of bloat from Bing and the "App" Store. This might be ok for some people but it sounds like Microsoft is going down the wrong road for those of us that like a clean, controlled, and predictable system. Linux may be the answer for many if it has the right program support, but it's possible that 7 is the last sane OS from Microsoft.

  12. Re:No nostalgia for something you use every day. by Enry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had a university as a client last year and they had at least one Windows 3.1 system still in operation in a research capacity. XP is still all over the place.

  13. Re:It's time to look forward by laird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, if we could disable all of the crud they piled on top, the core of Windows 8 is relatively good, as it's efficient and stable. But the crud on top is really, really irritating, and bloated, which is why Windows 7 looks so good in comparison. My PC that ran find in Win7 became almost unusable with Win8. I'm hoping someone writes an un-installer that rips our the crud, like there was for Vista.

  14. Re:Where's the replacement? by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Informative

    the full screen apps are simply windows on the desktop now, resize and you are fine. its not like in 8 where desktop and metro are 2 different states

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  15. 7? Are you kidding? by kheldan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm still on XP, mainly because the box it's running on is almost 10 years old and running a single-core processor. I have other priorities for my money than building a new box just so I can run a newer OS. Not that I wouldn't like a faster, multi-core processor, mind you, but I just can't justify the expense when I have other things I'd rather spend the money on before that. Have to build it myself, too, no pre-built computers, and nothing non-upgradable like a NUC, either. I suppose Win 7 would run on this box OK, but I also don't want to have to go through all the hassle of upgrading and then having to re-install everything I've got installed right now. It works fine the way it is, it does everything I need it to do, and frankly I spend more time outside the house doing active things than I used to spend inside staring at a monitor and have benefitted thereby.

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  16. complete BS by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is ridiculous. Win7 is all I sell on new PCs at my shop. Nobody wants 8.1. No business with a brain rolled it out. They damn well better extend support past 2020 as well because our business just got rid of XP needlessly on single purpose desktops.

  17. Re:Win7 is the new XP by pla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft made a terrible mistake in allowing enterprises to remain on XP so long and thus allowing this culture of not upgrading to take place.

    "Allowing"? Good one!

    If Microsoft had tried to force companies to migrate to Vista, we would have seen 2007 as finally the year of "Linux on the Desktop".

    Software vendors need to get a grip on their role in the ecosystem. They serve us, not the other way around. When people still run XP (hell, people still run 95!), that should tell Microsoft everything it needs to know about the viability of continuing its current trend toward forcing rapid unwanted change on people.

  18. Re:Sigh... by dablow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to IT.

    Leave you dignity and expertise at the door. Do everything as cheap as possible in the short term.

    You are a cost to the company, with nothing of value to contribute to the core business, be glad we took pity on your and gave you a job.

    Sounds familiar?

  19. Re:Win7 is the new XP by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There should be constant updates to Windows? This might work if you're a 5 person shop, but what if you're managing the IT resources of a 10,000 person company? Upgrading Windows means you need to make sure you're not breaking a business-critical application. If your Windows update will break this, you need to either 1) upgrade that application first, 2) migrate to a compatible application, or 3) somehow run this application in a VM. This might be a challenge if there is one application to consider, but when your organization gets large, there might be dozens of these applications to consider. Then there are employee training issues to consider. (Especially if you were moving to Windows 8's new UI.) The IT manager who just says "we're updating to the new version of Windows and too bad if it causes issues" will quickly find his users storming his office demanding answers as to why critical business systems don't work anymore. I suspect said IT manager would also quickly find himself searching for a new job.

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  20. We've Enter "Stable Release" status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Finally

    Only Security patches from here on out.. not Mucky Muck.. "Feature Enhancements" or "Rubble" updates or "Video Card drivers"

    Golden Edition

    We should all be good for the next Thirteen years or so

  21. Re:No nostalgia for something you use every day. by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In practice you needed a Pentium 2 with 64MB RAM to run Windows 98 properly.

    This made me think how in the old days, software minimum requirements often described the bare minimum hardware with what the software kinda-sorta could start. :) These days we don't see that as much, but defining requirements is still tricky: for example you can't really meaningfully slap there "2GHz CPU or faster", because the work done per clock cycle has improved tremendously. Describing the GPU requirement is problematic too, because if you say "GTX460 or faster", some people can have hard time weighing how fast a GTX460 exactly was, and what was the performance of various chips that came after that.

  22. Upgrading? by Cyfun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know your new OS is awful when people "upgrade" to the previous version.

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  23. But... If evil is the product, it's quite good! by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Good luck with pushing 8 to the corporate world... it's about as adoptable as an angry badger with syphilis."

    Don't you just hate it when people are excessively positive about Microsoft?

  24. Looks Like I Won't Be Using Windows by Maltheus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just realized that my OEM license won't transfer to my new computer and I couldn't easily find a copy of Windows 7, so for the first time I just decided to go without. I have Windows 8 on a laptop and there's no way I'd ever buy a copy of that, if it didn't come preloaded. It's just awful.

    This marks the end of the dual-boot era for me. It's Linux all the way now. Great job Microsoft!

  25. Windows 8.1 is just ridiculous. by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Windows 8.1 is just ridiculous. It hardly meets the needs of business at all, too many problems. That silly touch interface is just insane.
    Microsoft is trying hard to jam Windows 8.1 and soon Windows 10 down our throats, but XP was clearly the most powerful OS that MS has made, and Windows 7 is a barely usable but certainly much less convenient OS than XP.
    Which completely explains why there are so many computers in the world still running and being used productively with XP.
    Hundreds of millions of them.

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    1. Re:Windows 8.1 is just ridiculous. by Sir_Substance · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but XP was clearly the most powerful OS that MS has made, and Windows 7 is a barely usable but certainly much less convenient OS than XP.

      It's very true. For years I thought that I liked windows 7 more than XP, but then about 3 years ago I had to use an XP machine at work, and I realised it was much better then 7. The only thing I missed from 7 was pinning windows to the start bar.

      It turns out that what I really want from an operating system is to not notice it. Windows 7 is like windows XP, but flashier. Flashiness is not a desirable attribute in an OS. XP represented peak functionality over form for microsoft, and the balance has been going the other way since then.

      I don't want your OS to respond to voice commands, I don't want it to automatically sync my files, I don't want push notification apps. If I wanted that I'd download a program to do it

      I want a robust hardware abstraction so I can pretend thumb drives work the same as magnetic SATA drives, an understated and gentle file manager/desktop, and that's all.

      I don't even want your browser. Bring back the thing which lets me choose a browser the first time I start the computer.

  26. Re:64bit by Smauler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    XP will go down in history as the best OS made. Ever.

    Win2k was better.