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The NSA Is Viewed Favorably By Most Young People

Posted by Soulskill on from the haven't-learned-when-to-trust dept.

cstacy writes: A poll by the Pew Research Center suggests that Snowden's revelations have not much changed the public's favorable view of the NSA. Younger people (under 30) tend to view the NSA favorably, compared to those 65 and older. 61% of people aged 18-29 viewed the NSA favorably, while 30% viewed the NSA unfavorably and 9% had no opinion. 55% of people aged 30-49 viewed the NSA favorably. At the 65+ age bracket, only 40% of people viewed the NSA favorably.

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  1. In other news... by DivineKnight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other news, Satan is viewed positively by those who have never heard of him...

    1. Re:In other news... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I heard of him and I still think he's nothing but the PR department of his alleged adversary.

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    2. Re:In other news... by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hey, it's much easier to get good press once you construct a bogeyman to blame for your less popular actions. Just look at the old testament - there is no adversary, and God is a great and terrible being whose attention you're probably better off avoiding entirely.

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    3. Re:In other news... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they meant NASA?

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    4. Re:In other news... by kheldan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Alternate subject line for you: "Naivete inversely proportional to age", or "Young people proven yet again to be generally unwise, don't know the difference". The NSA has it's own propaganda machine, and guess what? Apparently it's working, what a shocker. There is an entire generation out there who have been raised to believe that 'not sharing' is anti-social and a symptom of some sort of mental illness, and that only people with something to hide want 'privacy'. Organizations like the NSA, and companies like Facebook and other so-called 'social media', which really are just data collection services for the government and marketers, are playing the long game of indoctrinating young people into the concept that their natural, normal need for privacy is wrong, bad, and an illness; if they're allowed to continue this, the next generation may not even know of such a thing as 'privacy', and maybe even react violently to the idea, like someone is, ironically, trying to take something away from them. They don't get that the world they live in is becoming more and more like a prison or a zoo, with them being the ones behind the bars, being watched 24/7/365. Meanwhile they're also being taught to not think, not question anything, to not work things out themselves, to ask an 'authority figure' instead; someone I used to work with had a phrase for people like this: 'Monkey button-pushers', people who can be taught to do a task, but that don't (or can't) understand really what they're doing. People have too much done for them, are less and less incentivised to actually learn how things work, learn skills, or to think creatively.

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    5. Re: In other news... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, yes, of course a well-respected research center doesn't know how to run a simple opinion poll...

      In other news, grass is green, and the sky is blue. An opinion poll, Pew or otherwise, being shitty and unreliable is the case more often than not.

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    6. Re:In other news... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My take: "Those who have never seen anything different happy with status quo".

      Demographic: 18-29. That means that they were between 5 and 16 when 9/11 happened. These kids grew up with "ZOMG!!! 3VIL TERRORIZTS!!!!!"

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    7. Re:In other news... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How do you tell God and Devil apart? http://dwindlinginunbelief.blo...

      Simple - God wants his followers ignorant (do not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil), the Devil wants you to know everything - because then you'll *know* that God wants his followers ignorant. It's true - the Devil is in the details :-)

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    8. Re:In other news... by ProzacPatient · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just look at the old testament - there is no adversary

      Have you actually ever bothered to read the bible?

      The Hebrew scriptures ("Old Testament") deals mostly with God's dealings with ancient Israel (See Genesis 17:7, 8 and Exodus 19:3-6) and of the lineage that would lead to the promised seed first mentioned at Genesis 3:15 (See also Genesis 22:15-18; Galatians 3:16 and Matthew 1:1-17), however several times throughout the Hebrew scriptures the entity known as Satanas throughout the Greek scriptures ("New Testament") is certain present in the Hebrew scriptures (The word Satan itself is Hebrew). One particular example that comes to mind is Job 1:6-9 which mentions Satan several times. Given that all scripture is inspired (2nd Timothy 3:16) it is noteworthy that Revelation 12:9; in the Greek scriptures, points back to Genesis 3:1; in the Hebrew scriptures, identifying the original serpent in the Garden of Eden as Satan.

      I could go on with more examples but I'm just making the case that God's chief adversary, Satan the Devil, is indeed present in the Hebrew scriptures.

    9. Re:In other news... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I tend to think that I can actually estimate the NSA's obligation and motivation. Mostly because they are mine, if only in a different area and a different part of this planet. I, too, am concerned with security. I'm responsible for the security of quite important and valuable assets that, if threatened or even harmed, could have a serious negative impact on various parts of the economy and maybe lives, depending on how important some people take their belongings.

      I'm not responsible for the security of a country, but of a large enough corporation that maybe this allows me to speak in perspective here.

      And there is one thing that is imperative when it comes to security: Your efforts must not threaten your own assets. When protecting my assets costs more than they are worth, the security is not even just useless, it's worse than useless. Because you just wasted more than what an incident could have costed.

      Likewise, you cannot protect your assets by throwing them away. Of course you can avoid them being stolen by discarding them, but that doesn't accomplish anything either.

      And the NSA is doing just that. What's it worth to defend the USA against terrorist attacks if those attacks would do less damage than the protection? What is it worth to defend the "American way of life" if that very way of life with its liberties and freedoms is discarded in favor of a security theater?

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  2. If you knew the NSA was reading your response by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and you do, because they're reading everything... how would YOU respond?

  3. I think the reason is a misunderstanding by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    What they meant is that they like casual sex. "No Strings Attached", usually abbreviated "nsa", is, at least according to wikipedia, "an expression for casual sex often used in personal ads."

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  4. they know they're watching by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    young people say the 'right' thing to pollsters.

    1. Re:they know they're watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This.

      It's like when you're doing those paid online surveys and one about music comes up and they ask, "Have you ever pirated music / downloaded illegally / &c.?"

      If I haven't, I'll say "no". If I have, I'll say "no".

      Rule number 1: You do not say anything to incriminate you.

      Rule number 2: See rule number 1.

      Put another way, if a policeman thinks you're giving attitude and you say, "Do you have a problem with the police?" what you don't say is...

      The NSA fear campaign has worked. I know loads of people who have anti-authoritarian spirit who take great care about where they say things, and try to clean up any record of what they've said. They're not out to cause harm, and many of them have regular jobs, but they are worried about how they'll be judged now (by more authoritarian employers / if they were to become the subject of investigation / whatever) and how they'll be judged in the future (by everyone, when computers are powerful enough to trawl through every item of data anyone has ever published).

  5. Re:Not my findings by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, now you have strong evidence that the people you talk to are not representative of America as a whole.

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  6. The sheeple factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sheeples will like something when they are told by someone that that something is good

    Most of the younger generations have been brought up without any struggle - everything has been provided for, from physical things such as housing, food, schooling to virtual things like voting rights, it's all there

    Unlike generation of yore who had to fight the system in order to get something - the young uns don't need to

    They are content, and content people can easily turned into sheeples

  7. Re:I am not sure what the hoopla is about by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I was not surprised either. However, we purport to be a free country with certain rights, including privacy. To not follow that is not just insulting and hypocritical, it is dangerous. The sheer amount of data collected is too much to handle period. This was proven at 9/11 which the NSA had intel on (with far less noisy data than now), and with the Boston marathon bombing.

    The question then is what will this data be used for if it is not usable/used for its intended purpose? I can think of nothing good, and this is the reason for those rights in the first place. To prevent tyranny.

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  8. How much based on who controls the White House? by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much of this is a reflection of "I trust the government, if my guy is in charge. I don't trust the government if the other guy is in charge."

    The Patriot Act is probably a great example of this. How many people flipped positions on whether the Patriot Act was a good thing or a bad thing when Bush left office and Obama became president?

    From what I can see, consistency of thought and philosophy seems rather rare in American politics. Too many people are partisan whores who always agree with their party and always disagree with the other party.

  9. Re:IRS by GammaKitsune · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can understand conservative's (Tea Party types) dislike - it was pretty damning the selective enforcement of tax laws against conservative organizations

    Wrong. This is one of the most widely debunked myths in modern politics. The IRS was investigating a wide range of new 501(c)(4) organizations that cropped up following the formation of the tea-party movement. 501(c)(4) organizations are tax-exempt nonprofits, and as such they are obligated to avoid being used for political purposes. Political organizations are supposed to be taxed. So of course, like any responsible agency should, the IRS took time to carefully examine the sudden influx of obvious right-wing political organizations seeking tax-exempt status. Even so, not a single one of those organizations was ever denied 501(c)(4) status.

    At the same time, the IRS was giving similar scrutiny toward more liberal leaning organizations. They went through the same process as the rightwinger political organizations, but unlike the rightwingers, the IRS decided to go ahead and deny status to a number of seemingly-liberal organizations. Of course, this didn't particularly matter to the rightwing media when the story broke. They proceeded to lie, scream incoherently and flood the airwaves with manufactured outrage. It was part of the ongoing effort by the right to paint themselves as victims, and they still won't shut up about it no matter how often it's been debunked. As we've seen again and again, if the evidence for wrongdoing never surfaces, the right will just turn a non-scandal into a conspiracy theory. See: Benghazi, Obama's birth certificates, etc.

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  10. Vietnam war by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My father is distrustful towards the government even though he is liberal and not a tea party guy who hates them based on idealogical grounds.

    The government forced his friends in highschool to be killed in Vietnam against their will. He had a baby and went to school and they ripped his family apart and sent him to fight in a war he didn't believe in based on lies by Henry Kissenger, LBJ, and Nixon.

    To this day he keeps a photocopy of his discharge papers from the military. He said enjoy what you have because what you have can be taken from you by the second!

    So ... NSA spying, making up lies with the Iraq war with weapons of mass destruction, and this intrusion etc. To my Dad this is scary stuff complete with a mass with the younger generation reading this who can be fooled by propaganda easier.

    In the 1950s he was spoonfed propaganda too about those evil scary communistis hiding under the bed. Younger folks do not understand these concepts or have lived in fear of "What if they draft me next?"

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