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Cubans Allowed To Export Software and Software Services To the US

lpress writes In an effort to support Cuba's nascent private sector, the Treasury Department announced on Friday that Americans can now import goods and services produced by "independent Cuban entrepreneurs." Will the Cuban government allow that? Cuba is a communist nation, but they have a list of 201 job categories in which self-employment is permitted. Most of those jobs are goofy things like magician and pedal-taxi driver, but one is not – computer programmer. Will the Castro regime let private individuals and organizations export software and software services to the United States and the rest of the world?

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  1. Cigar Prices by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    Within a year or two (or maybe sooner), the price of a cuban cigar in the US will drop like a rock. I have friends who bring them in from Europe all the time.

    Now... What's all this about cuban software? They have computers?

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    1. Re:Cigar Prices by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      You've got it wrong. Even in Europe where they're legal, a good cuban cigar can go for upwards of $10 a stick.[1]

      Good cigars take years to manufacture (mainly due to the fact that you have to cure the tobacco for years). Even though the cuban government might (and has been known to) rush out cigars that have not properly cured, people who smoke cigars will generally still want ones that are properly aged (unless you're aging them yourself). And I should add that cigars that have not been cured long enough taste like cleaning products, and are very unpleasant because the chemicals you are getting rid of by the curing process are what make them a joy to smoke.

      So, all of a sudden, people who would never before dream of buying cuban cigars will start buying them[2]. And the increased demand without an increase in supply will cause a RISE to the price of cigars.[3]

      [1] Don't tell me about the cheap stick you smoked that someone told you was made. Brands like Montecristo, Punch, Trinidad, Hoyo de Monterray are the quality ones I'm talking about

      [2] Yes many smokers who are wise to the ways of the world know how to get smuggled cigars, but there are plenty of people who won't smuggle -- either out of fear or principles.

      [3] If you live in somewhere cubans are legal, this might be a good time to start stockpiling boxes. If cigar prices do go through the roof you can make a tidy profit. And if they don't, well, you have a humidor full of delicious cigars. Win Win

    2. Re:Cigar Prices by belmolis · · Score: 1

      They probably have computers, but I wonder what the state of the art is. There isn't much of a market for programmers of archaic Soviet machines via paper tape. Have they had sufficient access to modern computers and software to be able to compete for jobs in the US or write software anyone wants?

    3. Re:Cigar Prices by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      The answer is likely yes. Well, to a point.

      The US embargo was the US and US companies only. Other countries ignored it Cubans went to other countries to become educated and Cuba imported educators as well. That being said, only a small portion of the population will have access to computers. It will not be like other countries but possabilities beyond ancient soviet tech will exist.

    4. Re:Cigar Prices by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      All of this not taking into account the rather large decline of smoking in general in the US since the cold war.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Though it seems it's highest among those living in poverty (and among homosexuals, for reasons I am in no position to guess) which means that not many of those few that do smoke are likely able to fork out the money.

    5. Re:Cigar Prices by davydagger · · Score: 1

      there are computers everywhere in the world actually. Even North Korea has them, and North Korea is far more sheltered than Cuba. The only nation that embargos Cuba is the US. There was some article from 10 years ago about them rolling their own gentoo distribution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    6. Re:Cigar Prices by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Interesting comments. I'm basing supply on "serious cigar" guys I know who bring a few back from Europe on military jets now and then.

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    7. Re:Cigar Prices by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that at the high levels, computers are quite good. Lower down, we are probably talking 486 or even 386.

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    8. Re:Cigar Prices by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      Smoking Cigarettes and Smoking Cigars are not equivalent.

      Cigarettes are highly addictive and yes the lower class and poor do seem to be disproportionately affected.

      Cigars are something enjoyed by the upper class, and generally people don't smoke a pack a day. You have one or two for a special occasion.

      It's two completely different things. If you don't believe me try bringing back a box of expensive Cuban cigars and handing them out. Plenty of people who don't smoke will take one because they enjoy experiencing something new.

    9. Re:Cigar Prices by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      Yeah it may very well be that long term (like over 10 years) cigar manufacturing goes bonkers and prices go down.

      But short term supply is inelastic (because cigars take so long to make) and prices will go up with an increase in demand.

    10. Re:Cigar Prices by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Here is some information about it. Its a year dated, but a year ago cuba had 25% internet rate. More info here http://mashable.com/2014/04/03...

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    11. Re:Cigar Prices by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Aren't they legal in Mexico? I know people who used to drive to Mexico to smuggle back Cuban cigars. Though they could be illegal there, and the friends thinking they were being tricky were being defrauded.

    12. Re:Cigar Prices by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      They're only illegal in the US. Drive North to Canada, or South to Mexico, and you can buy them.

      Getting them back is the tricky part. While anyone who has been through a border crossing can tell you it's pretty unlikely you get searched, the penalty is quite severe (something like $50k per incident). And while customs generally won't throw the book at you for a box of cigars, to make it worth while to drive to mexico you'd need to buy an awful lot of boxes.

    13. Re:Cigar Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is likely yes. Well, to a point.

      The US embargo was the US and US companies only. Other countries ignored it Cubans went to other countries to become educated and Cuba imported educators as well. That being said, only a small portion of the population will have access to computers. It will not be like other countries but possabilities beyond ancient soviet tech will exist.

      Bullshit. The embargo is, in practice, and extra-territorial measure imposed by the US, to ANY company that does business in the US. Which means... the owners of said companies would have had to decide between doing business in Cuba OR in the US. Which, do you think, would they prefer: a tiny, poor, leftist island in central america, or the much more populated, right-wing, consumerist center of the world?
      Cubans had and still have LOTS of problems because of this bloqueo.
      However, they have been doing business with the chinese (which, obviously, the US government cannot control), but they are still poor, and unable to sell to other countries. /off-topic

    14. Re:Cigar Prices by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      smoking is bad, drugs are bad , alcohol is bad M'kay ?

    15. Re:Cigar Prices by ruir · · Score: 1

      There you see, the proof they are communists...using linux, the bastards!

    16. Re: Cigar Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.thomascook.com/holidays/caribbean/cuba/

      In UK you can book holidays in Cuba. Is an US only embargo.

    17. Re:Cigar Prices by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1
    18. Re:Cigar Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There isn't much of a market for programmers of archaic Soviet machines via paper tape.

      If you can write useful programs on paper-tape computers, you already have a good mind. You could be re-trained in a few weeks time to write the new Tetris that fits in 8kB or a JPEG-capable viewer that fits in 64kB on x86 compatible PC. The harder thing will be to make you forget about assembler and accept the wonders of object-oriented C++ and Java and other marvels. Anyhow, a Microsoft Office 2013 clone produced by ex-communist bloc programmers would not need to arrive on double-sided DVD install disc...

    19. Re:Cigar Prices by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      And then puke because it absolutely smells disgusting.
      Even with quality cigars and even when smoking properly (i.e. not like cigarettes or joints).

    20. Re:Cigar Prices by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      May be you've never had a good cigar then as the aroma of a good cigar is nothing short of heavenly.

      The funny thing about cigar smoking is a lot of people try something cheap, because they don't want to spend a lot of money on something they're not going to enjoy.

      But as the high end cigars are more likely to be tasty (it's hard to find anything tasty for less than $10 a stick), you may have a better experience with a better stick.

    21. Re:Cigar Prices by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      It's just not my taste.
      My father in law is a cigar nerd : I tried Cohiba and Montecristo from his humedor, it just tasted awful.
      Maybe it's just me, I cannot drink a single drop of good whisky either.

    22. Re:Cigar Prices by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      I feel sorry for you that you'll never get to experience one of the great pleasures in life.

    23. Re:Cigar Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Live in Texas, drive to Mexico is a weekend trip and you can bring back the good booze and cooking vanilla to boot.

      Captcha - relative

    24. Re:Cigar Prices by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      To each his own. It might come later.
      It took me a while to enjoy wines and olives.
      Anyway, weed, guitar, anal sex and skateboarding are my great pleasures in life right now, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything :D

    25. Re:Cigar Prices by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      I've been in the presence of people smoking $100+ cuban cigars, and they smell just as disgusting as the $5 American ones.

  2. what do they have to offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In the past, charities were sending them our old computers.

    Do they have any skills or products other than maintain Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 legacy systems?

    1. Re:what do they have to offer by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Low wages?

    2. Re: what do they have to offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can fix systemd.

    3. Re:what do they have to offer by Technician · · Score: 1

      Do they have schools to train programmers?

      Serious question, with severely limited internet, is there any good programmers in Cuba? Are they up on training in security, encryption, VPN's, large enterprise anything such as server clusters, managed switches, VOIP, etc.

      With limited communication and access, I presume the opportunities are limited to hone skills.

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    4. Re: what do they have to offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need a Cuban for that, any idiot can type rm -rf.

    5. Re:what do they have to offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With limited communication and access, I presume the opportunities are limited to hone skills.

      I had 3 computer science teachers from cuba, all of them had masters or PHD degrees elswere though.
      Thery were all outstanding.

    6. Re:what do they have to offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the education system in the US would be a bit better, you would probably know that Cuba have a good education system.

      "Education expenditures continue to receive high priority, as Cuba spends 10 percent of its central budget on education, compared with 4 percent in the United Kingdom and just 2 percent in the United States, according to UNESCO."

      "Ever since the Cuban revolution in the 1950s, the country’s education system has fundamentally improved. UNESCO rates Cuba as the best education system in Latin America, despite being one of the less developed countries in the region."

      http://www.internations.org/cuba-expats/guide/life-in-cuba-15677/healthcare-and-education-in-cuba-2

      They have a higher rate of Literacy that USA ;) 99.8% for Cuba, 99% for USA

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

      Ask the CIA if you don't believe me https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2103.html#136

    7. Re:what do they have to offer by stooo · · Score: 1

      >>Do they have any skills or products other than maintain Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 legacy systems?

      Linux.
      The answer to every question is the universe was 42. Now it's becoming Linux. Linux is the new 42.

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    8. Re:what do they have to offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have fine schools.

      Their real problem is going to be that the government is obsessed with monitoring people.

      If you meet Cubans online, you'll see that they are scared of what they say online. As far as I can tell, the government keeps taking away access in order to prevent anyone from developing too much ability to communicate with the outside world.

      This will be a huge hindrance to their development.

    9. Re:what do they have to offer by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      is there any good programmers in Cuba

      s/is/are/

      Access to schools that teach English are rare too, apparently

  3. Why not just say it out loud? by jeff13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... call centre.

    1. Re:Why not just say it out loud? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Expect they speak Spanish and not English. I work at one right now and our Spanish operations in Panama could probably do it for just as cheap there and unlike Cuba they have these things called fiber OC and T3 wan connections for traffic and voice which I doubt exist in Cuba currently.

    2. Re:Why not just say it out loud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Gotta keep the salaries in America down by constantly using the rest of the world as your labor pool while the employees in your own country are forced to limit their expense options to local US prices.

    3. Re:Why not just say it out loud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except they mostly speak Spanish. The highest prices go to mostly English speaking centers.

    4. Re:Why not just say it out loud? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1
      Less than 100 miles from the US, it would be pretty cheap to lay fiber there. You'd pay more for the landing in Miami than the cost of the glass. And with all the fiber running around the Caribbean, I'd be surprised if there's none there. What does the US do for the Guantanamo base? I'd have guessed that there's something from FL to Puerto Rico that stops there, and it's be easy to sell to Cuba off it. MCI was the US government's official no-bid communications provider for many years, and they'd build fiber to weird places to make big money.

      T3 wan connections for traffic and voice which I doubt exist in Cuba currently.

      What, with their ties to Russia and blocks by the US, they use E3 instead?

  4. Great for Cuba by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Bad for Americans.

    I have to say this? I am in Desktop and some server support now and I deeply regret following the advice of do not code as only Indians will do it by 2010 or so. Kicking myself!

    Why? College grads make $60,000 with 0 experience in the US?? I know this opinion is unpopular on Slashdot but it does add credence to maybe their is a shortage of good developers as only MBAs make this out of school.

    If Cubans can do it cheaper and add freedom and prosperity to end tyranny like what happened in China then why are we agaisn't it besides protecting our own self interests

    1. Re:Great for Cuba by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets. As a programmer I wouldn't get out of bed for a wage that low.

      Trust me, if your country is uncompetitive, its not wages.

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    2. Re:Great for Cuba by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets.

      You can not make that kind of comparison without taking into account something called "cost of living". There are many civilized places where my wages are very nice indeed in comparison with the locals, but guess what? The cost of living is different.

      Why do you think so many Americans retire to Costa Rica or other similar places? Because for the SAME level of "quality of life", it is less expensive.

      But given the right-wing politics and level of personal freedom in Australia, I wouldn't live there if I were a Millionaire.

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    3. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe their is a shortage of good developers

      I'd believe that if the HR department wasn't going to seminars to learn how to turn away all local applicants for jobs while still meeting government requirements to qualify for H1-B visa workers.

      The MBAs just want cheaper labor. Regardless of if they can get it locally or not. I say, fine. Open the trade borders, but don't call the companies "American" -- Multinational companies have no nation, and deserve no nations tax breaks. There's no shortage. The big businesses just want to benefit by selling to a market who benefits from our tax dollars and infrastructure, but don't want to pay the going rate for tech workers or pay taxes. Don't believe me? Get a Trade Tariff on H1-B labor to bring it into parity with the local wages, then you'll see the alleged "shortage" disappears in a puff of greed.

    4. Re:Great for Cuba by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Well I knew college kids who got $13/hr and were grateful to have a job here.

      Seems 28 is way too high

    5. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe their is a shortage of good developers

      I'd believe that if the HR department wasn't going to seminars to learn how to turn away all local applicants for jobs while still meeting government requirements to qualify for H1-B visa workers.

      The MBAs just want cheaper labor. Regardless of if they can get it locally or not. I say, fine. Open the trade borders, but don't call the companies "American" -- Multinational companies have no nation, and deserve no nations tax breaks. There's no shortage. The big businesses just want to benefit by selling to a market who benefits from our tax dollars and infrastructure, but don't want to pay the going rate for tech workers or pay taxes. Don't believe me? Get a Trade Tariff on H1-B labor to bring it into parity with the local wages, then you'll see the alleged "shortage" disappears in a puff of greed.

      With prices as high as $60,000 a year with no experience can you blame them? Lets say the price was $30,000 a year like most other college grads? Would they still be doing this? Probably not.

      I think there is a shortage if the prices right now stay as high as they are.

    6. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets. As a programmer I wouldn't get out of bed for a wage that low.

      Trust me, if your country is uncompetitive, its not wages.

      I find this very hard to believe. either your groceries are 200% higher than the US or there are no grocery stores left as they all would go out of business FAST.

      I would kill to make that much and would sooo RICH!

    7. Re:Great for Cuba by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Sydney is very expensive but so are San Fransisco and New York which are for worse.

      I find the GP statement not true unless the kid is a manger at the local super market in Australia or they have very high food costs :-)

    8. Re:Great for Cuba by matfud · · Score: 2

      Have you seen how much it costs to become a graduate of anything in the US?
      Perhaps the High tech companies should start training people. Even starbucks can train people to make coffee. Coding to the standard these companies seem to want is not that expensive and they may earn some loyalty.

    9. Re:Great for Cuba by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      A million dollars wouldn't buy you much, sadly. Sydney, where many of the senior government politicians hail from, has one of the most overvalued property markets in the world.

      Costa Rica, eh? I was thinking Chile or Uruguay...

    10. Re:Great for Cuba by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Our dollar has crashed, so bare in mind that $AU28 is now $US21.78 :)

    11. Re:Great for Cuba by SumDog · · Score: 2

      I'm a computer scientist who moved from Cincinnati to Melbourne and worked for a year there. Even with the cost-of-living, I worked a contract for $75k/year and could live very comfortable in Melbourne. I even left with more money than I arrived with (and I didn't even work the entire time; really only about 4 months total with some remote work still coming in from the US).

      Minimum wage is Victoria was $14 an hour. Oh yea, and citizens got free medicare.

      Don't confuse cost of living with cost of cheap electronics. They're two very different things, and the US gets one to keep the middle class complacent and ignorant

    12. Re:Great for Cuba by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Have you seen how much it costs to become a graduate of anything in the US?
      Perhaps the High tech companies should start training people. Even starbucks can train people to make coffee. Coding to the standard these companies seem to want is not that expensive and they may earn some loyalty.

      How do you know that barista will be a great coder when done? What will stop her for leaving as soon as training is finished?

      Training should be up to the employee since they leave all the time. Working for the same company for 30 years is not true anymore. Times have changed so employers do not expect people to stay for more than 2 years anyway as they lay off when the stock price is too low.

      Under these conditions even at higher prices it does not make economic sense to train but to outsource to get the work done or gasp pay a managers salary for a kid out of school.

    13. Re:Great for Cuba by youngone · · Score: 1

      They have very high food costs.

    14. Re:Great for Cuba by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      28 bucks to move boxes in a super market??? Thats insane. but then again a 25K chevy costs 100 grand for some odd reason down there

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    15. Re:Great for Cuba by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Belize is where id like to go

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    16. Re: Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $28 hr shifting boxes your kidding. More like $18 hr or less. Most aussies earn less than the average wage because the big end of town pushes the average up.

    17. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was making 20$/hour as a software developer when I was 15.

    18. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "$60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets."

      No we don't. That's a night filler position, current award pay rates:
      Casual: $23.15/h (At current exchange rates: US$18/h)
      Casual Saturday: $25.01/h
      Casual Sunday: $37.05/h
      Casual Public Holiday: $50.94/h

      Part-time/Full-time: $18.52/h (At current exchange rates: US$14.40/h)
      Part-time/Full-time Saturday: $23.15/h (Some types of retail excluded and get base rate)
      Part-time/Full-time Sunday: $37.05/h
      Part-time/Full-time Public Holiday: $46.31/h
      (Additional overtime rates apply)

      Actual pay rates based on hours worked can vary between AU$18000 (starting) to AU$36400 (senior) per year
      (http://www.open.edu.au/careers/retail-consumer-products/night-fillers)

      For comparison: http://www.job-applications.com/walmart-stock-associate/
      ~ US$14/hour, or pretty much the _same_ as in Australia, despite the higher cost of living.
      Higher income in Australia is a myth. It's only supported by comparing Apples to Oranges, or just making things up. It's a myth that the local distributors like to push as an excuse for their profiteering on product prices.

      Background:
      Casual means there's no guarantee of any number of hours at any time. Casual employees get paid extra to make up for not receiving annual leave, personal (sick) leave and notice of termination. In Australia we generally have three types of employment:
      - Full-time (~40hours a week)
      - Part-time (Minimum of 10+ hours a week, usually to a schedule set well in advance)
      - Casual (No guaranteed hours unless specified by award, work scheduled at short notice or adhoc)

      You can look at the current awards here: http://paycheck.fwo.gov.au/PayCheckPlus.aspx
      Per Annum pay rates here: http://www.open.edu.au/careers/retail-consumer-products/night-fillers

    19. Re:Great for Cuba by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      $60,000 is $28 US an hour salary. Here in Australia thats what we pay kids shifting boxes in supermarkets. As a programmer I wouldn't get out of bed for a wage that low.

      The US doesn't have such a generous welfare system as in Australia. If you did that kind of thing in the US, you'd be out on the streets and homeless in no time.

    20. Re:Great for Cuba by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      If all, or even most, tech companies trained employees instead of requiring college degrees, they could pay those people less. If those people leave, who cares? Just pick up someone trained by some other company instead. The point is that it doesn't take long to train an employee at most tech jobs, it's significantly cheaper than college and the costs to the company are recouped by lower salaries. It should be a big win for everyone except the poor universities.

    21. Re:Great for Cuba by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      What about productivity costs? People want things done NOW! If you have a team which all they do is train 50% of the time your productivity is cut in half.

      As soon as they gain experience they can earn $60,000 a year and will dump you.

      Yes there is a shortage of highly skilled IT developers and this may piss slashdotters off acting in their own interests but only the medical field is this common. Most college grads are happy they make $30,000 a year and that is considered a good job believe it or not for them in this economy.

      So bring in more foreigners to keep wages down and fill in vacant positions. For the business owners don't they matter too. It is not greedy to not want to shell out $100,000 a year for non managerial positions that require 7 years experience. That is just batshit crazy.

    22. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you ever wonder why tech support outsourced to India is so abysmal?

      It's not because Indians are incompetent. It's because those low wages aren't good by their standards either. Anybody competent gets out once they have a little experience.

    23. Re:Great for Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walfart doesn't start at $14.

      You get that much after 10 years.

    24. Re:Great for Cuba by matfud · · Score: 1

      There used to be this concept of a contract. You agree to train them (plus uni) and they agree to work with you for 2/3/4 years in compensation. I believe the military still use this (at least in most of Europe they do. Business less so now)

      It is silly to spend $100,000 a year . But you do not have to. That is silly money. Colleges in the US are wow..silly. Many of the jobs in It or recruitment or sales or whatever the fuck you wish are hard to be good at but there are lots of people who can do it and excel (degree or not)

      Sort of put your money where your mouth is and sponsor those you need.

  5. If they don't allow it... by gigaherz · · Score: 2

    ... I'll be forced to question their intelligence. Communism or no, exporting services means the country gets an intake of money, without this transaction resulting in the country having less resources as a result. Making additional copies of software is virtually free.

    1. Re:If they don't allow it... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Not every decision is made based on monetary terms.

      That said, open source is probably the closest the world has ever gotten to true communism.

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    2. Re:If they don't allow it... by StormReaver · · Score: 2

      That said, open source is probably the closest the world has ever gotten to true communism.

      Communism is centralized control of production. Free Software and Open Source are exactly the opposite. Patents and copyrights are much closer to Communism, as the Government issues directions for who gets to produce stuff.

    3. Re:If they don't allow it... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Communism is shared ownership of resources. It has nothing to do with who is making the decisions, though there is an assumption that each owner has a say.

      Free/Open Source software is fairly close. Each contributor owns his piece. Some projects require copyright assignment, and those have no Communistic features.

    4. Re:If they don't allow it... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Communism is centralized control of production.

      Nah, that's going too far. Communism is workers controlling the means of production. The Soviet Union (and others) attempted to achieve this by centralizing the control of production, but that's not necessary.

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  6. You hit the nail on the head... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

    Why not just say it out loud? Call center...

    Not a bad way to get the average Cuban into the 21st Century.

    It worked for India, first call centers, now they OWN the US development market.

    We will start seeing an influx of Cubans up here in Washington State on the Microsoft campas as soon as they can swing the politics...

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    1. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget about software developers. Why isn't Disney trying to acquire the Cuban government?
      Apparently copyright owned by the Cuban government is eternal.

    2. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but India had two things going for it that Cuba doesn't: they speak English and there are a metric fuckton of Indians.

    3. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Sure, but India had two things going for it that Cuba doesn't: they speak English...

      Cuba is 90 miles from Miami. Many Cubans have relatives in the US. You don't think they have English speakers?

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    4. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Informative

      by the looks of it no, none of their relatives in the states seem to know it

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    5. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Cuba is 90 miles from Miami. Many Cubans have relatives in the US. You don't think they have English speakers?

      by the looks of it no, none of their relatives in the states seem to know it

      A racist ill-informed comment made by an idiot.

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    6. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by readin · · Score: 1

      Sure, but India had two things going for it that Cuba doesn't: they speak English...

      Cuba is 90 miles from Miami. Many Cubans have relatives in the US. You don't think they have English speakers?

      The relatives in America speak English, but how would that cause the Cubans to learn it when their relatives in America can still speak Spanish?

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    7. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      India also has a metric fuckton of idiots...and most of them have an art of complicating the more simple of the problems. And sadly, they have Internet access, otherwise we would not have to endure their stupidity.

    8. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      A joke, gone way, way over butthurt liberals head...

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    9. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pointing out that man cuban people in miami speak spanish...which is true... is now ill informed and racist...really??? Is that what things have come to? Truth is racist?

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    10. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuba is 90 miles from Miami. Many Cubans have relatives in the US. You don't think they have English speakers?

      by the looks of it no, none of their relatives in the states seem to know it

      A racist ill-informed comment made by an idiot.

      Racist? So cubans are another race now?

    11. Re:You hit the nail on the head... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but India had two things going for it that Cuba doesn't: they speak English...

      Cuba is 90 miles from Miami. Many Cubans have relatives in the US. You don't think they have English speakers?

      There are many English speaking people in the tourist areas just as there are in the tourist areas of almost any country.
      Outside the tourist areas and Havana, you won't find much, if any English.

  7. Cubans! please Run as fast as you can.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    American oligarchs will use you like the 99% of U.S population. Poor Americans are slaves without future. Mortgages for life, student loans for life, cops in kindergartens and enormous security forces to prevent any uprising.

    Live your happy life. You don't need 5 cars and room in trailer park. When they come to your country, say to them - Fuck Off.

    1. Re: Cubans! please Run as fast as you can.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what it is! US corps seeking another cheap labor market!

  8. Do you like chewing gum and bailing wire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Because that's what Cuban "engineering" looks like. I worked with Cubans, besides the fact that they're universally nasty people, they just don't have the technical background.

    How could they? They've had to make do with limited materials and knowledge. They can repair anything, but don't ask them to repeat that trick or explain what they did.

    And as for the nastiness, they are on an island. They can't run away from people they don't get along with, so they have to be nasty just to survive.

    You want backstabbing and unreliable work? Hire a Cuban.

    There's a reason for the "Latin lover" stereotype. There's no German lover or Jewish playboy stereotype either, for a reason too.

  9. Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I have friends who bring them [Cuban cigars -mi] in from Europe all the time.

    Thus doing what little they can to help finance Castro's regime. Good job!

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    1. Re:Helping Castro by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thus doing what little they can to help finance Castro's regime. Good job!

      Perhaps I have fewer problems with Castro than the unrealistic and venomous wing-nut expats in Miami (where I lived for a few years before the hurricane took out Homestead AFB...).

      If you want to keep living in the 1960's or the "Cold War", not much anyone can do. But many people have moved on and are looking for actual real solutions that lead to peace and normal relations.

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    2. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points, I would mod you TROLL.

    3. Re:Helping Castro by andy1307 · · Score: 2

      Thus doing what little they can to help finance Castro's regime. Good job!

      You're probably typing this from a PC made in China. Financing the Chinese regime... the biggest threat to America. Why do you hate America?

    4. Re:Helping Castro by TarPitt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And every time you fill up the tank of your car, you help finance the Saudi Arabian theocratic dictatorship Good job!

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    5. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Let me guess, you worship Ayn Rand Paul Coo Coo Nut?

    6. Re:Helping Castro by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I have friends who bring them [Cuban cigars -mi] in from Europe all the time.

      Thus doing what little they can to help finance Castro's regime. Good job!

      Yeah, we shouldn't finance dictatorships such as Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait... Oh wait, I should have stopped that list after Cuba.

    7. Re:Helping Castro by davydagger · · Score: 1
      cold war is over broseph. Three points:

      1. wide embargos rarely hurt the regime, just the people.
      2. We actively trade with worse. We have "most favored nation" status with China as far as trade, and guess where most of your clothes, electronics are made, in terrible conditions mind you. That gasoline in your car most likely comes from Saudi Arabia, and we are openly allies with other Gulf Arab states. There never was an ounce of "human rights" in the embargo, and its fairly obvious to anyone who's taken more than a glancing look.
      3. Castro's regime while not great, is in no way the giant carciture its made out to be. If you tally things like deaths, torture, and mass incarceration of political victims, as far as dictatorships go, its really not that bad, once you compare for scale, especially among many US allies. Even among communist regimes it certainly does not rank with the USSR, Khmer Rouge, and Mao's China.

    8. Re:Helping Castro by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      i cant lie, I dont know much if anything about the current ruler of cuba and how he treats his people

      long story short though, having an embargo and pretty much going "bla bla bla im not listening to you" is what we have done for 60 years and what has that done for either us or them???? nothing at all

      this embargo should have fell when the berlin wall fell

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    9. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      this embargo should have fell when the berlin wall fell

      Because the situation in Cuba changed how?

    10. Re:Helping Castro by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      'BUT' the Mafia wanted their casinos back and guess who had a significant role in running the US government.

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    11. Re:Helping Castro by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the situation in cuba only happened because of the USSR. an embargo made sense when the ussr was trying to smuggle nukes to cuba to use against us.

      We trade with many countries with worse records than cuba (and i dont know the record since fidel died if his brother/son whatever is any better) like saudi arabia and china so why not lift the embargo???

      the question to ask is simple. will lifting the embargo hurt americans? If the answer is no, lift it. if the answer is yes, explain it

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    12. Re:Helping Castro by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 2

      FYI: Fidel isn't dead; he just gave his brother more power.

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    13. Re:Helping Castro by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      ahh, thanks, I had thought he died a few years back, i never followed up on it, frankly could care less.

      I still think they are not as bad as some countries we consider allies, as such the embargo should be lifted.

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    14. Re:Helping Castro by Strider- · · Score: 5, Informative

      That gasoline in your car most likely comes from Saudi Arabia, and we are openly allies with other Gulf Arab states.

      I've seen this repeated a bunch of times, but it's simply not true. Canada was far and away the largest source of foreign oil to the United States. In November 2014, the USA imported an average of 3.443 million barrels per day from Canada, and only imported 1.014 million barrels from Saudi Arabia. If you add up all the gulf states, and other less friendly nations, that the total imports to the US total 2.630 Mbpd (I totalled Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Iraq, Angola, Russia, Kuwait, and Algeria in that). Additionally, the United States extracts 9.020 Million barrels per day of crude.

      The long and short of this is that the gasoline in your car most likely came from domestic crude, followed by Canadian crude, or crude from other friendly nations, and not from Saudi Arabia, or other less friendly nations.

      Sources:

      http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/i...
      http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pe...

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    15. Re:Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 1

      the question to ask is simple. will lifting the embargo hurt americans?

      A remarkably self-serving attitude. With such an approach, I can point at some other laws ripe for abolishing. Like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act — why should American corporations be enjoined from using bribery to win foreign contracts? If the sophisticated Europeans and the even more sophisticated Chinese are free to use the tool to gain valuable business, why should America keep itself at disadvantage?

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    16. Re:Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 2

      I still think they are not as bad as some countries we consider allies

      And who would that be? I can only think of North Korea, who are worse than Cuba...

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    17. Re:Helping Castro by teg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I still think they are not as bad as some countries we consider allies

      And who would that be? I can only think of North Korea, who are worse than Cuba...

      Countries worse then Cuba? Most Arab allies is a good start. Cuba is a far better place to live than Saudi Arabia humans rights wise, to give one obvious example. The US has had close ties to countries and dictators far worse or equal to Cuba - historically, the US has supported some pretty bad dictators in Latin America.

    18. Re:Helping Castro by ruir · · Score: 1

      As far as I noticed, the embargo is making the people of Cuba even poorer. I doubt Castro family and cronies are much affected by it, money buys everything.

    19. Re:Helping Castro by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      there's plenty of countries that are ran worse than Cuba.

      some of them are pretty near Cuba as well, some of them in the middle east and so forth..

      If you seriously think Cuba is worse than Syria you're pretty unconventional or Burma and Laos for most part of their history - or even Sri Lanka. Cuba hasn't been doing wholesale genociding or discriminating at all, unlike many countries USA is giving war support.

      it's just the "OMG COMMIES on our doorstep" that kept it on the embargo...

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    20. Re:Helping Castro by risom · · Score: 2

      the situation in cuba only happened because of the USSR. an embargo made sense when the ussr was trying to smuggle nukes to cuba to use against us.

      The situation in cuba only happened because of the USA. The USSR had to smuggle in nukes to use against the USA because the USA had positioned nukes in Turkey, targeting Moskow. Doing the embargo against cuba was a move driven by domestic politics; it ignored cause and effect.

    21. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not trying to argue one way or the other for any specific law, but I'd like to point out that the question "will it hurt Americans?" is not a simple one, because very little in the world is black and white, and very little of it (cause and effect) is completely obvious.

      For example, when your neighbors are starving to death and you're not, you're not exactly in the safest position. If you make sure those around you have enough to eat, even at a cost to yourself, you suddenly have less risk of being attacked.

      Preventing Americans from being corrupt in foreign countries makes Americans more trustworthy, prevents foreign countries from getting pissed at us when we do something illegal in their territory, etc.

      Again, not saying any law is specifically one way or the other, just that it's more nuanced than trying to look at the immediate and obvious.

    22. Re:Helping Castro by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Well, it is an american embargo...as such what world view do you think I should take Mozambique?

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    23. Re:Helping Castro by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      How about Saudi Arabia ?
      What about China ?

      Actually... the list of US allies who have human rights records FAR worse than Cuba (including ongoing violations) is massive.
      Cuba isn't actually even in the top-10, it may not be in the top-50.

      The only reason you refuse to believe that is because they have a communist economy - which frankly has no BEARING on what their human rights record is. Capitalist human rights violators are NOT better.

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    24. Re:Helping Castro by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Except of course for the bit where the major share-holders in most US energy companies, indeed some of their largest investors, are Saudi royals.
      There's a reason the Bush family consider the Saudi royal family to be "members of the family".

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    25. Re:Helping Castro by rvw · · Score: 1

      I still think they are not as bad as some countries we consider allies

      And who would that be? I can only think of North Korea, who are worse than Cuba...

      Well how about Iraq, Chili, Iran, Saudi Arabia. I bet all of them have done much more bad stuff in the past, or at least comparable. And North Korea is not an ally!

    26. Re:Helping Castro by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      As far as I noticed, the embargo is making the people of Cuba even poorer. I doubt Castro family and cronies are much affected by it, money buys everything.

      Exactly. Ever notice that in the countries where starvation is rampant, the leaders are all still fat?

      I believe in the corrupting influence of prosperity. When the Cuban people (or any people) have nothing and nothing to look forward to, then they accept their lot. You have, in fact, what communism promotes - total financial equality. And, like pretty much every real-world communist worker's paradise, that means equally poor, except for the leaders, who aren't hurting at all.

      On the other hand, when money starts coming in and the guy next door can afford to get new seats for his '52 Chevy, people start to get discontented. They start pushing, and even in countries where the army routinely solves discontent with mass shootings, eventually things begin to erode.

      It's far more likely that the embargo helped keep Castro in power than that it hurt him. The greatest enemies of Cuban democracy appear to have been the Cubans who fled to the US and kept pressure on against lifting it.

    27. Re:Helping Castro by vinlud · · Score: 1

      The production cost of oil in SA is about 6-10 dollar, in Canada it is much higher due to the nature of oil extraction. The profit margin is much higher for the Saudis and its 100% staterun as well. It wouldnt suprise me if the net profit for the Saudis is higher then the Canadians

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    28. Re:Helping Castro by ruir · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the comments. It remembered me of the pyramid of the needs of maslow that I first heard about in faculty. I have lived in Africa 6 years, and the scenario is exactly the same, the elites oppress the people for their own profit, and 50 years down the road, the fault is still on the former settlers. Or "settlers" on the case of South Africa (you will have to have an idea of SA history to understand why I choose to use ").

    29. Re:Helping Castro by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Argentina, where the President just had someone assassinated?

      Pakistan, where there is still a major Taliban presence?

      Israel, which used calorie counts to calculate precisely how much food aid to allow through to Gaza to keep Palestinians in a borderline starvation situation? Food too calorific? Not allowed in.

    30. Re:Helping Castro by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The IRBMs also weren't at all smuggled - they were shipped there on the decks of freighters and installed in plain sight, there was no attempt to pretend that there weren't IRBMs being installed.

    31. Re: Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like in the US now! Well, except we tend to blame unions and illegal immigrants for it.

      Meanwhile the thieves at the top keep on being more equal than others.

    32. Re: Helping Castro by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Just like in the US now! Well, except we tend to blame unions and illegal immigrants for it.

      Meanwhile the thieves at the top keep on being more equal than others.

      Equality is for Communists. Bow before your Masters, peasant!

    33. Re:Helping Castro by mruizcamauer · · Score: 1

      It is more probable than the iranians assassinated him than the president, as much as I dislike her... But they certainly did not protect him. Big worlwide march to commemorate him and warn the govt, on oct 18th...

    34. Re:Helping Castro by mruizcamauer · · Score: 1

      I was referring to Argentina, I forgotto mention that

    35. Re:Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 1

      Countries worse then Cuba? Most Arab allies is a good start.

      Nope. False — because you can leave them.

      Cuba is a far better place to live than Saudi Arabia humans rights wise, to give one obvious example.

      Immigrating to Saudi Arabia is the proverbial light at the end of tunnel for many, even though there is no hope of citizenship for such immigrants. When the moronic Palestinians supported Saddam Hussein in 1990-ies, Saud's response was immediate deportation of them all — as a punishment.

      You would've called it "ethnic cleansing", if Israel did such a thing, and it was. But the point is, Saudi Arabia, for all its faults, is attractive to humans, whereas Cuba is a place to escape from. To risk lifeThe US has had close ties to countries and dictators far worse or equal to Cuba

      Yeah, why don't name them? "Informative" my behind...

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    36. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there was that time when they massacred own small farmers in order to steal their land. (They call it the "Lucha contra Bandidos".)

      But yeah, really no worse than lots of countries that are staunch US allies.

      Clearly the real crimes that earned them an embargo were seizing US property and cozying up with the USSR.

    37. Re:Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 1

      Argentina, where the President just had someone assassinated?

      Seriously??! Argentine, where a recently-elected President has just been publicly indicted over one assassination, is, in your opinion, worse than Cuba, where the decades-long dictator an his secret police have been assassinating and imprisoning hundreds for all of those decades — without any publicly-expressed disapproval?

      Pakistan, where there is still a major Taliban presence?

      So?..

      Israel [...] keep Palestinians in a borderline starvation situation?

      Is that why those Arabs — both in Gaza and in West Bank — live better, than Egyptians and Jordanians across their respective borders? Marrying a Gazan is a major win for a Egyptian bride.

      Yes, Israel, under whose "occupation" the population of the supposedly "borderline starved" Arabs is growing faster, than Israel's own (even among the Muslim Israelis), is certainly a nicer country than Cuba.

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    38. Re:Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 1

      I was referring to Argentina.

      Not a very nice country, but still in a completely different league from Cuba.

      Yes, they now have a major scandal with President accused of killing a prosecutor.

      Now, can you even imagine Fidel Castro being indicted in Cuba today? Or do you not think, Fidel has ordered enough assassinations during his decades of being the Dear Leader?

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    39. Re:Helping Castro by gtall · · Score: 1

      Nah, old Bolsheviks can't die, Lenin is alive and well...well embalmed...now we just call him Putin. Ever notice how Putin's a bit on the pasty side, he should be for a man over 150 years old.

    40. Re:Helping Castro by drew870mitchell · · Score: 1

      Thank you for pointing this out. Two points:

      1. There's still ~1/12 ish chance that your gasoline came from nearly all the way round the world in SA, which for a globally mostly fungible good that you can pull out of the ground almost anywhere depending how bad you want it, is something to marvel at for sure.

      2. Because of that same global market, US demand absolutely props up prices for the Saudis. So yeah, I pay $60/bbl for a Canadian extracted crude (expect that to go away BTW if the price *stays* at $60/bbl). That's one barrel that somebody in China or Japan wanted at $60, that they're not going to get, so they have to pay $60 to an exporter close to them, and so on, until SA is enriched after all.

    41. Re:Helping Castro by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Most European countries forbid bribery of foreign officials. As an example there's a recent case in the UK where two company directors have been convicted and sent to prison for bribing foreign officials.

    42. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. False — because you can leave them.

      I don't think that is anyone's standards except yours.

      You would've called it "ethnic cleansing", if Israel did such a thing, and it was.

      and both are staunch US allies, both have human rights records worse than Cuba, except by your made up defintions.

      Then we get to Mexico, another US ally, and trade partner. No one illegally leaving that country, or any other south American country we turned into a shithole. No one being ruthlessly slaughtered by violent cartels, no sir. The only diffrence is with mexico we actually send them back sometimes.

    43. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most pple I've met (including myself) that identify as Libertarians don't have a problem with free trade with Cuba, any more than with China or any other country. At the minimum, opening trade with Cuba would start to import capitalist and democratic values as well as a better standard of living for the people that, if anything, hasten the movement towards freedom in the country. Note that China has had to crack down on movements wanting freedom and democracy several times since they started opening their borders to trade and the outside influences that brings.

    44. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at China's record of human rights recently, or most of the Arab world? How about most of equatorial Africa?

    45. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuba confiscated assets belonging to US citizens and companies that were worth nearly $2 billion in 1962. That and Cuba's role in exporting Marxism to parts of Latin America and Africa were the reasons behind the embargo. Given that their sponsors for the last 60 years aren't doing so well due to low oil price and can't keep them afloat like they did in the past, keeping the embargo in place would have finally caused the Castro regime to implode. The recent actions by the US govt is essentially a bailout for a bunch of murderous thieves.

    46. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a certain point where it's pragmatic to admit, "They won." Depending on your point of view, you might believe that the regime took-over private enterprises and "stole" money decades ago. The people who were stolen from aren't getting it back. The dissidents who were jailed or murdered decades ago aren't getting their lives back. Those battles are lost. But maybe a page will be turned, maybe things will get better. Yep, it sucks, but we can't win 'em all.

      So, yep, they won, and sanctions are being lifted in hopes that it will be for the betterment of the current generation of citizens (supposedly). Oh, and some wealthy corporations will make a lot of money from the opportunities that open-up. This easing of sanctions wouldn't be happening if someone influential wasn't about to make a boatload of money off of this, right?

      Anyway, don't accuse private citizens of "helping the Castro regime". That money is peanuts. Your energy is better spent trying to find out what influential people (or corporations) have been preparing to make money off this whole thing. Inform us of THAT.

    47. Re: Helping Castro by the+gnat · · Score: 2

      Saudi Arabia also requires exit visas to leave the country - which can only be obtained with permission from your employer. For many foreign nationals in the country, a large fraction of whom are domestic servants, it is essentially impossible to leave as a result. It's made even worse by the fact that work visas are also specific to the employer, so they can't switch jobs either. This is a country that didn't even officially outlaw slavery until after Castro's revolution, but even so they've kept slavery in all but name. (Not even going to start on their sponsorship of Salafi Islamist nutters across the globe.)

      Besides, Cuba did finally allow foreign travel starting in 2013 (of course, most of its citizens are probably too poor to afford it, but the embargo certainly doesn't help). And we kept diplomatic relations and some commerce open with the Warsaw Pact at a time when they also restricted travel, which didn't stop their system from collapsing under its own weight.

    48. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it was Nixon opening doors to China the word was how good trade would be to help bring down barriers. When it was Cuba the word was trade finances the bad regime. That, however, never stopped us from trading with China or the Soviet Union. We could send all the wheat we wanted. Screw all the damn corrupt governments. Trade all you want with whomever you want.

    49. Re:Helping Castro by microbox · · Score: 1

      Obstinate rage didn't work for 50 years. Maybe trade will bring change -- it sure works that way in the rest of the world.

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    50. Re: Helping Castro by mi · · Score: 1

      Saudi Arabia also requires exit visas to leave the country

      You don't cite any sources, so I had to look things up myself. Yes, one needs an exit visa, but only if the leaving is permanent. Which means, you don't need it to escape a repressive regime. On the contrary, Saudi Arabia remain a very attractive destination for millions of people — and has the luxury of using deportation as punishment.

      which can only be obtained with permission from your employer

      Only if you weren't a citizen and entered the country in order to work in the first place.

      Cuba did finally allow foreign travel starting in 2013

      That — a citizen's ability to emigrate — was only one of the tell-tale signs.

      And we kept diplomatic relations and some commerce open with the Warsaw Pact

      Yes, and even, holding up our nose, with the USSR — because we had to. But in today's world few countries are as oppressive and bad for their own citizens as Cuba.

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    51. Re:Helping Castro by microbox · · Score: 1

      The USA has a long history of making friends with despicable regimes. As more despicable than Cuba, I'd put: Myanmar, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, Rwanda, and Cambodia. Arguably tied with Cuba would be: Honduras, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Kyrgyzstan, Kenya, and Uganda.

      Then, if you travel back in time, you have despicable regimes in Iran, Chile, and Argentina.

      Trade is ultimately for more powerful in making positive changes in these societies.

      My guess is that you come from the wingnut wing of the American political spectrum, and thus have a "four-legs-good, Cuba-bad" mentality.

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    52. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Argentina has an absolutely appalling history. You are a total idiot.

    53. Re:Helping Castro by belmolis · · Score: 1

      Israel has NEVER restricted the supply of staple foods to Gaza and presently imposes no restrictions whatever on the supply of food to Gaza. Nor do humanitarian organizations, such as the UN, not exactly Israel's best friend, say that the blockade has caused any humanitarian crisis in Gaza. In any case, were there restrictions on the transfer of supplies from Israel, the Gazans could get them via Egypt.

    54. Re:Helping Castro by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      You've been getting your history from Days of Future Past ... i.e. the revisionists.

      The side that wanted to USE the nukes was Cuba. The USSR wasn't comfortable with it.

    55. Re: Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in this regiÃn

    56. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saudi Arabia
      Nigeria
      Pakistan
      China
      Russia ....

    57. Re:Helping Castro by vilanye · · Score: 1

      You mean seizing mobsters property who were destroying the country?

      The US doesn't do that?

    58. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that most of that property was owned by mobsters don't you?

      It is not like the US doesn't sieze property in RICO cases, usually without due process.

      Don't forget that Cuba has one of the best hurricane disaster recovery teams and they lend them out willingly and even offered to help after Katrina.

    59. Re:Helping Castro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea that the Cuban people are poor is laughable.

      Sure there is some poverty but they are not all poor.

      I was in the Coast Guard in 1994 during a mass Cuban defection(which Castro allowed and encouraged) and many of the thousands of people we picked up were well dressed, spoke perfect English and obviously very well educated.

    60. Re:Helping Castro by isilrion · · Score: 1

      Countries worse then Cuba? Most Arab allies is a good start.

      Nope. False — because you can leave them.

      Well, given that Cubans can leave Cuba, I don't see your point.

  10. cuban 256mb openvz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where is, will pay

  11. So? by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 0

    Will the Cuban government allow that? Cuba is a communist nation

    So? After the US has totally sold themselves to the Communist thugs in Peking, I can't see see how this is objectionable...based on precedent.

  12. cuban doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people here are myopic. Also on the list is 'care of the elderly and disabled', ie, doctors and personal aides. Do you know how much it costs to fight cancer in the United States? Software is pennies compared to that.

    1. Re:cuban doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.
      Not only that, but they actually have very highly educated people and competent professionals in many areas. Some people left Cuba only to become millionaires elsewhere...

    2. Re:cuban doctors by ruir · · Score: 1

      Did they? Some were in foreign missions doing highly qualified medical field work for peanuts in nasty and/or poor countries, and did not leave/defect out of the fear of having family back home.

    3. Re:cuban doctors by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Cuba actually has one of the best health care systems in the world, for their income, and a pretty good system even without correcting for income. The New England Journal of Medicine had several articles about that. American doctors who go to Cuba rate them highly.

      They sent their doctors to Sweden for training. The Cubans established their own medical school, Escuela Latinoamericana de Medicina (ELAM), which is the largest medical school in the world and trains doctors from Latin America and all over the world -- including the U.S. Tuition is free, and they cover all costs, for students who agree to practice in medically underserved areas (including parts of the U.S.) when they graduate.

      Cuba has an infant mortality rate and life expectancy that compares favorably with the U.S., so they must be doing something right. The infant mortality and life expectancy is better than low-income parts of the U.S., like The Bronx, NY, or Louisville, KY, where people who can't afford to pay for health care are left to die after they spend all their money. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/1... They learn how to practice medicine without regularly using expensive equipment like CAT scans, which are actually overused (sometimes causing more harm than good) in the U.S.

      Cuban doctors have done some important medical research. For example, developed a couple of new vaccines for diseases of the undeveloped world, and they even supplied them to the U.S.

    4. Re:cuban doctors by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Did they? Some were in foreign missions doing highly qualified medical field work for peanuts in nasty and/or poor countries, and did not leave/defect out of the fear of having family back home.

      The U.S. probably has more doctors who are motivated primarily by money than anyplace else in the world.

      In Cuba, medical school is free. The government tells them that they will get a free education, and in exchange they will serve the people. There are a a lot of people in Cuba, and around the world, who are willing to accept that deal. They have students from low-income areas in the U.S., like The Bronx and Mississippi, who want to go back and serve the people they grew up with. There are doctors who actually want to serve in those foreign missions, helping patients who wouldn't get any care otherwise.

      Since medical school costs $250,000 in the U.S., a lot of people think the Cuban system is a pretty good deal.

      Any Cuban doctor could get in an inner tube, paddle to Florida, and start making $150,000 a year. (A neurologist in Canada could triple her income, to $3-400,000, by moving to the U.S.)

      Most of them don't. There actually are doctors who feel that their country gave them a free education, and they have an obligation to serve their country in return.

      There actually are doctors who want to serve people who need them, rather than make as much money as possible.

      I realize this is hard for an American to understand.

    5. Re:cuban doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They learn how to practice medicine without regularly using expensive equipment like CAT scans, which are actually overused (sometimes causing more harm than good) in the U.S.

      That's true of most doctors educated outside of the US where patient interviews and diagnosis is taught more than "hospital patient management". Putting someone through a battery of tests is easier than trying to figure out what is wrong and since the govt pays for the lion's share of it, there is no financial incentive to not to do them. Plus, they are also a CYA move.

    6. Re:cuban doctors by ruir · · Score: 1

      I realize it is hard to realize medical people eking out a life of 200-400 dollars/month in a mission in algeria and mozambique, while expats are doing qualified jobs earning between 10 to 50 times more, does not defect out of fear of not seeing the family back home anywhere, or worse, they being harmed. And if you think Cuba does not profit with their exploitation, you are very naive. We are not talking about rich people doing a sting out of their own good will. And I am not American, btw.

    7. Re:cuban doctors by nbauman · · Score: 1

      I realize it is hard to realize medical people eking out a life of 200-400 dollars/month in a mission in algeria and mozambique, while expats are doing qualified jobs earning between 10 to 50 times more, does not defect out of fear of not seeing the family back home anywhere, or worse, they being harmed. And if you think Cuba does not profit with their exploitation, you are very naive. We are not talking about rich people doing a sting out of their own good will. And I am not American, btw.

      Of course Cuba profits from this "exploitation," if you want to call it that, just as the American medical schools profit by the exploitation of charging American students $1-200,000 for their education, or American health insurance companies profit by the exploitation of skimming 20% off the top of every medical expense, or American pharmaceutical companies profit by the exploitation of charging asthma patients $100 for an inhaler that costs $10 anywhere else in the world.

      With the American embargo, this is one of the few ways Cuba can get hard currency.

      I would rather be Cuban doctor, treating patients in Algeria or Mozambique who would never get medical care otherwise, than an American soldier in Iraq killing whole families and destroying a country and killing 150,000 innocent people.

    8. Re:cuban doctors by ruir · · Score: 1

      Well me, too, but once again you are distorting the core of the discussion. Comparing rich doctors doing work pro bono and poor people being exploited is competing apples to oranges. And I won't say more, you are here for trolling than having a racional discussion.

  13. Although we have laptops, Cuba has by tgibson · · Score: 1

    these portable computers. Their programmers should be able to help you with your R:Base project.

  14. Europe by zmooc · · Score: 1

    LOL That's "funny". So as of 2015 it is easier to sell software from Cuba to the US than it is to sell software from the EU to the EU. Praise the lord....

    http://www.belastingdienst.nl/...

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    0x or or snor perron?!
  15. Homestead AFB Hurricane example of fast change by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    that no one expected: http://www.homestead.afrc.af.m...
    "For the individuals laying eyes on the base for the first time since the storm, reconciling what they were seeing seemed impossible.
    "Those things that have been a part of your life for so long, I guess you take for granted that they're always going to be there," said Mr. Tom Miller, currently with the 482nd Maintenance Squadron and during Hurricane Andrew was the electrical shop chief with the 482nd Maintenance Squadron as an Air Reserve Technician. Mr. Miller was living in Cutler Bay at the time of the hurricane and weathered the storm in St. Petersburg. He's been a member of the base since 1968.
    "The most vivid memories I have are when I first went back to where I lived and when I first went back to the base because that was where I lived and worked," he said. "Those are the things that you get some strength from, and then to come back and see that area was completely devastated, that really hits you. The devastation seemed insurmountable." ...
    For those who've seen both the before and after of the storm, 20 years means different things to different people. "Sometimes it feels like it was 200 years ago and then other times it feels like it was last week," said Miller. "When I came back on base after the storm, a place where I had worked for 20 years, I just thought, 'what's the answer for this?'; 'where do we even start?' We learned a big lesson: these things can change people's lives overnight. The base has come back, and I'm glad it did.""

    For another example, one week my mother was living in a nice house and was a smiling teenager. The next week, her home town looked like this due to WWII fighting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

    Or, as Howard Zinn said:
    http://www.thenation.com/artic...
    "In this awful world where the efforts of caring people often pale in comparison to what is done by those who have power, how do I manage to stay involved and seemingly happy?
    I am totally confident not that the world will get better, but that we should not give up the game before all the cards have been played. The metaphor is deliberate; life is a gamble. Not to play is to foreclose any chance of winning. To play, to act, is to create at least a possibility of changing the world.
    There is a tendency to think that what we see in the present moment will continue. We forget how often we have been astonished by the sudden crumbling of institutions, by extraordinary changes in people's thoughts, by unexpected eruptions of rebellion against tyrannies, by the quick collapse of systems of power that seemed invincible. ..."

    See also my other comment to a different story here on different sorts of existential societal risks and possible solutions: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    Humans these days have been so blessed with so much including a relatively mild climate the past few centuries compared to the past. It is only because of that blessing that our thoughts can focus on internal conflicts of human vs. human instead of the greater eternal conflict of human vs. a capricious environment. We need to invest more in dealing with such environmental existential risks.

    It is just foolish, even laughable, that the USA can, say, spend US$1 trillion a year or more on the US military including incurred future costs related to human political conflicts (many of which the USA helped create) while our infrastructure falls apart and we don't invest in, say, protecting our power grid from solar flares, or that we don't scale our medical systems to deal with possible pandemics, or we don't move to indoor or even underground agriculture faster to get it

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  16. enjoined? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

    enjoin - verb
    * instruct or urge (someone) to do something.
        "the code enjoined members to trade fairly"
        synonyms: urge, encourage, admonish, press; More

    * prescribe (an action or attitude) to be performed or adopted.
        "the charitable deeds enjoined on him by religion"

    LAW
    * prohibit someone from performing (a particular action) by issuing an injunction.
        synonyms: urge, encourage, admonish, press; instruct, direct, require, order, command, tell, call on, demand, charge; (formal)adjure; (literary)bid

    Stop trying to use big words to sound smart. Everyone knows you're just a halfwitted fuckwad.

  17. Russia - Cuba - USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia -> Cuba -> USA
    A disaster waiting to happen.