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Google Taking Over New TLDs
bobo the hobo writes: In the corner of the internet where people care about DNS, there is a bit of an uproar at Google's application for over a hundred new top-level domains, including .dev, .lol, .app, .blog, .cloud and .search. Their application includes statements such as: "By contrast, our application for the .blog TLD describes a new way of automatically linking new second level domains to blogs on our Blogger platform – this approach eliminates the need for any technical configuration on the part of the user and thus makes the domain name more user friendly." They also mention limiting usage of .dev to Google only: "Second-level domain names within the proposed gTLD are intended for registration and use by Google only, and domain names under the new gTLD will not be available to the general public for purchase, sale, or registration. As such, [Google's shell company] intends to apply for an exemption to the ICANN Registry Operator Code of Conduct as Google is intended to be the sole registrar and registrant."
it's for us only. we won't do any evil by hogging it.
DNS must be abolished to prevent it.
Google is just trying to bully the world for its own interest; not unusual at all. Now will ICANN put its foot down or will every other Fortune 500 company do the same thing and subvert the intention of the creation of new TLDs?
Google must be using .dev internally. This move is only to prevent others from confusing things.
If I need the web site of a church, I wouldn't try name-of-church.church, but I would just search for name-of-church in google. Who cares about the URL ?
I think their application for .dev to be Google-only highlights a major problem with a company like this having control over any TLDs: They intend to use their control to crowd out competitors in a monopolistic fashion. That no non-Google developer can register a .dev is akin to saying that if you don't work for Google you're not really a developer. The only TLD restriction I would be OK with Google having reserved entirely for personal use is .google - and even that I'd be wary of without concrete rule for revoking the exclusive use if a good reason comes up.
I think .dev should be like example.com: not able to register so DEVELOPERS (re: NOT GOOGLE) can use like, [mydomain].dev to develop, and not have to create wonky local host names.
Then again, just override and tell Google to bugger off. I do that with doubleclick.net
Why dev... developers are not exclusive to Google. dev is as generica a domain as you can get, hence TLD hence not google only.
I guess they are doing it because descriptive TLDs makes search a tiny little bit less necessary.
On the other hand search - or at least search that might deliver relevant results rather than the spam that Google delivers - would make DNS almost completely unnecessary
Google isn't likely to give us that kind of search. Ever.
Google Scholar notwithstanding.
.google, if they want a vanity plate! .ibm should be IBM and .coke should be Coke-Cola.
Just
If Google wants these TLD's all to itself, why not create them on its own VPN? If nobody else is to use them then there's no need to use internet TLD's in the first place? I just don't really get it.
I am watching the "new generation" use the internet/web browser. They don't do it the way we (I?) did. They have little concept of "url" or web site address. Any resource they access is entered into the ever-present search box or "magic combo url bar", as series of search terms or a common name. They rely on the (non-standartized but helpful) search subsystem (usually, Google, but not always) to bring them to the right place. Domain names with their formal fixed format are not part of their use pattern, and I don't expect that to change.
So, let it be .whatever.
Where would be the most visible and likely to be heard place to express disapproval over this policy?
My feeling has been that TLDs should be publicly available, not privately held...
when will the next competitor come to unset googles eventual strangle on the way to access and search websites. This move is BS and should not be allowed except as stated .google or a few other domains but they should be made available to the public.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
And soon or later, why wouldn't any larger organization apply for their own TLD:s? And how long until the rules are changed to allow organization names or product trademarks as TLD:s? Then everyone may just register <organization>, <product>, <whatever> as their domain. And some lucky gals or guys get "mail" (like mail.com before) and try to sell it to the highest bidder.
I don't see much advantage to this TLD proliferation.
If google is the sole registrar of all .blog domain names, then you never actually 'own' it.
While I understand the convenience aspect of it, the user cannot transfer it out and is forced to use Google Blogger, and ONLY Blogger. Despite the fact that there are thousands of ways to get a blog online.
On the topic of .dev: I also don't understand where they are coming from with the .dev TLD. I can see it being valuable to both developers and device makers. Why wouldn't they try to capitalize it instead of hog it to themselves?
Oh well, it was nice for the few milliseconds it lasted....
TLDs have always been a money making scheme for some. There is NO technical reason to have TLDs. And, yes, I do know what I'm talking about.
Now will ICANN put its foot down
It had better hope so, because giving entire TLDs to specific big companies could easily be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of the rest of the world accepting US-led administration of the general Internet. There's plenty of scepticism already, but organisations like ICANN are tolerated because frankly no-one has much of a better idea or wants to take on the responsibility. However, it is not difficult to think of a better idea than letting big businesses rewrite the established rules in arguably the most important address space in the world today for their own benefit.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
that the new TLDs were a stupid idea and the only reason they were implemented is that the beancounters are in charge instead of the car guys.
I might be guessing wrong here, but I'm thinking the primary intention of these new TLDs was to earn ICANN shitloads of money. It costs $185,000 just to apply for one, and $25,000/year to keep it.
Every Fortune 500 company doing the same thing would be a dream come true for them.
If I were an entity that had its own TLD, say .ebh, it would be nice if people could get to my site with the minimalist URL http://ebh. Is there any way to disambiguate a TLD from a nonqualified host name to make that possible?
what's evil? Railway rights will have more than one applicant and thus will go to auction. We're talking millions or even tens of millions of dollars. no "regular person" or small-medium business can play in that field anyway.
Google also got .prod for internal use only. This is pretty annoying since it caused tons of people this type of grief: http://serverfault.com/questions/626612/dns-just-started-resolving-my-server-prod-addresses-to-127-0-53-53
Uh ... NO! Hell NO!!!!!!
Special treatment is bad for the internet. Do we need registrar-neutrality too?
What about Baidu and special domains for other web companies?
Can I get .jdp? If the answer is no, then the answer to google much also be NO.
relay country TLDs, com net org info to icann, refuse to relay specific stuff like museum, edu, gov, mil (they can use country tlds, if they want) and open the new stuff like .dev .app for everyone, ignoring the monetized use in the icann dns.
not sure how new of a generation you mean but I see this every day from 6th - 12th graders.
Even when being explicitly told what to type and where most will end up at the wrong URL because they don't listen and think that search is the way to enter addresses.
.donoevil is now a fully Google controlled property.
10 year lease on each TLD. 9 years in each goes to public auction which determines the rate for the next 10 year lease.
> It's ridiculous and just makes it so that stupid people can do it [i.e. post opinions on the net] without having to understand anything.
The trouble with modern education was that now the illiterate can read and write ...
The trouble with the Internet is that now they can publish too.
ICANN should do all TLD's as UTF-32 Google can get their own combining diacritical mark that applies the property of googleness to whatever string of TLD characters they want to own (causing them to be rendered blue-red-yellow-blue-green-red) and no one has to complain about the ownership of 3-5 letter ASCII character strings in which multiple diverse collections of individuals feel previous emotional investment.
Please stop calling this entity Google:
https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e
Everytime you hear the word Google uttered please know it's a direct intelligence asset of the CIA.
Please rephrase the headline: "CIA taking over new tlds"
It's not like there all TLDs out there are totally open now.
Military, government and education tend to be locked down quite hard. (edu a little less so I believe)
Any others I am missing?
I hate the entire DNS as it is and think it should be permanently scrapped in favor of a system similar to usenet hierarchy, to be perfectly honest.
DNS is open to abuse at so many levels, both by companies and malicious owners.
Having the most important parts of the URL further in to the URL just makes it annoying and easy to screw with people that might only glance at the URL at best.
Gotta love that slashdot.org.story.com/15/02/28/1333231/
So many sites like this still exist even now. They were very popular with myspace URLs.
If it was the other way around, it would be far harder to screw people around.
Not only that, the usenet method is just generally just far tidier and easier to manage on a technical level.
Not going to happen until there is a massive change at a global level. To be honest, WW3 has more chance of happening next week.
It was to keep .dev out of the hands of Steve Ballmer!
The Infamous "Developers" Rant
Getting pretty sick and tired of this company acting like a complete asshole.
Oops! Mea culpa. Note to self: watch the video before you post it!
Really, the Infamous Steve Ballmer "Developers" Rant
When was the last time ICANN put its foot down? Hell when was the first?
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Hey somebody has to pay for the quarterly five star junkets and 3X government scale salaries. A lot of the 1099's are online.
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I got to pile on about this.
".dev, .lol, .app, .blog, .cloud and .search." .dev certainly has usefulness well beyond Google. ICANN should refuse this outright. .app? After the fight with Apple, let ICANN deny both of them. .cloud? See .dev for the explanation. .lol? More of the same. .search? Ask Yahoo, Microsoft, and Steve Wolfram about this. .blog? Remarkably tone deaf.
ICANN should specifically refuse not only Google, but any Google-related applicant.
Unimaginable. I'll be looking to file comments on these with the relevant parties.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
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If you are in control of the entire domain name space why wouldn't you just add that domain set to your own private DNS servers and call it a day? There is no need to make it public since a huge chunk of DNS queries are already handled by Google.
The question no one seems to be asking is why are companies allowed to apply for TLDs in the first place?
Sorry for the typo folks.
-Google
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Why don't we all standardize (on) something like namecoin and start using that?
Imagine a distributed DNS system, hostnames would be THE 'top level'. Google would just be http://google/, localization would be done on data sent from the browser.
Everyone would be able to call dibs on any domain and register it, registration might be done sorta like namecoin: there's a certain amount of computational resources that corresponds to having a top-level domain registered.
Sub-domains would be free to register as long as you update the NS record for the top level domain.
Just imagine: the first slashdotter who registers 'coward' can then register 'anonymous.coward' and 'nameless.coward'!
ISPs could cache all of the internet's top-level records and serve that to your modem.
No more TLD requirements for domain names, etc. (I'm looking at you, IEDR)
All TLDs in use right now would be registered before the network goes live and pointed to already existing name-servers for backwards compat.
I see absolutely no reason why we can not do this.
What?
Is there one anybody's ever heard of?
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